Our 1000 Horsepower Volkswagen Engine Build
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- We build our 1000hp 1.8t/16v Engine package for our MK3 Drag car. This one uses a 1.8T bottom end, and a 16v cylinder head. Lots more coming with this thing but this was a big step forward in getting this to the track.
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What like to know is the extra oil ports the 06a block has to compare to the normal abf block or 8v. What have to done to make the head work
@@unlocked3054 nothing needs to happen too the block/head
Thanks
It really shows how much these engines are limited and choked down from the factory.. especially a 1.8t with the dumb n75 valve..249 valve..and a tiny lil itty-bitty KO3S turbo...that totally bleeds off boost pressure.. electronically limited.. turbo comes alive at 2200 but dies at 3000..that is just dumb
@@COMotorsportsGreetings, what's a ball park for this in a 06A 2008cc bored stroker block, for a 1.8t head, with all the appropriate piston valve reliefs?
Thats a sick build that im never going to be able to make in my shed. Im think im giving up.
Looking good and some of these tips will come in handy for future upgrades on my 1.8 ecotec. Lot's of similarities.
Dude what are you doing on a Volkswagen channel? Jk I watch your videos I'm subscribed to your channel you put out good content also. You're watching these guys for years greatpeople
When i was growing up turning wrenches in the late 80's early 90's before the web you had to know someone who had a shop and this experience to build things like this and now it's virtually free on the web. Lots of trial and error back then... Wish i had more to give but you guys deserve a lot for the specificity of your content. I put a 93 GSR in my 87 CRX and we custom-fabbed engine mounts and distributors to get the car running on OBD0. Just had that thought going down memory lane.
Cheers and Regards again
Trust me there's been a lot of trial and error on my part, lots of wrecked parts and money wasted over the years. I know a lot of what I know from breaking stuff and learning from others who've broke stuff before me. Thanks again. 👍
CO Motorsports will run 9.20 off the trailer then smooth the gremlins to a 8.00!! Let's goooo!!!
Where can I order those R&R rods for a 06A ive looked everywhere and can’t find them
Yo really nice video hopefully you guys get what you want and safely do so ❤
You guys said in the last video that you are gonna talk bout what different turbo setups for the 1.8t 20v engine and there Power range, like what's the best for your money turbo for 400hp should be or maybe the safest option for us to know where our money should go 😊😅 example like the g series or k04 hybrid maybe the gtx who knows been wanting to get 400hp safe and reliable for street racing and daily golf gti mk4 but haven't had luck yet figuring out what size turbo or I should say the right turbo for my goal should be, also I love the wastegate sounds will that be a problem if I go with a k04 064 hybrid for example??
Love your work and content guys keep up the great work 👍🏻 ❤❤
What do you guys think also in the comments help a brother out ❤
K04 are junk on 1.8ts IMO.
@@COMotorsports thanks for the reply but what turbo and size do you guys recommend for 400hp rating FWD MK4 GTI?
it has a 5speed gearbox will that hold on the power and tourqe also ?
I'd be looking at the gtx range of products, anything above 2871 will get you your 400hp.
@@rafiqdaas3497Hi buddy the answers to your gearbox questions was covered in the 18HOOPT teardown video under the Live segment. And as for your turbo specs that you need, don't worry I believe they said that the different turbo application breakdown video is still coming.
Nice to see this finally going together.
Ordered a build bottem end for my vw a year ago from a Turkish tuner shop. They showed me a picture of a crate that's gonna be shipped 2 weeks ago. If it ever gets here I wonder what's done to it for real as it's supposedly good for 1500hp and 11.5k rpm.
This video nicely shows the things that I should expect to see if it ever shows 😂
FYI I did already received the head half a year back so not all faith of lost 😂
sounds like they're taking you for quiet the ride lol
Can’t tell you how satisfying it is to see a very long process in such a short time 👍🏽🔥
Long is an understatement. lol
great knowledge provided. Interesting that you go with 16 valve head vs 20v and will listen to it again on the train to work and see if you discuss why 16v flows better than 20v.
Really excited to see this come together. Cheers and Regards!
Hell yeah! Let’s go! Thanks for the content as always.
Can anyone give me info on the 16v heads they used, I’d love to use a 16v instead of the 20
The 1.8 or 2.0 16v head works.
Thanks for explaining the differences with the 1.8 block and 16v head. Pretty interesting stuff!
This can fit the MLB A4
Lots of important little details for big power.. In Brazil this setup they are pushing 1.8 block 16v above 1300 hp without block filled with cement and Fueltech.
The funniest thing is that in Brasil the fastest 16v or even 20v was some cars from Argentina few yrs ago (being the 1st one an Awd 20v 1400hp about 15yrs now) on this power levels were reach for those cars actually
Have you seen people using hayabusa head on e888??
no
You mention at the 16:41 mark about the proper way to ship engine blocks. Is there a website to buy engine blocks and not the full assembly? I want to do a full build, but I don't want to have to tear down a full assembly. Just have a block to start from. Thanks.
That was a complete longblock that was shipped in. May be able to buy a new block from the dealer if you're not interested in tearing one down.
@@COMotorsports that is good to know. I’ll have to plan to do a full tear down.
@@COMotorsports sorry. Another follow up question. Is there a place you get your blocks from or just check eBay? The only places I can think are eBay or buying a full car from an auction and having it shipped to me. Don’t have the garage space for a full car. Thanks again.
@@CatsBanana-1983 Since we've been around for a while we generally don't need to reach far to get what we're looking for. Be it clients, friends, local community, salvage, auction...all comes down to what we're looking for specifically, and how quickly we need it.
@@COMotorsports that is good to know. There is no rush for me so I can spend my time researching. Thanks for all the help.
What is the benefit of running a 16v head vs a 20v head?
might just be that at this power level and rpm that the benefits of the 20v will be negligible.
I believe that they said in some video that the 1.8t intake cam side is limited because of the 3 lobe design and lifter size and that limits the size of the cam that can be fitted
The quickest VW' in the world is a 16v... so that's what I stuck with. Power difference would be neglectable at this level.
@@Jpuds95 Never said that on this channel, must have heard that elsewhere. There's lots of big cams for the 1.8ts, I just didn't want to deal with the tiny valve train that the 1.8t has, and the quickest VW in the world is a 16v... so it's what I stuck with.
Love it. How far have you pushed the 1.8T block on stock main caps and without a girdle? Filling the waterways of the block at all?
I think I've made 700whp on completely stock main caps, and stock main bolts and cast crank. I switched it all out after that so didn't push it further, not worth it when you're spending money on everything else in the setup.
@@COMotorsports yeah thought as much, and yeah that makes sense, thanks.
Do you ever see crank walk or main cap issues really?
I know on the 30V V6 it’s around the mains the issues tend to start, but all 1.8Ts I’ve messed with always tend to have the mains seeming great and thrust washers looking fresh when I pull them apart.
@@StavTech Nope, not typically an issue on the 1.8ts.
@@COMotorsports thanks!
Did you consider using an ABA block? Why did you guys choose the 06a block over something with a better rod/stroke ratio? What do you think the benefits of an 06a block are? Don't you need custom head bolts for the 16v to 06a block or does apr stock them?
Cause they're basically unavailable here. We like using stuff that is easily replaceable.
I built (proyect not ended due to family issues) a ABA block (2.1) 16v with a KR head back in 2006 for 600hp range on race fuel was insane unfortunately had to sell it. Here in Argentina things gets bad offen lol!
great video cant wait to see it run !
i bored my block to 83.5mm can i use a stock gasket or would i need to modify the head gasket?
Excellent work what compression ratio are you guys running
I wish I had went higher, but this should be around 10.5:1.
That’s a wicked engine man I had a head spacer aba 2.0 with a turbo and a bigger cam I forgot where I bought it from. A tree ended up falling on the car so I ended up stripping it down for its parts
Hi guys.. Dave.. Clayton.. Doggy (where is your puppy son? We need him back to channel).. so u say it is easy plug e play to swap 16v or 20v head? Yes u say cause u did 😅.. also 8v head can be swapped on 1.8T engine? Doed it have sense? Or better to use 8v engine straight forward? Maybe it is too old then huge performance difference if using 1.8T bottom as world record engine? Sorry but this isn't just my territory.. u're going with + 1000 ponies 😂.. please will be appreciated if u could share some of your east cost country.. maybe driving one of your creations down open roads 🙂
Doesn't make sense to swap a 8v head and restrict flow.
DEF one of your best videos IMO! Chock full of deelicious info!
Yeahhhh buddy! Love me some drag car content!!!!👌🏻
Can't wait to see what this motor can do. how many rpm will it run to?
9500ish
@@COMotorsportsthats nothin, if you're not spinning at LEAST 10.3k then this thing will be lame.. 😂😂😂
Totally just being an ass..
FR, looks sweet, cant wait to hear her pop off!!
what are the advantages of running this hybrid setup? don't get me wrong, Id take the 16v head over the 20v all day, but why a 06A over a 9A block? 9A has been shown to make close to same power and personally think it might be more of a solid block
@@lowlife_rabbit_mk2 9a wasn't as good as some of the others. But the real reason is 9a, aba, etc are basically non existent now. 06A are plentiful and there is lots of support for them.
This deserves 18 likes from me.
Man I wish you guys were closer to me Dammmm
Will the same steps apply for a 2.0 aeg on a 16v head? And is the head gasket coolant and oil ports the same or something has to be modified?
If you follow the channel, the orange block that was in the car was an AEG block. Nothing required for oil or coolant ports. Just run an AEG head gasket.
@@COMotorsports awesome thanks for the heads up and keep the grate content for the vw community
What off the shelf head bolts and I use
could have bought my car for a head start i have the techtonics hill climb car 16v turbo its a abf build not 1.8t bottom
everything except the girdle
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Thanks!
Greatly appreciate the support. ❤
Happy for you guys! Can't wait to see the adventure!
What rods and pistons are these please ???
Dyno of this laying down 1000 at the wheels?
It's coming. Next video i'd say.
Why not just run a charge cooler
Doesn't the 1.8t head flow better than the 16v head? Why stay 16v?
At this level, no it doesn't.
Hello. I also have an a4 b5 quattro 1.8t engine code ajl and I would like to modify it myself and my final target would be somewhere around 700hp. My question is from what power threshold should a girdle kit be used?
Girdle is just a little bit of insurance, I've made over 800whp without girdle.
I undestand. Thank you very much for the information
Just would like to say this is absolutely beautiful Dave and the CO Guys! I’m glad to be a part of this! Great job!!! I’m glad you guys are trying one of my heads! Look forward to seeing this thing boogie down the track!!!
When it’s time for the rebuild or head-gasket change let’s plan on another head I will do specifically for this build now that I know turbo rods and bore size!
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Thank you sir. We're ready for another head already. We have all valvetrain, springs, seats and everything on the shelf ready to go.
@@COMotorsports great I do have a core. I will start working on one which will be different and a tad bit more aggressive especially on exhaust ports🤟🏼 will keep you posted.
Hey..im dropping off my 1.8t beetle at your shop..Slam an engine in it..around 500h.p. would be cool..
Hi. We are building 1.8t stroker engine and we are going to use BAR-TEK manual timing belt tensioner kit with blue Gates timing belt. Do you have any recommendation how to get right tightening for the belt? Br. One of your channel watcher from Finland.
Can I run the bore rings if my cylinder bores are at 83.00mm? I see you have lots of meat between the cylinders, I don't have that much to insert rings...
Part of the downside of going larger bore on these engines. Your limited to do single between cylinders like I did.
@@COMotorsports thank you for that!
I have a question regarding piston to wall clearances and ring gaps.
My piston to wall clearance is .005” as CP Carrillo suggested for 50psi. My ring gaps are .022” top ring, .030” middle ring, and .025” bottom rings. Is there anything concerning in these specs, especially for a street build?
2001 Audi A4 Quattro
Girdled 2.0t 20v
FSI 92.8mm stroke crank
Tuscan 144x20
CP Carrillo 9.5:1 CR 83mm
Calico: bearings, wrist pins, pistons.
Bigger wrist pins
ARP 06a head studs and main studs
Ported and Supertech built head
IE race cams, and have a second set of street cams.
Orange playdoh, orange gloves, a bit of orange left over on the valve cover. The spirit of the wabbit will being you over 1kbhp I can feel it...
Really really nice build and lots to like about it. Looked like they were machining the head for bigger valves/ seat rings? Are you sealing the main girdle with the white adhesive or did you machine a groove for a spagetti seal? Notching those valve reliefs in the pistons probably only removed a few tenths of a gram so rebalancing probably not required? keep rolling.....
What gearbox and gear set
Built a few rotary engines, looking at building a forged engine for my mk6 r, not sure i can do after watching this :(
Arguably the best channel for all 18.t platforms so much knowledge and experience
I was always told ring gap is based upon how much boost. Tons of boost = large gap required
How much for a turbo manifold like the one you’re going to be running?
what's the benefit to the 16v head over 1.8t head or later ea133 CDL head apart from buckets instead of lifters is it just less to go wrong at rpm or do worked 16v have better port / combustion chamber design once worked?
The quickest VW in the world I believe is a 16v, so it's just what I stuck with.
@@COMotorsports makes sense 16v's have always been powerhouses
@@zactrimble4343 What engines have the 16v head?
@@g-mech1244 mk3 gti's and a few passats im pretty sure abf
Where did you source the L19 head studs? And what power level do you recommend using those vs ARP2000?
I made 850whp on the ARP 2000 11mm stud.
@@COMotorsports I’ve heard the 11mm can crack the block so it’s best to stick with 10mm but stronger material? Seems like it’s highly debated topic.
@@1.8_hoopt 10mm isn't holding much for power IMO.
Dang that engine is going to be sweet, those rods are some beefy boys!
Dave I never heard back from you after you emailed me about shipping to Australia, is it going to cost too much?
Look awesome ❤
Love it!!! Awesome stuff! Great video
What is the final cost of this build?
Classic answer. If you need to ask. Lol
Did you have to shim on top Billet mains in between the girdle? I just bought the billet mains and girdle for my 1.8t build and have not mocked it up yet. Also did you line hone it? What sleeves did you use? L.A. sleeve? and are they welded top and bottom? I wonder if you could have had them plated after like Nickie's Great build guys you are an inspiration to a old VW racer. I've been racing watercooled vw's since the 80's. Still have one of my old school setups from street racing with 48mm SK Mikuni carbs and direct port nitrous.
Appreciate the comments, you will likely need to shim girdle, no sleeves are not welded.
I shuld like to know more deeper to do a 1.8 bloco with 16v how is work. But tolk about you project is look allsome keep sure more videos for this project. Are your guy's from Canada ou USA?. Here from Africa
Canada
So this is a 16v head from a 2.0t and 2.0t crank? I brother always talked about using a 16v head from a newer 2.0t any of the timming belt ones like mk5 gti or some audis or possible a golf r mk6
No this is older 16v head, however a 2.0t FSI head could work also. I was going to go that route but didn't want to deal with the lifters at high RPM.
In your professional opinion, how much hp could you get out of the TFSI mk5 blocks? Ive got rods etc rated for 700+ wont be doing a top end for a while and want to start somehwere near the bottom then work my way up. Any suggestions?
Fueling is your problem. Not the block.
solid lifter head I assume?
Most definitely
I really need another Volkswagen..not that living through watching you guys hasnt fullfilled my addiction...i just really need a big kid toy
Do it!
I'm looking to build my 118 what does it cost to build something to get 1000 horsepower and if I shipped it to you would you build it I don't know if you just build your own or if you do machine shop work like that a lot of people that's what I was wondering
We can build it. Ship it. Email us with you goals and we can make it happen.
Awesome build guys, excited to see what this setup does. Quick question, seems like you guys checked valve/ piston clearance a ton of times, more than you’d expect a typical machine shop to do building a customer engine maybe? Looked like you’re also running a pretty high CR, is there a benchmark CR where you really need to begin paying attention to valve clearance? I’m running 10:1 and have an adjustable pulley I plan to play with but not sure how carefully the shop that assembled the ending would have checked that. Hard to imagine them taking the care you guys took.
A lot of things to factor in... so definitely not a straight cut answer. We checked valve to piston clearance so much because I wanted to have movement in the cams. So we'd check it timed, we'd check it as far as we could go each way on the sprocket, then did it all again once I had the pistons cut. This way I know how far each way I can go when adjusting it without having a concern. Compression, cam lift, valve size, how pistons were cut initially, head gasket thickness, how much the head and block have been decked... there are endless things to contribute to it. Hence why it's worth doing.
This is definitely what I want to do to my Audi power wise, eventually. I want to start out with buying a CTS turbo kit and all supporting mods like maf, clutch, ect… then I want to completely build the motor and everything else to be able to handle the power with an awd/long setup. I think you said that you’re using a 6262 turbo though? I don’t remember seeing that as an option for my car on your website.
Then I’ll go from Maestro to Elite.🤣
I may have a Pag Parts turbo manifold and PTE5558 turbo for sale soon if interested. Was going to use it on my B6 A4 but may be overkill for what I do with the car.
Hey there man, I know its rather tedious to talk to a next man crowd, but for those of us, especially me I'm a Vdub all the way, was wondering is the 2e (Mk1 - Mk3 bottom ends, the EA, ABY the ABF as well compatible with the 20v heads, or are there any oil or water ports that need to be modified. Apart from sproket spacing of course.
My final question, apologies for the stretch but is any belt running Dub blocks compatible with belt running heads. And how'd you switch out the oil pump.
Would love a detailed video😂😭.
Much love from South Africa, me and my pops currently modifying a 2.5 diesel block to fit the old WB heads 5 cyl 10v.
I haven't done what you've asked so I can't say. Belt length, belt alignment, head gasket, and head studs are the common hurtles between blocks/heads. But if you think of the blocks that 16v heads have been swapped too, and think that I've swapped a 16v head on a 20v block.. then you can kind of piece together what can work. Again the things listed above are generally what need to be addressed.
100% thank you@@COMotorsports
why the old school 16v head?
Is there a specific reason your using the 16v head instead of the 20v
Quickest VW in the world still uses 16v head... so why not.
Love the content #South Africa
Would you build that exact motor for a customer? If so how much?
Of course. Price who knows
Where are you guys based out of? Looking to get my mk6 dynoed
East Coast Canada.
What kind of cams you running and what CR u running?
Cat cams, 10.5:1.
You guys are the best 👍
Frig ya biez!!!
Guessing the forum talk of " stock 20v heads flow equavalent to some of the best race ported 16v heads " doesn't apply here 😂
They're pretty similar from all my research over the years.
@@COMotorsports thank you for all the informative responses you give on all the questions asked , such a awesome channel and great informative content 👌 very nice
@@armandbeyers2935 Appreciate it. We'll do more if the channel grows enough to sustain itself. At this point, it's just a money pit for us. lol
Super interesting engine, what head bolts are you using
The head bolts are unique to the setup. Meaning they are not off the shelf 1.8t or 16v bolts.
Thanks!
Greatly appreciated. The quickest VW in the world is still a 16v to my knowledge, which is part of the reason I stuck with it. Little cheaper when it comes to valve train stuff because there's less. But either perform similarly.
Thanks!
Appreciate the support Todd. 💕
Is that some sort of low-friction coating on the cams?
Just off the shelf cat cams.
So you can run a 16v head on a 1.8t bottom end?
I clearly shouldn't need to answer this. lol
Sick build. Sick video.
I know you guys are busy, but you also mention you have a lot of videos on the 2.0t fsi and making power on that platform. I ran through many of your videos, however I haven’t seen much of a “build” or “how to power”. All I found was some dyno sessions. If I missed the videos, would you mind adding them into a playlist for us rocking the fsi? Thanks much love and appreciation.
Well all our dyno video's all have a pretty good description of the build/spec sheet so really the information is there.
@@COMotorsports are they in the description? I didn’t even think to look there.
@@bagelbandit6076 Every dyno video, I specifically talk about the setup. Sometimes yes it's in the description as well, but not always.
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Love this update. What size pistons? What compression?
82.5mm, may go smaller next time. We'll see how the sleeves hold up. 10:5.1
Big fan of everything your doing, keep it up.
Appreciate it
So you said 1.8 block which gen block is it or are they all the same?
belt driven 1.8t.
@@COMotorsports That particular block is an EA-113 block (06A family with the timing-belt driven waterpump and chain driven oil pump - among other things). All blocks prior to that are in the EA-827 family dating back to the early 1970s (when VW Group acquired Audi for their expertise in water cooled engines). EA-827 has an external waterpump driven by an accessory belt, and have an intermediate shaft which drives the internal oil pump).
so sick!!
Question about the loctite - what type do you use?
I had to get 2422 for my wheel stud kit, since it was the only one (that I know of) that can handle high temps - it's rated for 350 C, but it's also a medium strength type (blue).
Just curious what you use, since none of the others seem to have anywhere near the same heat rating.
No loctite on head studs.
So I either read that wrong or you edited it. Lol that should do the trick.
@@COMotorsports I didn't edit anything - I was just curious which type of loctite you use. I know engine components get pretty warm in operation, but I wasn't sure if it was a temperature that would cause the loctite to break down.
I got the 2422 because I did a stud conversion, and that was recommended due to the high temps. It is a medium strength type, but it's the only one rated for such high temp applications.
@@COMotorsports I guess I should reiterate, I used the 2422 on a *wheel* stud conversion kit
Thanks a lot
Manifest it! Love this content!
Exactly and thanks
What sleeves did u use?
Custom set we've done the R&D on for the 1.8t blocks. We've done a few sets now.
@@COMotorsports Would they maybe fit on old alu block fsi (not tfsi) 2.0 16v.
@@norlyn2 I haven't even seen that block so no idea sorry.
@@COMotorsports Its very similar with tfsi block, would these fit tfsi block?
What's the total cost of this build bud, 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Alot of money!!!
@@chadbenjamin8118 no shit bud I want to see price difference between England and Canada 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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