Lack of Crisis Intervention Training Leads To Bad Outcome

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  • @kentmains7763
    @kentmains7763 Год назад +218

    She tried very hard to prevent the young man from getting shot.

    • @cowmath77
      @cowmath77 3 месяца назад

      Being empathetic is not the same as doing a good job.

  • @grossguy9570
    @grossguy9570 Год назад +483

    One thing I've learned from working with teens and young adults with mental disabilities or mental health issues it that you should never contradict what they are saying, especially if you can't verify it yourself. If you're suspect says he thinks his father hates him and you've never met him or his family before, you should not say that's not true or no, you're father loves you. You're basically gaslighting the kid, losing his trust and angering him even further all at the same time. Anytime a stranger tells you something about themselves and especially if it's bad, the best thing to do is agree and try to understand to form a connection and then work towards figuring out a solution. Like, ya that sucks dude, fathers can be mean and hateful, what did your father do to you? Did something happen between you two and that's why you're out here holding a knife?

    • @skankhunt3624
      @skankhunt3624 Год назад +29

      Seems like you should work in the mental health field.

    • @jmanrock11
      @jmanrock11 Год назад +16

      Wouldn't it also be bad if you're agreeing that someones Dad does hate them? What if thats the confirmation they needed to go do something crazy

    • @dripdaddy9091
      @dripdaddy9091 Год назад +14

      They would responded back with answer hopefully coming down thinking someone understands

    • @party4keeps28
      @party4keeps28 Год назад +12

      You nailed it.

    • @Randomyoutubecommenter
      @Randomyoutubecommenter Год назад +2

      ​@@jmanrock11there is that. I guess though theres always those people who really ACTUALLY want to die and are ready to die and i guess this is the way to seperate the actors from the real suicidal people in which case they get culled out. The kid in the video didnt actually want to die, hes just sad and angry and wants to be heard.

  • @diy.darien
    @diy.darien Год назад +4

    I think these officers did a fabulous job. Some flaws? Sure. But even the best crisis intervention specialists can't guarantee a successful outcome. This was a successful outcome.

  • @johnnygutierrez9855
    @johnnygutierrez9855 Год назад +14

    Right or wrong she did a nice job despite not having the deescalation skills needed for something like this 💯

    • @kelpfarming
      @kelpfarming Год назад +1

      False. She was advanced for one thing...gender

    • @aaa-hs3it
      @aaa-hs3it 3 месяца назад +1

      @@kelpfarming Her brain has advanced much better than yours clearly
      Good luck at your next shift as a sweeper at mcdonalds!

  • @tajdvl-advocate6113
    @tajdvl-advocate6113 Год назад +11

    John, you can’t possibly know that different de-escalation strategies would have resulted in a different outcome. Is it possible? Yes. But the same could be said with some confidence for virtually any strategy.

    • @ActiveSelfProtection
      @ActiveSelfProtection  Год назад +1

      I literally said exactly what you're saying. I can't tell if it would have gone differently. But I can say that there were opportunities to give a better chance to let him de-escalate himself and not have to shoot him and I stand by that.

  • @generationfallout5189
    @generationfallout5189 Год назад +10

    Great lessons guys. Doing some great work here helping people, to try and see a better way.

  • @jayef10
    @jayef10 Год назад

    Love what you guys do we need it for both officers and citizens just like you’ve preached. You guys give me hope and I hope that your guys guidance reaches as many people as possible. Thank you

  • @ObeseCaligula
    @ObeseCaligula Год назад +47

    When everyone is crazy, there's no possibility of enough super special mental workers.

    • @MattMatt77
      @MattMatt77 Год назад +1

      LMFAOO
      The problem is people go there for stupid petty stuff so people with legitimate issues does end up taking their life. Because they cannot find help.
      So people need to put aside all the stupid alcohol abuse drug abuse and crying that you lost your job or you lost a boyfriend or girlfriend because there are all people out there that have it a lot worse and that really do need help... Now everyone is Triggered over the Facts

    • @DavidDavyDavidson
      @DavidDavyDavidson Год назад +1

      There certainly is a possibility that we can hire enough "super special" mental workers; society as a whole just needs to agree to pay for it. It won't happen overnight, but eventually the market will respond if the pay is good (the pay must be good). This is much preferable to letting the government do what over half the country wants it to do to tackle the perceived crime problem, which is to enact "common sense" restrictions on your 2nd amendment rights.
      So, instead of mocking the notion of recruiting a massive mental health overhaul of the country, maybe we should actually encourage it and get right on top of that and tell our congressmen men in writing that is what we want and that we're willing to pay the monetary price. Making a serious attempt to lift people out of poverty would also tremendously help protect 2a rights, as poverty literally causes crime.

    • @dishar15mony87
      @dishar15mony87 Год назад +1

      Its called having compassion nd empathy for others

    • @skankhunt3624
      @skankhunt3624 Год назад

      ​@@DavidDavyDavidson 🎯

    • @ObeseCaligula
      @ObeseCaligula Год назад

      @@dishar15mony87
      Empathy is a disease typically carried by females. There is no cure.

  • @lschut89
    @lschut89 Год назад +23

    Making a therapist out of a cop doesn’t always work. He already made up his mind he wanted to die. His words not mine. Don’t knock until your wearing the badge thinking about your family at home

    • @deathsaidhello
      @deathsaidhello Год назад

      a kid made up his mind he wanted to die and youre okay with allowing his wanted outcome to be played out without any form of assessment or attempt to find a different path for him... a Kid.
      a Kid.
      kids arent above the law, but not all situations require a body bag to prove the situation is dealt with.

  • @talkntrash
    @talkntrash Год назад +8

    I hope he gets the help and love he needs.
    Good job on the officers. Could've done better but still good job.

  • @seanc8016
    @seanc8016 Год назад +1

    I think she did a great job. Kid lived. No one got hurt.

  • @jmoore4211
    @jmoore4211 Год назад

    She was calm, collected, and cool. Great job girl!

  • @simplelangperorock
    @simplelangperorock Год назад +5

    “Therapeutic Communication.”
    I agree with John. “Let them vent.” ask an “open-ended statement.” Let them talk.
    I am a nurse, I can teach you that crap. Just give me a call.

    • @slymarbo6324
      @slymarbo6324 Год назад

      @@chocolatecoveredgummybears Very high perception skills on this one.

  • @christophersantiago6011
    @christophersantiago6011 Год назад +2

    Heartbreaking to see someone in a place like that.

  • @shootingbricks8554
    @shootingbricks8554 Год назад

    I dealt with a suicidal gal. The more you talk to them and listen, the better off the suicidal person will be. Never use directives on them. That gal I help is still around.

  • @out-landishintheokanagan270
    @out-landishintheokanagan270 Год назад

    Good job, Members - You probably watch the channel. Just a couple extra tips - The bar has been set high, but you can do it.

  • @TheOneHandedCooksman
    @TheOneHandedCooksman Год назад +7

    I don’t have any law enforcement experience, but shit, I’ve been in that kids shoes. I know how hard it can feel sometimes to even want to wake up the next morning. I feel for him on so many levels. I think he just needed someone to talk to and be level with him about how he’s feeling and what brought him to that point. Sometimes just talking about it with someone can bring that stress down, even slightly, and start getting you on the road to getting better. He didn’t have that person to talk to in that moment and I feel for him. That did end badly.

  • @christophersifuentes6179
    @christophersifuentes6179 Год назад

    John you are the man!! With that being said jez she did a good brother

  • @larryfischer638
    @larryfischer638 Год назад +4

    Her job was to stop him from hurting himself or the public and she did it with less legal force, being a social worker will get you killed or somebody else hurt. I've seen people turn from a calm position to a hurtful one in an instance. I think she did a great job in this situation.

    • @Alovepoet
      @Alovepoet Год назад

      Yea police aren’t here to pacify people because they’re having a bad day

  • @MoneybagJurg
    @MoneybagJurg Год назад

    John, loving the hair. Keep feathering it brother.

  • @jackjack33930
    @jackjack33930 Год назад

    Really good job.
    Now, this teen need real help to find happyness in his life.

  • @ecarpo3479
    @ecarpo3479 Год назад +3

    That guy was going to go through with it whatever. Calling him by his name or phrasing her orders slightly differently wouldn't have made any difference. I have seen far more egregious and excessive use of force videos on this channel against mentally ill people that they aren't nearly as upset with and claim were totally justified, not sure why they are so disappointed in this case.

  • @roadArt132
    @roadArt132 Год назад +1

    I'm not saying she didn't do a good job but even an average citizen like me knows about the the de escalation thing, about asking their names telling them yours at least when you witnessed an accident and you're talking to the victims while help is on the way. The best way to go when there's some sort of a crisis situation and the best way to make a connection. I learnt that from things like watching this Channel and movies like Crash. With that said she did a pretty good job

  • @joelcampos8795
    @joelcampos8795 Год назад +11

    I honestly don't see anything wrong with her negating the things he was saying. I've been through depression and you don't know how powerful it is when someone says things like "you are loved" or "you matter" or even "your dad doesn't hate you." It may not be true but it helps to hear those words.

    • @parecearabe
      @parecearabe Год назад +2

      The problem with her negating the things he's saying is that they may be legitimate. So it's best to emphasize and get the person to talk about why h believes that his father hates him.

    • @tulasipriya
      @tulasipriya Год назад +1

      The point is to show you're listening and you see their point of view, not impose your opinion. Why should he believe her when she disagrees with him? She's not listening.

    • @joelcampos8795
      @joelcampos8795 Год назад +1

      ​@@tulasipriya so when someone says "I'm a total screw up and I should die" you should agree? Saying "no that's not true" doesn't mean you're not listening. Yes, she could've asked why he feels that way, but there's nothing wrong with negating his statement.

    • @joelcampos8795
      @joelcampos8795 Год назад +1

      ​@@parecearabe it might be true that his dad hates him. But obviously that's what's causing him to want to die. So why not tell him it's not true? Yeah, she could've asked why he feels that way but I think we're demanding a little too much now. She's a cop, not a therapist.

    • @joelcampos8795
      @joelcampos8795 Год назад +1

      ​@@Life_Is_Torture0000 anger is a secondary emotion. It's usually an indication that someone is hurting. In this case he's obviously hurting because he feels like his dad hates him and that he's a disappointment. So what's wrong with telling him those things aren't true? She's negating the thoughts that are causing him to want to die. Yes, she could've asked why he feels that way. Obviously that would've been helpful. But aren't we demanding a little much from police officers? I think she did a good job overall.

  • @rickcimino5483
    @rickcimino5483 Год назад +1

    I'm not LEO but the first thing that came to my mind is why didn't they ever ask him what his name is?

  • @tk4217777
    @tk4217777 Год назад +4

    You can sense the pain in his voice. That kid’s been through a lot he really thought that there was no better alternative than death. I really hope that he gets the help that he needs.

  • @creekfishingny5448
    @creekfishingny5448 Год назад

    I really appreciate you guys covering these issues objectively. You really do a service.

  • @ElefitTV
    @ElefitTV Год назад

    This was John's best videos... he's for sure a grade A intellectual... (appreciate all you do man)

  • @cory6347
    @cory6347 10 месяцев назад

    He came out to his father, and now he thinks he’s a disappointment to his father and wants to end his life now, why does it have to be like that?

  • @itsstealz3159
    @itsstealz3159 Год назад +1

    Police are NOT in charge of mentally helping kids. They help them get help but you gave her a bad wrap when she told everyone less lethal and tried saving him.

  • @dabz5955
    @dabz5955 Год назад

    He earned this

  • @JKonstanzer
    @JKonstanzer Год назад

    Great feedback for future use

  • @ljvue
    @ljvue Год назад

    She did great. But what you’re saying is also good.

  • @emmanuelgoldstein1918
    @emmanuelgoldstein1918 Год назад +1

    A lot of angry people aren't afraid of being shot, because they've never been shot. Everyone is afraid of being cut, because we all know how that feels. Without more on this person's mental/ situation, I can bet he doesn't want to be shot again.

  • @snicklefritz4209
    @snicklefritz4209 Год назад +1

    She’s a hell of a cop imo

  • @gregbraddy1497
    @gregbraddy1497 Год назад +3

    What else could this police officer have done? Dealing with a mentally person is hard.She did nothing wrong!

    • @Lightning613
      @Lightning613 Год назад

      Yes. Very difficult and takes a lot of energy.

  • @RadOTOW
    @RadOTOW Год назад +1

    For someone whose entire life experience with things like this is vicarious and academic, you sure are quick to focus on the negative rather than the positive in this video. She (and the other officers as well) did far more right than wrong, and yet you're "pissed off" because she didn't ask him what his name was. Her overall situational awareness and tactical decisions from moment-to-evolving-moment were far above average, but you're annoyed because it wasn't in line with your "certified crisis intervention training."
    This is the first video of yours I've ever seen that seems to be more about you and your "certified" status that you seemed to need to mention more than once. For the first time ever I felt like your sense of self-importance took center stage. You had the nerve to title this video "Lack of Crisis Intervention Training Leads to Bad Outcome." You're have no way to know this-- AMAZING "Crisis Intervention Training" may have lead to the same outcome, as even you yourself noted later in the discussion. Considering your complete absence of real-life experience, I would suggest caution in presenting yourself in your phraseology as a final authority on anything like this.
    With 31+ years as a city cop who has actually dealt with way too many situations like this over the decades, I would say: "Really outstanding job, officer. I could Monday-morning quarterback and nitpick a couple of things, but your overall handling of the situation was VERY good."
    This series of videos didn't start out being about you, but slowly and surely it's heading that way. Check your ego and fix your hair. I wonder if this post will mysteriously disappear.

    • @timmyedmond1082
      @timmyedmond1082 Год назад

      100% agree. John’s going off the deep end real quick.

  • @just_me2797
    @just_me2797 Год назад

    The officer that used lethal did not give any chance whatsover for the use of less lethal. For me on this one it falls right near the line of justified, but comes just short. I wouldn't say a criminal conviction is in order, but at least a reprimand and some training in self control.

  • @workoncruiseship
    @workoncruiseship Год назад

    Kid basically going to kill himself/suicide by cops, gets tased, he lives and gets help, no officers or bystanders were killed or even injured= Bad Outcome? ASP getting upset in comments while everyone is commending the officers and wondering what John and Mike are talking about= Priceless.

  • @Jedi_Jed
    @Jedi_Jed Год назад +1

    I’m not Christian but I feel that protecting is a spiritual calling and really appreciate you guys talking about empathy and mental health. Thank you.

  • @mrequi1
    @mrequi1 Год назад

    Once again John. Your advice saved my life. 2 days ago I was subject to a random and brutal attack at a gas station. At 6 in the afternoon.
    I don't recall exactly but words were exchanged. Next thing I know is there is a guy on top of me raining down devastating blows on my head. I'm not sure, but I think I heard Johns voice saying gouge his eyes out. I got my thumb halfway into his eye socket and was pulling hard. He didn't react, but I was able to get away and summon help from a store clerk. Then I collapsed on the grass. I'm still alive thanks to ASP and my calm despite a desperate situation. Thanks again John and company for at least giving me the mind to be calm and get out of a situation that could very well have meant death to me.
    My eternal gratitude, respect, and admiration. You've truly saved my life twice.
    LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. ITS A ROUGH WORLD TODAY. THEY KNOW WHAT THE F**K THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    • @johnwool
      @johnwool Год назад

      Feels good to be alive, eh? Did you give thanks to God?

  • @jourdenne
    @jourdenne Год назад

    I spent the first 57 years of my life in Bakersfield. This was actually pretty good for the BPD, in my experience they are for the most part badge heavy thugs who have open contempt for the citizens they are supposed to serve.

  • @michaelbrownlee4857
    @michaelbrownlee4857 Год назад +1

    11:04
    It's Mike's son in this video and he just admitted online, on RUclips he hates him😞

  • @maxbaum7959
    @maxbaum7959 8 месяцев назад

    It's terrible to see how much goes wrong in police work, but you also have to say that 95% of police work is carried out professionally! The problem is that people quickly forget good things and remember bad things forever. You are rarely rewarded for good work but ALWAYS punished for mistakes. life is not easy !

  • @tw5681
    @tw5681 Год назад

    She did a great job... but to the guys with less lethel- I was almost yelling at the screen LAUNCHER, LAUNCHER, LAUNCHER, TAZER, TAZER, TAZER, GO, DO IT!

  • @kendallancaster9988
    @kendallancaster9988 Год назад

    Its crazy how you see someone cryin n dont ask whats wrong

  • @nifer968
    @nifer968 10 месяцев назад

    You could tell this guy did not want to hurt anybody but himself. I wish there was a way to disable somebody from greater distance. She was an awesome officer. She could tell where his mind was and knew how to handle him. I agree there has to be a lethal weapon in wait. Some people want to take people with them, but this guy didn't sound like it, but I do not want to put officers life in jeopardy.

  • @nrconnor60
    @nrconnor60 Год назад

    Are you kidding me ASP? These officers showed incredible restraint. This female officer did a great job on handling this call. I'm tired of people like you Monday night quarterbacking these types of situations. You think you can do a better job? Then put your life on the line and become an officer and a force instructor.

  • @Vinlaell
    @Vinlaell Год назад

    Why did that one cop have to have his pistol fire on a kid when he got riddled full of taser darts? Some people just show up hoping to kill somebody

  • @DavidDost
    @DavidDost Год назад

    Thank god he didn't die.

  • @Definitely-Not-A-Cop
    @Definitely-Not-A-Cop Год назад

    “She hasn’t been trained in the deescalation strategies that would’ve proven effective here.” Spoken definitively by someone who’s clearly never been a cop and never been in this situation. I’m CIT certified and I think she did a great job. Could she have done more? Maybe. Would it have worked? There’s no way of knowing. It’s my professional opinion this kid had his mind made up already. Just because it’s taught in a class doesn’t mean it always works. Before someone comments, yes I have been in this situation with a man who pulled a knife on me from about 15 feet away. It was clear he wanted suicide by cop, and after about 30 minutes of connecting with him I got him to drop it without further incident. I’ve also seen a man hold a 9mm to his chest for 3 hours while an expert negotiator/CIT officer spoke with him at great length. In the end he pulled the trigger and was dead in 30 seconds. There’s no such thing as “the way”, only “a way” and sometimes it just doesn’t work.

  • @Jbeggar
    @Jbeggar Год назад +1

    American police need to learn how to disengage a knife from a suspect. Japanese cops sure know how.

  • @gabesmith9171
    @gabesmith9171 Год назад

    Why isn’t there like a a net device that can be deployed in situations like this?

  • @lessharratt8719
    @lessharratt8719 Год назад +1

    Female officer did great. The outcome is a good outcome. End of story.

  • @duckling4393
    @duckling4393 Год назад +4

    Last

  • @bigfish8280
    @bigfish8280 Год назад

    Clearly asking someone to drop their weapon and claiming that you were there to help them is of no help whatsoever! At least when it comes to a person in temporary mental distress or one who is clinically mentally ill!

  • @MadGoat360
    @MadGoat360 Год назад

    Why aren't cops using OC anymore in any of these videos?

  • @LivingWithHarlow
    @LivingWithHarlow Год назад

    All the training in the WORLD doesn't always mean it would have worked...... you can't de-escalate every situation

  • @1FeistyKitty
    @1FeistyKitty 10 месяцев назад

    OMG she said "less lethal first" in front of him ----

  • @sethmarkowitz6660
    @sethmarkowitz6660 Год назад

    I knew something was wrong when the female cop had to go around and remind everyone to use less-lethal. I'm not even a cop and I know not to do that when dealing with a suicidal subject. I don't think there's a single PD in the entire US that trains officers to immediately go for lethal force in these situations. Then, to add some super sour-tasting icing on the cake, one officer STILL forgot not to use lethal force. The lady officer did good, unfortunately the other officers were trash.

  • @Steven-rp8zo
    @Steven-rp8zo Год назад +1

    She tried to nag him to death. That always works well on angry adolescent men! 🤣

  • @victortfuentes
    @victortfuentes Год назад +1

    Overall she did a good job 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @briancarno8837
    @briancarno8837 Год назад

    they got him the help he needs...the same as they got the thousands of mentally ill homless living on the streets the help they need

  • @shadowballen6463
    @shadowballen6463 Год назад

    Of all the poor decision made by cops... this definitely was not a bad outcome. No lives lost, someone who needs help will get it and everyone gets to see tomorrow. Not sure what else was going to happen.

  • @VideoconferencingUSA
    @VideoconferencingUSA Год назад

    THUMBS DOWN: John your intro mic isn’t working. The rest is good.

  • @JK-gq5rl
    @JK-gq5rl Год назад

    What a waste of resources. Give him what he wants, and move on.

  • @wonderweasle2212
    @wonderweasle2212 Год назад

    Why did a cop shoot? She told everyone to put them away and only use less lethal

  • @00sh0tay
    @00sh0tay Год назад

    Why doesn't every department have the bean bag?

  • @MC-ht3vr
    @MC-ht3vr Год назад

    I think she did a great job all around, and at the same time I think they would have unalived him if he was black

  • @Drumit22
    @Drumit22 Год назад +1

    You’re out of your mind bud, don’t know what else the cops could have done

  • @Schlofhardknocks
    @Schlofhardknocks Год назад

    The Officers did a good job, however yes trying to build a better rapport with the subject may have helped. Let's try a little harder to humanize the badge, make a new friend, you never truly know what that man has been through today unless you were there.

  • @Flyingdinosaur69
    @Flyingdinosaur69 Год назад

    How much clearer could she have said "LESS LETHAL"! Dude that shot is stupid

  • @GamerShock
    @GamerShock Год назад

    If they don't have a gun, but only a knife. could you be justified in shooting their leg? I know any gunshot could potentially kill you, but if they want death my cop it goes to reason that they wouldn't be willing to do it themselves? And a leg wound stops them from being able to approach. Not that a leg shot is easy to pull off if someone is charging you with a knife...just a thought i had though.

  • @supremekingd775
    @supremekingd775 Год назад

    Yeah the female cop need to work on her de escalation skills. Not saying that the kid could’ve been de escalated if she connected with him but it could’ve looked better for her sake because people are going to see her body camera and start going after her department.

  • @pissedoffpatriot1516
    @pissedoffpatriot1516 Год назад +668

    I think she did far better than the average police response, especially compared to every other woman cop on this channel.

    • @ellencox8415
      @ellencox8415 Год назад +9

      So true

    • @terrorreign7793
      @terrorreign7793 Год назад +14

      women. lmao

    • @ea5yliver
      @ea5yliver Год назад +12

      Yeah, absolutely. She seemed pretty confident and had a solid presence of command.

    • @ea5yliver
      @ea5yliver Год назад +8

      ​@@terrorreign7793 ☕

    • @jaybanks1947
      @jaybanks1947 Год назад +37

      You gotta remember he always picks videos where people screw up, whether male or female. There’s alot of males that screw up too, panic, scream, etc so don’t just pick on female officers.

  • @Beavis4pres
    @Beavis4pres Год назад +294

    Say what you want, she did better than most I have seen. She did a great job getting less than lethal in play. There is a high likelihood that the rest of the officers might have had a very binary approach that would have ended with either pure compliance or death.

    • @jeezus666
      @jeezus666 Год назад +14

      The only thing I thought was a bit weird was that I could see his escalation into starting running against them coming from a mile away. As soon as he started to breathe very heavily and working himself up I would've deployed the tazers. Other than that it was a job well done.
      Lucky for the kid this woman was on scene. 9/10 times these situations end up with the guy having 15 bullet holes in him within minutes of the cops rolling onto the scene and ten cops just yelling "drop the fucking knife" all at once.

    • @narcleptik
      @narcleptik Год назад

      Very true

  • @glenharrison1411
    @glenharrison1411 Год назад +443

    She done a great job man, give her the credit. She literally walked around to ensure other cops switched to less lethal too. RESPECT and appreciation!

    • @ryanhenro7649
      @ryanhenro7649 Год назад +13

      She got mine...and yours

    • @narcleptik
      @narcleptik Год назад +12

      Mine too, we need cops like that.

    • @allenbolen9705
      @allenbolen9705 Год назад +7

      These guy’s sound like they want to send social workers instead of police! 🤯

    • @LITTLE1994
      @LITTLE1994 Год назад +1

      Indeed

    • @AapVanDieKaap
      @AapVanDieKaap Год назад

      This is how police are in other countries. It's only in the US that the cops shoot first and think later.

  • @taydestiny38
    @taydestiny38 Год назад +84

    Dude…you lost me on this one. The guy didn’t get filled with holes, she calmly commanded her fellow Officers under extreme stress and the situation got handled without any deaths. To nitpick about some of her dialogue seems a bit extreme. She may not have taken the same class as you, but she handled her business in a real life situation, so she has my upmost respect.

    • @MoonsideResident
      @MoonsideResident Год назад +13

      Exactly. I don't understand his takes sometimes. I wouldn't call this a bad outcome at all. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it I'd say it was at least a good outcome, overall.

    • @jdigga247
      @jdigga247 Год назад +6

      Because she really did nothing to help. No one knows what would’ve happened if she used different de-escalation tools but I’m guessing that kid may not have been shot. Maybe he would’ve broken down and maybe he would’ve sat down and talked with the lady.

    • @JonnyBeoulve
      @JonnyBeoulve Год назад +3

      She did a terrible job. Heart was in the right place but the guy was clearly suicidal and suffering, and all she could say is everything is going to be alright and that he has to drop the weapon. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't take those words seriously at all.

    • @ilikeitwhatisit6749
      @ilikeitwhatisit6749 7 месяцев назад

      What was the point in having all that less than lethal if your not gonna use it pepper spray could've been in play here as mentioned in the breakdown. The 40 mm launcher you have ine use it the Goal is to get him separated from that knife and ibeleive they could've used pain compliance to achieve that goal stop telling him were not gonna shoot you and yet you shoot him anyway. She tried to do a good job but just asking hey do you have less lethal didnt resolve this situation.she did all that blocking off the road and walking round asking this and that and the dude still got shot. I dint understand why as tax payers we have to pay for all this equipment that they aren't gonna use.

  • @ejgalindo82
    @ejgalindo82 Год назад +339

    That female officer saved that kids life, she kept telling her fellow officers to use non lethal over and over again. And one officer still used lethal force on the kid 🤦‍♂️ if that female officer would not had been there, that kid would had been lit up with holes all over his body.

    • @jackiec498
      @jackiec498 Год назад +22

      Facts.

    • @ea5yliver
      @ea5yliver Год назад +18

      I will say, at the very least, common SOP's dictate having one officer with lethal first and foremost as a baseline so that whoever comes about from there can employ less-than-lethal measures while still being covered. It may not have been what she'd asked for but, at that point, it wasn't incorrect for that officer to employ that lethal measure.
      The situation was just mishandled to let it get that far in the first place.

    • @mackdaddy4353
      @mackdaddy4353 Год назад +9

      Agreed! 100% he would have been filled in if she wasn’t there….

    • @davidswanson5669
      @davidswanson5669 Год назад +6

      @@ea5yliver I like that way of things playing out. Always have one person with lethal, otherwise the cops are sitting ducks, but relay to the suspect that the cops aren’t there to do harm. It’s the same presence as any concealed owner - appear harmless but always ready to do what must be done.

    • @MakerBees333
      @MakerBees333 Год назад +3

      Who knows maybe one entrance and exit hole was required to help snap him back to reality. We can hope he is getting help and the newly graduated psychologists, who have less training than these officers, don’t leave him worse off.

  • @bhowett
    @bhowett Год назад +22

    @ActiveSelfProtection I was in a bad spot as a teen almost the same same situation I had a knife and many cops with guns drawn. One cop wanted to talk and I said can we walk while we talk, and he did it …. we walked about two blocks ( so did the other cops with guns still pointing ) anyway he literally changed my life… I went into the Marine’s, DOC, blah blah blah and have had a pretty good life.
    The mental thing is real, but not everyone is “crazy” I was young and just needed a little guidance. I wish I knew who that cop was, but I never seen him again.

    • @victorbostitch2294
      @victorbostitch2294 Год назад +3

      Wonder if he knew how much of a difference he made. Good guy

    • @jackiec498
      @jackiec498 Год назад +2

      That's really cool. I'm glad someone cared enough to talk to you instead of puttin holes in you.

    • @jackiec498
      @jackiec498 Год назад +4

      You wouldnt be white by chance? Nah jkjk . Mostly.😊

    • @ActiveSelfProtection
      @ActiveSelfProtection  Год назад +3

      Dude, what an incredible story. I am in tears. Thank you for sharing it, it made my day to hear that the officer was there for you!!

  • @RGuzmanish
    @RGuzmanish Год назад +276

    This officer in charge did great for a police officer! She is a cop not a mental health practitioner!

    • @VinnyManny
      @VinnyManny Год назад +6

      Thank you. A police officer job was not created to treat mental illness. That is what psychiatrists are for. Completely different fields. Officers are trained to take people into custody using tools that universal to the field of work they do.
      This would be the equivalent of giving a taser to a mental illness health practitioner and expecting them to know exactly how to use it and when to. it just does not work that way.

    • @davidoberlin4186
      @davidoberlin4186 Год назад

      They should be. If they have the means to shoot people, they should be able to provide mental health.

    • @luckythagreat
      @luckythagreat Год назад +19

      But shouldn’t they have that skill knowing that they deal with a lot of people with different personalities on a daily basis isn’t it their jobs to protect and serve even if it’s from yourself

    • @tulasipriya
      @tulasipriya Год назад +15

      They need to be human beings before all else. A mentally unwell person is also a human being. That's the meeting point. Expecting someone to rESpeCT yOuR aUtHoRItY when they're that distressed shows you're too caught up in your role to try to connect with another person. You don't need to be trained in mental health to at least do a better job than constantly saying "Drop the knife!" over and over again.

    • @Playa001
      @Playa001 Год назад

      @@luckythagreat yes they should. You wanna be a damn cop then be a cop all the way. No I’m between. Soldiers go to places to kill and ask no questions. Officers must do better.

  • @LITTLE1994
    @LITTLE1994 Год назад +35

    The officer was very professional in trying to prevent lethal shots from happening. Great work by them.

    • @angelcelis9090
      @angelcelis9090 Год назад +2

      lady cop was the only good cop on scene.

  • @jxhkb
    @jxhkb Год назад +21

    I think the kid is alive because of her. All the other cops would’ve gone gun happy if she wasn’t in their ear saying none lethal.

  • @135jec
    @135jec Год назад +53

    This was hard to watch😢, but in the sense that ive been there, suicidal, depressed, feeling like there's nothing more you can do to make life better. And even though im doing much better , i just wish we could help these kids going through these storms. He was ready to die.... im glad they handled it ok at least, but i teared up watching this..

    • @sdraper2011
      @sdraper2011 Год назад +7

      It was heart-wrenching to watch someone in that much pain. Glad you're doing better today, 135jec.

  • @Optimalworld
    @Optimalworld Год назад +97

    that’s a tough situation, I think she tried very hard and did well. Hope he recovers and gets help.

    • @angelcelis9090
      @angelcelis9090 Год назад

      it's her officers who are useless

    • @angelcelis9090
      @angelcelis9090 Год назад

      she did amazing it's her officers who are messes.

  • @edwardsinke5798
    @edwardsinke5798 Год назад +48

    This was an excellent officer. She really tried to help this guy out and if it hadn’t been for her, he probably would be dead..

    • @angelcelis9090
      @angelcelis9090 Год назад

      yeah she was the only good cop on scene the other officers are trained to be scarred of the public.

  • @kelz-TK
    @kelz-TK Год назад +7

    She did fairly well tbh

  • @_face773
    @_face773 Год назад +5

    She didn't do a terrible job

  • @benburnett8109
    @benburnett8109 Год назад +6

    ASP once again steps all over common sense and projects their own flaws.

    • @ActiveSelfProtection
      @ActiveSelfProtection  Год назад

      What specifically don't you agree with here?

    • @benburnett8109
      @benburnett8109 Год назад +4

      @@ActiveSelfProtection YOU KNOW these officers do not get all of the training she or they needed. You know that for a fact. Defund not ULTRA fund is the current trend. And you jacklegs act like every officer has thousands of personal dollars to get all the grappling and de-escalation training that you non officers have. THis Officer did everything she could to de-escalate the situation with everything she had. She spoke with every officer on scene and had TOTAL control of the scene. Even going so far as to restrict officers to less lethal. You both speak as IF your conversations with the kid would have 100% saved his life. You do not know that. You can't see the future and you should not assume that you could have saved this kid. Tunrs out that this group of officers had enough training to save his life and theirs. This group of officers did everything they could with everything they had to de-escalate and save this kids life. And you know what happened? They did. How dare you crap on that. One officer shot once. Show me the last time that happened??

    • @ActiveSelfProtection
      @ActiveSelfProtection  Год назад

      Go google CIT International. This is training that many Law Enforcement folks can get paid for by their department and if not it’s not thousands of dollars. I took this training with a group of officers and it was really helpful. There is no reason for you to be as worked up and insulting as you are but it’s nice that you come her spouting insults rather than ideas or solutions.

    • @benburnett8109
      @benburnett8109 Год назад +1

      @@chocolatecoveredgummybears Yeah, he's nuked them before. Overall I've learned a great deal from ASP. But when they act all high and mighty and exhibit an atitude where "THIS JUST PISSES THEM OFF" at the beginning of a video, I'm going to say something. I stand by my comments. These officers acted within policy and with great compassion. These officers also saved the kids life. John and the other guy seem to have a big issue with anybody who dare challenge "their thought process"
      It seems that John forgets that the football game is always easier on Monday morning, the day after it's played.

    • @ActiveSelfProtection
      @ActiveSelfProtection  Год назад

      Hey Ben, you know the best players and coaches in any game watch film to get better right?

  • @Kushey4025
    @Kushey4025 Год назад +108

    I really feel like they need to look into this kids home life. That kind of mental state doesn't just happen.

    • @tera_2024
      @tera_2024 Год назад +6

      Be quiet 🙄

    • @Kushey4025
      @Kushey4025 Год назад +37

      @@tera_2024 imagine not caring about a childs mental state pretty fucked up

    • @skankhunt3624
      @skankhunt3624 Год назад +4

      ​@@Kushey4025 hey, he can't help it, he's just a republican.

    • @dreammeer2068
      @dreammeer2068 Год назад

      @@skankhunt3624 tf does that have to do w anything you weird af

    • @emperorgolden8425
      @emperorgolden8425 Год назад

      Maybe? For a cause of these thoughts of ending it, yes

  • @letmeseeitbounce
    @letmeseeitbounce Год назад +6

    What you do is . . . Overwhelm him with a couple tazers and bean bag shots and move in on him

  • @Mukinrestak
    @Mukinrestak Год назад +89

    Mr. Correia, when someone says they want to die, I think it's fair to trust them. The goal is to change their mind. I've struggled with depression for most of my life, and if/when I say I want to die I absolutely mean it. I'm not sure what the best response would have been here, but I know danged well he meant it.

    • @matthewellisor5835
      @matthewellisor5835 Год назад +2

      Muk, I'm Matt. May I ask your opinion from that(those) experience(s) about how I reacted and tried to help someone? This is just a few lines from my perspective but any feedback is appreciated.
      I'd like to help, I heard that you said you wanted to die. Is that right? That sounds like a horrible feeling. I don't know what that's like but I want to hear you, could you tell me about it to help me understand?
      Break it down for me; did something happen today to make you feel this way? What was that?
      Or, have these feelings been building? What happened today that was the straw on the camel's back? We all have those times when it's just one thing too many. Please, tell me about this one.
      That sounds awful and I'd probably feel like that too. I know that neither of us lives in such a fantasy world but if things were all unicorns and rainbows, where would you go and what would happen?
      I'm hearing that 'X' is that right? I know someone who can help, should I see if they can come over?
      Until then, would you like a bottle of water? Would you set the knife there and come over here so that we shall sit together and talk. Is that okay?

    • @gurkagurkadurka6688
      @gurkagurkadurka6688 Год назад +3

      As a lifelong sufferer of major depression (to the point of long term involuntary commitment at one time), I disagree. I think, more often than not, people who say they want to die don't actually want to. They are just desperate for someone to save them from themselves. In my experience, the folks that actually want to die dont say a word. They let their actions do the talking.
      Not saying I am an expert. Or that I know more than you. Or that you are wrong. I just disagree going off what I have seen, witnessed, and experienced. What you have seen, witnessed or experienced may be completely different.
      Either way, glad you're still here. Glad i'm still here too. 🤜🤛

    • @-Master_Of_Disaster
      @-Master_Of_Disaster Год назад

      @@matthewellisor5835 Bro, that's pretty good stuff. You do not deny the suspect nor do you try hard to compare his feelings with the ones you've earned in your life. Because something a suicidal person wants NOT to hear is like: "Yeah bro, same here! Let's get BFF!" Even if you had such feelings and thoughts in the past yourself, it's not the moment to talk about you, it's about the human in front of you. Even if you tell the person you had the same struggle in life, normally the patient won't believe you. So it's a cul-de-sac.
      Also he doesn't want to hear like: "Nah brah! It's fine, you really don't want to kill yourself you know?".
      But what I see, there are a lot of starter questions in your text. Think about what you'll say if the person is really answering to your questions too.
      For example, You: "What happened today that was the straw on the camel's back?"
      Patient: "My GF dumped me, I'm alone with old Grandpa who needs care but I'm unemployed at the time and don't know to handle this! So I'm ending this now!"
      What will be your response? It's hard to answer to such statements. On what do you focus? The GF? The Grandpa? The unemployment? The suicide attempt? You have to react in a split second to answer or you'll be not trustworthy anymore and loose a lot of points.

  • @PaulAmerican
    @PaulAmerican Год назад +29

    These cops did a great job.

    • @BiffBuffchest
      @BiffBuffchest Год назад +1

      I agree, they all went home to their families, the kid survived and is hopefully getting the help he needs. The only problem i see is that they waited waaaaaaay too long to tase or bean bag him. They were letting him control the situation.

  • @brandnewty
    @brandnewty Год назад +4

    Armchair QB on this one, she did fine.

  • @95TurboSol
    @95TurboSol Год назад +13

    Thank you for mentioning pepper spray, I can't believe we have quit using it in modern times, especially since tasers have such issues being effective.

    • @Liberalmediasucks
      @Liberalmediasucks Год назад

      You can easily get stabbed to death in the time it would take effect. You have to be much too close to use pepper spray.

    • @greenyoshi777
      @greenyoshi777 Год назад +2

      People hate spray because it's so hard to decontaminate after it's deployed and everyone gets exposed to it. I personally like it because it DOES have an effect and some people insist it might work more often than a tazer but depends on who you talk to.

  • @catousmob
    @catousmob Год назад +6

    John, I defer in this cas3. The lead officer Commanded the scene and stressed less lethal first. She lead her team and worrked to de-escalate the scene. Got the perp to stop multiple times... Sometimes the suicide by cop perp is resistant to any formal contact.

  • @justinking4468
    @justinking4468 Год назад +7

    Overall I think that went well. Everyone lives another day to make better decisions .

  • @tubinmywayhome
    @tubinmywayhome Год назад +13

    In this situation, the higher ranking female officer should have been managing the officers alone. Have others on the squad who are trained to deescalate handle the kid. Doing both jobs well is a tough ask. She could have been setting up the less lethal options while someone concentrated solely on talking this kid off the ledge. In 28 years I only had one suicide by cop be successful and there was no talking him down, no matter what we said.

    • @MRP78
      @MRP78 Год назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing. She wanted to manage the entire scene and didn't allow anyone else to contribute until it was too late.

    • @kelpfarming
      @kelpfarming Год назад +1

      How is it she was in cahrge? I know, she fuflilled a affirmative action check off

    • @kenthawley5990
      @kenthawley5990 Год назад

      That would be optimal, but that assumes someone else has the de-escalation skills.

  • @Wilders53
    @Wilders53 Год назад +5

    Sad. This man needs a hug from his dad. I couldn't imagine having a shit head father! Makes me appreciate the father I did have! Rip pop

  • @misscamaross2220
    @misscamaross2220 Год назад +8

    Yes, the female officer definitely tried!