Trumpet, Cornet & Flugelhorn: A Comparison
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Played with deep mouthpiece cups...Ahhhh! The various instruments are played at these times: 3:06 - Trumpet, 3:50 - Trumpet, flugel mouthpiece, 4:45 - Cornet, 5:40 - Flugelhorn (times posted are courtesy of Liam Gong). Great dark sounds from a French Besson trumpet by Boosey and Hawkes, a Conn Connstellation cornet and a very nice (new production) Solista flugel by George Rawlin. Enjoy! Blessings, Jonathan Milam 
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Neat! I found some timestamps for people who want to toggle between the samples to hear them "next to" each other...
3:06 - Trumpet
3:50 - Trumpet, flugel mouthpiece
4:45 - Cornet
5:40 - Flugelhorn
Liam; that's fantastic!! Thank you. I'm on the road (away from home) and can't put it in now but I'll put it in the notes later - great work and I really appreciate it. Continued best wishes!
Liam; Again - thank you. I've posted those times at the "Notes" section of the video and given you credit. Best wishes, Liam - and happy playing!
Excellent
THX!
i appreciate these timestamps. i KNOW how trumpet (b flat) sounds which is to say that is the instrument i hear in many of my favorite recordings and the standard of brass players ears. being accustomed to this standard, the shape and length of a "traditional" trumpet (vs gillespie's custom horn), i could visually imagine how a cornet and flugelhorn would sound based on distance (the brass tube length) and resonance (brass tube witdth) without any aural detail.
having said that,, thumbs up to this video and content creator, that gets down to brass tacks (mildly intentional pun) in the discussion not of "sound" (as humans hear it) but of resonance (the physical interaction of waves and objects) WITHOUT being "scientific" or heavy handed.
musicians should find this demonstration insightful while laymen might discover a new type of sound within their preferred range of hearing.
edit: changed 'from' to 'within'
All i know about flugelhorn is just, feels so good.
Hilarious!! Well said. :)
Dont forget Give it All You Got
It also could Chase The Clouds Away.
"Feel So Good" 👎🏿Miles on fluegelhorn is tops!!
15 down thumbs? What exactly were these people expecting to hear? This is a near-perfect demonstration of the differing instruments. Thank you, Jonathan Milam.
Zak - thank you. The 'thumb down' dissaprovals use to (and still do to a degree) bother me. Then one guy said, 'Hey; 61,000 views and 15 thumbs down - that's not bad'. Much better way to look at it! :) But again - thanks. :)
You're right, of course. 61,000+ views is the important number. The thumbs down nothing more than a housefly that lands on your table during a sumptuous family dinner. Easily swatted away, and soon forgotten.
Congratulations on your excellent video, and the tens of thousands, and rising, views.
He explains too much like a grandma giving you unwanted life advice and telling you all about what someone you never met used to say 60 years ago like you care.
there's always going to be a percentage of the population who ultra critical on all sorts of weird points.... perhaps they thought he should be wearing polkadots instead of stripes, or that there should have been more books in the background with pictures of ships or some shit like that!
I can understand thumbsdown on this, technically the audio recording setup is not great, esp when your consider he's trying to show subtle differences between similar instruments.
You shouldn't assume that a thumbsdown is intended to be "mean".
I love the flugerhorn. I love it, love it, love it.
The Flugelhorn is a fun instrument to play. Glad you like it - thanks for commenting. :)
Thank you.
The trumpet is smoking a cigarette. The Coronet is smoking a cigar,but the flugelhorn is smoking a mellow pipe
Though you were gonna say the flugelhorn is like smoking marijuana 😅
@hugoeski I'm sure none of these instruments are strangers to reefer.
what a wonderful comparison. I've never seen these three horns compared anywhere. Thank you
+Rick Booker Rick; Thanks for your kind comment. A fellow, if I recall correctly, from South America had never heard a flugelhorn compared to a cornet and asked me to make a video comparing the three instruments. It's always a pleasure to make a vid (I have about 4 that I need to do soon but I'm away from home for long periods of time at the present and it's got me way behind schedule) for those curious, especially those who haven't access to instruments like many of us in the U.S. have. Again, thanks for your kind comment. Continued best wishes, Jonathan
Thank you for taking the time to make this comparison! I’m glad I could hear all these different horns played by one player, it helps to keep things consistent, highlighting the differences in the instruments.
Cheers!
Thanks, De. My pleasure. I hope you can tell; I do enjoy making the vids. :)
Really enjoyed that Demo, want to pick up a Flugel even more now. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Keep the great videos coming!
I love the flugelhorn sound in many ballads.
I'm in a brass band, (Bb Tuba), and the way that my conductor explains it is that in a brass band you need to blend, and only conical instruments, cornet, soprano cornet, flugelhorn, tuba, baritones, euphoniums. The only non-conical (cylindrical) instruments are trombones in a brass band. So conical instruments go together and they blend very very well. You can even say that cornets are a mellow, more rounded, version of a trumpet, and a flugel is an even more mellow and rounded version of a cornet.
+Nathan Ouedraogo Greetings, Nathan. Very well said - some great points there. Thanks for commenting!
Jonathan Milam Thanks m8 :)
Baritones and euphoniums serve the same purpose, but baritones are cylindrical, not conical. They have the same range and virtually the same sound.
ShroomyHoles I am picking up the Baritone for this very brass band, and let me tell you I hate it. I really dislike cylindrical instruments, and now I have to play one. If I had a choice, I would go for a Euph which has a more mellow, round, and dark sound. Baritones are used as a support for the tenor horns, which do counter melodies. Euphs are used as an extension to the tubas and a support for the baritones. They do not have the same purpose in a brass band (as I just said) but in a concert band, yes they are used the same though most Baritone/Euph parts are actually written and should be played by Euphs.
93jabob I wasn't talking to you -_-
Thank you for the excllent delivery of information and the well referenced ‘about’ section in this video.
Fantastic playing too!
Quodge; thank you. Very kind of you to comment. Continued best wishes, Jonathan
Excellent explanations and demonstrations. Great playing, too. Thanks!
Glad you liked it! Very kind of you to comment. :)
Thank you for preparing and posting this interesting (and very pleasant to watch and listen to) video. (from Australia)
Janine; Thank you. Very kind of you to comment. As you may tell, I really enjoy doing the vids. It's all about sharing all we know - and some of the comments from other listeners are very enlightening. Take care! :)
ive never seen a video with over 10k views and 0 dislikes :O. good shit
Really good vid, thanks for taking the time.
Glad you enjoyed it, Seth; and it's very kind of you to comment. :)
Very good comparisons. I wanted to play trumpet and flugelhorn but could not afford both, so I purchased a shepherds crook cornet which to me satisfied both sounds and ironically is a Blessing.
Last yesterday
Simply wonderful!
Glad you like it, OB. Thanks for commenting. :)
Wonderful video! Have a wonderful day!
Thank you very much: this is very helpful. Flügelhorn, I love or cornet with large bore mouthpiece. Best demo I've found on RUclips.
Kirsty: Greetings and thank you for your kind comment. Yes, the Curry Vintage Cornet mouthpiece does give a lovely dark, mellow tone, doesn't it? :) It's a favorite of mine - with any cornet I've tried it yields a gorgeous sound. Incidentally, I buy almost all of my mouthpieces used, often for $25-35, and boil them, then wash in vinegar mixed with dishwashing liquid to purify, clean and disinfect them. TrumpetHerald.com (in the Marketplace) and Ebay are great sources for mouthpieces and here's a link to Mark Curry's page where he lists his cornet mouthpieces: www.currympc.com/index.php?id=49
Excellent comparison. Thank you
Scott, very kind of you to comment. Continued best wishes, Jonathan
Thanks very much for this video, it's really helpful! You're an excellent presenter
Samuel; thank you. Very kind of you to comment. :)
Very nice video. I love the sound of flugelhorns, hope one day I get to play one
A nice flugel played well is a real cool sound, Toddy. Thanks for your comment! I once bought a very nice flugel from less than $300... They can be found. :)
generous video - thank you for doing that.
Thank you. I enjoy doing these vids; I'm glad they prove enjoyable and beneficial.
Thanks for the comparison!
In addition I like your kind way of reacting to comments and the good wish at the end of the video. God bless!
Thank you, Seen, very kind of you to comment. :) I generally have fun making the videos and I hope they're both enjoyable and informative. I'll take the blessing as well - and raise you one. :) Happy Holidays!
@@JonathanMilam1 Thanks a lot Jonathan! :) Happy holidays to you too!
Im glad this video got no dislikes because it deserves all likes. Thanks for the demonstration and comparison.
+Josh Barrow Josh; Greetings - and thanks for the kind words; I appreciate it. I hadn't noticed that this vid had no thumbs down - but that's nice, isn't it? I do watch closely my monthly stats; how many thumbs up, how many down - but hadn't noticed the nice stats for this particular video. Right after I started making these RUclips vids a few years back, a guy from one of the Central American countries asked if I could make a vid showing the difference between the trumpet, cornet and flugel. I don't think he'd ever held a flugel, but he'd heard about them. We're very lucky here in America - we have almost everything, don't we? :) Again, thanks for the kind comments.
After playing a bell lyre for 20 years, I started learning to play Flugelhorn with my dad's 1960s rotary valve instrument as my new year resolution. Nice comparison of alternatives when I choose to buy a new one.
Frank Schmitt Frank; Greetings. Thanks for your kind comment. I enjoy making the vids and always hope they'll be beneficial to someone. Continued best wishes, Frank.
Wow. I enjoyed this! ❤️☺️
Glad you enjoyed it, and I hope it was informative. :)
estupenda comparación, muchas gracias.
E mais uma vez, obrigado por comentar. :) (with google translate)
This is so great -- super helpful and interesting. Especially good because you show us multiple mouthpieces on the instruments. I'm a former french horn player and interested in playing the trumpet. I am interested in a pretty dark, but not mushy, sound. I really liked the sound of the cornet with the flugelhorn mouthpiece. Of course, so much of the sound comes from your beautiful playing too! I"m a little daunted by the difficulty of the cornet compared to the others, but perhaps my french horn air capacity will come back and help me out. The mouthpieces made a big difference; I see that you have another video comparing mouthpieces, which I'll check out. Thanks again!
Glad you found this video interesting. While in middle school and high school, I also played French Horn. I switched to trumpet late in my last year of high school. Really, the French Horn is a more challenging instrument than the trumpet or cornet, I think. The 'slots' on a French Horn are much harder to find (hitting a note soundly) but this doesn't mean the trumpet/cornet is easy... Much is expected of a great trumpeter; range, clarity, volume...It's not altogether easy. :) A good mouthpiece can greatly help you achieve the 'dark' sound you like; a deep V. On cornet I'm using a Curry Vintage Cornet mouthpiece; very deep V with quite a large throat. It really does yield a lovely sound, doesn't it? Keep in touch - and again, thanks for your kind comment.
That was great!
eric davis Eric; Thanks! Playing horns is certainly one of the finer points in life. Take care, Eric.
That was a very enjoyable video. Thanks. The trumpet-flugelhorn mouthpiece is interesting.
I thought you'd mention how each of the three instruments suited a different part of the range - i.e. the flugelhorn favours the low end of the range, and makes it harder to play high, the trumpet is the opposite, and the cornet is somewhere in the middle.
I love all of them, but I'm not very good at the high range on any of them, so I have more fun with the cornet and flugelhorn.
I also have a cheap 4 valve flugelhorn, which isn't very well made, and I had to modify the fourth slide to get it at all useful (it was much too short), but I enjoy it. I probably have more range on that than the others, because it extends down further.
Excellent video 👍 I like the idea you play the same piece of music so we can hear the different sounds.
Thank you, Marc. It's very kind of you to comment. :)
Great video!
Tien; thank you. :) I appreciate your comment and I'm glad you enjoyed the vid!
Have always love brass instruments. Despite being a conguero, my love for brass has always existed. Trumpet, cornet, flugel, french h, soprano sax, alto, tenor, trombon, and the variations of the afore mentioned. Thanks sir.
South Central L.A. Calif
Greg, I like brass too. :) Thanks for commenting! :)
What about bari sax
Great job sir
Thank you! Very kind of you to comment. :)
Love this. Need to get back into brass. Used to have all of them. Even had a valved trombone
Randy; Come back!! :) It’s a great hobby. Hope you can find time for it. :) Thanks for commenting!
@ Randy -- Did you get round to it? How's it going?
God Bless!
Triton lakemarsh Triton - thank you! I'll take a blessing anytime! :)
This video is older but I'm glad you put it up because it gave me some interesting things to think about.
First of all, very nice playing! I can tell you feel at home with the trumpet/flugel mouthpiece. It's a strong, consistent, tasty tone.
I'm not that much of an equipment nerd, but I do play on a Connstellation trumpet which I know is also a very large bore. (My cup mute does not stay in on its own...) Because I'm a goober I didn't know there were also Connstellation cornets. I can really hear similarities in color between what you played on the cornet and my trumpet (especially the second mouthpiece), so I wonder now how similarly they FEEL to play and how easy would it be to transition between the two.
I think what you mentioned about the "diffusal" of the flugel tone is spot-on. My speculation is that it has to do with where, in and outside the horn, the player is aiming with their air. A lot of times people who mostly play trumpet tend to aim close because of what it takes to reach those higher notes. (Speculation - I can only speak from my own experience!) I find if I'm focused on a point about a foot away from my bell, on flugel, I can center my sound more easily.
Thanks again for the great demonstration video!
Stephanie; greetings. Some great comments - especially about visualizing the placement of sound. I'm a better singer than player and your thought holds even more credence in the vocal field. The Connstellation is a very fine instrument; whether in the trumpet form, the short cornet (as in my video) or the long cornet style. I've tried several times to buy a Connie Trumpet (as some call them) but never been able to pull off a sale - you're very lucky to have one. Enjoy your horn and thanks for commenting on this vid. It's the comments that make this channel so interesting. :)
Very well done. Pay no attention to the 29 ungrateful snobs who gave it a thumbs down. Where are their videos lie this?
Thank you. It's funny, but the thumbs down used to really bother me. Then I had a guy comment on one of my videos and he said something like (in this case) '102,000 views and 29 dislikes??? That's a tremendous percentage!' But I still watch all the thumbs down, believe me. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 I know this sounds judgemental, but it seems that trumpet players are a special class of snobs. Evidently others think the same. Just google trumpet jokes. They are harlarious. Also the other day I watched a video interview of a famous trumpet player, he has more recordings in chamber music than anyone, according to the video. Anyway, he talked about a pice that had a piano and a trumpet. Sometimes the piano took the lead and others the trumpet. That is the way it was written. BUT it was hard to find trumpet players to let the piano take the lead. Such arrogance.
True. And hilarious, too. :)
Hi jonathan i liked your posted video,,, and i convenced the flugel horn sounds nicer and sweeter.. my trumpet really i loved i play in my church but i will buy my flugel horn next week like my birthday gift and my next is the piccolo trumpet .. for play the johann sebastian bach works,... thanks for your musical advice
Great comparison.
Thank you, Eddie. I've got better sound on my recent vids, but this was fun. Take care - and have a great year. :)
Meer dan 50 jaar geleden heb ik zowel cornet, trompet als bugel gespeeld. En enige tijd es-cornet. Toch bleef ik trouw aan de trompet die ik nog steeds heb staan! Ik heb ook nog een drietal jaren op althoorn gespeeld (dat was in het begin van 1951-1953
(I hope this translation is good...) Erg goed! Bedankt voor je reactie ... 50 jaar is een goede, lange tijd om te spelen!
Great video. Good job in presenting difference in tones. I found your comment about lip trills difficulty on the cornet. I'm thinking the conical shape of the cornet doesn't slot as well as the trumpet or flugelhorn. My flugelhorn an Antoine curtois brevete trills pretty well in the upper register perhaps because of the uniform smaller bore past the valve block.
Great demo each instrument sounds great in proper application.
John - good comment about the cornet. Thanks for commenting ~ and especially for the kind comment. :)
My first horn was the cornet - a hand-me-down. As I advanced through high school, that was my axe, until my band director insist I use a school-provided trumpet. As a matter of fact, I've never owned my own trumpet. If the need arises, I'll rent one. My favorite horn has always been the flugelhorn. I've owned several - from Chinese knock-offs, a Getzen Eterna, and a vintage Couesnon. There's a saying: "The flugelhorn is your girlfriend; the trumpet, your wife. If you get these confused, it may cost you your life!" Well, cost-be-damned, I am eternally bound to the flugelhorn. It is so soothing, so rich, capable of voice-like inflections, and so perfectly adept to solo work.
Gotta say, the flugel is enjoyable. Then again, a good cornet is lovely, too. :) Thanks for commenting!
I just heard an Australian band cover “Sweet Thing” by Rufus using a flugelhorn. It sounded awesome.
Very nice; thanks for commenting. A flugel and be such a great sound. :)
great
Tomas, Thank you for commenting. It was a fun vid. :)
Thanks again man. Great video. (Can't seem to distinguish the trumpet from the cornet a lot.)
The trumpet and cornet.... Not too much difference. I think a mouthpiece makes more difference than the instrumental difference, personally. But they do have different playing characteristics; to me that is the greater difference.
Appreciate your answer Jonathan.
I like the frugal mp in the trumpet sound
Hey Jonathan! Great channel! As a fellow Christian I also enjoy and am part of my worship team at church, and love to play the trumpet. I currently play the trumpet but I'm looking into buying a flugelhorn. Which instrument do you think would compliment contemporary worship the best? Because I don't know which is is more suitable, the flugelhorn or the trumpet. Which one do you think would serve best in a contemporary worship band?
+Muhunyo Maina Muhunyo; Greetings. Flugelhorn is a great instrument but it won't project nearly as well as a trumpet in most instances. With the proper microphone and a nice, slow worship song the flugel could add a lot to the worship tone - but you would need help from a sound team or mic. It's really hard to beat the sound of a good trumpet in worship; even the prophet said, 'Blow the trumpet in Zion'! Of course if he'd only heard a nice flugel played, right? :)
Hi, great video. From which piece did the excerpt you played on the video originate? It sounds really pretty.
Kate; Greetings. That's a relatively recent Christian Worship chorus. The words are, "Everything, everything; You've become everything to me...". It's a hauntingly beautiful phrase if music... I overused it for months in my vids. :)
Back in middle school when I received the trumpet I own now from a family friend it came with a cornet. About a year later I returned the cornet back to the people who gave it to me, thinking I did not have a use for it. What a fool I was, I still regret that decision to this day.
A very thoughtful move, but regretful. :) Thanks for sharing. A nice cornet is a very nice item to have. :)
It's all about the Flugel horn maaaaaaan!…
Muchas gracias por este video.
I find the flugelhorn is much nearer in sound to the french horn.
+Alejandro Nieto That's a very good observation. I agree and I think that's the tone they were going for. I played French Horn in Middle and High School - and the flugel is certainly an easier instrument, but it does have a nice mellow sound, doesn't it? Thanks for your comment, Alejandro!
Ok, did not know it was easier to play. It would be a pity that it were underrated because of that.
thanks
You're welcome! :)
The Flugelhorn is like smoking a pipe compared to a cigarette
Thanks!)
My pleasure! Happy Holidays! :)
Thanks! And the same to you!)
You were wondering at the end if the full effect of the flugelhorn was coming through on the audio for this video. How many microphones did you use? It makes a big difference if you're recording in stereo vs. mono.
+rogermwilcox Greetings, Roger. It's a little Zoom piece which does record in stereo using two small mics. Still, the spread of any flugel I've played is always shocking to me; perfect for intimate, small venues - and I always fear it just doesn't convey as well as I'd like. Thanks for your comment!
Hi Jonathan, may i ask what some of your favorite flugel horn musicians are? Also what melodies do you like on flugel horn, two of my faves are Chuck Mangioni and Luis Aquino from PR but Im looking for others as well, thanks all the best
SouthCentral LA Ca
Great question! It's hard to beat Chuch Mangione and "Feels So Good", isn't it? That is SUCH a classic flugel song. And it has quite a range, too. Not the easiest song to play. :) I've listened to different guys that were brought up at TrumpetHerald.com, and one thing I'll say is this: Usually the best flugel players are guys that major on flugel. It's really hard to play the trumpet most of the time and then play the flugel for one song and sound good. Frankly, it takes me days to get ready to do one of my simple reviews for a flugel... It's just so different from trumpet. :) By the way, I'll put out a vid soon that features a trumpet with a pretty heavy copper bell that's almost 6"... It sound more flugelly than several of the flugels I've had. And it plays in tune! :) Again, great question. Thanks for listening and commenting.
The Solista is a fine horn.....can’t imagine in GRawlin’s life time there were too many brass players that were much better. I’ve heard him do things on a trumpet that defies explanation, what an elite player ..wow.🙏🎺
He is a really fine player. And I do like his flugel! :)
Just thinking of getting a trumpet so came here. The flugelhorn sounds more my thing. Sort of smokey? Thanks for the comparison, helped a lot.
Edward; Smoky is indeed a good description of a flugel. In a large room, the sound of a flugel can kind of dissapear. But in a small room, bar, etc., it's a great horn. The cornet, with the right mouthpiece, can sound similar but have greater projection. Cornet's are pretty much a bargain right now, trumpets steal the show. :) I bought a lovely Olds Recording cornet a few weeks ago for under $500; a tremendous price for one of the finest cornets ever made. TrumpetHerald.com, in the marketplace, will occasionally offer a Trent Austin doubler's flugel at around $500; a nice price for a copy of the venerable Yamaha 731; one of the more popular all-time flugels (like Chuck Mangione played for "Feels So Good"). Thanks for listening and commenting, Edward. Best wishes for happy holidays! :)
Great video Jonathan. The music teacher in my school wants me to play the flugel, should I get the piston ones or rotor ones?
I'm embarassed to say that I've only played piston flugels. :) I've never played a rotary trumpet either. Of course I did start on French Horn in Middle School, but since I've moved to trumpet, cornet and flugel - it's all been piston. Let me know what you decide to do! :)
Very good! Jonathan, I have a french horn, trumpet and mellophone...I wonder if I get get a deeper, better tone from my trumpet if I used my mellophone mouthpiece on it? I will try it. I know that when i first started playing my mellophe all I had was a trumpet mouthpiece and it worked OK but the mellophone mouthpiece dd give it a much better sound I think....Any suggestions? Thanks
+Jesse Nelson Jesse; Greetings. I've never had my hands on a mellophone. I did play French Horn when I was younger - I think they may share similarities. If so and if your mellophone has a deep V mouthpiece - you may find it fun to use - if it fits properly in the trumpet. I've had several Trumpet/Flugel mouthpieces through the years and have enjoyed them to a degree. I'm now using Bob Reeves mouthpieces most of the time and he's supposed to have a 'C2J' mouthpiece that is a DEEP 'V' type mouthpiece but with a smaller throat/backbore - I've wanted something like that for years. Anyway, it's fun to try new stuff for a different (and hopefully better) sound. Let us know how the mouthpieces work, Jesse. Continued best wishes, Jonathan
Thank you for responding to my question jonathan. I have never played the flu gel horn either but I love the mellow tone it produces. That's why I love the mellophone too. I still need a lot of practice but I'm slowly getting better with so excited ruff edges to smooth out. I purchased a Yamaha trumpet a few years ago and ki d of taught myself but I have to tell you a funny story. My wife would send me outside to play my trumpet and my little do, and opsa. Lopso, I think k how it's spelled. Anyway, I started playing "Too young" and mydog, Patch started singing with me...howling, of course☺ so I told him to get it the key of "F".....well, I laughed so hard, I was not expecting him to be my musical companion😊. You can see us on youtube under "patch and jesse's trumpet performance"... I had to try to leaned to play the brass instruments.... I've been playing tenor sax since 1965 and guitar much longer. Sorry, I get long winded, I guess that comes from blowing my horns so long 😊😃
+Jesse Nelson So you are aware, the mellophone and french horn mouthpieces are splitting images, if not they may actually be the same, and the french horn mouth piece can be used in a trumpet, but with the small difference that I'm thinking there is from the mellophone, the mellophone mouthpiece may make the tone better, however there is a reason it isn't classified as a trumpet mouthpiece. I hope that was helpful.
Well, not really. French Horn and mellophone may look similar (and some of the older versions do), and while having a v-shaped cup like the horn mouthpiece, the mellophone mouthpiece is the same size as a trumpet mouthpiece (I played mellophone with a trumpet mouthpiece in high school). Some of the old Bach and Yamaha (I think) mellophones had leadpipes that were more along the lines of a cornet, and used a cornet or flugel-sized mouthpiece (I have two french horn mouthpiece adapters, one for the standard marching mellophone (trumpet mouthpiece size) and one for the old Bach mellos (which can also be used with a flugel or cornet, and also, as I found out, a Boy Scout bugle!). The last true mellophone mouthpiece I saw looked more like the big brother of a flugel mouthpiece (trumpet-shaped on the outside, deep v-cup on the inside).
Excellent overview.
A few questions:
1. Just so I understand correctly, if someone was looking for a trumpet that has a warm/dark/mellow sound what should they look for?
2. Can you please identify the trumpet-flugel mouthpiece you used on the trumpet?
3. Do flugelhorn mouthpieces generally fit in trumpet lead pipes.
Thanks again for the informative video!
Good questions! Generally a heavy bell will yield a darker tone; Stradivarius trumpets for example have a 37H (for Heavy - but they're rare). Copper will yield a darker tone, bronze next, then GoldBrass (brass with a little copper content). But its SO much easier plugging a trumpet/flugel mouthpiece into almost any horn - it'll darken the tone drastically.
2. I probably use a Trent Austin TA/TF mouthpiece here. Mark Curry pieces (they're good and VERY affordable - especially used) has a great series of TF mouthpieces (many different sizes, all the same deep V piece).
3. Flugelhorn mouthpieces do NOT fit into trumpets, they're quite a bit smaller. Of course you may add tape to the backbore... But you're better off buying a TF (TrumpetFlugel mouthpiece; they sound like a flugel but are made for the trumpet). And the best I've found is Bob Reeves C2J, I use it on most of my new videos. I think I bought mine used at TrumpetHerald.com in the Marketplace for around $50 a couple years back.
I do hope this helps - keep in touch. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 Thanks so much, Jonathan! You’re the best and your channel is definitely my favorite trumpet-related channel! God bless and wishing you and your family a great upcoming holiday season!
Hello! I know this an old video haha, but I wanted to ask which is best to start on if you're a total beginner? Frankly, I love the flugelhorn the most and would rather start learning on that, but I've heard that it's more difficult/fussy. I've got some sensitive ears lol! Thanks so much for your help :)
Andrea; Generally, one would suggest beginning with a trumpet or cornet, but if you like flugel - go for it. I just did a review of a Dillon Flugel - new at $475 and that's hard not to go for. Here's the review...ruclips.net/video/yCyCf9L-WFE/видео.html
I almost always buy pro horns - but I always buy them used. I can switch then, buy and sell, and lose much less with used horns pro horns. Cornets are cheaper than trumpets used - because they're not so in style now. If I can help further feel free to holler. Email is easiest - djm8126@gmail.com
only the trumpet seems to have that bark, however the flugel sounds almost like it's made of wood. the cornet seems to have the most articulation, the sound is least interfered with. i need all of these, and i can't even play wind. thank you very much for the information.
Well said... The trumpet does have that 'certain sound', I think. :)
Awesome video. I have many questions! Are there even deeper Trumpet mouthpieces which would bring the Trumpet sound even closer to the Cornet? Is there any difference in effort in playing Trumpet with a normal Trumpet mouthpiece vs deeper ones? I love the richness of the Flugel but to me the notes don't sound as.. distinct? clear? as the Trumpet and Cornet. Are there also different mouthpieces for Cornet which would bring it's sound closer to Flugel while retaining the clearer notes? Thanks!
I think it's pretty easy to make a trumpet sound like a cornet; mouthpieces can alter sound incredibly. While I'm sure that cornet purist's would disagree, I'd think a blind test would be very much an eye opener here. :) (no goading intended; I actually find the cornet more challenging to play). The deeper the cup, I find articualtion becomes more challening, and range is too. I agree; flugels possess a very rich sound but one loses clarity with the larger bell, the deeper mouthpiece and the larger backbore size. The thing that makes a flugel have a flugel sound, in my opinion, is the larger bell - the sound is just more diffused. I can make the tone similar with a copper bell trumpet and a big mouthpiece, but the diffusion just isn't there when I use a 4.5" trumpet bell and a 6" or 6.5" flugel bell. Remember, with mouthpieces, bell size and material - 'everything effects everything'. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 thank you for all of the info, much appreciated
Oh, one other thing. :) The flugel is not my favorite instrument; the intonation problems on them drive me crazy. The trombone is one instrument I find interesting but I just can't handle the big mouthpiece. I've got a little tenor trombone that I've experimented using a trumpet mouthpiece on, specifically the Reeves C2J trumpet/flugel piece. It works great!! One gets a sound very much like a flugel, but you get the benefit of the slide (which for slurring notes is simply fantastic. Anyway, I need to get a RUclips vid up using it. The bell of a small tenor trombone is just about exactly that of a flugel; close to 6", so the sound is very, very similar. Again, food for thought. The flugel sound, but with a (to me at least) mouthpiece I can manage.
@@JonathanMilam1 Very cool and very interested in that tenor trombone. Currently I'm leaning towards trumpet because although my primary interest is a muted jazzy sound, it seems a muted trumpet with various mouthpieces would give far more flexibility for other sounds vs a cornet or flugel even if the sound is not completely as rich. But the slide ability of the tenor trombone seems intriguing.
I must say you are a great player but the audio on the camera doesn't do justice to how beautiful the trumpet type instruments sound so I suggest to all to hear these in person. Btw loving the content I am a trumpet player.
What do you think of playing trumpet parts with a cornet?
Goncalo; Greetings. I think it's fine and I think very few people would be able to tell the difference...But a purist would probably hate this thought. :) I say if it sounds good and you enjoy it...Go ahead and have fun! The cornet is a beautiful instrument but not nearly as popular as it should be.
Nice video Jon.
I prefer the sound of a good trombone player over the trumpet generally, as I lean towards lower soprano on down, although I like flute and some trumpet soloists kick butt, but I really do like the flugelhorn sound best. I've been listening to Wilbur Harden on my old circa late '50's Yusef Lateef albums. 👍 Can't play brass instruments,
but I do play alto and tenor sax, and also flutes. I'm a woodwinds dude lol 🎷😉
Thanks for your kind words. I've been talking to several trumpeters today; we expect bright out of a trumpet, less so out of a cornet, and still less (a nice mellow sound) out of our flugels. Gotta say though - I love flute. I've got one I play every now and then. I've also got an alto sax up in my closet for when I retire (about 3 years from now). That way I can tell my wife, 'Hey, now I've got sax appeal!' (old line - but I love it). And I do have the alto sax waiting. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 😄🎷Good luck with that Jon, although tenor sax seems way sexier than alto to a lot of folks, but I think it's all about the tone. Good tone well placed in any octave can sound awesome..😉
Whenever I heard Cannonball (Julian Adderly) working a solo over multiple choruses with a tenor man (Coltrane, Lateef, or whoever) preceeding or following, it always sounded awesome. Alto sax is great fun, and "quicker" than tenor. Smaller and lighter is easier to work.. and as you also know, you just need the right mouthpiece (and reed combination) and the facility through finger dexterity, embouchure and practice to ultimately harness the tone desired from the horn. Best of luck..
Learning is lifelong..👍
Have fun!👨🏻
Very nice viseo thank you. Personally I play a large bore Cornet with a big nmouthpiece and Flugel with a large mouthpiece also. (You're good at spelling too).
You must have chops of steel. I have played larger bore horns and I've used big mouthpieces, but when put together I have the endurance of a gnat. Like 45 seconds? Maybe a little exageration... But maybe not. :) I've got a Conn 80A I think I'll be selling soon. Very nice little horn, but a .480 bore?? That's like a valve trombone! :) And the spelling comes and goes, too. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 0.48" is enormous, problem is it needs a deep mouthpiece with a large throat. My Sovereign is a 0.463" with a Denis Wick 4. It's tough but the sound near perfect, at the end of a concert or recital I'm considerably more tired than my fello trumpetter, (2 hours is the limit for me), he can carry on for another hour - but it doesn#t sound right. I'd love to try the Conn.
The Flugel however is with a Denis Wick 4FL and I just have to accept I'm not spending much time above top b because I can't do it for too long, however it plays so smoothly.
It appears that the instruments all seem to be stylistic sounds, with the cornet being more for marches and flugelhorn more for jazz. Is that how it is? I play the Bb and I've been looking into buying another, whether it be a professional Bb, a cornet, or a flugelhorn, but I absolutely LOVE to play jazz, so would a flugelhorn be best for this?
+Paul Beyer The cornet is very similar to the trumpet but not nearly so popular now as it was 50 years ago. Mostly the cornet seems relegated to beginners (with its smaller leadpipe it's easier to derive tone from) and dixieland - but it can be used in most any venue. The flugel is definitely great for intimate jazz settings; with its diffused, spread sound it's easy to listen to enjoyably in smaller settings/rooms.
Noted. Thanks so much.
This is literally the standard video for the comparison between these instruments here on youtube ahahaha. I wanted to ask you a newbie question, is the flugel mouthpiece for the trumpet like the Bach 3C for example? (Or other vendor's equivalent, I take the Bach as a reference because it's the only category I know)
Vhego; thanks for the compliment. The video on trumept, cornet and flugel was actually a request by someone in South America that had heard of flugels but had never seen one; they were curious as to the sound difference. I'm glad I was able to help him with the video and others have enyoyed it as well, I think. I'm happy to help. I think I'll make a quick video (maybe later today?) about Trumpet-Flugel mouthpieces; I have two that are very different at the moment. I think the TF (trumpet/flugle) mouthpieces are about like any other; there are several different makers and many different favorites. I've had one by Kanstul, one by Mark Curry, and right now I have one by Bob Reeves and one by Trent Austin. The difference is basically how wide the throat is; some take a tremendous amount of air to use. For instance, the Bob Reeves C2J (that's his trumpet/flugle piece) has an 11 size drill hole for the throat - that's huge. It puts out a tremendous dark tone but really sucks the air out of me. I prefer Trent Austin's TF piece; it is a very deep V but is probably a 24 throat or so. I can actually hit high notes (although with the deep V it isn't real easy) but I find it very useable. Great question; hope this helps! Oh, by the way, if you want one I'd suggest looking on Ebay or TrumpetHerald.com . New mouthpieces by custom makers are usually at least $100, often over $200 while I've bought most of my TF mouthpieces at TrumpetHerald.com for $30 or $40. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 Thanks for the detailed and quick response Jonathan! I actually don't own a brass instrument yet and still evaluating which one to have, as a beginner, between a flugelhorn and a trumpet with flugel mouthpiece (the latter seems like the most versatile choice but probably the toughest one to start with since, if I got it right, flugel mouthpieces have a wider throat in general) looking forward to watch your video about it and hopefully have a clearer thought on which one to buy.
Sorry; not TF mouthpiece vid today. A home repair project took longer than expected. I'll try to put one out when I can which will be next weekend at the earliest, I think. My opinion; a trumpet or cornet are better instruments to start on than the fluglehorn. They are just much more useable. But whatever gets you to practice most will be the best to start on (little humor here). In the U.S. right now cornets are simply not in vouge so a pro cornet seems often to be available at much better prices. Food for thought. Good luck! :)
@@JonathanMilam1 Oh sure, no problem at all, thanks again for the response!
About how much would a Rawlinds Solista flugelhorn cost, and do you know where I would get one? I play euphonium but I believe that playing a flugelhorn would help with increasing my range, building my chops, and I believe it's simply a beautiful instrument I'd love to play.
At one point I thought playing trombone helped my chops, but then I realized I was struggling so much with the larger mouthpiece (cheeks puffed, huge struggle) that I've stopped playing the trombone. Still, each embochure is different; it may help you. I've know other low brass players that felt it was a help. Here's a link... Also, I just did a review on a great Weril flugel - very fine horn. I see there's one on Ebay. I REALLY like the Weril flugels!! The Solista is also a very fine horn.... Here's a link to George Rawlin's site. He's also a great player and has a very good reputation as a nice guy. grawlin-com.mybigcommerce.com/grawlin-products/solista-and-solista-hunter-instruments/solista-rose-brass-flugel-our-top-2015-seller-over-100-sold/ Keep in touch - let me know how it works for you if you try the flugel. :)
Jonathan Milam Thank you for the feedback and the link! I'll keep what you said in mind.
so is an elite stomvi flugelhorn or not? Where can I buy one like this? what brand is it? I like his stamp too much. thank you
Luca; Greetings. I've never played any Stomvi for more than just a few minutes and have never played a Stomvi Flugel... Perhaps someone else will contribute with some knowledge of Stomvi horns.
The flugelhorn reminds me of old war videos
Thanks for commenting, Jukes. :)
Do the cornet and flugel have the same valve fingerings as the trumpet? I am learning Trumpet, but really like the flugelhorn's nice lower register. I am a bassist at heart, but I have wanted to learn a brass instrument since the 6th grade. I wanted to buy a Euphonium, but just couldn't afford one so I picked up a student tier Trumpet. High brass is better than no brass am I right? I don't really want my Trumpet practice to go to waste, but the flugelhorn, it calls me!
Yes; the flugel, trumpet and cornet all use the same fingerings. And valve trombone and baritone do as well. :) You can occasionally find a 'marching baritone' that is very compact; made for marching parades and football fields, that is an octave lower than the flugel/cornet/trumpet; it is pitched like a trombone. :)
Как нет двух одинаковых женщин.., так и нет двух одинаковых труб.
Дякую за випуск!
Очень хорошо сказано! И спасибо за комментарий. :)
I never even watched the video, but just asking, does the flugehorn have a more beautiful and peaceful sound than a trumpet
Um, watch the video?
The flügelhorn's sound is much softer than both the trumpet, which is quite piercing, and the cornet which is in between.
Very well said, Kimberley. I agree entirely.
I like my SOLISTA . Well built horn
Good to hear, Paul. The guy that sells them is quite a good player.
@@JonathanMilam1 Feels Ike Getzen valves in it. I sold my Getzen Eterna. I noticed you had a video about that Getzen Deuxe wit a copper bell. How does that horn compare with my Bach 190?
One question. Do you know what instrument has like a sound of a trumpet that has a huge mouthpiece. Because I have tried several trumpet mouthpieces And none of them could fit my big lips. Because I love the way they sound. But all of the ones I tried The cup is not deep enough. If you could let me know how to fix this problem I would appreciate it.
I played a Bach 1 trumpet mouthpiece for a while; it's the biggest Bach makes. I had a Schilke 24 for a while; it's a trumpet mouthpiece that is so large - it's almost like a small trombone mouthpiece, and it's certainly the largest trumpet mouthpiece I know of. Otherwise, you get into trombone mouthpieces. Those are too large for me, but you could try a Schilke 24 and see. Schilke pieces are more affordable than many (thank God). Good luck Aaa; I hope you find what you need. :)
@@JonathanMilam1 are you on Skype or Facebook or any of those services. Because if you are I can show you how good I can do once I get it. And then you could send me the link to it.
@@sivvitytech3118 That would be great! I'd love to hear you. I'm Jonathan.milam.31 at facebook, or just post a link here (I'm here much more than I'm on Facebook). Good luck, I really hope a large mouthpiece helps. I talk some about lips and mouthpieces on this video, but it sounds like you know what you need. :)
ruclips.net/video/XetkMUovPmM/видео.html
I’ll tell you what my Facebook name is so you can find me. But I have to read it and do that we have to get rid of the comments so no one else can see this. But here you go. It is Austin Ayen. And you’ll know when you find the right one because it will say went to school at the New York State school for the blind in Batavia New York.
@@sivvitytech3118 Austen; Thank you. I'll try to find you there and send a friend request. Best luck - and do keep in touch. :)
The trumpet with the flugel mouthpiece sounds very similar to the cornet.
Well said! :)
What is the name of the piece you are playing? Great video
Greetings and great question. :) I can't find the song but I (thought) I once heard a Christian chorus that went, "Everything, everything; You've become everything to me..." and then repeated those words. However; I've googled the words and never been able to match them - or I'd gladly provide the link. :) Haunting melody, isn't it?
Jonathan Milam yes it is, I’ll just have to listen to it many times and play by ear
Just ordered Flugel horn and cornet off ebay (J Packer) cheap as chips used but will do for practising, fate drew me to it. Could not find a descent dealer in the uk for trumpet, they sell used as brand new so not interested. The Yamaha we ordered from their London dealer had problems with valves after swapping out a couple of times. Customer service was dreadful, happy for me to leave the shop with sticking valve on a new YTS 6335s with a policy of no refunds just repair, so politely refused.
If you go to TrumpetHerald.com, visit Forums, and Horns, you can find a lot of ideas about sticking valves on used horns. I've learned SO much there! Good luck, and keep in touch. If I can help with the valve, ideas, etc., just let me know. :)
I'm the oddball I guess but I just like the crispness and tone of the trumpet the most.
That is a very good point, really. I like them all; but when a trumpet is played very well, it's such a thrilling sound. :) Thanks for commenting. :)
If you can play one can you play them all?
Brent; essentially yes. They share the same fingerings and basically the same range, so yes. Still, the Flugel takes a different approach than trumpet, and trumpet from cornet. Lots of guys can double or even.play all three but few play all three with equal expertise. Most guys that are truly top flugelists stick with that. But the essentials are similar. Hope this helps, Brent.
Name of the music you played so wonderfully?
Thanks for the compliment! :) I'm sorry; I tried to find it on RUclips and, ugh, can't. It's a song I heard sung in a church in Florida once and I think the words to the chorus go, "Everything, everything; you've become everything to me..." Those words are repeated twice with just a little bit of change to the melody. I'm sorry I can't find it for you done professionally... It is a haunting little melody, isn't it? I heard it once years ago and it's still in my head! :)
YES ABSOLUTELY, it has been in my head for days now. Thank you for trying to look it up for me. It really was played beautifully. Maybe one day i will sound as polished on my cornet as you do on yours.
You're very kind; thanks for the nice comments. So much of becoming a good brass player is simply practicing consistently and wisely. Years ago I found a great website, TrumpetHerald.com and the forums there have provided me with lots of good ideas, tremendous knowledge how to get past challenges and just good motivation. Maybe you'll enjoy it as well. I hope you have your best year this year!
I loved the tune as well and tried to find it on the internet based off this comment. Found this song that you may enjoy. ruclips.net/video/8Ja0YL9EIDg/видео.html
I like it!! Very nice; thanks for posting! :)
Is it just me or was the cornet airy almost sounding like a leak?
Cereal 27 It is airy! It's actually the mouhpiece. Mark Curry States on his mouthpiece site that he's going for the vintage, breathy tone. His BBC mouhthpiece, which I demo along with a few other large-cup corny pieces in a recent video, gets a big, dark tone without the breathy sound of the Vintage Cornet piece used here. Good catch!
Whats the name of the demonstration tune you play on the three horns Jon?
Thanks foristening! :) That's a church chorus I heard one time. 'Everything, everything; Youve become everything to me...' then the words repeat. I've searched but never found it anywhere. Not sure of the name, 'Everythingg'? Or, 'Youve Become Everything to Me'? Haunting Melody, isn't it?? :)
@@JonathanMilam1 it sure is mate, can't believe others weren't talking about it. keep up the great work and the videos!
If I sent you a Frumpet, would you do a video on that?
Yes, that would be very enjoyable. It's nice to do a review of a horn like that (different) and then some comparisons - like with a trumpet, comparing it to a cornet, etc. I thought I was going to get a puje a few years back but it didn't happen. Instruments that are rare and unusual - it's a pleasure to play and share. Sadly, I've had requests from players in distant lands that just wanted to hear a flugelhorn - wondering how it compared to a trumpet (which is why I've made a few vids with flugels comparing them to other brass). Thanks for asking. :)
Did you get my messages?
Greetings. Yes, I received one message and responded; I can see your message and my response in history (I sent you my address, nothing since then). I'm on the road at the moment with poor internet access - returning home later today. I'll recheck when home to be sure I'm up to date with all communication.
As a "victim" of a frumpet myself (owned one for several years), I hope you show in your video where you run out of the house screaming, and either hurl the frumpet as far as you can, or drive over it with your car, lol. I believe the frumpet was Getzen's unsuccessful attempt at either emulating a french horn bugle, or providing another alto voice in the brass line. Mellophones are much better, and flugelhorns are way better than either one.
What would a "Mellophone" be?
I’ve never played one, but I think they’re kind of like a French Horn but with piston valves. Not many of them around.
Do the trumpet coronet and flugelhorn use the same fingerings?
Yes, they do, Toby.
Maybe it’s my phone, but I can’t truly hear major differences between the instruments all that much
Seth; Greetings. I wish it were your phone but it isn't. Several of my vids came out with very low volume levels when I'm speaking. If you'll use headphones that usually works quite well. Thanks for tuning in to my channel.
Jonathan Milam No problem, love good brass players! And thanks for the tip. Sounds better this way with headphones for sure!
I think if you play either Trumpet or Cornet as your main instrument it's really very difficult to play the other instrument convincingly if you're only required to pick the up the 2nd instrument once in a while. In the UK I've heard professional orchestral trumpeters play orchestral cornet parts (eg Stravinsky, Elgar, Prokofiev, Berlioz etc ) very unconvincingly because they manage to make the cornet sound like a trumpet with no discernible difference in tone. On the other hand still in the UK I've also heard virtuosi brass band cornet players who move to the orchestral field make the same unconvincing sound in the other direction. By the way as far as pronunciation's concerned here in the UK we say cornet with the emphasis on the 1st syllable of the word. If you say Cor NET you're referring to the leather instrument with the trumpet-like mouthpiece played by specialist performers of medieval music (like the great Michael Laird).Thanks for posting : )
Excellent post! I agree with everything except the pronunciation of cornet. :) Really - a very good point about the approach of trumpet and cornet being different. Thank you for a very nice comment.
I love the cornet, but frankly, the trumpet get's it all..
The trumpet is so fun to play. :)
I play cornet
X; congrats! The cornet is a lovely instrument. I think it takes a bit more discipline than the trumpet...And it can be prettier! Keep at it - and best of luck to you!
So the flugelhorn is easier to play than the coronet ?
I played French Horn in High School, so the DEEP V mouthpiece is a bit easier for me.
I play trumpet
Well, Snaily; welcome. :) Practice makes perfect... :)
Jonathan Milam I am trying to stick with trumpet because I love it so much but eventually I would like to try flugelhorn and some other things
Good, Snaily! I play trumpet almost all the time. I hadn't had a flugelhorn in maybe two years and just picked one up. I won't play it much though; too much challenge working both instruments with the limited time I have to practice. By the way, here's a great little video by one of the best trumpeters of the 1900's; Rafael Mendez. Please watch it and tell me what you think: ruclips.net/video/gUij8FCg0z8/видео.html Notice how easily he plays - it looks so effortless. No pressure on the mouthpiece, let the wind (your breath, your air) do the work. What do you think of his playing?
Jonathan Milam I do agree that he lets the air flow through the trumpet. I’m trying to get comfortable with a mute because living with eight other people and 6 animals is hard to find time to play that nobody is sleeping and using a mute is very hard to not put pressure but I’m getting there the only thing I can do is practice I also just had a band concert there is only four trumpets in my jazz band and I was the only trumpet 3 so I kinda felt like I was playing a solo because nobody was playing trumpet 3 with me. Btw I’m in jazz, pep, concert, and marching band so I get lots of practice there
I used to play cornet but then I got a trumpet
Samantha; Congrats! :) Both the cornet and the trumper are nice but I prefer the trumpet. Now that you have one, I hope you enjoy it!