Lack of Crisis Intervention Training Leads To Bad Outcome
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Attitude. Skills. Plan.
She tried very hard to prevent the young man from getting shot.
Being empathetic is not the same as doing a good job.
One thing I've learned from working with teens and young adults with mental disabilities or mental health issues it that you should never contradict what they are saying, especially if you can't verify it yourself. If you're suspect says he thinks his father hates him and you've never met him or his family before, you should not say that's not true or no, you're father loves you. You're basically gaslighting the kid, losing his trust and angering him even further all at the same time. Anytime a stranger tells you something about themselves and especially if it's bad, the best thing to do is agree and try to understand to form a connection and then work towards figuring out a solution. Like, ya that sucks dude, fathers can be mean and hateful, what did your father do to you? Did something happen between you two and that's why you're out here holding a knife?
Seems like you should work in the mental health field.
Wouldn't it also be bad if you're agreeing that someones Dad does hate them? What if thats the confirmation they needed to go do something crazy
They would responded back with answer hopefully coming down thinking someone understands
You nailed it.
@@jmanrock11there is that. I guess though theres always those people who really ACTUALLY want to die and are ready to die and i guess this is the way to seperate the actors from the real suicidal people in which case they get culled out. The kid in the video didnt actually want to die, hes just sad and angry and wants to be heard.
I think these officers did a fabulous job. Some flaws? Sure. But even the best crisis intervention specialists can't guarantee a successful outcome. This was a successful outcome.
Right or wrong she did a nice job despite not having the deescalation skills needed for something like this 💯
False. She was advanced for one thing...gender
@@kelpfarming Her brain has advanced much better than yours clearly
Good luck at your next shift as a sweeper at mcdonalds!
John, you can’t possibly know that different de-escalation strategies would have resulted in a different outcome. Is it possible? Yes. But the same could be said with some confidence for virtually any strategy.
I literally said exactly what you're saying. I can't tell if it would have gone differently. But I can say that there were opportunities to give a better chance to let him de-escalate himself and not have to shoot him and I stand by that.
Great lessons guys. Doing some great work here helping people, to try and see a better way.
Love what you guys do we need it for both officers and citizens just like you’ve preached. You guys give me hope and I hope that your guys guidance reaches as many people as possible. Thank you
When everyone is crazy, there's no possibility of enough super special mental workers.
LMFAOO
The problem is people go there for stupid petty stuff so people with legitimate issues does end up taking their life. Because they cannot find help.
So people need to put aside all the stupid alcohol abuse drug abuse and crying that you lost your job or you lost a boyfriend or girlfriend because there are all people out there that have it a lot worse and that really do need help... Now everyone is Triggered over the Facts
There certainly is a possibility that we can hire enough "super special" mental workers; society as a whole just needs to agree to pay for it. It won't happen overnight, but eventually the market will respond if the pay is good (the pay must be good). This is much preferable to letting the government do what over half the country wants it to do to tackle the perceived crime problem, which is to enact "common sense" restrictions on your 2nd amendment rights.
So, instead of mocking the notion of recruiting a massive mental health overhaul of the country, maybe we should actually encourage it and get right on top of that and tell our congressmen men in writing that is what we want and that we're willing to pay the monetary price. Making a serious attempt to lift people out of poverty would also tremendously help protect 2a rights, as poverty literally causes crime.
Its called having compassion nd empathy for others
@@DavidDavyDavidson 🎯
@@dishar15mony87
Empathy is a disease typically carried by females. There is no cure.
Making a therapist out of a cop doesn’t always work. He already made up his mind he wanted to die. His words not mine. Don’t knock until your wearing the badge thinking about your family at home
a kid made up his mind he wanted to die and youre okay with allowing his wanted outcome to be played out without any form of assessment or attempt to find a different path for him... a Kid.
a Kid.
kids arent above the law, but not all situations require a body bag to prove the situation is dealt with.
I hope he gets the help and love he needs.
Good job on the officers. Could've done better but still good job.
I think she did a great job. Kid lived. No one got hurt.
She was calm, collected, and cool. Great job girl!
“Therapeutic Communication.”
I agree with John. “Let them vent.” ask an “open-ended statement.” Let them talk.
I am a nurse, I can teach you that crap. Just give me a call.
@@chocolatecoveredgummybears Very high perception skills on this one.
Heartbreaking to see someone in a place like that.
I dealt with a suicidal gal. The more you talk to them and listen, the better off the suicidal person will be. Never use directives on them. That gal I help is still around.
Good job, Members - You probably watch the channel. Just a couple extra tips - The bar has been set high, but you can do it.
I don’t have any law enforcement experience, but shit, I’ve been in that kids shoes. I know how hard it can feel sometimes to even want to wake up the next morning. I feel for him on so many levels. I think he just needed someone to talk to and be level with him about how he’s feeling and what brought him to that point. Sometimes just talking about it with someone can bring that stress down, even slightly, and start getting you on the road to getting better. He didn’t have that person to talk to in that moment and I feel for him. That did end badly.
John you are the man!! With that being said jez she did a good brother
Her job was to stop him from hurting himself or the public and she did it with less legal force, being a social worker will get you killed or somebody else hurt. I've seen people turn from a calm position to a hurtful one in an instance. I think she did a great job in this situation.
Yea police aren’t here to pacify people because they’re having a bad day
John, loving the hair. Keep feathering it brother.
Really good job.
Now, this teen need real help to find happyness in his life.
That guy was going to go through with it whatever. Calling him by his name or phrasing her orders slightly differently wouldn't have made any difference. I have seen far more egregious and excessive use of force videos on this channel against mentally ill people that they aren't nearly as upset with and claim were totally justified, not sure why they are so disappointed in this case.
I'm not saying she didn't do a good job but even an average citizen like me knows about the the de escalation thing, about asking their names telling them yours at least when you witnessed an accident and you're talking to the victims while help is on the way. The best way to go when there's some sort of a crisis situation and the best way to make a connection. I learnt that from things like watching this Channel and movies like Crash. With that said she did a pretty good job
I honestly don't see anything wrong with her negating the things he was saying. I've been through depression and you don't know how powerful it is when someone says things like "you are loved" or "you matter" or even "your dad doesn't hate you." It may not be true but it helps to hear those words.
The problem with her negating the things he's saying is that they may be legitimate. So it's best to emphasize and get the person to talk about why h believes that his father hates him.
The point is to show you're listening and you see their point of view, not impose your opinion. Why should he believe her when she disagrees with him? She's not listening.
@@tulasipriya so when someone says "I'm a total screw up and I should die" you should agree? Saying "no that's not true" doesn't mean you're not listening. Yes, she could've asked why he feels that way, but there's nothing wrong with negating his statement.
@@parecearabe it might be true that his dad hates him. But obviously that's what's causing him to want to die. So why not tell him it's not true? Yeah, she could've asked why he feels that way but I think we're demanding a little too much now. She's a cop, not a therapist.
@@Life_Is_Torture0000 anger is a secondary emotion. It's usually an indication that someone is hurting. In this case he's obviously hurting because he feels like his dad hates him and that he's a disappointment. So what's wrong with telling him those things aren't true? She's negating the thoughts that are causing him to want to die. Yes, she could've asked why he feels that way. Obviously that would've been helpful. But aren't we demanding a little much from police officers? I think she did a good job overall.
I'm not LEO but the first thing that came to my mind is why didn't they ever ask him what his name is?
You can sense the pain in his voice. That kid’s been through a lot he really thought that there was no better alternative than death. I really hope that he gets the help that he needs.
He lives in america, so sadly I doubt it
I really appreciate you guys covering these issues objectively. You really do a service.
This was John's best videos... he's for sure a grade A intellectual... (appreciate all you do man)
He came out to his father, and now he thinks he’s a disappointment to his father and wants to end his life now, why does it have to be like that?
Police are NOT in charge of mentally helping kids. They help them get help but you gave her a bad wrap when she told everyone less lethal and tried saving him.
He earned this
Great feedback for future use
She did great. But what you’re saying is also good.
A lot of angry people aren't afraid of being shot, because they've never been shot. Everyone is afraid of being cut, because we all know how that feels. Without more on this person's mental/ situation, I can bet he doesn't want to be shot again.
She’s a hell of a cop imo
What else could this police officer have done? Dealing with a mentally person is hard.She did nothing wrong!
Yes. Very difficult and takes a lot of energy.
For someone whose entire life experience with things like this is vicarious and academic, you sure are quick to focus on the negative rather than the positive in this video. She (and the other officers as well) did far more right than wrong, and yet you're "pissed off" because she didn't ask him what his name was. Her overall situational awareness and tactical decisions from moment-to-evolving-moment were far above average, but you're annoyed because it wasn't in line with your "certified crisis intervention training."
This is the first video of yours I've ever seen that seems to be more about you and your "certified" status that you seemed to need to mention more than once. For the first time ever I felt like your sense of self-importance took center stage. You had the nerve to title this video "Lack of Crisis Intervention Training Leads to Bad Outcome." You're have no way to know this-- AMAZING "Crisis Intervention Training" may have lead to the same outcome, as even you yourself noted later in the discussion. Considering your complete absence of real-life experience, I would suggest caution in presenting yourself in your phraseology as a final authority on anything like this.
With 31+ years as a city cop who has actually dealt with way too many situations like this over the decades, I would say: "Really outstanding job, officer. I could Monday-morning quarterback and nitpick a couple of things, but your overall handling of the situation was VERY good."
This series of videos didn't start out being about you, but slowly and surely it's heading that way. Check your ego and fix your hair. I wonder if this post will mysteriously disappear.
100% agree. John’s going off the deep end real quick.
The officer that used lethal did not give any chance whatsover for the use of less lethal. For me on this one it falls right near the line of justified, but comes just short. I wouldn't say a criminal conviction is in order, but at least a reprimand and some training in self control.
Kid basically going to kill himself/suicide by cops, gets tased, he lives and gets help, no officers or bystanders were killed or even injured= Bad Outcome? ASP getting upset in comments while everyone is commending the officers and wondering what John and Mike are talking about= Priceless.
I’m not Christian but I feel that protecting is a spiritual calling and really appreciate you guys talking about empathy and mental health. Thank you.
Once again John. Your advice saved my life. 2 days ago I was subject to a random and brutal attack at a gas station. At 6 in the afternoon.
I don't recall exactly but words were exchanged. Next thing I know is there is a guy on top of me raining down devastating blows on my head. I'm not sure, but I think I heard Johns voice saying gouge his eyes out. I got my thumb halfway into his eye socket and was pulling hard. He didn't react, but I was able to get away and summon help from a store clerk. Then I collapsed on the grass. I'm still alive thanks to ASP and my calm despite a desperate situation. Thanks again John and company for at least giving me the mind to be calm and get out of a situation that could very well have meant death to me.
My eternal gratitude, respect, and admiration. You've truly saved my life twice.
LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. ITS A ROUGH WORLD TODAY. THEY KNOW WHAT THE F**K THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Feels good to be alive, eh? Did you give thanks to God?
I spent the first 57 years of my life in Bakersfield. This was actually pretty good for the BPD, in my experience they are for the most part badge heavy thugs who have open contempt for the citizens they are supposed to serve.
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It's Mike's son in this video and he just admitted online, on RUclips he hates him😞
It's terrible to see how much goes wrong in police work, but you also have to say that 95% of police work is carried out professionally! The problem is that people quickly forget good things and remember bad things forever. You are rarely rewarded for good work but ALWAYS punished for mistakes. life is not easy !
She did a great job... but to the guys with less lethel- I was almost yelling at the screen LAUNCHER, LAUNCHER, LAUNCHER, TAZER, TAZER, TAZER, GO, DO IT!
Its crazy how you see someone cryin n dont ask whats wrong
You could tell this guy did not want to hurt anybody but himself. I wish there was a way to disable somebody from greater distance. She was an awesome officer. She could tell where his mind was and knew how to handle him. I agree there has to be a lethal weapon in wait. Some people want to take people with them, but this guy didn't sound like it, but I do not want to put officers life in jeopardy.
Are you kidding me ASP? These officers showed incredible restraint. This female officer did a great job on handling this call. I'm tired of people like you Monday night quarterbacking these types of situations. You think you can do a better job? Then put your life on the line and become an officer and a force instructor.
Why did that one cop have to have his pistol fire on a kid when he got riddled full of taser darts? Some people just show up hoping to kill somebody
Thank god he didn't die.
“She hasn’t been trained in the deescalation strategies that would’ve proven effective here.” Spoken definitively by someone who’s clearly never been a cop and never been in this situation. I’m CIT certified and I think she did a great job. Could she have done more? Maybe. Would it have worked? There’s no way of knowing. It’s my professional opinion this kid had his mind made up already. Just because it’s taught in a class doesn’t mean it always works. Before someone comments, yes I have been in this situation with a man who pulled a knife on me from about 15 feet away. It was clear he wanted suicide by cop, and after about 30 minutes of connecting with him I got him to drop it without further incident. I’ve also seen a man hold a 9mm to his chest for 3 hours while an expert negotiator/CIT officer spoke with him at great length. In the end he pulled the trigger and was dead in 30 seconds. There’s no such thing as “the way”, only “a way” and sometimes it just doesn’t work.
American police need to learn how to disengage a knife from a suspect. Japanese cops sure know how.
Why isn’t there like a a net device that can be deployed in situations like this?
Female officer did great. The outcome is a good outcome. End of story.
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Clearly asking someone to drop their weapon and claiming that you were there to help them is of no help whatsoever! At least when it comes to a person in temporary mental distress or one who is clinically mentally ill!
Why aren't cops using OC anymore in any of these videos?
All the training in the WORLD doesn't always mean it would have worked...... you can't de-escalate every situation
OMG she said "less lethal first" in front of him ----
I knew something was wrong when the female cop had to go around and remind everyone to use less-lethal. I'm not even a cop and I know not to do that when dealing with a suicidal subject. I don't think there's a single PD in the entire US that trains officers to immediately go for lethal force in these situations. Then, to add some super sour-tasting icing on the cake, one officer STILL forgot not to use lethal force. The lady officer did good, unfortunately the other officers were trash.
She tried to nag him to death. That always works well on angry adolescent men! 🤣
Overall she did a good job 🤷🏻♂️
they got him the help he needs...the same as they got the thousands of mentally ill homless living on the streets the help they need
Of all the poor decision made by cops... this definitely was not a bad outcome. No lives lost, someone who needs help will get it and everyone gets to see tomorrow. Not sure what else was going to happen.
THUMBS DOWN: John your intro mic isn’t working. The rest is good.
What a waste of resources. Give him what he wants, and move on.
Why did a cop shoot? She told everyone to put them away and only use less lethal
Why doesn't every department have the bean bag?
I think she did a great job all around, and at the same time I think they would have unalived him if he was black
You’re out of your mind bud, don’t know what else the cops could have done
The Officers did a good job, however yes trying to build a better rapport with the subject may have helped. Let's try a little harder to humanize the badge, make a new friend, you never truly know what that man has been through today unless you were there.
How much clearer could she have said "LESS LETHAL"! Dude that shot is stupid
If they don't have a gun, but only a knife. could you be justified in shooting their leg? I know any gunshot could potentially kill you, but if they want death my cop it goes to reason that they wouldn't be willing to do it themselves? And a leg wound stops them from being able to approach. Not that a leg shot is easy to pull off if someone is charging you with a knife...just a thought i had though.
Yeah the female cop need to work on her de escalation skills. Not saying that the kid could’ve been de escalated if she connected with him but it could’ve looked better for her sake because people are going to see her body camera and start going after her department.
I think she did far better than the average police response, especially compared to every other woman cop on this channel.
So true
women. lmao
Yeah, absolutely. She seemed pretty confident and had a solid presence of command.
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You gotta remember he always picks videos where people screw up, whether male or female. There’s alot of males that screw up too, panic, scream, etc so don’t just pick on female officers.
Say what you want, she did better than most I have seen. She did a great job getting less than lethal in play. There is a high likelihood that the rest of the officers might have had a very binary approach that would have ended with either pure compliance or death.
The only thing I thought was a bit weird was that I could see his escalation into starting running against them coming from a mile away. As soon as he started to breathe very heavily and working himself up I would've deployed the tazers. Other than that it was a job well done.
Lucky for the kid this woman was on scene. 9/10 times these situations end up with the guy having 15 bullet holes in him within minutes of the cops rolling onto the scene and ten cops just yelling "drop the fucking knife" all at once.
Very true
She done a great job man, give her the credit. She literally walked around to ensure other cops switched to less lethal too. RESPECT and appreciation!
She got mine...and yours
Mine too, we need cops like that.
These guy’s sound like they want to send social workers instead of police! 🤯
Indeed
This is how police are in other countries. It's only in the US that the cops shoot first and think later.
Dude…you lost me on this one. The guy didn’t get filled with holes, she calmly commanded her fellow Officers under extreme stress and the situation got handled without any deaths. To nitpick about some of her dialogue seems a bit extreme. She may not have taken the same class as you, but she handled her business in a real life situation, so she has my upmost respect.
Exactly. I don't understand his takes sometimes. I wouldn't call this a bad outcome at all. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it I'd say it was at least a good outcome, overall.
Because she really did nothing to help. No one knows what would’ve happened if she used different de-escalation tools but I’m guessing that kid may not have been shot. Maybe he would’ve broken down and maybe he would’ve sat down and talked with the lady.
She did a terrible job. Heart was in the right place but the guy was clearly suicidal and suffering, and all she could say is everything is going to be alright and that he has to drop the weapon. If I was in his shoes I wouldn't take those words seriously at all.
What was the point in having all that less than lethal if your not gonna use it pepper spray could've been in play here as mentioned in the breakdown. The 40 mm launcher you have ine use it the Goal is to get him separated from that knife and ibeleive they could've used pain compliance to achieve that goal stop telling him were not gonna shoot you and yet you shoot him anyway. She tried to do a good job but just asking hey do you have less lethal didnt resolve this situation.she did all that blocking off the road and walking round asking this and that and the dude still got shot. I dint understand why as tax payers we have to pay for all this equipment that they aren't gonna use.
That female officer saved that kids life, she kept telling her fellow officers to use non lethal over and over again. And one officer still used lethal force on the kid 🤦♂️ if that female officer would not had been there, that kid would had been lit up with holes all over his body.
Facts.
I will say, at the very least, common SOP's dictate having one officer with lethal first and foremost as a baseline so that whoever comes about from there can employ less-than-lethal measures while still being covered. It may not have been what she'd asked for but, at that point, it wasn't incorrect for that officer to employ that lethal measure.
The situation was just mishandled to let it get that far in the first place.
Agreed! 100% he would have been filled in if she wasn’t there….
@@ea5yliver I like that way of things playing out. Always have one person with lethal, otherwise the cops are sitting ducks, but relay to the suspect that the cops aren’t there to do harm. It’s the same presence as any concealed owner - appear harmless but always ready to do what must be done.
Who knows maybe one entrance and exit hole was required to help snap him back to reality. We can hope he is getting help and the newly graduated psychologists, who have less training than these officers, don’t leave him worse off.
@ActiveSelfProtection I was in a bad spot as a teen almost the same same situation I had a knife and many cops with guns drawn. One cop wanted to talk and I said can we walk while we talk, and he did it …. we walked about two blocks ( so did the other cops with guns still pointing ) anyway he literally changed my life… I went into the Marine’s, DOC, blah blah blah and have had a pretty good life.
The mental thing is real, but not everyone is “crazy” I was young and just needed a little guidance. I wish I knew who that cop was, but I never seen him again.
Wonder if he knew how much of a difference he made. Good guy
That's really cool. I'm glad someone cared enough to talk to you instead of puttin holes in you.
You wouldnt be white by chance? Nah jkjk . Mostly.😊
Dude, what an incredible story. I am in tears. Thank you for sharing it, it made my day to hear that the officer was there for you!!
This officer in charge did great for a police officer! She is a cop not a mental health practitioner!
Thank you. A police officer job was not created to treat mental illness. That is what psychiatrists are for. Completely different fields. Officers are trained to take people into custody using tools that universal to the field of work they do.
This would be the equivalent of giving a taser to a mental illness health practitioner and expecting them to know exactly how to use it and when to. it just does not work that way.
They should be. If they have the means to shoot people, they should be able to provide mental health.
But shouldn’t they have that skill knowing that they deal with a lot of people with different personalities on a daily basis isn’t it their jobs to protect and serve even if it’s from yourself
They need to be human beings before all else. A mentally unwell person is also a human being. That's the meeting point. Expecting someone to rESpeCT yOuR aUtHoRItY when they're that distressed shows you're too caught up in your role to try to connect with another person. You don't need to be trained in mental health to at least do a better job than constantly saying "Drop the knife!" over and over again.
@@luckythagreat yes they should. You wanna be a damn cop then be a cop all the way. No I’m between. Soldiers go to places to kill and ask no questions. Officers must do better.
The officer was very professional in trying to prevent lethal shots from happening. Great work by them.
lady cop was the only good cop on scene.
I think the kid is alive because of her. All the other cops would’ve gone gun happy if she wasn’t in their ear saying none lethal.
This was hard to watch😢, but in the sense that ive been there, suicidal, depressed, feeling like there's nothing more you can do to make life better. And even though im doing much better , i just wish we could help these kids going through these storms. He was ready to die.... im glad they handled it ok at least, but i teared up watching this..
It was heart-wrenching to watch someone in that much pain. Glad you're doing better today, 135jec.
that’s a tough situation, I think she tried very hard and did well. Hope he recovers and gets help.
it's her officers who are useless
she did amazing it's her officers who are messes.
This was an excellent officer. She really tried to help this guy out and if it hadn’t been for her, he probably would be dead..
yeah she was the only good cop on scene the other officers are trained to be scarred of the public.
She did fairly well tbh
She didn't do a terrible job
ASP once again steps all over common sense and projects their own flaws.
What specifically don't you agree with here?
@@ActiveSelfProtection YOU KNOW these officers do not get all of the training she or they needed. You know that for a fact. Defund not ULTRA fund is the current trend. And you jacklegs act like every officer has thousands of personal dollars to get all the grappling and de-escalation training that you non officers have. THis Officer did everything she could to de-escalate the situation with everything she had. She spoke with every officer on scene and had TOTAL control of the scene. Even going so far as to restrict officers to less lethal. You both speak as IF your conversations with the kid would have 100% saved his life. You do not know that. You can't see the future and you should not assume that you could have saved this kid. Tunrs out that this group of officers had enough training to save his life and theirs. This group of officers did everything they could with everything they had to de-escalate and save this kids life. And you know what happened? They did. How dare you crap on that. One officer shot once. Show me the last time that happened??
Go google CIT International. This is training that many Law Enforcement folks can get paid for by their department and if not it’s not thousands of dollars. I took this training with a group of officers and it was really helpful. There is no reason for you to be as worked up and insulting as you are but it’s nice that you come her spouting insults rather than ideas or solutions.
@@chocolatecoveredgummybears Yeah, he's nuked them before. Overall I've learned a great deal from ASP. But when they act all high and mighty and exhibit an atitude where "THIS JUST PISSES THEM OFF" at the beginning of a video, I'm going to say something. I stand by my comments. These officers acted within policy and with great compassion. These officers also saved the kids life. John and the other guy seem to have a big issue with anybody who dare challenge "their thought process"
It seems that John forgets that the football game is always easier on Monday morning, the day after it's played.
Hey Ben, you know the best players and coaches in any game watch film to get better right?
I really feel like they need to look into this kids home life. That kind of mental state doesn't just happen.
Be quiet 🙄
@@tera_2024 imagine not caring about a childs mental state pretty fucked up
@@Kushey4025 hey, he can't help it, he's just a republican.
@@skankhunt3624 tf does that have to do w anything you weird af
Maybe? For a cause of these thoughts of ending it, yes
What you do is . . . Overwhelm him with a couple tazers and bean bag shots and move in on him
Mr. Correia, when someone says they want to die, I think it's fair to trust them. The goal is to change their mind. I've struggled with depression for most of my life, and if/when I say I want to die I absolutely mean it. I'm not sure what the best response would have been here, but I know danged well he meant it.
Muk, I'm Matt. May I ask your opinion from that(those) experience(s) about how I reacted and tried to help someone? This is just a few lines from my perspective but any feedback is appreciated.
I'd like to help, I heard that you said you wanted to die. Is that right? That sounds like a horrible feeling. I don't know what that's like but I want to hear you, could you tell me about it to help me understand?
Break it down for me; did something happen today to make you feel this way? What was that?
Or, have these feelings been building? What happened today that was the straw on the camel's back? We all have those times when it's just one thing too many. Please, tell me about this one.
That sounds awful and I'd probably feel like that too. I know that neither of us lives in such a fantasy world but if things were all unicorns and rainbows, where would you go and what would happen?
I'm hearing that 'X' is that right? I know someone who can help, should I see if they can come over?
Until then, would you like a bottle of water? Would you set the knife there and come over here so that we shall sit together and talk. Is that okay?
As a lifelong sufferer of major depression (to the point of long term involuntary commitment at one time), I disagree. I think, more often than not, people who say they want to die don't actually want to. They are just desperate for someone to save them from themselves. In my experience, the folks that actually want to die dont say a word. They let their actions do the talking.
Not saying I am an expert. Or that I know more than you. Or that you are wrong. I just disagree going off what I have seen, witnessed, and experienced. What you have seen, witnessed or experienced may be completely different.
Either way, glad you're still here. Glad i'm still here too. 🤜🤛
@@matthewellisor5835 Bro, that's pretty good stuff. You do not deny the suspect nor do you try hard to compare his feelings with the ones you've earned in your life. Because something a suicidal person wants NOT to hear is like: "Yeah bro, same here! Let's get BFF!" Even if you had such feelings and thoughts in the past yourself, it's not the moment to talk about you, it's about the human in front of you. Even if you tell the person you had the same struggle in life, normally the patient won't believe you. So it's a cul-de-sac.
Also he doesn't want to hear like: "Nah brah! It's fine, you really don't want to kill yourself you know?".
But what I see, there are a lot of starter questions in your text. Think about what you'll say if the person is really answering to your questions too.
For example, You: "What happened today that was the straw on the camel's back?"
Patient: "My GF dumped me, I'm alone with old Grandpa who needs care but I'm unemployed at the time and don't know to handle this! So I'm ending this now!"
What will be your response? It's hard to answer to such statements. On what do you focus? The GF? The Grandpa? The unemployment? The suicide attempt? You have to react in a split second to answer or you'll be not trustworthy anymore and loose a lot of points.
These cops did a great job.
I agree, they all went home to their families, the kid survived and is hopefully getting the help he needs. The only problem i see is that they waited waaaaaaay too long to tase or bean bag him. They were letting him control the situation.
Armchair QB on this one, she did fine.
Thank you for mentioning pepper spray, I can't believe we have quit using it in modern times, especially since tasers have such issues being effective.
You can easily get stabbed to death in the time it would take effect. You have to be much too close to use pepper spray.
People hate spray because it's so hard to decontaminate after it's deployed and everyone gets exposed to it. I personally like it because it DOES have an effect and some people insist it might work more often than a tazer but depends on who you talk to.
John, I defer in this cas3. The lead officer Commanded the scene and stressed less lethal first. She lead her team and worrked to de-escalate the scene. Got the perp to stop multiple times... Sometimes the suicide by cop perp is resistant to any formal contact.
Overall I think that went well. Everyone lives another day to make better decisions .
In this situation, the higher ranking female officer should have been managing the officers alone. Have others on the squad who are trained to deescalate handle the kid. Doing both jobs well is a tough ask. She could have been setting up the less lethal options while someone concentrated solely on talking this kid off the ledge. In 28 years I only had one suicide by cop be successful and there was no talking him down, no matter what we said.
I was thinking the same thing. She wanted to manage the entire scene and didn't allow anyone else to contribute until it was too late.
How is it she was in cahrge? I know, she fuflilled a affirmative action check off
That would be optimal, but that assumes someone else has the de-escalation skills.
Sad. This man needs a hug from his dad. I couldn't imagine having a shit head father! Makes me appreciate the father I did have! Rip pop
Yes, the female officer definitely tried!