I was raised in the 50s and 60s and saw the cultural change in the church. In the mid-50s it was normal for my mother and sister to wear a simple hat to church. This was in a Protestant context. Years later I attended seminary thinking head coverings were a cultural relic of the past. However, I did a paper on 1Corinthians 11 and was shocked to realize that Paul's reasoning was not cultural at all. I presented this to my class. Needless to say, no one agreed with me, yet they could not dispute my reasoning nor Paul's reasoning. Since that time, I literally thought I was the only Protestant Evangelical who believed head coverings are commanded in Scripture. I am now heartened to see there is a revival of interest in this.
I'm happy to do my part to normalize a scarf on a woman! Glad the younger generation is joining in! Don't overthink the religious aspects, it's a simple act of respect. Respect for the Lord, as well as self respect.
Well, if you mean the Catholic church, they didn't resist it. The church wisely decided to stay out of the argument and "abrogate" the issue. So, basically, it was left to the ladies. As it should be, guys! Do we tell you what kind of underwear you should wear in church??
Thank you so much for this video! I started asking YAH about head covering a year ago and I can say now that I was ignoring His signs but it’s something that kept me uncomfortable especially when people would compliment my hair, I then decided to head cover but only when praying and realized I pray a lot more than I thought and putting the cover and taking it off all the time started to seem wrong!Later on I realized that the reason I had delayed head covering was because of vanity cause I kept trying to find a “fashionable” way to head cover but still show off my hair instead of being focused on obeying and glorifying our Heavenly Father I then repent and realized my beauty is in my obedience! To solidify all of this one day I just didn’t cover at all and when I went to sleep I had a dream that I know for sure wasn’t from YAHUAH( I am a person who are constantly receiving dreams from YAHUAH) and I realized I was uncovered! Ever since head covering was clear to me and I stopped disobeying YAHUAH! Crazy thing is now that I head cover full time I feel so much more beautiful as before I felt that I need my hair to feel beautiful, my skin glows and I get so much more revelation and understanding! This is truly a way to align with YAHUAH’s will for us!
That's awesome. Is your husband okay with it, too? My hubby really loves it. He said it puts a smile on his face. I'm 1 of 2 women who wears a head covering at church. I also wear it full time at home. 🥰 Congratulations!!
Thank you for this video! The Bible is replete with symbolism-the head covering is a lovely outward expression of the Creation Order. I’ve been covering for worship since 2015. The only one in my small reformed baptist church. ❤️ blessings from Virginia!
It's a blessing to be encouraged to wear a head covering. I always find it a bit ironic that the subjects that people insist are not important enough to care about, are often the subjects that meet the most resistance when they are encouraged to be practiced or studied in a new way.
So many people are against it that I feel scared to do it but I did it for 2 days so far. I was saved in February and I just became aware of 1st Corinthians 11 yesterday.
I have been a Christian my entire life...but I have never been taught modesty, long hair, or head coverings...and I have read the Bible cover to cover and it never triggered me to question why I wasn't taught those things. I have recently, within the last year or so, began my modest dressing journey...learning as much as I can. I have found many old family photos where the women dress modestly and they have a covering, but I just took it as fashion statements. What I would genuinely like to know now is, what is considered a head covering? When can you uncover your head, and what do I do in the privacy of my own home and when I go to bed?
@Finny_finn_finn That's a great question. There have been different ways of head covering throughout Christian history. Women in our community typically wear a cloth veil that covers most of their hair. Some women wear head coverings to bed and some don't always. The main principle we would point to is that we want to be ready to pray or prophesy at any time. Scripture doesn't give us an explanation of exactly how we should do it, but it does give us some clear principles. Hope this is helpful. -Lynn
You did such an excellent teaching. Thank you. I was studying this on my own, to not be swayed one way or the other. I wrote a list of questions, and you answered them. Thank you.
i've been researching this topic for maybe 2 months now. i read 1 Cor 11 and just read over the headcoverings because i was taught that it wasn't necessary anymore due to culture differences. However the Lord convicted me about modesty several months ago and i've since changed my entire wordrobe to glorify Him over my body. Headcovering seemed to be the next thing He was asking me to do. The excuse of culture suddenly, at the Holy Spirit's guidance, didn't make any sense to me because the Word of the Lord surpasses the changing of culture. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever! ❤ i have only recently begun headcovering, just under a week. i went to evening service a couple days ago and was nervous about it. i'm going to church tomorrow, as it is Sunday, and am nervous about it. People will start to notice and i am so concerned that i will lose friends over it, and possibly be told by an elder, "we don't do this here." Now of course, the latter situation is unlikely because my church isn't that type of church. i'm fully aware it's my flesh and the enemy spinning worse case scenario stories 😅 Nevertheless, i am worried i'll be mocked as being some religion, or be told i'm putting myself under the law in a legalistic manner, or something or other. i have never seen any woman cover their head at my church so i have nooo idea how this will go down. Anyway, thank you SO incredibly much! These videos were answers to my prayers! i asked the Lord for wisdom and guidance on how to answer when the time comes that i'm asked! Even if i lose friends or find hardship in this, i desperately want to honour the Lord, draw nearer to Him, and i know He has asked this of me. Who am i to say no to my Saviour? 🥰❤️🙌🙏
When I was a young girl, I’m now 64 years old. We were not allowed to go to church without our heads covered, I wore a hat. My gran would never go out the front door without having a scarf or a hat on. That was in the 60’s early 70’s. It might be because we’re country folk. I don’t know what it was like in the cities.
It’s about being humble before God. Our hair is our glory so we are to cover our glory before God to give God all the glory. And even when we give an answer for our faith, that too is a form of worship or prophesy or teaching.
I will admit that thinking about going out and being different covering my head again does get to me a little. I think it’s that way for most of us actually on some level. I don’t mind being different once I’m out and about - just part of me does dread it a little thinking about how I’m going about looking different before I go out or thinking about it sometimes. You feel a little of the pressure in your mind of having to be different -meaning not one of the rest of the women. Also, knowing my oldest daughter really seems as if she will never cover when she’s older and that makes me feel that out of place feeling thinking about it.
It pleases God. Im new on this walk as well but we are to obey God rather than men. Don"t worry about what others think, you don't need their approval, only God's. And we are to expect being looked at differently because we are to be set apart. God bless you.
@@PowersFamily2011 yes, this thing about Angels marrying women, is absurd and fairly new idea. The correct way to go about Genesis 6 is: Those who call upon the name of the Lord are the godly. They are the children of God. This is why the men from Seth's lineage are called the sons of God. The women were Cain s daughters, and were ungodly (earthly). Spiritually minded and earthly minded started to mingle. God is against that, as we see with the children of Israel, and from the commandments in the new testament. In the begining, Caine and the other sons of Adam lived apart, but when time passes and the population expanded, their boundaries came together. Seth's sons began to see that Cains women were beautiful (make up), and started doing what displeased the Lord, untill Cains women corrupted Seth's line. Had it not been for the flood, probably not one human would have been left uncorrupted. Satan had a plant to destroy the line from which Jesus could ultimately come. God didn't allow it. Is that satisfactory?
@ludadubinetsky7079 got it. I was mainly referring to the main premise about head coverings being correct. Thank you for the explanation. That makes much more sense.
I'm actually going to do a lesson on my Instagram about headcovering. I mentioned an etsy shop on my social media wear I buy headcovering and I had a few friends (that go to other churches) message me asking if I also cover. We talked for awhile but both other women try to hide it so they won't be judged. I myself have gotten in trouble at my church because I cover. It's really sad that as women we feel like we need to hide the fact that we cover by wearing trendy hats and not talking about it. I don't necessarily want to draw attention to it (all glory belongs to God) but I'm also not ashamed.
I actually stopped wearing my hats, which became a vast collection, because a hat isn’t making a statement in church as I think it should. I was not trying to be trendy with the hats but not being offensive to my sisters. But they know now, have pointedly asked why I was suddenly wearing a head covering, but they aren’t interested at least right now. I do feel that a veil is the more proper way to cover.
The arguments against head coverings are many. They don't agree with each other. They can be disproven. The argument for is in the scripture. After taking the time to try to disprove my call to cover this is the ultimate reasoning I have found.
I was raised “ a women must cover her head at church and when praying” tradition. I read etiquette and beauty books, now out of print and definitely was at the time (printed in the 60s and I read it in the 70s). One book said wear a headband or fold a scarf into a triangle or rectangle, and for a woman to wear it symbolizes a hat. To wear one indicates you are tidy and respectful. Wear the scarf to tell everyone you care about your hair and accessories. Wear one always to make sure any gust of wind or perspiration will not mess your hair. This advice was strange and archaic, and it was fussy. But she was right! Even now, when I watch vintage movies and see very old photos , my perception is the woman doing do, she really cares about her style and doesn’t want to have her hair in her face as she eats or rides in a car, etc. And nobody says “why are you wearing a scarf” or “why are wearing a headband?” I always wear a hair clip or a plastic or metal headband, because the message is I care about my hair even though it gets windblown. Nobody ever asked me, but it is my message. Whether I dm under the protection or direction of a man is ridiculous. Nowadays, most men don’t have anything to offer in the area or protection, or even morals.
Once I started studying & researching hair covering, it became obvious just how much womens hair is a sensual tool...for my generation it was Farrah Fawcet, her hair was a big deal, in masses women & girls had their hair cut like hers and the root reason for this happening was to be sexy like her and therefore, to attract men & boys to us luring them in through our & their sexuality.
An older relative of mine constantly told me to get a man I must grow out my hair and flip it when I am talking to them. That way to get their attention. She was married sometime in the 40s or 50s so even then this was important.
Yea, no. Every part of a woman is sensual to a man. One of the reasons certain religions make their women completely cover up. Women are not responsible for a man’s lustful thoughts.
Very thankful for this sound biblical teaching. The Lord started convicting me to start head covering the last week, so I'm trying to understand 1 Corinthians 11 as best as possible. Studying it verse by verse in greek and many translations, also tracking the early church handing down, the apostle's disciples and early church leaders... It's so clear. I started covering at home the past two days and wow, what a difference. One thing, one last thing I don't quite understand 100% is if this teaching applies to "all women" or just married ones. In my understanding (not saying that I'm right) Paul is talking about God's order, which includes marriage, but I think it applies to all humans (men or women). In greek the word for 'woman' is the same as 'wife'. But logically it seems to me to be the Godly order. Am I wrong? Tertullian has commented a lot on the head covering and as mentioned in the video, the early church practiced head covering even for the virgins. The passage is crystal clear for the wives, but what about unmarried ladies, which is my case? I'd love your feedback!
@denissaarsova5996 Good question! Tertullian makes some great arguments about this in On the Veiling of Virgins. If I recall, he points out that the reasons Paul gives for veiling apply equally well to unmarried women as well as to married women. -Lynn
I personally wear a veil, but I know several Godly ladies who I have the upmost confidence in, they don’t wear a head covering besides their natural uncut grown hair. They are convinced that is what the Bible teaches. I’m glad that Jesus knows our hearts and He still hears and answers our prayers even if a women doesn’t cover.
One can freely wear a veil if they want to but there is no obligation or commandment for any woman to wear a veil. When is says But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered they mean not covered in long hair or when it says For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn...again they mean not covered in long hair. What does not covered in long hair mean? Basically short hair. The opposite is true as well when it says Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head...they mean his head covered in long hair which is the same theme in verse 14. The problem for most is the word "cover." Please keep in mind that long hair covers a head so it fits the logic.
@90aew @Defending the Gospel Unfortunately, viewing the head covering as the hair doesn't fit the Greek of the passage. A different word is used when it refers to the hair being a covering. -Lynn
I did not hear a part about why to cover full time. The passage nearly everywhere is translated as when praying and prophesying in public worship, not personal. When I pray out running around I don’t pray aloud or if I do I’m in my car alone. I don’t see this as a need to cover. I’m still not sure I understand the reason for covering other than because Gos said so, but still say all the time to my understanding.
@Wanda Gutierrez Great question. My question would be, where does this passage say that it is only for public worship? We encourage our women to wear a head covering regularly to be ready to pray and prophesy at any time. I hope this helps. -Lynn
Oh also, it seems it was the married women who covered, but then maybe the young girls also covered in meetings. If you read where Joseph met his wife/that’s when she began to cover.
Thanks for this message! Although I agree with your position about head coverings & think everyone should practice it; I think we can sometimes major in the minor doctrines & minor in the major doctrines. We have to always seek humility, because believers can become self-righteous about the particular issue. (Other examples could be baptism or a cappella singing.) Yet at the same time, there are Christians who obey the head covering teaching & neglect, dismiss, disobey the great commission. Jesus clearly taught we have to give up our earthly lives for him & the gospel. (Mark 8:34-38) Meaning Jesus is Lord & we should be working; proclaiming the gospel; seeking & saving the lost, making disciples of Jesus. Christians have to obey All the commands Jesus gave to his apostles. (Matthew 28:18-20) Teach them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Thank you for your thoughts. Any disobedience to the King is a major, not a minor. Jesus and His apostle's teachings, especially those that are commanded, are all but minor. There are holidays and foods that Liberty has been given, but where liberty has not been given, I think it can be a major problem or a minor problem that leads to many majors. Baptism is a part of the commands in the great commission and would definitely not be a minor. Where Jesus and the apostles talk about acapella singing is a mystery to me. Baptism, on the other hand, the apostles connect it to the death and resurrection of both Jesus and his followers and to forgiveness of sins and being clothed in Jesus. I would have to think that would not be ranked with Acapella singing.
I'm sorry if I offended you in what I said. I'm not criticizing you. I love this channel & agree with most everything you teach. This channel is Amazing! I Love the content! I'm not from an Anabaptist background. We all come from different places & everyone is at a different point in understanding of the scriptures. Because I come from a different Christian background, you don't understand everything I said. If we were face-to-face it would be easier to communicate. I gave you to many side comments, which distracted you from what I was trying to say. My point was spoken by Jesus. Jesus in Matthew 23:23,24 said the same thing better than me. "Woe to you, teachers of the Law & Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--- mint, dill, and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the Law--- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel." I'm not saying this applies to you specifically. But many groups focus a lot on a certain particular doctrine. I'm just trying to say, let's apply our deepest conviction to the 'more important matters of the law.' In my opinion, the great commission is our greatest duty. 'Come, follow me,' Jesus said, 'and I will make you fishers of men.'
We are to represent the bride of Christ ultimately. That’s what it really comes down to. And the men are to represent the groom. Ultimately that’s what it’s really all about.
The only objection I've never seen answered, and I'd LOVE to see it addressed, is a subset of the "cultural" argument. Not related to the prostitution, or Greek culture of the time, or Corinthian culture of the time, with respect to head covering, but related to the change in cultural perspectives on women with short hair. Paul says (paraphrasing) "IF it's shameful for a woman to shave her head, then she should wear a covering". Well back then it was shameful for a woman to have short hair, but today it's not. It's trendy, popular, chic, etc. Now... perhaps we should question (and not support) the reasons why it has become a non-issue for women to wear their hair short, but that doesn't itself fully address the challenge. One could say to Paul - well, it's not shameful for a woman to shave her head, so I guess she doesn't need to cover her head. Or indeed, they might say fine, Paul, I don't feel like covering my head, so I guess I'll just go ahead and cut off my hair. No biggie. I think the answer to this challenge lies in the fact that the short hair/shame = need to cover argument is used by Paul as an illustration to support his argument, but it's not the primary reason why one should cover their hair. I think the primary reason is given up front, with the order of creation, although why this order of creation necessitates covering is still somewhat unclear to me... but I think it becomes more clear when we focus on the fact that short hair = shame is used as an illustration to show us how a woman should feel with her head uncovered. Cutting off hair is like making a woman a man; it's brazen, a denial and rejection of nature and an attempted usurpation of another role. So it seems that Paul is trying to tell women that going around with their head uncovered is equally brazen, or similarly a rejection of nature - it's a bid for false "freedom". Those are just the few thoughts I've had, but I'd love to see this angle discussed more, by smarter people than me who have studied this more in depth. Because I think this is the only potentially valid "cultural" argument I've heard, but I never hear this talked about in discussions that support head covering today.
@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Thanks, I appreciate your detailed response. I agree with you that long hair is a covering (indeed, Paul says so in this passage) but I also think Paul is talking about two types of covering. The long hair is a woman's glory, given to her by God for a covering, but this glory is to be covered by the woman with some sort of cloth while praying and prophesying. Despite this slight difference in opinion of interpretation, your comments have given me good food for reflection. If I understand correctly, one of your points is that Paul is instructing that nature (which would be God, as the creator of the order of nature) tells us that women should wear their hair long - which means that the cultural shift in opinions about short hair for women is itself wrong. In other words, IF you were to agree with my interpretation on two types of coverings, Paul is saying it is shameful for a woman not to wear a head covering, AND it is shameful for her to cut off her hair (regardless of culture). I think your question about why a fabric veil just "looks right" when we picture a woman praying is a really interesting one. I'm sure some people would respond that we've been conditioned to that by historical images of veiled women. But I don't think that's right - I think you're onto something - there's something inherently "natural" about a woman wearing a veil while praying, just as there's something inherently "natural" about a woman having long hair.
@Courtney Therien Very good thoughts, Courtney. I would agree with you that, because Paul used multiple reasons that weren't cultural, the culture argument doesn't work. Another problem is that Paul considers this a "tradition." If you look at the usage of that word in the NT, it indicates teachings, in this case apostolic teachings. Since the apostles were teaching it, and every church practiced it, it couldn't be a cultural thing. I'll make a note of your comment, because sometime I want to cover this topic, and it's a very good question. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Thanks Lynn - I appreciate your response, and for your stepping in to mediate with the other commenter. One thing I didn't mention in my original post, because it's entirely personal experience (not rooted specifically in Scripture), is that I've struggled off and on for years with feeling convicted about head covering, and I've noticed that the times I feel the conviction (after a period of ignoring it) is often shortly after I've cut my hair quite short. This is one of the reasons I raised this particular "cultural" question - women today think it's fine to cut their hair short, and/so they also think there's no need to cover their head. Yet it seems as though God uses my "shorn" head to bring my attention back to this church tradition. If you do discuss this in another talk, I definitely look forward to hearing it!
@Courtney Therien Thanks for sharing your experience! I've heard multiple women express that same sense. They feel like head covering is the right thing to do, even though they've always been taught otherwise. God bless you as you seek to follow the New Testament faith. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel in the KJV it says it's an ordinance. Because the KJV writters understood that in the context of Paul's giving this they use ordinance. It's something that was to be done by all churches for all times.
I loved this! Thank you for coving this issue. Great work! I do have a genuine question....So, if a Christian couple decides to wear wedding rings because they have prayed and talked and think this is a wise thing in our culture to show marital commitment. Because they are in covenant as Christians. Would you rebuke them?
@Hailey Lindberg Great question. So far as I know, we don't believe wedding rings to be wrong. We encourage Christians not to dress in order to show social status and not to ornament ourselves with expensive things. We choose not to wear wedding rings for this reason, but we wouldn't judge those who do, because that's not necessarily the only reason people would wear them. Does that make sense? -Lynn
I believe it's 3 fold. A setting apart to indicate we are our Father's to the Father's army of angels to observe us in obedience to Him, to be a symbol of position and authority we have to the fallen angels, and a covering of humility to honor our brothers from the temptation of the lust the enemy would entice them with, as well as covetousness by other women if we have been blessed with hair appealing to other women who may be displeased with their own. I only add the latter statement because I have been blessed with long healthy thick gray hair. Before I was prompted to study and obey the teaching of head covering, I was chronically being complemented by other women in the church I attended about my hair. It got uncomfortable and embarrassing to have that attention put upon me when all our attention should be upon our Father and KIng. I cover because my Father will not share His glory with another. Rather, I consider my head covering my gift much like a crown from my Father given in His order and authority for me, knowing I am covered by Him and in all the ways that implies through the Scriptures.
Not sure where I stand on this as a woman and representstive of God but I'm curious. I do want to do what is right I wonder if this tradition does have something to do with the nephalim as there is nothing mentioned in Genesis about a woman being born with head covering or that being part of the curse specifically.
At what ages do you cover your daughters? From birth? 1 Corinthians 11 is speaking to husbands and wives only? Thank you for this. I have been wearing a head covering but only at church. I would like to understand more and this series is helping so much! Praise the Lord.
@thegreergirl There's some variation in practice here. In our church, many girls wait until they are ready to become Christians to start covering. However, some start younger. Some Anabaptist churches veil their daughters when they're maybe eight or so. There don't seem to be any indications in 1 Cor 11 that it is speaking only of husbands and wives. There seem to have been people in the early church practicing both ways, but the writers who talked about it seemed to all be on the side of veiling before marriage as well. I hope this helps. -Lynn
Is there a reason why the women don't cover the front part of their hair? Im furious to know, please. Some cpver only half the head.nwhy dont they cover the entire head from the hairline? Thanks
I like to cover my hairline. But here's some thoughts: -It's really hard for it not to slip. -If one shaves her head, an inch or so would be permissible to be seen by men. Why not show an inch anyways? -Some ladies prefer it for style! Those are a few ideas since you are interested in knowing.
At the 31:55 you say it's terrifying to imagine demons or bad angels lusting after women who are uncovered, but what about when women have to shower or when they're intimate with their husband, won't bad angels lust after them even more so? So if its a terrifying thought for a woman to have her hair uncovered how much more terrifying is it for when they shower or get dressed. My wife and I accept what scripture says about head coverings, but we don't think it has anything to do with bad angels lusting after them.
I have an important questions, I hope some omne can respond to. I am 54 years old and unmarried. Because I am unmarried and my father is not my head anymmore, I think of myself as directly in submission to Jesus Christ, therefore, do I need to wear a head covering or is it only for women or girls under the authority of their husbands or fathers?
@narrowway4626 Thank you for the question. It doesn't seem that Paul makes a distinction of this kind in 1 Cor 11. It appears the veil is for all women, even though Paul uses the headship order to demonstrate its importance. Hope this is helpful. -Lynn
2 Corinthians 10:7 “Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.”
@R Toguidver We're not here to judge. We're just seeking to obey God, so that when we stand before him, we can be justified rather than condemned. We want the same for you. -Lynn
Thanks for this powerful video Bro. Daniel! Would you be able to let me know the year the first commentary that came out that falsely claimed that the "long hair" was the sole covering spoken of in 1 Corinthians 11? This would be helpful information to debunk that false position.
@FA We rarely ban people from commenting on this channel, because we want to be able to have constructive conversations with people on Scriptural topics. However, sometimes we do ban people for exactly that reason--they're making it difficult to have constructive conversations. We're banning you, not because we aren't willing for you to share your opinion (we are very willing to hear it), but because you're trying very hard to proselytize commenters on this channel to your point of view. Unfortunately, your view is not supported by Scripture or history, so when you post it constantly under the comments of Christians who are trying to seek the original Christian faith, it is not helpful to them. You made some very valid critiques of how some churches practice the head covering, and I hope that those churches will take note of such critiques. However, I regret to say that you'll need to post them elsewhere. God bless you, @FA, and I hope you can find a group of people to fellowship with who are not hypocritical and who follow the Bible entirely. - Lynn
@Jerry Dean Garber This is a very good question. Here's how we'd reply: The word katakalypto, which is the word used for "to cover" throughout the passage, does not mean hair. In the verse where Paul says that a woman's hair is a covering, he uses a completely different word, peribolaion. If Paul meant to say that a woman's hair performs the function of katakalypto, then why does he say that it's a peribolaion? I am aware of no evidence whatsoever that katakalypto can mean long hair in Greek. There's a reason why all reputable Bible translations translate it "cover." A thoughtful Evangelical has covered this view. I recommend this video by Mike Winger: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html I don't agree with quite everything about his view, but he shows clearly what katakalypto means. The early Christians, native speakers of Koine Greek who grew up steeped in the teachings of the apostles, just a few decades or a few hundred years after the apostles taught, considered it a cloth covering If we aren't convinced yet, Paul says that all the churches had the practice/tradition that he was talking about. So we can look at what the early church was doing, to see what Paul was talking about. The early church taught that women should wear head coverings--that was the practice that all the churches were doing: ruclips.net/video/oflUWLFXyfI/видео.html Hope this helps -Lynn
Im not saying its wrong in the interpretation of verse 16 as you and others state, "no other churches are being continuous, so you shouldn't be. " my paraphrasing of course. I don't see Paul telling them not to be continuous because no other church is, i see Paul making them do some self examination. Its kinda like when Jesus was telling his disciples that one of them was going to betray him, then they started asking, "Is it me Lord, am i the one?" We must remember that one of the main reasons Paul wrote this letter is because the church in Corinthian was being continuous! We see that in the first chapter. Therefore by him pointing out that some seem to be continuous it caused them to do some self examination. "Is it me Paul, am i the one being continuous?" Furthermore if they want to continue being continuous about this then it doesn't matter then we don't have any such custom. Just disregard everything I said and it doesn't matter. Paul was getting to the heart of the matter. Just my thoughts on that verse.
Wondering if it’s something God honors ( Headcovering) there are quite a few very sincere Christian women even here in USA. Why aren’t more getting the same “ message” that they need to cover ( at least during prayer, etc). Wouldn’t more true believers be embracing this?
I appreciate you discussion of this topic but would like to challenge some of what you are saying Chrysostom withstanding, it does seem clear that Paul is tying the covering to praying and or prophesying (cf. vv. 5 and 13). If the veil were to be worn at all times, would not Paul had clearly stated so? One would think that he would have said something like, "Every woman with he head uncovered dishonoureth her head.". I don't know why Paul would say in verse 15 that, ". . . her hair is given her for a covering." if the covering is not hair. I actually think that the preceding verses can be interpreted with hair being the covering, given that the Greek words indicate something thrown around. A woman could have short hair but not be shaven in which case Paul would be saying that she might just as well be shorn given that both are inappropriate. I would be very careful to not tie something like a hair covering to salvation; this is creating a works based salvation.
@Scott Palmer Great points. The reason we'd encourage our sisters to wear their head coverings when in public is that we want them to be ready to pray/prophesy anytime. Also, that seems to have been the practice of the early church. The interpretation that Paul is talking about hair is a recent interpretation that has a lot of problems. One is that Paul uses a different Greek word when calling hair a "covering." We have a bit of a different perspective on things that might not be salvation issues. We believe that it's a problem when Christians disobey Scripture because they (rightly or wrongly) believe that the specific command won't lose them their salvation. That seems too much like a husband flirting with other women because he knows that it won't cause his wife to divorce him, and only refraining from actual adultery because he knows that she would divorce him because of that. It's an attitude that we don't want to encourage. God bless. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel I don't know anyone who disobeys God because they believe that they cannot lose their salvation but even as believers we sin and are capable of sinning.
@@scottpalmer829 You're right that we do all fall at times. However, just remember that I was saying that in context of obeying a biblical command. Any rationale for disobeying a biblical command seems a bit concerning, as I'm sure you agree. -Lynn
I am new to headcoverings and their application. Is it necessary for women to have their headcovered at all times? Examples I'm thinking of are the beach or maybe while sleeping. I know it says when praying but I pray alot if I wake up at night( we have two young children). Any thoughts would be gladly welcomed, thank you! May God bless!
@blueberry Great question. We encourage our women to cover their heads as much as possible, so that they can pray anytime. Many women wear coverings that they can keep on at night, but others have a covering handy to put on if they were to wake up. We also don't change our dress styles significantly to go to the beach, so that question doesn't affect us. -Lynn
@878 4436 You are welcome to practice as you wish. However, we would like to practice according to what seems the most straightforward reading of Scripture, especially since that reading was considered correct by those who followed after the apostles. You should know that your interpretation is a modern one. Just to note a few things: - The OT priests were not under the New Testament. We now worship God "in spirit and in truth" rather than by the old law. - God doesn't condemn anyone for circumstances outside of their control. Jesus was forced to wear the crown of thorns. - There are circumstances when it is perfectly legitimate for a woman not to wear a head covering. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't wear it when praying or prophesying. - A head covering is no more an idol than clothing is. - 'If “covering” really meant a veil then one would have to explain why anyone would possibly come up with a judgment that a woman praying or prophesying WITHOUT A FABRIC VEIL ON THEIR HEAD WOULD LOGICALLY OR NATURALLY LOOK WRONG? Someone needs to explain this logically. Be honest, does looking at someone doing this naturally create a thought that a veil is missing?' - Most cultures through history would have felt that a woman not wearing a head covering was missing something. So do many women today who feel the need to cover their heads. It's only modern Western Christianity that has tried to change that. God bless, -Lynn
Where can we find the chrysostom quotes about it being for all of the time vs prayer? Thanks for these videos BTW, my husband and I are graduates from a sister college of yours and really resonated with your story.
It is in John Chrysostom's commentary on 1 Corinthians 11. I read it in my kindle version of the Post Nicene Fathers set but I also just found it for free in the link below. biblehub.com/commentaries/chrysostom/1_corinthians/11.htm
@@SoundFaithChannel hello brother (David?), I would say it is for prayer and prophesy only, but can be used all the time also, since men also are allowed to wear hats, yet it is commanded that they pray uncovered
So what’s the point of hair if it’s covered all the time???? Seriously 😒 Like I get covering for prayer but all the time still doesn’t make sense to me.
@chaye We practice the head covering when praying or prophesying. Also in public, because we want to be ready to pray at any time. That doesn't mean that the hair is covered all the time, though it is covered most of the time. -Lynn
@FA Before making such accusations, you might want to check into our actual beliefs and culture. Clearly, you aren't familiar with either of them. We're trying to live in accordance with Scripture and the faith historically believed by the followers of the apostles. If you have the same wish, you might consider listening to our messages with an open mind. -Lynn
@FA There is a lot of variation among different Mennonite and Anabaptist churches. You're welcome to respond to the positions our ministry actually promotes. If you're more interested in responding to other groups instead, feel free to do that on their platforms. If you insist on respond to them here instead of responding to us, we'll need to block your comments. -Lynn
Wow what is happening here? what is with this threat of blocking comments? FA made several good point that no one here seems to want to prove wrong. Nice "Christian" responses here.
@MLK Unfortunately, we don't have the time to respond to everyone. If you're looking for responses, I recommend this video (we wouldn't agree with everything in it, but it's very well thought out): ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html I would hardly think that you'd feel we would need to respond to FA's attacks on Christian groups that we're entirely unaffiliated with. Or that we would be glad to allow people to attack other Christians in the comments section on our channel. -Lynn
Great Preaching thank you your info will help me share with my sisters as to why! Also, i assume sleep counts as well? What about romantic times? Thank you for the insight!
@Bonkusgrl Good questions. Here are my own opinions. Since one isn't likely to be praying while sleeping, and since one usually sleeps in private, it wouldn't be as big a deal to wear it while sleeping, but it still might be a good idea. Also, Paul writes that woman is the glory of man and that her hair is her glory, so I believe that romantic times are a time when it's appropriate not to wear one. However, you should definitely be careful to follow your conscience. God bless. -Lynn
Hello Brother, I agree with your teaching, but there are on group that takes the head coverings series, and these are the Amish and meno items, who wearing hc for hundreds of years
We don’t need to do the foot washing. That was because they walked in sandals and dirt for one. For two, it was symbolic of serving one another. It is serving one another that is commanded.
Paul definitely said there was no debate about headcovering in the churches, nor did he say that it was his idea, but that it was commanded in all the churches. Paul also said that all scripture was inspired by God, 2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works, And again Paul wrote that we all will appear before the judgment seat of Christ to give account. 2Co 5:10 KJV For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. And lastly, Jesus told us how we will be judged, saying. Joh 12:48 KJV He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. With this in mind, I would rather err by obeying the Bible than to be found disobeying the Word.
Excellent message brother. But on the point of hair being the glory of the women and therefore its her covering instead of an actual vailing. I would say yes it is her her glory covering given her by God, but because she is under her husband her glory(her hair) must be covered so that her glory does not impose on the glory of man, who is to be her glory!
Evening, I am a young adult and ever since I have read about head covering and more, it has been a month or so since I have been reflecting on starting to veil myself for many biblical reasons, some of them being: Signs from the Lord as well as constantly dreaming and thinking about the veil And being able to see how the veil protects more my femininity and dignity as well as the benefits and that it brings me closer to God. As well as for a modest habit to develop more. I want to do what is right but I simply believe that I am not ready to veil all the time but want to start veiling during prayers and anything religious related that includes men being present. I was wondering; Should I feel ashamed of not covering my hair at all times ? It seems like God doesn't want me to overthink this Can I pray unveiled when I am alone with Christ ? Does the Lord want women to veil in public with fellow brothers/sisters or with the congregation as well as alone with him (or is that on another perspective to learn about) as well as how can I introduce myself to the concept veiling and how is it possible for one to have motivation knowing that almost no one veils around them. and what scriptures could possibly be related to veiling? thank you to whoever is able to answer me I do understand that I have many questions listed in one comment and God bless y'all
@bannanegirl4267 Thanks for the comment! We do think that it's good to wear a veil at all times, so that one can always be ready to pray and prophesy. However, I personally don't believe that one needs to--I just think it's a good idea. I don't have a complete answer to the question of praying unveiled when alone, but I know that my wife feels more comfortable praying with a veiling, even when alone. I think it's that it feels more in line with God's wishes, and feels more protected to her. Also, 1 Cor 11 doesn't specify that it's only when with other people are present. Note that Paul says, "because of the angels," and though no one is quite sure what he meant, that would seem to apply even when we're alone. I can believe that it's difficult to veil when no one else around you is doing it. If you trust God and obey him, he will support you in that. I would also recommend trying as much as possible not to seem like you are judging anyone else for not wearing it. Often people feel judged whenever they see someone wearing a veiling and they aren't, and we can't really help that. However, we can do our best not to act "holier than thou" about our choice of obedience to Jesus and the apostles. I hope this is helpful, God bless! -Lynn
Hi there! I'm a young adult (21). I started veiling at 19. I really like Lynn's response and thought I'd give you some encouragement in regards to headcovering in public. The first few weeks are hard because of self-consciousness and family/friends' opinions. After a while, it's just normal like putting on clothes. You'll likely never feel ready. Starting with a beanie is easier. I highly reccomend Scarf Bar pretieds or buy their square coverings with a velvet head wrap (my fav). Find a way to own it!
I will preface this statement first with saying that being submissive to your husband is to give glory to God. Personally, I would seek a scriptural basis that would allow or disallow your husband to determine if you follow the convictions you have from the Lord. I don’t believe it is wise to disregard scriptural teachings in light of being submissive to your head. Thus, I say to seek guidance from scripture and the counsel of Godly teachers to inform your decision in moving forward. May God give you wisdom on your journey 🙏
I where no 2 weeks head coffering. And I am the only wan in y Church. And the only Christian in the region. And the only wan in my famely. And in my country there are a los of immigrants from moslims country. And most people are sik and tyerd of the moslims. And in Iran the wonen Who died for taken of her had coffering. So nobody understands me. But I whil where my had coffering. For the Lord.
In 1st cor. 11 it also says because of the angels...did we have angels then?...do we have angels now?...yes we did have angels and do have angels now....Paul says because of the angels not absolute as to why but it does tell me that women's head covering is not cultural and still for today
@chaye We don't know whether God gave Eve a veil or not. This was a Christian teaching that all the apostolic churches practiced, however. @FA We've interpreted 1 Cor 11 as Christians have throughout history up until about a hundred years ago. -Lynn
@FA If you're interested in engaging respectfully with the position that we actually hold, we welcome your thoughts and even disagreement. If not, we'll need to block your comments. -Lynn
Good question. It would seem that it was not necessary. The arguments about wearing a veil (for Christians) is something that happened after the Bible was written when people started making up a whole host of denominations the doctrines of which have past on for years.
There's nothing disrespectful in F a's response. You might need to watch out for spiritual pride. I am familiar with 1st Corinthians 11. Since you didn't understand 1st Corinthians at 11:15. Nowhere it mentions the word veil except for to explain that the hair was giving instead of a veil. It seems that you care a lot about "respecting" what people believe instead of what God says. Are we supposed to take a shower with a veil? Are we forbidden to pray while taking a shower? Obviously not. Only legalism would make you think that way. May God liberate you with the Holy Ghost.
@ElkeMiller We certainly don't think that God requires us to do what we are unable to do. That should be a given in any discussion. For example, see 1 Cor 7:3: "The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband." Of course if spouses are/become incapable of this, they aren't judged for not doing it. God is constantly remembering that we are dust and taking pity on us. -Lynn
Did the early writings outside of the NT, teach/show the church practiced literal feet washings? I imagine they did. Personally, I've participated in this a few times, but it has never been something I or the group I'm part of, does on a regular basis. To me feet washing was an important practice in ancient times. I'm sure, with opportunities readily available. But that's not the way it is in 2020. So the way I mostly apply this teaching, is being a servant to my brothers & sisters. (John 13:1, 34 & 35) Loving other disciples of Jesus, the way Jesus loved his disciples; showing/demonstrating the full extent of our love for each other. (Gal 6:10, Heb 6:10 & Mt 25:40)
iF someone were saved ( and always saved) it would seem to me that if they were TRULY a Christian, they would WANT TO obey God and please Him. No say that because they are aved ( and always saved) that they can continue to be as unholy as they wish.
I've been praying and I think I am going to start covering for worship on the Lord's day. I have a lot of fear and things holding me back. Thinking that maybe I'm wrong about the head covering and I also get so wrapped up in it it's all I focus on I can't even think about the Lord it seems to take up all my head space. Struggling a bit. On my husband's account *
H"And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a veil, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face." (GENESIS 38:14&15) "And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood." GEN38:19) HERE IT SEEMS THAT PROSTITUTES DID INDEED WEAR A VAIL. ADAM CLARK GOT THE IDEA THAT PROSTITUTES DID NOT WEAR HEAD COVERINGS?
@peter_waldo3715 This is talking about a very different culture, from thousands of years before Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. Also, it appears the point for Tamar was to cover her face, not just her hair, so this looks like a different application. Does that make sense? -Lynn
to assume the “sons of God” were fallen angels, is a complete contradiction. and if you read genesis chapters 1-6, it has no mention of angels. it only speaks of men populating the earth. the sons of God were people like Adam, Noah, Enoch, etc. those who lived 800 years or more. to believe demons mated with humans or spirit mated with flesh and made a soul, which is created only under Gods order, is a demonic belief. unfortunately, i see this belief being spread all too often.
I don't thinknit makes sense that God built women beautiful but then expected them to be covered even though they were born naked. This has to be linked to the curse in the garden of eden if it's true
Only 2 minutes into this exciting topic about tradition and history and Bible verses to illuminate. However, not accurate that head coverings (such as veils and sometimes hats to substitute for veils) are completely absent from the meetings of Christians to worship. A few women still wear veils in Roman Catholic Church, and it is a sign of following tradition, but I’m too shy to ask why they do this.
It has been the traditional interpretation of the Roman Catholic church for men to be bareheaded, and the women to be covered. From 1917 [Roman Catholic] code of canon law, Canon 1262 "Men, in a church or outside a church, while they are assisting at sacred rites, shall be bare-headed, unless the approved mores of the people or peculiar circumstances determine otherwise; women, however, shall have a covered head and be modestly dressed, especially when they approach the table of the Lord."
Women in the Eastern Orthodox Christian churches wear veils or headscarves. The Amish and Mennonites wear bonnets. The Episcopalians wear hats or did til the 1970’s or so. Traditional Black church ladies wear hats they refer to as “crowns” and are quite elaborate! Ladies in the Catholic tradition wear what are referred to as chapel veils. Outside church they would wear the hat style of the day. So they differentiated between the church head covering, the chapel veil, and the daily head cover, which was a stylish hat.
It’s about public prayer. Start at the beginning again. It’s not about private prayer. He hasn’t seen the women praying in their innermost rooms. It talks about praying in connection to prophesying. It’s talking about in public. Now I will give you this, that we are to always be ready with an answer for our faith-which would then require our heads to be covered-in public with people other than our husbands and children.
"It’s about public prayer. Start at the beginning again. It’s not about private prayer" Incorrect. If you are merely doing it in public, to be seen by men, you are a hypocrite. See Matthew 6. Harsh words, you may say, but it is truth. Also considering the fact that women must be silent in church. Meaning, prayer is a private thing too. And there the head must be covered. Not for men's sake, but God's sake. Does that make sense?
Brother, if you would like to learn Greek I would recommend the Beginning with New Testament Greek grammar and you can find lectures for it online for free. Knowing the words and the tense forms you are highlighting would be very beneficial for your exegesis and your people. God bless!
Some women like to wear a headband, cap, hat or even a hair tie that contains the Ten Commandments in order to obey Deut. 6:8-9. Because it says it is for the children and not just men or women. It normally doesn't cover all the hair as Paul describes. Those coverings have come to be known as the armour of God. There are eight pieces that many are seaching for. There is the head, both hands, the belt, breastplate, heart and feet. Exactly what are they, what do they contain? Jesus tells us that if we love Him to keep His words for they are spirit and they are life, Maybe that is the spirit we are to walk in. We just need more work and workers. God grafted Christians into Israel so the O.T. wasn't just given to the Jews but Christian as well. Those commands God gives to His children is for all who believes in Jesus. The O.T. is our school master just as the Prophets and N.T.. ALL scripture is inspired. If the head of woman is the man, then why isn't the man's head covered?
@godswarriors7543 You're right that God grafted us Christians into Israel, but he also made a large paradigm shift in doing so. Here's a video where we talk about the purpose of the Old Testament Law under Christ: ruclips.net/video/vPwF4PO1x2Q/видео.html -Lynn
At the 21:00 you started tap dancing. It said if her head is uncovered, she might as well shave it. Uncovered meant she cut it short like a man, and then he says you might as well shave it. Also, if it was a dishonor to cover ones head, why did God command Aaron and his sons the priest to cover their heads? Hmm, hmmm. So Aaron has his bonnet on God still consider him Uncovered, but what if Aaron grew his hair? Then he would be covered. Only a Nazrite could grow his hair so that way people knew his commitment. Also, Rebecca was out with the men and the servants and maidens in the field, and until she saw her fiance coming, then she covered up Strang, huh????? Stop putting laws on people we are Gentiles no more jew or gentile doesn't nature teach this. So if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor, and he's covered. All of a sudden, it switches for the woman to now have long hair and also keep it covered. It sounds like man interfering as usual to control them and actually can't tell the difference between a muslim and christian, but the long flowing hair helps so much. You can hide short hair all you want, but you can not hide the glory of a woman's long hair. This is the only scripture use, and it says straight out. If he wanted woman hair covered, he would have told Eve the first woman, but why do that when God already provided the Covering.....
Who taught that. Paul said cover and covering never said they should put a veil on. In fact only MARRIED woman and widows was ever mention to wear veils due to marriage. Unmarried woman didn't wear a covering they where not obligated because they had no husband as the head. Does a woman not pray in the shower? At war can a soldier not pray if he has a helmet on. Does he rush to take it off before praying. What if in a dust storm shall a man uncover his head before praying make it make sense? In that same scripture Paul states a man that has long hair is dishonoring and a woman that have long hair is her covering how in the world do neglect that. Paul also stated once you put laws on yourself what does it profit you but now it becomes sin to you if not followed. Some eat pork some honor the sabbath on Wednesday some on Sunday its not what goes in or what you wear as in fabrics but must be done in modesty but not cutting of the hair,was always been a Command from God from the beginning for cover and uncovered. Last question when was that law put in what type of covering how big what color what material any kind of covering can it be a pumpkin I'm being serious???? If one is to say this is a salvation issue then you better have your ducks in a row because blood will be on your hands. I'm not blind to the fact you can say covering means a cloth but in the very scripture he uses HAIR has covering also God called hair the covering. Give me a one scripture that says to cover your head with a cloth of some sort before this one. Why at the ACTUAL END of Paul's ministry and in that scripture never said veil when oblivious it been used before in the word of God?
@@michaelramirez7096 - The word Paul uses is a Greek word meaning cloth covering. - The early Christians, who knew Greek as their native language, interpretet Paul's words as meaning a cloth covering. The word Paul uses of the hair is a different Greek word. No one until very recently interpreted Paul as saying that womens' hair is the only covering they need. - The passage doesn't say that only married women wore a covering. Besides, if you're saying that it's only married women, then you're admitting that it's a cloth covering. - Paul never says that a woman can't ever remove her covering for any reason or that a man can't ever wear a hat for any reason. - Just because it isn't stipulated exactly how the covering should be worn doesn't mean that Paul wasn't talking about coverings. That's a non sequitur.
@@lynnmmartin Wow not even going to attempt any of the questions. Just its in Greek and the interpretation route. Please answer this when was it put in law? And who put it? And if it's Paul just say it was Paul the one who finally stated it as God's Law.
@@lynnmmartin Exodus 28:4 “And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.”Exodus 28:43 “And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.” I would say a man wear a covering cloth would be more of a argument for but you seem to pick and choose 😉 Why did God command the royal priesthood to cover their heads aren't we the royal priesthood now is this a statue forever?
I agree it isn't up for debate a woman should have their head covered but covered in long hair. The topic is LONG hair not a fabricated object. Simple end of story.
@@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657 Clearly you have a problem reading the scriptures. According to those who believe women ought to wear veils this verse implies that a woman’s uncovered head is someone who does not wear a veil. That they are wrong for failing to wear it and assumes that such a person already has long hair. Therefore, the conclusion is that it must be referring to an “additional” covering. Another conclusion is that a woman ought to be covered ONLY when praying and prophesying then it would seem as though it is something that can be placed on or taken off like a veil. A typical question from those who are against “the covering” having more to do with hair is usually something like this: “If a woman ONLY needs to cover during prophecy or prayer, then how can a woman take off her hair and then put it back on?” The logical response to this is: Where did they read the word: "Only?” Also why assume that people are interpreting the word “covered” to mean hair and not LONG hair? (A topic for a later discussion.) I think this is probably one of the most misunderstood verses in my opinion because many of those who desperately preach on this topic assume that the Bible refers to “exclusive conditions” instead of viewing it as simply two examples being given. Evidence can be seen in verse 13 as it only mentions the word “praying.” So what happened to “prophesying?” Why is it missing? Well, because the idea of having a woman’s head covered was not meant to be understood as under two exclusive conditions, but were meant to be seen as examples. If there where really only two exclusive moments then one should have no problem if an “unveiled” woman speaks in tongues, interprets tongues, heals the sick, casts out devils, etc., right? Following such logic then it stands to reason that the other instances that I mentioned should be ok WITHOUT a veil, right? Now if those who claim exclusivity say NO, then they should admit that it is NOT under such conditions but that there may be more; thereby making the argument that the covering is removable based on two conditions, to be moot. Also, please keep in mind that the word “veil” is not actually mentioned here, neither anything that IMPLICITLY states that the covering is something can be placed on or taken off. People ASSUME this because they are misreading that verse. Also, as a side note I think it is interesting to note that being uncovered DOES NOT prevent a woman from prophesying, clearly a supernatural event. So what can we say about this? Just that Paul was giving us a couple of examples of how doing something HOLY or GODLY does not look right if she is uncovered, in other words not covered in long hair. Its as SIMPLE as that.
@@defendingthegospel721 "Another conclusion is that a woman ought to be covered ONLY when praying and prophesying then it would seem as though it is something that can be placed on or taken off like a veil." Very correct. Thank you for confirming my point
There's alot of sense in that man's question. Also,am a person who has dont a thorough Bible study am really not convinced at all,i mean its few verses that are very clear n people make a mountain out of it,we tend to complicate our lives sooo much then live complaining about it,for instance lets asume paul was talking about a material on top of the long hair which is a glory for a woman n is given for a covering,lets ignore that n asume its a material or a clothing,still you went as far as claiming that it insinuate that women should cover all the time while the verse is very specific WHEN PROPHECING,MANY wonen from where i come from likes shaving,its another style or fashion,they usually put a clothing on their heads when going to church,am an african so i got dreadlocks on my head which is natural African long hair permanently put together or twisted,i dont add a clothing on to cover my hair as my head is already covered,i also dont use BIBLE commentaries as I've come through few that explained the Bible completely out of context far from what i see in the scriptures and i perceive it as other people's understanding of the scriptures so i choose to rely on the Holy spirit instead of understanding the Bible in someone's point of view. Also,alot of tradition that had nothing to do with religion covered as that was the defination of being modest in those days n some still cover although they dont follow a certain religion,our great grandmothers covered too and so did the with doctors who usually use a black or a white covering. Also,the jews used to covers n still do although the Torah doesn't command though its their tradition in their other sources and when i look at the story of Jesus,i see that those sources were still there in those days as people questioned why his disciples weren't following thise traditions n Jesus reffered to them as the traiditons of men,am not typing as i confirm from the scriptures so one can point out anything i typed that may not be so
Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonour to him? How long is long hair? Did Jesus had long hair? What abt Samson? If yes, why was it not a dishonor? Didn't they go against the nature? When the Jewish men cover their head during prayer, is it also a dishonour? Can't women talk to God while bathing?
1 cor 11;16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. it was the tradition and custon and culture of those times. nothing else in 1 pet 3 we read about women coming to the church meetings with plaited hair so women did not cover the hair. thirdly, the Bible says that everything has to be gounded on at least TWO witnesses. there is only ONE place in the Bible where you read about the head covering and that is also not very clear since we read in the very passage that the hair of women is their covering. in the new testament we dont follow the traditions of old. we follow Lord Yeshu who set us free from the external things. now the reality is Christ Himself. not the things on the outside those who wear head coverings rely on the Flesh which is SIN and that is the WRONG REBELLION... thats bondage to sin...
@aikozoe6598 Paul says that they don't have a custom of contending with this truth. But the head covering itself is a "tradition" (v2). As we see in 2 Thes 2:15, a Christian tradition was not simply a culture of the day, but was something handed down from the apostles for all Christians to follow. It is easy to have braided hair showing out from under a covering; people do it all the time. Those who wear head coverings are following the commands of those who learned at Jesus's feet and whom he authorized to publish his word to the whole world. -Lynn
I know I post this every time, but the research of Troy Martin needs to be considered in any modern discussion of this issue. His article, Paul's Argument from Nature for the Veil in 1 Corinthians 11:13-15: A Testicle Instead of a Head Covering (Troy W. Martin, Journal of Biblical Literarure, Vol. 123, No 1, 2004, pp. 75 - 84) is highly informative of the historical context in which Paul was writing. I think it is wonderful that this congregation believes strongly in applying scripture to their everyday lives, including wearing a head covering. This is an act of faith that should be celebrated, but I believe it is an optional act not a command of God.
Basically Troy Martin from Xavier University suggests that περιβολαίου in 1 Corinthians 11:15 that is usually translated as "covering" should instead be translated as "testicle". As always, it is best to do a thorough study of interpretation thru church history. Has anyone, especially native koine Greek speakers, come to the same conclusion? (No) Within this video, several early church leaders have given their interpretation. Are they all wrong, and Troy is right? If you will only be convinced with 21st century academics, I would refer to Dr. Mark Goodacre from Duke university who writes about Troy Martin's unique translation in verse 15. In Journal of Biblical literature, (same publication that you referenced), in article "Does περιβολαιιν mean 'testicle' in 1 Corinthians 11:15?" in volume 130, June 2011, Dr Goodacre writes "Unfortunately for Martin's argument, the lexical case is weak. He offers only two texts to illustrate that the word was used in this way." It should be noted that there are thousands of Greek texts, and Troy only cites 2 instances of this. The gloss of "testicle" for the word "περιβολαιον" is so rare or unique that no Greek lexicons I could find that that as an option. All of them (LSJ, Thayer, Strong's) had something like "that which is thrown around, a covering, a wrapper, mantle, veil, cloak". Can you find ANYONE else who suggests the same translation as Troy Martin?
@@veritas399 Please continue your exploration of this topic by reading Martin's response to Goodacre (Περιβόλαιον as “Testicle” in 1 Corinthians 11:15: A Response to Mark Goodacre, Troy W. Martin, Journal of Biblical Literarure, Vol. 132, No. 2, 2013, pp. 453-465).
@@Thoreseus_ Can you point to anyone in history who agrees with Troy Martin's translation of 1 Corinthians 11:15? Someone else compiled a list of every use of περιβολαίου in the LXX Old Testament and New Testament: Deuteronomy 22:12: “cloak/mantle”, Exodus 22:27 (LXX 22:26): “cloak/mantle”, Judges 8:26: “garments”, Job 26:6: “covering/clothing”, Psalm 102:26 (LXX 101:27): “cloak/mantle”, Psalm 104:6 (LXX 103:6): “covering/cloak”, Isaiah 50:3: “covering/garment”, Isaiah 59:17: “cloak/mantle”, Jeremiah 15:12: “covering”, Ezekiel 16:13: “cloak/mantle”, Ezekiel 27:7: “coverings/awnings”, Hebrews 1:12: “cloak/mantle”, 1 Corinthians 11:15: “covering” (testicle?) Troy's translation of περιβολαίου in 1 Cor 11:15 as testicle instead of covering or a piece of clothing is very odd. What about Troy's translation of 1 Cor 11:15 makes sense to you?
@@veritas399 like he says, it makes the most sense out of the text. What builds Paul's argument the best: women are given a natural covering so, naturally, they should cover their covering, or a woman's hair is sexual in nature so she should naturally cover those parts pertaining to sex? Lexicons are not always adequate in discerning uses of euphemism, idiom, and especially colloquiallism. Especially lexicons from the 1800s. Hearken back to reading Shakespeare in high school. So many inuendos that aren't understood based on the plain English reading. And the point is that this is not given as a command of God, but is presented by Paul as justification of the prevailing natural law. Not only that, but Paul himself sites it as a tradition, not a law of God. Therefore, since our modern, demonstrably true understanding of physiology contradicts the ancient justification for head coverings, and it is not a divine law, we can conclude that wearing a head covering is not prescribed for all believers at all times. It is a tradition that extends to the earliest believers and should be practiced by those who do so as an act of faith based on one's conscience, not dictated as an undisputed command of modesty.
1 Corinthians 11:15 tells me as a female my long hair is my covering and is a glory. So as a Christian, I don’t have to wear a head covering to reach Christ or be presentable to a congregation like false religions require like Islam and Hindus or cults like Catholicism. Think about the religions and cults that DO mandate female head coverings. It’s legalistic and the Church is not under the Mosaic Law. We’re under Grace and nothing can be ADDED to what Jesus did on the cross to put a barrier between Him and me 💜
@HarpazoReady2022 You may not be aware, but the idea that long hair is the covering is a relatively recent idea. Since the beginning, Christians who have natively spoken Biblical Greek have realized that Paul is simply making an analogy to prove that one should wear a cloth head covering, not saying that the hair is what he has been speaking of all along. In fact, Paul even uses a different Greek word to say that the hair is a covering (peribolaion) than he uses when speaking of a covering throughout the passage (katakalypto). -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Ok, I wasn’t aware 1 Corinthians 11 was written recently. I thought it was written by Paul in the 1st century around 55-60 A.D. 1 Corinthians 11:15 “BUT if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: *for her hair is given her for a covering.”* That’s not an “idea” as you said. That’s scripture. Hair is the covering. The original Greek states literal hair. We don’t spiritualize or allegorize this. If Paul wanted to do that, he would have said “LIKE hair.” 1 Corinthians 11 explains men don’t wear head coverings & a woman’s hair IS her covering. Verse 16 explains man may disagree with that, but Paul states *we have no such CUSTOM, neither the Churches of God.* This ends the debate. You may disagree, but God has the final say. Jewish Law requires head coverings for both men & women. And Paul was telling them they no longer have to do that as a Christian. The Church has no such custom. This is why Jewish men today wear a kippah. They’re practicing Jews under Mosaic Law- under the Torah. But Jesus came & fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17). They aren’t Christian’s. So I wear my “head covering” everywhere I go with my long hair. Stop being legalistic over females because Christ isn’t. I don’t follow the culture. I’m not Jewish. I’m not Islamic. I’m not Catholic. I’m not a Mennonite. I follow what the Lord says in His Word. My hair IS my head covering. Since you want to make an analogy out of this verse to fit it in with the culture, you apparently take an eisegesis approach to scripture, which means you read into it what it doesn’t say. I take the exegesis approach of taking *from* scripture. This explains why you have no videos on the Harpazo of the church, Christ’s 1,000-year earthly rule and reign during His upcoming Kingdom on earth or Gods plan of salvation for Israel in the last days. God Bless 🌸
@HarpazoReady2022 My point is that, just because a particular interpretation may seem like a possible interpretation to someone two millennia after the Bible was written doesn't mean that it's a good one. Before we come to conclusions about the meaning of a particular ancient Greek term or passage, it's good to research what native speakers of the language, who lived during that historical time period, heard when they read the passage. -Lynn
I fail to see the oppression when someone chooses to follow the King and his precepts; it is an honor and a sign we are His people. Nobody is forced to follow Jesus, it is a willful choice.
this is for @aussymissy, it is only oppressive if you adhere to some religious group's interpretation. God's word is not oppressive please don't confuse or blame God for what some group thinks they know what the word "cover" means. The bible is not asking for any woman to wear a veil. When they say a woman ought to be covered they mean covered in long hair.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i I agree completely. But I think @aussymissy may have been making a point that there is this feeling of oppression in that a woman is somehow coerced to wear a veil or something by some groups. The reason is not because of the Bible but because of some groups that misinterpret some words like in this case "cover" to mean a separate object instead of long hair. But God gave us freedom and we are not under the yoke of any religion or sect to accept a particular interpretation, regardless of time or majority.
@Defending the Gospel @878 4436 I know you won't be convinced by this, but I'm posting this so that people won't be mislead by your interpretation. Your view is a clear misinterpretation of the plain text of Scripture. The word katakalypto, which is the word used for "to cover" throughout the passage, does not mean hair. In the verse where Paul says that a woman's hair is a covering, he uses a completely different word, peribolaion. If Paul meant to say that a woman's hair performs the function of katakalypto, then why does he say that it's a peribolaion? I am aware of no evidence whatsoever that katakalypto can mean long hair in Greek. Feel free to provide any reputable Greek lexicon that suggests that katakalypto can mean long hair. There is none that I know of. There's a reason why all reputable Bible translations translate it "cover." I don't have time to write up an extensive response to your view. Fortunately, a thoughtful Evangelical has done so already. I recommend this video by Mike Winger: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html I don't agree with quite everything about his view, but he shows clearly what katakalypto means. Furthermore, nobody in the history of Christianity interpreted this passage as you do except in modern times. Is your modern interpretation better than the interpretations of all the native speakers of Koine Greek who grew up steeped in the teachings of the apostles, just a few decades or a few hundred years after the apostles taught? In other words, do you know Greek better than a native speaker? Or how can you think your interpretation is a better one? If we aren't convinced yet, Paul says that all the churches had the practice/tradition that he was talking about. So we can look at what the early church was doing, to see what Paul was talking about. The early church taught that women should wear head coverings--that was the practice that all the churches were doing: ruclips.net/video/oflUWLFXyfI/видео.html I bear you no ill will. I'm sure you honestly believe your view, and you have a right to hold and give your own opinion. I'm only replying because many people today are looking for ways to reinterpret 1 Cor 11 so that they don't have to do what the Bible says. I mean, who really wants to do something as counter-cultural as head covering? We would all rather just do what society around us does. Unfortunately, what society believes makes no difference on what God asks us to do. If someone wants to reinterpret this passage so they don't have to obey God, that's on their own head. However, many of them use your interpretation to lead astray even people who are willing to serve God, whatever it takes. Those are the people I'm concerned about. -Lynn
I think your straining out the gnat & swallowing the camel! You talked about custom’s….is it a custom in our Western culture for a woman to wear a head covering? Just as circumcision become an issue in the first century congregation’s….1 Cor. 9:20-22 Paul became all thing’s to all people, so he might gain a few. That was the problem with the Pharisees….they were more concerned about weighing people down with the law, Jesus said my yoke is easy & my load is light, Matt. 11. Please stop making rules for people & just direct them to the love of Jesus!!!
I'm saying this is from Jesus because Paul says they are commands from the Lord in 1 Cor 14:37. If you decide they are rules I'm giving and not from the Lord Jesus, that is between you and Jesus.
@@SoundFaithChannel any thoughts on men's modesty and Godly dress? Or you only have time to make a thousand teachings on an obvious good thing that is clearly prescribed in the NT? Yes the head covering is wonderful. Next subject. Maybe men's dress and modesty? That's a subject never covered by you all
@@busterolney7215 At the time of the release of this video, we only had 100 videos. Other than part one in this series, none were about women's modesty that I'm aware of.
@@SoundFaithChannel the head covering is for the angels yes. But women's hair is obviously very attractive to men. And having it covered is a modesty thing. I am also looking for y'all to talk about men's dress and modesty since it is only really talked about by Muslims and Jews and Christians from countries where there are lots of Muslims and Jews. Why do you all tuck your shirt in? It's because you want to fit in the culture of the USA and keep that nice Mennonite boy image up so the customers keep rolling into the church's trailer business etc.
You know, some women just come here to be educated. Please just educate. I understand that you need to give some context but site after site the teaching by men is filled with talk of contention and those that are against the movement. Please just teach those of us who want to learn Why this is in the word of God and why, according to God should we be doing it. The time spent is more valuable to me that way.
@The.Mrs. Thanks for the comment. We don't intend to be contentious, and I apologize if we came across that way. Was there anything in specific that we've said that was problematic for you? -Lynn
@FA The word translated as "covering" means "covering," not "hair." That's why all Bible translations translate it that way. Here's a really good video that deals with your objections: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html The author of the video has some different conclusions than we do, but he points out that the passage is clearly talking about head coverings. -Lynn
@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus No sure why you use the word "hate" when after reading the back and forth of each others comments there is no hate to be proven here. FA used several decent arguments about the head covering but you want to reduce all that effort to hate. Let's try to play fair here ok people and not provoke emotions? Otherwise you look like the bad guy here.
@Robert Miller Definitely agree--let's play fair. However, you may not be aware that FA posts these arguments all over the place. The effect is a bit dizzying and could feel unfair to people like @Romans (E.J.). -Lynn
I was raised in the 50s and 60s and saw the cultural change in the church. In the mid-50s it was normal for my mother and sister to wear a simple hat to church. This was in a Protestant context.
Years later I attended seminary thinking head coverings were a cultural relic of the past. However, I did a paper on 1Corinthians 11 and was shocked to realize that Paul's reasoning was not cultural at all. I presented this to my class. Needless to say, no one agreed with me, yet they could not dispute my reasoning nor Paul's reasoning.
Since that time, I literally thought I was the only Protestant Evangelical who believed head coverings are commanded in Scripture. I am now heartened to see there is a revival of interest in this.
I'm happy to do my part to normalize a scarf on a woman! Glad the younger generation is joining in! Don't overthink the religious aspects, it's a simple act of respect. Respect for the Lord, as well as self respect.
Great explanation!! The church resists it. I wish I could find a church that embraces this beautiful truth!!
Well, if you mean the Catholic church, they didn't resist it. The church wisely decided to stay out of the argument and "abrogate" the issue. So, basically, it was left to the ladies. As it should be, guys!
Do we tell you what kind of underwear you should wear in church??
I love that I can hear the cheers and squeals of children in the background! Keep em in the church and train them young!
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Thank you so much for this video! I started asking YAH about head covering a year ago and I can say now that I was ignoring His signs but it’s something that kept me uncomfortable especially when people would compliment my hair, I then decided to head cover but only when praying and realized I pray a lot more than I thought and putting the cover and taking it off all the time started to seem wrong!Later on I realized that the reason I had delayed head covering was because of vanity cause I kept trying to find a “fashionable” way to head cover but still show off my hair instead of being focused on obeying and glorifying our Heavenly Father I then repent and realized my beauty is in my obedience! To solidify all of this one day I just didn’t cover at all and when I went to sleep I had a dream that I know for sure wasn’t from YAHUAH( I am a person who are constantly receiving dreams from YAHUAH) and I realized I was uncovered! Ever since head covering was clear to me and I stopped disobeying YAHUAH! Crazy thing is now that I head cover full time I feel so much more beautiful as before I felt that I need my hair to feel beautiful, my skin glows and I get so much more revelation and understanding! This is truly a way to align with YAHUAH’s will for us!
That's awesome. Is your husband okay with it, too? My hubby really loves it. He said it puts a smile on his face. I'm 1 of 2 women who wears a head covering at church. I also wear it full time at home. 🥰 Congratulations!!
Thank you for this video! The Bible is replete with symbolism-the head covering is a lovely outward expression of the Creation Order. I’ve been covering for worship since 2015. The only one in my small reformed baptist church. ❤️ blessings from Virginia!
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God bless you for being obedient. I'm the only one in my Baptist church too!
My daughter & I are the only ones in my church.
It's a blessing to be encouraged to wear a head covering. I always find it a bit ironic that the subjects that people insist are not important enough to care about, are often the subjects that meet the most resistance when they are encouraged to be practiced or studied in a new way.
Amen
Best response to this topic ever 😏
PRAISE GOD
THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH!! ❤ May God continue to bless you with sharing the truth
So many people are against it that I feel scared to do it but I did it for 2 days so far. I was saved in February and I just became aware of 1st Corinthians 11 yesterday.
@I am a child of God Following God isn't easy, but it's worth it! -Lynn
Just follow God no need to overthink things. Let the Lord guide you and not a religious group.
Study the scriptures carefully and note the context not just certain words, check verses 13-15 and ask what is the subject.
God bless you sweet sister! I am so happy that you have been saved.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
1st Cor. 11:15
I have been a Christian my entire life...but I have never been taught modesty, long hair, or head coverings...and I have read the Bible cover to cover and it never triggered me to question why I wasn't taught those things.
I have recently, within the last year or so, began my modest dressing journey...learning as much as I can. I have found many old family photos where the women dress modestly and they have a covering, but I just took it as fashion statements.
What I would genuinely like to know now is, what is considered a head covering? When can you uncover your head, and what do I do in the privacy of my own home and when I go to bed?
@Finny_finn_finn That's a great question. There have been different ways of head covering throughout Christian history. Women in our community typically wear a cloth veil that covers most of their hair. Some women wear head coverings to bed and some don't always. The main principle we would point to is that we want to be ready to pray or prophesy at any time. Scripture doesn't give us an explanation of exactly how we should do it, but it does give us some clear principles.
Hope this is helpful. -Lynn
You did such an excellent teaching. Thank you. I was studying this on my own, to not be swayed one way or the other. I wrote a list of questions, and you answered them. Thank you.
i've been researching this topic for maybe 2 months now. i read 1 Cor 11 and just read over the headcoverings because i was taught that it wasn't necessary anymore due to culture differences. However the Lord convicted me about modesty several months ago and i've since changed my entire wordrobe to glorify Him over my body.
Headcovering seemed to be the next thing He was asking me to do. The excuse of culture suddenly, at the Holy Spirit's guidance, didn't make any sense to me because the Word of the Lord surpasses the changing of culture. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever! ❤
i have only recently begun headcovering, just under a week. i went to evening service a couple days ago and was nervous about it. i'm going to church tomorrow, as it is Sunday, and am nervous about it. People will start to notice and i am so concerned that i will lose friends over it, and possibly be told by an elder, "we don't do this here." Now of course, the latter situation is unlikely because my church isn't that type of church. i'm fully aware it's my flesh and the enemy spinning worse case scenario stories 😅
Nevertheless, i am worried i'll be mocked as being some religion, or be told i'm putting myself under the law in a legalistic manner, or something or other. i have never seen any woman cover their head at my church so i have nooo idea how this will go down.
Anyway, thank you SO incredibly much! These videos were answers to my prayers! i asked the Lord for wisdom and guidance on how to answer when the time comes that i'm asked! Even if i lose friends or find hardship in this, i desperately want to honour the Lord, draw nearer to Him, and i know He has asked this of me. Who am i to say no to my Saviour? 🥰❤️🙌🙏
@kiyomima-ro3209 I hope Sunday went well for you! -Lynn
Rewatching to take notes and explain my head-covering conviction. Thanks!!!
When I was a young girl, I’m now 64 years old. We were not allowed to go to church without our heads covered, I wore a hat. My gran would never go out the front door without having a scarf or a hat on. That was in the 60’s early 70’s. It might be because we’re country folk. I don’t know what it was like in the cities.
I grew up in a big city during the 50s and 60s. It was the same as you describe.
It’s about being humble before God. Our hair is our glory so we are to cover our glory before God to give God all the glory. And even when we give an answer for our faith, that too is a form of worship or prophesy or teaching.
I pray your strength in the Lord , my wife is rebellious to this command aswell she is a babe in Christ,
I will admit that thinking about going out and being different covering my head again does get to me a little. I think it’s that way for most of us actually on some level. I don’t mind being different once I’m out and about - just part of me does dread it a little thinking about how I’m going about looking different before I go out or thinking about it sometimes. You feel a little of the pressure in your mind of having to be different -meaning not one of the rest of the women. Also, knowing my oldest daughter really seems as if she will never cover when she’s older and that makes me feel that out of place feeling thinking about it.
@Reflections in the Bible It's definitely not an easy thing! God bless. -Lynn
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It pleases God. Im new on this walk as well but we are to obey God rather than men. Don"t worry about what others think, you don't need their approval, only God's. And we are to expect being looked at differently because we are to be set apart. God bless you.
Amen brothers! 100% Biblical truth. The King of all Creation, who Created all things, speaks and we listen.
Not 100% not the part about angels and Genesis 6.
@ludadubinetsky7079 care to give us the correct interpretation?
@@PowersFamily2011 yes, this thing about Angels marrying women, is absurd and fairly new idea. The correct way to go about Genesis 6 is:
Those who call upon the name of the Lord are the godly. They are the children of God. This is why the men from Seth's lineage are called the sons of God. The women were Cain s daughters, and were ungodly (earthly).
Spiritually minded and earthly minded started to mingle. God is against that, as we see with the children of Israel, and from the commandments in the new testament.
In the begining, Caine and the other sons of Adam lived apart, but when time passes and the population expanded, their boundaries came together. Seth's sons began to see that Cains women were beautiful (make up), and started doing what displeased the Lord, untill Cains women corrupted Seth's line.
Had it not been for the flood, probably not one human would have been left uncorrupted. Satan had a plant to destroy the line from which Jesus could ultimately come. God didn't allow it.
Is that satisfactory?
@@PowersFamily2011 angels were not created to procreate.
@ludadubinetsky7079 got it. I was mainly referring to the main premise about head coverings being correct. Thank you for the explanation. That makes much more sense.
Thank you so much!! I just started covering (I don’t know anyone else who does) and was so overjoyed to find this!!
God bless you so much. You may not be cheered on by men, but God is pleased with your obedience.
Thank you so much for this. I just love that you quote the Church Fathers 🙏
I'm actually going to do a lesson on my Instagram about headcovering. I mentioned an etsy shop on my social media wear I buy headcovering and I had a few friends (that go to other churches) message me asking if I also cover. We talked for awhile but both other women try to hide it so they won't be judged. I myself have gotten in trouble at my church because I cover. It's really sad that as women we feel like we need to hide the fact that we cover by wearing trendy hats and not talking about it. I don't necessarily want to draw attention to it (all glory belongs to God) but I'm also not ashamed.
I actually stopped wearing my hats, which became a vast collection, because a hat isn’t making a statement in church as I think it should. I was not trying to be trendy with the hats but not being offensive to my sisters. But they know now, have pointedly asked why I was suddenly wearing a head covering, but they aren’t interested at least right now. I do feel that a veil is the more proper way to cover.
The arguments against head coverings are many. They don't agree with each other. They can be disproven.
The argument for is in the scripture. After taking the time to try to disprove my call to cover this is the ultimate reasoning I have found.
Precious babies in the background ❤
I was raised “ a women must cover her head at church and when praying” tradition. I read etiquette and beauty books, now out of print and definitely was at the time (printed in the 60s and I read it in the 70s). One book said wear a headband or fold a scarf into a triangle or rectangle, and for a woman to wear it symbolizes a hat. To wear one indicates you are tidy and respectful. Wear the scarf to tell everyone you care about your hair and accessories. Wear one always to make sure any gust of wind or perspiration will not mess your hair.
This advice was strange and archaic, and it was fussy. But she was right! Even now, when I watch vintage movies and see very old photos , my perception is the woman doing do, she really cares about her style and doesn’t want to have her hair in her face as she eats or rides in a car, etc. And nobody says “why are you wearing a scarf” or “why are wearing a headband?”
I always wear a hair clip or a plastic or metal headband, because the message is I care about my hair even though it gets windblown. Nobody ever asked me, but it is my message.
Whether I dm under the protection or direction of a man is ridiculous. Nowadays, most men don’t have anything to offer in the area or protection, or even morals.
Once I started studying & researching hair covering, it became obvious just how much womens hair is a sensual tool...for my generation it was Farrah Fawcet, her hair was a big deal, in masses women & girls had their hair cut like hers and the root reason for this happening was to be sexy like her and therefore, to attract men & boys to us luring them in through our & their sexuality.
An older relative of mine constantly told me to get a man I must grow out my hair and flip it when I am talking to them. That way to get their attention. She was married sometime in the 40s or 50s so even then this was important.
Yea, no. Every part of a woman is sensual to a man. One of the reasons certain religions make their women completely cover up. Women are not responsible for a man’s lustful thoughts.
No. It’s not because of the fallen angels. It’s because the angels (see Revelations) cover their heads before God and we should follow suit.
Very thankful for this sound biblical teaching. The Lord started convicting me to start head covering the last week, so I'm trying to understand 1 Corinthians 11 as best as possible. Studying it verse by verse in greek and many translations, also tracking the early church handing down, the apostle's disciples and early church leaders... It's so clear. I started covering at home the past two days and wow, what a difference. One thing, one last thing I don't quite understand 100% is if this teaching applies to "all women" or just married ones. In my understanding (not saying that I'm right) Paul is talking about God's order, which includes marriage, but I think it applies to all humans (men or women). In greek the word for 'woman' is the same as 'wife'. But logically it seems to me to be the Godly order. Am I wrong? Tertullian has commented a lot on the head covering and as mentioned in the video, the early church practiced head covering even for the virgins. The passage is crystal clear for the wives, but what about unmarried ladies, which is my case? I'd love your feedback!
@denissaarsova5996 Good question! Tertullian makes some great arguments about this in On the Veiling of Virgins. If I recall, he points out that the reasons Paul gives for veiling apply equally well to unmarried women as well as to married women. -Lynn
I personally wear a veil, but I know several Godly ladies who I have the upmost confidence in, they don’t wear a head covering besides their natural uncut grown hair. They are convinced that is what the Bible teaches. I’m glad that Jesus knows our hearts and He still hears and answers our prayers even if a women doesn’t cover.
One can freely wear a veil if they want to but there is no obligation or commandment for any woman to wear a veil. When is says But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered they mean not covered in long hair or when it says For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn...again they mean not covered in long hair. What does not covered in long hair mean? Basically short hair. The opposite is true as well when it says Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head...they mean his head covered in long hair which is the same theme in verse 14. The problem for most is the word "cover." Please keep in mind that long hair covers a head so it fits the logic.
@90aew @Defending the Gospel Unfortunately, viewing the head covering as the hair doesn't fit the Greek of the passage. A different word is used when it refers to the hair being a covering. -Lynn
Doesn't their attitude also reflect a bit of self pride and a lack of humility before God?
I cover my head . It shows respect to God .
Thank you so much Brother Daniel for this very insightful presentation!
Thank you for these videos. If you do not mind my asking, which denomination are you?
Sierra, their denomination is Conservative Anabaptist, which includes Conservative Mennonites, Dunkard Brethren, etc.
I did not hear a part about why to cover full time. The passage nearly everywhere is translated as when praying and prophesying in public worship, not personal. When I pray out running around I don’t pray aloud or if I do I’m in my car alone. I don’t see this as a need to cover. I’m still not sure I understand the reason for covering other than because Gos said so, but still say all the time to my understanding.
@Wanda Gutierrez Great question. My question would be, where does this passage say that it is only for public worship? We encourage our women to wear a head covering regularly to be ready to pray and prophesy at any time. I hope this helps. -Lynn
Because we are to pray at all times
We're to pray without ceasing. So, cover all the time.
Oh also, it seems it was the married women who covered, but then maybe the young girls also covered in meetings. If you read where Joseph met his wife/that’s when she began to cover.
Thanks for this message!
Although I agree with your position about head coverings & think everyone should practice it; I think we can sometimes major in the minor doctrines & minor in the major doctrines. We have to always seek humility, because believers can become self-righteous about the particular issue. (Other examples could be baptism or a cappella singing.)
Yet at the same time, there are Christians who obey the head covering teaching & neglect, dismiss, disobey the great commission. Jesus clearly taught we have to give up our earthly lives for him & the gospel. (Mark 8:34-38) Meaning Jesus is Lord & we should be working; proclaiming the gospel; seeking & saving the lost, making disciples of Jesus. Christians have to obey All the commands Jesus gave to his apostles. (Matthew 28:18-20)
Teach them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Thank you for your thoughts. Any disobedience to the King is a major, not a minor. Jesus and His apostle's teachings, especially those that are commanded, are all but minor. There are holidays and foods that Liberty has been given, but where liberty has not been given, I think it can be a major problem or a minor problem that leads to many majors. Baptism is a part of the commands in the great commission and would definitely not be a minor. Where Jesus and the apostles talk about acapella singing is a mystery to me. Baptism, on the other hand, the apostles connect it to the death and resurrection of both Jesus and his followers and to forgiveness of sins and being clothed in Jesus. I would have to think that would not be ranked with Acapella singing.
I'm sorry if I offended you in what I said. I'm not criticizing you. I love this channel & agree with most everything you teach. This channel is Amazing! I Love the content!
I'm not from an Anabaptist background. We all come from different places & everyone is at a different point in understanding of the scriptures. Because I come from a different Christian background, you don't understand everything I said. If we were face-to-face it would be easier to communicate. I gave you to many side comments, which distracted you from what I was trying to say.
My point was spoken by Jesus. Jesus in Matthew 23:23,24 said the same thing better than me.
"Woe to you, teachers of the Law & Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--- mint, dill, and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the Law--- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel."
I'm not saying this applies to you specifically. But many groups focus a lot on a certain particular doctrine. I'm just trying to say, let's apply our deepest conviction to the 'more important matters of the law.' In my opinion, the great commission is our greatest duty. 'Come, follow me,' Jesus said, 'and I will make you fishers of men.'
@@IgnatiusEmanuel Amen!
I do not think your wife goes to hell for not wearing a head covering, but it is still something Yahweh wants
@@IgnatiusEmanuel Absolutely
We are to represent the bride of Christ ultimately. That’s what it really comes down to. And the men are to represent the groom. Ultimately that’s what it’s really all about.
Very encouraging. Thank you 🙏🏼
The only objection I've never seen answered, and I'd LOVE to see it addressed, is a subset of the "cultural" argument. Not related to the prostitution, or Greek culture of the time, or Corinthian culture of the time, with respect to head covering, but related to the change in cultural perspectives on women with short hair. Paul says (paraphrasing) "IF it's shameful for a woman to shave her head, then she should wear a covering". Well back then it was shameful for a woman to have short hair, but today it's not. It's trendy, popular, chic, etc. Now... perhaps we should question (and not support) the reasons why it has become a non-issue for women to wear their hair short, but that doesn't itself fully address the challenge. One could say to Paul - well, it's not shameful for a woman to shave her head, so I guess she doesn't need to cover her head. Or indeed, they might say fine, Paul, I don't feel like covering my head, so I guess I'll just go ahead and cut off my hair. No biggie.
I think the answer to this challenge lies in the fact that the short hair/shame = need to cover argument is used by Paul as an illustration to support his argument, but it's not the primary reason why one should cover their hair. I think the primary reason is given up front, with the order of creation, although why this order of creation necessitates covering is still somewhat unclear to me... but I think it becomes more clear when we focus on the fact that short hair = shame is used as an illustration to show us how a woman should feel with her head uncovered. Cutting off hair is like making a woman a man; it's brazen, a denial and rejection of nature and an attempted usurpation of another role. So it seems that Paul is trying to tell women that going around with their head uncovered is equally brazen, or similarly a rejection of nature - it's a bid for false "freedom".
Those are just the few thoughts I've had, but I'd love to see this angle discussed more, by smarter people than me who have studied this more in depth. Because I think this is the only potentially valid "cultural" argument I've heard, but I never hear this talked about in discussions that support head covering today.
@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Thanks, I appreciate your detailed response. I agree with you that long hair is a covering (indeed, Paul says so in this passage) but I also think Paul is talking about two types of covering. The long hair is a woman's glory, given to her by God for a covering, but this glory is to be covered by the woman with some sort of cloth while praying and prophesying. Despite this slight difference in opinion of interpretation, your comments have given me good food for reflection. If I understand correctly, one of your points is that Paul is instructing that nature (which would be God, as the creator of the order of nature) tells us that women should wear their hair long - which means that the cultural shift in opinions about short hair for women is itself wrong. In other words, IF you were to agree with my interpretation on two types of coverings, Paul is saying it is shameful for a woman not to wear a head covering, AND it is shameful for her to cut off her hair (regardless of culture).
I think your question about why a fabric veil just "looks right" when we picture a woman praying is a really interesting one. I'm sure some people would respond that we've been conditioned to that by historical images of veiled women. But I don't think that's right - I think you're onto something - there's something inherently "natural" about a woman wearing a veil while praying, just as there's something inherently "natural" about a woman having long hair.
@Courtney Therien Very good thoughts, Courtney. I would agree with you that, because Paul used multiple reasons that weren't cultural, the culture argument doesn't work.
Another problem is that Paul considers this a "tradition." If you look at the usage of that word in the NT, it indicates teachings, in this case apostolic teachings. Since the apostles were teaching it, and every church practiced it, it couldn't be a cultural thing.
I'll make a note of your comment, because sometime I want to cover this topic, and it's a very good question. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Thanks Lynn - I appreciate your response, and for your stepping in to mediate with the other commenter. One thing I didn't mention in my original post, because it's entirely personal experience (not rooted specifically in Scripture), is that I've struggled off and on for years with feeling convicted about head covering, and I've noticed that the times I feel the conviction (after a period of ignoring it) is often shortly after I've cut my hair quite short. This is one of the reasons I raised this particular "cultural" question - women today think it's fine to cut their hair short, and/so they also think there's no need to cover their head. Yet it seems as though God uses my "shorn" head to bring my attention back to this church tradition. If you do discuss this in another talk, I definitely look forward to hearing it!
@Courtney Therien Thanks for sharing your experience! I've heard multiple women express that same sense. They feel like head covering is the right thing to do, even though they've always been taught otherwise. God bless you as you seek to follow the New Testament faith. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel in the KJV it says it's an ordinance. Because the KJV writters understood that in the context of Paul's giving this they use ordinance. It's something that was to be done by all churches for all times.
I loved this! Thank you for coving this issue. Great work! I do have a genuine question....So, if a Christian couple decides to wear wedding rings because they have prayed and talked and think this is a wise thing in our culture to show marital commitment. Because they are in covenant as Christians. Would you rebuke them?
@Hailey Lindberg Great question. So far as I know, we don't believe wedding rings to be wrong. We encourage Christians not to dress in order to show social status and not to ornament ourselves with expensive things. We choose not to wear wedding rings for this reason, but we wouldn't judge those who do, because that's not necessarily the only reason people would wear them. Does that make sense? -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Yes! This was helpful thank you so much. Thank you for the clarification. I agree wholeheartedly! ❤️
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23:49 "if it be a shame"
29:09 When
30:48 "because of the angels"
I think of 'for the angels' as being a sign to God's holy angels.
I believe it's 3 fold. A setting apart to indicate we are our Father's to the Father's army of angels to observe us in obedience to Him, to be a symbol of position and authority we have to the fallen angels, and a covering of humility to honor our brothers from the temptation of the lust the enemy would entice them with, as well as covetousness by other women if we have been blessed with hair appealing to other women who may be displeased with their own. I only add the latter statement because I have been blessed with long healthy thick gray hair. Before I was prompted to study and obey the teaching of head covering, I was chronically being complemented by other women in the church I attended about my hair. It got uncomfortable and embarrassing to have that attention put upon me when all our attention should be upon our Father and KIng. I cover because my Father will not share His glory with another. Rather, I consider my head covering my gift much like a crown from my Father given in His order and authority for me, knowing I am covered by Him and in all the ways that implies through the Scriptures.
How do you explain the concept of wearing a covering full time.
@Gail Owens1972 We want our women to be ready to pray or prophesy any time. -Lynn
@878 4436 Evidently she took off her head covering, or she didn't follow the Christian practice. -Lynn
@878 4436 Maybe because Jesus, like us, believed that there are appropriate contexts in which a woman is free to remove her head covering. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Many thanks
Not sure where I stand on this as a woman and representstive of God but I'm curious. I do want to do what is right
I wonder if this tradition does have something to do with the nephalim as there is nothing mentioned in Genesis about a woman being born with head covering or that being part of the curse specifically.
At what ages do you cover your daughters? From birth?
1 Corinthians 11 is speaking to husbands and wives only?
Thank you for this. I have been wearing a head covering but only at church. I would like to understand more and this series is helping so much! Praise the Lord.
@thegreergirl There's some variation in practice here. In our church, many girls wait until they are ready to become Christians to start covering. However, some start younger. Some Anabaptist churches veil their daughters when they're maybe eight or so.
There don't seem to be any indications in 1 Cor 11 that it is speaking only of husbands and wives. There seem to have been people in the early church practicing both ways, but the writers who talked about it seemed to all be on the side of veiling before marriage as well.
I hope this helps. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel thanks brother
Is there a reason why the women don't cover the front part of their hair? Im furious to know, please. Some cpver only half the head.nwhy dont they cover the entire head from the hairline? Thanks
I like to cover my hairline. But here's some thoughts:
-It's really hard for it not to slip.
-If one shaves her head, an inch or so would be permissible to be seen by men. Why not show an inch anyways?
-Some ladies prefer it for style!
Those are a few ideas since you are interested in knowing.
At the 31:55 you say it's terrifying to imagine demons or bad angels lusting after women who are uncovered, but what about when women have to shower or when they're intimate with their husband, won't bad angels lust after them even more so? So if its a terrifying thought for a woman to have her hair uncovered how much more terrifying is it for when they shower or get dressed. My wife and I accept what scripture says about head coverings, but we don't think it has anything to do with bad angels lusting after them.
Great points! Totally agree!
I have an important questions, I hope some omne can respond to. I am 54 years old and unmarried. Because I am unmarried and my father is not my head anymmore, I think of myself as directly in submission to Jesus Christ, therefore, do I need to wear a head covering or is it only for women or girls under the authority of their husbands or fathers?
@narrowway4626 Thank you for the question. It doesn't seem that Paul makes a distinction of this kind in 1 Cor 11. It appears the veil is for all women, even though Paul uses the headship order to demonstrate its importance. Hope this is helpful. -Lynn
2 Corinthians 10:7
“Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.”
Please explain.
@R Toguidver We're not here to judge. We're just seeking to obey God, so that when we stand before him, we can be justified rather than condemned. We want the same for you. -Lynn
Thanks for this powerful video Bro. Daniel! Would you be able to let me know the year the first commentary that came out that falsely claimed that the "long hair" was the sole covering spoken of in 1 Corinthians 11? This would be helpful information to debunk that false position.
I'd like to know also
@@TheJarmans07 I found it. It was published in 1965 by Abel Isaakson.
1 Cor 11:15c. answer this one. for her hair is given her for a covering.
@FA We rarely ban people from commenting on this channel, because we want to be able to have constructive conversations with people on Scriptural topics. However, sometimes we do ban people for exactly that reason--they're making it difficult to have constructive conversations. We're banning you, not because we aren't willing for you to share your opinion (we are very willing to hear it), but because you're trying very hard to proselytize commenters on this channel to your point of view.
Unfortunately, your view is not supported by Scripture or history, so when you post it constantly under the comments of Christians who are trying to seek the original Christian faith, it is not helpful to them.
You made some very valid critiques of how some churches practice the head covering, and I hope that those churches will take note of such critiques. However, I regret to say that you'll need to post them elsewhere.
God bless you, @FA, and I hope you can find a group of people to fellowship with who are not hypocritical and who follow the Bible entirely.
- Lynn
@Jerry Dean Garber This is a very good question. Here's how we'd reply:
The word katakalypto, which is the word used for "to cover" throughout the passage, does not mean hair. In the verse where Paul says that a woman's hair is a covering, he uses a completely different word, peribolaion. If Paul meant to say that a woman's hair performs the function of katakalypto, then why does he say that it's a peribolaion?
I am aware of no evidence whatsoever that katakalypto can mean long hair in Greek. There's a reason why all reputable Bible translations translate it "cover."
A thoughtful Evangelical has covered this view. I recommend this video by Mike Winger: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html I don't agree with quite everything about his view, but he shows clearly what katakalypto means.
The early Christians, native speakers of Koine Greek who grew up steeped in the teachings of the apostles, just a few decades or a few hundred years after the apostles taught, considered it a cloth covering
If we aren't convinced yet, Paul says that all the churches had the practice/tradition that he was talking about. So we can look at what the early church was doing, to see what Paul was talking about. The early church taught that women should wear head coverings--that was the practice that all the churches were doing: ruclips.net/video/oflUWLFXyfI/видео.html
Hope this helps -Lynn
A good verse indeed something one should look deeply into.
Im not saying its wrong in the interpretation of verse 16 as you and others state, "no other churches are being continuous, so you shouldn't be. " my paraphrasing of course.
I don't see Paul telling them not to be continuous because no other church is, i see Paul making them do some self examination. Its kinda like when Jesus was telling his disciples that one of them was going to betray him, then they started asking, "Is it me Lord, am i the one?"
We must remember that one of the main reasons Paul wrote this letter is because the church in Corinthian was being continuous! We see that in the first chapter. Therefore by him pointing out that some seem to be continuous it caused them to do some self examination. "Is it me Paul, am i the one being continuous?"
Furthermore if they want to continue being continuous about this then it doesn't matter then we don't have any such custom. Just disregard everything I said and it doesn't matter. Paul was getting to the heart of the matter.
Just my thoughts on that verse.
Wondering if it’s something God honors ( Headcovering) there are quite a few very sincere Christian women even here in USA. Why aren’t more getting the same “ message” that they need to cover ( at least during prayer, etc). Wouldn’t more true believers be embracing this?
Because many don’t believe head coverings are biblical
I appreciate you discussion of this topic but would like to challenge some of what you are saying Chrysostom withstanding, it does seem clear that Paul is tying the covering to praying and or prophesying (cf. vv. 5 and 13). If the veil were to be worn at all times, would not Paul had clearly stated so? One would think that he would have said something like, "Every woman with he head uncovered dishonoureth her head.".
I don't know why Paul would say in verse 15 that, ". . . her hair is given her for a covering." if the covering is not hair. I actually think that the preceding verses can be interpreted with hair being the covering, given that the Greek words indicate something thrown around. A woman could have short hair but not be shaven in which case Paul would be saying that she might just as well be shorn given that both are inappropriate.
I would be very careful to not tie something like a hair covering to salvation; this is creating a works based salvation.
@Scott Palmer Great points. The reason we'd encourage our sisters to wear their head coverings when in public is that we want them to be ready to pray/prophesy anytime. Also, that seems to have been the practice of the early church.
The interpretation that Paul is talking about hair is a recent interpretation that has a lot of problems. One is that Paul uses a different Greek word when calling hair a "covering."
We have a bit of a different perspective on things that might not be salvation issues. We believe that it's a problem when Christians disobey Scripture because they (rightly or wrongly) believe that the specific command won't lose them their salvation. That seems too much like a husband flirting with other women because he knows that it won't cause his wife to divorce him, and only refraining from actual adultery because he knows that she would divorce him because of that. It's an attitude that we don't want to encourage.
God bless. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel I don't know anyone who disobeys God because they believe that they cannot lose their salvation but even as believers we sin and are capable of sinning.
@@scottpalmer829 You're right that we do all fall at times. However, just remember that I was saying that in context of obeying a biblical command. Any rationale for disobeying a biblical command seems a bit concerning, as I'm sure you agree. -Lynn
Thanks for the logical discussion. All scripture should be examined and made sure one is not reading more into what it is saying.
Amen. Ephesians 2:8-9
Can you explain how you practice foot washing?
When lower appendages get dirty… use water to wash… 🤓
@@TheUnplannedLove Thanks 😜
I am new to headcoverings and their application. Is it necessary for women to have their headcovered at all times? Examples I'm thinking of are the beach or maybe while sleeping. I know it says when praying but I pray alot if I wake up at night( we have two young children). Any thoughts would be gladly welcomed, thank you! May God bless!
@blueberry Great question. We encourage our women to cover their heads as much as possible, so that they can pray anytime. Many women wear coverings that they can keep on at night, but others have a covering handy to put on if they were to wake up. We also don't change our dress styles significantly to go to the beach, so that question doesn't affect us. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Amen!
@878 4436 You are welcome to practice as you wish. However, we would like to practice according to what seems the most straightforward reading of Scripture, especially since that reading was considered correct by those who followed after the apostles. You should know that your interpretation is a modern one.
Just to note a few things:
- The OT priests were not under the New Testament. We now worship God "in spirit and in truth" rather than by the old law.
- God doesn't condemn anyone for circumstances outside of their control. Jesus was forced to wear the crown of thorns.
- There are circumstances when it is perfectly legitimate for a woman not to wear a head covering. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't wear it when praying or prophesying.
- A head covering is no more an idol than clothing is.
- 'If “covering” really meant a veil then one would have to explain why anyone would possibly come up with a judgment that a woman praying or prophesying WITHOUT A FABRIC VEIL ON THEIR HEAD WOULD LOGICALLY OR NATURALLY LOOK WRONG? Someone needs to explain this logically. Be honest, does looking at someone doing this naturally create a thought that a veil is missing?' - Most cultures through history would have felt that a woman not wearing a head covering was missing something. So do many women today who feel the need to cover their heads. It's only modern Western Christianity that has tried to change that.
God bless,
-Lynn
Just follow Gods words not a sect or someone's interpretation.
I love your message no disrespect
Where can we find the chrysostom quotes about it being for all of the time vs prayer?
Thanks for these videos BTW, my husband and I are graduates from a sister college of yours and really resonated with your story.
It is in John Chrysostom's commentary on 1 Corinthians 11. I read it in my kindle version of the Post Nicene Fathers set but I also just found it for free in the link below.
biblehub.com/commentaries/chrysostom/1_corinthians/11.htm
@@SoundFaithChannel Thank you, I use the KJV, but even that version has flaws
@@SoundFaithChannel hello brother (David?), I would say it is for prayer and prophesy only, but can be used all the time also, since men also are allowed to wear hats, yet it is commanded that they pray uncovered
@@Fil0girl I have not personally come across such a church, but I believe it could exist, albeit in very limited numbers.
It is all the time because the Bible says we.are to be in prayer at all times.....
So what’s the point of hair if it’s covered all the time???? Seriously 😒 Like I get covering for prayer but all the time still doesn’t make sense to me.
@chaye We practice the head covering when praying or prophesying. Also in public, because we want to be ready to pray at any time. That doesn't mean that the hair is covered all the time, though it is covered most of the time. -Lynn
@FA Before making such accusations, you might want to check into our actual beliefs and culture. Clearly, you aren't familiar with either of them.
We're trying to live in accordance with Scripture and the faith historically believed by the followers of the apostles. If you have the same wish, you might consider listening to our messages with an open mind. -Lynn
@FA There is a lot of variation among different Mennonite and Anabaptist churches. You're welcome to respond to the positions our ministry actually promotes. If you're more interested in responding to other groups instead, feel free to do that on their platforms. If you insist on respond to them here instead of responding to us, we'll need to block your comments. -Lynn
Wow what is happening here? what is with this threat of blocking comments? FA made several good point that no one here seems to want to prove wrong. Nice "Christian" responses here.
@MLK Unfortunately, we don't have the time to respond to everyone. If you're looking for responses, I recommend this video (we wouldn't agree with everything in it, but it's very well thought out): ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html
I would hardly think that you'd feel we would need to respond to FA's attacks on Christian groups that we're entirely unaffiliated with. Or that we would be glad to allow people to attack other Christians in the comments section on our channel. -Lynn
Great Preaching thank you your info will help me share with my sisters as to why! Also, i assume sleep counts as well? What about romantic times? Thank you for the insight!
@Bonkusgrl Good questions. Here are my own opinions. Since one isn't likely to be praying while sleeping, and since one usually sleeps in private, it wouldn't be as big a deal to wear it while sleeping, but it still might be a good idea. Also, Paul writes that woman is the glory of man and that her hair is her glory, so I believe that romantic times are a time when it's appropriate not to wear one. However, you should definitely be careful to follow your conscience. God bless. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Thank you for getting back to me on this it is very helpful! God Bless ! :)
Hello Brother, I agree with your teaching, but there are on group that takes the head coverings series, and these are the Amish and meno items, who wearing hc for hundreds of years
You're absolutely right! We're an Anabaptist church where Daniel and his family have found fellowship after searching for this. -Lynn
We don’t need to do the foot washing. That was because they walked in sandals and dirt for one. For two, it was symbolic of serving one another. It is serving one another that is commanded.
Paul definitely said there was no debate about headcovering in the churches, nor did he say that it was his idea, but that it was commanded in all the churches.
Paul also said that all scripture was inspired by God, 2Ti 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works, And again Paul wrote that we all will appear before the judgment seat of Christ to give account.
2Co 5:10 KJV For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
And lastly, Jesus told us how we will be judged, saying. Joh 12:48 KJV He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
With this in mind, I would rather err by obeying the Bible than to be found disobeying the Word.
Most did not ask to be put in the mixed category however the make up you are born who you are the Lords child no matter your ancestry ❤️
Excellent message brother. But on the point of hair being the glory of the women and therefore its her covering instead of an actual vailing. I would say yes it is her her glory covering given her by God, but because she is under her husband her glory(her hair) must be covered so that her glory does not impose on the glory of man, who is to be her glory!
sounds kind of arrogant
cf. on you tube: "Head Covering Debate: The Greater Glory Revealed: Part 1"
Do you agree that women can be prophets?
@Vanessa Loy Yes, Scripture has some examples of prophetesses. -Lynn
Evening,
I am a young adult
and ever since I have read about head covering and more,
it has been a month or so since I have been reflecting on starting to veil myself
for many biblical reasons,
some of them being: Signs from the Lord as well as constantly dreaming and thinking about the veil
And being able to see how the veil protects more my femininity and dignity as well as the benefits
and that it brings me closer to God. As well as for a modest habit to develop more.
I want to do what is right
but I simply believe that I am not ready to veil all the time
but want to start veiling during prayers and anything religious related that includes men being present.
I was wondering; Should I feel ashamed of not covering my hair at all times ?
It seems like God doesn't want me to overthink this
Can I pray unveiled when I am alone with Christ ?
Does the Lord want women to veil in public with fellow brothers/sisters or with the congregation as well as alone with him (or is that on another perspective to learn about)
as well as how can I introduce myself to the concept veiling and how is it possible for one to have motivation knowing that almost no one veils around them.
and what scriptures could possibly be related to veiling?
thank you to whoever is able to answer me
I do understand that I have many questions listed in one comment
and God bless y'all
@bannanegirl4267 Thanks for the comment! We do think that it's good to wear a veil at all times, so that one can always be ready to pray and prophesy. However, I personally don't believe that one needs to--I just think it's a good idea.
I don't have a complete answer to the question of praying unveiled when alone, but I know that my wife feels more comfortable praying with a veiling, even when alone. I think it's that it feels more in line with God's wishes, and feels more protected to her. Also, 1 Cor 11 doesn't specify that it's only when with other people are present. Note that Paul says, "because of the angels," and though no one is quite sure what he meant, that would seem to apply even when we're alone.
I can believe that it's difficult to veil when no one else around you is doing it. If you trust God and obey him, he will support you in that. I would also recommend trying as much as possible not to seem like you are judging anyone else for not wearing it. Often people feel judged whenever they see someone wearing a veiling and they aren't, and we can't really help that. However, we can do our best not to act "holier than thou" about our choice of obedience to Jesus and the apostles.
I hope this is helpful, God bless! -Lynn
Hi there! I'm a young adult (21). I started veiling at 19. I really like Lynn's response and thought I'd give you some encouragement in regards to headcovering in public.
The first few weeks are hard because of self-consciousness and family/friends' opinions. After a while, it's just normal like putting on clothes. You'll likely never feel ready. Starting with a beanie is easier.
I highly reccomend Scarf Bar pretieds or buy their square coverings with a velvet head wrap (my fav). Find a way to own it!
I so much have the desire to start head covering. But my husband isn't willing to let me completely surrender my to the Lord.
I will preface this statement first with saying that being submissive to your husband is to give glory to God. Personally, I would seek a scriptural basis that would allow or disallow your husband to determine if you follow the convictions you have from the Lord. I don’t believe it is wise to disregard scriptural teachings in light of being submissive to your head. Thus, I say to seek guidance from scripture and the counsel of Godly teachers to inform your decision in moving forward. May God give you wisdom on your journey 🙏
I where no 2 weeks head coffering. And I am the only wan in y Church. And the only Christian in the region. And the only wan in my famely. And in my country there are a los of immigrants from moslims country. And most people are sik and tyerd of the moslims. And in Iran the wonen Who died for taken of her had coffering. So nobody understands me. But I whil where my had coffering. For the Lord.
In 1st cor. 11 it also says because of the angels...did we have angels then?...do we have angels now?...yes we did have angels and do have angels now....Paul says because of the angels not absolute as to why but it does tell me that women's head covering is not cultural and still for today
Also when the Lord clothes Adam and Eve they were given tunics but nothing about a veil. Why
@chaye We don't know whether God gave Eve a veil or not. This was a Christian teaching that all the apostolic churches practiced, however.
@FA We've interpreted 1 Cor 11 as Christians have throughout history up until about a hundred years ago.
-Lynn
@FA If you're interested in engaging respectfully with the position that we actually hold, we welcome your thoughts and even disagreement. If not, we'll need to block your comments. -Lynn
Good question. It would seem that it was not necessary. The arguments about wearing a veil (for Christians) is something that happened after the Bible was written when people started making up a whole host of denominations the doctrines of which have past on for years.
@MLK Are you not familiar with 1 Cor 11? Wearing a veil is taught by Paul himself. -Lynn
There's nothing disrespectful in F a's response. You might need to watch out for spiritual pride. I am familiar with 1st Corinthians 11. Since you didn't understand 1st Corinthians at 11:15. Nowhere it mentions the word veil except for to explain that the hair was giving instead of a veil. It seems that you care a lot about "respecting" what people believe instead of what God says. Are we supposed to take a shower with a veil? Are we forbidden to pray while taking a shower? Obviously not. Only legalism would make you think that way. May God liberate you with the Holy Ghost.
Also notice it is talking about women not girls.
Semantics.
What church do you belong to?
@maggiechildofgod974 We belong to an Anabaptist church. -Lynn
@SoundFaithChannel I wish there was one here but we really appreciate you and what you are doing. It is very helpful.
My heart aches for the people I know with total alopecia. Hearing a message like this would be like shoving daggers through their heart.
@ElkeMiller We certainly don't think that God requires us to do what we are unable to do. That should be a given in any discussion.
For example, see 1 Cor 7:3: "The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband." Of course if spouses are/become incapable of this, they aren't judged for not doing it.
God is constantly remembering that we are dust and taking pity on us. -Lynn
Did the early writings outside of the NT, teach/show the church practiced literal feet washings? I imagine they did.
Personally, I've participated in this a few times, but it has never been something I or the group I'm part of, does on a regular basis.
To me feet washing was an important practice in ancient times. I'm sure, with opportunities readily available. But that's not the way it is in 2020.
So the way I mostly apply this teaching, is being a servant to my brothers & sisters. (John 13:1, 34 & 35)
Loving other disciples of Jesus, the way Jesus loved his disciples; showing/demonstrating the full extent of our love for each other.
(Gal 6:10, Heb 6:10 & Mt 25:40)
That wasn’t literal except for the time as they wore sandals and would have very dirty feet. It is symbolic meaning we should serve one another.
I'm here because I'm interested in veiling, but that nailpolished barista example seems oddly specific...
Awesome sis may the Lord give you boldness
@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter we will see on the great and terrible day of our Lord ...God bless you too
iF someone were saved ( and always saved) it would seem to me that if they were TRULY a Christian, they would WANT TO obey God and please Him. No say that because they are aved ( and always saved) that they can continue to be as unholy as they wish.
I've been praying and I think I am going to start covering for worship on the Lord's day. I have a lot of fear and things holding me back. Thinking that maybe I'm wrong about the head covering and I also get so wrapped up in it it's all I focus on I can't even think about the Lord it seems to take up all my head space. Struggling a bit.
On my husband's account *
@NITSUD 1111 That can be very difficult! Blessings to you as you seek to obey Scripture. -Lynn
Just keep reading the Bible no need to worry about it as it is not vital for salvation.
@GodsWordisTruth-zg1jj Just because God may save some of those who have disobeyed him doesn't mean that we should encourage disobedience to God. -Lynn
1st Cor 11:15 👩
You don’t go to the beach?
@Roan We do. But we wear the same clothes as we typically do in public. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel I do not go to the beach either. i always prefered the mountains
what is a holy kiss?
An affectionate greeting.
H"And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a veil, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.
When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face." (GENESIS 38:14&15)
"And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood." GEN38:19)
HERE IT SEEMS THAT PROSTITUTES DID INDEED WEAR A VAIL.
ADAM CLARK GOT THE IDEA THAT PROSTITUTES DID NOT WEAR HEAD COVERINGS?
@peter_waldo3715 This is talking about a very different culture, from thousands of years before Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. Also, it appears the point for Tamar was to cover her face, not just her hair, so this looks like a different application. Does that make sense? -Lynn
to assume the “sons of God” were fallen angels, is a complete contradiction. and if you read genesis chapters 1-6, it has no mention of angels. it only speaks of men populating the earth. the sons of God were people like Adam, Noah, Enoch, etc. those who lived 800 years or more. to believe demons mated with humans or spirit mated with flesh and made a soul, which is created only under Gods order, is a demonic belief. unfortunately, i see this belief being spread all too often.
Would you say Jesus had short hair?
@PrettySunShines Probably so. -Lynn
I don't thinknit makes sense that God built women beautiful but then expected them to be covered even though they were born naked. This has to be linked to the curse in the garden of eden if it's true
then why should they wear clothes at all if you follow that logic
Only 2 minutes into this exciting topic about tradition and history and Bible verses to illuminate. However, not accurate that head coverings (such as veils and sometimes hats to substitute for veils) are completely absent from the meetings of Christians to worship. A few women still wear veils in Roman Catholic Church, and it is a sign of following tradition, but I’m too shy to ask why they do this.
It has been the traditional interpretation of the Roman Catholic church for men to be bareheaded, and the women to be covered. From 1917 [Roman Catholic] code of canon law, Canon 1262 "Men, in a church or outside a church, while they are assisting at sacred rites, shall be bare-headed, unless the approved mores of the people or peculiar circumstances determine otherwise; women, however, shall have a covered head and be modestly dressed, especially when they approach the table of the Lord."
@@veritas399 The RCC is strongly heretical but they are right on the head covering.
Women in the Eastern Orthodox Christian churches wear veils or headscarves. The Amish and Mennonites wear bonnets. The Episcopalians wear hats or did til the 1970’s or so. Traditional Black church ladies wear hats they refer to as “crowns” and are quite elaborate! Ladies in the Catholic tradition wear what are referred to as chapel veils. Outside church they would wear the hat style of the day. So they differentiated between the church head covering, the chapel veil, and the daily head cover, which was a stylish hat.
The celestial Church of christ also were head covering x
@@veritas399 Thank you for the information. Did the RCC change their canon law in the 80's regarding the matter?
It’s about public prayer. Start at the beginning again. It’s not about private prayer. He hasn’t seen the women praying in their innermost rooms. It talks about praying in connection to prophesying. It’s talking about in public. Now I will give you this, that we are to always be ready with an answer for our faith-which would then require our heads to be covered-in public with people other than our husbands and children.
"It’s about public prayer. Start at the beginning again. It’s not about private prayer"
Incorrect. If you are merely doing it in public, to be seen by men, you are a hypocrite. See Matthew 6. Harsh words, you may say, but it is truth. Also considering the fact that women must be silent in church. Meaning, prayer is a private thing too. And there the head must be covered. Not for men's sake, but God's sake. Does that make sense?
Brother, if you would like to learn Greek I would recommend the Beginning with New Testament Greek grammar and you can find lectures for it online for free. Knowing the words and the tense forms you are highlighting would be very beneficial for your exegesis and your people. God bless!
Some women like to wear a headband, cap, hat or even a hair tie that contains the Ten Commandments in order to obey Deut. 6:8-9. Because it says it is for the children and not just men or women. It normally doesn't cover all the hair as Paul describes.
Those coverings have come to be known as the armour of God. There are eight pieces that many are seaching for. There is the head, both hands, the belt, breastplate, heart and feet. Exactly what are they, what do they contain? Jesus tells us that if we love Him to keep His words for they are spirit and they are life, Maybe that is the spirit we are to walk in. We just need more work and workers.
God grafted Christians into Israel so the O.T. wasn't just given to the Jews but Christian as well. Those commands God gives to His children is for all who believes in Jesus. The O.T. is our school master just as the Prophets and N.T.. ALL scripture is inspired.
If the head of woman is the man, then why isn't the man's head covered?
@godswarriors7543 You're right that God grafted us Christians into Israel, but he also made a large paradigm shift in doing so. Here's a video where we talk about the purpose of the Old Testament Law under Christ: ruclips.net/video/vPwF4PO1x2Q/видео.html -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel And yet, we are told that God does not change.
At the 21:00 you started tap dancing. It said if her head is uncovered, she might as well shave it. Uncovered meant she cut it short like a man, and then he says you might as well shave it. Also, if it was a dishonor to cover ones head, why did God command Aaron and his sons the priest to cover their heads? Hmm, hmmm. So Aaron has his bonnet on God still consider him Uncovered, but what if Aaron grew his hair? Then he would be covered. Only a Nazrite could grow his hair so that way people knew his commitment. Also, Rebecca was out with the men and the servants and maidens in the field, and until she saw her fiance coming, then she covered up Strang, huh????? Stop putting laws on people we are Gentiles no more jew or gentile doesn't nature teach this. So if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor, and he's covered. All of a sudden, it switches for the woman to now have long hair and also keep it covered. It sounds like man interfering as usual to control them and actually can't tell the difference between a muslim and christian, but the long flowing hair helps so much. You can hide short hair all you want, but you can not hide the glory of a woman's long hair. This is the only scripture use, and it says straight out. If he wanted woman hair covered, he would have told Eve the first woman, but why do that when God already provided the Covering.....
If the apostles taught that Christian women should cover their heads, shouldn't we follow that?
Who taught that. Paul said cover and covering never said they should put a veil on. In fact only MARRIED woman and widows was ever mention to wear veils due to marriage. Unmarried woman didn't wear a covering they where not obligated because they had no husband as the head. Does a woman not pray in the shower? At war can a soldier not pray if he has a helmet on. Does he rush to take it off before praying. What if in a dust storm shall a man uncover his head before praying make it make sense? In that same scripture Paul states a man that has long hair is dishonoring and a woman that have long hair is her covering how in the world do neglect that. Paul also stated once you put laws on yourself what does it profit you but now it becomes sin to you if not followed. Some eat pork some honor the sabbath on Wednesday some on Sunday its not what goes in or what you wear as in fabrics but must be done in modesty but not cutting of the hair,was always been a Command from God from the beginning for cover and uncovered. Last question when was that law put in what type of covering how big what color what material any kind of covering can it be a pumpkin I'm being serious???? If one is to say this is a salvation issue then you better have your ducks in a row because blood will be on your hands. I'm not blind to the fact you can say covering means a cloth but in the very scripture he uses HAIR has covering also God called hair the covering. Give me a one scripture that says to cover your head with a cloth of some sort before this one. Why at the ACTUAL END of Paul's ministry and in that scripture never said veil when oblivious it been used before in the word of God?
@@michaelramirez7096
- The word Paul uses is a Greek word meaning cloth covering.
- The early Christians, who knew Greek as their native language, interpretet Paul's words as meaning a cloth covering. The word Paul uses of the hair is a different Greek word. No one until very recently interpreted Paul as saying that womens' hair is the only covering they need.
- The passage doesn't say that only married women wore a covering. Besides, if you're saying that it's only married women, then you're admitting that it's a cloth covering.
- Paul never says that a woman can't ever remove her covering for any reason or that a man can't ever wear a hat for any reason.
- Just because it isn't stipulated exactly how the covering should be worn doesn't mean that Paul wasn't talking about coverings. That's a non sequitur.
@@lynnmmartin Wow not even going to attempt any of the questions. Just its in Greek and the interpretation route. Please answer this when was it put in law? And who put it? And if it's Paul just say it was Paul the one who finally stated it as God's Law.
@@lynnmmartin Exodus 28:4
“And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.”Exodus 28:43
“And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.” I would say a man wear a covering cloth would be more of a argument for but you seem to pick and choose 😉 Why did God command the royal priesthood to cover their heads aren't we the royal priesthood now is this a statue forever?
Why do those objections needs to be even answered? God's word isn't up to debate. Christian women are not to pray with uncovered heads. End of story.
I agree it isn't up for debate a woman should have their head covered but covered in long hair. The topic is LONG hair not a fabricated object. Simple end of story.
@@defendingthegospel721 End of story? The biblical covering is somethign that can be removed. Good luck trying to take off and back on your hair
@@lukasderlokomotivfuhrer7657 Clearly you have a problem reading the scriptures. According to those who believe women ought to wear veils this verse implies that a woman’s uncovered head is someone who does not wear a veil. That they are wrong for failing to wear it and assumes that such a person already has long hair. Therefore, the conclusion is that it must be referring to an “additional” covering. Another conclusion is that a woman ought to be covered ONLY when praying and prophesying then it would seem as though it is something that can be placed on or taken off like a veil.
A typical question from those who are against “the covering” having more to do with hair is usually something like this: “If a woman ONLY needs to cover during prophecy or prayer, then how can a woman take off her hair and then put it back on?” The logical response to this is: Where did they read the word: "Only?” Also why assume that people are interpreting the word “covered” to mean hair and not LONG hair? (A topic for a later discussion.) I think this is probably one of the most misunderstood verses in my opinion because many of those who desperately preach on this topic assume that the Bible refers to “exclusive conditions” instead of viewing it as simply two examples being given. Evidence can be seen in verse 13 as it only mentions the word “praying.” So what happened to “prophesying?” Why is it missing? Well, because the idea of having a woman’s head covered was not meant to be understood as under two exclusive conditions, but were meant to be seen as examples.
If there where really only two exclusive moments then one should have no problem if an “unveiled” woman speaks in tongues, interprets tongues, heals the sick, casts out devils, etc., right? Following such logic then it stands to reason that the other instances that I mentioned should be ok WITHOUT a veil, right? Now if those who claim exclusivity say NO, then they should admit that it is NOT under such conditions but that there may be more; thereby making the argument that the covering is removable based on two conditions, to be moot. Also, please keep in mind that the word “veil” is not actually mentioned here, neither anything that IMPLICITLY states that the covering is something can be placed on or taken off. People ASSUME this because they are misreading that verse. Also, as a side note I think it is interesting to note that being uncovered DOES NOT prevent a woman from prophesying, clearly a supernatural event.
So what can we say about this? Just that Paul was giving us a couple of examples of how doing something HOLY or GODLY does not look right if she is uncovered, in other words not covered in long hair. Its as SIMPLE as that.
@@defendingthegospel721 "Another conclusion is that a woman ought to be covered ONLY when praying and prophesying then it would seem as though it is something that can be placed on or taken off like a veil."
Very correct. Thank you for confirming my point
@@defendingthegospel721 Does a woman not have long hair by nature?
There's alot of sense in that man's question.
Also,am a person who has dont a thorough Bible study am really not convinced at all,i mean its few verses that are very clear n people make a mountain out of it,we tend to complicate our lives sooo much then live complaining about it,for instance lets asume paul was talking about a material on top of the long hair which is a glory for a woman n is given for a covering,lets ignore that n asume its a material or a clothing,still you went as far as claiming that it insinuate that women should cover all the time while the verse is very specific WHEN PROPHECING,MANY wonen from where i come from likes shaving,its another style or fashion,they usually put a clothing on their heads when going to church,am an african so i got dreadlocks on my head which is natural African long hair permanently put together or twisted,i dont add a clothing on to cover my hair as my head is already covered,i also dont use BIBLE commentaries as I've come through few that explained the Bible completely out of context far from what i see in the scriptures and i perceive it as other people's understanding of the scriptures so i choose to rely on the Holy spirit instead of understanding the Bible in someone's point of view.
Also,alot of tradition that had nothing to do with religion covered as that was the defination of being modest in those days n some still cover although they dont follow a certain religion,our great grandmothers covered too and so did the with doctors who usually use a black or a white covering.
Also,the jews used to covers n still do although the Torah doesn't command though its their tradition in their other sources and when i look at the story of Jesus,i see that those sources were still there in those days as people questioned why his disciples weren't following thise traditions n Jesus reffered to them as the traiditons of men,am not typing as i confirm from the scriptures so one can point out anything i typed that may not be so
Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonour to him?
How long is long hair? Did Jesus had long hair? What abt Samson? If yes, why was it not a dishonor? Didn't they go against the nature? When the Jewish men cover their head during prayer, is it also a dishonour?
Can't women talk to God while bathing?
Good point one should then reevaluate whether one is reading the scriptures correctly
1 cor 11;16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
it was the tradition and custon and culture of those times. nothing else
in 1 pet 3 we read about women coming to the church meetings with plaited hair so women did not cover the hair.
thirdly, the Bible says that everything has to be gounded on at least TWO witnesses. there is only ONE place in the Bible where you read about the head covering and that is also not very clear since we read in the very passage that the hair of women is their covering.
in the new testament we dont follow the traditions of old. we follow Lord Yeshu who set us free from the external things. now the reality is Christ Himself. not the things on the outside
those who wear head coverings rely on the Flesh which is SIN and that is the WRONG REBELLION... thats bondage to sin...
@aikozoe6598
Paul says that they don't have a custom of contending with this truth. But the head covering itself is a "tradition" (v2). As we see in 2 Thes 2:15, a Christian tradition was not simply a culture of the day, but was something handed down from the apostles for all Christians to follow.
It is easy to have braided hair showing out from under a covering; people do it all the time.
Those who wear head coverings are following the commands of those who learned at Jesus's feet and whom he authorized to publish his word to the whole world. -Lynn
I know I post this every time, but the research of Troy Martin needs to be considered in any modern discussion of this issue. His article, Paul's Argument from Nature for the Veil in 1 Corinthians 11:13-15: A Testicle Instead of a Head Covering (Troy W. Martin, Journal of Biblical Literarure, Vol. 123, No 1, 2004, pp. 75 - 84) is highly informative of the historical context in which Paul was writing.
I think it is wonderful that this congregation believes strongly in applying scripture to their everyday lives, including wearing a head covering. This is an act of faith that should be celebrated, but I believe it is an optional act not a command of God.
It's a command of God.
Basically Troy Martin from Xavier University suggests that περιβολαίου in 1 Corinthians 11:15 that is usually translated as "covering" should instead be translated as "testicle". As always, it is best to do a thorough study of interpretation thru church history. Has anyone, especially native koine Greek speakers, come to the same conclusion? (No) Within this video, several early church leaders have given their interpretation. Are they all wrong, and Troy is right? If you will only be convinced with 21st century academics, I would refer to Dr. Mark Goodacre from Duke university who writes about Troy Martin's unique translation in verse 15. In Journal of Biblical literature, (same publication that you referenced), in article "Does περιβολαιιν mean 'testicle' in 1 Corinthians 11:15?" in volume 130, June 2011, Dr Goodacre writes "Unfortunately for Martin's argument, the lexical case is weak. He offers only two texts to illustrate that the word was used in this way." It should be noted that there are thousands of Greek texts, and Troy only cites 2 instances of this. The gloss of "testicle" for the word "περιβολαιον" is so rare or unique that no Greek lexicons I could find that that as an option. All of them (LSJ, Thayer, Strong's) had something like "that which is thrown around, a covering, a wrapper, mantle, veil, cloak". Can you find ANYONE else who suggests the same translation as Troy Martin?
@@veritas399 Please continue your exploration of this topic by reading Martin's response to Goodacre (Περιβόλαιον as “Testicle” in 1 Corinthians
11:15: A Response to Mark Goodacre, Troy W. Martin, Journal of Biblical Literarure, Vol. 132, No. 2, 2013, pp. 453-465).
@@Thoreseus_ Can you point to anyone in history who agrees with Troy Martin's translation of 1 Corinthians 11:15? Someone else compiled a list of every use of περιβολαίου in the LXX Old Testament and New Testament: Deuteronomy 22:12: “cloak/mantle”, Exodus 22:27 (LXX 22:26): “cloak/mantle”, Judges 8:26: “garments”, Job 26:6: “covering/clothing”, Psalm 102:26 (LXX 101:27): “cloak/mantle”, Psalm 104:6 (LXX 103:6): “covering/cloak”, Isaiah 50:3: “covering/garment”, Isaiah 59:17: “cloak/mantle”, Jeremiah 15:12: “covering”, Ezekiel 16:13: “cloak/mantle”, Ezekiel 27:7: “coverings/awnings”, Hebrews 1:12: “cloak/mantle”, 1 Corinthians 11:15: “covering” (testicle?) Troy's translation of περιβολαίου in 1 Cor 11:15 as testicle instead of covering or a piece of clothing is very odd. What about Troy's translation of 1 Cor 11:15 makes sense to you?
@@veritas399 like he says, it makes the most sense out of the text. What builds Paul's argument the best: women are given a natural covering so, naturally, they should cover their covering, or a woman's hair is sexual in nature so she should naturally cover those parts pertaining to sex?
Lexicons are not always adequate in discerning uses of euphemism, idiom, and especially colloquiallism. Especially lexicons from the 1800s. Hearken back to reading Shakespeare in high school. So many inuendos that aren't understood based on the plain English reading.
And the point is that this is not given as a command of God, but is presented by Paul as justification of the prevailing natural law. Not only that, but Paul himself sites it as a tradition, not a law of God. Therefore, since our modern, demonstrably true understanding of physiology contradicts the ancient justification for head coverings, and it is not a divine law, we can conclude that wearing a head covering is not prescribed for all believers at all times. It is a tradition that extends to the earliest believers and should be practiced by those who do so as an act of faith based on one's conscience, not dictated as an undisputed command of modesty.
1 Corinthians 11:15 tells me as a female my long hair is my covering and is a glory.
So as a Christian, I don’t have to wear a head covering to reach Christ or be presentable to a congregation like false religions require like Islam and Hindus or cults like Catholicism. Think about the religions and cults that DO mandate female head coverings. It’s legalistic and the Church is not under the Mosaic Law. We’re under Grace and nothing can be ADDED to what Jesus did on the cross to put a barrier between Him and me 💜
@HarpazoReady2022 You may not be aware, but the idea that long hair is the covering is a relatively recent idea. Since the beginning, Christians who have natively spoken Biblical Greek have realized that Paul is simply making an analogy to prove that one should wear a cloth head covering, not saying that the hair is what he has been speaking of all along. In fact, Paul even uses a different Greek word to say that the hair is a covering (peribolaion) than he uses when speaking of a covering throughout the passage (katakalypto). -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel
Ok, I wasn’t aware 1 Corinthians 11 was written recently. I thought it was written by Paul in the 1st century around 55-60 A.D.
1 Corinthians 11:15
“BUT if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: *for her hair is given her for a covering.”* That’s not an “idea” as you said. That’s scripture. Hair is the covering.
The original Greek states literal hair. We don’t spiritualize or allegorize this. If Paul wanted to do that, he would have said “LIKE hair.”
1 Corinthians 11 explains men don’t wear head coverings & a woman’s hair IS her covering. Verse 16 explains man may disagree with that, but Paul states *we have no such CUSTOM, neither the Churches of God.* This ends the debate. You may disagree, but God has the final say.
Jewish Law requires head coverings for both men & women. And Paul was telling them they no longer have to do that as a Christian. The Church has no such custom. This is why Jewish men today wear a kippah. They’re practicing Jews under Mosaic Law- under the Torah. But Jesus came & fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17). They aren’t Christian’s.
So I wear my “head covering” everywhere I go with my long hair. Stop being legalistic over females because Christ isn’t. I don’t follow the culture. I’m not Jewish. I’m not Islamic. I’m not Catholic. I’m not a Mennonite.
I follow what the Lord says in His Word. My hair IS my head covering.
Since you want to make an analogy out of this verse to fit it in with the culture, you apparently take an eisegesis approach to scripture, which means you read into it what it doesn’t say. I take the exegesis approach of taking *from* scripture.
This explains why you have no videos on the Harpazo of the church, Christ’s 1,000-year earthly rule and reign during His upcoming Kingdom on earth or Gods plan of salvation for Israel in the last days.
God Bless 🌸
@HarpazoReady2022 My point is that, just because a particular interpretation may seem like a possible interpretation to someone two millennia after the Bible was written doesn't mean that it's a good one.
Before we come to conclusions about the meaning of a particular ancient Greek term or passage, it's good to research what native speakers of the language, who lived during that historical time period, heard when they read the passage. -Lynn
So oppressive
I fail to see the oppression when someone chooses to follow the King and his precepts; it is an honor and a sign we are His people. Nobody is forced to follow Jesus, it is a willful choice.
It is God's word.
this is for @aussymissy, it is only oppressive if you adhere to some religious group's interpretation. God's word is not oppressive please don't confuse or blame God for what some group thinks they know what the word "cover" means. The bible is not asking for any woman to wear a veil. When they say a woman ought to be covered they mean covered in long hair.
@@user-iz8np3vv4i I agree completely. But I think @aussymissy may have been making a point that there is this feeling of oppression in that a woman is somehow coerced to wear a veil or something by some groups. The reason is not because of the Bible but because of some groups that misinterpret some words like in this case "cover" to mean a separate object instead of long hair. But God gave us freedom and we are not under the yoke of any religion or sect to accept a particular interpretation, regardless of time or majority.
@Defending the Gospel @878 4436
I know you won't be convinced by this, but I'm posting this so that people won't be mislead by your interpretation.
Your view is a clear misinterpretation of the plain text of Scripture. The word katakalypto, which is the word used for "to cover" throughout the passage, does not mean hair. In the verse where Paul says that a woman's hair is a covering, he uses a completely different word, peribolaion. If Paul meant to say that a woman's hair performs the function of katakalypto, then why does he say that it's a peribolaion?
I am aware of no evidence whatsoever that katakalypto can mean long hair in Greek. Feel free to provide any reputable Greek lexicon that suggests that katakalypto can mean long hair. There is none that I know of. There's a reason why all reputable Bible translations translate it "cover."
I don't have time to write up an extensive response to your view. Fortunately, a thoughtful Evangelical has done so already. I recommend this video by Mike Winger: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html I don't agree with quite everything about his view, but he shows clearly what katakalypto means.
Furthermore, nobody in the history of Christianity interpreted this passage as you do except in modern times. Is your modern interpretation better than the interpretations of all the native speakers of Koine Greek who grew up steeped in the teachings of the apostles, just a few decades or a few hundred years after the apostles taught? In other words, do you know Greek better than a native speaker? Or how can you think your interpretation is a better one?
If we aren't convinced yet, Paul says that all the churches had the practice/tradition that he was talking about. So we can look at what the early church was doing, to see what Paul was talking about. The early church taught that women should wear head coverings--that was the practice that all the churches were doing: ruclips.net/video/oflUWLFXyfI/видео.html
I bear you no ill will. I'm sure you honestly believe your view, and you have a right to hold and give your own opinion. I'm only replying because many people today are looking for ways to reinterpret 1 Cor 11 so that they don't have to do what the Bible says. I mean, who really wants to do something as counter-cultural as head covering? We would all rather just do what society around us does. Unfortunately, what society believes makes no difference on what God asks us to do.
If someone wants to reinterpret this passage so they don't have to obey God, that's on their own head. However, many of them use your interpretation to lead astray even people who are willing to serve God, whatever it takes. Those are the people I'm concerned about.
-Lynn
I think your straining out the gnat & swallowing the camel! You talked about custom’s….is it a custom in our Western culture for a woman to wear a head covering? Just as circumcision become an issue in the first century congregation’s….1 Cor. 9:20-22 Paul became all thing’s to all people, so he might gain a few. That was the problem with the Pharisees….they were more concerned about weighing people down with the law, Jesus said my yoke is easy & my load is light, Matt. 11.
Please stop making rules for people & just direct them to the love of Jesus!!!
I'm saying this is from Jesus because Paul says they are commands from the Lord in 1 Cor 14:37. If you decide they are rules I'm giving and not from the Lord Jesus, that is between you and Jesus.
@@SoundFaithChannel any thoughts on men's modesty and Godly dress? Or you only have time to make a thousand teachings on an obvious good thing that is clearly prescribed in the NT? Yes the head covering is wonderful. Next subject. Maybe men's dress and modesty? That's a subject never covered by you all
@@busterolney7215 At the time of the release of this video, we only had 100 videos. Other than part one in this series, none were about women's modesty that I'm aware of.
@@SoundFaithChannel the head covering is for the angels yes. But women's hair is obviously very attractive to men. And having it covered is a modesty thing. I am also looking for y'all to talk about men's dress and modesty since it is only really talked about by Muslims and Jews and Christians from countries where there are lots of Muslims and Jews. Why do you all tuck your shirt in? It's because you want to fit in the culture of the USA and keep that nice Mennonite boy image up so the customers keep rolling into the church's trailer business etc.
@Buster Olney Hi there, John! Good to hear from you again. How are things with you? -Lynn
You know, some women just come here to be educated. Please just educate. I understand that you need to give some context but site after site the teaching by men is filled with talk of contention and those that are against the movement. Please just teach those of us who want to learn Why this is in the word of God and why, according to God should we be doing it. The time spent is more valuable to me that way.
@The.Mrs. Thanks for the comment. We don't intend to be contentious, and I apologize if we came across that way. Was there anything in specific that we've said that was problematic for you? -Lynn
@FA The word translated as "covering" means "covering," not "hair." That's why all Bible translations translate it that way. Here's a really good video that deals with your objections: ruclips.net/video/keXayp7JXf4/видео.html
The author of the video has some different conclusions than we do, but he points out that the passage is clearly talking about head coverings.
-Lynn
@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter why do you hate the headcovering so much ?
@@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus No sure why you use the word "hate" when after reading the back and forth of each others comments there is no hate to be proven here. FA used several decent arguments about the head covering but you want to reduce all that effort to hate. Let's try to play fair here ok people and not provoke emotions? Otherwise you look like the bad guy here.
@Robert Miller Definitely agree--let's play fair. However, you may not be aware that FA posts these arguments all over the place. The effect is a bit dizzying and could feel unfair to people like @Romans (E.J.). -Lynn