Is the Villager Nerf Coming In 1.21?? | Minecraft
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2024
- Mojang announced a HUGE villager nerf 7 months ago... and has been silent since... is it coming?
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I like the idea of having to find an enchantment template (like the armor trim) then any librarian can copy it into a book for an emerald price
In ancient city 1% chance drop😉🤣
Hell nah
@@mikedergalevI’m okay with that. Reproducible protection 4 with a1% drop chance?
@@matthewcrowell7004 i cheated with chunk base to find silence armor trim and even so it turned out way too long. I wish i didn't do that, but without cheating it would ve take ages.
So we need legal means to find such rare loot. Pay a 1000 emeralds to a certain villager, or smth i don't know.
Personally I'd prefer to see the enchantment table and anvil systems be reworked. The villager tied to the biome seems to be a "fix" without a real fix.
Yeah, the problem is that the villager trading system has been used as a sloppy fix for the problems of the enchantment system and the durability system, forcing players to rely on trading for enchantments, especially Mending, rather than use the enchantment system or repair system. I think a better solution would be to fix the enchantment system so players didn’t have to rely on trading. For example, instead of having all enchantment use lapis lazuli, you would have to use the game’s full variety of material to obtain specific enchantments, similar to brewing. For example, phantom membrane combined with spider’s web could be used as a chance to get Mending or Silk Touch. Something along those lines. This would reduce the players’ desperate reliance on villager trading. I also think reworking the durability system by lowering material costs of repair, and no longer having items disappear when broken but instead take on a “broken” state and be unusable until repaired, would eliminate players’ desperate reliance on Mending. Because villager trading has been calibrated to make up for enchantment and repair systems being broken, I don’t think it can be fixed until the others are fixed as well.
Anvils shouldn't break. Blacksmiths have been using anvils for hundreds of years. As long as they are taken care of, they do not just wear out and break.
@@sashimiturtlecan’t believe this is the first time I’m seeing this. I’ve been thinking this for years!
I mean, it’s a freaking anvil. It is used to shape hardened steel in some cases. How is using one 13(?) times going to cause it to shatter.
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@@goodrabbi7176 exactly. Anvild dont break from proper use... maybe if one was left outside in the rain, there would be a degridation process like aging copper, but it would eventually rust and be unuseable. But an anvil kept indoors and used properly shouldnt degrade any. They are expensive to be breaking all of the time.
have these changes been added yet i am playing minecraft after quite some time and wanted to get mending for axe but couldnt get a decent enchant after messing 30 mins with the villager am i unlucky or these changes are added btw i am asking for bedrock
I certainly hope they've dropped these ideas for villager rebalancing. While well intentioned, I think these biome specific trades would be highly detrimental to player creativity.
It's the equivalent of saying, "Hey, player! You know that amazing idea you had for Mediterranean city built in a savanna biome? Or that grand library you wanted to build in your city? They're useless now, because we're going to give those biomes limited and garbage trades for being too common."
It creates multiple levels of negative reinforcement that discourages players from building and creating things that could be amazing.
YES especially for casual players who don’t have that much time to do extremely grindy stuff to get good tools
@@emilymundle3943 most casual don't even exploit villagers to begin with
I believe every player should explore as much of their world as they themselves see fit. This Biome dependent mechanic interferes with that.
Then don't? You can still get the enchantment.
@@kiattim2100 we want it the way it IS.
Exactly, Exploring trying to find a village in a specific biome just to get a certain enchant is grindy, Bloats the world file size ( A world killer on more limited devices ) & makes it even harder to find new generation when the next new stuff releases in future updates.. 🙄
@@Markus117d try MCA Selector for deleting chunks. It's very easy. You can filter for chunks you visited under x minutes in total and delete them.
It wasn't a villager nerf. It was a librarian inconvenience update. It made the game worse.
Out of the proposed changes, I think Mojang could still use some of their ideas...... they just needed to weed out the bits that were a REALLY bad idea. The big thing I've said since the beginning of this nurf idea is that they needed to think about the players who didn't have the confidence to roam thousands of blocks from spawn as well as the people who just didn't have the time. They were the ones who would ultimately suffer the most. There were still a couple of bits that would definitely be a good idea to look into.
The first was actually the Wandering Trader..... you know, the guy who keeps leaving you free leads.... which is what most people used him for. Being able to buy a wider range of items from the Trader as well as being able to sell items to the Trader would be a huge benefit to the game, and it would mean that people are actually excited to see the Trader arrive.
The second thing I thought was going to be great was adding more maps for the Cartographer. I know they've added the Trial Chambers map to the maps that would be available, but I think that adding the maps to other villagers would be really helpful to the people I mentioned above. This would mean that people who don't have the confidence or time to look for other villages would be able to explore further with the conference that they would still be able to get home again afterwards. This would be awesome even without the rest of the nurfs that were suggested.
The only other point that I would like to see is something from the Fletchers station...... ANYTHING!!! Please, I'm really begging here!!!!! 🥺🥺🥺
The villager resettlement program was not a very good idea IMHO and yes, they really need to step up their communication on things.
Its not just the villager nerfs ... its the focus on such meaningless early/mid game stuff & still zero investment into a better "end game"
Its this Mojang philosophy of reigning in people to play for two weeks before quitting of exhausting themselves of everything new & old instead of wanting people to create long-term worlds like Dallasmed65 where they're adding things that are useful to those who've already seen it all & just want more ways of making MASSIVE builds easier.
Does the villager nerfing hurt? Yes. But imo its their update formula of letting people "preview" (aka spoil everything early), slow progress updates (with solo modders putting out more effort) & the direction of those updates (mainly discovery things that are underwelming & not very rewarding at all especially for those who already had existing worlds)
How about special charms that allow me to levitate when building (like in creative but obviously not in creative) or have a cape that gives me unlimited beacon ability range?
How about new enchantments that make sense (like LavaWalker or Shock or other very basic equivolents to already existing enchantments)?
How about new crops that offer aesthetic & food options (new two tall crops like Corn to better food options like Steak & Eggs, Bacon Potatos, Popcorn, etc.)?
How about basic peices that should already exist (from concrete slabs/stairs to copper lanterns to iron rods)?
Idk maybe its me but I just wish they did more for people who are invested in the long term. The people who actually care about the updates & watch these types of videos.
My issue was if you were a traditional skyblock or flatworld player it pretty much destroyed your world.
Mojang us trying to kill their golden goose. Im done no more updates if this goes thru
I downgraded to 1.16 on bedrock edition
and then people say ohh this game is too easy make it hard please
I have been playing worlds with the villager trade nerf for a while now and really like it with one addition. The show all trades pack. All the travel is much more interesting than rolling villagers. And having to setup bases in all the different biomes is also a fun challenge.
One way to combat this,( I know this won't be for everyone) is to just get all your villagers squared away before this is ever implemented into the game especially on longterm worlds.
Done i have backups of backups. And all possible trades locked in for 1 emerald
right. i set up 2 trading halls already. i might set up a 3rd one lol.
Wish they would make Jungle, Swamp and Cherry Grove villages ...
Cherry groves COULD introduce FEMALE mobs....lol.
I think you are right. The experimental changes to villagers are never going to happen. I expect the experimental villager features toggle to be quietly removed eventually. Also you failed to mention that trident and crossbow enchantments would no longer be obtainable from librarians if they did this.
I concur. Eventually, there may be some “adjustments” but to the degree that was mentioned here is very unlikely anytime soon.
Perhaps an option would be to have something along these lines based on the level of difficulty being played or whatever...
Definitely enjoying these technical and informative discussions! Great work as usual!
I love the idea of moving the librarian trades between biomes, but the fact that the specific enchanted books aren’t the max trade, if they took that away, I’d be ok with it
Do you think Mojang puts out ideas like the villager nerfs, knowing it won't be liked, to drive feedback on ways it could change in ways the community would like?
I know the experiment game play takes time, energy, money and so on but they put these out as a framework and hope the bluster it kicks up causes more community involvement than simply mentioning something like this in a tweet or post would.
Thanks for keeping us updated!!!
I think the reason why it will cause some players to quit playing minecraft is because, most players don't like to explore then having to setup a villager breeder in every biome for that particlar enchantment, it is just alot of hassle just for a mending book plus, so it seems like Mojan wants us to go back to using the enchantment table for op enchantments.
I like to explore besides when Minecraft is very weird for say I have a swamp that is extremely far away from me. It is almost 1,000,000 blocks away from me. That is ridiculous but Minecraft generation is whack so it would obviously be very tedious for me to have to go all the way over there and transport a villager
@@blakelandry9313 I'm not that much of a big fan of exploring when it comes to Minecraft really, mainly because I'm a casual player that plays on my own world on playstation 5 most of the time but I do play other games
@@blakelandry9313but some people have a life they don’t got time to do all that they’re turning something you can do in a couple hours into a possible week long thing
I really hope the enchantment system works more like the trim system. Like instead of being frustratingly rng you can somewhat control the outcome with what extra material you put into the enchantment table? Spider web for a increased chance of silk touch, actual feathers for feather falling, obsidian for blast resistance, amethyst for fortune, etc.
Maybe you are still not guaranteed to get exactly what you want, but you can at least better weed out what you don't want. Maybe putting haybales in the table raises the projectile protection by a small percentage, but mostly importantly prevents the other types of protection from rolling at all.
So say like I have a chest plate I want to enchant with blast resistance and unbreaking, I can put in some obsidian and it'll either be one or the other, with a slight chance of both.
That would make everything better instantly, and it'll still be interesting to figure out what material to use for which gear.
I don't like how they took away a bunch of books from the villagers making it almost impossible to acquire other books since the enchantment table kind of sucks. It's not like it's easy to get them to trade what you want, the constant lectern breaking and placing is already tedious so, I don't see why they call it "rebalancing"
I just started a world with the 1.21 and Librarian updates turned on (MC Bedrock). But I'm also using the Magic Add-On, so I can easily Teleport those Villagers back to my home base after I find them. I'm also kind of forcing myself to NOT Speed Run as well, so I need to reach certain levels before I can access/do specific tasks. Like lvl 50 lets me enter the Nether, 100 = The End, 150 = Automated Farms, 200 = The Wither... or something to that affect, plus minor quests for each. This will kind of force me to explore more and find these Librarians too.
Speaking of which, I hope someone creates a Quest Add-on that can be customized via a Book & Quill (not sure if Add-ons can read them or not)
Awesome and informative video, Prowl. Let's Gooo!!!!!!
I liked the changes, especially for the armorers and the wandering trader. The enchanted books sucked because they didn't offer the highest level. Other than mending i usually just build my own books using xp farms and enchanting table
They need to fix the enchanting table. Communicate with the community.
Yes, it would be nice to hear what amd when they are planning. Im not sure im going to quit but thia change is definitely not a good change.
I think they said 'some players' think its to easy or to OP.
If i remember correctly it felt like a heck of a lot more than some that did not think that so if 'some' was enough then the amount of resistance ahould be enough to rethink this change.
I like the librarian being linked to a biome idea. It pushes top enchanted gear by design into later game.
But it does mean transporting villagers even more which will get frustrating so that might need to be looked at too to enable it
I would love to see something like the nature's compass come to the game.
Me and my friends have started a new world and now i do want the biom spasific trads for books as i have spent a few days now just rerolling villagers to only get mending and silk tuch
They've tried communicating. Look at the elytra changes. Result? People got upset that they would no longer be working on it. The let-them-forget strat is just a natural result of the way the community has reacted. Unfortunate, but that's just the situation. I just hope they pull the wandering trader changes out from the experimental datapack. That's such a change for the better.
And yeah, new omen system effectively nerfs raid farms, which in part rebalances villagers. A core flaw that made villagers so busted is how cheap trades became due to how simple and efficient the process of raid farms made getting emeralds and the villager rebalances never addressed any of that.
6:09 this is incorrect, it did come to the game, but the change was experimented on bedrock/pocket/console versions.
the most annoying change was the removal of blocking with a sword, that was made to enforce using a shield, and changes to how timing your crouches no longer mitigates knockback, among many other changes. the removal of these made a bit of a fuss, but only on the console/pocket/bedrock communities and thus, mojang decided not to impliment it into java edition.
The combat update did not come to the game. You are talking about some different combat changes.
I just started a new world in minecraft like 2 weeks ago and just figured out I have to go all the way to a swamp now to get mending after spending 3 hours rerolling lmao and now none of my farms will work after the spawning change
This is not true, unless you have enabled the villager rebalance experimental feature for your world.
@Prowl8413 I have the new 1.21 features enabled I couldn't get a mending book til I maxed out a swamp villager
The spawning change only breaks farms where you use darkness to spawn them. It doesn't change structure spawns.
I've played with the villager nerfs in experimental, and I'm currently living in a swamp as a result! Beyond mending, the enchantment table is so bad that I mostly just roll extra levels on books. Curiously, the order of enchants can no longer be affected by the order they are added, so something that I used to enjoy has been removed.
The problems with the villager trading system are very much intertwined with the problems of the game’s other systems, like enchanting and durability. I’ve thought about these problems a lot and these are some of my suggested solutions:
1. Items are no longer destroyed when broken, but take on a “broken” item state and can’t be used again until repaired. This lessens player’s reliance on villager trading for Mending and is far more fun to collect and restore broken items.
2. It now costs less material to fully repair an item than it costs to craft a new item. This also lessens player reliance on Mending enchantment and no longer discourages players from using the repair system due to insanely high costs.
3. Enchantment system is redesigned to use the game’s full variety of materials, similar to the brewing system, in order to achieve specific enchantments, not just lapis lazuli. This would also lessen players’ reliance on villager trading to obtain Mending and give players much greater involvement in obtaining specific enchantments, while still keeping certain enchantments rare due to rarity of materials, as well as give the game’s enormous variety of items new purpose and value. For example, a unique combo like phantom membrane combined with spiders’ web could be used to achieve Mending, or another enchantment.
4. Villager trading discount now has a maximum of 50% reduction in cost. This is more than enough of a benefit, having everything priced at 1 emerald is obviously overpowered and broken. This higher cost would also preserve the value of emeralds.
5. Diamond gear is no longer available in villager trading at all, due to the fact that renewable diamond gear is insanely overpowered and completely devalues diamonds.
6. Villager trading now only works with naturally generated workstations. This is meant to discourage the dreadfully de-immersive villager trading halls, which have no resemblance to the gameplay experience of actually trading with a villager. Now you have to go find a villager with the enchantment you want by exploring.
7. Villagers can now be armed with swords and defend themselves against zombies and other mobs. This would reduce the need to trap them to keep them safe, thereby enabling more natural, less player-controlled, behavior.
I like 1, 2 and 3, agree that 4 is better, but strongly disagree with 5 and 6... 7 is iffy... there are free range systems that are safe for the Villagers, but I also remember a time I tried this sort of thing and could never find the Villager I wanted because they all look alike (it was Version 1 Villagers, bred with Doors).
To 'fix' player reliance on Villagers the Devs should go back to the beginning of Enchantment and make the changes to the Enchantment Table, Anvil and Grindstone (I know it is newer, but it fits here and could be better used - maybe to take Enchants off of Gear and onto Books?).
The Anvil needs to never say "Too Expensive" again. I like your idea with the Enchantment Table, and there are other changes that could be made as well.
Villager Trading is the only real way to get Diamond Gear in a Sky Block map. Yes, it is niche, but so are most things.
What I found distasteful about the proposed Villager changes is that it was mostly "The Devs don't want you to play like this, they want you to play like that" which ruins the sandbox " infinite wonders, endless possibilities" idea that built Minecraft to begin with.
Also, if they had really wanted Players to travel, then they would have made it so Horses fit in Boats on Java instead of taking away Horses in Boats in Bedrock. They could not figure out how to do so, therefore they do not need to try and force the player base into traveling which is painfully slow, dangerous and annoying.
The Wolf changes are a much better idea to get Players moving around their worlds (inviting corruption as well, oh what fun!!) to collect them all, or at least their favourites.
I think villager trading is one of those things that simply shouldn’t be subject to player manipulation at all, the player should have to adapt to the limits of the trading system. The fact that it can be manipulated illustrates that it is a broken system. Villager trading halls are not some curiously repurposed redstone exploit that produces fascinating gameplay mechanics, they are simply broken gameplay, an exploit, a cheat basically, that produces nothing but dull menu clicking activity and an over abundance of cheap resources, which disincentivizes participation in actual gameplay. Not only should villager trading halls not be incentivized by the game, they should not be possible, whatsoever. It’s an abomination of failed game design. @@d4r4butler74
Tradding halls build before the atualization will still work ? I have a complete trade hall and I'm afraid it will stop working.
Well, they got me to build a a couple of massive villager trading halls around zombie spawners. I hope you're right. It would be a pain to deal with.
I think for this implementation to be official they need to change TWO things.
1) the anvil either increase the experience cap or remove it.
2) buff the enchantment table so higher tier results and multiple enchants are more likely.
Notice how underutilized the enchantment table is rn… I don’t mind the villager rework cause it’s still somewhat overpowered (if you’re near the right biomes) unlike spamming lecterns it’s a CONFIRMED master trade. I do agree that the enchantment level for unbreaking etc should me max, but if they remove the experience cap on the anvil it wouldn’t be that big of a deal
For some reason, what a villager is willing to trade for an emerald increases with each level rather than decreases on bedrock PE. The trading rebalance is broken
Soooo, apparently I screwed up. I turned on villager trades rebalancing in my experimental features and now I can't turn it off. It uses this mechanic. When the final release comes, do the experimental features revert, or am I screwed forever?
No, you are stuck with this turned on. Experimental features can't be turned off. Think it automatically copied your world before turning experimentation on
I have an idea for better villagers and still using this mojang idea by using the Lama carpet as in you can travel the world and find villager clothes to give them or making the wondering trader can sell them
Not just the traveling is the problem you have to build a trading halt in each biome just to have all the enchantments
Villager nerfs will cause me to not want to play anymore. Mending is a necessity to repair gear. Making it next to impossible to get, will make me play another game.
Hopefully they'll add the enchantment loot tables being exclusive to structures so people will actually be able to find the enchants. I feel like the essence of Minecraft is just ruined by villagers. I feel it wouldn't hurt to switch your play style and try something new. (I mean this in a friendly manner, because I'm sure people won't agree.)
@@Prevailing_Chaos In my current world, I'm in a large mangrove biome with jungle and savannah nearby. There are actually two savannah villages on a river from my mangrove base. I'm pretty sure I have normal swamp semi close as well. I think the swamp was the intended mending villager... so it shouldn't be crazy impossible to get a villager with mending. In a friends world I play in some, There is no swamp for at least 3000 blocks. I don't have the seed to his world so I'm just going on what I've explored for a few maps. Transporting villagers that far, is a very painful process.
I like the book by biome feature. It would make getting max level books easier to re-roll... that is if they could still get max level trades.
Most likely they won't, I think they max out at one level before the max enchantment like sharp 4 or sharp 3 idk
@@szymontylak8910 yeah they do
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Prowl your bedrock tutorials and bedrock guide is goated btw 1st❤❤ they should remove anvil limit
The villager nerf probably died with kingbdog's post talking about how everyone was fine without mending before they got accustomed to it
I think the villager changes are good, but they need more work currently transportation is terrible. Maybe they should make it to villagers follow you if you’re holding an emerald block or they can make it to where random types of villager zombies spawn in any biome and I’ve been doing a lot of testing with this new change in it’s not that great there are things I like but for the most part, it has a lot of problems
Also, I highly doubt it’s coming this update because this updates are already done and it seems like it’s releasing in May seeing how bedrock already and it’s pre-release usually when bedrock hit the number for the release, it usually means the update is coming soon meaning this may will probably get the update
Bundles are not ingame due to Mojang is trying to figure out how to make them work on Bedrock using touch screen and controllers. They have said that many times.
I have not seen them say this... MAYBE a couple months after they introduced them, but I'm pretty sure that didn't even come from them, but community speculation
It'll be ironic if Mojang turn around tomorrow and say it's happening
Plz no....
@@dareokoski8158 haha I'm sure Prowl's right and they won't - Mojang don't want to cause half the player base to desert...
@@ThePurplePassage 🙏
Now I don't think they would mind as much if half of the biomes had half of the enchantments and the other rest would have all the other enchantments
I hope they keep it a toggle as it is in the experiments tab.
Like if you think the game is too easy then use it but I don't have 6 hours a day to grind for books
I stopped playing after the discount nerf. My whole base centered around trading and I lost motivation.
I didn't mind the discount nerf... just made making some crop farms more useful, because you can AFK farm a ton of crops, trade multiple of them with some farmers, and get tons of emeralds pretty quickly.
I thought it was just gunna be a toggle to say you can or can’t do it?
I ain’t gunna lie it doesn’t seem to bad it brings more playable stuff to adapt to instead of just building farms in area and getting bored easily but to have a toggle
oh cause 19 emeralds for a name tag makes sense ????
Free if you spend the time to Fish it up. But that is an RNG nightmare that sometimes just is never going to give you a Name Tag (multiple Mending Books, but no Name Tag). Of course you won't know until you try, it could be the other side of that coin, where you have numerous Name Tags but have not found (pick a thing you can fish up, Lily Pads? sure, you want to decorate your pond)...
"Random" is a scary thing.
I think a better way to handle librarians is to have them sell the same type enchantment but increasing the value as they unlock. I.E. if they have efficiency 1 at novice, you know they will have efficiency 4 or 5 at master. I also think mending should be taken off trading (stay with me) and added to structure loot tables. Makes it a bit rarer and gives you a reason to actually go in a woodland mansion
And then also the mending change keeps the anvil and repairing tools still relevant
Thank you 🤗👍
The server I play on has implemented the villager nerf… my opinion is that it is terrible, but on my server it has mixed opinions!
The TLDR is: I hope they don’t include the villager nerf in the next official update, but it won’t ruin the game. (And will actually benefit those willing to do the leg work to obtain the villagers for a book shop).
Not ONLY do librarians need to be “Biom specific”, but in fact they limit the levels of the books (My team mate insisted on selling books, so we have bank in diamonds), but for like efficiency V it required 4 books (as max trade level is eff III… III + III X2 IS 4) and that I’d rediculously expensive and then requires any player looking for max enchantment armor, you MUST use the enchanting table to maximize your ability to prevent a “Too Expensive “ situation (so the grind goes from swapping lectures to grinding the enchanting table at speed farms). Other players try to charge a lot for books, but once you’ve established a decent trading setup with access to leather and paper for books… it’s still easy to corner a market a 1 diamond per book.
For armorers, it’s not even really worth it anymore except to trade iron for ingots (but also I maxed a taiga villager not knowing the biom specific was changing them either). I have jungle tool and weapon smiths and they’re still kinda worth it.
On my server, lots of people are looking forward to the raid farm nerfs (as some think that the totem drops are over powered, I just think newer farms will include just a potion filter and use some gunpowder to make splash for dispensers to splash healing and ominous splash potions onto the player. (To continue with ongoing raids. Also the ability to stop a raid and return without a need to seek out an outpost)
My server is only on the 1.20.4 release and not doing snapshots at the moment, so we have trial chambers and trial keys, but nothing else afterwards (so I’ve been mainly stripping all the copper and tuff stuff out of them, as it’s better than a copper farm or mining for copper ore to smelt for blocks).
They could add it to hard-core to make it more challenging
And the Wandering Trader got a little bit better.
THE MENDING PROBLEM
I called it the mending problem, but in reality enchanting sistem and anvil are the real problem. how to fix them? I will describe a few changes from the easiest to implement to the harder ones:
1) remove "too expensive" and the incremental cost for every repair on the anvil. Make the anvil never break.
2) make the anvil only cost material and not exp, or make it cost only one material for every full repair and keep exp cost. (Trident would use prismarine shars)
3) make the anvil only cost one material for every full repair and remove exp cost. (Trident would use prismarine shars)
With every step, the nerf of mending, or the nerf of its accessibility, becomes more doable, but there still is a problem, the fricking rng in the enchanting system. So more steps:
4) the feature of adding enchants to an already enchanted tool is now an enchanting table feature. Now enchanting is not rng, and both enchant a new tool and adding a new enchant costs some material, the materials needed depends on the enchant you want and the level of the enchant. Now this can be balanced in a lot of ways so I'll give you my take on it with a few examples: All enchants would require lapis, then you add two different material one to determine the level of the enchant and one for the type, the material for the type would be something common (at least for most enchant), for the level my idea is nothing for lv1, amethyst for lv2, quarz for lv3, ??? for lv4, and dragon breath (or diamonds??) for lv5, enchant that do not reach lv5 will scale differently following the same materials (unbreaking would follow lv1 to lv3, protection can go from lv2 to lv5). Enchanted books can be used instead of the materials in the enchanting table and you can enchant books using materials. (The materials used here are just an example and I would be happy anyway if changed). Exp would still be needed and would depend on the enchant, bookshelves would be either needed for higher level enchants or to reduce exp cost.
5) finally, you can implement the experimental features for villagers that mojang showed us, but make the mending book either relatively common loot of ancient cities or a loot for end cities.
6) bonus cool but maybe controversial idea, to add some more progression to the enchanting table itself, too obtain mid level enchants you would need something from the nether, for high level enchants something from the end (even something craftable with just netherrack and endstone just to temporary lock higher level enchants to progression). This could be in the form of an upgraded enchanting table or bookshelf.
7) another idea, make even the enchanting table not require exp. Exp would be ONLY gained when you complete an advancement and would be useless, just a way to tell "how good you are". (Exp would not be lost on death anymore).
With all those fixes mending would be both less needed and there would be two reliable way of finding it (the shorter in the correct structure, if it has to be ancient city maybe add an explorer map for it, the longer using swamp villager). Enchanting table would be way more viable than villager trading in the short term, villager trading would be more a long term option for not spending material and since the enchants are sold depending on the biome would be incredibly reliable to obtain what you want.
Now there is one last problem, netherite tools would still be hard to repair, there are a few options (described from easiest to implement to hardest):
1) boost netherite tools durability a lot (like more than 5 times) especially for armor (10 times? More?)
2) netherite tools require only diamonds to repair. (an alternative is using only scraps and not the ingot, but its an half solution imo)
3) make netherite easier to find, my idea is to add a mining potion that allows to see ores (and netherite) through blocks in a range (off course in a range that needs to be defined and to brew the potion maybe something from the end), this would make mining actually scale with progression.
4) make netherite tools actually unbreakable BUT netherite would only be found in bastion in a locked vault as ingots, so no more netherite mining. The key for the vault is either dropped by brutes, that need to respawn every once in a while, or is a bartering trade (makes less sense imo). You would need to explore 4-5 bastion to complete a set but they would be unbreakable. This would make netherite tool super precious and losing them would be a pain, so there is the need to add a a SUPER RARE treasure enchantment to solve this, soulbound when you die the item stays with you. Going for the full set would be the real final goal.
So what will happen to those skyblock players who rely to to villagers by trading diamond armor and tools using only emerald and now the nerf has emerald and diamond to trade?
No one knows, they never addressed this question.
I hope they don't implement the changes that they mentioned,It has changed my world and way I treat villagers already, I now have a trading hall, and am considering making another. ! If they break the villagers trades I don't see myself playing trying to fix their mess ...previously I enjoyed seeing the villagers in a more natural village.. Their behaviour having meetings, running out of the rain , going to the edges of a village looking like they're enjoying the view from it ..ect is amusing..
No way do I want to go hunting hundreds of blocks to get a certain trade, book ect it's ridiculous..
I have librarians that have Trident and crossbow enchantments, If they make them unobtainable from villagers,, I certainly don't want them broken as they would be probably..
Will this update affect those who already have a villager trading hall?
(Controversial Take)
I've never really liked how people have been super reliant on villagers, I feel people have been too lazy with how overpowered villagers are. Minecraft is a sandbox game, and grinding for emeralds and enchantments by being afk at a farm is just boring. (In my opinion)
The structures having exclusive enchants is super cool in my opinion, which seems to be what everyone forgot about. It actually makes you know what you're gonna get when you go to a specific structure. I feel this will make people finally stop being lazy and actually explore.
(Not sure if the loot tables tied to specific structures are in the 1.21 update, but I really hope it will)
I've tried to not use villagers all that much and my world has been fun, of course I'm not, "Doing everything at 100% efficiency! 👆🤓"
But that's the thing, it makes it fun to grind for them by exploring. If people want enchants so badly, just go into creative mode and get them if you want them so bad. No one is stopping ya!
You can play however you want, you have the tools to. But people still find a way to complain... 🤦🏻♂️
Might as well delete all the farms because iron farm is overpowered but hey, mojang made sure in the old update to make the iron farm work XD
The amount of time you took to "draw" the words in Paint when there is a text tool. :D
More fun this way :p
Hope so
I don't really mind the idea of different villagers having different enchants or different gear, but it doesn't fix the problem. It just creates a new one. Instead, fix the root causes, which are the barely useful enchanting table and repair system. I TRIED to have a world where I didn't use villagers, but after trying for many hours to get an axe with silk touch, I gave up and brought in a villager. Within 15 lectern moves I was happily buying silk touch for 13 emeralds. SMH for enchanting table!
I am one of those people that would probably stop playing if villagers trading was changed. Travelling is my least favourite activity in Minecraft to do. I don't find exploring an Infinite world entertaining. I just wanna build.
I think villager trading is overpowered and personally try to not overuse it in my latest Minecraft world. But I get to the point where I think about starting a villager trading post.
I don't like the changes, because everybody needs/wants Mending Books: So everybody is "forced" to look for that Biome and in hopes that its not 10k blocks away. It's just more tiresome not better.
I personally would change Mending so that you would need Diamonds to repair in Diamond item (idk about Netherite) but with Mending it would never be destroyed but be broken and there will no end to repair it. Mending is too powerful.
And maybe change the Enchanting Table so you got more control over it? Maybe link Minecraft items with enchantments so you could better the chance for the one you want.
A Feather for Feather Falling, Blaze Powder for Fire Protection, Prismarine Shard for Thorns, etc...
I think they've already implemented some of the villager trade upgrades into experimental. My villagers (in experimental) will only choose one of three work tables. Big village. Probably 20 villagers. And they all refuse work stations that aren't one of those three. They'll just remain in their brown garb until I give them one of the three pre-chosen work stations, and then they'll attach and change clothes. --- I can't tell you how frustrating this is. It just sucks. And this is a creative realm and I'm frustrated. I can't imagine the headache of trying to get all the trades in a survival world. Between the absolutely crappy new d-pad and the villager changes, I am pretty upset with Mojang for screwing up the game.
My friends and I started a new realm where we added the villager trading changes. It is honestly a way easier system than constantly rerolling. In our previous realm I spent no joke about 3-4 hours a day over 2 weeks trying to get efficiency 5 and finally settled for level 4 because I had completely burnt myself out of Minecraft while my friends got to do fun stuff. With the new system it takes me maybe 2-3 hours tops.
You cant get max enchantments which is completely ridiculous...
I think the community sometimes gets carried away too, I mean mojang never said they were making the villager-update,right?, it was just a snapshot that went viral?
The only thing I dont like about this is specific enchants are hidden behind biomes. That increases the grind way too much especially with how random the world generation is. I really dont like this change. I hope they change their minds on this. Maybe they can do it by implementing stronger enchants or unique items behind this biome wall, but not how they are thinking about it now. NO NO NO MOJANG! Do not make enchants biome specific.
So are potions still going to stack?
Who knows, Mojang hasn't said anything about this in like 3 years.
They (Mojang) are grooming us to accept the villager/biome/book change that IS coming. Are we not going nuts for the dogs that are biome specific? We sure are. Once we are all chomping at the bit to get the dogs and achievement for doing so. Well then going to other biomes for books ain't so bad. Well played Mojang, well played.
lol how is enchanting need to be easier? You can just build XP farm and infinitely try to get your enchantment of choices.
Everyone keeps complaining that the game is to easy but then get upset when it gets harder. If villagers in different places had different trades it would mean taking a small risk with a high reward. Maybe wandering traders could have a chance to sell some items you would usually get from certain villagers
This is honestly why I stopped playing Minecraft and making content for a while. Villager trades are such a staple feature for all levels of players. These enchantment changes would have been an overly exhausting process for the entire player base.
remember back in 1.13 where players weren't exploitative to villagers
I actually didn't mind the location locked villager trades, I just hated that you could go through all that work for sharpness III or efficiency III. Not worth it.
I think they're going to lose a lot of Minecraft players if they don't fix that think about it this way is thousands of blocks away just one biome all it takes
Until they acknowledge the community outrage over villager nerfs witch was announced with 1.21 we can't be Shure therefore I will continue to believe that it's possible
It is, but it also isn’t bedrock already on its pre-release so the updates gonna be coming out soon meaning and they already said there’s no more major features so I’m assuming the update is done we’re not getting villager trading
If they nerfed the villagers, then it will be fun to just land in their village and watch the zombie mobs do their work. Night of the living dead.
IMO Minecraft is already a super involved game that consumes a lot of time. So when they demand even more of my time by changing established features. I get pretty irritated.
Its just a game like every other game. The devs are always primed to get more new gamers. Even though the new guys rarely have any money to spend. Think about it however you want, but they dont care what the community thinks. Some devs are idiots, some arent. You play with the hand you are dealt.
It happed months ago. Villager trades suck now.
Every time they removed something from the game it has gotten worse.🎉
This change is not live in the game right now.
@@Prowl8413 The nerf to their trades already happened. The specific trades are still coming. Both changes suck.
@@RK-ck6pl the only nerf that happened so far is cost. The biome specific trades has not happened
@@Prowl8413 That's what I keep saying. That's what a nerf is LOL. Same trades just not as good.
You're talking about changing what they sell. Which is another bad move that they are making.
People keep complaining about mending being op they must have more free time than others. Not everyone has the time to constantly regrind their gear after a couple repairs. If gear was repairable without getting expensive and only grinding a few diamonds here and there thats one thing but its not.
I think I would rather try to kill two wardens at the same time
I support this update
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Do you bleach your chin, or is nature leaving that perfect white chunk?
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I’ve been playing the preview on hardcore with the trade rebalance. It’s not that bad. Found a swamp about 1000 blocks from spawn. Made a temp base and built my nether portal there. All it took was getting zombie villagers just before I beat the dragon. The cartographer trades are not giving trial chamber maps right now but not a big deal.
Mojang lazy
I like this idea because of 2 reasons, 1 there is a complete difference between gamers and fake players. 2 This new idea will push out all the fake players and allow only just gamers in minecraft.
Fake players pay to win. Gamers game to win. In other words, if you're always doing the easiest thing to get rare loot in the game, then that makes you a fake player and not a gamer. The people who actually play minecraft like to grind for their rare loot.
If you do not like to grind for rare loot in minecraft, why play the minecraft at all?
The problem with villager trading is not simply that it’s completely broken and overpowered (diamond gear should NOT be renewable), but that it’s simply a dreadfully dull mechanic to have to rely on. It drags the player out of the game and traps them in a menu system, which is not real gameplay, it’s the absence of gameplay. This becomes an especially tedious system when it’s the only way to get something like Mending, which is itself just a way to completely evade the tedious durability system, which also needs to be redesigned (items should not disappear when broken, but become “broken” and unusable until repaired, and should also cost less material to repair than to create a new item). The problems of the villager trading system is very much intertwined with the shortcomings of the game’s other systems. What we need is an Enchant system redesign, which should involve using the game’s full variety of materials, not just lapis lazuli, and preferably not rely on being stuck in a menu interface, but take place within the physics of the game.
I really like the trading system to be honest. Getting diamond armor and tools from them is much better because you can literally save your diamonds for other things. There is still other uses for diamonds. Decorations, trims, etc. Villager trading is honestly the best system since it helps you a TON. It's just my opinion really. I don't mind it being too overpowered at all. Minecraft is a sandbox game after all. Choose how you play and have creativity is all it matters.
That’s exactly why you shouldn’t be able to buy renewable diamond gear, because it inflates the volume of diamonds you have, thereby reducing the value. Diamonds should be a rare flex, not the standard. Currently diamond is so overly abundant that it’s considered a waste to even bother enchanting iron gear. And when a precious gem material is so overly abundant that it’s considered the standard material to use, it ceases to be a precious gem. @@RohesYT
It's one thing to tell people you don't like the way they're playing, it's another to try and force them to play the way you want them to. Nerfs and rebalances happen in all sorts of games, but bad nerfs and rebalances have destroyed a lot of games. "People are relying too much on Mending." Then why did you put it in the game? It's THE most useful enchantment ever. It means you don't need to keep making new armor and tools. What, do you want everything to be even more temporary than they already are? Dude, people are playing your game, A LOT, stop monkeying with minutiae. "It's too easy!" Is the point of the game to make tools and armor or is it to build and have fun?
I get why you're using the clickbait keyword "nerf" here, it feels kind of dirty though. Many veteran players used to the villager system would be displaced if these changes were implemented so I get why there's a strong negative association.
That said, the rebalancing of villager trades would establish some healthy new norms that Minecraft has shown to bear fruit. For example, finding specific items by going to specific biomes or points of interest is satisfying due to knowing what you're looking for has a high chance to be there. The villager update does this to villages. Furthermore, one of the biggest reasons diamonds lost value was because of how villager trading was implemented prior, so this rebalancing also brings value back to mining [for diamonds] instead of trading.
If the game was called Tradecraft I'd be on the side of calling these changes a nerf, but the overall ideas are beneficial to the game.
All that being said, the travel "cost" is extensive through all this, which both makes sense in an explorative open-world game but also doesn't make sense in the vastness of generation. I agree the implementation of this villager trading overhaul requires some significant adjustments to experience, enchanting tables, and enchantment costs in order to compensate and balance out all of the added travel. It is very difficult - if not impossible - for a player to enchant everything the way they wish without villagers. So, if we see development turn towards the enchanting table and enchantment costs, then the whole villager trade update would become far more appealing to the masses as well as standardize more integral systems aiding players of Minecraft. Guess we'll see what happens in the future.
Nerf is accurate, it does make villager trading harder for most players. Sometimes nerfs can be a needed thing though, to bring things back into balance.
Remember guys, these changes to trading were, according to Mojang, because 1) *some* players complained about trading being "too random", and 2) the enchanting table being too weak compared to buying books. None of the changes will fix those issues. I hope Prowl is right about the radio silence on this topic in particular.
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I would really like if this Nerf was implemented into 1.21, so all of the Tryhard people that want to get maxed out in just a couple of days can't anymore