History vs. Cleopatra - Alex Gendler

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  • Опубликовано: 1 фев 2017
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    She was the most notorious woman in ancient history, a queen who enraptured not one but two of Rome’s greatest generals. But was she just a skilled seductress - or a great ruler in her own right? Alex Gendler puts this controversial figure on trial in History vs. Cleopatra.
    Lesson by Alex Gendler, animation by Brett Underhill.

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  • @Steph-vc9ks
    @Steph-vc9ks 7 лет назад +9088

    "why does that matter? why do people never talk about Caesar or Mark Anthony other affairs? And why do we assume she instigated the affairs? why is it everytime, powerful women always defined by their sexuality?"
    This man deserves a fucking medal

    • @parnashridas2498
      @parnashridas2498 3 года назад +144

      Exactly 🔥🔥

    • @mrhouse6886
      @mrhouse6886 3 года назад +38

      I get where your coming from but want to what convinced Rome to attack Cleopatra , Mark Anthony’s will where he willed all of Rome to her family who she had with Caesar who she also tried to get as the king/emperor of Rome . If that doesn’t screen she started it I don’t know what does

    • @Steph-vc9ks
      @Steph-vc9ks 3 года назад +313

      @@mrhouse6886 no offense but I had a stroke trying to read your comment

    • @mrhouse6886
      @mrhouse6886 3 года назад +72

      @@Steph-vc9ks sorry it was late a night when I wrote it

    • @potatosinnato1767
      @potatosinnato1767 3 года назад +6

      Xd

  • @thyanhnguyen5056
    @thyanhnguyen5056 3 года назад +3094

    Uh uh, Cleopatra didn't destroy two of Rome's finest generals. They destroyed themselves.

    • @renadnasr7091
      @renadnasr7091 2 года назад +36

      agreed

    • @footballworld-by1gt
      @footballworld-by1gt 2 года назад +23

      congratulations, we have a time traveler in the chat.

    • @infernieri
      @infernieri 2 года назад +89

      @@footballworld-by1gt congratulations, we have someone of appropriate historical knowledge in the chat

    • @heedo3655
      @heedo3655 2 года назад +1

      Yepp

    • @Ruefintheshark
      @Ruefintheshark 2 года назад +2

      You’re not wrong there

  • @birdthebird3396
    @birdthebird3396 3 года назад +9021

    It really sucks that people define her by her beauty alone, because she was easily one of history’s most interesting figures.

    • @lefishe6611
      @lefishe6611 3 года назад +94

      I'd still like to think she was smoking even if it isn't accurate

    • @V-q8is
      @V-q8is 3 года назад +116

      She was highly intelligent and that probably what made her so attractive. She probably wasn't a beauty, looking at the level of inbreeding that led to her. It's a wonder she was even functional, let alone intelligent, though.

    • @flower.1503
      @flower.1503 3 года назад +4

      1kth like!

    • @alejandrasofia5937
      @alejandrasofia5937 3 года назад +27

      she was very very very inteligent

    • @zebra.babes123
      @zebra.babes123 2 года назад +5

      Same. I love history, but if I’m given a time machine, I wouldn’t go there.

  • @lth9282
    @lth9282 5 лет назад +13333

    "She ruled jointly in Alexandria with her brother, to whom she was also married."
    *SWEET HOME ALABAMA*

  • @sage7432
    @sage7432 6 лет назад +13298

    Only thing we truly know was......
    Her Eyeshadow and eyeliner were
    *Flawless*

  • @NightmareSounds
    @NightmareSounds 6 лет назад +17719

    I've watched a documentary that explained that she wasn't physically beautiful but highly intelligent and that's what made so many attracted to her.

    • @peteyesco
      @peteyesco 6 лет назад +425

      Sarah Herndon that’s interesting. Would you happen to know the name of the documentary?

    • @SicYennefer
      @SicYennefer 6 лет назад +201

      I'd like to know it too, so if you could be so kind... :)

    • @RavenStillBeguiling
      @RavenStillBeguiling 6 лет назад +1092

      Those who wrote about her looks did so centuries after her death and they were contradicting. Cassius Dio said she was of "surpassing beauty" while Plutarch basically said her looks were nothing special. Both agree that she was charming and intelligent but who knows where they got their information from. You can see her face on coins that have survived from her time. I think the only thing we can say about her is she had a pretty big nose.

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 6 лет назад +117

      I don't know the late Ptolmaics were all pretty unstable, it's been suggested that there may have been rampant syphilis in the Ptolmaic royal family. That and inbreeding.

    • @aravintharavintharavinthar8927
      @aravintharavintharavinthar8927 6 лет назад +3

      Sarah Herndon

  • @ArowStone
    @ArowStone 6 лет назад +6713

    "we may never known the full truth but we can separate fact from rumor by putting history on trial"
    well said sir well said.

  • @ishitamehta8832
    @ishitamehta8832 4 года назад +7324

    History is unkind to women in power.

  • @ginkiba3
    @ginkiba3 7 лет назад +6789

    Cleopatra wasn't an idiot; Rome did the same exact thing with the Greek city states and Spain before by slowly incorporating them into their empire through diplomacy and war. She did whatever she could to keep Egypt autonomous and safe.

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 6 лет назад +83

      I would argue no she did not. Her empire was in decline she intentionally threw herself into roman politics full well knowing it would either hasten her empire's demise or restore it. It was a gamble. Egypt unlike so many who fought rome went out with a bang not whit a whimper.

    • @bear1497
      @bear1497 5 лет назад +158

      Fredrik Dunge no she needed Rome help because Egypt was in trouble its riches and well beings were starting to decline and Rome was becoming a monster. She knew if she could seduce someone in power that Rome and Egypt would become allies. And when she became pregnant with Cesar's baby that means she now had an aire to Egypt and could push him into Roman Politics and untie the countries but when Cesar died she needed another so she picked Antony because at the time he had more power than Octavian who was younger and Antony was easier to seduce

    • @yeehaw972
      @yeehaw972 5 лет назад +35

      @Bronx12345 JK You're a
      INCEEELL

    • @alinaumer7543
      @alinaumer7543 4 года назад

      Fredrik Dunge I agree

    • @dreabelle5820
      @dreabelle5820 4 года назад +9

      Cleopatra WAS Greek

  • @littletravelblog7589
    @littletravelblog7589 4 года назад +3282

    Cleopatra ruled Egypt well, that's the most important thing in my opinion.

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 4 года назад +13

      But she didn’t

    • @uria3679
      @uria3679 3 года назад +66

      Fire Striker I didn’t know that I would find a Octavian aka Trump supporter here😒

    • @adios5072
      @adios5072 3 года назад +42

      @@uria3679 so someone who doesn't agree with you is a trump supporter?

    • @sorandomandquirky9425
      @sorandomandquirky9425 3 года назад +15

      @@uria3679 Everyone who disagrees with you isn't a Trump Supporter you moron.

    • @blauwbeer556
      @blauwbeer556 3 года назад +23

      @@uria3679 aight 1st not everyone is a trump supporter just because they don't agree with you 2nd what is so bad about being a trump supporter? Tbf I have no idea what the guy has done but T H A T S H O U L D N O T M A T T E R, someone's political beliefs has nothing to do with the person him/her self. Especially if we are talking about history of Cleopatra, not current politics.

  • @nkc2666
    @nkc2666 5 лет назад +4308

    *Caution:* You may or may not have entered into a minefield of a comment section. Proceed carefully.

    • @NabPunk
      @NabPunk 5 лет назад +44

      it is most definitely a mine field, and there is no need to proceed at all.

    • @chartreuseraccoon162
      @chartreuseraccoon162 5 лет назад +13

      Why don’t we just get a mine detector before going in?

    • @jamie7713
      @jamie7713 4 года назад +92

      I find it fascinating that we can all argue about someone who's been dead for two millennia. Imagine having that much impact on the 🌎.

    • @SoulDuckling126
      @SoulDuckling126 4 года назад +2

      Proceed with caution

    • @pandabear1136
      @pandabear1136 4 года назад +4

      You watch Fairy Tail?

  • @yuriynavorynskyi4849
    @yuriynavorynskyi4849 6 лет назад +5198

    Greek and Egyptian mythology is fun to learn about.

    • @mewsingsbynatk
      @mewsingsbynatk 4 года назад +21

      I know!

    • @ishuika
      @ishuika 4 года назад +9

      Yup

    • @Noriccka1.
      @Noriccka1. 4 года назад +34

      She is Macedonian not Greek

    • @stephaniezhang9600
      @stephaniezhang9600 4 года назад +267

      This is historical, so technically not a myth.

    • @alexobl.6698
      @alexobl.6698 4 года назад +105

      @@Noriccka1. makedonia is an ancient greek tribe just like sparta so she was greek from the greek tribe makedonia
      Stop the propaganda.
      Even her name is greek
      Just like with alexander the great and his family

  • @binifarmer4045
    @binifarmer4045 7 лет назад +5328

    They forgot to mention that the reason the Octavian declared war on Egypt was because Anthony was originally married to Octavian's sister. With Anthony's affair with Cleopatra, he was basically commiting adultery and thus insulting the honor of Octavian's family.

    • @fabianhale845
      @fabianhale845 7 лет назад +412

      That’s not the reason, that’s the excuse Octavian needed to go to war.

    • @user-iw3fi9gx4e
      @user-iw3fi9gx4e 7 лет назад +123

      Octavian could marry his sister to whoever he wants, even to himself if he want. He is a monarch and the most powerfull person of the time, so probably he can marry to half or rome women, even the 5 years old ones, maybe men, horses, his throne, even Cleo maybe. I do not think that he would carry for his family honor. Maybe he just want even more power to marry the giza's pyramids.

    • @almasdancing
      @almasdancing 6 лет назад +87

      Bini Farmer They also forgot to mention that Cleopatra's Egypt was a rich and highly developed country and an empire has to conquer in order to exploit the resources of other countries. The rest are propaganda for popular consumption

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 6 лет назад +72

      The reason Octavian went after Cleopatra is that she proclaimed her son head of the house of Caesar and spirited him away to Egypt. It was essentially a power struggle in the power vacuum left by Gaius Julius Caesar.

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 6 лет назад +18

      +Alma shatri
      That hadn't really been true for a century. Egypt in Cleopatra's time had been in so many civil wars that it had spend more than half of the last century fighting. It's wealth was drained by half crazy Ptolmaic kings and queens fighting each other. Probably in part due to the fact that Syphilis ran rampant in their family.

  • @user-ek8gj2xs8u
    @user-ek8gj2xs8u 4 года назад +2278

    Here I am sad about what happened to Alexandrian Library.

    • @rizzamaeong
      @rizzamaeong 4 года назад +65

      same..
      big loss.

    • @voiceofneha7196
      @voiceofneha7196 4 года назад +14

      You're an introvert aren't you?

    • @Jz_jimnie
      @Jz_jimnie 4 года назад +4

      same..

    • @jasonf5856
      @jasonf5856 4 года назад +196

      Imagine how much more we would know about history and how they lived, thought, and so much more about their culture. Largest book collection in history till hundreds and hundreds of years later. Sad

    • @voiceofneha7196
      @voiceofneha7196 4 года назад +4

      @@jasonf5856 true..

  • @jamesrocket5616
    @jamesrocket5616 Год назад +339

    My grandma said "I don’t care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was Goku"

    • @cyrusthegreat7030
      @cyrusthegreat7030 Год назад +11

      Same

    • @guest6398
      @guest6398 Год назад +28

      My grandma claimed she *was* Cleopatra. Must be true.

    • @jamesrocket5616
      @jamesrocket5616 Год назад +4

      @@guest6398 Your highness

    • @bazhenapartos4303
      @bazhenapartos4303 11 месяцев назад +7

      My grandmother told me: “ I don’t care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra can be summoned as servant for Holy Grail Wars”
      So inspirational

    • @Murphy_Law
      @Murphy_Law 11 месяцев назад +8

      "I dont care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was Walter White"

  • @ThachNguyen-xn6zr
    @ThachNguyen-xn6zr 4 года назад +1794

    Fun Fact: Cleopatra was a pharaoh when she was only 18, the brother was 10.

    • @pancreaticcum2122
      @pancreaticcum2122 4 года назад +5

      InsaneHollie 🤭

    • @raawesome3851
      @raawesome3851 4 года назад +28

      Wait, what?

    • @reknaria9972
      @reknaria9972 4 года назад +17

      she was a queen not pharaoh

    • @ThachNguyen-xn6zr
      @ThachNguyen-xn6zr 4 года назад +82

      kerchouche rania Bruh shes a pharaoh not queen. The word Pharaoh is apart of Egypt not queen

    • @fabianhale845
      @fabianhale845 4 года назад +36

      @@ThachNguyen-xn6zr actually there were equivalents to queen: “Great royal wife,” “mistress of the two lands,” “female ruler”, etc. And as a Hellenistic ruler “basileia” was the title for a queen.

  • @muskanmodi724
    @muskanmodi724 3 года назад +664

    This one was awesome. Did a perfect job of narrating Cleopatra's achievements without overly sexualizing her or focussing on her affairs or seduction. I love narration like this

    • @shartstanker2086
      @shartstanker2086 2 года назад +7

      I mean if ceaser had to sleep with half of Europe to secure stability he would have done it too.

    • @pussydestroyer69285
      @pussydestroyer69285 2 года назад +1

      @@shartstanker2086 definitely

    • @muhammadabadi6410
      @muhammadabadi6410 2 года назад +10

      It was mediocre they glossed over a lot of the politics in Rome and the power struggle over Caesars death in favor of a “cleopatra was a strong independent women and thats why Rome hated her” angle

    • @amishasingh6227
      @amishasingh6227 Год назад +1

      Exactly perfect and so well ❤️❤️and giving the due respect to the person who deserved it all❤️❤️

    • @SirsasthNigam.
      @SirsasthNigam. 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@muhammadabadi6410 Its about Cleopatra not Ceaser

  • @JaguarBST
    @JaguarBST 7 лет назад +2041

    WTF happened to Egypt? was such an advanced civilization in ancient times.

    • @hossamallam8575
      @hossamallam8575 7 лет назад +88

      JaGuaR we bottled everything (i am Egyptian btw)

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +93

      Cat pooper 101
      Egypt was fucked by the Turks dude, the British had easy pickings. The Ottomans screwed you to the max. Egypt today is a worthless country - it can't even beat tiny Israel in war.

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +29

      Malik Ameen Don't you have some Coptic Christians to persecute or something, Malik?

    • @Rayan-bj8wn
      @Rayan-bj8wn 7 лет назад +154

      Europe happend.
      yep , they just kept on messing with em

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +88

      Malik Ameen
      90,000 Christians have been slaughtered in Iraq and Syria since 2011 dude. Don't forget the Yazidi genocide either.

  • @DevMoSofi
    @DevMoSofi 6 лет назад +2829

    Actually this Egyptian queen wasn't an Egyptian at all.

    • @DaDunge
      @DaDunge 6 лет назад +341

      Well technically she was, the term Egyptian comes from the greek term Aegyptos. It was called something entierly else in Egyptian.

    • @blitzkrieg2928
      @blitzkrieg2928 6 лет назад +74

      greek

    • @walabixha1746
      @walabixha1746 6 лет назад +461

      Mohamed Hasan she was born a raised in Egypt. Maybe she wasn't a native person of Egypt. But she considered herself Egyptian.

    • @aleksandarvil5718
      @aleksandarvil5718 5 лет назад +149

      Cleopatra's dynasty has originated from Macedonia.

    • @helenanilsson5666
      @helenanilsson5666 5 лет назад +563

      She was born in Egypt, lived in Egypt and ruled Egypt. I'd say she was about as Egyptian as any given president of the USA is American. None of them are *native* American, but we're not going to call Trump a German president now,. are we?

  • @takispapas9887
    @takispapas9887 4 года назад +645

    Cleopatra did not dress like a Pharaoh, but as a Greek queen. Look at the Egyptian coins of the period that depict her. Greek hairdo, tiara etc...

    • @skynyrdjesus
      @skynyrdjesus 3 года назад +115

      Well of course not. The entire Ptolemeic dynasty was decidedly Greek in styling, to the point where Cleopatra was the first in her lineage to learn to speak Egyptian. Cleopatra in Pharoic trappings is just a side effect of popular culture trying to condense 3000 years of history into an image that is something that is somehow distinctly Egyptian. That's why it's so strange to hear for the first time that Cleopatra lived closer to the moon landing than the building of the pyramids.

    • @dani0479
      @dani0479 3 года назад +6

      @@skynyrdjesus wait what? You’re right, it’s indeed weird.

    • @outis439-A
      @outis439-A 2 года назад +2

      @@skynyrdjesus No lots of them had traditional egyptian depictions look it up. And look up the rosetta stone too, has greek on it too

    • @gh-fr2wb
      @gh-fr2wb 2 года назад +2

      The Ptolemies were obsessed with the pharaohs, and they ruled Egypt as pharaohs, and the Egyptians called them the new pharaohs.

    • @takispapas9887
      @takispapas9887 2 года назад +14

      Yes but they did not talk, look or dress like the Egyptian Pharaohs. They brought the Greek culture with them, wich flourished in Egypt for almost a thousand years until the 7th century AD, when the Arabs conquered it. Especially Alexandria, was one of the top (greek) learning centres of antiquity with schools and philosophers and scientists, and of course its famous library, the wealthiest in ancient times.

  • @rupakaryal6204
    @rupakaryal6204 6 лет назад +522

    "Everybody knows nothing"
    My conclusion after reading 50 comments

  • @ojsimp14
    @ojsimp14 7 лет назад +1928

    I LOVE THESE "History Vs."

  • @dextermorgan47
    @dextermorgan47 Год назад +68

    my grandma said "I don’t care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was a tank."

  • @amanbashercahil
    @amanbashercahil 3 года назад +127

    "She ruled with her brother, to whom she was also married."
    Let's just pretend this never came up while watching with my sister, ahem!

    • @AVeryFilthyCasual
      @AVeryFilthyCasual 2 года назад +13

      That was rather commonplace back then, many pharoahs were married to family members, even some gods in their mythology were married to their siblings.

  • @ABC73086
    @ABC73086 7 лет назад +3889

    One day, History vs trump will be in tedEd

    • @TickedOffPriest
      @TickedOffPriest 7 лет назад +93

      Tk Eram I would watch that in a heartbeat.

    • @khorps4756
      @khorps4756 7 лет назад +11

      +Revanaught ahahahahahahahahahahaha "no good" are you kidding?

    • @avalencia9628
      @avalencia9628 7 лет назад +70

      +Khorps Yes, no good, mark my words, the US will stop being the top economic power by the end of Trump's presidency

    • @kintokisa
      @kintokisa 7 лет назад +59

      "He started WW III"
      "In a way, war is inevitable :v"

    • @MrCookie0510
      @MrCookie0510 7 лет назад +7

      it would have to be some time after him being the president, maybe six or ten years after, so everything he did while being the president could be seen in the pig picture and compared to other presidents after him.

  • @Mireiabalaguer
    @Mireiabalaguer 7 лет назад +178

    Pls we need a quality tv show about Cleopatra.

  • @Princeofzilch
    @Princeofzilch 4 года назад +414

    The present owes an apology to Cleopatra, for misunderstanding her.

    • @colejones6312
      @colejones6312 3 года назад +13

      No it doesn't. History is under no obligation to stand the test of time. It's not the fault of scholar's that she has faded as well.

    • @dani0479
      @dani0479 3 года назад +14

      @@colejones6312 we do. Imagine being in her shoes, you would also want to be understood by the annals of history.

    • @colejones6312
      @colejones6312 3 года назад +14

      @@dani0479 It doesn't mater what you want. It matters about what lasts and what's actually conclusive.

    • @Cybernaut551
      @Cybernaut551 3 года назад

      @@colejones6312 Fair point.

    • @TQM
      @TQM 2 года назад +3

      @@colejones6312 "Conclusive"? History is written by people with their own set of opinions and biases. To assume that it is always written accurately is extremely foolish, and only goes to show how poorly you understand history. It is absolutely the fault of the scholar when there are inaccuracies captured by their incompetency. Damn, imagine idolizing scholars to the point you think they are infallible. Idiotic.

  • @ilivetospiteothers9327
    @ilivetospiteothers9327 5 лет назад +147

    I did a report on her once. She's one of my favorite historic figure.

  • @amira3856
    @amira3856 7 лет назад +2769

    So is this a series?

    • @TEDEd
      @TEDEd  7 лет назад +181

      It is! We've covered:
      Napoleon: ruclips.net/video/8aq_gRfmjgY/видео.html
      Andrew Jackson: ruclips.net/video/gx5IyumKmDI/видео.html
      Columbus: ruclips.net/video/GD3dgiDreGc/видео.html
      Nixon: ruclips.net/video/MX_HYL6-0Co/видео.html
      Lenin: ruclips.net/video/9N8hsXQapjY/видео.html
      Genghis Khan: ruclips.net/video/Eq-Wk3YqeH4/видео.html
      Who should we cover next?

    • @deadinside7750
      @deadinside7750 7 лет назад +94

      TED-Ed Fidel Castro maybe (:

    • @Leon-le9cn
      @Leon-le9cn 7 лет назад +31

      Bismarck would be pretty nice

    • @hannibustoogfyrre6074
      @hannibustoogfyrre6074 7 лет назад +46

      TED-Ed
      history vs the guy who started the "we are number one" meme.

    • @pranaygoud6631
      @pranaygoud6631 7 лет назад +14

      che Guevara

  • @Ana-xt6ze
    @Ana-xt6ze 7 лет назад +2463

    Why did I even read these commentaries? Yes, it's true we know barely anything about Cleopatra's life because it was written years after her death by people who had no interest in making her sound cool. This video, however, is simply an alternative point of view, it's imagination trying to get rid of the unilateral side of the story that we all learn in school. Why are you all so quick at judging this point of view, but never bothered to ask if the history you learned is correct? I may be just another "stupid feminist", but it seems to me that, after all these years, you still can't even consider the thought that a woman might actually have been that powerful. This video isn't trying to convince you of anything, it's is simply wondering. What if Cleopatra's life was like that? Is it so impossible you can't even IMAGINE it?

    • @Ana-xt6ze
      @Ana-xt6ze 7 лет назад +96

      Liam Lee omg, this video isn't supposed to be accurate!!! It is simply WONDERING about a subject that historians don't have much data to analyze nor reliable sources (due to the fact that her description was made years after her death). No one's going to write this in children's history books, this video is not trying to prove that this is how it all happened, it's not an attempt to prove historians wrong. Maybe Cleopatra was cool, maybe she wasn't, who knows? This is just to remember us that we can't be sure.

    • @Ana-xt6ze
      @Ana-xt6ze 7 лет назад +116

      Liam Lee For the record, by "people who had no interest in making her sound cool" I meant Cleopatra's enemies, not modern historians.

    • @amber2372
      @amber2372 7 лет назад +49

      Lol, the video isn't supposed to be accurate? This isn't the movie Anastasia, this is a video presenting a historic "debate" about the popular reputation vs. the facts of historical figures, and it's stupid feminist bs instead. You're an idiot.

    • @Ana-xt6ze
      @Ana-xt6ze 7 лет назад +102

      + Amber Main Yes. A youtube video. It's so simportant that people should show it in big auditoriums, right? A youtube video. We should all change history books now because THIS video, wow, it changed everything, huh? Like you said, it's a debate. Not everything in there is accurate, the characters are simply interpreting facts in different ways and the video didn't state either side was right. In fact, it only says that we should try to see things from a different point of view once in a while. Those things said on the debate could be true and could be rubbish because, apparently people say a lot of crap in a debate. You calling me an idiot for no reason, for example, adds nothing to your argument and yet, you said it.

    • @Ana-xt6ze
      @Ana-xt6ze 7 лет назад +102

      +Liam Lee This is getting too repetitive, I give up. Just read my last comments or maybe watch the video again so you can finally understand the purpose of it because I'm running out of ways to explain it english. Here's my last shot: this video was simply a speculation, it wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything nor change history books.

  • @lianarose1384
    @lianarose1384 3 года назад +217

    Please do some videos on Indian Kings and Queens too! There are a lot to pick from and it would be amazing to watch from Ted-Ed as usual!

    • @ShreyaRao
      @ShreyaRao Год назад +1

      And if you're reading this Ted Ed, then Mughals are NOT Indian rulers. They are INVADERS who destroyed diversity and religions in then Bharat now India.

    • @alienspider3031
      @alienspider3031 10 месяцев назад +1

      Sounds dope

  • @anya4304
    @anya4304 3 года назад +46

    Thank you for this. I hated how movies portrayed her, no one appreciated her intelligence and what she accomplished in her lifetime and instead blamed war and everything on her looks.

    • @watching7721
      @watching7721 Год назад

      Mostly Octavian propaganda because having another civil war blatantly would have no support among the civil war weary Romans. Warring against a foreign ruler? Now that was something they were more okay with

  • @DeeckyRizzo
    @DeeckyRizzo 7 лет назад +955

    I loved it. One of my favorite TED-ed videos. I hope you can make one about Mexican old civilizations, like Mayans, Azteks, Olmecas, Zapotecas, etc. We Mexicans have a rich ancient history. :)

    • @carlosmontano8277
      @carlosmontano8277 6 лет назад +11

      no, that happened in the US, here those natives merged with the spains.
      my city is a combination of two cities.

    • @Azula04.EditVIDEOS
      @Azula04.EditVIDEOS 6 лет назад +1

      That will be nice...

    • @nosteponsnek2846
      @nosteponsnek2846 5 лет назад +2

      I know he's not Mexican by blood but he gave blood for it. How about Maximilian Ferdinand, the emperor of the Mexican empire. Its actually a quite sad story.

    • @msmadisonmiller1
      @msmadisonmiller1 5 лет назад +1

      DikoMan it doesn't matter who "stole" whose land. History is history.

    • @kainoateague8209
      @kainoateague8209 5 лет назад

      Oh id want to watch that one!

  • @tanmaysahoo7416
    @tanmaysahoo7416 7 лет назад +662

    Can you do a History vs Hitler?

    • @tushshubro
      @tushshubro 7 лет назад +21

      There is nothing grey with Hitler or Stalin unlike say Lenin or Nixon.

    • @Onneukbaar
      @Onneukbaar 7 лет назад +22

      Captain Obvious wtf is wrong with you

    • @tanmaysahoo7416
      @tanmaysahoo7416 7 лет назад +7

      The Fan is Broken! and The Squadron exactly guys. That's just what I wanted. To hear the points from both the sides. Thanks a lot :-)

    • @tanmaysahoo7416
      @tanmaysahoo7416 7 лет назад +10

      The Squadron History vs Genghis Khan is already there.

    • @emymagkuchen
      @emymagkuchen 7 лет назад +10

      you´re right that really matters next to being responsible for the death of tens of millions of peoples and a whole continent in shatters

  • @priztucker
    @priztucker Год назад +12

    Netflix controversy brought me BACK here 6 years later.

  • @zeynepbuyukkeser9637
    @zeynepbuyukkeser9637 2 года назад +32

    I love this history vs trial format. Being able to consider two different perspectives is cool

  • @cyrilgabriel8414
    @cyrilgabriel8414 6 лет назад +684

    I didn't know that Caesar and Cleopatra live on the same time

    • @narkisszosz.
      @narkisszosz. 4 года назад +31

      Cleopatra VII. Seventh Cleopatra.

    • @GP-qo6yz
      @GP-qo6yz 4 года назад +151

      Wow as a history professor this hurts my soul

    • @adityanawani8134
      @adityanawani8134 4 года назад +13

      100th like for your idiocy!😎😎😎

    • @chile_998
      @chile_998 4 года назад +1

      Cyril Gabriel lol same

    • @JH-wi2xr
      @JH-wi2xr 4 года назад +19

      They had a son too.

  • @CharlesDickens111
    @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +246

    If Cleo was Greek (white) why do you show her with Hamitic Egyptian brown skin?

    • @nikwolver8370
      @nikwolver8370 7 лет назад +126

      Because she wouldnt be 100% greek as most people are not 100% of one race

    • @_Gingermf_
      @_Gingermf_ 7 лет назад +76

      Charles Dickens she was both Greek and Egyptian, I believe.

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +34

      Ghassan Younis
      I live around Greeks - and they are pale. They tend to tan in the sun rather than freckle though.

    • @marie-lynnissa656
      @marie-lynnissa656 7 лет назад +105

      Charles Dickens it is still uncertain whether she was black or white. True, her great grandparents were all macedonian greeks but it is very possible that her grandfather and father had several egyptian concubines who gave birth to many kids of brown skintones. Unfortunately we cannot know what her real skin color is (not that it matters) because of the lack of evidence

    • @donaldrobins580
      @donaldrobins580 7 лет назад +26

      Charles Dickens her mother's race is questionable but I still say she's Greek. Obviously she is not a native African and she's only popular because she is considered white. Hatshepsut, Queen Tiye, and Ahmose-Nefetari are all much more impressive.

  • @irisforlife4953
    @irisforlife4953 5 лет назад +483

    *Cleopatra was the first beauty-guru. Fight me on that.*

  • @titoneogi5445
    @titoneogi5445 3 года назад +22

    No matter the way how Cleopetra was ...... I respect her at all ........ she had a most fascinating charecter

  • @theiaoftheheavens
    @theiaoftheheavens 7 лет назад +293

    She was brilliant actually, a woman too early for her time. Nevertheless, I am intrigued by the women of history. They wanted power to control their lives and harshly they took it because they knew they wished they weren't just pawns...

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +17

      She was not ahead of her time. There have always been queens. Some good, some okay, some psycho. Anyone with all that power can do stuff.

    • @theiaoftheheavens
      @theiaoftheheavens 7 лет назад +20

      Charles Dickens I know. That's why I thought that she is not alone in the world. And if you want a list of a few, you'll get it. There was Eleanor of Aquitaine, Sibylla of Jerusalem, Isabella of France, Margaret of Anjou who was known as the She Wolf of France due to her power and cunning knowledge, Nefertiti, Empress Catherine II of Russia who won the throne against her Emperor husband, Peter III Queen Regent Anne of Austria who regented for her son, the King of France, Empress Maria Theresa, Empress Matilda of England (I said England because she was married to the Holy Roman Emperor and she was the daughter of the English King.) Empress Wu who was the only female emperor of China, Isabella of Castille who ruled as the one of the Catholic Kings of Spain with her husband as an equal, Empress Elizabeth of Austria, Peter the Great's daughter, Queen Elizabeth I of England who defeated the Spanish Armada and reigned England greatly. Shall I go on to list people like Cleopatra, whom was queen and was ahead of her time like these women?

    • @AnastasiaNafpliocity
      @AnastasiaNafpliocity 7 лет назад +1

      Charles Dickens why are you in every comment section? WHO ARE YOU

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +14

      Kyliena Thea Alecster ???
      You misunderstand. They WERE NOT ahead of their time. They were of their time. If you're thinking feminism or something - don't. Being a female with power is NOT NEW. There were always queens. The Moche of ancient Peru was a matriarchy, perhaps the Minoans were too. If you are born a royal you have power. That is not being "ahead of their time".
      PS most of the queens you list were monsters - including Elizabeth I, whose idiotic policies led to centuries of wars in Britain.

    • @CharlesDickens111
      @CharlesDickens111 7 лет назад +6

      ***** I'm the greatest novelist of the 19th century. Who are you?

  • @DoctorWhoFan224
    @DoctorWhoFan224 7 лет назад +31

    I love this series, and I appreciate how TED-Ed deliver simple, intriguing, and beautiful videos. Keep up the great work!

  • @lucashyvarinen246
    @lucashyvarinen246 3 года назад +166

    pov: ur looking for all the mean comments everyone’s talking about

    • @MamtaSingh-il4lk
      @MamtaSingh-il4lk 3 года назад +9

      Found too many , now looking for good comments

    • @im.basmala
      @im.basmala 3 года назад +1

      nah

    • @mcoeif
      @mcoeif 4 месяца назад

      This lol. People just love feeling victimized.

  • @mohammedhasan9770
    @mohammedhasan9770 6 лет назад +23

    When a 4 minute video teaches you more than 4 weeks in school...smh... Ted literally saved my grades

  • @Trepur349
    @Trepur349 7 лет назад +12

    You should make more of these. It's my favourite series on this channel. Once every 11 months isn't enough.

  • @aaronsejas6442
    @aaronsejas6442 7 лет назад +1172

    Next should be Fidel Castro or Che Guevara

    • @TeTuIsCool
      @TeTuIsCool 7 лет назад +15

      oh god YESSS

    • @negrolegendario
      @negrolegendario 7 лет назад +33

      I can sense the triggering

    • @unclesnorker1970
      @unclesnorker1970 7 лет назад +3

      Yeah I have a feeling they would love the Commies.

    • @tdfern1
      @tdfern1 7 лет назад +5

      Aaron Sejas That would be interesting as Fidel Castro is now dead and his legacy as of now is still up for debate.

    • @aaronsejas6442
      @aaronsejas6442 7 лет назад

      Thomas Fernandez don't forget Che Guevara

  • @stratos7755
    @stratos7755 Год назад +11

    4:00 Tell this to the writers of Queen Cleopatra...

  • @kanhaibhatt913
    @kanhaibhatt913 Год назад +35

    Who's here after that horrific Netflix trailer ?

  • @VitorMadeira
    @VitorMadeira 7 лет назад +9

    Excellent! There are so many aspects of history and things that we take
    for granted that *need* to go on trial. Please continue with this
    series. Thank you.

  • @Baltican
    @Baltican 7 лет назад +373

    "We can separate fact from rumor, by interpreting history through our contemporary biases,"

    • @albertm7178
      @albertm7178 6 лет назад +28

      Raskolnikov we all have our biases lets be real here

    • @ernestoalbina4538
      @ernestoalbina4538 6 лет назад +1

      Your name... 'Crime and Punishment'?

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 6 лет назад +1

      You deserve *top* comment.

  • @atlas6925
    @atlas6925 6 лет назад +5

    Gosh I've been meaning to watch you guys and now my recommendations are blowing up with you guys and I love it : ) I've been binge watching so I shall continue ♥️

  • @salmasaeed910
    @salmasaeed910 4 года назад +11

    The way you are telling us the story about Cleopatra is just gorgeous 😍😍😍 I love it💗💗

  • @Umirua
    @Umirua 7 лет назад +242

    As it was said there's not much we know on Cleopatra as much as we'd like to. So there wasn't much of debate here.
    Maybe a History vs. Margaret Thatcher is due

    • @Taylor-oq3gf
      @Taylor-oq3gf 5 лет назад +5

      The_Pyromancer that’d be an interesting one

  • @brandonhernandez371
    @brandonhernandez371 7 лет назад +404

    history vs augustus (Octavian) please

    • @hydernoori146
      @hydernoori146 6 лет назад +6

      now THAT is one amazing S.O.B :)

    • @TheGreatFace
      @TheGreatFace 6 лет назад +9

      I think it'll make more sense to do a history vs. Julius Ceaser because Julius Ceaser did more questionable things then Augustus. Like cut a bunch of hands of Gauls in a city.

    • @hochmeister5852
      @hochmeister5852 6 лет назад +3

      I want one for both. I LOVE studying about the two of them .theyre two of my favorite people from history besides belisarius and Justinian

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 6 лет назад +1

      And the fact that Julius Caesar has been used as lessons against populism and big man, which would work if not for the fact that many of them Roman Republic in romantic light without considering their classism and opposed reforms (including Caesar's ideas) to alleviate it.
      Like Orson Welles' portrayal of the jealous nobles as liberators against proto-fascism, usual conflation him to demagogues (Trump and Sanders, but more on former) ignoring Caesar's statesmanship and military brilliance, and Assassin's Creed Origin making him as not!Trump ignoring his more complex personality that would make the game more interesting (is Caesar a reformer? a opportunist? or a flawed anti-hero?).

    • @KyoushaPumpItUp
      @KyoushaPumpItUp 6 лет назад +6

      It's recently uploaded. You should be happy.

  • @Abishek_Muthian
    @Abishek_Muthian 5 лет назад +3

    This format is excellent, do more of the versus videos in court setup to learn arguments from different angles.

  • @alyssalelis1084
    @alyssalelis1084 5 лет назад +3

    I love these videos! They help me put things in perspective.

  • @bensondavido4525
    @bensondavido4525 7 лет назад +1203

    "Why are only powerful women defined by their sexuality?" I play Blue Eyes White Bill Clinton card! and move my Caligula trap card into defense position!

    • @person2.022
      @person2.022 7 лет назад +41

      I somehow loved this comment as soon as I read it, but it took me a minute to realize why...

    • @willashley23
      @willashley23 7 лет назад +110

      That is so wrong! You don't put trap cards in defense position!

    • @Diana-mu7pc
      @Diana-mu7pc 7 лет назад +24

      Well Clinton got impeached for one of his affairs, so I'd say it's the exception the proves the rule.

    • @bensondavido4525
      @bensondavido4525 7 лет назад +23

      Diana Burke except for John f. Kennedy, or Caligula, or Anthony Wiener, or John Edwards or Bill Cosby, or a whole host of powerful dudes.

    • @bensondavido4525
      @bensondavido4525 7 лет назад +5

      Diana Burke defined by what theu did wrongly, or right with their penises. Fyi I dont mean any disrespect I just want to have an open honest reasonable conversation.

  • @chaseism
    @chaseism 7 лет назад +3

    Hope you guys can do more of these!

  • @NR1232
    @NR1232 6 лет назад

    Glad I stumbled upon these videos! Love the set up 🙌🏼

  • @rachelbutcher7943
    @rachelbutcher7943 6 лет назад +4

    This is GREAT! Please do more Rome-related stuff! Augustus, Nero, Caligula etc

  • @ryand8548
    @ryand8548 7 лет назад +12

    finally it's been awhile since I see history versus.

  • @rafacqz
    @rafacqz 7 лет назад +3

    I missed those videos! Great as always!

  • @YogiAmy
    @YogiAmy 6 лет назад +6

    I wish they were more animated history videos about cleopatra this was great!

  • @CecilliaNguyen
    @CecilliaNguyen Год назад +2

    Thank you! I’ve learned so much from this vid

  • @karimabbas1625
    @karimabbas1625 7 лет назад +5

    Really a fascinating way to teach history
    You guys bring it to life

  • @jinhunterslay1638
    @jinhunterslay1638 7 лет назад +160

    I wonder if there will ever be a "History vs Oda Nobunaga".
    That would be interesting.

    • @jamie7713
      @jamie7713 4 года назад +6

      Attempting to explain anything as complicated as this in 5 min. can only be done if you inject a large amount of bias. So, hopefully not.

    • @ultimatebishoujo29
      @ultimatebishoujo29 3 года назад

      I’d love to see that

    • @linhhoang1363
      @linhhoang1363 3 года назад

      Who is Oda Nobunaga?

    • @jinhunterslay1638
      @jinhunterslay1638 3 года назад +8

      ​@@linhhoang1363 Long story short, a significant war lord who came close to unifying Japan (which was achieved by his successor). He's sort of portrayed as a Darth Vader figure today. People admire his leadership skills, smart military tactics, and openness to foreign culture, but no one can deny his ruthlessness and cruelty in his campaign in expanding his territory. One of his most infamous acts was the mass slaughtering of Buddhist rebels, including women and children

    • @Hyyacinth
      @Hyyacinth 2 года назад

      I'd watch that in a heartbeat

  • @angelwilliams3048
    @angelwilliams3048 6 лет назад

    Amazing!!! Every second of this video just made my day!

  • @SILK97
    @SILK97 6 лет назад +1

    My favorite series pls bring back!!!

  • @eder22821
    @eder22821 7 лет назад +3

    This is such a good series, great job

  • @wandakay7660
    @wandakay7660 7 лет назад +4

    I love watching these! I love learning about history and these short videos are such attention getters. I can't stop watching

    • @history-edits315
      @history-edits315 2 года назад

      this video is not a good way to learn about history go read Plutarch's lives

  • @asdfghjkllila8231
    @asdfghjkllila8231 5 лет назад +31

    3:08 he went off

  • @theCoolLew
    @theCoolLew Год назад

    I really enjoy these vs. History videos.

  • @Handalmyglitterpuke
    @Handalmyglitterpuke 7 лет назад +15

    I love these series the most! So fun and interesting to watch 💕

  • @TheStevenChannel
    @TheStevenChannel Год назад +19

    CLEOPATRA was a Greek.

  • @PaolaGuell
    @PaolaGuell 3 месяца назад +1

    this was such a cool concept omg

  • @asmahappy6373
    @asmahappy6373 6 лет назад +1

    I want your riddles back. I miss your riddles.

  • @brandonhernandez371
    @brandonhernandez371 7 лет назад +1437

    Octavian NEVER declared himself emperor lol more like first citizen

    • @anarquia201
      @anarquia201 7 лет назад +96

      he declare himself imperator and ceasar

    • @brandonhernandez371
      @brandonhernandez371 7 лет назад +49

      anarquia201 yes he declared himself Ceasar but that was just his name he declared himself the son of Ceasar and took his name only later did Ceasar equal ruler and he never declared himself emperor

    • @brandonhernandez371
      @brandonhernandez371 7 лет назад +3

      Mia Raeh and a genius

    • @samimas4343
      @samimas4343 7 лет назад +22

      Brandon Hernandez and Gaddafi said he was a mere citizen, a witness to the revolution, but he ruled like a maniac dictator king and had his sons lining up to rule after him. It's what you do not what you say that matters.
      Trump says he is going to make America great again, but .... we'll see.

    • @brandonhernandez371
      @brandonhernandez371 7 лет назад +46

      please don't talk about trump ok we're talking of great men in this thread

  • @tariq2001saleh
    @tariq2001saleh 6 лет назад +6

    History vs "Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror". As a Ted-Ed addict I would really appreciate Ted-ed embracing their alacrity to entertain the world by creating this video for their young follower. Really extraordinary channel 👍🏻

  • @pinkteddybear9803
    @pinkteddybear9803 6 лет назад +1

    i LOVE your channel and so does my sister :) Thank you soo much for making really nice and educational videos!

  • @MWM-dj6dn
    @MWM-dj6dn Год назад +1

    Thank you .. Thank you .. with all the beautiful words and sincere feelings on your esteemed channel, which provides useful, accurate and useful information. I wish you lasting success. I am writing to you from the city of Baghdad. I wish you all the best. God bless you

  • @mariichan3337
    @mariichan3337 7 лет назад +9

    It's because of videos like these that I can't sleep at night. I keep watching them cause they're on auto play and they are so cool -- awesome video 👍👍 love stuff about Cleopatra, I watched a documentary on her and one of the things she did to get to Caesar was to hide in a carpet while two men carried her to him -- baring in mind the weather would've been scorching and the carpet would've been keeping it in -- great video, I liked that you put history on trial 😊🙌

  • @cuttlefishonfire7502
    @cuttlefishonfire7502 6 лет назад +316

    Why did they make her look Egyptian? She was Greek

    • @michelsindaha
      @michelsindaha 5 лет назад +101

      Her ancestors, around 13 generations before were Greek. She was probably quite Egyptian.

    • @faith1034
      @faith1034 5 лет назад +133

      Michel Sindaha Her family typically intermarried or married off to Greek nobles. They tried very hard to separate themselves from the Egyptians they ruled. I believe she was the first ruler who actually bothered to speak Egyptian.

    • @fabianhale845
      @fabianhale845 5 лет назад +72

      +Michel sindaha That still makes her Greek. The Ptolemies married amongst each other and other Hellenistic kingdoms.

    • @SpookyMarine
      @SpookyMarine 5 лет назад +7

      Alice Lafler-Austern Plus it’s more fitting since you know... she’s the Queen of Egypt.

    • @ceciliagamarra3278
      @ceciliagamarra3278 4 года назад +2

      Wakanda...

  • @kinggymsrepublic3540
    @kinggymsrepublic3540 6 лет назад

    I'm learning a lot without getting bored. Very nice videos

  • @brittanydavis4546
    @brittanydavis4546 5 лет назад

    I love this video. I see there wasn't that much debating but i can the points they made in the video.

  • @Alice-nl4wq
    @Alice-nl4wq 7 лет назад +11

    You should do one of these about Anne Boleyn

  • @wtc2564
    @wtc2564 6 лет назад +3

    i would love to see more "history on trial" videos

  • @bloodmooncomix457
    @bloodmooncomix457 3 года назад +1

    You condensed that complex ordeal and history into comic book form..... Nicely done! 👊😎

  • @lostrawberryjimin623
    @lostrawberryjimin623 5 лет назад

    Loved these videos! History is my favorite!!!

  • @damiairis4344
    @damiairis4344 11 месяцев назад +5

    I’m not sure any modern rulers would have survived as long as Cleopatra did. She lived in a very turbulent time.

  • @Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin
    @Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin 4 года назад +22

    -Cleopatra's family line is mostly Greek, Egyptian might have mixed in but not too significantly
    -Cleopatra ruled Egypt about 250 years after a Hellenistic line took over the country and though not outright replacing Egyptian culture slowly introduced more and more Greek elements into it over time
    -Almost all artwork of the time, from sculptures to coins, showed her looking very Mediterranean, and often sporting curly hair in a bun instead of Egyptian bangs
    So why does every medium draw Hatshepsut and call her Cleopatra?

    • @yolverilmisyolsuz9873
      @yolverilmisyolsuz9873 2 года назад

      Nothern macedons are tend to show high percentages of genetic similarity with eastern slavs.

    • @willfakaroni5808
      @willfakaroni5808 Год назад

      @@yolverilmisyolsuz9873 not 2,000 years ago, besides modern macedon shares barely any borders with ancient macedon

  • @OctaviusAzura
    @OctaviusAzura 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks! This put me back on track with how I see the history of this after the fiasco that is AC Origins..

  • @-watershimmer-7201
    @-watershimmer-7201 4 года назад

    Your video’s are so educational ,successful and amazing 😉

  • @daltongoh9062
    @daltongoh9062 5 лет назад +279

    Historical equivalent of:
    “All women are queens!”
    “NO THEY ARE *THOOOOOOOOOOTS* “

    • @ketchup146
      @ketchup146 4 года назад +19

      My gosh, you got the vine wrong

    • @tommyperez6383
      @tommyperez6383 4 года назад

      Dang

    • @kyu-qx1ew
      @kyu-qx1ew 4 года назад +3

      Simp

    • @gingerale2131
      @gingerale2131 4 года назад +9

      Correction:
      All women are queens
      If she breathes *she’s a thot!!*

    • @Rococo9202
      @Rococo9202 4 года назад +5

      @@gingerale2131 yikes the amount of likes this comment got just shows how this world hates women.

  • @DUNDOM5
    @DUNDOM5 3 года назад +14

    Fun fact: Cleopatra the VII was white and not brown. She was of macedonian/greek descent.

  • @galleryg998
    @galleryg998 5 лет назад

    Good video, interesting and fascinating, a clear and fair account, thank you!

  • @sucpia7374
    @sucpia7374 6 лет назад

    WHY AM I SO OBESS WITH HISTORY I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL SO BAD THAT I WANNA SKIP SCHOOL TO WATCH YOUR CHANNEL EVERY SINGLE DAY

  • @lokearias1672
    @lokearias1672 5 лет назад +82

    if there were gods during this time, ra would look at zeus and say '' dont look at me man''

    • @ZAH33D
      @ZAH33D 4 года назад +17

      As always Zeus wouldn't be able to keep it in his pants.

    • @ultimatebishoujo29
      @ultimatebishoujo29 3 года назад +3

      @@ZAH33D definitely

  • @TomAndersonn
    @TomAndersonn Год назад +5

    "I don't care what they told you in school"

  • @rishithamamidala7448
    @rishithamamidala7448 3 года назад +1

    Hats off to your creativity 👏👏

  • @theduke6174
    @theduke6174 Год назад +13

    "Cleopatra comes from a Greek family"
    Proceeds to portray her as a dark skinned Egyptian

    • @thenablade858
      @thenablade858 4 месяца назад +1

      She is very obviously tanned. Both the judge and other side characters are much darker than her. As for Cleopatra herself, this is just the recognizable Hollywood portrayal of her. Although she did portray herself as an embodiment of Isis (the Goddess, not the terrorist group).

    • @maarekstele2998
      @maarekstele2998 3 месяца назад +1

      You mean a Greek family that was in Egypt for like 7 generations got tan?!!?! Oh the horror