I thought the guy know as 'Destiny' appearing on the Piers Morgan podcast was a state of war conversation or high stakes conflict. Destiny sounds totally deranged.
Kind, honest, truthful and authentic. I am happy that you did not take the money to keep quiet because we need people like you to combat the extreme left that is acting very irrational in our current times. I am moderately left myself and I wish the left in general was not so extreme as it is today. There are a lot of Jordan Peterson haters out there these days and I am happy that you recognize his qualities for what they are. Thanks for staying true to yourself and having to courage to stand for your convictions.
what are you, 12 years old just discovering all the insanity that's been going on? ... Listing to your mind get blown over sh*t that was not that long ago is ridiculous. ALL this was public... its like watching a child learn history IRL... Your reactions are the best part. Because WE ALL KNEW THIS ALREADY
I'm 43 years old, I'm a woman born and raised in a mostly traditional country (Argentina), I was never told to get married, or to have children, or that I couldn't be or study anything that I wanted to be or study. I'm so sick and tired of all these first world women acting like they are living in Iran. It gives me second-hand embarrassment. They live in a fantasy world and blame others for their own mistakes, insecurities, and lack of accomplishments. Peterson talking back at them with his amazing intelligence and knowledge is a gift to the modern world we live in.
..maybe obvious suppress & indirect one aren t that different. Where to start.. These women have identity issues (so they may have gender dysphoria or not but they perceive reality subjectively & they made gender a huge issue bcs they can /are allowed to speak in social & ppl engage in conversations w them - knowing their issues they don t do anything for. I m in Greece/Europe an also traditional country & i was told to marry but it didn t matter. Bcs i don t have a PD (personality disorder so self issue & i was able of pursuing my things). These women are either PD or ND so identity issues. However it is true that gender plays a role e.g find a job as selling clothes & they impose your underwear & make up so femininity is still used. But that s 1 of 20 issues that all have in common unhuman way of being. I may not be kil*ed but i m de*d as a human being. I can t exist according to my nature. Bad economics past 2 decades changed ppl s behavior completely e.g someone is hit by a car & he ll remain there for 30' until someone (disordered w empathy/conscience) stops to check.. The normal is psycop*thic way of being. Which isn t sustainable so it ll lead in another situation. Intellectuals talk about these decades now. But if ppl don t see some issue around them & they re satisfied bcs they don t live in Iran s circumstances ok. Iran culture shouldn t exist anyways. & be as a robot may be worse /regression for sure as i see it. If you ve heard of "isolation crisis" in west/Japan.. Humans are social beings or be as a social creature is human s most fullfiling way of being (to me & psychologists) & having developed all his capacities. So "isolation" would normally be subject no1. Or self centered scientists who publicly tell us about AI. & that it s possible that it ll get out of human control. Who did they ask? Bcs i respect knowledge but iq by itself is nothing or harmful.
"Peterson talking back at them..." initially I took exception with that characterization, but given further consideration it is accurate. Not because of any failing of Peterson's, but rather the inability of these interviewers/debaters to examine their biases and see them for what they are...self-defense walls. These people are so ideologically captured they rarely see others they disagree with as anything but polar opposites...no matter what's being said.
Leftist strategy: Step one - it's not happening Step two - It rarely happens Step three - it's happening & that's a good thing! Step four - why are you so focused on this?
And don't forget DARVO. Deny, Attack & then Reverse Victim and Offender. It's what psycho narcissists do all the time, and of course the Left who has institutionalized cluster B personality orders as a way of life.
Voltaire: "I may condemn what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Her: "I may condemn what you say, and I will restrict and punish you if you dare to say it." These people are unbelievable.
This analysis missed the bit where she was complaining about people having privilege, admitting she was included, and then being asked why she didn’t give up her position to someone less fortunate if that’s what she thought… ‘Because I don’t want to’ Dunning Kruger in live action
Kathy Newman is far more intelligent than this woman and Jordan put her in her place. I dont know who this female interviewer is but I would not be at all interested in what subject matter she wished to discuss. No credibility left.
When Dr. Peterson was so sick and damn near died, Helen Lewis wrote an absolutely vile hit piece about him. It was beneath contempt. Now he has got better and he’s showing her, God love him.
was that the article where they were telling him to clean up his house because he got addicted to drugs from long term use that a qualified doctor prescribed him?
@@heykay5610 yeah the people who hate on Peterson really are sick in the head... he doesn't deserve how he has been treated. all he's ever tried to do is give life bettering advice.
I remember when followers of Andrew Tate went and called Peterson weak and a drug addict because he made the statement Tate is not a man. Peterson was, literally, near death. His wife has cancer, he gets near death and everyone thought he would die. Rogan tried to contact every doctor in USA
She was a bizarre combination of smug, a bit thick, low information / high arrogance, and passive aggressive. And ultra low awareness. What a wasted conversation :-/ Great analysis.
Not wasted at all, Dr. Peterson exposed her (and the many like her) for who they are and what their ideology stands for. I like to think JP is the pebble that loosed the stones which rolled unto the boulder and unleashed the avalanche. Hopefully all will now push back on these odious people and sweep them away into regressing tides of history.
You know, the part that stood out the most to me is her opinion on the Count Dankula pug joke. She doesn't believe it was a joke, and that the guy had malicious intent to teach the nazi salute to the dog. She justifies this by claiming that he's not a comedian therefore she's gatekeeping being a comedian in the first place. Is this only something that would be acceptable if the guy made a living off of jokes? Or at the very least are world famous for the joke maybe? (Which now he is so he's arguably more of a comedian than 99% of the worlds population, all from making one joke.) How do they get to be a comedian in the first place if they aren't able to make jokes? It's a self defeating argument that she would just have to take a few steps further to see. It's why jokes and comedy can't be policed, why free speech is so important as a human right.
Friendly reminder that a man living in N@zi Germany taught his dog to do the salute to mock the party. He was arrested for it and then promptly released because everyone in power knew it would be ridiculous to prosecute a man for a joke.
I’m still shocked that Warren was dismissed from a school for teaching a student how to think. The fact that it went viral just holds a mirror up to those who set the curriculum.
Not shocking to anyone who's paying attention tbh. This has been going on for a decade plus and it's just now having people wake up. I knew I was homeschooling my oldest before they were even born in 2015 because this is just the tip of the iceberg
I told someone that teachers like that are usually fired this day and age because schools don't want teachers to teach children how to think critically. He disagreed with me, said that it was not like that in the majority of schools and got mad. Then the news broke a few days later that Warren got fired.
You can do longer form content and people would still consume it. I know that's not all you had to say about this interview. JP laid the absolute hammer down. By the end of the interview, the interviewer was practically a JP fan. Those of us who are here for your content have longer attention spans than 8-10 minutes.
I worked in government in the 70s and by the time I left nearly all the departments were run by woman and they were the most ruthless backstabbers you could meet and I'm a woman. I was bullied and harassed relentlessly because I was much older than them all and they wanted me out as I didn't fit the 'team' dynamic Ended up retiring early because of it.
Women’s aggression manifests in words, cliques, alliances, bullying, harassment, insults, backstabbing, etc. It can be extremely emotionally vicious and for long periods of time. Men’s aggression manifests in fists and there’s usually an understanding of hierarchy shortly after. Physical violence isn’t well tolerated in the office, while all the other stuff is (typical female aggressive behavior). It's a challenging problem. A workplace authority can say or have a policy that says, "Be polite, don't insult, etc.", but the aggression would just become more covert, passive aggressive, secretive, outside workplace, etc. It really won't _stop_ or lessen. These are _women_ and although you can teach an old dog new tricks, the best way to solve the problem is through _prevention_ : raising better daughters. And, yes, I’ve worked at places where it’s mostly women, so I am very familiar. Jordan, to his credit, is the one who summarized it, abstractly.
@@RodCornholio Yes. I managed women and if they think you are weak as a man then they attack you like a woman and when you act like a man and confront them head on they freak out and cry victim.
Jordan Peterson fan channel. Blasts from the past when he still tried to be a psychologist and he made references to Disney instead of the Bible. Shouldn't a channel representing critical thinking have some sort of knowledge and precedent regarding the things they present? Like the count Dancula skit. If you visit the Swedish comedy show, Ursäkta röran-wiki page, you'll see similar jokes being fined for airing on TV. This is really bad, Warren. And from Jordan Peterson as well. This comment will be removed like most comments not pandering to the channel. For just pointing out relevant facts. Sit with thought for a while.
She 'knows' that she is right and unless you agree with her you are the enemy..... and she had the nerve to call Jordon smug.... She needs to look in the mirror.
At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the Tunneling Electron Microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in this woman's opinion.
I watched Peterson for years and noticed he does get fed up with these types of people. It really adds up over the years. His interview with Destiny is an example of him getting fed up and knowing the game he is playing. I have watched his talk at cambridge, and that was in my opinion, a good talk( I dont know if you can call it a debate). Civil and getting in-depth with their thoughts.
@@andrewfleming8103 I suspect he would say "That depends on what you mean by "religion"." ;) I feel that Jordan speaks for my own feelings on the matter quite well. I cannot and don't want to make myself "just go back to church" and join the rituals of belief (not trying to be depreciating here) unironically. But I do now understand the need for personal humility in the face of "deus, sive natura" and also ritual as a community building and anxiety reducing social-psychological technique. And, yeah, keep fighting the BS, man!
Honestly it's amazing how many of these 'interviewers' and 'journalists' we have these days. Even to a president they have the audacity to be rude. Like that one journalist who interviewed a president in South-America and told him basically that he has no right to use the oil his country's sitting on. Or even the debate between the 2 'candidates' we had recently where the supposed 'fact checkers' basically told someone who used to be the president to shut it. If we were living in a sane world, people like this would've been fired on the spot at the very least.
To defeat any tyranny, one first has to disrespect it and make a joke out of it. Many comedians, like Spike Milligan, who, being a desert rat, was personally involved in Hitlers demise , made fun of the NAZI's by using visual references to NAZI mannerisms and symbols. The comedy "Allo allo", repeatedly had NAZI salutes and Davis Mitchel did a sketch where he was dressed as a NAZI... Making a dog do a NAZI salute when instructed by the line "kill the jews", s a prefect example of how to destroy the ideology of the NAZI's through the medium of comedy. The dog reprisents the blind obedience of the German people to a wicked ideology . I actually liked the joke but cannot see how the guy ended up in jail for any other reason than the fact that the judge, or judicial system, are themselves NAZI's and thought the joke was too disrespectful of their 'fuhrer'.
@ikenosis8160 I'd say the "appropriate" aspect is questionable, but that's the case with MOST good comedy. I personally thought it was VERY funny, but humor is subjective.
One of the flaws in their reasoning: What if the person self-identifies as a comedian? Doesn't that automatically make them a comedian? If not, there are a bunch of holes in your whole ideology.
@@mon_avis2978 it's meant intentionally to sound "folksy" like the idea of "Horse 🐴 Sense" which you obviously lack and make up for by being patronizing and condescending. 😆
Jorden is the embodiment of an excellent man. My husband asked me why I like him so much. Jorden says and teach what I wish my father would have taught me when I was growing up.
Count's pug thing was 100% a joke. You can think it's not funny, that does not make it a non joke. It was clearly a joke, a low brow shock humor joke, but a joke nonetheless. If you think it was not a joke, you are implicitly asserting that Count is a actually Nazi, which is ludicrous imho.
Are you saying a dog cannot choose his or her or its or their or zare own political party??? Even if it is a reprehensible party it's still his or her or its or their or zari right to choose!😂😢😮😅😊
She only has to consider the context of Count Dankula the human being. Has a girlfriend, lives in a flat, looks after dogs, posts videos on RUclips, just getting by day to day. If she thinks people like that are Nazis then she's not met enough people or she's projecting
Of course, and a bad joke at that, not even a little bit funny. Disgusting even, scum of the earth, straight out of the gutter... Am I playing this right? We're not allowed to say it was funny, right?
It’s also insidiously ingrained into everything that is western culture including even what is sometimes labelled as conservatism. It’s near impossible to talk about sociology of the modern error without coming from a Marxist paradigm of language
7:37 It doesn't fall within HER conceptualization of comedy, not that it doesn't fit within the conceptualization of comedy. It is obvious she is speaking her opinions as though they were empirical facts.
I remember watching this years ago and my mind being blown at this bit - ‘we don’t arrest people for jokes, but if I don’t like it it doesn’t count a joke’ the lack of self awareness is staggering. I’d understand if she was a confused school kid but from a ‘respected’ journalist? She shouldn’t work again outside of a burger van
3:48 i remember once my mother told me that i can be very intimidating. I asked her how so. She said "you speak with such confidance and surety. You seem so competent." I never thought about how others would wither in the presence of someone who didnt seem lost. It has really stuck with me.
I've been following you since the first video that really went viral. It's so awesome to see you really coming into your own and feeling natural or confident in your own skin. This is a compliment, and tho I dont know you apart from these videos, I can say it really has been a pleasure consuming this content while seeing your journey along this path. It's a travesty that you were removed from your position, but you are reaching more people I think than you would have before. Everything for a reason and a season. I'm glad you are making this content.
When you boil down her take on life and politics - quasi Fascist. Or if that is too incendiary a term, she's very much a pro-authoritarian political activist, as long as the authoritarianism upholds what is currently fashionable on the Far Left.
I would love to see more content like this... analyzing conversations. And at least a bit longer - it's like the video is over, just as it gets interesting. Maybe with an intro and outro to sort of guide the viewer.
Trying to have a discussion with people like this, the social constructionists, neomarxists, is so infuriating because they have an answer for everything. So seeing how well JP deals with that style is like being underwater for almost too long and finally bursting to the surface - you can breathe again!
@@EaglePicking The infuriating thing with having a discussion with them is that they can't see how those answers falls apart because they "hold up" within the ideology. Things like logic, evidence, rational argument all are meaningless compared to the beauty of their deeply held beliefs.
It really is like talking to children who have just done something an adult would recognize as poor behavior and the child is oblivious and argumentative because they believe they can do no wrong. Meanwhile, the adult is thinking “…Are you serious right now? What world are you living in where you’re “right” about this?” Its like talking to brick walls.
Also I dont know if anyone else noticed, but they lowered his mic volume and slightly muted him at certain points in the interview. It's rather annoying
The worst thing about her is that she truly believes that she is good, that she is on the side of right (the right side of history, as they like to say). She does not have the self awareness to consider, even for a second, that perhaps she's the bad guy. She is exactly who C.S. Lewis was warning of when he spoke of tyranny in God in the Dock. Were she to be put in charge of anything, she would pester everyone to death, for their own good.
Ive heard a wise man recently say : Being a good woman and a good mother is ALOT OF WORK, its hard and takes energy, alot of it. If being a good wife, woman and a mother would be essentially an "end goal" for most women, why oh why did you get in all of the "i want to do what they do and live how you live" narrative. Now you have to be all these other things as well, who could acomplish so much as an individual? I do not know a single man that could do all that. No wonder most of them are frustrated AF.
I have always wondered about the context of Peterson's take for women to bear children much as I am the motherly type. I found his take too unqualified because I've known unmarried men and women who did a lot with their lives dedicated to founding and running great schools which solidly provided the very structures for the competencies he talks about. Now after seeing his encounter with this particular interviewer so full of herself, I think she was perhaps his context for what parenting can do to open up a narrow mind circling around itself.
I remember watching this interview when it came out. Looking back, Dr. Peterson appeared at a crucial time for humanity. He brought understanding and reason to my "lying eyes." I was having a hard time adjusting to, and making sense of, the first wave of what we now know as masterfully radicalized antihuman soldiers pouring out of universities all at once; seemingly gaining social, political, and legitimate power eerily fast. Dr. Peterson opened a lot of eyes long before this interview (his viral YT video of the pronoun debate on campus with a hostile crowd was a first of its kind), but this one showed many prominent voices that it *was* possible to effectively respond to pure irrationality. Met him on one of his 12 Rules for Life book tours. He's taller than I expected. Cool dude.
I am surprised there are not more likes on this video. Is it that people do not like it, or that RUclips is censoring likes? Even the comments seem low. 141,000 subscribers - seems low, even for a video only posted 20 minutes ago.
I think the ratio for likes is often pretty low across all YT vids, people just don't do it as a matter of course, it isn't representative of whether people liked the vid as opposed to don't. I'm sure I heard another channel saying 10% was pretty good!
@@offshoretomorrow3346 It was an interview, not a debate. That's the problem. Her turning it into a debate and being the only one able to prepare for it as a debate and still losing is pathetic. She's a dishonest activist pretending to be a journalist and he was not unnecessarily harsh about someone not even attempting to do her job appropriately.
I enjoy the way you lay down logic in laymans terms. Thank you. My mind isnt on the same level as Jordan Peterson but i love to hear him speak and i love how you have been breaking down these interviews of his.
Glad you found this interview and have taken the time to comment on it, even though it happened awhile ago. The Anne McElvoy interview took place around the same time and was fraught with passive aggression on both sides. Hard to say which British woman was worse.
When she asks - Do you think you'd be less angry...? What a filthy tactic. This woman's a man hating bully. That stupid Pug joke - This is the first time I've heard about it. C'mon. When Jordan explained it - i involuntarily laughed. It's nuts but it's not criminal.
That was literally that girls 1st day at school with a teacher who is far smarter and wiser than her and willing to call out her bullshit. Scary thing is that she got to be a BBC journalist before that happened
Whay was frustrating about that "interview" like many others, is how it was obviously a bait and switch debate, just for the opportunity and optics to say "i challenged the altrights messiah, and won." Furthermore the content was just absolutely attrocious. As thousands have pointed out, her position was neither logical nor consistent, but thats because they dont beleove it beeds to be, it only has arrive in some way to a presupposed outcome.
This is what they live for - banter wars -rhetorical gladiators. We have to leave the arena- because the ones who really want this game over, those of us awake have to turn off these “shows” me (& you) included.
Would you be willing to give this whole interview a breakdown? You are brilliant at breaking down debates, argumentation, and logic and I think all of us who watched this video would like to see a full breakdown.
It is fascinating how "we" talked about being arrested for speech back when this interview happened, and people talked about how stupid the idea is of being arrested for speech, and now we have the UK of 2024.
The part about the joke shows just how shallow her thinking is. She comes off to me as one who has never had an internal monologue. The total lack of self-analysis is genuinely baffling to me. "Being imprisoned for a joke is bad! But it's not happening!" "Yes it is bad. Like that one guy who got arrested for a joke" "Well that wasn't a joke" These types believe they live in a story. A story where they are the protagonist and none of the rest of us are real people. A personally tailored story where they can just decide things about the world around us like what is and isn't a joke worth being arrested over.
No hierarchy in the wild ? What about some primates, horses, wolves, elephants, lions, bees just to name a few ? I'm no biologist and I'm sure they could come up with tons more.
The edit is unclear, but isn't she saying that she never sees 'people-arguing-against-hierarchies' in the wild. Ie, she says JP is arguing with non-existent people [not that there are no heirarchies in the wild].
Great video. This woman is part of a successful coordination to devalue JP as a human being and many people I know have thought of him in a very similar way to the narrative that JP is a fascist (evil person) and insane. Over the years though, these initial opinions changed slightly to a more positive view (not entirely) after they exposed themselves to more than *just* what other people were saying about him, like JP's lectures on his channel. The problem is that their first impression was so horrible that they can't fully change their mind about him even though the premise of that initial perception was false.
I do so admire his ability to stay calm when confronted with people like her, I just find myself not bothering with there intransigence and sheer blindness, its just not worth the energy.
This conversation is an absolute masterclass. How could anyone go about with the direct intention to completely attempt to destroy him, but come out with so little. I believe there are tidbits in this piece where it may not show easily, but he does actually break her. Its as if for split seconds he becomes the father she needed. I'm not sure if I ever watched the whole thing end to end, but it is remarkable.
Rewatching that one really shows how good jbp is with his words. I am usually pretty sharp with my words in debate too, but generally in writing... Doing that in a hostile scenario in real time and doing it in a way that counters her, keeps his cool, addresses her points ad rem, *and* delivers counter blows without leaving holes in his defenses... Exceptional skill.
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I thought the guy know as 'Destiny' appearing on the Piers Morgan podcast was a state of war conversation or high stakes conflict. Destiny sounds totally deranged.
@@SecretScholars Warren, you are a diamond in the rough. Thanks for helping me shape my own opinions
Kind, honest, truthful and authentic. I am happy that you did not take the money to keep quiet because we need people like you to combat the extreme left that is acting very irrational in our current times. I am moderately left myself and I wish the left in general was not so extreme as it is today. There are a lot of Jordan Peterson haters out there these days and I am happy that you recognize his qualities for what they are. Thanks for staying true to yourself and having to courage to stand for your convictions.
what are you, 12 years old just discovering all the insanity that's been going on? ... Listing to your mind get blown over sh*t that was not that long ago is ridiculous. ALL this was public... its like watching a child learn history IRL... Your reactions are the best part. Because WE ALL KNEW THIS ALREADY
I'm 43 years old, I'm a woman born and raised in a mostly traditional country (Argentina), I was never told to get married, or to have children, or that I couldn't be or study anything that I wanted to be or study.
I'm so sick and tired of all these first world women acting like they are living in Iran. It gives me second-hand embarrassment. They live in a fantasy world and blame others for their own mistakes, insecurities, and lack of accomplishments.
Peterson talking back at them with his amazing intelligence and knowledge is a gift to the modern world we live in.
Well said - bravo 👏
..maybe obvious suppress & indirect one aren t that different. Where to start.. These women have identity issues (so they may have gender dysphoria or not but they perceive reality subjectively & they made gender a huge issue bcs they can /are allowed to speak in social & ppl engage in conversations w them - knowing their issues they don t do anything for. I m in Greece/Europe an also traditional country & i was told to marry but it didn t matter. Bcs i don t have a PD (personality disorder so self issue & i was able of pursuing my things). These women are either PD or ND so identity issues. However it is true that gender plays a role e.g find a job as selling clothes & they impose your underwear & make up so femininity is still used. But that s 1 of 20 issues that all have in common unhuman way of being. I may not be kil*ed but i m de*d as a human being. I can t exist according to my nature. Bad economics past 2 decades changed ppl s behavior completely e.g someone is hit by a car & he ll remain there for 30' until someone (disordered w empathy/conscience) stops to check.. The normal is psycop*thic way of being. Which isn t sustainable so it ll lead in another situation. Intellectuals talk about these decades now. But if ppl don t see some issue around them & they re satisfied bcs they don t live in Iran s circumstances ok. Iran culture shouldn t exist anyways. & be as a robot may be worse /regression for sure as i see it. If you ve heard of "isolation crisis" in west/Japan.. Humans are social beings or be as a social creature is human s most fullfiling way of being (to me & psychologists) & having developed all his capacities. So "isolation" would normally be subject no1. Or self centered scientists who publicly tell us about AI. & that it s possible that it ll get out of human control. Who did they ask? Bcs i respect knowledge but iq by itself is nothing or harmful.
"Peterson talking back at them..." initially I took exception with that characterization, but given further consideration it is accurate. Not because of any failing of Peterson's, but rather the inability of these interviewers/debaters to examine their biases and see them for what they are...self-defense walls. These people are so ideologically captured they rarely see others they disagree with as anything but polar opposites...no matter what's being said.
Well said.
It’s always refreshing to come across a woman who isn’t manipulated by these kinds of things
Leftist strategy:
Step one - it's not happening
Step two - It rarely happens
Step three - it's happening & that's a good thing!
Step four - why are you so focused on this?
Step five: I need to escape the hell I created and start over with the same strategies elsewhere
@@mgancarzjr Correction: that's step six.
Step five: enforce this hell onto everybody else.
And don't forget DARVO. Deny, Attack & then Reverse Victim and Offender. It's what psycho narcissists do all the time, and of course the Left who has institutionalized cluster B personality orders as a way of life.
Voltaire: "I may condemn what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Her: "I may condemn what you say, and I will restrict and punish you if you dare to say it."
These people are unbelievable.
She's out to save me from myself. I can feel the chill wind blowing off the Gulag already.
@@andrewfleming8103THAT is well put!
She’s a smug, confident, fool. Which is of course the absolute worst kind of person to be around let alone be interviewed by. Well done, JP. ❤
If she wasn’t aware that there are a people much smarter than her before the interview. She knows it now
Stupid people are usually confident because they have no clue or any self-awareness.
This analysis missed the bit where she was complaining about people having privilege, admitting she was included, and then being asked why she didn’t give up her position to someone less fortunate if that’s what she thought…
‘Because I don’t want to’
Dunning Kruger in live action
Kathy Newman is far more intelligent than this woman and Jordan put her in her place. I dont know who this female interviewer is but I would not be at all interested in what subject matter she wished to discuss. No credibility left.
When Dr. Peterson was so sick and damn near died, Helen Lewis wrote an absolutely vile hit piece about him. It was beneath contempt. Now he has got better and he’s showing her, God love him.
Amazing how the far leftists who think they are the pinnacle of virtue are some of the most vile people.
was that the article where they were telling him to clean up his house because he got addicted to drugs from long term use that a qualified doctor prescribed him?
@@THE-BGD Probably. i remember that article you mentioned, it was so nasty and didn't relate any of the real things that had happened.
@@heykay5610 yeah the people who hate on Peterson really are sick in the head... he doesn't deserve how he has been treated. all he's ever tried to do is give life bettering advice.
I remember when followers of Andrew Tate went and called Peterson weak and a drug addict because he made the statement Tate is not a man.
Peterson was, literally, near death. His wife has cancer, he gets near death and everyone thought he would die. Rogan tried to contact every doctor in USA
She was a bizarre combination of smug, a bit thick, low information / high arrogance, and passive aggressive. And ultra low awareness. What a wasted conversation :-/ Great analysis.
Yes, she was an activist trying to undercut and mock someone far, far more knowledgeable and subtler than she. No wonder she was so nasty.
So...A leftist.
Not wasted at all, Dr. Peterson exposed her (and the many like her) for who they are and what their ideology stands for. I like to think JP is the pebble that loosed the stones which rolled unto the boulder and unleashed the avalanche. Hopefully all will now push back on these odious people and sweep them away into regressing tides of history.
It’s always the thick ones, for many meanings of the word.
She exemplifies the Cognitive Bias described by the Dunning-Kruger study..
I love how Jordan stops, defines and clarifies her statements as to not get boxed in. I wish I could articulate this well!
You know, the part that stood out the most to me is her opinion on the Count Dankula pug joke. She doesn't believe it was a joke, and that the guy had malicious intent to teach the nazi salute to the dog. She justifies this by claiming that he's not a comedian therefore she's gatekeeping being a comedian in the first place. Is this only something that would be acceptable if the guy made a living off of jokes? Or at the very least are world famous for the joke maybe? (Which now he is so he's arguably more of a comedian than 99% of the worlds population, all from making one joke.) How do they get to be a comedian in the first place if they aren't able to make jokes? It's a self defeating argument that she would just have to take a few steps further to see. It's why jokes and comedy can't be policed, why free speech is so important as a human right.
The Dems have had it with that pesky First Amendment. It's too dangerous for their Progressive plans.
Friendly reminder that a man living in N@zi Germany taught his dog to do the salute to mock the party. He was arrested for it and then promptly released because everyone in power knew it would be ridiculous to prosecute a man for a joke.
Jordan Peterson is awesome. He's such an important voice in the ongoing culture war.
She went for it, she lost. Equality of opportunity. 👏
You really shouldn't use expressions you clearly do not understand, even in jest.
@mon_avis2978 love your arrogance 🙄
I’m still shocked that Warren was dismissed from a school for teaching a student how to think. The fact that it went viral just holds a mirror up to those who set the curriculum.
Not shocking to anyone who's paying attention tbh. This has been going on for a decade plus and it's just now having people wake up. I knew I was homeschooling my oldest before they were even born in 2015 because this is just the tip of the iceberg
I told someone that teachers like that are usually fired this day and age because schools don't want teachers to teach children how to think critically. He disagreed with me, said that it was not like that in the majority of schools and got mad. Then the news broke a few days later that Warren got fired.
@@Gir4Sure Very good move on your part.
I agree its should be shocking but its entirely expected by anyone who works in education. We are in far deeper trouble than generally known.
It's horrible but absolutely not surprising. Critical thinking is always a threat to those in power
Your style of putting videos together to showcase the ebbs and flows of difficult conversations is excellent! Thank you!
You can do longer form content and people would still consume it. I know that's not all you had to say about this interview. JP laid the absolute hammer down. By the end of the interview, the interviewer was practically a JP fan.
Those of us who are here for your content have longer attention spans than 8-10 minutes.
Yup. I was expecting more, particularly with JP's last comment.. Kind of an abrupt end...
Your audience would probably prefer longer, more in-depth analysis (I know I would) but YT wants shorter, smaller bites.
anyone got a tldr for this comment?
@@monalisa-bs4zs
Ha! I see what you did there! 🏆
@@monalisa-bs4zs op want long video, algorithm say no long video, me like funny cat video long time
I worked in government in the 70s and by the time I left nearly all the departments were run by woman and they were the most ruthless backstabbers you could meet and I'm a woman. I was bullied and harassed relentlessly because I was much older than them all and they wanted me out as I didn't fit the 'team' dynamic Ended up retiring early because of it.
Women’s aggression manifests in words, cliques, alliances, bullying, harassment, insults, backstabbing, etc. It can be extremely emotionally vicious and for long periods of time. Men’s aggression manifests in fists and there’s usually an understanding of hierarchy shortly after.
Physical violence isn’t well tolerated in the office, while all the other stuff is (typical female aggressive behavior). It's a challenging problem. A workplace authority can say or have a policy that says, "Be polite, don't insult, etc.", but the aggression would just become more covert, passive aggressive, secretive, outside workplace, etc.
It really won't _stop_ or lessen. These are _women_ and although you can teach an old dog new tricks, the best way to solve the problem is through _prevention_ : raising better daughters.
And, yes, I’ve worked at places where it’s mostly women, so I am very familiar. Jordan, to his credit, is the one who summarized it, abstractly.
@@RodCornholio Yes. I managed women and if they think you are weak as a man then they attack you like a woman and when you act like a man and confront them head on they freak out and cry victim.
Hasn't changed. Check out the WNBA.
I had worked in a group of 40 people. 3 were women. They fought each.
I look forward to every one of your videos, Warren! Keep on keepin'on!!
Jordan Peterson fan channel. Blasts from the past when he still tried to be a psychologist and he made references to Disney instead of the Bible.
Shouldn't a channel representing critical thinking have some sort of knowledge and precedent regarding the things they present? Like the count Dancula skit. If you visit the Swedish comedy show, Ursäkta röran-wiki page, you'll see similar jokes being fined for airing on TV.
This is really bad, Warren. And from Jordan Peterson as well.
This comment will be removed like most comments not pandering to the channel. For just pointing out relevant facts. Sit with thought for a while.
She 'knows' that she is right and unless you agree with her you are the enemy..... and she had the nerve to call Jordon smug.... She needs to look in the mirror.
Her calling him smug is yet another example of the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
Zero self-awareness.
Would she recognise her own reflection?
At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the Tunneling Electron Microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in this woman's opinion.
I watched Peterson for years and noticed he does get fed up with these types of people. It really adds up over the years. His interview with Destiny is an example of him getting fed up and knowing the game he is playing.
I have watched his talk at cambridge, and that was in my opinion, a good talk( I dont know if you can call it a debate). Civil and getting in-depth with their thoughts.
We clearly don't deserve a person as smart and nuanced as Jordan, but we SO desperately need him.
JP and I diverge on the importance of religion.
I admire his ability to calmly cut through the BS and get to the heart of an issue.
@@andrewfleming8103 I suspect he would say "That depends on what you mean by "religion"." ;) I feel that Jordan speaks for my own feelings on the matter quite well. I cannot and don't want to make myself "just go back to church" and join the rituals of belief (not trying to be depreciating here) unironically. But I do now understand the need for personal humility in the face of "deus, sive natura" and also ritual as a community building and anxiety reducing social-psychological technique.
And, yeah, keep fighting the BS, man!
JP had far more patience in this 'interview' than I would have had. She is a tool for her handlers. And an evil person as well.
Honestly it's amazing how many of these 'interviewers' and 'journalists' we have these days. Even to a president they have the audacity to be rude. Like that one journalist who interviewed a president in South-America and told him basically that he has no right to use the oil his country's sitting on. Or even the debate between the 2 'candidates' we had recently where the supposed 'fact checkers' basically told someone who used to be the president to shut it. If we were living in a sane world, people like this would've been fired on the spot at the very least.
She got into trouble for opposing transitioning children
unfortunately shes not evil. these people believe theyre doing the right thing. it makes them dangerous zealots. nut not evil
@@BB-848-VAC Still fits my definition of evil. Ignorance is no excuse.
@@BB-848-VACWhen what they believe is evil, yes they are evil.
I, for one, think Count Dankula's joke was a good joke, an appropriate joke, and a well thought through joke.
Liked and shared.
Godspeed.
The whole situation turned into a joke, where the punchline is Britain's justice system.
To defeat any tyranny, one first has to disrespect it and make a joke out of it. Many comedians, like Spike Milligan, who, being a desert rat, was personally involved in Hitlers demise , made fun of the NAZI's by using visual references to NAZI mannerisms and symbols. The comedy "Allo allo", repeatedly had NAZI salutes and Davis Mitchel did a sketch where he was dressed as a NAZI... Making a dog do a NAZI salute when instructed by the line "kill the jews", s a prefect example of how to destroy the ideology of the NAZI's through the medium of comedy. The dog reprisents the blind obedience of the German people to a wicked ideology . I actually liked the joke but cannot see how the guy ended up in jail for any other reason than the fact that the judge, or judicial system, are themselves NAZI's and thought the joke was too disrespectful of their 'fuhrer'.
@ikenosis8160 I'd say the "appropriate" aspect is questionable, but that's the case with MOST good comedy. I personally thought it was VERY funny, but humor is subjective.
JP is awesome. I enjoy your critical thinking on these issues.
When she says 'outside of the traditional media as an alternative'. is all you need to know.
And she delivered it with terrifying confidence.
They want to gatekeep and protect their own smug little well paid community and persecute and if possible prosecute anyone they see as a threat.
That's pretty much every man out there, lol.
"I define you as not a comedian, therefore imprisoning you is justified."
One of the flaws in their reasoning:
What if the person self-identifies as a comedian?
Doesn't that automatically make them a comedian?
If not, there are a bunch of holes in your whole ideology.
She's a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. She brung a pea shooter to a cannon fight.
There are two grammatical errors in your second sentence: incorrect conjugation and using the wrong verb.
@@mon_avis2978 It should be obvious the grammatical errors are intentional for humorous effect.
@@wolfpat They're also irresistible to the "intellectually superior" folk among us who somehow find subtle humour difficult to understand...
@@mon_avis2978 it's meant intentionally to sound "folksy" like the idea of "Horse 🐴 Sense" which you obviously lack and make up for by being patronizing and condescending. 😆
Power through competency. Yes!
Jorden is the embodiment of an excellent man. My husband asked me why I like him so much. Jorden says and teach what I wish my father would have taught me when I was growing up.
Not being funny (to some) does nothing to change the fact that it was a joke.
Should it even matter if it was? If someone seriously teaches a dog to salute, it's fine to be a crime?
Count's pug thing was 100% a joke. You can think it's not funny, that does not make it a non joke. It was clearly a joke, a low brow shock humor joke, but a joke nonetheless. If you think it was not a joke, you are implicitly asserting that Count is a actually Nazi, which is ludicrous imho.
Are you saying a dog cannot choose his or her or its or their or zare own political party??? Even if it is a reprehensible party it's still his or her or its or their or zari right to choose!😂😢😮😅😊
The speed at which she said jailing comedians is wrong to defending the arrest of a comedian is enough to give you whiplash.
She only has to consider the context of Count Dankula the human being. Has a girlfriend, lives in a flat, looks after dogs, posts videos on RUclips, just getting by day to day. If she thinks people like that are Nazis then she's not met enough people or she's projecting
Of course, and a bad joke at that, not even a little bit funny. Disgusting even, scum of the earth, straight out of the gutter... Am I playing this right? We're not allowed to say it was funny, right?
The only nazi with a hammer and sickle tattoo. 😂
Wow! The clip where they talk about Count Dankula is such a perfect example of how the people who undermine free speech can’t see their own bigotry.
'Everything is a social construction for the social constructionists including hierarchies'. I love that.
It’s also insidiously ingrained into everything that is western culture including even what is sometimes labelled as conservatism.
It’s near impossible to talk about sociology of the modern error without coming from a Marxist paradigm of language
7:37 It doesn't fall within HER conceptualization of comedy, not that it doesn't fit within the conceptualization of comedy. It is obvious she is speaking her opinions as though they were empirical facts.
I remember watching this years ago and my mind being blown at this bit - ‘we don’t arrest people for jokes, but if I don’t like it it doesn’t count a joke’ the lack of self awareness is staggering.
I’d understand if she was a confused school kid but from a ‘respected’ journalist? She shouldn’t work again outside of a burger van
Count Dankula's joke was incredibly funny. One of his best. And the fact that it makes people grab their pearls, makes it even funnier.
She didn't find it funny because it reflects her views perfectly.
I have a tee shirt, it says 'I find it funny, you find it offensive... that's why I'm happier than you!' Sums up my feelings exactly.
3:48 i remember once my mother told me that i can be very intimidating. I asked her how so. She said "you speak with such confidance and surety. You seem so competent." I never thought about how others would wither in the presence of someone who didnt seem lost. It has really stuck with me.
Another good one Warren ! Keep them coming ! Love your stuff.
Good catch there Warren,,, I see you caught herself too : " He did actually ...... (deserve it) is what she wanted to say
I've been following you since the first video that really went viral. It's so awesome to see you really coming into your own and feeling natural or confident in your own skin. This is a compliment, and tho I dont know you apart from these videos, I can say it really has been a pleasure consuming this content while seeing your journey along this path. It's a travesty that you were removed from your position, but you are reaching more people I think than you would have before. Everything for a reason and a season. I'm glad you are making this content.
When you boil down her take on life and politics - quasi Fascist. Or if that is too incendiary a term, she's very much a pro-authoritarian political activist, as long as the authoritarianism upholds what is currently fashionable on the Far Left.
Oh yes, but she's only doing it with the best of intentions for OUR good, not because she's on any kind of power-trip
I would love to see more content like this... analyzing conversations. And at least a bit longer - it's like the video is over, just as it gets interesting.
Maybe with an intro and outro to sort of guide the viewer.
Thank you for posting this. God bless
Trying to have a discussion with people like this, the social constructionists, neomarxists, is so infuriating because they have an answer for everything.
So seeing how well JP deals with that style is like being underwater for almost too long and finally bursting to the surface - you can breathe again!
They have answers in their ideology, but those answers fall apart when encountering the slightest scrutiny and logic.
@@EaglePicking The infuriating thing with having a discussion with them is that they can't see how those answers falls apart because they "hold up" within the ideology. Things like logic, evidence, rational argument all are meaningless compared to the beauty of their deeply held beliefs.
It really is like talking to children who have just done something an adult would recognize as poor behavior and the child is oblivious and argumentative because they believe they can do no wrong. Meanwhile, the adult is thinking “…Are you serious right now? What world are you living in where you’re “right” about this?” Its like talking to brick walls.
@@EaglePickingwell there’s that, and they’re also pretty comfortable with lying. So learning to use Google to factcheck quickly helps as well
Mind expanding thank you
This one and the Channel 4, Kathy Newman, interview - shocking, shocking journalism!
And JP just showing how an adult handles themselves
Also I dont know if anyone else noticed, but they lowered his mic volume and slightly muted him at certain points in the interview. It's rather annoying
The worst thing about her is that she truly believes that she is good, that she is on the side of right (the right side of history, as they like to say). She does not have the self awareness to consider, even for a second, that perhaps she's the bad guy.
She is exactly who C.S. Lewis was warning of when he spoke of tyranny in God in the Dock. Were she to be put in charge of anything, she would pester everyone to death, for their own good.
Loving your posts Warren!
Ive heard a wise man recently say : Being a good woman and a good mother is ALOT OF WORK, its hard and takes energy, alot of it. If being a good wife, woman and a mother would be essentially an "end goal" for most women, why oh why did you get in all of the "i want to do what they do and live how you live" narrative. Now you have to be all these other things as well, who could acomplish so much as an individual? I do not know a single man that could do all that. No wonder most of them are frustrated AF.
I have always wondered about the context of Peterson's take for women to bear children much as I am the motherly type. I found his take too unqualified because I've known unmarried men and women who did a lot with their lives dedicated to founding and running great schools which solidly provided the very structures for the competencies he talks about. Now after seeing his encounter with this particular interviewer so full of herself, I think she was perhaps his context for what parenting can do to open up a narrow mind circling around itself.
They give up being a good woman and wife to do this, clearly.
Thank you for posting this
I remember watching this interview when it came out. Looking back, Dr. Peterson appeared at a crucial time for humanity. He brought understanding and reason to my "lying eyes." I was having a hard time adjusting to, and making sense of, the first wave of what we now know as masterfully radicalized antihuman soldiers pouring out of universities all at once; seemingly gaining social, political, and legitimate power eerily fast. Dr. Peterson opened a lot of eyes long before this interview (his viral YT video of the pronoun debate on campus with a hostile crowd was a first of its kind), but this one showed many prominent voices that it *was* possible to effectively respond to pure irrationality.
Met him on one of his 12 Rules for Life book tours. He's taller than I expected. Cool dude.
I recently rewatched it too. It was… Prophetic.
The greatest and maybe second greatest thinkers of our time. JP and Warren 😊
After I quit teaching last year I found this channel, thank you!
I am surprised there are not more likes on this video. Is it that people do not like it, or that RUclips is censoring likes? Even the comments seem low. 141,000 subscribers - seems low, even for a video only posted 20 minutes ago.
Your suspicions are for sure true. It's also a good idea to use the sort feature above.
I think the ratio for likes is often pretty low across all YT vids, people just don't do it as a matter of course, it isn't representative of whether people liked the vid as opposed to don't. I'm sure I heard another channel saying 10% was pretty good!
Thank. Impressive to watch. Opens my mind.
How you don’t have more subs is beyond me, you are a brilliant thinker and I appreciate your videos. Thank you!
It would be helpful if you put a link to the original video in the description. Thanks Warren!
I love this interview. It was a reckoning. In the archaic sense.
She should have been fired all those years ago. It was an interview, but she treated it like a debate and was still less prepared than he was.
I thought it was a good debate.
He was unnecessarily harsh about Helen.
@@offshoretomorrow3346 It was an interview, not a debate. That's the problem. Her turning it into a debate and being the only one able to prepare for it as a debate and still losing is pathetic. She's a dishonest activist pretending to be a journalist and he was not unnecessarily harsh about someone not even attempting to do her job appropriately.
I enjoy the way you lay down logic in laymans terms. Thank you. My mind isnt on the same level as Jordan Peterson but i love to hear him speak and i love how you have been breaking down these interviews of his.
There is power in having ability and being competent. Queerly, that’s also under attack.
Glad you found this interview and have taken the time to comment on it, even though it happened awhile ago. The Anne McElvoy interview took place around the same time and was fraught with passive aggression on both sides. Hard to say which British woman was worse.
I wish this video was longer. Thank you!
"I'm not making a case for the patriarchal tyranny. I don't think you are either." - Savage.
im loving these videos. fascinating stuff
love your videos. pls try doing longer reactions
I had NO idea this woman existed.
But she does.
THEY do.
And Jordan Peterson is relentless in his pushbacks.
Thanks for sharing, Warren.
When she asks - Do you think you'd be less angry...? What a filthy tactic. This woman's a man hating bully. That stupid Pug joke - This is the first time I've heard about it. C'mon. When Jordan explained it - i involuntarily laughed.
It's nuts but it's not criminal.
Thanks, Warren 👍
Just found your channel. Love the way you edit your videos. Fresh take on the reaction video.
Jordan Peterson Is A Great Man And Is Right, To Me, And She In A Battle Of Witts She Unarmed!!!
Congrats, you've learned the medium quite well and you're getting the views. Get Dr. Peterson to interview!
That was literally that girls 1st day at school with a teacher who is far smarter and wiser than her and willing to call out her bullshit.
Scary thing is that she got to be a BBC journalist before that happened
She used manipulative verbiage the entire time. Disgusting.
It’s all narcs know.
Whay was frustrating about that "interview" like many others, is how it was obviously a bait and switch debate, just for the opportunity and optics to say "i challenged the altrights messiah, and won."
Furthermore the content was just absolutely attrocious. As thousands have pointed out, her position was neither logical nor consistent, but thats because they dont beleove it beeds to be, it only has arrive in some way to a presupposed outcome.
This is a good video. I love this interview! Jordan Peterson is cooking.
This is what they live for - banter wars -rhetorical gladiators. We have to leave the arena- because the ones who really want this game over, those of us awake have to turn off these “shows” me (& you) included.
I wish more people could see through the lies and delusion and see the light and the truth. God, help us in our darkest times.
Would you be willing to give this whole interview a breakdown? You are brilliant at breaking down debates, argumentation, and logic and I think all of us who watched this video would like to see a full breakdown.
Imprisoned for making a joke "We're not at that stage yet". So ask Count Dankula AKA Marcus Meechan about that!
It is fascinating how "we" talked about being arrested for speech back when this interview happened, and people talked about how stupid the idea is of being arrested for speech, and now we have the UK of 2024.
Dude, just found your channel. Big fan
she needs to wake up
Will not happen
The part about the joke shows just how shallow her thinking is. She comes off to me as one who has never had an internal monologue. The total lack of self-analysis is genuinely baffling to me.
"Being imprisoned for a joke is bad! But it's not happening!"
"Yes it is bad. Like that one guy who got arrested for a joke"
"Well that wasn't a joke"
These types believe they live in a story. A story where they are the protagonist and none of the rest of us are real people. A personally tailored story where they can just decide things about the world around us like what is and isn't a joke worth being arrested over.
I watched the interview two times already, guess it's time for a third re-watch 🙂
One person playing checkers, the other playing chess.
You're a Champion, Warren Smith.
Long live Jordan Peterson!
No hierarchy in the wild ? What about some primates, horses, wolves, elephants, lions, bees just to name a few ? I'm no biologist and I'm sure they could come up with tons more.
The edit is unclear, but isn't she saying that she never sees 'people-arguing-against-hierarchies' in the wild. Ie, she says JP is arguing with non-existent people [not that there are no heirarchies in the wild].
@@Dukkha-Bhavanaexcept, of course she is maliciously lying there since every single person calling for "equity" is arguing against hierarchy.
Great video. This woman is part of a successful coordination to devalue JP as a human being and many people I know have thought of him in a very similar way to the narrative that JP is a fascist (evil person) and insane. Over the years though, these initial opinions changed slightly to a more positive view (not entirely) after they exposed themselves to more than *just* what other people were saying about him, like JP's lectures on his channel. The problem is that their first impression was so horrible that they can't fully change their mind about him even though the premise of that initial perception was false.
I remember when I was going through my Jordan Peterson phase. Don’t worry my guy. You’ll get through this.
This should’ve been longer. I think many of us wouldn’t mind watching you react to these whole videos, gladly I would!
Her attempt to put her morals and feelings above all is scary
And what’s scary is that she does not see it
If a pug doing the roman salute doesn't make you smile you must be dead inside.
I do so admire his ability to stay calm when confronted with people like her, I just find myself not bothering with there intransigence and sheer blindness, its just not worth the energy.
I'd love to watch her debate Cathy Newman ref a topic on which they disagree vehemently...that would be weapons-grade incompetence & hilarity.
This conversation is an absolute masterclass. How could anyone go about with the direct intention to completely attempt to destroy him, but come out with so little. I believe there are tidbits in this piece where it may not show easily, but he does actually break her. Its as if for split seconds he becomes the father she needed. I'm not sure if I ever watched the whole thing end to end, but it is remarkable.
Rewatching that one really shows how good jbp is with his words. I am usually pretty sharp with my words in debate too, but generally in writing... Doing that in a hostile scenario in real time and doing it in a way that counters her, keeps his cool, addresses her points ad rem, *and* delivers counter blows without leaving holes in his defenses... Exceptional skill.
A tyrant will always find an excuse for their tyranny.
-Scorpion
I remember this one being painful to even watch. She was so smug in everything she said. Not an ounce of good faith.
Insufferable