Osmose // The 7 Stages of Ownership
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Don't be scared - The Osmose isn't like other synths... but its nothing to be afraid of! In fact it feels like we're entering a new more enlightened era. One where we can show more emotions... let's not call it a woke synth though, I could get in all sorts of trouble ;) Would it wear a pink cowboy hat if going to watch barbie? who knows - but it does display A LOT of emotion and dynamics.
Just for fun I've swapped the 7 stages of grief to the 7 stages of enlightenment - because you do go through a process as you play with it. I haven't whitewashed over the negatives either as its all part of the journey. The software can be a b*tch at first, and its so frustrating that a few tweaks to the manual would've saved me a day or so of headscratching.
Overall though... phwoar!!
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0:00 1 Shock - overview of the hardware
2:11 2 Realisation - whats MPE and how does it work
12:22 3 Conceptualisation - how to use it & controlling the sensitivity
15:21 4 Understanding - getting to grips with the Haken Editor
24:58 5 Rejection - some minor issues and some bigger ones
32:29 6 Acceptance - integrating into your studio
33:12 7 Enlightenment - Sunny Uplands of Synthershire
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The Osmose is one of the most inspiring instrument I've ever played. The only keyboard that can compete with my guitars on that front.
Not true, a keytar can play like an axe and you can even shred it by playing it upside down.
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Hey Starsky,
Thank you for this video. I got on the Osmose Kickstarter and I'm glad I did. I need to experiment more with using it as a controller for my MPE synths, though the built in engine sounds great.
I appreciate your discussion about the editor. I haven't even installed it on my machines yet because it looks so counter intuitive. Editing and storing presets on the unit itself is a breeze, of course. In some ways, this reminds me of what it must have been like when the DX7 first came out. People tended to use that as a preset machine. I hope we'll see some more 3rd party Osmose patches.
I want one of these so bad , this is one of the coolest I’ve seen . A lot of customization but with everything it does you could do almost anything it seems
Priceless. Mine came in May. I've been circling the editor and learning about it. The Facebook leader has a cookbook, and has made a number of videos. It's synth quirks are much more understandable if you learn the Haken history. It's another language made for a different instrument, but it can do incredible things with this one. Haken and EE are small teams. They have delivered a new world to us for very low money. They don't have time to translate, or even the perspective to put the stuff in our terms. That's OK, because I think YT channels will come, and those guys will also make a living. :)
I agree - it’s a small team, but they could make life easier for folks very easily. If they just put a link to the cookbook in the download packs everyone can benefit, not just those who find it. An oversight that’s easily rectified.
@@StarskyCarr The cookbook has evolved since the spring deliveries. It's come from the guy who has the "EaganMatrix Programming" channel. It's never taken a search expert to find resources, but it has taken time and patience. Fiddling through without the manual, as you've discovered, is hazardous. It's the bleeding edge. You and me, for once, are actually on it.
Best 'big picture' video I've seen on this (and I've seen them all). Still waiting for mine - only six months so far. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't work been done on a much more accessible editor for musicians rather than scientists - big opportunity for somebody, ditto with the manual. This is just the start.
I have been waiting for your review of this keyboard!
You are very honest on how you review things.
I ordered mine about 2 months ago.
So at some point I get it.
Great video !
Glad you took the time to do this. Best review so far. One thing that is strange to me is why I haven’t yet found a demo of playing the SWAM instruments with an Osmose. I would think both Audio Modeling and Expressive E would be interested in showing that off. Or at least someone would be showing off why those companies aren’t interested in showing it.
Benn Jordan just released a video about physical modelling and has a section where he uses Osmose to control SWAM, though he doesn't highlight the Osmose as a controller - but it does show that it seems to work quite well with it.
@@bricelory9534 do you have a link to that video? I'm interested in the Audio Modeling plugins and the Osmose, and I'd love to see them working together
I'm expecting my Osmose around December, so this was a really useful preview - thank you! I've already watched some tutorials about the Eaganmatrix, and although it's definitely not for the casual user, it's also not quite as complicated as it first appears (which admittedly might not be saying much!). I do think they should write some sort of "beginner's mode" wrapper for it to allow a more familiar method of connecting the internal modules together. It would be a nice way to start making a patch, fine-tuning it later in the expert mode. It would save a lot of time, I think.
I'll probably be using mine as a studio controller as well as a synth. I have a Linnstrument at the moment, and I love that as well (I'm never selling it!). But I've always been a keyboardist so I suspect Osmose will suit me better when I'm playing more technically demanding material.
I think a lot of people buying one, myself included, are planning to also use it as a master controller for the rest of their gear (which makes it a bit easier to justify the purchase to your spouse 😂)
Not just a great overview video, but a nice 7 stage analysis of not just the Osmose, but MPE in general. Really liked the way you described the analogy of different pins having different resistance on the hardware unit is like the different formulas of the synth engine matrix programming. A great, and simple way to think of the Eaganmatrix routing. I also appreciate the flaws/cons you mentioned, which if nothing else helps out those (most) of us who are not familiar with the Eaganmatrix engine. Whether it's the manual descriptions of concepts, or like in the early 80's with DX/FM synthesis, it's a way different approach to programming than typical subtractive(or additive) synthesis.
Hope they create a better/easier to understand user interface down the road, but even as a preset machine, it's so massively expressive, that using it as a preset machine is far from limiting. The synth is easily as expressive as nearly any acoustic instrument from trumpet to guitar to violin to drum/percussive that if feels like not just a keyboard, but a wholly new and unique instrument.
One note I would add to your review, though I have not tried my Osmose with external gear yet, I've read and seen videos by others on RUclips, that there really isn't any "velocity" data from the hardware keyboard interface, at least as midi historically has generated velocity from midi keyboards that most players are used to experiencing. The X-Y-Z components of the Osmose (and most other MPE controllers like the Seaboard) are in X-Pitchbend-Y-Forward/Backward slide (as on a Seaboard)-Z-Aftertouch (poly AT as we generically refer to it.) Velocity is similar to the Tap function of the Osmose but not exactly the same thing. When used with external gear, synth patches need to be re-programmed to basically not worry/consider velocity, but rather the Osmose first pressure touch of Y requires a modulation routing programmed to the modulation of the Amp output level in a synth patch, as if it were velocity but using the CC#74 of Y-axis, rather than CC#7. Something to keep in mind as I've heard that using external hardware/software with the Osmose is giving low static velocity levels by default. Midi itself can be a bit confusing/complex ;).
Yeah thanks… I wish I hadn’t used the term velocity now. I was trying to keep things not too complex etc but should’ve maybe explained in more detail. Always a difficult balance - but if I’m complaining they use odd terminology I shouldn’t do it myself 🤦♂️
@@StarskyCarr Describing Osmose is indeed a difficult balance of acoustic-like simplicity, and synth engine mega-complexity. I certainly don't fault you too harsh. I've seen some (other) reviewers complain about the envelopes on Osmose and how they wish the macros would allow access to ADSR levels. Other than Release time, (props to you for deciphering the manual, LOL), there really aren't any envelopes. How you dynamically press/play the key is the envelope. After that, it really does go deep into the weeds :) I definitely need to hook the Osmose up to the Nymphes!
Never thought of the Nymphes.. nice idea :)
@@unclemick-synths Never thought of that, but makes total sense. A wind instrument player IS the envelope. In the old days (pre-midi) gate and CV were the norm and they triggered the sound envelope(s). With MPE becoming the norm, maybe the new generation of synths will have a special MPE mode where envelopes can be toggled on and off. If they're off, then a new set of response parameters become available to control filter and amplifier modulation routings with gate/cv or midi CC#'s.
Loved the vid--especially the editor piece. Im lucky enough to own both the Osmose and the Roli Seaboard. While I agree that the Osmose is (initially) MUCH easier to play than the Seaboard, the Roli has a distinct edge in the area of slide and glide. With the Osmose, you may also notice some "key clacking'" in lateral key movement when invoking vibrato, etc. That said, they are both killer MPE controllers! :)
Smashing video, Starsky! Being primarily a bassist myself, the Osmose Expressive E seems to be most analogous to a "fretless keyboard" (or maybe that's a better analogy for the Roli Seaboard series? 🤷♂). I'd be lying if I wasn't tempted to - at the very least - try one out!
But I have to thank you for taking the time to explain the Haken Editor! If I were to just look at it, I would be ABSOLUTELY LOST (much like my still-beginner-synth-brain is with my Uno Synth Pro's Mod Matrix 🙃🫠), but now it makes SOO much more sense! Keep up the stellar work, and cheers from across the pond!
That's probably the most helpful video out there if you're thinking about getting an osmose. Thanks for doing it!
A fascinating instrument. I owned a CS80 years back and it astounds me that Yamaha didn't do this decades ago. Great explanation, thanks.
Did you sell it for 60 thousand dollars?
Or live to regret selling it too soon? ;)
I can't imagine that kind of appreciation ever happening again.
Thanks SO much for taking the time and effort to give us an in-depth overview of the Osmose! I own one, and my"Voiyage of Discovery" has followed a similar path. My initial reaction was disappointment with the sound - BUT, that changed when I started to understand and use the expressive features unique to the Osmose. I'm a jazz/blues player, and I'm using some of the E Piano and Clav sounds to play live: Those sounds are really effective and - with pitchbend and vibrato - add a new and exciting dimension to uptempo grooves. I'm about to do a much simpler video showing my jazz/blues work with the Osmose. Meanwhile, I'll continue to explore the new avenues Osmose is opening for me. Aloha and Mahalo!.
I appreciate your post. A couple of my friends bought this and couldn't wait to get it. Months later they hardly touch it, but they aren't keyboard players like yourself. When they showed it to me, I wasn't impressed with the sound engine and found much of what I was hearing to be off putting. I think maybe this is really geared for advanced players who would also appreciate it the most..
You're a star for staying with this thing to bring a genuinely insightful breakdown.
My impression is that it brings intuitive expression and unusable programming.
But half of expression is in patch design...
Bad user manuals make me want to shout at things lol it's like they exhausted themselves getting the thing finished and just phoned in the instructions.
Plenty of room for improvement; which will come.
This is the best review of the osmose I've seen. I think they priced it very fairly for the innovative quality you get. There are synths that cost way more but I'm not sure they give the artistry of this
High praise indeed.. thanks :)
I`m truly amazed with Osmose. It somehow cures GAS for wanting lots of old gear, and makes you going with the future into unexplored terrritory.
Nice "touch" love the 7 stages idea. By the way Osmose doesn't use velocity, but "pressure" mapped as Z. It allows you to create an envelope for each key manually. I'm at stage 5 at the moment. But slowly getting through it learning the EaganMatrix. There is also a great EaganMatrix cookbook manual with many clarifying examples.
An ha… I’ll have to check it out, cheers. And yeah I should said pressure rather than velocity
Slight correction, it can use velocity too, but most patches are primarily based on deflection and then pressure (Z/pressure and Y respectively on the Continuum.)
Lovely colossus you've got in the back there, Sir... Osmosis makes me think of a pet you just want to cuddle every day all the time...
I was one of the early buyers... Admittedly I sold mine on as I had qualms on the overall build and harshness of the sound engine (though to be honest I guess many will be using it primarily as a controller)... overall though I have to commend Expressive E for just trying to do something different... the next iterations of this will be really quite something I feel. We're in exciting new territory... can you imagine something like this and the Synthplant 2 plug in for example?!
Absolutely the fullest review available now. Thanks.
That's a great guide to this amazing keyboard. I notice you snuck in a couple of lines from "The Cutter" by Echo and the Bunnymen, just after 24:00. It took me a couple of moments to recognise as it was slightly out of context 😉 I've yet to get to part 5 - Rejection, in the video but I doubt if it's going to be enough to put me off. Great video! Thanks very much 😃
Thank you SO VERY MUCH for pointing out issues/problems beginning at around @25:00
The text to phase one was so poetic and hypnotic, I almost ordered one in a dreamlike state 🥹😃🤩 Glad I followed the video through all phases. I suffered with the main character. And I feel the relief and calmness that follows the last phase. Without ever touching the instrument. That’s a great concept!👍👍👍🤓😉😅
Wow the tilting in the keys to bend the pitch reminds me of the Yamaha CS30, the keyboard has only a tiny metal sheet in the key that connects to a cable, the rightmost the contact point the higher the pitch and the leftmost the lower, so if you moved a little the keys had a very little and barely noticeable change in the pitch, it worked better with the black keys as it seemed to be a little more spaced than the white ones
Haha, loved the little Echo & The Bunnymen riff in there ;)
🤫😂😂 I was a HUGE fan.
@@StarskyCarrI was about to ask about that. The first four albums are impeccable.
i really hope expressive e makes an update to the eaganmatrix software to be easier to learn and use
I think once you’ve got to grips with it it will fall into place. It’s the initial learning curve that’s not helped by the literature. I think that would be the quickest and easiest way to make it more accessible to most for a starter.
I’m already ready for the osmose 2 to come out. Main wishlist. Snappier sound changing. A 61 key version. Built in music stand attachment points (either upwards for iPads or flat for laptops). And maybe a few other nice to have as like scene selection, and a lot more sounds including classic instruments.
I would totally enjoy using one of these, and could see my self getting lost into the editor. It’s a lot unlike what I currently own, and for that reason alone, I love it. Do I see my self buying one any time soon? No, and I’m not really sure if it applies to me. It’s more for an actual musician or movie score/sound designer. One thing is for sure, I’d probably find my self using a lot. So in a nut shell I wanna keep this in the back of my consciousness and see where it goes. Great review btw!
I just don't understand the "harshness" observations I've seen in various places. Mine sounds unbelievably good; my bandmates spent considerable time with it and immediately felt the same. It sounds lush not harsh, and your recording here is one of the few on YT to do it justice. Have to add 💯🔥 for the opening DUNE reference. On point, that!
Getting mine on Thursday!
I've got one of these on pre order. Delivery date, January 1st 2024. What a way to start the year. By the way, I'm not a skilled musician... at all. Feel a little like an imposter after watching the Osmose trailers. The musicians in that, their passion was so contagious I just had to do it.
I’d love to hear more about Osmose as a Hydrasynth controller when you get there! 😁
Hydrasynth, amongst others … Aren’t Sequential synths responsive to MPE … ?!
Iridium is also MPE capable
It's been speculated that eventually a more user friendly software interface will eventually be released. My keys can pitch bend 96 semi tones if I set it that way internally however it can only do whatever an external synth allows.
phenomenal. can we make this the standard please.
The Slate & Ash stuff would be ideal for this keyboard.
I was lucky enough too be the first too get one in England and it really is a beautiful piece of gear but does take a lot of time and practice and tweaking to set up to your own taste .
A few plugins that integrate perfectly with it are -
Massive x
Pigments
Roli studio
Equator
You really need try it out with those it breaths new life into these oldish vsts .
Another thing is it will also add mpe too plugins and synths which don’t have mpe support.
It Varys synth to synth but it can control many parameters on each key ..so for example you can map it so as you press harder on the key it will open a filter or add more lfo and as you bend you can map left and right as separate parameters .
If you don’t want mpe you can turn that off on the osmose and use it as a normal controller.
Another thing many people don’t talk more about is you have a few pedal inputs on the back and these too can control inependant parameters as well as each key.
You can set it so the sustain pedal will sustain a note and it will be pitch perfect then any notes you play on top can all be bent but the pedal note will still be in key.
With your other foot if you have a expression pedal you can use that too open and close the filter .
It’s really crazy what you can do with it🎉
Unfortunately I’ve had mine in storage for last 4 months because I’m in process of moving and can’t wait too get it out and play again
Interesting what you say about the pedals, as I noticed some cool stuff like it depends when you press a sustain pedal on what is sustained eg pressure can be held or not etc.
Still waiting for someone to show how this keyboard is pretty stunning when used with traditional ethnic instruments - I saw I brief video some time ago, with an Indian musician playing what sounded like a Bansuri (Indian flute) on the Osmose. It sounded beautiful. Unfortunately, I've never seen anyone demo it again on the Osmose.
I can’t wait for mine to arrive next month. I’ve dreamt about the expressiveness of a stringed instrument in keyboard form.
Well… production is delayed due to logistics and I might not have it for another month or two 😭
The Nord Modular also has different clock rates for audio signals vs control signals: this is very common in software synths to save compute power, you don’t want to spend CPU cycles updating LFOs and envelopes at 48kHz.
True but my point was that the labelling isn’t clear. So after trying all sorts of combinations of numbers and x10, x100 etc to get to kHz, meanwhile dealing with constant crashes I was having while accidentally knocking the z axis graph below zero when testing different settings, it was a real slog to get to it.
@@StarskyCarr Absolutely, and there’s no doubt that this is a pretty complicated synth to learn. Another problem with physical modelling is estimating the parameter values to use, they often have a pretty narrow band and complex interactions with each other.
Well i have one for almost 6 months now. In the end i believe it' forte is live performance. I have other mpe controllers, and i can't say i am ecstatic over this. I mean as well built as it is, either the control or the sound of it will make my music better.
Great video! Is this future, or will it fail to change the game? I'm not making predictions on that.
the keyboard as an MPE controller without that sound engine/editor, would sell like hotcakes.
The engine harmonises so so well with the keyboard which makes a difference to use with plug ins. Anyway I’m using is stand alone on stage and it’s got all inside. As well I use it as a controller only. I guess it’s perfect how it is. A fantastic piece of art!
The sound engine is awesome but I think Doepfer LMK4+ would be a wiser choice for the amount of currency. Obviously a personal choice and excited to see what people do with this.
That’s a standard piano style keybed isn’t it? Not MPE?
@@StarskyCarrYes sir, master keyboard with the Fatar 40 graded hammer action and 8 zones (different velocity and AT per), presets. Different thing altogether besides the asking price in the states.
Looking forward to what you and others do with this nonetheless.
I have had the Osmose for about 2 months and the thing that is making it a deal breaker for me is that the reverb cannot be totally shut off even on bass patches. I set the global and individual reverb to zero and it is still is there. If anyone knows what I am doing wrong that owns one please chime in. On the GS forums no one has a solution.
This is the only keyboard that got me excited as much as the CS-80 for its feel and sound palette. If it was analog and had a ribbon and another octave, it would have been the king of all synths ever made. Hopefully Osmose 2!
Polybrute 12, hold my beer.
Got mine yesterday! I've been trying the presets and I have to say the plucked ones are far and away the best group. So wonderful to play! I feel like a lot of the presets are kind of overblown, though so far I've been listening on headphones while I make sure it all works, so perhaps it won't sound as "full" on nice monitors. I notice that it came with an EQ tilt curve that was very bass-heavy. I wonder whether that's to make demos sound better?
How are you getting on with yours now? Have you had many sensor faults on boot-up? I've had one already, though I've not updated the firmware yet so I'm not going to complain until I've given it a chance :)
Hopefully this is, as you say, the start of the MPE revolution. What I'd like to see next is the microtonal revolution, but that's another story...
Quick update: it sounds much better on speakers, now that I've flattened the EQ curve. Also, it's possible I was only seeing faults because I hadn't correctly inserted the power supply plug. OOPS!
damn these videos !!!! for making me crave the Osmosis !!!!!
Very poetic! Makes me want one!
Excellent walk through.
Thanks.
I'm going to sell my Oberheim Xpander and buy one of these for sure
Thanks for the detailed experience.
This isn't a synth imo, it's an instrument that begs to be played, the way you play it is how you get the different timbres, which result in a unique sounding non traditional keyboard approach.
Hammer away and you get percussive sounds from the same patch that, with gentle gestures, you can get evolving pads.
Simple brilliant.
@@unclemick-synths I don't think many understand the essence of your post, to me it's exacting what a theremin did for electronic instruments BUT it took almost 100 years to apply to synthesizers.
The new OS update fixes the lag. Available now. I have two Osmose units. One has polished looking keys and the second one has dull non-polished looking keys. Not sure why they switched keys at some point.
Nice demo, brother. I want one!
One day I'll own the Osmose, when i do, i hope I hope i can learn how to dive deep into making great presets with the Haken Audio software, i suspect in time the software will be updated and improved and other MPE plugins are looking to be really appealing as well, Phase Plant for example looks really appealing for MPE controllers such as the Osmose, also i want the Vector Synth if i wanted a hardware synth
What fun!
I truly have never wanted anything as much as that instrument lol. I tried to ignore it like "the gas will pass. Let's see if the hype fog passes" but it's just such a beautiful futuristic instrument that i could imagine in Start Trek lol
The haken matrix seems to be a great engine. And this is the most cost effective way to get it. 😊
This is a great instrument, but the ROLI Seaboard has the upper hand where you can Slide and Glide which is superb for expression.
I play the seaboard for several years now and got used to but the Osmose is just great and since I got it my Roli is almost abandoned
Pair OSMOSE with a Haken Continuum suspended right behind and above the keys and a Expressive E Touche' next to it. Best of all worlds.
Game-changer, would be superb with a Hydrasynth engine or Peak osc’s dropped in for the analogue tones, wavetables etc. Also what a top video Starsky, BTW is that Analogue Solutions there for keeps? If so you deserve it for all your great content. Keep it coming
🤞 that Peak/Summit get MPE support at some point so you could at least use an Osmose as a controller...
Cheers… I’m hoping Tom from AS forgets where he left it 😂
Did they fix the laggy screen issue? I feel amazed by the sounds this thing can great but i'm not sure whether I should get this the roli seaboard, an ableton push 3 or a hydrasynth to get mpe. Do you need to be a good player or can you get amazing results just messing around and experimenting? I would never edit anything in that software apart from tweak the macros - it seems awful.
Hell yeah, Starsky baby, always to the end. That synth sounds so amazing and the programming possibilities are so intriguing. I would love to have that synth. Does it have a randomizer in the software?
No randomizer.
@@DaveBessell I hope they add that. it would open it up X1000000
It sounds like the generated frequencies exceed the sample rate and aliasing is occurring, causing audible artifacts. That should be a simple update via firmware.
This is exciting.
13:13 - on a fretless keyboard mind the intonation!
Great innovation and can’t wait to try it. However the presets don’t sound very good. Most sound gimmicky and unsure whether they are really usable in reality…?
Maybe I’ve pulled out the more gimmicky ones to demo the functionality and what it can do compared to ‘normal’ synths - but yeah there are a lot of tones with the LFO rate modulated by Z etc. … it’s one reason I wanted to build some patches from scratch (to compare to other stuff in my head)… hence my frustration with the instructions!
Two of my friends bought this with much anticipation and excitement. Months later they hardly touch the thing or even a talk about it. They aren't keyboard players however. But when they showed me it, i wasnt turned on by most of the patches and honestly found lots of them off putting. Cool design though and probably fun to play for advanced players. But imo, no amount of expression will make difference if you're not enjoying the sound you're listening to.
I'm at stage zero "Available in 10 to 13 weeks"
Looks like a nice instrument. Does it hold up against the Roli Seaboard? Seems a bit more restrictive, albeit more traditional with a classier appearance..
It is slightly more restrictive. For example, you need to set the bend amount per patch (from 0-96 semitones) so you can't just slide across everything at anytime, and you need to pass through the X axis to get to the Y. I think, however, that making it more traditionally playable is a worthy compromise. If you only want to use it for orchestral tones perhaps the Role would be a better choice, but for a wider range of control this squeezes through the posts.
I hope they release a version with their Touche pad controller integrated. Seems it would be ideal for helping do long chord pitch glides or more nuanced modulations. Even better if it's an improved version that copies the Poly12's Morph pad's XY touch control, so it can also double as a touch strip. More potential mod sources is always better, imo.
There are plenty of practical reasons why MPE keyboards don't catch on.. the most obvious thing is that they're expensive. That's not a huge deal, since musicians are used to that.. but they're also complicated. Not just complicated to play with proficiency, but mechanically complicated; that is, there is a lot more to break. Each key has aftertouch and pitch bend, meaning at least 3x the complexity of a standard keybed. I'm personally not even thrilled with aftertouch keyboards. Imagine trying to sell one of these after years of use, having to list which keys don't work at all, which keys the velocity sensitivity is off, which keys the aftertouch is dodgy, which keys the pitch bend is broken.
It's a cool concept, but there are definitely reasons why it doesn't work outside of niche (or even gimmick) products. A guitar is relatively simple. Trying to give guitarlike features to a keyboard is immensely complicated.
The fact that there are many more companies making them says you are completely wrong....i'm a guitar player and I love my MPE Roli Seaboard...
@@paulusandronicus The fact that hardly anybody has one says it will remain that way for the foreseeable future.
I think you're being a little harsh on the sound editor. How else should this matrix structure with the functions at the connection points be mapped?
But what I would like would be if you could turn on animations of the connections while playing so you can better understand the flow.
Based on my own experiments, I recommend starting with very simple things and really understanding them first. I also recommend taking a good look at the Eagan Matrix cookbook. There are many important examples and explanations for practice
I actually edited out a lot of stuff with the editor not doing things you would expect - things like loading the tutorials doesn’t work for me etc. I toned it down a lot from my first edit. I still figured most stuff out (still waiting back in support for others). It’s just not as intuitive as everything else. I’m not saying the matrix is bad, it makes sense - but the literature and other bits let it down. I did start with really simple things - but like I demo’d the filter cutoff took hours to figure out, the release was a pita etc I’ve got it now but it shouldn’t have taken anywhere near the time it did. What I find frustrating is other people will have a similar experience and a lot will give up - that’s a real shame. It’s better than it presents itself.
And the Eagan cookbook should be in the Downloads. I’ve never heard of it before the comments in this video. I’ve searched for manuals, tutorial, instructions etc. it never appeared. Again just an example of not organising and presenting stuff as well as it could be. The fact there’s a cookbook and I spent 2 days doing pretty simple stuff is infuriating tbh 🤦♂️😂
@@StarskyCarr there are a lot of good youtube tutorial videos. ruclips.net/video/3Ws7wtJdu8k/видео.html
@@StarskyCarr I really appreciate these notes as I've been eyeing this sweet baby since it was first teased. I've watched literally every review of it. Definitely this is the best overview on the Eagen Matrix editor; your explanation is as simplified as it can be. Especially appreciate you seeking a balanced appraisal; for the price you're absolutely right you shouldn't have to go searching as you have for basic info.
Hopefully Expressive E/Hakken can take on your feedback. Seriously great job, and thanks again!
Have you discovered why some of the black keys don't bend consistently? I still have a couple that aren't right after updating the firmware and letting it calibrate several times
I've not noticed that. I'll have to have more of a play with it.
I have reached out to support, but on my unit the Eb in the 3rd octave doesn't bend up unless you bend down first @@StarskyCarr
Have they improved the power supply/socket? 61 keys would be great.
This one sound so great 🥰
Thx for the awesome review.
Great video! but I want to clarify that the first centimeter is aftertouch, and the second part of the travel is equivalent to the Y axis movement on the Seaboard.
that's correct
The sound engine sounds a bit like the Yamaha DASS (Dual Architectural Synthesis System) from the 90s.
It's cool that we're finally moving beyond the obsession with sound engines to making more expressive and playable instruments. And keyboard instruments definitely needed an update to make full expressive use of the engines we have now, especially the digital ones. They have been stuck in a piano keyboard paradigm (pus limited aftertouch). So yeah, seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth century. The thing about the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries though, is that they wrote the best music. Their instruments had limited scope, but the music is amazingly expressive. Where's the repertoire for these synths?
What kind of synthesis does it use? Additive or physical modelling perhaps?
It does many kinds of synthesis - additive, various kinds of physical modelling, subtractive, FM, AM, a type of granular, phase modulation, convolution - those are the ones I've found so far!
@@DaveBessell Sounds very complex
Does the Osmose Expressive E have what sounds like a theremin patch?
This sounds amazing! I’m a guitarist and in no way a keyboard player and I want one!
incredible review!
Is there an anti-aliasing filter somewhere in the EagenMatrix to fix up your sawtooth wave?
I’ll check the manual 😂
@@StarskyCarr Mine showed up. Fun to play but I see what you mean about the software and the manual. 🤯
@@klavtech2715 😂 have fun. There's a 'cookbook' on their Facebook page apparently - I've not found it yet, which may help with the editor. I've no idea why a link isn't provided in the manual, or if its any use.... but hopefully it can save a couple of hours of head scratching.
@@StarskyCarr In the Haken Editor itself if you click on the settings gear there is a link to the manual and the cookbook. The cookbook is similarly bewildering!
For the price. Why didn't they add an internal DC adapter & an AC peanut plug? You can own a Guinea pig and that wallwort plug is going down.
Great idea with stages! Thanks! But my stage is the waiting stage.I'll wait until all the bugs are dead. And, to be honest, this stage has always helped me out)
There’s not that many bugs and nothing which would hinder you in any way .
Mine came with a really buggy firmware and couldn’t use it for first few weeks until an official firmware came out but since that update it’s been rock solid
Great!Thanks!The fact that we had to wait only a couple of weeks for the new firmware is a good sign for users and causes unconditional respect for the manufacturer. (greetings from Roland). But the waiting stage can be justified by the technological novelty of the keyboard... Anyway, my human life is short
@@ivanskunov9166 There are a few small bugs but as said above nothing that will get in the way of using and enjoying the machine.
what type of synthesis engine is this? Looked on the website and didnt really understand what they were tying to say. The main thing stopping me from getting one is desk space.
It is called the EaganMatrix and is designed for sustained modulation. I've not used it yet, but seems promising. The best way to probably understand it is to download it and dissect some existing patches.
osmose is most expressive synth
but i dont think i could learn the maths😢
My maths is not good but I found my way around the editor OK. There are a lot of different types of synthesis available though so don't expect to learn how to use them all immediately.
You haven’t mentioned anything about how well……or not……this will integrate with other software?….You touch on it at the very end. Any chance you could do a piece on any well known software synth/instrument integrating with the Osmose?…A great instrument but very little info re this……I’d buy one tomorrow if I knew for certain it was reasonably easy to use with other plugins etc…I’m not talking mind blowing facilities just your bog standard…vib…bends..volume..portamento etc…
Lovely review
It's a unique and really really solid instrument, but it comes with quite significant drawbacks and features that other MPE controllers have done equally well or way better at a reduced price too (see Roli Seaboard, Joue Play, Linnstrument, Artiphon Instrument 1 etc). The most obvious one is that you can't access the pitch bend without first triggering pressure. Also, you can't access aftertouch without first triggering all of pressure. So, what independence of gestures and expression are we talking about? 😂
It can do a lot of other things pretty well and the synth engine looks pretty interesting and powerful for sound design, but its expressiveness is nothing that groundbreaking that hasn't been done before in the end.
to bardzo interesujący sposób syntezy
SO...I thought that Osmose would be able to do what lazy Roli wasn`t able to accomplish but now I see it has its own set of bugs...maybe MPE isn`t ready yet.
A synth porn channel that will also teach you trifles like "swapping the seven stages of grief to the seven stages of enlightenment." Not bad!
Yes mate!!!
You’re spot on about the Roli.
I REALLY need to see this in the DAW
I’m using Logic and it’s not great tbh. Apparently that’s a Logic thing, but it’s too hard to identify who/what’s at fault and I didn’t want to misspeak if I was doing g something wrong. I see MPE as a live performance tool, and for recording live - but need to dig deeper into automation.
@@StarskyCarr Oh man... PLEASE do let us know what you find out. A LOT of us non-instrumentalists want a way to drive this into tools such as Scaler 2 and other sketching tools to aid us in expressing our songs (especially those of us who are lyric writers with no strong music theory under our belts). It could be an INCREDIBLE tool if we could have access to it...
But a huge part of that (I feel), is calling out problems with interoperability, because many of us (especially who only began during the pandemic) either need to know the flaws/drawbacks of the issues, or need the developers to address the problems so that we ALL have an opportunity to use the tool (based upon the general standard usecases of "most currently produced MIDI instruments as a base reference), and not being edged out because of arbitrary scopes of understood use-cases by a deveoloper. :-)
Personally I feel that they should send a few machines to people in my usecase range (even if only as a loaner) to provide objective feedback to the Dev team, to help catalyze their resolutions on the Production/Recording side, and make this a KEYSTONE instrument going into the second half of the decade.
It sounds So Fxxking Good tho❤
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want!
Arturia needs to do something like this.