Bill Belichick runs one too.. Former Graduates include Jedd Fisch, Brett Bielima and Gregg Schiano I hear it’s harder to get into and a tad more rigorous if you know what I mean 😂😂
I live in Tucson and am a lifelong Wildcat fan so I can tell what the talk of the town is here. From day one it's been said that a lot of players didn't get along with him and there's obviously truth to that when considering how many chose to transfer during his time here. He also never had any kind of relationship with former wildcat players, even those who wanted and tried to stay involved with the program and that didn't sit well with a lot of the alumni. The last and probably biggest issue was that, apparently he really likes to drink and didn't do too much to hide it. It got so bad that it started to be openly talked about on radio programs and all over social media but sadly was never addressed. A lot of the fans also always got a certain 'he was too good for a program like Arizona's type vibe' from him that was there from beginning to end. And that's what I can tell you about that. Thanks for the video, I really appreciated it. Love the channel.
Sumlin really fouled up Offensive coordinators after Kingsbury, he got pass in the flats Spavital who tried to make Manziel a pocket passer, and No Endzone Mazzone.
I always said this. His hiring of spavital n mazzone killed him. They both make offenses worse everywhere they go. Check the stats. Its literally proven
Jake Hubenak wrote about the chaos and what went on, and it was jaw dropping how inept the coaching staff was!! texags.com/s/28049/qb-chaos-an-inside-account-of-the-tumultuous-2015-texas-am-season
The thing is he did great at A&M...when he had Sherman's recruits. He never recruited the line. He'll probally join the Alabama Coaching rehab program.
That’s what I’ve been saying He inherited a lot of returning seniors in 2012 And probably one of the best olines in A&M history Along with hidden gems like Manziels & Evans They made him Not to mention, kingsbury was a heck of an offensive of coordinator
Kind of hard to call it a "tragic downfall" when he walks away from a failure with millions of dollars in his pocket. More money for a few years of failure than most people will earn in a lifetime.
Arizona fan and donor here... and Canon above is right. Mazzone was his OC and was awful. They had so screwed up his head he had no idea what to do, often running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it away. It was maddening to watch... forcing him to pass first. Tate's game was his wheels. Not his arm. His senior year I said openly the guy was not coached right. He should have been a wide receiver or a Taysom Hill kind of guy. Now he's selling tee shirts with his mug on them as Mister October (when he set the NCAA qb record for rushing in a game at Colorado, a game was at actually).
So much wasted talent in the Sumlin years. It was unbelievable to me that outsiders thought that man was doing us any favors and that we made a mistake replacing him with Jimbo
Johnny Paycheck Sumlin had left for that championship game...I watched it...he was not on the sidelines...the first two possessions the Cougar receivers let passes go right through their arms...both would have been TDs
Several told me privately RR was an asshole, but he was the most personable coach I can remember. Funny and friendly. He did get us to 5 bowls. I know, most were fleabag bowls, but still... His kids sure turned out right. Rhett is going to be a coach... he's a grad transfer now at Louisiana-Monroe where RR is the new OC.
They need a lot more than a football coach. With Herm Edwards at ASU and the NFL style staff he has built I expect them the have the state of Arizona locked down for a long time. Not to mention they are snagging 4 star level guys from the midwest and other areas. I agree Sumlin did a horrible job at Arizona, but Arizona has some big problems just competing recruiting wise in their own state because of what has been built in Tempe. Whoever the new coach is they will need to have a top notch recruiting coordinator.
It's only gonna get worse for Arizona. Herm Edwards is building a great culture at ASU with a lot of former NFL coaches and players on his staff. This is very attractive to recruits as they have already shown the ability to snag high level recruits out of state. Arizona will be chasing ASU recruiting wise as long as Herm and all those guys are at ASU. It will be a long road back for Arizona.
Kind of true though - team was only 4-4 in conference play and most of their regular season wins were against crappy teams like Rice, Sam Houston, SMU and UTEP.
@@cdaniel836 Nothing more he could do; I think the poster was basically saying that Sumlin only had 1 standout season at A&M and couldn't even win with Manziel in his second year so perhaps we should have known back then that he wasn't as good a coach as he was hyped up to be.
I'm a long time donor and season ticket holder with the Arizona Wildcats. It was interesting to hear from somebody outside of the Arizona bubble and the PAC-12. I had a bad feeling right after he was hired. We had an event in Phoenix that I helped sponsor and had a chance to chat with him. Not a whole lot of enthusiasm and energy was what I thought. He quickly went downhill... I mean, it didn't take long. We went from a fan base that was angry to a fan base that had given up. We played Utah at our last home game of 2019. By the start of the 4th quarter, other than about 2,000 Utah fans present, the stadium was empty. THAT pissed me off. And of course this year. When it is obvious the team has quit on a coach, you just start looking for guys that haven't quit. And the final game against a hated rival... As our AD said, we could not afford NOT to fire him. To me, it was obvious the guy was on working retirement. He got millions from A&M to go away... then ends up getting millions more to go away from Arizona. The guy always felt to me like a carpetbagger from somewhere else. Not even sure if he bothered to unpack. Didn't know a thing about him as a person, except for...umm.... well, let me say the players openly called him "Rumlin" so fill in the blanks on that one. He was at least smart enough to have a designated driver as one of his assistants, and the son of a famous NFL general manager was "chief of staff of football" and he was a major problem I heard from football alums. I was again pissed off when we hired Jedd Fisch, but have come around... the guy is the un-Arizona coach... like George Costanza, doing the opposite of what every other coach did and failed at. Hell, if he gets us to a fleabag bowl, we'll carve his face in the Catalina mountains (just north of Tucson). By the way, Grant Gunnell who was Sumlin's biggest recruit, looked totally lost at times at QB. I said the year before he'd transfer, so no surprise. He's going to Memphis, and that's about right for him. No hard feelings, but it never looked like he was a Power5 kind of quarterback. Then again, Arizona is not a kind of Power5 team. I'm cautiously optimistic with Jedd... and I say BEAR DOWN on the future.
He did it to himself. He tried to change Johnny into a pocket passer, didnt care about defense til a couple years later, screwed up his offense after Kingsbury left, tried to pass constantly, didnt manage games well, didnt manage his players well and choked late in the season multiple times. His great-good recruiting was what kept him winning 7-8 games and each year. He should’ve called plays and taken care of the defense sooner. He could’ve been the top coach in CFB and been a star but he screwed it all up Also Johnny Manziel didnt have a good Sophomore season? 4100yds passing 37 TDs, 750ys rushing 9 TDs wasn’t good? He still was a finalist for the Heisman and would’ve won more games had his defense not been awful
Sumlin was fortunate to have inherited talent . However, Sumlin was unable to to adapt to the strengths of his players. Sumlin tried to force others to his style of play and failed. Sadly, Kahlil Tate paid the price for Sumlin inability to exploit his talent.
As a Diehard SUN DEVIL FAN AND ALUMNI member, I’m glad that Sumlin got the boot! I could care less about ANYTHING that happens to the U of A or Tucson for that matter, however, I knew this guy was a jerk from the get-go! It just seems that this team hires coaches with OVER-INFLATED EGOS! Coaches like Larry Smith, Dick Tomey, Rich Rodriguez, and Kevin Sumlin! ASU on the other hand hires coaches that all seem to confident but, HUMBLE! What can I say, ARIZONA STATE is a CLASS ACT!
You nailed it when you spoke about Kliff Kingsbury. His coaching and guidance made Johnny and his two offensive coordinators after that didn't help. The most stupid thing he did was take Noel Mazzone with him to Arizona. That and the fact he never found a decent Defensive coordinator...ever.
Exactly, the year before he got there..us other Pac 12 schools were scared shitless of Tate, when playing Arizona. Then suddenly, he couldn't play anymore..just had no confidence.
Kliff Kingsberry was Case Keenums and Johnny Manzels Qb coach when both of them had their best seasons. When both coaches split from each other is when both coaches started struggling, they where better together than they was apart.
I’m an Aggie and I believe the biggest reason why Sumlin was fired from A&M was his poor handling of quarterbacks, specifically Kyler Murray and Kyle Allen. He made promises for playing time that he did not keep to Murray, and Allen was thrown under the buss when Sumlin falsely claimed Allen was not injured after he threw four interceptions against Auburn. Both transferred at nearly the same time.
The issue we will find out about soon enough is he is as abrasive as 60-grit sand paper. He didn’t like the fact old players wanted to help the team, and an exodus of players leaving the program indicates he did not really teach, but ruled. He just isn’t right for most programs these days, and probably would do better with a smaller university trying to compete with the big boys rather than a power 5
I Can't Tell You Why he struggled with my Arizona Wildcats he was not a good coach for U of A but next year you may going to dominate the Pac-12 with a new coach hopefully let's go Arizona Bear Down
Actually 2013 at a&m was really good offensively. It took a while in 2012 for things to click. In 2013 we put up over 600 yards of offense against alabama. The reason we lost was our horrible defense. I wanted sumlin fired after 2013 when he decided to keep snyder as dc. We lost a few great defensive players to draft in 2012 that were not replaced. Recruiting at lb was a sore spot for sumlins entire tenure. I think it was after 2014 that snyder was finally fired.
You hit the nail on the head my friend. Johnny and the overall offense was actually better in 2013 than it was in 2012, but no one would guess this bc Johnny won the Heisman in 2012. Using Football Outsiders college rankings (which measures efficiency above or below average), A&M had the #1 ranked offense in all of CFB in 2013 and the 86th ranked defense. Based on Total Offense we ranked 4th and Total Defense we ranked 109th. Yes you read that right. I was a freshman at A&M that year and I still have nightmares about how bad that defense was.
@@stephenmarquardt2390 I was a senior that year. I had never been more hyped up for a season than that one. I was listening to TexAgs radio everyday that summer while working my part-time job. Other than Johnny's autograph scandal, it was an exciting time. Of course we all know the season fell short of expectations.
@@LegendaryLeonard I largely went to A&M for a ring and to watch Johnny play in person. I was convinced we were a lock to win the National Championship. Oh to be young and stupid. I figured we would only get better, but I don’t think anyone could have seen our defense being that bad. Put way too much pressure on Johnny on every single drive to score. He pretty much did it, but Bama was just so much better than us all around we couldn’t beat them in 2013.
Another thing worth mentioning is that Sherman was a good OL guy. His recruits in 2012 and the next few years did great for a&m. They weren't replaced and towards the end of sumlins time at a&m the OL became a big weak spot.
Interesting that he was considered QB whisperer; offensive guru, etc, but the guy played defense at Purdue. His weakness was recruiting linebackers, and wouldn't you know he was a four year starter at:. Linebacker, yes. Wonder no more.
There are a lot of good coordinators that do poorly as head coaches. Adam Gabe became a hot coordinator with the Bears and did poorly as HC at Miami and the Jets. Dave Wannstadt was the really hot coordinator at Dallas. He did not do at all well with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Pitt Panthers.
Sumlin is a great example of why coaches leave so often. If you don't jump while your stock is highest it may never get back up there again. If he had left for one of the NFL or top-tier jobs he was linked to after 2013, he could have had his pick of whatever he wanted. Instead he was exposed as a mediocre coach after Manziel left, his stock plummeted, he ended up with a downgrade job at Arizona and now his career appears to be over.
If he steps down the competition just off his resume at Texas A&M he will get a group of five job if he interested in the Southern Miss job they definitely will hire him
@@ToneRetroGaming he had some talented coaches in Houston. Sumlin was given a deep team so he should have won. Remember Kingsbury was his OC there and followed him to A&M. He’s like a horde of l locust. He uses up other recruiters talent and then jumps ship. I agree with one thing. Some unsuspecting group of 5 will need the name recognition. Let him stay out west.
His coaching career was propped by luck. Inherited Keenum at UH. And losing Broadway was a preview of what was to come at A&M with Allen and Murray. Johnny was lightning in a bottle, also a QB inherited. All of this was with Kliff who is now blossoming as a respectable head coach.
I think Kevin Sumlin needs to take a yr or two off from coaching, reevaluate what went wrong at Arizona, fix his approach and then maybe some school will give him another chance.
Johnny got hurt in the Arkansas game and it showed the rest of the year. Never mind Kliffy knif had the play calling down pat; the rest of the OCs were too predictable.
I remember when he was with u of h he did a great job with u of h I think Nick saban might are to bring him into Alabama lore and let him get some more training it's not a bad guy
Legends had it that the A&M board of trustees learned about this up-and-coming young coach that has done so well at Houston and all agreed to pay a high price to get him... and then found out he is Black.
1. A&M won the liberty bowl 2. Manziels stats were better in most categories 3. Long rumored that Sumlin had a drinking problem handled that stress poorly 4. Ran Finesse teams that always trailed off as the season dragged on 5. Sumlin initially wanted Qb stidham but had to take and play kyler Murray has the boosters wouldn't stand to let all time highschool leader and legacy go to Texas. 6. Well known as a poor recruiter later in his tenure. not even calling kids who wanted to commit
Sumlin at Texas A&M showed that there is a difference between 8-4 and 8-4. The SEC west is a rough conference, even Alabama regularly takes a hit during the season. Coming up short against Alabama and Clemson is one thing, collapsing every time you face a ranked team is another. The disaster at UCLA showed how lightweight the Aggies had become. I still want to know what happened to lose Kyler Murry and Kyle Allen at the same time. Clearly they saw some key flaw in Sumlin's program that made them want to leave.
He is a good coach. I don’t think he should have been fired at Texas A and M. Over all he did a good job there and at Houston. I hop he gets a job. This why finding the right job is so important.
He’s hardly a good head coach. He did nothing with my alma matar. I was against his hiring from the beginning. He a good O line coach but that’s about it.
Arizona needs to hire the iowa state coach he given time he could make them contenders again. The Iowa state coach makes players better than they really are that a sign of a great coach.
As someone who was an A&M student during his era and constantly banging the drum that he needed to be fired bc he would never take us to anything more than an 8 or 9 win season without Johnny, it makes me so happy to see him crash and burn so tremendously in a much worse conference. He is all talk and no substance, and it finally caught up to him. Props to him for making it this far tho as a con artist.
Do a video on Cuonzo Martin I think he has become a better coach in the last past two years he’s got one good team this year like to see a video on him and his team
Football is really simple and people complicate it. Let's get to some bread and butter, you must run the ball and be able to stop the run. Sumlin never had a team that could do either.
Kevin Sumlin came into a program that has been struggling for the last 20 years. They are not in the right conference, and they lack the resources to compete effectively with the PAC-12 schools. I don't think Sumlin was a bad coach, and I don't expect things to get any better with any replacement. This is the university's way of placating the alumni by throwing Kevin Sumlin under the bus. I doubt anything will change. I just wonder about the next coach; I mean, who would want to coach at Arizona. They should have just given him the last two years. We were not able to see if his own recruits could have made a difference. Fired in 3 years; that is not right. A coach should be given 5 years with a program. This was wrong.
No the reason he got fired was because he did elevate TAMUs football program but after 8 years he couldn't take the next step. His weaknesses became obvious against the tougher competition. He struggled to develop players and he didn't run a disciplined program. He did phenomenal at A&M and made them relevant but he couldn't get them to the next step.
@@AEMT-ks4so That is okay. I don't know that much about Texas A&M's program. I am just glad two people agree with me. I opposed the dismissal of both Rich Rodriguez, and Kevin Sumlin. I just hope the next coach gets treated better. Perhaps Arizona needs better fundraising. The city of Tucson is small relative to the Phoenix metropolitan area, LA, the Bay Area, and Seattle. The Oregon Ducks have the guy that own Nike helping them. The systemic problem will remain for any coach taking over at Arizona. Sumlin was a good choice. I don't think any other coach will have an easier time. I have seen Arizona go from a contender in the 80s and 90s to the point of trying to strive for mediocre in a conference that they cannot afford to be in. Unfortunately, no one wants to go to the Mountain West conference. We could easily become like Boise State in that conference, or the Houston Cougars were under Kevin Sumlin in a similar conference.
Sad, but, imo, sometimes it's better for a successful coach to stay where he's at than to head for deceptively greener pa$ture$. Afterall, it's crap shoot to repeat that same success elsewhere. Greed is a helluva drug! Smh
What coach should i do next?
Mark richt
Scott Fisher Bobby Petrino.
Butch Jones
@Ethan Hickland I like the pfp my dude. Go herd
Les Miles most wins for LSU coach
With Butch Jones moving on to Arkansas State, the Nick Saban coaching rehab has an open spot. 🤷♀️
Just what I was thinking.
Butch got Gus' spot right before Auburn let him go!
Gonna need a lot of rehab for this one.
I wish he would get another job. Arizona would save money on his buyout
Bill Belichick runs one too..
Former Graduates include Jedd Fisch, Brett Bielima and Gregg Schiano
I hear it’s harder to get into and a tad more rigorous if you know what I mean 😂😂
Johnny Manziel and Kliff Kingsbury made Sumlin at A&M
Hey, this guy gets it
I live in Tucson and am a lifelong Wildcat fan so I can tell what the talk of the town is here. From day one it's been said that a lot of players didn't get along with him and there's obviously truth to that when considering how many chose to transfer during his time here. He also never had any kind of relationship with former wildcat players, even those who wanted and tried to stay involved with the program and that didn't sit well with a lot of the alumni. The last and probably biggest issue was that, apparently he really likes to drink and didn't do too much to hide it. It got so bad that it started to be openly talked about on radio programs and all over social media but sadly was never addressed. A lot of the fans also always got a certain 'he was too good for a program like Arizona's type vibe' from him that was there from beginning to end. And that's what I can tell you about that. Thanks for the video, I really appreciated it. Love the channel.
Sumlin really fouled up Offensive coordinators after Kingsbury, he got pass in the flats Spavital who tried to make Manziel a pocket passer, and No Endzone Mazzone.
That's what I was trying to say. Thanks!
Kingsbury was his best offensive coordinator. Sumlin should've went after Tony Franklin, who is an Air Raid conniseur
I always said this. His hiring of spavital n mazzone killed him. They both make offenses worse everywhere they go. Check the stats. Its literally proven
Good analysis! His mismanagement of kyle allen and kyler murray was atrocious
Jake Hubenak wrote about the chaos and what went on, and it was jaw dropping how inept the coaching staff was!!
texags.com/s/28049/qb-chaos-an-inside-account-of-the-tumultuous-2015-texas-am-season
@@fbch32 That is absolutely crazy. I’ve always wondered what went down.
@@coz109 Not even A&M fans completely knew until Hubenak's article.
His mismanagement of Khalil Tate was atrocious
He got payback for leaving the Houston Cougars before their championship game which would have been a perfect season...traitor
That's really bad.
Sumlin is a bum. He ran off Kyler Murray from A&M and for that Aggies still blast him. Johnny got him where he is.
Kyler made a mistake going there in the first place.
The thing is he did great at A&M...when he had Sherman's recruits. He never recruited the line. He'll probally join the Alabama Coaching rehab program.
That’s what I’ve been saying
He inherited a lot of returning seniors in 2012
And probably one of the best olines in A&M history
Along with hidden gems like Manziels & Evans
They made him
Not to mention, kingsbury was a heck of an offensive of coordinator
I think you mean he did well when Johnny was there
😂💯 yeah
Kind of hard to call it a "tragic downfall" when he walks away from a failure with millions of dollars in his pocket. More money for a few years of failure than most people will earn in a lifetime.
I wish failure paid that much for me.
he's a sellout
Case Keenum made Sumlin...he was damn lucky he was already there...Case was the best
Nah Sam Bradford did his freshman season at OU when sumlin was just a co offensive coordinator.
I’m a somewhat Arizona fan bc of family members and he ruined Khalil Tate’s career. He tries to turned QBs into players that they are not.
Arizona fan and donor here... and Canon above is right. Mazzone was his OC and was awful. They had so screwed up his head he had no idea what to do, often running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it away. It was maddening to watch... forcing him to pass first. Tate's game was his wheels. Not his arm. His senior year I said openly the guy was not coached right. He should have been a wide receiver or a Taysom Hill kind of guy. Now he's selling tee shirts with his mug on them as Mister October (when he set the NCAA qb record for rushing in a game at Colorado, a game was at actually).
The man has made $50.000,000 in the last 10 years ,,, if that is a downfall let me know where I can fall...
Great video. Worse hire for Arizona ever. He had one good season at a&m and couldn't win 10 or more games after 2012 which he went 11-2 with Johnny m
And Mike Evans..who was ridiculous great at A& M
He wasted so much talent
We even had Kyler Murray in his time... Freaking Heisman winner and Sumlin couldn’t do anything with him.
So much wasted talent in the Sumlin years. It was unbelievable to me that outsiders thought that man was doing us any favors and that we made a mistake replacing him with Jimbo
Kevin Sumlin should have stayed at Houston
He would have failed there too, he jumped as soon as he could
Johnny Paycheck Sumlin had left for that championship game...I watched it...he was not on the sidelines...the first two possessions the Cougar receivers let passes go right through their arms...both would have been TDs
As an ASU student and fan, that game was FUN
As an Arizona fan, I miss rich Rod
Me too
Several told me privately RR was an asshole, but he was the most personable coach I can remember. Funny and friendly. He did get us to 5 bowls. I know, most were fleabag bowls, but still... His kids sure turned out right. Rhett is going to be a coach... he's a grad transfer now at Louisiana-Monroe where RR is the new OC.
This guy was a phony. He is not a coach he is a cheerleader. Arizona needs a Football Coach and not a cheerleader.
They need a lot more than a football coach. With Herm Edwards at ASU and the NFL style staff he has built I expect them the have the state of Arizona locked down for a long time. Not to mention they are snagging 4 star level guys from the midwest and other areas. I agree Sumlin did a horrible job at Arizona, but Arizona has some big problems just competing recruiting wise in their own state because of what has been built in Tempe. Whoever the new coach is they will need to have a top notch recruiting coordinator.
They play football in AZ?
Not even a good cheerleader.
He didnt discipline players. His 8 years at A&M it seemed like players were getting in trouble every week theyd only get 1 or 2 game suspensions
I think he was only there for 5 maybe 6 years.
@@samueljohnson6474 youre right it was 6. Felt like longer cause every year we started off 5-0 only to finish 8-4.
You're right. He was too lax on his players from a disciplinary standpoint.
Also Sumlin got 10.5 million and 7.5 million dollar buyouts from A@M and Az respectively. Really wouldn't call it a downfall.
It's only gonna get worse for Arizona. Herm Edwards is building a great culture at ASU with a lot of former NFL coaches and players on his staff. This is very attractive to recruits as they have already shown the ability to snag high level recruits out of state. Arizona will be chasing ASU recruiting wise as long as Herm and all those guys are at ASU. It will be a long road back for Arizona.
“Herm Edwards is building a great culture at ASU”
It’s so great, he got fired and the program is under investigation. 😂
This aged like milk. Arizona isn’t in a great spot but there better off than ASU right now Lmao.
“Johnny’s second year wasn’t even that good”
He finished 4th in heisman voting in 2013.
Kind of true though - team was only 4-4 in conference play and most of their regular season wins were against crappy teams like Rice, Sam Houston, SMU and UTEP.
4100 yards, 37 touchdowns while completing 70% of his passes. What more do you want the guy to do? 😂
@@cdaniel836 Nothing more he could do; I think the poster was basically saying that Sumlin only had 1 standout season at A&M and couldn't even win with Manziel in his second year so perhaps we should have known back then that he wasn't as good a coach as he was hyped up to be.
@@cdaniel836 play defense!! 😂
@@pedrobernardini1146 💀 no joke. Was Mack brown on to something recruiting him to play safety?
He hadn't done a good job late in his A&M tenure and never did a good job at Arizona
Sumlin had a lot of off field issues at A&M. Divorce and rumors of liking to drink a little too much.
Truth right there...😒
You could tell looking at him he was either drinking or on drugs.
Glad to see him doing so well 😂
70 points ? Needs to be fired.
Kevin Sumlin is trash
I'm a long time donor and season ticket holder with the Arizona Wildcats. It was interesting to hear from somebody outside of the Arizona bubble and the PAC-12. I had a bad feeling right after he was hired. We had an event in Phoenix that I helped sponsor and had a chance to chat with him. Not a whole lot of enthusiasm and energy was what I thought. He quickly went downhill... I mean, it didn't take long. We went from a fan base that was angry to a fan base that had given up. We played Utah at our last home game of 2019. By the start of the 4th quarter, other than about 2,000 Utah fans present, the stadium was empty. THAT pissed me off. And of course this year. When it is obvious the team has quit on a coach, you just start looking for guys that haven't quit. And the final game against a hated rival... As our AD said, we could not afford NOT to fire him. To me, it was obvious the guy was on working retirement. He got millions from A&M to go away... then ends up getting millions more to go away from Arizona. The guy always felt to me like a carpetbagger from somewhere else. Not even sure if he bothered to unpack. Didn't know a thing about him as a person, except for...umm.... well, let me say the players openly called him "Rumlin" so fill in the blanks on that one. He was at least smart enough to have a designated driver as one of his assistants, and the son of a famous NFL general manager was "chief of staff of football" and he was a major problem I heard from football alums. I was again pissed off when we hired Jedd Fisch, but have come around... the guy is the un-Arizona coach... like George Costanza, doing the opposite of what every other coach did and failed at. Hell, if he gets us to a fleabag bowl, we'll carve his face in the Catalina mountains (just north of Tucson). By the way, Grant Gunnell who was Sumlin's biggest recruit, looked totally lost at times at QB. I said the year before he'd transfer, so no surprise. He's going to Memphis, and that's about right for him. No hard feelings, but it never looked like he was a Power5 kind of quarterback. Then again, Arizona is not a kind of Power5 team. I'm cautiously optimistic with Jedd... and I say BEAR DOWN on the future.
Super psyched for this, gonna watch it after the fights
He did it to himself. He tried to change Johnny into a pocket passer, didnt care about defense til a couple years later, screwed up his offense after Kingsbury left, tried to pass constantly, didnt manage games well, didnt manage his players well and choked late in the season multiple times. His great-good recruiting was what kept him winning 7-8 games and each year. He should’ve called plays and taken care of the defense sooner. He could’ve been the top coach in CFB and been a star but he screwed it all up
Also Johnny Manziel didnt have a good Sophomore season? 4100yds passing 37 TDs, 750ys rushing 9 TDs wasn’t good? He still was a finalist for the Heisman and would’ve won more games had his defense not been awful
Florida lost
Crazy crazy game
Now watch LSU lose to Ole Miss to secure a losing record.
Yeah, but FL let TN score 2 touchdowns in the 4th which meant FL did not cover the line and dropped in the coaches poll. FL pisses around too much.
Sumlin was fortunate to have inherited talent . However, Sumlin was unable to to adapt to the strengths of his players. Sumlin tried to force others to his style of play and failed. Sadly, Kahlil Tate paid the price for Sumlin inability to exploit his talent.
As a Diehard SUN DEVIL FAN AND ALUMNI member, I’m glad that Sumlin got the boot! I could care less about ANYTHING that happens to the U of A or Tucson for that matter, however, I knew this guy was a jerk from the get-go! It just seems that this team hires coaches with OVER-INFLATED EGOS! Coaches like Larry Smith, Dick Tomey, Rich Rodriguez, and Kevin Sumlin! ASU on the other hand hires coaches that all seem to confident but, HUMBLE! What can I say, ARIZONA STATE is a CLASS ACT!
You're really saying that with all the allegations ASU is going through. People actually loved Rich Rod and his players loved him also.
Product of Keenum and Manziel, Zona needs to hire an up and coming coordinator like Clark Lea or Joe Brady instead of a retread.
Sumlin I didn't think he did anything when he was at Texas A&M just shined due to Johnny M.
This isn't an explanation of why anything happened it's just stating game outcomes
You nailed it when you spoke about Kliff Kingsbury. His coaching and guidance made Johnny and his two offensive coordinators after that didn't help. The most stupid thing he did was take Noel Mazzone with him to Arizona. That and the fact he never found a decent Defensive coordinator...ever.
I really blame Sumlin for Khalil Tate's career going south. Khalil would've been a Heisman winner if not for Sumlin imo
Tate couldn't pass well. He was never going to win the Heisman.
Exactly, the year before he got there..us other Pac 12 schools were scared shitless of Tate, when playing Arizona. Then suddenly, he couldn't play anymore..just had no confidence.
Not related but Butch Jones got hired at Arkansas State
Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgorsen are largely responsible for his success on offense
Kliff Kingsberry was Case Keenums and Johnny Manzels Qb coach when both of them had their best seasons. When both coaches split from each other is when both coaches started struggling, they where better together than they was apart.
I’m an Aggie and I believe the biggest reason why Sumlin was fired from A&M was his poor handling of quarterbacks, specifically Kyler Murray and Kyle Allen. He made promises for playing time that he did not keep to Murray, and Allen was thrown under the buss when Sumlin falsely claimed Allen was not injured after he threw four interceptions against Auburn. Both transferred at nearly the same time.
Can you do one on Mark Richt?
Sunlit failed because he can’t develop players. He can retry it talent sure, but developing that talent is where he fails
The issue we will find out about soon enough is he is as abrasive as 60-grit sand paper. He didn’t like the fact old players wanted to help the team, and an exodus of players leaving the program indicates he did not really teach, but ruled. He just isn’t right for most programs these days, and probably would do better with a smaller university trying to compete with the big boys rather than a power 5
I Can't Tell You Why he struggled with my Arizona Wildcats he was not a good coach for U of A but next year you may going to dominate the Pac-12 with a new coach hopefully let's go Arizona Bear Down
U of A football is a train wreck. Do not expect much for at least another few years.
Exactly. Cmon now. 🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱🔱
I still think he can coach an offense. Sometimes coaches are just better being assistant coaches.
He was always more worried about appearance and QB's than actually recruiting linemen and defense
Hey it would be cool if you did Tavon Austin he was one of my favorite college football players ever
Mazzone was his biggest problem at Arizona Mazzone forced his offense instead of steady transitioning in his offense.
Actually 2013 at a&m was really good offensively. It took a while in 2012 for things to click. In 2013 we put up over 600 yards of offense against alabama. The reason we lost was our horrible defense. I wanted sumlin fired after 2013 when he decided to keep snyder as dc. We lost a few great defensive players to draft in 2012 that were not replaced. Recruiting at lb was a sore spot for sumlins entire tenure. I think it was after 2014 that snyder was finally fired.
You hit the nail on the head my friend. Johnny and the overall offense was actually better in 2013 than it was in 2012, but no one would guess this bc Johnny won the Heisman in 2012. Using Football Outsiders college rankings (which measures efficiency above or below average), A&M had the #1 ranked offense in all of CFB in 2013 and the 86th ranked defense. Based on Total Offense we ranked 4th and Total Defense we ranked 109th. Yes you read that right. I was a freshman at A&M that year and I still have nightmares about how bad that defense was.
@@stephenmarquardt2390 I was a senior that year. I had never been more hyped up for a season than that one. I was listening to TexAgs radio everyday that summer while working my part-time job. Other than Johnny's autograph scandal, it was an exciting time. Of course we all know the season fell short of expectations.
@@LegendaryLeonard I largely went to A&M for a ring and to watch Johnny play in person. I was convinced we were a lock to win the National Championship. Oh to be young and stupid. I figured we would only get better, but I don’t think anyone could have seen our defense being that bad. Put way too much pressure on Johnny on every single drive to score. He pretty much did it, but Bama was just so much better than us all around we couldn’t beat them in 2013.
Another thing worth mentioning is that Sherman was a good OL guy. His recruits in 2012 and the next few years did great for a&m. They weren't replaced and towards the end of sumlins time at a&m the OL became a big weak spot.
Interesting that he was considered QB whisperer; offensive guru, etc, but the guy played defense at Purdue. His weakness was recruiting linebackers, and wouldn't you know he was a four year starter at:. Linebacker, yes. Wonder no more.
Truly baffling watching Trevor Knight at a&m after watching him destroy my tide in that sugar bowl
Wasn’t Manziel’s numbers better year 2? I’m an Aggie fan and felt he fell off a bit but I thought his numbers were good
There are a lot of good coordinators that do poorly as head coaches. Adam Gabe became a hot coordinator with the Bears and did poorly as HC at Miami and the Jets.
Dave Wannstadt was the really hot coordinator at Dallas. He did not do at all well with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Pitt Panthers.
Problem #1- Constantly running screen passes even hen they haven't worked the first 12 times
Sumlin is a great example of why coaches leave so often. If you don't jump while your stock is highest it may never get back up there again. If he had left for one of the NFL or top-tier jobs he was linked to after 2013, he could have had his pick of whatever he wanted. Instead he was exposed as a mediocre coach after Manziel left, his stock plummeted, he ended up with a downgrade job at Arizona and now his career appears to be over.
That belk bowl was amazing i there for it
If he steps down the competition just off his resume at Texas A&M he will get a group of five job if he interested in the Southern Miss job they definitely will hire him
I'm thinking coaching outside of the power 5 suits him. He did great at Houston.
@@ToneRetroGaming he had some talented coaches in Houston. Sumlin was given a deep team so he should have won. Remember Kingsbury was his OC there and followed him to A&M. He’s like a horde of l locust. He uses up other recruiters talent and then jumps ship. I agree with one thing. Some unsuspecting group of 5 will need the name recognition. Let him stay out west.
He could go coach at some D2 or Canadian league. 🥴
Never doubt the stupidity of some schools, I'm sure he'll find a place at some FBS team somewhere
SEC West is the hardest division in CFB. Not even a close second.
His coaching career was propped by luck. Inherited Keenum at UH. And losing Broadway was a preview of what was to come at A&M with Allen and Murray. Johnny was lightning in a bottle, also a QB inherited. All of this was with Kliff who is now blossoming as a respectable head coach.
Lol luck ? You try to coach his position
I think Kevin Sumlin needs to take a yr or two off from coaching, reevaluate what went wrong at Arizona, fix his approach and then maybe some school will give him another chance.
D3 position coach
@@frontrowtennis major hate, eh?
He is done for good! Toast! He put AZs program back 6 to 8 years and still gets paid a whopping 7.5 million. Go figure.
I think he should refund every dollar he got from AZ and go be a Walmart Greeter.
Shouldn't have stayed at Houston
He is offensive. They got that right.
Makes you wonder what a better coach could have done with Kyle or Johnny.
Johnny got hurt in the Arkansas game and it showed the rest of the year. Never mind Kliffy knif had the play calling down pat; the rest of the OCs were too predictable.
I remember when he was with u of h he did a great job with u of h I think Nick saban might are to bring him into Alabama lore and let him get some more training it's not a bad guy
Legends had it that the A&M board of trustees learned about this up-and-coming young coach that has done so well at Houston and all agreed to pay a high price to get him... and then found out he is Black.
1. A&M won the liberty bowl
2. Manziels stats were better in most categories
3. Long rumored that Sumlin had a drinking problem handled that stress poorly
4. Ran Finesse teams that always trailed off as the season dragged on
5. Sumlin initially wanted Qb stidham but had to take and play kyler Murray has the boosters wouldn't stand to let all time highschool leader and legacy go to Texas.
6. Well known as a poor recruiter later in his tenure. not even calling kids who wanted to commit
Sumlin at Texas A&M showed that there is a difference between 8-4 and 8-4. The SEC west is a rough conference, even Alabama regularly takes a hit during the season. Coming up short against Alabama and Clemson is one thing, collapsing every time you face a ranked team is another. The disaster at UCLA showed how lightweight the Aggies had become.
I still want to know what happened to lose Kyler Murry and Kyle Allen at the same time. Clearly they saw some key flaw in Sumlin's program that made them want to leave.
This coach fu ked off all his recruits. 75% transferred out at ATM. Same at Arizona. Put down the bottle coach.... smdh
This guys making like 3 mil a year to chill. "TRAGIC" is a bit of stretch
He is a good coach. I don’t think he should have been fired at Texas A and M. Over all he did a good job there and at Houston. I hop he gets a job. This why finding the right job is so important.
He’s hardly a good head coach. He did nothing with my alma matar. I was against his hiring from the beginning. He a good O line coach but that’s about it.
Arizona needs to hire the iowa state coach he given time he could make them contenders again. The Iowa state coach makes players better than they really are that a sign of a great coach.
Man, as an Aggie, just hearing his name gives me hardcore PTSD
The most shocking thing in this video is that at one point South Carolina was ranked #9.
Steve Spurrier was a damn good coach.
After that game, when the media asked Spurrier what happened. He said, the Players believed all that preseason hype that you media guys were spewing.
As someone who was an A&M student during his era and constantly banging the drum that he needed to be fired bc he would never take us to anything more than an 8 or 9 win season without Johnny, it makes me so happy to see him crash and burn so tremendously in a much worse conference. He is all talk and no substance, and it finally caught up to him. Props to him for making it this far tho as a con artist.
So glad SC never entertained this guy. Wouldve set us further than Clay Helton
Could you do a What Happened to? for Chris Davis (the Kick 6 returner) or Ameer Abdullah (HB for Nebraska)?
Ameer is still playing in the NFL. He's on the Vikings
Ameer abdullah was a total BUST in the NFL. Got drafted by Detroit, but couldn't stop fumbling. I believe he's currently in minnesota
Do a video on Cuonzo Martin I think he has become a better coach in the last past two years he’s got one good team this year like to see a video on him and his team
He is a great offensive mind if he has a QB you can RUN.
Football is really simple and people complicate it. Let's get to some bread and butter, you must run the ball and be able to stop the run. Sumlin never had a team that could do either.
Rode the coattails of Keenum and Manziel, and after making millions people are just now figuring it out🙄
Let’s see how he does with the Gamblers
Kevin Sumlin came into a program that has been struggling for the last 20 years. They are not in the right conference, and they lack the resources to compete effectively with the PAC-12 schools.
I don't think Sumlin was a bad coach, and I don't expect things to get any better with any replacement. This is the university's way of placating the alumni by throwing Kevin Sumlin under the bus. I doubt anything will change. I just wonder about the next coach; I mean, who would want to coach at Arizona.
They should have just given him the last two years. We were not able to see if his own recruits could have made a difference. Fired in 3 years; that is not right. A coach should be given 5 years with a program.
This was wrong.
No the reason he got fired was because he did elevate TAMUs football program but after 8 years he couldn't take the next step. His weaknesses became obvious against the tougher competition. He struggled to develop players and he didn't run a disciplined program. He did phenomenal at A&M and made them relevant but he couldn't get them to the next step.
Sorry realized you were talking about at arizona
@@AEMT-ks4so That is okay. I don't know that much about Texas A&M's program.
I am just glad two people agree with me. I opposed the dismissal of both Rich Rodriguez, and Kevin Sumlin.
I just hope the next coach gets treated better.
Perhaps Arizona needs better fundraising. The city of Tucson is small relative to the Phoenix metropolitan area, LA, the Bay Area, and Seattle. The Oregon Ducks have the guy that own Nike helping them.
The systemic problem will remain for any coach taking over at Arizona. Sumlin was a good choice. I don't think any other coach will have an easier time.
I have seen Arizona go from a contender in the 80s and 90s to the point of trying to strive for mediocre in a conference that they cannot afford to be in.
Unfortunately, no one wants to go to the Mountain West conference. We could easily become like Boise State in that conference, or the Houston Cougars were under Kevin Sumlin in a similar conference.
@@searscone3799 Rodriguez problems were not with football but with sexual harassment issues.they had to let him go .too much liability to keep him
if Charlie Strong went to A&M for DC A&M would win NC.
What about Syracuse Coach??? Dino
He had Mike Evans to which who was a beast
I think he needed 5 years at UofpAy. 😂😂😂
Sad, but, imo, sometimes it's better for a successful coach to stay where he's at than to head for deceptively greener pa$ture$. Afterall, it's crap shoot to repeat that same success elsewhere. Greed is a helluva drug! Smh
Hope we hire Cecil at Arizona!
Where do you get off saying HIS TRAGIC DOWN FALL smh. How many other coaches got fired for worst smh you people
Can you please do coach O ??
WTF WAS MARCO WILSON DOING HE FUCKING COST US THE PLAYOFF BERTH AND MCPHEARSON CANT KICK FOR SHIT
I’m sorry man. Wilson was dumb
D Coordinator at Purdue. Diaco will get launched for Purdue.
Welling was all about johnny football, never about him he rode JF wave and then his colors truly showed.
Sumlin played at Purdue?
Do Mark richt next please
Sumlin's issue is that he doesn't know how to take prima doma recruits and break them to become hungry again. .... The result is undisciplined teams.
By the way, what happened to that A&M receiver Christian Kirk?
Plays for the Cardinals
@@renaterrier935 He must not get much playing time because I didnt know that he was in the league.
@@claudelegree7450 watch the Cardinals vs Cowboys replay.
@@bert2754 I'll check it out.
Couldn't win the SEC even with Manziel.