Its amazing that the MAN engine makes lots of hp at low RPMs. Be interesting to see fuel consumption compared to that 9620 RX with a Cummins QSX engine. It’s likely coming down the pipe! Good video Mike! All the best as your all busy seeding! I hope you get some rain! Which we could send you some from Southern Manitoba!
Hi Mike, I’m from Germany and it’s so nice to see this big machine on the work! My dream is, that I can come to Canada to work on a farm Cheers from Germany 🇩🇪
@@tdwebste my experience are drilling, cultivating etc. but I work only in my holidays and in my free time because I’m a student 😅. But I have only one year and than I’m already done with the school and I hope my dream will be true…
@@carlmeyerpiening4079 I don't know the best way to reach out but there is farmers hiring. Having basic mechanics skill helps catch problems before they become serious. There is ads in local farming papers from time to time. Not sure the best way to reach out from abroad maybe someone else can help.
I think the biggest difference I noticed is that you were just... sitting there? Unlike before in the RX, you had to keep watching the RPM, shift as if you're in a drag race, and yell at the tractor so it would shift faster lol
@@LukaArtelj on the contrary, I called it MAN in Marktoberdorf, Germany and was corrected right there on the spot by German engineers saying its "pronounced M.A.N." I was like "oh, ok then." So I ll stick to what they tell me 😆
@@andreasthoben4645 Yes, Fendt was. They sold out to Agco in 1997. Financial troubles caused Fendt to sell. Same thing happened to Massey Ferguson. Agco bought them in 1993. And Valtra in 2002....Fiat Bought New Holland in 1993 and bought Case in 1999. All of those companies had Financial problems and sold.
@@farmerjohnson8121 Fendt was not in financial trouble in 1997 but the younger family members did not want to continue the company. Maybe because Fendt was several times in financial trouble in it's history. There were many ups and downs and many competitors (worldwide) disappeared over the years.
Mike!! That back window has been dirty since it was brand new, that's not like you....haha. Just giving you a hard time. I check your channel several times a day waiting for your newest video, love your channel and all of your crew!! Thanks for the great entertainment!!
HI Mike, This is the HP man again. I enjoy your testing of the tractors. The1167 is hanging right in there. At this time the 1167 is using 400HP @ 20 gals an hour. Can't wait for the very steep hills. Good luck for this year seeding!!
You are giving it fare test. Another thing to consider the Fendt is still relatively new. The engine is not broke in yet and not giving you 100% yet. Still a little stiff
I would really have liked to see a fuel consumption comparison between them. If you set the implement width on the fendt screen it will give your gallons per acre and that's the number that counts when it comes to fuel. Our 930 seeds at 0.32 gal/acre,
Nice to see someone out in the field. Down here in south eastern North Dakota haven’t turned a wheel yet it’s so wet and rains every other day. Talk about stress ☹️😩
Superb seeing these 2 setups side-by-side. The Fendt seems to be doing a (boringly) good job. How much of a deal is it over a season having to refuel more often with a 400gal instead of the 450gal on the Deere? I get they both average 20gal/hr so the Deere is going to get 2+ more work hours between refuel stops. But as others have commented, surely gal/acre is the more useful figure.
I think what he's getting at is fuel use per acre is not a big cost (compared to everything else needed to grow a crop), while having to make an extra fuel stop really messes up their logistics
Interesting. I've been pleasantly surprised by the 1167 since you did that first drag race.I'd been led to believe CVT transmissions are mostly worse in fuel efficiency and power losses. I'm still not sure what the truth is regarding fuel economy. I found it's nebraska test results recently.If i'm reading it right,compared to the Deere it seems to have slightly *better * fuel economy under load. Of course it gets complicated because the tests cant make everything exactly equal. They manually chose a gear for the Deere in the test. Meanwhile the Fendt may or may not have been at it's most efficient speed .CVTs have several points in their range where efficiency is at maximum.They could have tested the Fendt right at it's sweet spot. Either way it seems the 1167 is very close in performance and economy to manual trans tractors.Well done Fendt
Here in Europe the CVT’s are more economic in fuel than power shift gearbox or other. It’s because we have small fields and we make a lot of transport with trailers or also a lot of road between the fields. We have to adapt the velocity of the machine constantly and also to change frontward and backward a lot of time in the day. And also we don’t work with the full power of the tractor in the wheels very often. We see the efficiency of CVT with the constant rpm of engine, always at the top of efficiency of the engine. In our work condition, it’s better to have a part of hydrostatic in the gearbox than to shift all the time. But if I would have so big fields like in Canada, and I would need to pull a drill with all the power of the engine with a constant velocity all the day, I would not choose a CVT
At Nebraska test every tractor is tested at different speeds and gears (if available). The test shows pretty good where a tractor has it's best efficency. A really extreme example is the Case IH Puma 150. It's CVT changes the ranges between 13 and 14 kph and the second range is very inefficient at that speed: At 13 kph the tractor consumes 280g fuel per kW and at 14 kph it's 370g / kW while the drawbar hp decreases from 116 to 101. Fendt's CVTs work differently. Their efficiency is much more even. Powershift transmissions' efficiency varies depending on the gear.
John Deere has a terrible transmission for changing from dead stop to 12 th gear hate how slow they are drives you crazy when pulling a grain cart. And you always have t start out low gear
Mike, thanks for the videos, great, the horse power issue is interesting. But with the world in a bit of a mess, Ukraine, climate, food production top of the list for most of us. Thank you and your team and all the farmers trying to plant your crops to keep US ( humans) fed. Most people just do not realise how important your hard work, investment and long hours are to our safety and well being. We are getting close to the wire.
Looking forward to seeing if you can make a full day on a tank Mike. 20×20 is 400, so if you're burning 20 gallons per hour you should be able to make 18 hours with 40 gallons to spare - but that is cutting it pretty close, running 90% of the fuel out!
It must be nice to have tracks. Here in western australia i have a 9520r on a 48 foot bar and average between 8-15 percent slip the whole time. Extra traction is needed. This is with 800mm wide duals
It’s performing pretty dang good lol. It didn’t make it 24 hours before the mechanic had to do a service call and 2 videos ago it stopped in the middle of the field and wouldn’t move. Does pretty dang good mean something different in Canada than it does in America?
Hey Mike, I had a discussion with a student who studies mechanical engineering and has written a thesis on power split tractor transmissions. And he says that the new gearbox what the 9er, 1000er and also the MT has inside are around 92% efficiency in the perfect working range. a manual transmission such as an e23 transmission has around 93-94% efficiency in the perfect working range but exact data have only the manufacturers and they do not give them out. that CVTs are so much worse than manual transmissions is now only a rumor. they have caught up pretty well. He says that when people say that a weaker tractor but with a mechanical transmission would pull better that is purely psychological. if you measured the drawbar performance you would find that the 1050 pulls better than a 450hp tractor. And what I wonder is do your machines have RTK?? if so do you do that via mobile data?? what provider do you have for the RTK signal and how much does that cost you per year per machine?
What matters is the efficiency of the whole machine. It's pretty simple to compare by looking up Nebraska tests. There, tractors get tested under the same conditions. I did that with several machines. The 1050 has nearly the same drawbar power as a NH T9.560 or a Steiger 480, which are comparable in their engine hp. A John Deere 8R 410 with e23 has 440 hp and does not reach the drawbar power of a 1050. It's more comparable to a 1042 or a 1046. The JD needs less DEF but a bit more diesel. So the 1050 or generally the combination of VarioDrive and MAN engine seems to be pretty efficient, especially for a CVT.
I'm hearing this more often nowadays.You're right- there's no doubt CVTs can be efficient at certain speeds. In the 1167's case it looks like they set it up quite well to be efficient at drill pulling speeds
@@melvd3484 Have you compared the Nebraska tests for the 1167 and 9RX? From my reading of it, it seems the 1167 has slightly better fuel economy for a given load. I dont _think_ i read it wrong, but slightly unsure
@@ronchappel4812 I compared them some time ago. The 9RX has 38 hp more maximum drawbar power, but under ca. 4.5 mph the 1167 MT gets more power to the ground. And the Fendt takes less fuel, 17.29 Hp.hr/gal while the Deere 16.69 Hp.hr/gal. The Deere is way better at DEF consumption. By the way, Fendt makes no secret out of that the power the 1167 MT puts out to the transmission, is limited to 620 hp.
LOL I think Mike was a little worried to start with on the first hill there but I'll bet you Mike was like yeah I just out pulled the JD bye a little smidgen hahahaha yep y'all are having fun just saying
You should definitely adjust those gearbox settings, it looks like there is some room to get less lag and reduce fuel burn. We all know that Fendt wins by a landslide in comfort and adjustability, but comparing fuel consumption and the initial price tag is probably more make or break.
Hey Mike, I think we want to see you or one of your brothers try out a new 9RX 640 to see how it compares to the older 9620RX. I’m not sure if your dealer in Sask even has a demo or if you’re done seeding already but I just thought I’d ask.
In auto racing they use a “splash and go” pit stop when you only need a couple gallons of fuel to finish the race. Perhaps you can find a convenient time to splash 50 gallons in during the day. 🤷♂️
If the monitor says 20gph it’s burning 30. Pull the drills as fast as they’ll pull them side by side for a half mile. Shut the seed off just for raw power.
Hi Mike. It would be fun if you tell how many acers / Gallon. It does not matter how much trackorn takes per hour in fuel. what it gets done per gallon. or in my case liters / hectare. Thank you for your films / Jorgen
Crazy how you guys are super dry down in the swift area and up north of yorkton we have had up to 7 inchs of rain and 4 inchs of sleet/snow in the last few weeks and there is nearly 0 seeded
You likely covered this in another video and I missed it but how are they getting a decent ride out of that tractor? I haven’t heard you complain about it yet and my experience in two tracks is a rough one. Thanks for the content
Yeah it's hard to compare. Your more setting a speed target and the tractor does it's best to match it while saving fuel, although I think you can do auto with the Powershift? Not sure how Brian is running it. But if it's manual your kind of doing the same thing, I guess depending on if your going for holding speed or holding rpm. I'm curious to see the fuel use difference, and there's something to be said about the convince of CVT
Hi, Mike! My name is Rafael and I am from Kazakhstan. I am currently studying online in canadian college Oldscollege and planning to fly to Canada in order to finish my education. I wonder If I can visit your farm? It is very interisitnig for me to exchange experience in farming between Canadian and Kazakhstan farmers. Also I am very like videos you film and would like to meet and talk to you about agriculture and staff. Hope you doesn't mind. Have a nice day!
Did you get enough seed from last year for this years seed and are you planting at the same rate as last year? I don't know about you guy's but I am mighty pleased to have filled all my diesel tanks up in November, people are getting killed out there.
It would be assume if you share list price/warrantee of Fendt versus each of the other tractors you do comparisons. Price and warrantee are major factors when making purchase decisions.
I think that is a major selling point for Mike as well. The Fendt's have a 5 year warranty I think. Which if the new ones didn't break down wouldn't be an issue, but 95+% of the breakdowns on any of them have been emission system problems.
I think these tests are awesome! No manufacturer or dealer would ever set up something like this. I think it looks like the Fendt doesn't loose very much momentum uphill, but somehow the Deere seems to catch up, maybe due to traction/weight distibution? About the fuel gauge - do you know how much fuel is left on red? Or how much you put in each rig every day? It wouldn't surprise me if the red and the top green would decline at the same rate, and the two middle greens go a bit faster.
The Deere caught up because when the 1167 was going up a hill, the John Deere was still on level ground until it also hit the hill by which point the 1167 was on level ground and started to pull away from the John Deere. Also the fendt wasn't in manual mode so it wasn't pulling at it's hardest.
Talk about "Swapping Operators", It would be neat for you to temporarily become Chapel's care giver and have Ashtyn run the new Fendt 1167 and get a female's perspective of how the new unit performs plus she would have greater knowledge of how the 1167 compares to the 1050. The possible only issue to this scenario is that it may be difficult to get Ashtyn out of the driver's seat once she gets a good taste of seeding 2022 with her knowing that you are available to perform fatherly duties.
Mike, have you done the analysis to see if running slightly smaller equipment, at a faster speed, would be more efficient than running the largest equipment and putting your tractors under max stress?
Jim Jones, I would literally be pulling my hair out if I had to watch my tractors tongue hang out for months on end like Mike does. I’ll take a slightly smaller implement and a slightly faster ground speed any day. Their machines are struggling CONSTANTLY, it makes me so uneasy when I get in those scenarios on my farm.
Dr. Rob, I promise you going from 4.5-5mph to 5.5-6mph isn’t going to stress anyone out. If anything it will make it less stressful. It seems Mike is constantly having to worry about this hill or that wet spot or any other number of factors compounded by his enormous implements but that’s his business and he runs it how he wants.
All a fender needs is wings and I'm pretty sure u could take flight everytime the engine revs up lol, our farm bleeds john deere green and never had another color on it, fenders seen ok but would be a huge adjustment for everyone here
Fendt is a nice tractor I just worry long term about reliability. I personally would rather have 4 track over 2 tracks whether that be JD 9620 or Case 620.
Over here in europe fendt is THE longest lasting tractor in the market, used ones with 10 000 h or more still fetch incredibly high prices, registration nos. Of tractors are nearly the same for both brands, in germany, but the statistics start with 50 HP, the smallest Fendt has, what 80 hp, deere is quite good in selling small muncipalty tractors
@@robertgoetz2678 I hate to rain on your 10,000 hour parade but we just sold a 2016 Case payloader with 22,000 hours on it. Used it every day on our dairy farm 10-12 day. The oil got changed ever 250 hours or 2 to 3 weeks. Other than 2 motors nothing was wrong with it cylinders didn’t leak original transmission and pins were tight. My point is than here in the US we’re more about basic functionality then all the bells and whistles of what Fendt and other European tractors have. Give me and JD or Case any day all day over a Deutz or Fendt.
@@crandonborth Hi, We are talking tractors… Construction machinery has different calculated life 3xpectancies… I m in trucks, We put in a B10 life expectancy; so 90% of the main components won t be opened before they achieve, a minimum of 1,2 mio km Regards Robert
@@robertgoetz2678 are you kidding ? Fendts are worth nothing in comparision to John Deere non vario tractors with 10000 hours. The bigger the worse the price for used in comparision with Powershift JD with same hours.
What's was the fuel consumption on the John Deere an hour? Think it be interesting to see how well a twelve wheeler would do in that same situation. Slippage and fuel consumption.
Agreed, I did a season in ND when triples were just out, never got a chance to drive a four track tho so a wheel comparison would give me something to relate to.
Its amazing that the MAN engine makes lots of hp at low RPMs. Be interesting to see fuel consumption compared to that 9620 RX with a Cummins QSX engine. It’s likely coming down the pipe! Good video Mike! All the best as your all busy seeding! I hope you get some rain! Which we could send you some from Southern Manitoba!
Yeah, would be nice to get Brian's opinion after he ran the fendt for a day.
Hi Mike,
I’m from Germany and it’s so nice to see this big machine on the work! My dream is, that I can come to Canada to work on a farm
Cheers from Germany 🇩🇪
What is your experience?
@@tdwebste my experience are drilling, cultivating etc. but I work only in my holidays and in my free time because I’m a student 😅. But I have only one year and than I’m already done with the school and I hope my dream will be true…
@@carlmeyerpiening4079
I don't know the best way to reach out but there is farmers hiring. Having basic mechanics skill helps catch problems before they become serious.
There is ads in local farming papers from time to time. Not sure the best way to reach out from abroad maybe someone else can help.
@Solar Warden Nice, but I’m looking for next year because than I’m finally finished with the school and for this year I’m a farmhand in Germany…
I think the biggest difference I noticed is that you were just... sitting there? Unlike before in the RX, you had to keep watching the RPM, shift as if you're in a drag race, and yell at the tractor so it would shift faster lol
Haha I don't miss the transmission of the Deere lol
Definitely a noticeable difference in Mike. Mike seemed bored in the new fendt 😆
@@OOpSjm Hahaha that and incredibly tired
Haha, you dont know hot to pernounce MAN
@@LukaArtelj on the contrary, I called it MAN in Marktoberdorf, Germany and was corrected right there on the spot by German engineers saying its "pronounced M.A.N."
I was like "oh, ok then."
So I ll stick to what they tell me 😆
We just had a beautiful soaker rain for over 12 hours in west central Saskatchewan thus farmers are HAPPY and possibly getting some much needed rest.
Very interesting. Always nice to see an AGCO product holding its own with older, more established company. Thanks.
fednt have been holding there own for 20 years
@@twatner09 Fendt is Agco. Agco bought the company in 1997.
@@farmerjohnson8121 Fendt itself was actually established in 1930 in germany.
@@andreasthoben4645 Yes, Fendt was. They sold out to Agco in 1997. Financial troubles caused Fendt to sell. Same thing happened to Massey Ferguson. Agco bought them in 1993. And Valtra in 2002....Fiat Bought New Holland in 1993 and bought Case in 1999. All of those companies had Financial problems and sold.
@@farmerjohnson8121 Fendt was not in financial trouble in 1997 but the younger family members did not want to continue the company. Maybe because Fendt was several times in financial trouble in it's history. There were many ups and downs and many competitors (worldwide) disappeared over the years.
Jam! Nice TPB reference boys!
Mike!! That back window has been dirty since it was brand new, that's not like you....haha. Just giving you a hard time. I check your channel several times a day waiting for your newest video, love your channel and all of your crew!! Thanks for the great entertainment!!
I have the same 680 hp engine in my truck.Power pure on low rpm.Greetings from Germany.
An D42 im LKW?
Great video Mike good luck seeding your 2022 crops
HI Mike, This is the HP man again. I enjoy your testing of the tractors. The1167 is hanging right in there. At this time the 1167 is using 400HP @ 20 gals an hour. Can't wait for the very steep hills. Good luck for this year seeding!!
You are giving it fare test. Another thing to consider the Fendt is still relatively new. The engine is not broke in yet and not giving you 100% yet. Still a little stiff
Most enjoyable, looking forward to more side by side comparison tests!!! Greetings from a wet Ireland 🇮🇪
As a custom sprayer applicator, I dream about spraying fields like that
As far as a side by side you have been fairly consistent. On the distance of a mile I would call it even. Looks good!
I would really have liked to see a fuel consumption comparison between them. If you set the implement width on the fendt screen it will give your gallons per acre and that's the number that counts when it comes to fuel. Our 930 seeds at 0.32 gal/acre,
Better to safe some content coming
I would be curious to know if it improves as it breaks in. You have to have about 70,000 miles on a semi before you know fuel milage.
Love these types of videos mike!
I like the way you're testing👍
Looking forward to see side by side comparison of fuel consumption...
Best wishes for a great 2022 season.
Good video of an unbiased straight comparison, well done!
Awesome vid Mike,you clear some ground with those suckers,I'm rocking a 3.2m Hutchison drill
A nice video! I like the camparo videos. Don't forget to include the deere with the duals
Nice to see someone out in the field. Down here in south eastern North Dakota haven’t turned a wheel yet it’s so wet and rains every other day. Talk about stress ☹️😩
Mike I wanna see a versatile 610 in your yard soon
Cool comparison. I like how you get into detail with many aspects of your farm. Very cool.
After a long period of dry weather,we now got rainshowers here in the Netherlands. 🌧🌧
I hope we get some too. (Mecklenburg)
That’s the kind of side by side comparison I’ve waited 9 months to see!
Superb seeing these 2 setups side-by-side. The Fendt seems to be doing a (boringly) good job. How much of a deal is it over a season having to refuel more often with a 400gal instead of the 450gal on the Deere? I get they both average 20gal/hr so the Deere is going to get 2+ more work hours between refuel stops. But as others have commented, surely gal/acre is the more useful figure.
I think what he's getting at is fuel use per acre is not a big cost (compared to everything else needed to grow a crop), while having to make an extra fuel stop really messes up their logistics
Interesting.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the 1167 since you did that first drag race.I'd been led to believe CVT transmissions are mostly worse in fuel efficiency and power losses.
I'm still not sure what the truth is regarding fuel economy. I found it's nebraska test results recently.If i'm reading it right,compared to the Deere it seems to have slightly *better * fuel economy under load.
Of course it gets complicated because the tests cant make everything exactly equal. They manually chose a gear for the Deere in the test. Meanwhile the Fendt may or may not have been at it's most efficient speed .CVTs have several points in their range where efficiency is at maximum.They could have tested the Fendt right at it's sweet spot.
Either way it seems the 1167 is very close in performance and economy to manual trans tractors.Well done Fendt
Here in Europe the CVT’s are more economic in fuel than power shift gearbox or other. It’s because we have small fields and we make a lot of transport with trailers or also a lot of road between the fields. We have to adapt the velocity of the machine constantly and also to change frontward and backward a lot of time in the day. And also we don’t work with the full power of the tractor in the wheels very often. We see the efficiency of CVT with the constant rpm of engine, always at the top of efficiency of the engine. In our work condition, it’s better to have a part of hydrostatic in the gearbox than to shift all the time. But if I would have so big fields like in Canada, and I would need to pull a drill with all the power of the engine with a constant velocity all the day, I would not choose a CVT
At Nebraska test every tractor is tested at different speeds and gears (if available). The test shows pretty good where a tractor has it's best efficency. A really extreme example is the Case IH Puma 150. It's CVT changes the ranges between 13 and 14 kph and the second range is very inefficient at that speed: At 13 kph the tractor consumes 280g fuel per kW and at 14 kph it's 370g / kW while the drawbar hp decreases from 116 to 101.
Fendt's CVTs work differently. Their efficiency is much more even.
Powershift transmissions' efficiency varies depending on the gear.
John Deere has a terrible transmission for changing from dead stop to 12 th gear hate how slow they are drives you crazy when pulling a grain cart. And you always have t start out low gear
Love the videos mike really enjoy seeing how u guys farm up there
Great video thanks
Good content. subbed.
Thanks Mike! Enjoyed the video!
Mike, I have to say you are the MOST fair at judging equipment of ANY Utuber!
Mike, thanks for the videos, great, the horse power issue is interesting. But with the world in a bit of a mess, Ukraine, climate, food production top of the list for most of us. Thank you and your team and all the farmers trying to plant your crops to keep US ( humans) fed. Most people just do not realise how important your hard work, investment and long hours are to our safety and well being. We are getting close to the wire.
🔥awesome to see this, big power pull off.. go mike go 🤷🔥👊🔥🏍🚜🛻🔨
Looking forward to seeing if you can make a full day on a tank Mike. 20×20 is 400, so if you're burning 20 gallons per hour you should be able to make 18 hours with 40 gallons to spare - but that is cutting it pretty close, running 90% of the fuel out!
The Fendt is only 350gal and the Deere 400gal.. Got them confused for some reason🤷♂️
He sounds like he wants to beat you 😅
@@mikemitchell2554 You said you were tired!!!!!
It must be nice to have tracks. Here in western australia i have a 9520r on a 48 foot bar and average between 8-15 percent slip the whole time. Extra traction is needed. This is with 800mm wide duals
That big horse pulls with ease huh Mike 👍
Pretty sure I just passed your drill going past Herbert today. May 20
It is on its way north again 👍
I feel our Fendts got better after 500 hours, both on fuel and power. Our 1050s were completly different tractors after 500 gours
All new engines are doggy first 500 hrs after they get broke in it unbelieveable how they perform
@@joescheller6680 it depends really, some of our tractor are good from the start.
@@ronkeking97 some maybe but until their broke in you wont get the best performance over all engines
Thanks for great content Mike
Thanks to your brother for the comparison haha
Another interesting video Mike.
It’s performing pretty dang good lol. It didn’t make it 24 hours before the mechanic had to do a service call and 2 videos ago it stopped in the middle of the field and wouldn’t move. Does pretty dang good mean something different in Canada than it does in America?
A bug in the system. They all have bugs to be worked out sooner or later
When a class 9 combine can’t cut a 2 bushel crop and no one can figure out how to fix it it’s not a bug it’s a they are junk.
The new power shifter in the Deere system is way better than before we bought two and the shift like butter
Hey Mike,
I had a discussion with a student who studies mechanical engineering and has written a thesis on power split tractor transmissions. And he says that the new gearbox what the 9er, 1000er and also the MT has inside are around 92% efficiency in the perfect working range. a manual transmission such as an e23 transmission has around 93-94% efficiency in the perfect working range but exact data have only the manufacturers and they do not give them out.
that CVTs are so much worse than manual transmissions is now only a rumor. they have caught up pretty well.
He says that when people say that a weaker tractor but with a mechanical transmission would pull better that is purely psychological. if you measured the drawbar performance you would find that the 1050 pulls better than a 450hp tractor.
And what I wonder is do your machines have RTK?? if so do you do that via mobile data?? what provider do you have for the RTK signal and how much does that cost you per year per machine?
What matters is the efficiency of the whole machine. It's pretty simple to compare by looking up Nebraska tests. There, tractors get tested under the same conditions. I did that with several machines. The 1050 has nearly the same drawbar power as a NH T9.560 or a Steiger 480, which are comparable in their engine hp. A John Deere 8R 410 with e23 has 440 hp and does not reach the drawbar power of a 1050. It's more comparable to a 1042 or a 1046. The JD needs less DEF but a bit more diesel.
So the 1050 or generally the combination of VarioDrive and MAN engine seems to be pretty efficient, especially for a CVT.
I'm hearing this more often nowadays.You're right- there's no doubt CVTs can be efficient at certain speeds. In the 1167's case it looks like they set it up quite well to be efficient at drill pulling speeds
@@melvd3484 Have you compared the Nebraska tests for the 1167 and 9RX? From my reading of it, it seems the 1167 has slightly better fuel economy for a given load. I dont _think_ i read it wrong, but slightly unsure
@@ronchappel4812 I compared them some time ago. The 9RX has 38 hp more maximum drawbar power, but under ca. 4.5 mph the 1167 MT gets more power to the ground. And the Fendt takes less fuel, 17.29 Hp.hr/gal while the Deere 16.69 Hp.hr/gal. The Deere is way better at DEF consumption.
By the way, Fendt makes no secret out of that the power the 1167 MT puts out to the transmission, is limited to 620 hp.
@@melvd3484 just like comparing the 1050 and 9520 r both drawbars are about dead similar
Hey Mike what about the Fendt vrs Deere in fuel burn? With the fuel prices at peak prices it could.make or break.
LOL I think Mike was a little worried to start with on the first hill there but I'll bet you Mike was like yeah I just out pulled the JD bye a little smidgen hahahaha yep y'all are having fun just saying
Just saying the fendt isn't broke in yet still a little on the stiff side power will improve as well as fuel consumption
So which one is more bang for the buck? How they compared on prize?
You should definitely adjust those gearbox settings, it looks like there is some room to get less lag and reduce fuel burn.
We all know that Fendt wins by a landslide in comfort and adjustability, but comparing fuel consumption and the initial price tag is probably more make or break.
OK, insert the *** I have looked at this for five hours now. Its beautiful. *** meme here, please !!!
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Definitely need the new DJI Mavic 3 Pro with inbuilt screen drone for a bird eye view
Hello big Mike
Hey Mike, I think we want to see you or one of your brothers try out a new 9RX 640 to see how it compares to the older 9620RX. I’m not sure if your dealer in Sask even has a demo or if you’re done seeding already but I just thought I’d ask.
Just kick back and let it roll
Awesome video thanks for sharing and good luck with planting
In auto racing they use a “splash and go” pit stop when you only need a couple gallons of fuel to finish the race. Perhaps you can find a convenient time to splash 50 gallons in during the day. 🤷♂️
Large funnel and a helicopter with a water bag full of diesel
It’s still a awesome tractor Michael
If the monitor says 20gph it’s burning 30. Pull the drills as fast as they’ll pull them side by side for a half mile. Shut the seed off just for raw power.
Hi Mike. It would be fun if you tell how many acers / Gallon. It does not matter how much trackorn takes per hour in fuel. what it gets done per gallon. or in my case liters / hectare.
Thank you for your films / Jorgen
Tune it tune it tune it tune it tune it
mike are you going to be testing out one of the new case quadtracs either this year or next?
Interesting to watch. I thought the 4 tracks would be better. Interesting
Crazy how you guys are super dry down in the swift area and up north of yorkton we have had up to 7 inchs of rain and 4 inchs of sleet/snow in the last few weeks and there is nearly 0 seeded
You likely covered this in another video and I missed it but how are they getting a decent ride out of that tractor? I haven’t heard you complain about it yet and my experience in two tracks is a rough one. Thanks for the content
Yeah it's hard to compare. Your more setting a speed target and the tractor does it's best to match it while saving fuel, although I think you can do auto with the Powershift? Not sure how Brian is running it. But if it's manual your kind of doing the same thing, I guess depending on if your going for holding speed or holding rpm. I'm curious to see the fuel use difference, and there's something to be said about the convince of CVT
Hi, Mike! My name is Rafael and I am from Kazakhstan. I am currently studying online in canadian college Oldscollege and planning to fly to Canada in order to finish my education. I wonder If I can visit your farm? It is very interisitnig for me to exchange experience in farming between Canadian and Kazakhstan farmers. Also I am very like videos you film and would like to meet and talk to you about agriculture and staff. Hope you doesn't mind. Have a nice day!
I have never heard mike promote a canadian built tractor
Did you get enough seed from last year for this years seed and are you planting at the same rate as last year? I don't know about you guy's but I am mighty pleased to have filled all my diesel tanks up in November, people are getting killed out there.
Well the DEF will still give you a hard time though with the Russian sanctions... As their gas was the preference for making the stuff.
@@CMDRSweeper As far as i know DEF is made from Cow poop
DEF is made from low biuret technical grade urea prills in most applications
When will you get to the BIG HILLS=NO GO field?
I've seen mt challengers with add on to the fuel tanks
Is it just the camera picking it up, or is this thing louder than the 1050 or the gen6 7series?
It would be assume if you share list price/warrantee of Fendt versus each of the other tractors you do comparisons. Price and warrantee are major factors when making purchase decisions.
I think that is a major selling point for Mike as well. The Fendt's have a 5 year warranty I think. Which if the new ones didn't break down wouldn't be an issue, but 95+% of the breakdowns on any of them have been emission system problems.
Have you got any rain out here yet here in Regina have got rain
We call those hills a jump up buddy
That is one seriously big field. Curious as to how many acres in that one field.
The big chapals big fendt pulls well.
I think these tests are awesome! No manufacturer or dealer would ever set up something like this.
I think it looks like the Fendt doesn't loose very much momentum uphill, but somehow the Deere seems to catch up, maybe due to traction/weight distibution?
About the fuel gauge - do you know how much fuel is left on red? Or how much you put in each rig every day? It wouldn't surprise me if the red and the top green would decline at the same rate, and the two middle greens go a bit faster.
The Deere caught up because when the 1167 was going up a hill, the John Deere was still on level ground until it also hit the hill by which point the 1167 was on level ground and started to pull away from the John Deere. Also the fendt wasn't in manual mode so it wasn't pulling at it's hardest.
Mike needs a drone!!!
Have you any rain at all. ?. No raining means no crop
Bet you can't wait to have a fridge again for a few days
Talk about "Swapping Operators", It would be neat for you to temporarily become Chapel's care giver and have Ashtyn run the new Fendt 1167 and get a female's perspective of how the new unit performs plus she would have greater knowledge of how the 1167 compares to the 1050.
The possible only issue to this scenario is that it may be difficult to get Ashtyn out of the driver's seat once she gets a good taste of seeding 2022 with her knowing that you are available to perform fatherly duties.
Is Brian's 9620 still bone stock yet or has that been deleted as I thought I heard that mentioned in a different video
Mike, have you done the analysis to see if running slightly smaller equipment, at a faster speed, would be more efficient than running the largest equipment and putting your tractors under max stress?
Faster seeding speed means more stress on the equipment and also more stress on the driver.
Jim Jones, I would literally be pulling my hair out if I had to watch my tractors tongue hang out for months on end like Mike does. I’ll take a slightly smaller implement and a slightly faster ground speed any day. Their machines are struggling CONSTANTLY, it makes me so uneasy when I get in those scenarios on my farm.
Dr. Rob, I promise you going from 4.5-5mph to 5.5-6mph isn’t going to stress anyone out. If anything it will make it less stressful. It seems Mike is constantly having to worry about this hill or that wet spot or any other number of factors compounded by his enormous implements but that’s his business and he runs it how he wants.
All a fender needs is wings and I'm pretty sure u could take flight everytime the engine revs up lol, our farm bleeds john deere green and never had another color on it, fenders seen ok but would be a huge adjustment for everyone here
@Mike Mitchell how many acres total will you guys plant?
20 g/hr with a 400 gallon tank is 20hrs work, so you should be sweet Mikey..
Almost wondering if you can hang tanks off the front and have them as backup fuel tanks like 150 gal transport
Nice race Mike you guys wasted couple gallons of fuel playing around on the hill but a man just has to know......haha
Mike probably a stupid question but why don’t you stagger you sleeping times and hot swop the tractors to keep them running 24 7 ?
Where is he going to get the drivers 🙄
How's your fuel usage compared to the quad tracks and the other 2 track
How much harvestable land do you guys have?
Morning
So even slippage is similar? I’m surprised as one is a 4 track
Fendt is a nice tractor I just worry long term about reliability. I personally would rather have 4 track over 2 tracks whether that be JD 9620 or Case 620.
Over here in europe fendt is THE longest lasting tractor in the market, used ones with 10 000 h or more still fetch incredibly high prices,
registration nos. Of tractors are nearly the same for both brands, in germany, but the statistics start with 50 HP, the smallest Fendt has, what 80 hp, deere is quite good in selling small muncipalty tractors
@@robertgoetz2678 I hate to rain on your 10,000 hour parade but we just sold a 2016 Case payloader with 22,000 hours on it. Used it every day on our dairy farm 10-12 day. The oil got changed ever 250 hours or 2 to 3 weeks. Other than 2 motors nothing was wrong with it cylinders didn’t leak original transmission and pins were tight. My point is than here in the US we’re more about basic functionality then all the bells and whistles of what Fendt and other European tractors have. Give me and JD or Case any day all day over a Deutz or Fendt.
@@crandonborth Hi,
We are talking tractors…
Construction machinery has different calculated life 3xpectancies…
I m in trucks,
We put in a B10 life expectancy; so 90% of the main components won t be opened before they achieve, a minimum of 1,2 mio km
Regards
Robert
And, what i wanted to s“y Fendts long termvalue is extremely high, which must be a result of dependability, long term quality etc…
@@robertgoetz2678 are you kidding ? Fendts are worth nothing in comparision to John Deere non vario tractors with 10000 hours.
The bigger the worse the price for used in comparision with Powershift JD with same hours.
Mike, what do you recommend I clean my TV screen with, it appears to be filthy.
What's the price difference 1167mt vs 9620rx?
Well the 9640rx is about 100,000-150,000 more than the 1167 but don't know about the 9620rx
what will be the fuel consumption on both tractors?
What's was the fuel consumption on the John Deere an hour?
Think it be interesting to see how well a twelve wheeler would do in that same situation. Slippage and fuel consumption.
Agreed, I did a season in ND when triples were just out, never got a chance to drive a four track tho so a wheel comparison would give me something to relate to.
Is there any way you can get bigger tanks put on the 2-tracks. If so, you might want to think about doing that when you get a break
And more weights for the steepest hills.