Leica CL and TL2: Daring, Risky, Necessary, Expensive - and They Make Me Happy
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- After last month's four part series on the Leica SL, I wondered if maybe I should look at the CL instead. And if I were to look at the CL, why not its more daring, less expensive older brother (as long as you don't buy the Visoflex tilting EVF for it, but of course you SHOULD). Anyway...I loved them. Which is not really what I was expecting - nor, with all of that image quality available to me, was the joy of exploring whether or not I could take less than technically perfect images and still be happy. I could.
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I have a Sony A7rii . It has a better sensor better AF and ibis. I always pick up my TL2 first. It’s just special. It is more fun period. Thanks for articulating that experience so nicely.
I had two A7Riis and a 7Riii and higher resolution and IBIS aside had no advantages plus far worse colour. The reason I finally gave up on Sony, at some cost. I far prefer using and get ‘better’ images from the TL2.
Excellent presentation!!! A real pleasure to see this kind of content. Thanks for sharing. I think that Leica has such a large image that we forget all those discussions about the number of focus points, megapixels, etc. We do not need to discuss that with a Leica in our hands, it's romantic, it's poetic, It is an icon. Greetings as always from Argentina!
Had a rough couple of years so I only have the Leica T. But with the recent firmware updates it is actually a very good camera. I can’t wait to see what Leica will do with this system in the future, even tho I doubt I’ll be part of it if they don’t bring manual focus back. Thanks for one of the most amazing reviews I’ve seen period. If anything it reminded me what it is I love with Leica - and photography.
You're quickly becoming my favourite photography resource here on RUclips. Skillful presentation, knowledge and style.
Three cameras that made me the most excited to take photos: Ricoh GR2, Leica M240 and Leica M3. The CL looks as though it would usher in that same enthusiasm.
Mike Pratt Thanks!
The sound quality is superb in this video. Your slow and low style and well articulated way of talking yields itself to an ASMR-style calm to this whole video. You had me captured from the first lines. Leica has been on my radar for so long and maybe these models might be the first step.
So happy you enjoyed it. I’d never heard nor seen “ASMR” before I started YouTubing, but other people have made that comment here, too. Thanks!
Matthias Burling’s excellent piece on the T convinced me to pick one up since its price dropped like a stone post tl2. With the firmware update the autofocus actually works pretty well. Just have the 23mm F2. V enjoyable. Xe-3 cured me of any desire for the CL. Cheers mate, great job as always.
sanjay vijayanathan Thanks. Sounds like you’re happy with the T - cool!
i have to say..this is the most laid back guy I have ever seen...he should have been a radio host.
Awesome and thought provoking as ever, thanks! If I met you on the street and you told me you were actually Jeff Goldblum I would probably believe you.
Bo De Apparently it was not just me thinking the same regarding Goldblum... ;)
Thank goodness for that, I am not the only one!!!!
I love the look of the CL. It has a longevity of design about it and a very satisfying functionality that’s really appealing and motivates one to use it on a regular basis
dcphoto80 yes!
I'm not a Leica shooter, but rather a Sony RX1 shooter. I've also not been inclined to climb the S-curve into the Leica product line. However, this video is the most well considered, balanced, and articulate statement I've seen on "Why Leica". More and more now, it's about the experience and "feels" of photography-assuming skill, discipline, and art are in play-when it comes to equipment, since technical excellence can be found today all the way down into the mid-market sector. Leica captures the best of this experience better than any other product in the market.
I didn't think I'd actually watch a 45 minute long video on a product line from a brand I don't follow closely, but-aside from the topic-you caught my attention in the first 60 seconds with the warm, inviting, and well-crafted lighting of the video (one of the best I've seen on a YT video), then reeled me in with a thoughtful approach to the whole topic.
I really appreciate the acknowledgement at 34:28 of Fuji's work in bringing the emotional quality to images. I feel the same with that lens, and even with the X100 series. I also appreciate bringing up the topic of our connection to the context and environment as a photographer and how it plays into our evaluation of emotional connection. I've rarely seen that acknowledged in discussions in photography.
Much appreciated for sharing your thoughts on this. Glad the YT engine reco'd this video. Liked and subscribed. :)
spektrograf So glad you decided to join the conversation. Welcome - and thank you for such a lovely contribution.
Your timing was excellent. My CL arrived today and the plan is for it to compliment my M10. I love my M10 but I wanted something to take on trips that my husband could operate or a stranger if we want a photo of my husband and I. I got the L-M mount adapter and am really looking forward to using my M-Glass as well as the L Mount lenses. I couldn’t agree more with you’re review. If a photographer is more concerned with the raw specs and features then these aren’t the cameras for them. I’ve had Nikon and Sony cameras, and I still use a Sony A7sii for video work (with Leica glass) but I always have a stronger emotional response to the photos from my Leica’s. They just have that quality that’s hard to pinpoint. When I got my first Leica my husband thought I was nuts. Then he saw the first photos and immediately said “I think I get it now.” Can’t wait to start playing with my newly arrived CL!
Andrew Estes Delighted for you both! Please keep me posted!
The music towards the beginning sounds very much like Philip Glass to me, and I like it a lot!
So very well conveyed. As a new TL2 owner, the description became personal, resonatingly intimate, and very enjoyed, as you painted sense from chaos poetically, using potent senses. #epic
Lovely video. Owning both the CL and an M, the CL has become my preferred go-to camera. I always bring it with me.
Einar Landre I understand. 😎
Would I be mistaken or even sacrilegious in saying, Leica put a hybrid EVF/OVF on the next M?
Many Thanks for another great review. I chose TL2 over CL because of the price difference. TL2 is a fun camera but...... whilst its siblings CL and SL support the "exposure preview" on/off selection, it is not the case with TL2. This means TL2 can fire any manual flash but you will not be able to see what you are shooting when you set the A/S/ISO to match your manual flash's power. If you want the pleasure of looking and focusing on what you are shooting, you will have to pay for those very expensive Leica labelled flashes (like Leica SF40). Leica don't make flashes themselves. Leica SF40 is a Chinese made Nissin i40 with add on Leica TTL circuitry. The former is selling at £380 and the latter £78 in the UK. TTL flashs are usually quite unpredictable. Leica TTL is definitely unique and bring the unpredictability to a different level. Paying £300 for a feature that I don't need or use is heartbreaking. Come on Leica, please update your TL2 firmware and add that exposure preview on/off switch to this beautifully designed camera.
Thank you for your review. You hit it out of the park regarding these 2 cameras. As you clearly stated, different people have different styles of shooting. I sold my Olympus Em1 and its 7 lenses because all of those menu options drove me nuts. Yes, the images were great, but I wasn't excited to shoot as I would have to reorient myself with all the damn menus. It was easier to shoot with my iPhone 8 plus. I did a lot of research on the Q, which I rented, but did not like just having a fixed 28mm lens. I went to Leica Soho to check out the CL. Again, those damn menus. I wanted an easy to use camera. I got the TL2 with the 35mm and 60mm lens. I couldn't be more happier. Love the user interface. Not that I'm into the iPhone menu, it's just easy to use. Nothing wrong with that. I know for the amount of $ I spent, I could have bought the greatest Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, etc. However, I would still be back to those damn menus. I'm 55 years old and started shooting when I was a teenager. It was easier, set Aperture, ISO, and shutter speed, done. Pretty much the same thing I do with the TL2. Love it.
Timothy Giordano Thanks for sharing your story! Love it!
Great approach. Entertaining and very articulate presentation. Reliable opinion and advice. A big thank you.
I want to be as cool as you when I'm older!
Noroel Me too. ;)
Start now, it takes a long time to get that cool!
As a Leica collector, I will go for the CL body with old school manual Leica Lenses, I personally think is the best choice to make great pictures and enjoy life.
Jorge Montilla nice! I see that with the new firmware update, the TL2’s focus peaking now works with manual lenses - it wasn’t just me! :)
I got into digital with a Fuji 2800 zoom many years ago. I was using a Contax G1 at the time, and was surprised by how many usable shots I got with the Fuji, horrible little thing that it was. Later I got into the Olympus E line, then Fuji X, and now Leica TL and Fuji X. The only thing I would fix on any of these cameras I have now (X-Pro 1, T, TL-2, XE-1) is low-light auto-focus. I love the picture quality.
Hugh, I’ll start by saying my road to Leica was through the Fuji X100. In my opinion that is the camera that put APSC on the map but also put an extremely compact, seriously competent digital camera. I’d suggest that without the X100 the CL and even the Leica Q don’t exist, but that’s my view and I’m biased.
It’s through the X100 that I realized what APSC can produce, so we’re definitely on the same page there.
The X100 led me to a Leica Q, which at the time from a pure mental decision I’d have gone to the XE-3 with a Fuji 16mm f1.4 lens, but I instead went with my heart and migrated toward the Leica Q.
So now I’m a Leica lover so I can totally relate to your penchant for the German factory.
So in this long winded diatribe I wanted to ask what your thoughts are with respect to which is the best lens mated to the CL in the 24-35mm range?
I’d prefer compact over larger lenses, but paramount is what your belief is the best Leica rendering lens.
I could even be swayed toward the 35mm f1.4. I’m not hung up on auto focus so an M lens can be an option. If you had to choose one lens for the CL, what’s your favorite?
Thanks in advance.
ridecycling Thanks for sharing such a lovely “origin” story! Short answer: the Summicron TL 23/2. Incredibly light, small and optically superb. It was the first lens I got for the CL. The SECOND one was the Summilux TL 35/1.4. But depending on your taste and budget, the beauty is you could also go Sigma 16/1.4. It’s very good.
Hugh, Thanks so much for that. That sounds like a good starting point. The 23mm would be a good starter.
My first SLR was a Nikon FE and I ran around with a 105 f2.8 for probably 3 years before I got a second lens and as you know you build up ‘POV memory’. But I’m generally a wider angle guy today- 28mm works for me.
I absolutely adore my Leica Q. It’s a pretty darn near perfect camera. People talk about Leica being a luxury brand and way too expensive, but as you know too well once you get a sniff of that Leica look, it’s hard to go anywhere else. Do I sound like a snob for saying that, but I really do feel that at its best, the Leica lens is pretty hard to beat.
I liked your comment regarding fast Leica lenses in that you don’t care about bokeh effect rather the control that one has in shinning the focus of the subject. Fast Leica lenses do that so well.
Thanks for the video and the length! Nice of you to keep me company cooking dinner, and you even shared the table while I ate. Hell yes, I would love one of those cameras. One day! For now, I'm learning how to use the X100F. 🤓📷 😎
Lovely review!!! There is just some special about those Leicas!! I’m saving my money for that SL!
Wonderful camera!
The SL is a marvel, wonderful AF, crystal clear EVF, excellent rear LCD. And captures have that Leica flow. But it’s fairly heavy and those lenses are large.
True!
Great informative video as usual. Just wanted to say, I could listen to you say: "Hold that though," 24/7 :)
One of the best photography channels on RUclips.
Dorne Johnson 🙏🏻
Nice video, if you had to choose between the Leica Summicron TL 23mm F/2. and Leica Summilux-TL 35mm f/1.4 for leica TL2 where size is no issue which lens would you choose?
We chose both! 😊
Its a wonderful world that everyone to choose according to their needs and this video certainly provokes the idea that latest tech is not always what we need or want.
Ian Brown Just so!
Still working my way through the Leica's - a IIIa was my first, and Ive subsequently aquired an M2, M3 and am terribly curious about the M5, but I'm very glad to know; when and if my journey takes me to these more modern fringes, that Leica is still producing incredibly compelling machines
Too bad the team of Contax G-series and Zeiss never got into the digital realm. I had a G1 and 3 Zeiss primes. Once I went digital I couldn’t go back any more that I could go back to a manual typewriter after computer word processing, but what a jewel of a system.
Like your chanel very much, it's not just experience, it's like listening a story!
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I have gone and done it! Just sold my Lumix S5 and some of my lenses and bought a secondhand CL. Can’t afford Leica glass but Sigma Contemporary is fine for me. First thoughts are that I am excited to get out and take photos again. Is this the end of my photography journey at the age of 72? Almost certainly. I think the CL is going to challenge me in the same way as my Zenit B did way back in 1972. In some respects I have come full circle. Love my Leica!
Enjoy!
Don’t get sigma. I first got the sigma 56mm and then I got the zeiss Biogon 25mm with Leica t to m adaptor
Great video. FWIW, Peak Design is having a product recall on the anchors, version 3 (I believe). With the recall, they are including new eyelets which might allow the anchors to fit the Leica strap lugs..
I had to watch this one in segments; too much to think about! Thoughtful, interesting, educational, almost inspirational....I have new respect for Leica after this "Leica 101" crash course. Maybe there is a TL2 in my future.........
Gran video muchas gracias.como funcionan las lentes serie I de sigma en la leica cl?? Gracias
How are the Sigma 16 .and 56 on the CL
Seems no videos of them with the CL
I guess in summary the question is, what's the difference between a Leica and every other camera? Well what's the difference between a Rolex and a Timex....one is a watch, the other is a timepiece 😋
great review! I would really be interrested on your opinion on the Leica Q, no review planned?
Hi. I am contemplating on getting the TL2 with the 18mm lens. Do you think it's still worth buying at $1.4k USD? A pre-owned set with the lens and EVF. Or just buy a Fuji XE4? I plan to use it to take photos of my bikes and probably bring along during trips. I own a X100, and a Ricoh GRiiiX. Thank you in advance.
Although it pains me to say so, the industry has moved on and Leica is no longer developing their APS-C line-up. I’d go X-E4.
Leica's restraint is what makes it so daring.
Brilliant and well considered review thank you !!!
I have yet to buy or try a Leica, Why do I keep getting drawn over to them? Very nice information! Thank you
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Another really interesting video, Hugh. Personally, I don't find these two Leica models of much interest to me, but I do find your *thoughts* about them interesting. Keeping with the rangefinder theme, you really should try a Fujfilm X100F for a few weeks.
Stephen Scharf I will put it on my list, Stephen!
A camera is a camera from a point and shoot to and 8x10, to the top digital image recorded. they serve a purpose and a moment to that purpose. i love your reviews and the analogy behind it.
Juan Lopez Thank you! And: agreed (about cameras!).
Juan Lopez Thank you! And: agreed (about cameras!).
Wonderful review as always. The CL piqued my interest BUT...the rumor of the upcoming Q-sized interchangeable FF system made together with Panasonic, has me worried I will have a bad, bad case of GAS. Especially if the new Leica will have weather sealing and smallish AF primes (think Fuji's F2 WR Fujicrons)-- which are so alluring when combined with the X-Pro2's sexy rangefinder styling.
Rekishi no Tabi I hear you!
The German made Leica X Type 113 including 23 mm lens can be had for lens than 1500.00 US The imaging is true Leica 16 mp sensor with a pretty fast and sharp German made lens. Its a beautiful camera and a steal for the money. It does many things very right. and is the right size for street. better than the Q in that regard IMO
Ah! Thank you for the insight - welcome to the conversation!
4K video and no mic input... what the hell?
Right, my RX100V from many years ago had that problem too...
Frustrating!
I hear you.
Great video as always from you
Leica is like visiting another planet. It triggers dreaming. Sony and stuff are like good tools to make ordinary work on this planet)
I prefer the cl because it has a viewfinder. But there are a few 2nd hand tls around for cheapish
ACID SNOW I understand completely. I wish the CL was compatible with the Visoflex Typ 020, though - or the TL had a more flexible function button assignment (for ISO).
love your review and discussion. just a comment: if you are reviewing recent Leica camera history, i think you are leaving out the Leica X series as a significant predecessor to the T/TL/CL series. the X cameras have similar rendering, which is signature and beautiful. doesn't really matter though, your video is still great!
I know at least one other person who feels this way as well. Will put it on the list!
do you think a Leica T (Typ 701) for street is viable in 2023? i am already in the l-mount and want something small for street, ty in advance
I wouldn’t go T - I’d go TL2 or CL (although after adding an M11 to my SL2, I am reluctantly selling my CL with SummicronTL 23 street kit to help defray OTHER purchases - it’s been a heckuva year). 😊
@@3BMEP thanks for the reply, trying to find a good recent review for T or TL2 but its all 10 years ago hehe... i ll try to find a TL2 as you suggested
I really want the monochrom ...I think.I love M10,I love the SL2...but the CL does feel like the street camera that could always live in my rucksack...there are so many amazing cameras out there but there,I really the Sony's the Nikon feels like amazing value for example.Why is it I wonder that the alchemy that I feel looking at the pictures compared to other cameras is so special?At least to my eyes.And obviously many others?1
I still don’t get why the TL zooms don’t have IS.
Oh no! I think I may have that target on my back. That is, I've got zero serious equipment. Just been honing photo skills thru trial an error, first with an Olympus TG-3 (2014- then gifted it to my son) and now a TG-5 (2017 to present). I'm keeping the 5. It's a good (and unbreakable) camera, perfect for camping, but has photographic limits. I've always dreamed of having a Leica. Now that I have the nickels saved up, I'd like to make the transition from good to great. Thanks for breaking this down so nicely. If I have any money left over after this, I'll buy one of your shirts. Just one question: how long should I wait for that "just a matter of time" thing? I will be furious if L rolls out a full frame or waterproof version of the TL2 right after I get it.
Your the reason I chose this brand over all else and had some nice ones
Enjoy!
Thank you for the comprehensive review. It seems to me that the Germans always focus on quality and not features. The Japanese marketing people love as many features as possible.
Glider Pilot 🙏🏻
An interesting perspective. I think the CL is a small portable X camera with a TL lens mount designed to slip in a handbag and provide Leica quality and is a natural buy for people wanting a walk around compact. Its not a camera I would consider as I would prefer my Leica X113 with its superb 23mm f1.7 Summilux macro. The X113 is a much more conventional camera that oozes Leica quality; it completely changed my photographic style when I bought it; changes that led to my present kit and images. I see the TL2 as a modular workhorse; a digital back for my legacy lenses and a real performer with my two TL AF lenses. I bought a cheap Leica M to TL adapter from China and converted all my other lenses to Leica M fit. I also added a Leica R to M adapter as Leica R lenses are very cheap and have amazing quality; still looking for a Leica 60mm f2.8 R macro as we speak. Mostly I adapt my Nikkor primes and get a bump up in image quality (I gave up on Nikon digital, the results were too harsh, brash and in your face); in particular my Nikkor 35mm f2D benefits from the gorgeous Leica TL2 monochrome image quality. I think Victor of Annie Barton put his finger on it, you want to use and wear a Leica, it is an experience rather than just a machine. The only problem with the TL2 is that when I go out I always seem to pick up my Panasonic GX9 (now fitted with grip) and one of my stunning MFT primes. We live in exciting times; the 2020s will be fully electronic and I think quality will be a driver, particularly with glass; I always choose the lens and then the camera body follows. The law of precedence tells us, the most important thing is the lens followed by the shutter and then the sensor/preamps/processor. I think manufacturers have taken the wrong turn with lenses so I will chose mine very carefully indeed. What, you cant see why shutter? Try using a 14-140mm superzoom on a GX7 and learn to live with shutter shock; the new shutter on the GX9 is fantastic as is the one in the TL2 ;-)
Vici Martynov Have been wondering about the R glass. What would your top 3 bang for the buck - and heart - recommendations be for legacy Leica glass on the TL2?
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Forgive me for stepping in, but, for one of a few occasions, I feel I may bring some value to the conversation.
The R glass, having been imagined, built and optimised for the age of DSLRs, is remarkable in the Leica world for being ever so adaptable to modern systems (even Nikon, with some elbow grease involved). I'm reminded of the famed wide angle smearing and fuzziness one can find when adapting M glass; on a Sony A7* for example. None of these issues plague the R stable, expansive as it is. I own just two of them, but have tested a handful more. The 50mm Summicron-R (1 cam) I own was made in Canada but for all intents and purposes speaks German and calls Wetzlar home. The 250mm Telyt-R - my other R glass - while not as sharp wide open as the Summicron, is a wonderful performer, although at 1.4kg (3lbs) is a workout in itself.
Both of them are stellar on my A7II. The Summicron wide open, although suffering from some - but not awful - chromatic abberation wide open (honestly superb for a lens that was built in 1964) has become my go-to lens for most situations.
Yes, R glass is cheap. Well ... "Leica-cheap". That is, when comparing same focal lengths and apertures to their M counterparts. But they are not actual cheap. A 19mm Elmarit-R v1 will set you back $1500. The same 19mm v2 goes for $2500. There are no Noctiluxes (or is it Noctilii?!) and most focal lengths over 180mm require a sherpa to haul around.
That being said, and to make a long point even longer, I urge you to pick up *any* R lens. There are very few disappointments in their roster and for those their price will reflect it.
Radu Chelariu forgive you? I’m delighted! Thanks for contributing! I will have to check them out.
20:29 you scared the heck out of me 😂🤣😂🤣😂👍👍👍👍
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Thank you for this Video - top!
I'd love your thoughts on the (to me) fascinating M-D 262 and Monochrom.
Jonathan Stay tuned!
Look man; I don't know who you are, but I know genius when I see it.
Yooo maaannnn, finally you make this video!
Panasonic make such nice cameras... 😎😎😎
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recently i suggested your channel to a friend, he responded that ( going from the name) he was glad it wasn't a link to Nikon's R & D dept..................
Great piece. Thanks :)
Ian Robertson Thanks for
The encouragement!
It would be nice if you can use a blower brush to clean up the camera top plate before making the video so it doesn't look so dusty.
If you are on a minuscule budget like Leica lenses, you shoot panasonic FZ camera's .
Rumor is that the Panasonic FF Line will be done with Leica.
Martin Horowitz Wouldn’t that be something!
Stellar
Nice to see you here again, Julio!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions You are part of my continuing education program! I’m tired of dissertations, long office meetings, week long security briefings, and keeping people safe in FU places. Therefore Your channel, Michael the Maven and the Northrups’ are my therapy, my happy place! I learn so much from your channel, it’s amazing! Thank you!!!
I have M's (film and digital) and a SL, but also really love my CL. Call me crazy, but I have just sent my CL off to me IR converted. I have done a fare amount of IR film work, and want to get onto digital IR. I believe/hope that the CL will be just right for this. Time will tell.
Dan Lovely Please keep me posted! How/where will you use it?
Will do. I will not get it back (from Life Pixel) for another week or more. Wanted to have it before Spring (I live in CT, an hour north of NYC) as based on my film work, Spring and Summer IR is really great. I hope to use it in various New England settings, but also in NYC (think central park). Will keep you in the loop.
Maybe I should sigh up for the Streets of New York workshop and test it out there?
Dan Lovely Definitely 😎. We’ll be hitting Central Park, too.
I would LOVE to, but I am not sure that I can pull it off. At the risk of TMI, I have been out of work for the last year and a half (many interviews), but am in final interviews for one job. Will sign up for the workshop if I get an offer, should know soon.
Don't underestimate the importance of Leica's partnership with Panasonic.
Daniel Dougan critically important, agreed!
I really like the TL2, but I'm not a pro, I'm just a guy who likes taking pictures in his free time and I cant justify the price of everything to get up and running on this platform and have decided on a Sony instead, the Leica is a beautiful camera however and I'm sure ill kick myself for not buying it eventually.
You’ll be fine! Enjoy!
@Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions thanks mate👍
I bought them both . My wife not really happy .
Did you give one to HER? 😎
What can you say about the 23 summicron?
Outstanding. We own one.
Thank you. I was just concern if it has the "Leica Look" it is expensive for its size and use. @@3BMEP
Stephen Valera It is a more modern look. But that’s the beauty of the CL: it is the perfectly sized digital Leica EVF body for M glass - and that’s what creates the Leica look.
@@3BMEP Thank you again. I already have a M240 and a 35 Summicron ASPH. I just want a pocket "M", hence, the CL. I was thinking of getting the 23 to serve as my "35" on the CL.
This music is way better :)
Yo, where'd you get that shirt?
David Shaw Duluth Trading.
Would you really choose these two over the SL? No way!
I would. But reasonable people can disagree. :)
Beautiful opening !
So glad you like it!
Because I live about 200 miles away from the nearest Leica store, I ordered a CL on the web. OMG when it arrived I thought they had put the wrong camera in the box. I thought it was a Panasonic, it feels cheap and hollow, and the GX9 I used to have felt just as good. Not in the same league as even the Q and the M's are, well feel like they are made by a prestigious company. No way IMO is the CL worth over 3K!
Sorry that this is your experience with it. GX9 is a great camera, but I experience the CL very differently than you do. Oh well: more budget for other things, including travel! Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I have to disagree on Sony A7s because they have been having too many issues and the Fujifilm X-H1 would do a better job than these cameras. The Sony Eco System stinks because customer service is unreliable and warranty service is useless.
Eating organic hahaha
Yes, you will see a large difference in image quality. A Leica TL2/CL system will have a much WORSE image quality than an equivalently priced system from Sony, for instance.
Interesting - I understand why you'd say so, and in some scenarios I'd agree: the sensors in the $2,000 a7 III or $3,000 a7R III are technically superior in terms of high ISO noise and dynamic range to the sensor in the two Leicas. But would you agree that these are not the only criteria by which one judges an image, and that "much worse" in the real world is open to debate? Thanks for joining the convo!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions The Leicas will have worse image quality than the A73/A7R3/A7R2, with regards to all of the contributing factors. This is a fact. Now, you might naturally prefer the design/ergonomics/user interface of the Leicas. They might inspire you more to go out and shoot etc... However, on that account, the M has even more of that Leica mojo.
I really do need to reacquaint myself with the latest Ms.
Marian Palko I actually have to respectfully disagree, I find and so do the members of our Los Angeles based photographic group in which we all shoot different cameras, when presented with images from Leica including those from the TL2, the group is astonished at the result achieved, technical, aspects aside. When it comes to print, the Leica images are .... extraordinary. Hold that thought .
The Sony is a different type of purpose built camera, they are made for speed and ease of image acquisition as their primary goal. Leicas are slower, they are meant to encourage the user to be more Hands on with the image capture. Moreover Leica bodies,lenses and sensors seem for me, to produce a more pleasing, and detailed image, with greater tonal color range.
I respect these people who can review stuffs they don't like...great acting. The TL lenses are too warm, and feel very artificial. TL and CL is like Boxter or Macan...and M10 is the 911.
Lee Hoon not sure if you think I’m the one acting, but if so: we love the CL and now own one along with the SummicronTL 23 and SummiluxTL 35. We think the glass is incredible, the body superb. I love the M10 line too, but I opted for the SL2 with SummicronSL 35. But reasonable people may can have different opinions, and that’s fine. 🖖🏻.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Are CL and TL2 basically the camera when it comes to sensors and IQ?
Lee Hoon Yes.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions I have been looking at sample images taken with the CL. But somehow the photos were a bit too cute and precious to be taken seriously by photographers and artists. Photography is not my forté but I went to art school and I know when I see good IQ. Just my opinion. Will wait for a better Leica and keep shooting with my X-U.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions yes you may be right. I am beginning to like images shot by the CL more. I am kind of torn between the CL and Nikon d780+ zeiss milvus combo. Hope to make up my mind soon. The silver CL is beautiful.
What happened to your hair, man?
Ron Star hah!
I love your reviews.... but can I suggest you eat a little less acid....
noah wood what’s wrong with acid?
Wait you got married at Starbucks?
Jon Burklund yep! It was AWESOME!
The TL2 is an ugly camera. Self conscious and over thought, the kind of thing a Bond villain would pull out to photograph 007's demise. Truth is all Leica's smaller sensor cameras, with the exception of the M8, predict a use and a user for whom taking great photographs is a distant second to how the thing slips from their tailored pockets.
The Barnacks are a functional masterpiece in comparison to the gratuitous TL2 and only slightly less arch CL.
Five minutes in and you’ve said a lot and yet said nothing.
SOME Leica Lenses can be better respect other brands Lenses and I might pay the price but not for body cameras.. no sense yet to buy SOOOOO expensive DIGITAL Leica Cameras today unless you are a rich person thinking with Leica in your hand you are better photographer shooting better pictures ... Digital Leica Cameras bodies are just ridicules and ..end this is the end in my opinion :))
Reasonable people can disagree, but I hear you - so thanks for weighing in!
don't get me wrong about Leica, roll film cameras are surly great cameras and by the way nothing wrong with your video you Really are a good video maker :)
Giorgio Maturo :)
blah blah blah. long winded & tedious
And yet, here you are, giving us your brilliant synopsis.
HELP ME! Which is better Leica tl2 or d lux 7? 🥹 I want to get one of those 2! ❤
Without knowing what you want or your budget, impossible to answer. With this caveat: TL2.
@@3BMEP my budget is around $1,500. I want it for photography and videography! ☺️
@@Jackie-dy7qu In that case, neither one is a great choice. Look instead at a FujiFilm X-E4 or X-S10 with kit lens or Sigma 18-50/2.8.