I actually feel bad for NJH as ML in this series. It's like the show is low-key sabotaging him. The production must know how good KSH is but they still went ahead and put these two to a cry-fest.
Yep.. while NJH is overacting i think. His expression looked like he was being stabbed or after a gun shot. Doesnt sit well with me. I watched his past dramas, n i dont really like his acting. But then again, there is room for growth.
@@jojovv5854 Exactly I think NJH suits for comedy drama as a nerd! For sad drama just no no no!!! He can’t act at all. I didn’t feel anything from his crying scenes.
@@user-sk7ux1tf3t 🥱 your JP delusion getting a bit old. Either you didn't watch the whole drama without skipping or you like abrasive guys who treats less fortunate people with disrespect as long as they treat you like a princess. Anyway, I found a group of like-minded people to enjoy the drama with. So whatev. Just don't harass the actors. Don't be one of those people whose delusion extends to not being able to differentiate fiction (the characters) from reality (the actors).
@@piakennedy987 wtf?😂 you’re accusing me of harassing the actors now? I’m talking about fictional characters, you weirdo. Y’all NDS stans are so weird istg. Not only you justify his violence tendencies, you also attack people personally because they criticize him. F*ck nam do san, all my homies hate nam dosan. 😏 HJP best boy😍 Now cry about it idc😂
@@user-sk7ux1tf3t Not you personally. But I've read that other JP stans are doing so. If you're not one of them then my apology for lumping you with them crazies. I don't hate JP despite being disgusted by many of his actions. So the fact that you & your homies hate NDS, well, that's a reflection on you. If I cry I'd cry for your inability to have empathy. But as it's clear you're happy in your hate, maybe my apology for mistaking you for one of them crazy JP stans was premature. Seeya.
I think it's good for jipyeong now that he realized maybe some times his words had been real harsh. The only difference is that we got to see his character soften and made progression over 12 episodes. But now we'd only get the chance to see how do san's immaturities grow up in 4 remaining episodes, and only after 3 years time jump smh That creates big imbalances between do san and jipyeong as characters
@Bri Denixe yes that's why i hope for his progression as a character because no matter how young he was, he's still an adult and that didnt justify his action to randomly punch his mentor
Jipyeong's character is too good to be a second lead. they really make him - and us, suffer too much. from now, let just hope he gets what he deserves in the last ep..
@@rianymutiara3297 some of namzy said only intellectual is the one who understands the drama but ofc I disagree after reading ur reply. Go watch again dosan supporter 😬
It really breaks my heart when Jipyeong is the last person to know about halmoni condition. I meant from ep 1 we can see that he is halmoni fav boy. He should know sooner. Please dont give Jipyeong sad scene again. I really cant take it :(((
The fact that Jipyeong is the last person to know about Grandma’s eyesight really heartbreaking for him and all of us. He must’ve been feeling guilty. He would’ve fought and supported Noongil if he knows that it’s for Grandma since the beginning 😭😭
Why couldn't he fight for NoonGil for those who are blind too? Why only care when the grandma is hurt? Others are hurt too. He could've supported them from the beginning.
@@christineayomide45 I agree, but it must be different knowing that it’s for Grandma since she’s the closest thing to family for him. I feel like he couldn’t fight for Noongil due to some stuff that relates to business and investment, he’s a visionary after all
@@christineayomide45 again as a startup business, they need funds first... If you listened to his explanation carefully. This show is about startup and businesses, for a business to operate especially a startup, fund is essential.
@Dian Aditya Rinaldi I get it wasn't profitable, but that didn't stop Dalmi and her team for helping the blind and they were basically poor. It still won't be profitable when he decides to help NoonGil either way. So, it didn't matter it wasn't profitable, he could have supported them at least.
@@nadhilaHe didn't seem to care about those things that relate to business and investment, or that he's a visionary now. I get it was because if the grandma, but still others were blind too.
Ikr. He's a fluffy cinnamon roll in rl. Soooo different from HJP. He's a really great actor. You can never see his real persona seep through his characters.
Our Ji Pyong deserves happiness. Everyone enjoying their lives and he is bearing the burden without complaints. Why he? Start up should give happiness to, as him in first 8 episodes. His laughter has a positive effect. No.wander that he will not complain if he doesn't get Dalmi
JI PYEONG DID NOT DESERVE TO GET BEATEN UP !!! I hate how the samsan tech team complained and used the excuse that ji pyeong was being “emotional” when he gave advice because of dal mi when in fact THEY were the ones letting do san’s emotions and feelings get in the way of accepting their mentor’s advice. I know ji pyeong was harsh at times - but he shouldn’t feel bad about it, it’s literally his job. He’s supposed to tell them what they need to hear NOT what they WANT to hear.
@@camryn7023 Ji pyeong is not a saint but his words are not wrong , the Samsan tech only think he is belittling them , but they didn't actually HEAR what he was saying... Remember when chul san and yong san didn't want Dalmi to do presentation because she's not a developer and doesn't know the technical terms and if Jipyeong didn't step up and said they would fail they would not have let Dalmi as Ceo. Even during Dalmi's presentation, Jiyeong words came int Do Sans head, he knew Han jipyeong was right the three of them know nothing about sales and investors they didn't even get any investors the past 2 years and nearly got cheated if it was not for han jipyeong.han jipyeong in his own way wanted to point out they are the developers but dalmi's skills is the business strategy. They needed someone that can present to real investors to give a chance. Samsan tech are young and their ego is big...if they had just listen....suck it up when han jipyeong scold them and analyse what he said. Thats what Dalmi did and she never blame Han Jipyeong because she knew she's learning from it.Yes han jipyeong can be a jerk and yes he is harsh, and he has alternative motive but if you look back at the earlier episode through his advice he is not only helping Dalmi but Samsan tech but because their young and their emotional and ego got in the way they just didn't want to listen.
At 2:16 that thunder sound - Dhumm and the focus on Kim Seon Ho's face is so well done. You can feel that heartbreak in Kim Seon Ho's eyes and with that background sound. Man, Kim Seon Ho nailed his role. He did it brilliantly, I can't imagine anyone else playing HJP other than Kim Seon Ho. Kim Seon Ho's voice is so soothing to hear. Not to forget, I really liked Nam Joo Hyuk's acting in this scene. 💫
I would like to take this moment and commend these two actors FOR AN OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE IN THIS SCENE. Literally hands down 😭🤯 DID YA’LL SEE THE RAW EMOTIONS OF PAIN AND RAGE??? They were acting with their eyes it is CRAZY. I kept on replaying it and couldn’t focus on the character because i can’t help but admire their acting. Seriously i’m so damn proud of NJH for the huge improvement and becoming the serious actor that he is now. 💗💗 And so damn proud of KSH for finally being recognized after 12 yrs in the industry. GUYS, we wouldn’t be so riled up with anger and pain for the characters if they hadn’t portrayed it so well. Nam Dosan is for Joohyuk only. And Han Jipyeong is only for Seonho. No one else can pull this off. JUST BRAVO!!!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼 Plus, let’s all admit they freakin hot in the fighting scene.
It made me so annoyed when they acted as if Ji Pyeong was obligated to have read the acquisition contract when he wasn't even told there was one in the first place ????!!!
You know that the series is called start up right? They are just new in the industry they are bound to make mistakes and learn from it. Why are you expecting them to know it all? Starting a business requires failures. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows, that’s why they have a mentor to guide them. If you really watched it Dal mi called Ji Pyeong multiple Times to seek advise or output but where was he? Pretending to be sick after Dalmi found out that he is the Do San who wrote him letters.
They even have that lawyer girl in the group for this type of thing...guess she’s useless. I’m not just annoyed but a bit upset they blame Ji Pyeong for everything, even that one dudes brothers suicide. Dosan and his friends seem a bit mentally unstable and manipulative. I mean Dosan and his friend used physical violence on him. What an ungrateful bunch...I’m watching this for Ji Pyeong and grandma only...lost my respect for the rest.
@@dlpp9427 you do realize that there are many types of lawyers right? Did it occur to you that MAYBE she is not a lawyer that specializes in Business Contracts? Besides she did not practice LAW or even pass the bar exam, she was only a law school graduate. She’s mainly a model and designer. You can confirm her role here: www.google.com.ph/amp/s/www.hancinema.net/stephanie-lee-to-star-in-start-up-with-nam-joo-hyuk-and-bae-suzy-142207-amp.html For the 3 Engineers, they have the right to be harsh. You know why? From Episode 1-3 Jipyong always saying harsh words to them, never even said something nice to them after winning the International Competition. Jipyeong always think that he is the smartest guy in the room, don’t care about someone’s feelings. Again, Dalmi called and texted Jipyong so many times to get advise and help before signing the contract after they won the Demo day, he don’t even know they won until he answered Dal Mi’s call. You’re just one of those fans whose hype of the 2nd lead syndrome. 🤷🏽♂️ They are not manipulative, DoSan and Dalmi even rejected Mr. Han’s plan B offer because they don’t want to be complacent that there is someone that can help them even if they lose during the Demo day. It will make them feel that their hard work in sandbox is nothing if they depend on that plan B. The title is Start Up for a reason, those 5 members are new in starting up a business. Where was their mentor when they needed him? Oh yeah, he’s pretending to be sick after getting caught that he is the Do San that wrote those letters.
@@MarilaqueRider , you are in the minority. I’m Korean and all Korean comments on both RUclips and other Korean sites are all team Ji Pyeong not one is for Dosan. The violence and gaslighting deters most from agreeing with your perspective.
Yes I agree.. Each one is entitled to whom he or she likes.. What scenes are pleasing and not pleasing to each other's taste.. FAN bickerings and subtle war put spice to Fandom .. But I dislike it too.. Its too childish (maybe because of my age...) so let's not add stress to this stressful world.. Lets enjoy and love each other!!! Love Start - up and love all the casts... #NamJooHyuk #BaeSuzy
Ikr, they kept bringing not just the characters but the artist itself down. Spreading hate and all. For me, each of the characters in the show balances pretty well.. I don't get it where they get their hate.
@@ultraviolet9677 I too am surprised of these hate comments and comparison.. Maybe for the characters in the drama quite ok.to debate.. . But hate for the artists playing the characters.. It would be so unfair... ♥️♥️♥️#baesuzy #namjoohyuk
Why cant we? Wouldnt it be nice to point out characters' mistakes and faults because that's one of the sources of a story's moral value. Well but shame to those who spread hate to the actors or actresses
@@CaliLewisR No he does not. Resorting to physical means was perfectly timed. Some people need a fist in their face. HJP was one of them. After that, he was a lot more human. lol.
@@SainyaHokage No in my eyes dosan looked immature here . He hated jp of his plan b ideas and he went other way .. and when his planned backfired and asked jp for harse truth and when he told them u should take responsibility for ur own mistake he punch jp and again after fight jp gave him advice to him while he shamelessly ask for help.. i know he asked help for ajumaa but why do i feels like every time i see dosan in every ep i feels he always win with crying ..
@@SainyaHokage but he’s always been correct... and smart. Samsan Tech wouldn’t have done great (and all the other teams he criticized) if not for his nitpicking. And if only Samsan Tech didn’t become too arrogant and consulted their mentor first, or perhaps listened to him when he reached out to them, then they’d all still be together. Tears, hearts, and relationships would have been spared.
Looking jipyeong has success even he dont have privilage at all, dont have family, struggling on his own, but still manage his angry and he's success bussiness man..... he really deserve happy doesnt he? Writernim....... ceballll😢😢😭😭
He had the unconditional love of a total stranger. What other orphans have that? He was very lucky in that respect. Not even DS received unconditional love initially - if he had not been related to his parent would he have been cared for? And the fact that his Dad especially was mad with him for not achieving the success that he expected with DS's talent again shows that his love at first was conditional. Even DM wouldn't have given him a chance if Grandma & JP hadn't stolen his identity & he being the real DS. The love he received initially were all conditional. That can be harsh & burdensome as well - not to be loved for who you really are but for expectations imposed on you.
@@piakennedy987 I agree that JP was lucky to meet grandma, but her "love" for him was not unconditional. I doubt her sentiments towards him could be called "love" in the first place. And even though DS suffered due to his parents' expectations, they always loved him anyway. His mother told him that what hurt her most were not his mistakes but the fact that her son didn't come to her for consolation. Honestly, I think DS has much to be grateful for (throughout the entire story) but continues to demeen himself and his loved ones by considering them NOTHING compared to Dalmi.
The title "Start Up" was one thing that attracted many youngsters because all were interested to see how startup actually works and we might learn something buy what did we get to see? A Disney story. Nam dosan's impulsive behaviour. Dalmi's excitement to achieve something without having a plan(lol). An investor who is wasting time over a company which is a lost cause. This series revolved so much around the leads but they still couldn't get the attention of the viewers. Infact, viewers rooted for Jipyeong who isn't involved to the start up business. No hate to Nam ji hyuk. We all know he is one hell of an actor. But the problem was the character Dosan. 1. The way he failed to handle every situation. I mean you break a name plate not thinking about the repercussions you and your company can face in the future? Will this ever happen in real life? You will be booked under workplace harassment and you will pay fine and no one will ever hire you. So please, dosan shouldn't be your role model. 2. The other guy who lost his brother... He is a manchild. I'm sorry to say but that's how the world of business is. Nobody will invest their money on something that doesn't fetch them money. Investors are rude, he should have prepared himself before he thought about starting a company. Jipyeong was just doing his goddamn job. 3. Dalmi is a freking CEO and was so excited to go to Silicon valley that she forgot to read a contract on which she has to sign? Like what???? 4. Injae's screen time was so less but atleast she did a better job than many lol. 5. On the other hand, Jipyeong's character was so real and mature. He was a gentleman and that's why kim seon ho got so much attention nationwide and internationally. I know it's a hardpill to swallow for the haters. I don't know how suzy managed to win Seoul international awards for this story lol. Seo yeji is the real winner but they went for face value.
Facts facts facts!!!!! I mean no hate towards Bae Suzy, she is beautiful but I haven't seen her giving the performance that deserves accolades or awards yet.
It's really sad that he got to know it so late, he didnt get to spend time with her in the last moments she could see him, he wouldve felt so guilty 😭😭
I hate the fact that Jipyeong is being accused of killing that guy's (I don't remember his name) brother. All he did was give the guy feedback. It might have been mean, but he didn't kill him. Also, Dosan went too far. Punching Jipyeong was unnecessary.
@@lemesindong No, compare how JP gives feedback with how Ms Yoon gives feedback. His facts are dressed up with put downs, hers are delivered with logic & advice. You can highlight risks & turn down investment requests without putting people down. JP crossed the line. I will give him that it was because of his harsh upbrining & not out of malice. But nonetheless he's unfit to be mentor until he learns to communicate better. Perhaps this shows an East West divide. The East seems to accept bullying as part of the tough love package. While bullying does still exist in the West, we frown upon it as not something to strive for. There's isn't a right or wrong approach, both can be good or bad depending on the circumstances & both can produce success or failure depending on the circumstances.
@@piakennedy987 Jipyeong didn’t bully the guy; he was frank but not harsh or cruel. Definitely he didn’t commit verbal abuse. He was doing his job as “mentor” and a true teacher would point out to his student that he didn’t do things correctly. How the teacher delivers his admonition is another matter, but in the case of Jipyeong he wasn’t abusive. Dosan’s friend apologizes to Jipyeong toward the end and says he was just looking for someone to blame his brother’s death.
I think everyone needs a mentor like Mr. Han ji pyeong . He is always ready to help them. He is incredibly intelligent, smart, handsome & off course a good human being. I'm in love with him 💕💕💕💕😘😘😘😘😍😍😍.
The acting was phenomenal here, I literally had chills all over my arms and tears in my eyes during this part of the episode. You see the pain and horror in Jipyeong's face, god 😭 She is like his own mother/grandma figure 💔
Perfect scene really. Dosan cant gulping properly and straighting up hardly with crawling in desperate. Very tough acting. Jipyeong still giving advice calmly and shocked with breathing hardly. Very soft acting. Your different acting ways are perfect, guys! 💓
no one deserve to hurt jipyeong. I mean his an orphan who knew dalmi's grandma and that money he won+given by the orphanage. he could've become a flop but he endured all the shit by himself and has come to the level now he is in.🥺😭
He has talent. But he was also very lucky to get Grandma's unconditional love - a total stranger to him who he was rude to. He did not do it all by himself. He had luck on his side as well. Good on him for making the most of his luck with his talent & hard work. Other orphans weren't as lucky. Good to see him finally showing compassion towards the less fortunate rather than sticking with the attitude of I earned all of this, I deserve my success & I owe nothing to society, and deserve to treat subordinates & the less fortunate with disrespect.
I dont really know what do the writers want to convey by making dosan this emotional to the point of physical violence. But I'm pretty sure in real life Do San wouldn't survive the business world lol
@@belysnicole2492 I don’t like cold guys. Actually, I like nice ones and married to one. I have a huge problem with people trying to portray what he did as a person who showed feeling and emotions. You guys are hugely misguided about that. A guy who cheat in an exam and keeps dwelling about his mistake of cheating instead of admitting to it and taking the responsibility is not a guy in touch with his feelings! A guy who hit, punch and fight his mentor in any respected country such as South Korea will be held accountable to his actions. I had mentors before and the base of the relationship is respect. If I did what he did, I would have been banned from my research and maybe gone to jail! And again that’s not a guy in touch with his feeling. And I’m not going to start with the absurdity of the genius guy they tried to portrayed that goes to the US and becomes big in 3 years and get back rich to his home country! I live in the US and have a genius cousin too who works in those big Silicon Valley companies. Guess what, he never hit a mentor, he would actually have a criminal record for that! he is almost 30 and still at entry level in one of those big companies because he is not that of different with companies attracting talents all over the world. he makes good money but almost half of his income is paid into taxes and he still lives home to be able to save for the future! Also, there is a huge difference between a person being cold and a person being reserved. It looks like many people missing to understand the difference.
The writer of Startup might came up with the idea of... "What if we make the first male lead quality into the second male lead?" "... And let's put the handsome and lovable actor as the first male lead so that fans are going crazy to choose which one they love more" And they succeeded in making the fans go crazy 😂 Seriously, Jipyeong has 100% first male lead quality. He is a hard worker, handsome, rich, selfless, even had a pitiful past. Moreover, the past story started with him. Making this character as the second lead is indeed a smart move so that this drama doesn't become cliche. But my heart breaks for him everytime 😭 he deserves to be happy. It's okay whether he ends up with dalmi or not.
Jipyong is looser he always insults someone's dream and he think he's always right and kept himself as a successful businessman but he was wrong Nam do san proved him wrong in the end. Nam do san shows us never stop chasing your dream no matter what other says.
Lets admit it. This scene and the whole of Start Up is carried by Ji Pyeong and Grandma. I'm sorry but this is got to be the biggest second lead syndrome in history
copypasted from reddit! Just a realization after the 12th episode: You know why people are sympathizing more with HJP? It's not because of his orphan background but because his character always appeared strong despite his sad past. Not once in the past 12 episodes did he use any of his sad parts in life to get sympathy from other people, especially from Dalmi or halmeoni. His orphan background is what we, as viewers, bring up but HJP as a character actually never wanted people to pity him that's why he never brings up his past. And why do a lot of people dislike NDS' character? Because he actually uses sympathy to get out from the consequences of his actions, for people to understand and forgive him. For lying to Dalmi, he makes the apology out of his 'helplessness' because she's "the only good thing" in his life because he has been suffering from guilt and impostor syndrome since he was a child (bus stop scene & his speech to Injae for Dalmi to hear). Then, after punching HJP because he needed to divert his anger on himself to another person, he brings up halmeoni to get his sympathy to help them and for HJP to forget about this punching thing as totally his (NDS) fault. Without that emotional moment about halmeoni, HJP would not feel guilty and could even report NDS to the police for assault over him telling them hard truths as their mentor.
And Just a realization, Ji Pyeong is dishonest with his feelings because of his experience, while Do San, is honest and Innocent because of his nature. It is scary when people highlights other's telling of truth as a form of sympathy seeking, deceit and manipulation while they overly romanticizes someone's choice of words. Please rewatch the drama and analyze the relationship between the two from the beginning. Don't focus on the romance. Ji Pyeong and Dalmi became connected because of Halmeoni and He became connected with dosan because of dalmi. Ji Pyeong and Dosan did not really get along well. It means all the help of Ji pyeong flowed because of dalmi and halmonie. Now, remove dalmi's love story from the equation, let alone just business. I doubt the two will never meet and Ji Pyeong will never become their mentor. I really enjoyed Ji Pyeong's character because he is a person I wanted to be. Meanwhile, I am uncomfortable watching Do San because I can see myself through him. Wa have a side of ourselves we want to change and Do San clearly reflected that. That is why I can say he is more of a relatable character. Please don't hate him. Believe me, we are just like him. We just don't want to admit it. That is why we like Ji Pyeong because we wanted to be like him.
Do San has ager management issues, is always finding excuses for his behavior, he won' take accountability for his actions... To me, at his 28-29 years old... he is is off. Besides, accepting the offer not wanting "a plan B" while Dal-mi is preparing to get investors is exactly going for a plan B...
@@CaliLewisR I agree. I think that’s why I have such a hard time getting behind him as the main lead. Because he reminds me more of a child, not taking responsibility, when he should be an adult. So I see Dal mi always having to carry the relationship rather than having a partner. JP may not be the one for her,but at this point, I’d rather she be alone. She deserves better than this man child.
But Dosan started punching jipyeong was not the right thing tho. Even they are about the same age, jipyeong is still his senior and even his mentor. Dosan shouldn't do this far, and what jipyeong said to dalmi was not wrong too. I really don't like dosan and his friends at this time bcs all'em are blaming jipyeong TT.TT They come to jipyeong only when they need him. But still they didn't respect him at all. Poor him .
Exactly and he seems hate and so mean to Ji Pyeong .. everytime he Sees him.. while i don’t see anything hated from Ji Pyeong to dosan he actually help them a lot in silent.. how gentlemen he is..
Actually in the show dosan is much younger than ji pyeong, both of them have joked before about how ji pyeong is in his 30s while dosan is still in his 20s or sth
Being young, people are allowed to make mistakes and they are forgiven for those mistakes too... But committing the same mistakes again and again, not acceptable.. These kind of immaturity leads to so many heartbreaks..💔
@@twiceina6602 lol same I thought it would be about Seo Dal Mi and Won In Jae's rivalry in business and family drama lol Who knows that WIJ even got much lesser time screen than SDM, HJP, and NDs
Start - Up remains to be #1 in Netflix for PH and everybody is excitedly awaiting the remaining episodes. It is wholesome ... the struggles and challenges of each character in the story are worth contemplating and which can be turned into positive insights for young adults.. The romantic side of the story is necessary to break the monotony and add spice to the story which is well- written by my Fav script writer... #Just expressing my views♥️ #namjoohyuk#baesuzy
Honestly I'm so pissed with this scene, the fight was so unnessary and it made me rethink every other good qualities in Dosan, after this I can only see him as a reckless and childish kid. What right did he have to punch JiPyeong? Didn't all of this accquihire mess happen because of Samsantech? Dosan is the one who's so offensed by JiPyeong's offer, that he doesn't need JiPyeong help because of his own ego, so he got trick that Alex would bring the whole team if he agreed with his offer. And Dalmi was the one who signed the contract without consulating with JiPyeong - THEIR MENTOR. And Yongsan? Don't even get me started🤦♀️Separate your fellings with your work they said, but isn't that what JiPyeong always does and they don't? They treated Jipyeong as if he's a sinner when obviously he's the one who looked over Samsantech more than anyone else, even right from the start without him, their technology would have been robbed. Tbh the only reasons I keep watching this drama is because of HJP, the storyline and lessons about start up but now, everything just seem to be all over the place. For the rest episodes, I just hope the best for JiPyeong.
True to this actually Alex already told Dosan that he cannot bring all of them. Yet he pursue with the contract without thinking or asking Alex twice,what a shame!! I feel really bad for Hjp. Yongsan is also to blame if he didn't stop Hjp from calling Dalmi then Hjp would be their savior again....
@@Kate-wt7sb Yeah and Alex also said he's not a philanthropist, so even if 2STO really did make an acquisition rather than acquihire, there's also no chance for them to continue Noongil. The writer'd better make them mature real fast the next 3 years or else this whole start-up thing really is gonna a mess, the mains are too naive to even be in the business
This was the reason why I stopped watching at ep 10. I read comments first before I watch new episode and team Jipyeong were all furious about this fight. I don't wanna end up hating NamDoSan for real so I just dropped the drama and went to marathon 2D1N for Kim SeonHo.
@@juliemartinez6409 Great decision. I watched until the end just to see how they'd wrap things up for Jipyeong but it was a total disappointment. As much as I love Jipyeong, I don't think I'll ever watch this drama again, too painful and unfair😥
Even if you think Ji pyeong was harsh ( which in my opinion he wasn’t), you don’t beat up your superiors/ mentor. Violence is not acceptable. And if Dosan can’t take not sugar coated constructive criticism, which proven most of the time right, since Ji pyeong saved their asses so many times, he should forget about business and start ups.
I'm not sorry for Dosan. He need to admit his mistake instead of throw a tantrum towards Ji Pyeong. Okay. Now give us jipyeong haelmoni scene. I'm ready to cry again. That scene make me bawled my eyes out of nowhere no matter how much I watch it.
Yes if only he admit his mistakes that would make big difference about his character. He always acted like he was a victim. If he admitted, that would be a nice progression proof
What mistake did he do? Jipyong was the first person who approached him! And dosan genuinely wanted to help dalmi. I don't even blame the grandma for starting the letter. It's dalmi mother who should take all the blame😡😡🤬and the fact that she HAD THE AUDACITY TO COME BACK WAOWWWWWW!!!! I CAN'T!!!!!
Gosh Nam joohuyk acting is superb 🥺 my heart goes to him everytime he cries and i hate how people insult him because they dont like his caractere, he even ask him for help for the grandma when hjp didn’t wanted to help them in the first place he love dalmi and her grandma sooo much 🥺🥺😭
IKR. Maybe I'm showing my liberal west feminist bias, but I much prefer a guy who's in touch with his emotion & is full of compassion & empathy than a repressed, arrogant, rich pricks like JP even though I have sympathy for him because of his tough childhood. So glad he grew a bit towards the end of the story. But yeah, DS is my cuppa!
So this whole drama is crap except han ji pyoung... I literally cried for this character. He is really a good boy and only gentleman in this drama. Hero material
he’s lucky jipyeong didn’t end up suing him. after that smashing incident with the chairman dosan should’ve known better not to use violence to solve his problem lol i’m in fURY
@@msgreentea7189 I remember when he was violent too with Chulsan (who didn’t want to give his share to Dalmi). They are so immature. If Jipyeong didn’t help them they would all fail. Jipyeong asked Dalmi to record the meeting.
I think we all like ji pyeong because he never ruined the title start up with his feelings for dal mi. ji pyeong never tried to make the other characters put down or tried to break them up for his feelings. While on other hand do-san always made decisions based on him getting closer to dalmi, like the one with Alex. He never gave respect to ji pyeong who helped the start up a lot. those who complain ji pyeong words are harsher, god he is their mentor and a successful person, just to get a piece of advice like that is something to be felt grateful.
What drama were you watching? I saw the total opposite. And JP is not the best mentor for a start up because he only has the cruel investor hat on. Investors are only after profit & shareholder values. Start ups may be about making the world better & unproven technology. JP has no appetite for risk, doesn't know how to harness DS's potentials. Alex would have been a much better mentor since he understand DS's achievements better, though personally I like Ms Yoon as well. JP was nothing but negative with DS & even went as far as wanting them to give away their company to DM, someone who only has HS degree, no proven business track record, haven't slaved away 2 years developing the technology that won them an international prize. How can you be so heartless to think that is fair? Would you give your company away if your were DS? Would you happily accept JP's assessment of you as a loser who should just give up your dreams & get a job? As for JP being more professional & not letting personal feelings run things, first he has to be honest with himself and others that he as feelings for DM. I suppose you're right that initially he didn't do any of the inconvenient & out of character things for DM. But it was still personal - it was for Grandma. Would a professional & rational investor who only has profits in his eyes go out of his way if there wasn't a personal reason for this? Help SST my a**. It was all for his personal reasons. Any benefit they receive was a by-product not his main intention. He has no interest nurturing startups. He turned Ms Yoon's mentorship request downs previously. He denied he ever wanted to be start up's sherpa when DS asked him initially. How can you be so blinded by your bias fo JP? He has less qualification to be a startup mentor than IJ. He had never built a business, only invested in other people's businesses. He could walk away from stuggling startups, where as founders have to make it work. IJ has therelevant business experience. So does Ms Yoon by the sound of it. They both would have been better mentor than JP. Good luck to you if you think JP is what good start up mentors look like. Unless you have the fighting spirit to go against his "advice" you would not have even made a start with his over-cautiousness & put-downs.
@@piakennedy987 I was looking for this comment. It's like everyone is walking around with blinders on insisting he was only doing his job.He wasn't there mentors when he was constantly calling them a loser, they only won whenever they didn't take his advice. He was a total tool.
I think the biggest concern of nam is his charisma he might be good at acting but lacks at punch and maybe that is why hjp is much more loved becauae of kim seonho
Oh my God.. It's their character.. Why are you targeting the actors? It's not even like you're the ones acting so why are you criticizing so much? You're not even in their place.. Just because you like the other person does not mean you can downgrade others...
@@reikiriyama977 just because of this one drama series, you are concluding? You're too biased.. Have you even seen all of his movies? I guess not.. So how can you criticize that much? You probably have seen only this drama because of what you're saying.. I think you should do a movie marathon and see for yourself... Hypocrite
@@abhipsapanigrahi2079 wow so what if they change places and change characters? What do you think will happen.. It's how they portray their character.. I bet if they change places hahaha you will change your bias.. Don't justify your answer because I know you willl.. It's how people's mind work
Shhhh, don't let JP stans see this confesssion! They'd label you a crybaby loser! But I applaud you for having a heart & not afraid to engage with emotions.
I'm convinced kdrama producers take amazing actors as second leads cause they know the hallyu stars lack screen presence. I mean both true beauty and startup had such classy and amazing second leads and their acting was top notch. Glad we're noticing second leads too and they're finally getting the recognition they deserve
This scene gives me split feelings. I understand that Dosan was already upset enough and Jipyeong's words were like rubbing salt into his wound (which is irony, because Jipyeong said some facts at that time because Yongsan asked for it), so I kinda want to understand why Dosan picks a fight with Jipyeong. The anger and emotions have built since long time ago, and this time Dosan just explodes. But I don't justify what he does is correct, though. I just understand enough his feelings at that moment. If he really cares for NoonGil because of Halmeoni, Dosan should trust Jipyeong that he will lead Samsan Tech as mentor for better since the first time. I know, Jipyeong's harsh words hurt and have discouraged them, but I think this is the point where both sides should put their egos behind and be more mature. Jipyeong should learn how to spit out facts without provoking or degrading them with harsh words (he could, but ONLY if necessary. It's his job anyway). Dosan needs to separate his emotions and think clearly before making any decisions, especially when running a business But yeah, if we see those growth already, maybe there wouldn't be enough content for 16 episodes. Growth need process too, so let's see what stories the drama would bring to us for the last 4 episodes.
Except JP's response to NG from the beginng is don't do it because it's unprofitable. JP had not found compassion in his heart, only a debt to Grandma. DS would have had to break his promise to Grandma to convince JP to help. Also, I don't think it's his job as a mentor to be so harsh. As an investor maybe. But not as a mentor. Ms Yoon demonstrated a better way to deliver hard truths. She also understand that not all ventures are about profits & shareholder values. If JP's perspective is 100% right then we should be rooting for IJ instead of DM. But yeah, it would benefit DS to mature professionally. But he has already made big stride as a person from a geek who doesn't get metaphors to taking risks in love and business within the space of a few months. Considering how DM was stuck on an imaginary BF for 15 years I think we shouldn't be harsher on DS than we are on DM.
Probs to Nam Joo Hyuk in this scene. Nam Do San is doing his best to convey the secret he held onto while trying to not break down from the shit that just happened earlier in the episode.
I get it that Dosan wants to protect Dalmi but there’s no point of fighting with Jipyeong and beating him up like that to prove himself. What’s been done is done.
Damn. When he cries/look crying tho. Its like a cup of water starting to fill in then over flow. Slowly but surely it will get you! The res eyes then tears flow… shit! He is GOOD!!
honestly i don't even understand why people call hjp harsh. I'm someone who doesn't believe you have to be aggressive to get your point across, but the whole time in the show I really admired the way he spoke. Maybe there were a few times he did go a tad bit far, but they were when he was genuinely angry or too personally invested. As a mentor if he didn't speak that way then the company would be ruined. Businesses aren't run with kind compliments and sugarcoating. He speaks the way he does because he KNOWS how to make them succeed. That's why I appreciated Dalmi always saying she found him helpful, and that's why i find the three engineers childish. if i had a mentor like him i'd be so incredibly grateful smh
This scene made me still think of them as brothers despite the shows aggressive desire to make them enemies. They needed to get that pent up frustration out, Dosan threw the first punch but Jipyeong shoved him and bumped before that he's no angel lol (plus he's been putting him down forever) but I loved that once the fight was over and the aggression was out they could have a conversation and someone finally told JP what what was going on. This scene reminded me of so many of my guy friends, they just make up after a fight.
HJP: You want my help after beating me up like this? Does this make sense to you? No it doesn't. Not at all. Beating him up for something not his fault was the first nonsense and the audacity to ask help next thing? are we supposed to appreciate all this just because what he's the main lead? idk anymore.
@@tkvlog5550 he is her mentor lol, and like she said, his words helped her a lot. If she has a problem, she can take it up with him herself, she's perfectly capable of speaking up for herself. She ain't need no Knight in shining armour to beat jipyeong up for her. Just admit that Dosan is immature, childish and has anger problems lol.
@@tkvlog5550 how is telling criticism and facts harsh? Yes he could have said things in a less harsh way and also what's so wrong about telling Dalmi criticism? That's his job, he isn't like that one male lead who's immature and likes to involve his personal feelings with work
This is why people hate Do San. Do San punches and yells at HJP because Do San said somethings Do San told him to say. At the end, it was Do San's fault this contract went through. He was happy with it. He was okay with it. He thought he was going to get everything without Han because of his jealously. But it was his jealously that lead to this. Remember - he said he didn't want a "Plan B".
He accepts it, that's why in the penultimate chapter he says that he was wrong when he was swimming without a map, but it was also wonderful. Do san is the imperfect protagonist who in the end achieves success against all odds, that is the message of the story and I think it is a very encouraging message for many of us who are a bit like the protagonist !! I don't understand why they dislike this character!
@@asiong2752 What methods? Dalmi's letter were witten by Dalmi's grandmother and Han Ji-pyeong and there was a good intention behind it, I don't think that writing them was a crime. The whole story is full of good messages, about life and work. I don't believe that navigating without a map is a crime, I think it's something liberating, you don't hurt anyone, maybe you go back but then you take impulse to go forward.
@@giulietta3112 how will all of this justify punching hjp? Wait, he did break a name plate at workplace. Wow, that's so relatable, inspiring and also gives a very encouraging message about rage issues😂
@@izzy8674 Was Ji-pyeong sweet to Do-san?I would say he was cruel, and not only to Do-san, he has that way of commenting on others so violent, that caused the death of Kim Yong-sang’s brother; he realized that mistake. I don’t advocate violence, I think Do-san acted immaturely by fighting and venting his anger on Han, too, after a comment Han made at an inappropriate time. Do san is a character that grows in the story, he is not perfect, he fascinated me, I am not perfect either and many times I felt as depressed as Do-san, this character has inspired me not to be defeated.
The irony is in the beginning of the show we see Han Ji-pyeong begging Nam Do-San to act as him for grandmas sake. Now it’s reversed. Nam Do-San is begging Han Ji-pyeong for grandmas sake.
Ouch....JP...he us still so professionally giving advice to dosan n he also acknowledge dosan IT skills. Why can't DS appreciate him instead of always hostile to JP
The fight scene is just an action input. It is unnecessary... It makes Dosan's character seem more immature. I think I need to rewatch weightlifting fairy Kim Bok Joo to un-hate Nam Joo Hyuk. His character affected my view on him as an actor
Lol yes, I rewatch the kim bok joo just to remind me that the one is annoying is nam do san and not nam joo hyuk. Huaaa dosan anger management issue is really annoying here. Hopefully in the rest of episode we can see dosan become calmer, not someone who would punch or break something easily ✌
@@rjm2663 His character in The Light in Your Eyes is a big challenge. It's a big jump for his acting skills but he played it off. I just wish instead of putting him in romance genres, he should be put in genres that will make his acting shine. NJH is someone who's hard to find a romantic chem with other actors but he is indeed a promising actor.
tRUEE like accept that jipyeong is not wrong. accept that the boys were too emotional. accept that they made a mistake. accept the factz. accept the reality.
Eoljimaaa, Han Jipyeong! Even Seo Dalmi cried a lot when she knew about Ms. Choi condition. We know a Good Boy always hurt but strong deep inside. You're still the best Mentor, Mr. Han!
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The heartbreak NEVER ends 😭
Jipyeong & Dosan both are hurting each other. 😭😭😭 Where is the bromance like earlier episodes? ☹️
Please make jipyeong happy, writernim
@@astridd2888 YES PLEASE!!
Please upload jipyeong and grandma’s scene please 🥺🥺🥺❤️❤️❤️
PLS UPLOAD JP AND HALMONNIE SCENE WHERE HE WAS APOLOGISING TO GRANDMA. 🙏
the only positive thing coming out form this fight is KIM SEON HO’S ACTING GETTING MORE RECOGNITION BECAUSE HE IS AMAZING
I actually feel bad for NJH as ML in this series. It's like the show is low-key sabotaging him. The production must know how good KSH is but they still went ahead and put these two to a cry-fest.
He is going to be in a drama in 2021 where he’ll be playing the main role
he really stole the show...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😀
@@shalinideetiratne7135 yes, please 🙏🙏
bro seonho’s acting- he didn’t cry in this scene but you can see the heartbreak in his eyes
Yep.. while NJH is overacting i think. His expression looked like he was being stabbed or after a gun shot. Doesnt sit well with me. I watched his past dramas, n i dont really like his acting. But then again, there is room for growth.
@@jojovv5854 Exactly I think NJH suits for comedy drama as a nerd! For sad drama just no no no!!! He can’t act at all. I didn’t feel anything from his crying scenes.
I think he is ashamed. Because Do San wants to help Grandma While he was not interested
idk if you noticed, but jipyeong only cries in front of grandma 🥺
@@zhkdlsoo wow.. good observation.. i never realised tht 🤔🤔🤔
The fact that he beat him up but he's still giving him advice .this man is a diamond
The fact that DS asked for help even though he just started a fight with JP shows how much he cared about DM & Grandma. That boy is an Unicorn!
@@piakennedy987 are you being sarcastic? Bcs he was a jerk in this scene lmao
@@user-sk7ux1tf3t 🥱 your JP delusion getting a bit old. Either you didn't watch the whole drama without skipping or you like abrasive guys who treats less fortunate people with disrespect as long as they treat you like a princess. Anyway, I found a group of like-minded people to enjoy the drama with. So whatev. Just don't harass the actors. Don't be one of those people whose delusion extends to not being able to differentiate fiction (the characters) from reality (the actors).
@@piakennedy987 wtf?😂 you’re accusing me of harassing the actors now? I’m talking about fictional characters, you weirdo.
Y’all NDS stans are so weird istg. Not only you justify his violence tendencies, you also attack people personally because they criticize him.
F*ck nam do san, all my homies hate nam dosan. 😏
HJP best boy😍
Now cry about it idc😂
@@user-sk7ux1tf3t Not you personally. But I've read that other JP stans are doing so. If you're not one of them then my apology for lumping you with them crazies.
I don't hate JP despite being disgusted by many of his actions. So the fact that you & your homies hate NDS, well, that's a reflection on you.
If I cry I'd cry for your inability to have empathy. But as it's clear you're happy in your hate, maybe my apology for mistaking you for one of them crazy JP stans was premature. Seeya.
citing knetz comment under theqoo article:
"It's frustrating because Han-Ji Pyeong, who only speaks the right words, is treated as a sinner in drama."
And they were right
I think it's good for jipyeong now that he realized maybe some times his words had been real harsh. The only difference is that we got to see his character soften and made progression over 12 episodes.
But now we'd only get the chance to see how do san's immaturities grow up in 4 remaining episodes, and only after 3 years time jump smh
That creates big imbalances between do san and jipyeong as characters
@Bri Denixe yes that's why i hope for his progression as a character because no matter how young he was, he's still an adult and that didnt justify his action to randomly punch his mentor
agree, so frustrating to watch
😔😔jipyeong
ji pyeong ain't even crying but the sorrow in his eyes has me bawling
Jipyong, you’re too good for this drama. They don’t deserve you 😪
yeah just kick out him from this drama.....be a prince i9n white horse ...AND THE NAME IS NOT START UP
he have a lot of drama but never been recognize he was even the main lead but never been this popular so what made you think "they don't deserve you"
ronald dumaog i'm talking about Jipyeong here, it's pretty clear what I meant.
@@SassybunnieYW you were talking about the whole drama not only about HJP
if you are not, better change or rephrase your sentence
ronald dumaog no.
Jipyeong's character is too good to be a second lead. they really make him - and us, suffer too much. from now, let just hope he gets what he deserves in the last ep..
SUFFER? suffer like what....all he wants frombeginning is TO BE RICH...he do RICH....
@@rianymutiara3297 huh? Bye hater. Honestly, you’re so toxic. JP has never once mentioned money
@@rianymutiara3297 cause everyone who wants to be rich is evil right? 🙄 don't comment if you just watched the first 2 episodes
@@rianymutiara3297 shut up NJH fanatic
@@rianymutiara3297 some of namzy said only intellectual is the one who understands the drama but ofc I disagree after reading ur reply.
Go watch again dosan supporter 😬
It really breaks my heart when Jipyeong is the last person to know about halmoni condition. I meant from ep 1 we can see that he is halmoni fav boy. He should know sooner. Please dont give Jipyeong sad scene again. I really cant take it :(((
The difference between JP and DS:
Dosan loves Grandma bcause of Dalmi.
Jipyeong loves Grandma bcause of Grandma.
He is like:dalmi's grandmother
While Ji Pyeong is like:Grandmother
Indeed..
Halmeoni loves Ji Pyeong because he is Ji Pyeong.
Halmeoni loves Do San because he is Dal Mi's boyfriend.
@@metriapuspita you got it right!!!
@@metriapuspita their(grandma&JP)love towards each other is way more genuine than between Dalmi and Dosan
The fact that Jipyeong is the last person to know about Grandma’s eyesight really heartbreaking for him and all of us. He must’ve been feeling guilty. He would’ve fought and supported Noongil if he knows that it’s for Grandma since the beginning 😭😭
Why couldn't he fight for NoonGil for those who are blind too? Why only care when the grandma is hurt? Others are hurt too. He could've supported them from the beginning.
@@christineayomide45 I agree, but it must be different knowing that it’s for Grandma since she’s the closest thing to family for him. I feel like he couldn’t fight for Noongil due to some stuff that relates to business and investment, he’s a visionary after all
@@christineayomide45 again as a startup business, they need funds first... If you listened to his explanation carefully. This show is about startup and businesses, for a business to operate especially a startup, fund is essential.
@Dian Aditya Rinaldi I get it wasn't profitable, but that didn't stop Dalmi and her team for helping the blind and they were basically poor. It still won't be profitable when he decides to help NoonGil either way. So, it didn't matter it wasn't profitable, he could have supported them at least.
@@nadhilaHe didn't seem to care about those things that relate to business and investment, or that he's a visionary now. I get it was because if the grandma, but still others were blind too.
the way i ended my sorrowness how they always make Jipyeong sad in Start Up is watching 2D1N and see he laughs and smiles there LOL
Ikr. He's a fluffy cinnamon roll in rl. Soooo different from HJP. He's a really great actor. You can never see his real persona seep through his characters.
SAMEEEEE
Saaammee here..
Ikr, sometimes I think it's better for me to watch his variety show than this series
The drama wouldn't have been great without do San or jipheong they both did very well in their respective characters
Our Ji Pyong deserves happiness. Everyone enjoying their lives and he is bearing the burden without complaints. Why he? Start up should give happiness to, as him in first 8 episodes. His laughter has a positive effect. No.wander that he will not complain if he doesn't get Dalmi
I knew I would love Jipyeong all the way the first time I saw his character. Love this Soft boi
JI PYEONG DID NOT DESERVE TO GET BEATEN UP !!! I hate how the samsan tech team complained and used the excuse that ji pyeong was being “emotional” when he gave advice because of dal mi when in fact THEY were the ones letting do san’s emotions and feelings get in the way of accepting their mentor’s advice. I know ji pyeong was harsh at times - but he shouldn’t feel bad about it, it’s literally his job. He’s supposed to tell them what they need to hear NOT what they WANT to hear.
@@reader6821 that is immaturity and they need to grow up and act like men not little boys
everyone acts like ji pyeong is a saint and hardly criticizes nam do san
@@camryn7023 what-
It's understandable if they make mistake because they are still young. What I can't understand is the disrespectful towards their mentor.
@@camryn7023 Ji pyeong is not a saint but his words are not wrong , the Samsan tech only think he is belittling them , but they didn't actually HEAR what he was saying... Remember when chul san and yong san didn't want Dalmi to do presentation because she's not a developer and doesn't know the technical terms and if Jipyeong didn't step up and said they would fail they would not have let Dalmi as Ceo. Even during Dalmi's presentation, Jiyeong words came int Do Sans head, he knew Han jipyeong was right the three of them know nothing about sales and investors they didn't even get any investors the past 2 years and nearly got cheated if it was not for han jipyeong.han jipyeong in his own way wanted to point out they are the developers but dalmi's skills is the business strategy. They needed someone that can present to real investors to give a chance. Samsan tech are young and their ego is big...if they had just listen....suck it up when han jipyeong scold them and analyse what he said. Thats what Dalmi did and she never blame Han Jipyeong because she knew she's learning from it.Yes han jipyeong can be a jerk and yes he is harsh, and he has alternative motive but if you look back at the earlier episode through his advice he is not only helping Dalmi but Samsan tech but because their young and their emotional and ego got in the way they just didn't want to listen.
KIM SEONHO ACTING 2:17- 2:45
HIS EYES TELL MORE THAN 1000 WORDS TT^TT
kudos to Jipyeong still giving business tip after getting punched, since this is a “startup” story and he’s a business mentor...
I am always amazed by Kim Seon Ho's acting. Most probably because he used to be a stage actor for a long time before he debuted on tv in 2017. 👏👏👏♥♥♥
At 2:16 that thunder sound - Dhumm and the focus on Kim Seon Ho's face is so well done. You can feel that heartbreak in Kim Seon Ho's eyes and with that background sound. Man, Kim Seon Ho nailed his role. He did it brilliantly, I can't imagine anyone else playing HJP other than Kim Seon Ho. Kim Seon Ho's voice is so soothing to hear. Not to forget, I really liked Nam Joo Hyuk's acting in this scene. 💫
This scene broke my heart......his face after he got to know....you can just tell that as if he's world had collapsed 😭😭
Idk how to many times ppl gonna say this but KIM SEONHO ACTING IS INSANELY GOOD, HES PRO AF
I would like to take this moment and commend these two actors FOR AN OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE IN THIS SCENE. Literally hands down 😭🤯 DID YA’LL SEE THE RAW EMOTIONS OF PAIN AND RAGE??? They were acting with their eyes it is CRAZY. I kept on replaying it and couldn’t focus on the character because i can’t help but admire their acting. Seriously i’m so damn proud of NJH for the huge improvement and becoming the serious actor that he is now. 💗💗 And so damn proud of KSH for finally being recognized after 12 yrs in the industry. GUYS, we wouldn’t be so riled up with anger and pain for the characters if they hadn’t portrayed it so well. Nam Dosan is for Joohyuk only. And Han Jipyeong is only for Seonho. No one else can pull this off. JUST BRAVO!!!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼
Plus, let’s all admit they freakin hot in the fighting scene.
Why does Ji Pyeong looks so HOT?
🤣🤣IKR
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Couldn't agree moree 😂😂♥️♥️
I was reading sad comments and then laughed so hard and couldn’t agree more😂😂😂
this scene had me weeping so hard🖐🏼😩
Even he is beaten he still gave his advice to dosan😭, jipyeong best boy
This fist fight is sooo uncalled for...but a beaten up Han Ji Pyeong still managed to look sexy cool 😎🥰
I’ve never agreed with a comment more
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Nam Dosan: dID yOu REalLy hAd tO SaY tHat?!?!?!
Ji Pyeong knowing that Noon Gil was for Grandma was so heartbreaking. This scene was so emotional, actually the whole Episode 12 was so emotional😭
It made me so annoyed when they acted as if Ji Pyeong was obligated to have read the acquisition contract when he wasn't even told there was one in the first place ????!!!
Ikr , he basically ran to them to read the contract and ran to them again to stop it.
You know that the series is called start up right? They are just new in the industry they are bound to make mistakes and learn from it. Why are you expecting them to know it all? Starting a business requires failures. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows, that’s why they have a mentor to guide them. If you really watched it Dal mi called Ji Pyeong multiple Times to seek advise or output but where was he? Pretending to be sick after Dalmi found out that he is the Do San who wrote him letters.
They even have that lawyer girl in the group for this type of thing...guess she’s useless. I’m not just annoyed but a bit upset they blame Ji Pyeong for everything, even that one dudes brothers suicide. Dosan and his friends seem a bit mentally unstable and manipulative. I mean Dosan and his friend used physical violence on him. What an ungrateful bunch...I’m watching this for Ji Pyeong and grandma only...lost my respect for the rest.
@@dlpp9427 you do realize that there are many types of lawyers right? Did it occur to you that MAYBE she is not a lawyer that specializes in Business Contracts? Besides she did not practice LAW or even pass the bar exam, she was only a law school graduate. She’s mainly a model and designer. You can confirm her role here: www.google.com.ph/amp/s/www.hancinema.net/stephanie-lee-to-star-in-start-up-with-nam-joo-hyuk-and-bae-suzy-142207-amp.html
For the 3 Engineers, they have the right to be harsh. You know why? From Episode 1-3 Jipyong always saying harsh words to them, never even said something nice to them after winning the International Competition. Jipyeong always think that he is the smartest guy in the room, don’t care about someone’s feelings. Again, Dalmi called and texted Jipyong so many times to get advise and help before signing the contract after they won the Demo day, he don’t even know they won until he answered Dal Mi’s call. You’re just one of those fans whose hype of the 2nd lead syndrome. 🤷🏽♂️
They are not manipulative, DoSan and Dalmi even rejected Mr. Han’s plan B offer because they don’t want to be complacent that there is someone that can help them even if they lose during the Demo day. It will make them feel that their hard work in sandbox is nothing if they depend on that plan B.
The title is Start Up for a reason, those 5 members are new in starting up a business. Where was their mentor when they needed him? Oh yeah, he’s pretending to be sick after getting caught that he is the Do San that wrote those letters.
@@MarilaqueRider , you are in the minority. I’m Korean and all Korean comments on both RUclips and other Korean sites are all team Ji Pyeong not one is for Dosan. The violence and gaslighting deters most from agreeing with your perspective.
Hoping for happier scene between Jipyeong & Dosan. Stop the fanwar. It’s endless if fans keep pointing out each other’s fault & importance.
Yes I agree.. Each one is entitled to whom he or she likes.. What scenes are pleasing and not pleasing to each other's taste.. FAN bickerings and subtle war put spice to Fandom .. But I dislike it too.. Its too childish (maybe because of my age...) so let's not add stress to this stressful world.. Lets enjoy and love each other!!! Love Start - up and love all the casts... #NamJooHyuk #BaeSuzy
Ikr, they kept bringing not just the characters but the artist itself down. Spreading hate and all. For me, each of the characters in the show balances pretty well.. I don't get it where they get their hate.
@@ultraviolet9677 I too am surprised of these hate comments and comparison.. Maybe for the characters in the drama quite ok.to debate.. . But hate for the artists playing the characters.. It would be so unfair... ♥️♥️♥️#baesuzy #namjoohyuk
@@ceciliaquieta6762 Ikr, I'm so sad and pissed at the same time when they bringdown the artist itself. Making memes and all, commenting hate:((
Why cant we? Wouldnt it be nice to point out characters' mistakes and faults because that's one of the sources of a story's moral value.
Well but shame to those who spread hate to the actors or actresses
Don’t like the fight scene. But Kim Seon Ho’s acting when Dosan tells him about Grandmother’s failing eyesight is DAE to the BAK 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼.
Do san has anger management issues...
@@CaliLewisR No he does not. Resorting to physical means was perfectly timed. Some people need a fist in their face. HJP was one of them. After that, he was a lot more human. lol.
@@SainyaHokage No in my eyes dosan looked immature here . He hated jp of his plan b ideas and he went other way .. and when his planned backfired and asked jp for harse truth and when he told them u should take responsibility for ur own mistake he punch jp and again after fight jp gave him advice to him while he shamelessly ask for help.. i know he asked help for ajumaa but why do i feels like every time i see dosan in every ep i feels he always win with crying ..
@@pembasherpahyolmo9238 Well.. guess who went to cry like a baby because he was so wrong playing he is so smart?
@@SainyaHokage but he’s always been correct... and smart. Samsan Tech wouldn’t have done great (and all the other teams he criticized) if not for his nitpicking. And if only Samsan Tech didn’t become too arrogant and consulted their mentor first, or perhaps listened to him when he reached out to them, then they’d all still be together. Tears, hearts, and relationships would have been spared.
Looking jipyeong has success even he dont have privilage at all, dont have family, struggling on his own, but still manage his angry and he's success bussiness man..... he really deserve happy doesnt he? Writernim....... ceballll😢😢😭😭
Yeah!!!
yes, he deserve happiness😭
I agree with you
He had the unconditional love of a total stranger. What other orphans have that? He was very lucky in that respect. Not even DS received unconditional love initially - if he had not been related to his parent would he have been cared for? And the fact that his Dad especially was mad with him for not achieving the success that he expected with DS's talent again shows that his love at first was conditional. Even DM wouldn't have given him a chance if Grandma & JP hadn't stolen his identity & he being the real DS. The love he received initially were all conditional. That can be harsh & burdensome as well - not to be loved for who you really are but for expectations imposed on you.
@@piakennedy987 I agree that JP was lucky to meet grandma, but her "love" for him was not unconditional. I doubt her sentiments towards him could be called "love" in the first place.
And even though DS suffered due to his parents' expectations, they always loved him anyway. His mother told him that what hurt her most were not his mistakes but the fact that her son didn't come to her for consolation. Honestly, I think DS has much to be grateful for (throughout the entire story) but continues to demeen himself and his loved ones by considering them NOTHING compared to Dalmi.
The title "Start Up" was one thing that attracted many youngsters because all were interested to see how startup actually works and we might learn something buy what did we get to see? A Disney story. Nam dosan's impulsive behaviour. Dalmi's excitement to achieve something without having a plan(lol). An investor who is wasting time over a company which is a lost cause. This series revolved so much around the leads but they still couldn't get the attention of the viewers. Infact, viewers rooted for Jipyeong who isn't involved to the start up business. No hate to Nam ji hyuk. We all know he is one hell of an actor. But the problem was the character Dosan.
1. The way he failed to handle every situation. I mean you break a name plate not thinking about the repercussions you and your company can face in the future? Will this ever happen in real life? You will be booked under workplace harassment and you will pay fine and no one will ever hire you. So please, dosan shouldn't be your role model.
2. The other guy who lost his brother... He is a manchild. I'm sorry to say but that's how the world of business is. Nobody will invest their money on something that doesn't fetch them money. Investors are rude, he should have prepared himself before he thought about starting a company. Jipyeong was just doing his goddamn job.
3. Dalmi is a freking CEO and was so excited to go to Silicon valley that she forgot to read a contract on which she has to sign? Like what????
4. Injae's screen time was so less but atleast she did a better job than many lol.
5. On the other hand, Jipyeong's character was so real and mature. He was a gentleman and that's why kim seon ho got so much attention nationwide and internationally. I know it's a hardpill to swallow for the haters.
I don't know how suzy managed to win Seoul international awards for this story lol. Seo yeji is the real winner but they went for face value.
Agree ✨
Facts bro, absolutely fantasy. Ji pyeong is the most realistic character in the entire show
Facts facts facts!!!!! I mean no hate towards Bae Suzy, she is beautiful but I haven't seen her giving the performance that deserves accolades or awards yet.
I cry when jipyeong knows that dal mi's grandma is getting to be blind. That scene breaks my heart tho.
It's really sad that he got to know it so late, he didnt get to spend time with her in the last moments she could see him, he wouldve felt so guilty 😭😭
I hate the fact that Jipyeong is being accused of killing that guy's (I don't remember his name) brother. All he did was give the guy feedback. It might have been mean, but he didn't kill him. Also, Dosan went too far. Punching Jipyeong was unnecessary.
same. im sorry his brother died. but he killed himself because his company failed. which would have happened still had jipyeong not said what he said.
@@zhkdlsoo Exactly!
@@zhkdlsoo HJP spit facts, the brother took it personally, sadly enough, facts don't care about your feelings
@@lemesindong No, compare how JP gives feedback with how Ms Yoon gives feedback. His facts are dressed up with put downs, hers are delivered with logic & advice. You can highlight risks & turn down investment requests without putting people down. JP crossed the line. I will give him that it was because of his harsh upbrining & not out of malice. But nonetheless he's unfit to be mentor until he learns to communicate better. Perhaps this shows an East West divide. The East seems to accept bullying as part of the tough love package. While bullying does still exist in the West, we frown upon it as not something to strive for. There's isn't a right or wrong approach, both can be good or bad depending on the circumstances & both can produce success or failure depending on the circumstances.
@@piakennedy987 Jipyeong didn’t bully the guy; he was frank but not harsh or cruel. Definitely he didn’t commit verbal abuse. He was doing his job as “mentor” and a true teacher would point out to his student that he didn’t do things correctly. How the teacher delivers his admonition is another matter, but in the case of Jipyeong he wasn’t abusive. Dosan’s friend apologizes to Jipyeong toward the end and says he was just looking for someone to blame his brother’s death.
I think everyone needs a mentor like Mr. Han ji pyeong . He is always ready to help them. He is incredibly intelligent, smart, handsome & off course a good human being. I'm in love with him 💕💕💕💕😘😘😘😘😍😍😍.
I've known and been a fan of Kim Seon Ho through his dramas for the past 3 years. Glad to see he's getting the recognition that he deserves.....❤️
I will never forget that punch y’all hear me? Never.
Never forgive either
I feel you. It was like a personal attack.😂✌️
It was so childish of Dosan
that was a low blow and that sound ugh must have hurtt. poor ji pyong
Can we get a scene where DS crying ask forgiveness from JP? cause I really want him to regret like that. 🙂
The biggest fanwar of kdrama land! I never get sick of reading comments from #teamjipyeong . Almost like everyday i will search #teamjipyeong .
Same here😊
It bacame a habbit to read team Jipyeong's point of views.
I didn't know such a thing existed till I came looking to comment and saw someone state TeamJP.. its amusing..
omg me too. i thought it was just me.. #teamjipyeong
The acting was phenomenal here, I literally had chills all over my arms and tears in my eyes during this part of the episode. You see the pain and horror in Jipyeong's face, god 😭 She is like his own mother/grandma figure 💔
Perfect scene really. Dosan cant gulping properly and straighting up hardly with crawling in desperate. Very tough acting.
Jipyeong still giving advice calmly and shocked with breathing hardly. Very soft acting.
Your different acting ways are perfect, guys!
💓
when jipyeong knows about halmeoni its really make me cry so hard
no one deserve to hurt jipyeong. I mean his an orphan who knew dalmi's grandma and that money he won+given by the orphanage. he could've become a flop but he endured all the shit by himself and has come to the level now he is in.🥺😭
He has talent. But he was also very lucky to get Grandma's unconditional love - a total stranger to him who he was rude to. He did not do it all by himself. He had luck on his side as well. Good on him for making the most of his luck with his talent & hard work. Other orphans weren't as lucky. Good to see him finally showing compassion towards the less fortunate rather than sticking with the attitude of I earned all of this, I deserve my success & I owe nothing to society, and deserve to treat subordinates & the less fortunate with disrespect.
@@piakennedy987 I see your comments everywhere I go. Just chill, it's just a goddamn fictional character. Go, please complete your homework first
all that sobbing by NDS does nothing to me but damn those teary eyes of HJP and I am a mess😭😭😭😭
2:34 His act!! The response that he gave!! He couldn't breathe properly really broke my heart😭😭😭
I dont really know what do the writers want to convey by making dosan this emotional to the point of physical violence.
But I'm pretty sure in real life Do San wouldn't survive the business world lol
I agree
He will be in prison lol
Dosan is deepshit, cry baby
@@belysnicole2492 he has serious anger management problem, Jipyeong shoud sue him and let him rot in prison.
@@belysnicole2492 I don’t like cold guys. Actually, I like nice ones and married to one. I have a huge problem with people trying to portray what he did as a person who showed feeling and emotions. You guys are hugely misguided about that. A guy who cheat in an exam and keeps dwelling about his mistake of cheating instead of admitting to it and taking the responsibility is not a guy in touch with his feelings! A guy who hit, punch and fight his mentor in any respected country such as South Korea will be held accountable to his actions. I had mentors before and the base of the relationship is respect. If I did what he did, I would have been banned from my research and maybe gone to jail! And again that’s not a guy in touch with his feeling. And I’m not going to start with the absurdity of the genius guy they tried to portrayed that goes to the US and becomes big in 3 years and get back rich to his home country! I live in the US and have a genius cousin too who works in those big Silicon Valley companies. Guess what, he never hit a mentor, he would actually have a criminal record for that! he is almost 30 and still at entry level in one of those big companies because he is not that of different with companies attracting talents all over the world. he makes good money but almost half of his income is paid into taxes and he still lives home to be able to save for the future! Also, there is a huge difference between a person being cold and a person being reserved. It looks like many people missing to understand the difference.
Both Joo Hyuk and Seon Ho did great job in this scene. Daebak!
The writer of Startup might came up with the idea of... "What if we make the first male lead quality into the second male lead?"
"... And let's put the handsome and lovable actor as the first male lead so that fans are going crazy to choose which one they love more"
And they succeeded in making the fans go crazy 😂
Seriously, Jipyeong has 100% first male lead quality. He is a hard worker, handsome, rich, selfless, even had a pitiful past. Moreover, the past story started with him. Making this character as the second lead is indeed a smart move so that this drama doesn't become cliche.
But my heart breaks for him everytime 😭 he deserves to be happy. It's okay whether he ends up with dalmi or not.
For sure! Very smart! Make the first male lead script for the second lead and the popular actor the first lead looooooool
Really, it reminded me of those reincarnation/transmigration novels where poor unsuspecting main leads are just pushed aside!!
Cheese in the trap
Jipyeong won. He's the last man standing.
Jipyong is looser he always insults someone's dream and he think he's always right and kept himself as a successful businessman but he was wrong Nam do san proved him wrong in the end. Nam do san shows us never stop chasing your dream no matter what other says.
@@barundevfrungdu6579 that didn't work out too good for them
@@barundevfrungdu6579 are we watching the same drama because your arguments doesn't make any sense to me
@@barundevfrungdu6579 lmao stop😂
@@barundevfrungdu6579 Your comment made my day! Better than some comedy!😂😂😂😂
We need that Jipyeong crying scene with grandma.
Lets admit it. This scene and the whole of Start Up is carried by Ji Pyeong and Grandma. I'm sorry but this is got to be the biggest second lead syndrome in history
Exactly 😢
Throwing that first punch was the most heartbreaking moment so far...
copypasted from reddit!
Just a realization after the 12th episode:
You know why people are sympathizing more with HJP? It's not because of his orphan background but because his character always appeared strong despite his sad past. Not once in the past 12 episodes did he use any of his sad parts in life to get sympathy from other people, especially from Dalmi or halmeoni. His orphan background is what we, as viewers, bring up but HJP as a character actually never wanted people to pity him that's why he never brings up his past.
And why do a lot of people dislike NDS' character? Because he actually uses sympathy to get out from the consequences of his actions, for people to understand and forgive him. For lying to Dalmi, he makes the apology out of his 'helplessness' because she's "the only good thing" in his life because he has been suffering from guilt and impostor syndrome since he was a child (bus stop scene & his speech to Injae for Dalmi to hear). Then, after punching HJP because he needed to divert his anger on himself to another person, he brings up halmeoni to get his sympathy to help them and for HJP to forget about this punching thing as totally his (NDS) fault. Without that emotional moment about halmeoni, HJP would not feel guilty and could even report NDS to the police for assault over him telling them hard truths as their mentor.
And Just a realization, Ji Pyeong is dishonest with his feelings because of his experience, while Do San, is honest and Innocent because of his nature. It is scary when people highlights other's telling of truth as a form of sympathy seeking, deceit and manipulation while they overly romanticizes someone's choice of words. Please rewatch the drama and analyze the relationship between the two from the beginning. Don't focus on the romance. Ji Pyeong and Dalmi became connected because of Halmeoni and He became connected with dosan because of dalmi. Ji Pyeong and Dosan did not really get along well. It means all the help of Ji pyeong flowed because of dalmi and halmonie. Now, remove dalmi's love story from the equation, let alone just business. I doubt the two will never meet and Ji Pyeong will never become their mentor.
I really enjoyed Ji Pyeong's character because he is a person I wanted to be.
Meanwhile, I am uncomfortable watching Do San because I can see myself through him. Wa have a side of ourselves we want to change and Do San clearly reflected that. That is why I can say he is more of a relatable character. Please don't hate him. Believe me, we are just like him. We just don't want to admit it. That is why we like Ji Pyeong because we wanted to be like him.
I agree with this reddit comment.
true
Do San has ager management issues, is always finding excuses for his behavior, he won' take accountability for his actions... To me, at his 28-29 years old... he is is off. Besides, accepting the offer not wanting "a plan B" while Dal-mi is preparing to get investors is exactly going for a plan B...
@@CaliLewisR I agree. I think that’s why I have such a hard time getting behind him as the main lead. Because he reminds me more of a child, not taking responsibility, when he should be an adult. So I see Dal mi always having to carry the relationship rather than having a partner. JP may not be the one for her,but at this point, I’d rather she be alone. She deserves better than this man child.
But Dosan started punching jipyeong was not the right thing tho. Even they are about the same age, jipyeong is still his senior and even his mentor. Dosan shouldn't do this far, and what jipyeong said to dalmi was not wrong too. I really don't like dosan and his friends at this time bcs all'em are blaming jipyeong TT.TT They come to jipyeong only when they need him. But still they didn't respect him at all. Poor him .
Exactly and he seems hate and so mean to Ji Pyeong .. everytime he Sees him.. while i don’t see anything hated from Ji Pyeong to dosan he actually help them a lot in silent.. how gentlemen he is..
plus yongsan the one who ask for jipyeong to put aside the feeling and give the usual knock he gave
Actually in the show dosan is much younger than ji pyeong, both of them have joked before about how ji pyeong is in his 30s while dosan is still in his 20s or sth
they have a reason understand what happened on the first part when they first met jipyeong + the death of his friend's brother
tbh in ep 12 i only liked chulsan because he did acknowledge what jipyeong told them
Being young, people are allowed to make mistakes and they are forgiven for those mistakes too... But committing the same mistakes again and again, not acceptable.. These kind of immaturity leads to so many heartbreaks..💔
Kim Seon ho is sooooo good and natural here!!!
Jipyeong's genuine love for Grandma is amazing! 🥺
We need that Jipyeong and Halmeoni crying scene swoon!!! 😭😭😭 PLEASE HUHU
Koreans are also pissed with this scene and story so we're all in this together haha
Yes lol haha. I thought it's gonna focused on businnes things, then suddenly everything like becoming-success-together-series 😅
@@twiceina6602 lol same I thought it would be about Seo Dal Mi and Won In Jae's rivalry in business and family drama lol
Who knows that WIJ even got much lesser time screen than SDM, HJP, and NDs
why?
@@lyrahazel2079 But now the sisters have almost made up, so it's time for the guys to forget about enmity and live happily and be friends!
Start - Up remains to be #1 in Netflix for PH and everybody is excitedly awaiting the remaining episodes. It is wholesome ... the struggles and challenges of each character in the story are worth contemplating and which can be turned into positive insights for young adults.. The romantic side of the story is necessary to break the monotony and add spice to the story which is well- written by my Fav script writer... #Just expressing my views♥️ #namjoohyuk#baesuzy
Honestly I'm so pissed with this scene, the fight was so unnessary and it made me rethink every other good qualities in Dosan, after this I can only see him as a reckless and childish kid. What right did he have to punch JiPyeong? Didn't all of this accquihire mess happen because of Samsantech? Dosan is the one who's so offensed by JiPyeong's offer, that he doesn't need JiPyeong help because of his own ego, so he got trick that Alex would bring the whole team if he agreed with his offer. And Dalmi was the one who signed the contract without consulating with JiPyeong - THEIR MENTOR. And Yongsan? Don't even get me started🤦♀️Separate your fellings with your work they said, but isn't that what JiPyeong always does and they don't? They treated Jipyeong as if he's a sinner when obviously he's the one who looked over Samsantech more than anyone else, even right from the start without him, their technology would have been robbed. Tbh the only reasons I keep watching this drama is because of HJP, the storyline and lessons about start up but now, everything just seem to be all over the place. For the rest episodes, I just hope the best for JiPyeong.
couldn’t agree more
True to this actually Alex already told Dosan that he cannot bring all of them. Yet he pursue with the contract without thinking or asking Alex twice,what a shame!! I feel really bad for Hjp. Yongsan is also to blame if he didn't stop Hjp from calling Dalmi then Hjp would be their savior again....
@@Kate-wt7sb Yeah and Alex also said he's not a philanthropist, so even if 2STO really did make an acquisition rather than acquihire, there's also no chance for them to continue Noongil. The writer'd better make them mature real fast the next 3 years or else this whole start-up thing really is gonna a mess, the mains are too naive to even be in the business
This was the reason why I stopped watching at ep 10. I read comments first before I watch new episode and team Jipyeong were all furious about this fight. I don't wanna end up hating NamDoSan for real so I just dropped the drama and went to marathon 2D1N for Kim SeonHo.
@@juliemartinez6409 Great decision. I watched until the end just to see how they'd wrap things up for Jipyeong but it was a total disappointment. As much as I love Jipyeong, I don't think I'll ever watch this drama again, too painful and unfair😥
Even if you think Ji pyeong was harsh ( which in my opinion he wasn’t), you don’t beat up your superiors/ mentor. Violence is not acceptable. And if Dosan can’t take not sugar coated constructive criticism, which proven most of the time right, since Ji pyeong saved their asses so many times, he should forget about business and start ups.
I'm not sorry for Dosan. He need to admit his mistake instead of throw a tantrum towards Ji Pyeong.
Okay. Now give us jipyeong haelmoni scene. I'm ready to cry again. That scene make me bawled my eyes out of nowhere no matter how much I watch it.
I cried toooooo in Jipyeong and grandma's scene 😭😭😭😭😭
Yes if only he admit his mistakes that would make big difference about his character. He always acted like he was a victim. If he admitted, that would be a nice progression proof
Same 😭😭😭
What mistake did he do? Jipyong was the first person who approached him! And dosan genuinely wanted to help dalmi.
I don't even blame the grandma for starting the letter. It's dalmi mother who should take all the blame😡😡🤬and the fact that she HAD THE AUDACITY TO COME BACK WAOWWWWWW!!!! I CAN'T!!!!!
@@sorango5454 we are talking about the contract with alex. chill bro
and dont bring dalmi' mom into this
Gosh Nam joohuyk acting is superb 🥺 my heart goes to him everytime he cries and i hate how people insult him because they dont like his caractere, he even ask him for help for the grandma when hjp didn’t wanted to help them in the first place he love dalmi and her grandma sooo much 🥺🥺😭
IKR. Maybe I'm showing my liberal west feminist bias, but I much prefer a guy who's in touch with his emotion & is full of compassion & empathy than a repressed, arrogant, rich pricks like JP even though I have sympathy for him because of his tough childhood. So glad he grew a bit towards the end of the story. But yeah, DS is my cuppa!
TOP TIER ACTING RIGHT THERE
Seonho, arw you from planet earth?
How come you portray heartbreaking emotions without crying. You are simply one in a million ❤️
When I watched this part of the start-up drama .... I cried ... I also felt how sad Ji Pyeong knew Dalmi's grandmother was going blind ....😟😟😟
So this whole drama is crap except han ji pyoung... I literally cried for this character. He is really a good boy and only gentleman in this drama. Hero material
The look on Ji Pyeong's face 😭😭
he’s lucky jipyeong didn’t end up suing him. after that smashing incident with the chairman dosan should’ve known better not to use violence to solve his problem lol i’m in fURY
It seems Dosan has serious anger management issues.
he forgot that he is a living buddha
@@msgreentea7189 I remember when he was violent too with Chulsan (who didn’t want to give his share to Dalmi). They are so immature. If Jipyeong didn’t help them they would all fail. Jipyeong asked Dalmi to record the meeting.
@@kenlarasati3771 HAHAHa I complete forgot that they dubbed him living budah 😂 oops went off character there buddy
@@kenlarasati3771 that ‘Living buddha’ just stuck to me in a few episodes because his adult character is clearly NOT a living buddha 😂
I think we all like ji pyeong because he never ruined the title start up with his feelings for dal mi. ji pyeong never tried to make the other characters put down or tried to break them up for his feelings. While on other hand do-san always made decisions based on him getting closer to dalmi, like the one with Alex. He never gave respect to ji pyeong who helped the start up a lot.
those who complain ji pyeong words are harsher, god he is their mentor and a successful person, just to get a piece of advice like that is something to be felt grateful.
What drama were you watching? I saw the total opposite. And JP is not the best mentor for a start up because he only has the cruel investor hat on. Investors are only after profit & shareholder values. Start ups may be about making the world better & unproven technology. JP has no appetite for risk, doesn't know how to harness DS's potentials. Alex would have been a much better mentor since he understand DS's achievements better, though personally I like Ms Yoon as well. JP was nothing but negative with DS & even went as far as wanting them to give away their company to DM, someone who only has HS degree, no proven business track record, haven't slaved away 2 years developing the technology that won them an international prize. How can you be so heartless to think that is fair? Would you give your company away if your were DS? Would you happily accept JP's assessment of you as a loser who should just give up your dreams & get a job?
As for JP being more professional & not letting personal feelings run things, first he has to be honest with himself and others that he as feelings for DM. I suppose you're right that initially he didn't do any of the inconvenient & out of character things for DM. But it was still personal - it was for Grandma. Would a professional & rational investor who only has profits in his eyes go out of his way if there wasn't a personal reason for this? Help SST my a**. It was all for his personal reasons. Any benefit they receive was a by-product not his main intention. He has no interest nurturing startups. He turned Ms Yoon's mentorship request downs previously. He denied he ever wanted to be start up's sherpa when DS asked him initially. How can you be so blinded by your bias fo JP?
He has less qualification to be a startup mentor than IJ. He had never built a business, only invested in other people's businesses. He could walk away from stuggling startups, where as founders have to make it work. IJ has therelevant business experience. So does Ms Yoon by the sound of it. They both would have been better mentor than JP. Good luck to you if you think JP is what good start up mentors look like. Unless you have the fighting spirit to go against his "advice" you would not have even made a start with his over-cautiousness & put-downs.
@@piakennedy987 I was looking for this comment. It's like everyone is walking around with blinders on insisting he was only doing his job.He wasn't there mentors when he was constantly calling them a loser, they only won whenever they didn't take his advice. He was a total tool.
Damn Kim seon ho oozes so much charisma that Nam joo hyuk fades out.imagine dominating njh in all aspects.seonho really is a great actor
I think the biggest concern of nam is his charisma he might be good at acting but lacks at punch and maybe that is why hjp is much more loved becauae of kim seonho
@@abhipsapanigrahi2079 njh eyes sometiems seems soulless. He is poor at acting compared to seon ho
Oh my God.. It's their character.. Why are you targeting the actors? It's not even like you're the ones acting so why are you criticizing so much? You're not even in their place.. Just because you like the other person does not mean you can downgrade others...
@@reikiriyama977 just because of this one drama series, you are concluding? You're too biased.. Have you even seen all of his movies? I guess not.. So how can you criticize that much? You probably have seen only this drama because of what you're saying.. I think you should do a movie marathon and see for yourself... Hypocrite
@@abhipsapanigrahi2079 wow so what if they change places and change characters? What do you think will happen.. It's how they portray their character.. I bet if they change places hahaha you will change your bias.. Don't justify your answer because I know you willl.. It's how people's mind work
I love Seonho and Joo Hyuk, they did great in this scene (as always)
This show has a talent every episode it has, making me, a grown man, cry my fucking ass out.
Shhhh, don't let JP stans see this confesssion! They'd label you a crybaby loser! But I applaud you for having a heart & not afraid to engage with emotions.
nobody messes with jipyeong’s halmoniii 😭
I'm convinced kdrama producers take amazing actors as second leads cause they know the hallyu stars lack screen presence. I mean both true beauty and startup had such classy and amazing second leads and their acting was top notch. Glad we're noticing second leads too and they're finally getting the recognition they deserve
This scene gives me split feelings. I understand that Dosan was already upset enough and Jipyeong's words were like rubbing salt into his wound (which is irony, because Jipyeong said some facts at that time because Yongsan asked for it), so I kinda want to understand why Dosan picks a fight with Jipyeong. The anger and emotions have built since long time ago, and this time Dosan just explodes. But I don't justify what he does is correct, though. I just understand enough his feelings at that moment.
If he really cares for NoonGil because of Halmeoni, Dosan should trust Jipyeong that he will lead Samsan Tech as mentor for better since the first time. I know, Jipyeong's harsh words hurt and have discouraged them, but I think this is the point where both sides should put their egos behind and be more mature. Jipyeong should learn how to spit out facts without provoking or degrading them with harsh words (he could, but ONLY if necessary. It's his job anyway). Dosan needs to separate his emotions and think clearly before making any decisions, especially when running a business
But yeah, if we see those growth already, maybe there wouldn't be enough content for 16 episodes. Growth need process too, so let's see what stories the drama would bring to us for the last 4 episodes.
Except JP's response to NG from the beginng is don't do it because it's unprofitable. JP had not found compassion in his heart, only a debt to Grandma. DS would have had to break his promise to Grandma to convince JP to help.
Also, I don't think it's his job as a mentor to be so harsh. As an investor maybe. But not as a mentor. Ms Yoon demonstrated a better way to deliver hard truths. She also understand that not all ventures are about profits & shareholder values. If JP's perspective is 100% right then we should be rooting for IJ instead of DM.
But yeah, it would benefit DS to mature professionally. But he has already made big stride as a person from a geek who doesn't get metaphors to taking risks in love and business within the space of a few months. Considering how DM was stuck on an imaginary BF for 15 years I think we shouldn't be harsher on DS than we are on DM.
Probs to Nam Joo Hyuk in this scene. Nam Do San is doing his best to convey the secret he held onto while trying to not break down from the shit that just happened earlier in the episode.
I get it that Dosan wants to protect Dalmi but there’s no point of fighting with Jipyeong and beating him up like that to prove himself. What’s been done is done.
@Aesth Kim exactly, this fight is totally unnecessary. Although I feel like Dosan was trying to prove a point here 🥺
So ask the producer why they made dosan punch jinpyeong
Always the poor Ji-pyeong agenda 🙄
@Aesth Kim so ask the wrieternim to do not make them fight
@Aesth Kim i also wondering why
Ok swoon will you upload 13hour crying scene of kim seonho please? It is really popular in naver. Thankyou hehe😭
Damn. When he cries/look crying tho. Its like a cup of water starting to fill in then over flow. Slowly but surely it will get you! The res eyes then tears flow… shit! He is GOOD!!
Its usually grandma to the rescue but now we need to it for the grandma
Didn't we all fell in love with Jipyeong's character.
honestly i don't even understand why people call hjp harsh. I'm someone who doesn't believe you have to be aggressive to get your point across, but the whole time in the show I really admired the way he spoke. Maybe there were a few times he did go a tad bit far, but they were when he was genuinely angry or too personally invested. As a mentor if he didn't speak that way then the company would be ruined. Businesses aren't run with kind compliments and sugarcoating. He speaks the way he does because he KNOWS how to make them succeed. That's why I appreciated Dalmi always saying she found him helpful, and that's why i find the three engineers childish. if i had a mentor like him i'd be so incredibly grateful smh
agree.
This scene made me still think of them as brothers despite the shows aggressive desire to make them enemies. They needed to get that pent up frustration out, Dosan threw the first punch but Jipyeong shoved him and bumped before that he's no angel lol (plus he's been putting him down forever) but I loved that once the fight was over and the aggression was out they could have a conversation and someone finally told JP what what was going on. This scene reminded me of so many of my guy friends, they just make up after a fight.
The feeling in Jipyeong's eyes!! Wow Kim Seonho!
I SUPER LOVE START-UP THAT I REWATCH IT EVERY WEEK.
Same here. Sometimes more than once a week.
Holyyyy the acting here is .... ughhh 😭😭😭😭😭😭 I’m literally hurting watching these two.
HJP: You want my help after beating me up like this? Does this make sense to you?
No it doesn't. Not at all. Beating him up for something not his fault was the first nonsense and the audacity to ask help next thing? are we supposed to appreciate all this just because what he's the main lead? idk anymore.
I also like that lines. Most of his lines are meaningful. Touch my heart. Many lesaons can be learned
Talking harsh words to the girl he like is also nonsense!
He is beaten because of his sharp 👅
@@tkvlog5550 he is her mentor lol, and like she said, his words helped her a lot. If she has a problem, she can take it up with him herself, she's perfectly capable of speaking up for herself. She ain't need no Knight in shining armour to beat jipyeong up for her. Just admit that Dosan is immature, childish and has anger problems lol.
@@tkvlog5550 how is telling criticism and facts harsh? Yes he could have said things in a less harsh way and also what's so wrong about telling Dalmi criticism? That's his job, he isn't like that one male lead who's immature and likes to involve his personal feelings with work
Did I just fell in love with Nam Joo hyuk all over again ❤️😘
This is why people hate Do San. Do San punches and yells at HJP because Do San said somethings Do San told him to say. At the end, it was Do San's fault this contract went through. He was happy with it. He was okay with it. He thought he was going to get everything without Han because of his jealously. But it was his jealously that lead to this. Remember - he said he didn't want a "Plan B".
He accepts it, that's why in the penultimate chapter he says that he was wrong when he was swimming without a map, but it was also wonderful. Do san is the imperfect protagonist who in the end achieves success against all odds, that is the message of the story and I think it is a very encouraging message for many of us who are a bit like the protagonist !! I don't understand why they dislike this character!
@@giulietta3112 bec if u do his methods in real life, you'd either get killed or go to jail lmao
@@asiong2752 What methods? Dalmi's letter were witten by Dalmi's grandmother and Han Ji-pyeong and there was a good intention behind it, I don't think that writing them was a crime. The whole story is full of good messages, about life and work. I don't believe that navigating without a map is a crime, I think it's something liberating, you don't hurt anyone, maybe you go back but then you take impulse to go forward.
@@giulietta3112 how will all of this justify punching hjp? Wait, he did break a name plate at workplace. Wow, that's so relatable, inspiring and also gives a very encouraging message about rage issues😂
@@izzy8674 Was Ji-pyeong sweet to Do-san?I would say he was cruel, and not only to Do-san, he has that way of commenting on others so violent, that caused the death of Kim Yong-sang’s brother; he realized that mistake. I don’t advocate violence, I think Do-san acted immaturely by fighting and venting his anger on Han, too, after a comment Han made at an inappropriate time.
Do san is a character that grows in the story, he is not perfect, he fascinated me, I am not perfect either and many times I felt as depressed as Do-san, this character has inspired me not to be defeated.
The irony is in the beginning of the show we see Han Ji-pyeong begging Nam Do-San to act as him for grandmas sake. Now it’s reversed. Nam Do-San is begging Han Ji-pyeong for grandmas sake.
Seon Ho baby 😭
Please make a happy ending for him. At least something, he doesn't need to have Dalmi.
Seeing them fighting was a heartbreak moment for me 😭
Ouch....JP...he us still so professionally giving advice to dosan n he also acknowledge dosan IT skills. Why can't DS appreciate him instead of always hostile to JP
Ji Pyeong with his bangs down looks so GOOD
This is ridiculous to see some of fans comment bad about the actors bcs of the characters 😂 They just do their work dude
True...they should differentiate acting from personal. I still support and love Nam Joo Hyuk!
hahahaha! true. fans are taking this waaay tooo seriously. haha! Chill guys! Let's just enjoy this KDrama. :) we're all fans after all ;)
those are like the minority tho. If you check this comment section it's pretty much all about the characters.
True.....I love Nam Joo Hyuk... and kuddos to Kim Seo Hoo after long debut with many character Start Up making him famous....hurray
The fight scene is just an action input. It is unnecessary... It makes Dosan's character seem more immature.
I think I need to rewatch weightlifting fairy Kim Bok Joo to un-hate Nam Joo Hyuk. His character affected my view on him as an actor
I felt so bad hating on dosan because I do love joohyuk so much.
His acting on The Light in Your Eyes was really good! For me, thats his best performance so far but we just love him in Weightlifting Fairy ayt? Hehe
Lol yes, I rewatch the kim bok joo just to remind me that the one is annoying is nam do san and not nam joo hyuk. Huaaa dosan anger management issue is really annoying here. Hopefully in the rest of episode we can see dosan become calmer, not someone who would punch or break something easily ✌
@@rjm2663 His character in The Light in Your Eyes is a big challenge. It's a big jump for his acting skills but he played it off. I just wish instead of putting him in romance genres, he should be put in genres that will make his acting shine.
NJH is someone who's hard to find a romantic chem with other actors but he is indeed a promising actor.
tRUEE like accept that jipyeong is not wrong. accept that the boys were too emotional. accept that they made a mistake. accept the factz. accept the reality.
HJP best boy!
Eoljimaaa, Han Jipyeong! Even Seo Dalmi cried a lot when she knew about Ms. Choi condition. We know a Good Boy always hurt but strong deep inside. You're still the best Mentor, Mr. Han!
it's been more than a year but im still here
Please stop glamorizing punching or violent attacks hahaha don't justify dosan's actions
Agree