Which Lishi Pick Is Best? (Plus: a New Tool Reveal and Free Giveaways!)
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2021
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![[39] How to Decode a Smart Lock with a KW1 Lishi Pick! - (Gen 1 & 2)](/img/1.gif)
Brooooo, we need an entire lore series on tools of the trade like this. The content is too good
Always appreciate whenever you are able to give the community info and tips like this
thanks! this was quite the grab bag of questions and such. glad you liked it!
Very informative. Thanks!
@@DeviantOllamgot a KW5 from you. Does not work at all. Seems like there is a problem with these tools. Either my Kwickset lock is not compatible with these Lishi tools or these are only made for special Kwickset locks and it’s a hit or miss that you will actually be buying a tool that will work for your lock. If so then it’s a scam in part because they don’t work for all Kwickset locks and it’s not explained that way. It’s made to look so easy and works so easy but only if it works on your specific lock.
Oh and the bump keys for Kwickset doesn’t even fit my door lock. Again there is something odd about all this stuff. Doubt I’ll even get a reply back or an explanation as to why this is the case. If I am shown why there is a problem then I’ll correct this comment.
@@CarAngTube please feel free to email me with photos of the lock - deviant@redteamtools.com - it definitely does sound like a strange situation, if both the lishi pick and the bump key don't even pass into the key way of the lock you're talking about, there could be something very suspicious happening with that particular walk.
@@DeviantOllam I will email you a pic of my Kwickset lock later today. I did realize that I did not order a Kwickset bump key at all. I got 2 Schlage keys instead and one Yale key. I obviously added the wrong key to the kart when shopping. Thank you for responding. Sorry it was negative. Many folks do not answer questions on their channels and it can be frustrating. It’s understood that it can be difficult for people to reply to every person when their channel gets a huge following. Anyway. I’ll send an email later today about the K5 Lishi tool and the lock I used. I do have a lot to learn. I am even trying to figure out if my Kwickset door nob is a 5 pin or a 6 pin. Not sure how to figure that out. I tried the lock with the spacer as well as no spacer. In fact the area that the spacer slides onto. If that spacer was not on the tool. I still could not get that last part of the tool to go into the lock. Only up to that last part that the spacer slides onto. Anyway will be in touch later today.
@13:53 Really good point. I did all my practicing with my Lishi picks in a comfy chair, holding the locks in the perfect position. I got to where I could open any lock they fit into in under 1 minute, and once I figured out the picking order, that dropped to 5-6 seconds. The first time I actually had to take my Lishi out into the real world, I found myself crouched down, knees digging into the sidewalk, in the pitch dark using my cars headlights to see, with roaches scurrying around me. All of the sudden, the 30 minutes I had to get the lock open by was hanging over me like a guillotine and my confidence virtually disappeared. Talk about a whole different experience!
LPL never mentions this
Here's an old video by BosnianBill about picking locks under stress: ruclips.net/video/Io2c5m0BMGA/видео.html
:-P
Today I learned that in Europe we put locks in the other orientation. Would never have guessed that your locks are installed upside down form ours.
Hello from France
When I got into the locksmith business (US), I was taught that the pins always go up so that there's less chance of dirt, water, or other foreign materials getting into the cylinders and causing problems. But a google search gives me no definitive reason why it's opposite in Europe.
Bonjour d'Amérique !
@@tequilacollins my theory (based on nothing but living in europe) is that when switching from lever-tumbler locks (which have the mechanism above the key to avoid dirt) to pin-tumbler locks, people were used to inserting the key "bitting down" and that maybe there was more legacy in lever-tumbler locks in europe to warrant not upsetting that "muscle memory".
note: lever-tumbler locks actually still see a lot of use on "inside" doors, even in new homes.
Pretty much every room (bathroom/basement/bedroom/...) is lockable with a lever-tumbler lock
Though only place where they actually see a decent amount of use is in bathrooms, where the key is left on the inside of the door so you can lock it to protect your privacy from other occupants of the home.
Another use of this "feature" I've seen is locking the door to the basement to prevent children from opening the door and falling down the stairs.
note2: there seems to even be a significant market for dimple locks with the dimples "on the side" just so that the key inserts vertically (instead of horizontally on most dimple locks), "because that's how a key is supposed to work".
tldr: both lever and pin-tumbler locks get mixed: both insert the key "bitting down"
@@NotAMinifig Yeah, hell, in our house, even the 'new' (from 2019) doors have lever tumbler locks, all of our doors, except the main and a door after the main entrance, have lever tumbler.
It really depends. My back door has the doorknob lock upside down. My sister's front door is installed upside down, too. Usually happens when someone other than a locksmith or properly trained homeowner installs a doorknob 🤣
The Lishis seem like fantastic additions to our toolkit for rapid non-destructive entry in the first responder / public safety world... thanks for giving me some very clear and concise info to include in my prep for pitching these to the higher ups for stocking on each rig! Here's hoping for giveaway success!
I loved how you were all, "I don't know... LET'S FIND OUT!"
As for a name for the fiddlybit... you could go with keep it simple stupid and just call it "Spacer for Lishi Picks". Or you can go with "Compatibility Adapter for Pin Disadvantaged Locks." I can't think of any wowza name.
i love discovering new things and this was a great chance to have the joy of learning
@@DeviantOllam What about Lishi Leash
I bought my first Lishi a few weeks ago. Bought one that's compatible with my vehicles. I was really surprised at just how easy it is to pick a car door lock with these! I'd imagine all the Lishi's are just as easy to use.
yeah, they're pretty great!
Which one did you buy that’s suits a lot of vehicles?
@@wojakmac1046 I bought the FO38, it works for most mid 1990's to mid 2000's Ford vehicles.
@@DeviantOllam thanks for your video. Could I ask which one I need for Kwickset door nob and Schlage as well as Yale door locks
I’m always stoked when I see the notifications for uploads.
This is great content Deviant Ollam. Well thought out format and engaging topics. Answering fan questions so thoroughly is just good social networking in full force. Cool picks, too!
Saw the red ring around one of these tools in the thumbnail and immediately got hype. Watching now!
Very cool video, even putting aside the converter collar finally being available. The microscope shots were a real eye opener!
Wouldn't it be possible to just 3d print the collar?
It wouldn't be as precise in the distance but it's not like the tool needs to be on point, you can have a little bit of a shift and it would still work great.
EDIT: Just got to the end of the video, whoops ;P
Auto Locksmith here.
Lishi tools for automotive; Changes a ~30-60 minute door or ignition removal/dissassembly & decode, into ~20-60 seconds.
Game changer.
Exactly. The success of this product line is well deserved!
This man continues to thin down while STILL getting his sup on.
Great video, finally time to pull the trigger on one of these methinks
Thanx for video. I’ve been trying to figure out the difference between the three for a while now. Your knowledge of the supply chain is most impressive.
Never thought about the lock orientation making a difference, or practicing down low and up high.
Dev you’re the best at really teaching what is going on internally of the cylinder. Good info all around! If I can ever get my shit together, I hope to attend one of your presentations. Every single one I’ve watched online has a friendly and enlightening feel to it. You da man! And the fact that you break into secure installations for a living make you a rock star! What a life! God bless!
Love all the video questions. Lishi's are a great tool, and see that it could really help increase interest in the hobby.
Love your videos , thank you for taking the time to teach us
Been looking at one as a first training tool, at least i can use the guides for a starting point. Nice one for the 3d print, really appreciated.
The SC4 is amazing. It took me a while to figure it out. I still get hung up on some deadbolts but I can honestly pick a lock in about 15 sec now with practice.
I'm not even a lock smith just learned to pick locks when I was a kid and locked out of my parents house, but I love your vids and always get stuck watching the whole thing. Your vids have me confident that I could open anything if I ever get locked out..
Been on the range teaching all week. This was a fun video to roll across as I am catching up on what all I missed.
No ND's, no one flagged any other students, no damage to the range I have to pay for and you had a fun video up to watch.
Now to pop a beer, light up a cigar, play with the dog, the log in and see what hat I'm wearing for next week.
I love your videos deviant, they're so informative and entertaining. Thank you!!
To eliminate factory flaws or the possibility of recycled pins, you should either observe the pins prior to manipulation to establish a baseline, or you should replace all pins with known-new pins from a pinning kit.
BONUS: Use Dykem blue to coat the key pins so you can see for sure which marks were made by the pick.
Dev, I love this dude. I was on the fence about getting another job of these because of all the variations. Now I feel like I can confidently start buying these. Again, here you go being the entry GOAT out there trying to help make all our skills better. Thank you for that.
Also, I have been going into a deep rabbit hole of 3D printing. In March of this year I never used one before and now I have a printer farm. Lol. For me the best way to eliminate elephant foots is a BL touch or any other Auto Bed Leveling Sensor. Even the cheap knock offs work good and there are DIY options on thingiverse. They are cheap and effective and I'm sure you can handle the firmware. If you haven't already get one and try it out.
Love this approach to questions and answers
Ooh, thats a nice little money saver there, and a particularly nice giveaway. The bits on what they do to the inside of the lock/how they sound are dang neat too.
so happy to help you out =)
Great video, very informative. Your point at the end about using a 6 pin Lishi in a 5 pin lock was actually a question I was going to ask here in the comments, so I guess it was the most important part for me! Not gonna lie though, I cringed a bit when you put that magnetic amplifier down on your laptop haha. I know it's probably not strong enough to hurt anything, but I'm sorta paranoid about that sort of scenario. And hey, cheers to your upcoming 100k subscription count!
Thanks for clearing this up for me Dev 👍🏼 hope all is well man 🤙🏼
Trying to save money to take courses and training to get into phys sec, so its always a pleasant surprise to get a Dev notification.
I actually learned a lot of picking locks from your episode appreciate that saved me a lot of money getting back in my
Always fantastic information and delightful presentation - especially the 3d printed spacer to allow the longer tools to work on the shallower locks. The Lishi tools are expensive enough that I'd been holding off, but that makes it a much more palatable proposition. Beard is looking good, stay well!
so glad to help!
Great video, Love the lishi tools. Just acquired my forth one and really enjoy them. Thanks for all this information.
The history of distribution was insightful. From watching your videos I can see you're a great teacher, experimenter and story-teller. When you mentioned Ian from Forgotten Weapons there was an A-ha! moment when I realised you both have a similar style (and appreciation of whiskey).
Indeed, Ian's a friend and Tarah and I often visit him and his wife when we're in Arizona. I love his channel. 👍
HA!, Deviant, i love how you make pouring yourself a drop a priority before getting down to the content . Brilliant.
Great videos, Dev. Please keep em coming.
This is such a great time to get into locksport. Thanks a ton for the breakdown and the good info, I've been curious about the Lishis since I bought my first pick set from LPL. Why not call it the L.E.F.D.
(Lishi Expanded Function Device)
Love the videos. I've been learning more and more so I don't have to spend much dollars on services I don't need.
Thanks for your time and videos.
so glad to save you money!
Nice work -- thanks for the info! To better assess forensic impacts, perhaps it would be helpful to disassemble and dye the pins (using layout fluid, e.g. Dykem) before finally reassembling & picking?
Just ordered the SC4, looks like I'll be using that .STL file. Thanks!
Best Lishi video. Love your thought process in every situation
The poet, the profit.... Thanks for the knowledge man... Appreciate it
finished your first book yesterday. Great stuff now starting your other book.
Dude, as an automotive technician who gets asked wild questions all day, it is soo damn refreshing to hear you say I don't know, let's find out. I'm well aware that's often the most correct answer but layman absolutely hate it and tell all their friends I don't know anything because I can't answer some far left field question off the top of my head.
Great adapter, and invaluable advice on adversity training.
For 11 years with Home Depot hardware I used to rekey locks and occasionally repair or replace parts. One thing I found was often they would have either too tall of top pin or too strong of spring, so if the bottom pin was more than a 3 it would sometimes be under tremendous pressure. Possible that could explain the craters in the pins as they look like they're made of relatively soft materials. On 3 occasions i had to repin a cylinder the hard way from the inside as we didn't have the proper tools to remove pressed in top seals or crimped on caps. Also taught myself to rebuild the Kwikset ' secure set ' homeowner rekeyable locks, takes a delicate touch. 😁👍
another brilliant video as always. The Lishi Limiter or rather, un-limiter would work well for your 3d printed collar. Cheers
I just got a SC1 and I was able to pick my Schlage locks on my doors consistently in less than a minute after about 10 minutes of learning and practicing. Awesome tool!
Which lishi pick should I get to open common American door locks and pad locks?
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We used Lishi tools for more the 10 years in the car opening scen. Great tools!
Best way to learn is to jump right in. The genuine reactions to your findings under the microscope should be inspiring to anyone that is hesitant to take the first step towards learning something new. You never know what you will discover...even those at the top of their game are still learning how things work through curious exploration.
Since discovering Lockport, maybe 18 months ago, I have wondered about forensics and the possibility of coating the picks with an ultra thin layer of a rubber-like material that would not leave marks on the pins. IMO, standard "Tool Dip" products wouldn't work, they are too thick. But I highly suspect that there is a product out there that would be thin enough, tough enough to stand up to repeated use by a professional, that would significantly lesson any marks left on the pins from picking. Obviously, this would be pretty high-speed stuff and perhaps it already exists, but it would be a cool product: Ultra tough + strong + hardness stainless steel, very thin picks and tensioners, coated with an ultra-thin, rubber-ish product. Perhaps this product would be able to be dissolved and then reapplied periodically......
Great video! Thanks for sharing. The forensic,s are very cool!
ive been wanting these Lishi tools since before you started making the collars, now that the collars exist and i dont have to mess around with printing my own I'm even more interested.
awesome, go for it soon!
I’ve been checking all of these out and they are an awesome learning device and a great invention.
yeah, they're really impressive!
Cool video, looked at these before but hadn't seen any videos on how they work. The one thing I thought of while doing the forensics on the lock. Would you get more of a divot on the end of the pin that has been picked over a pin having a key swipe, which would be more of a rounded end? Just wondering if that would be what you would look for.
Thanks for breaking it down. Learned a lot from this
so happy to educated and glad you got some good info!
Glad you straightened out all the rumors I've heard so many different stories I don't know what to believe sometimes ...
i have a question about the lishi key cutter is any one better than an other? Or is it the same as the picks
The ones without a label are maybe “Grey Lishi”? 🤣
Lots of interesting stuff. I especially liked the forensics part in this video. Haven't seen a lot of videos about this topic so far.
I would have expected to see almost nothing on the pins of a new lock. Is this normal, or did they sell you a lock with used bad quality pins? Would this lock work for ~30 years anyway, or would it turn to a metal flake collection after a year of intense daily use?
first time exposure to locking (please excuse the name, i refer to "all things about locks" as locking). i am not heavily into locking but subscribed immediately after watching this video. mind is now officially blown. i'm not into drinking at all either but i raise a virtual glass in salute to you, sir. thank you.
I'm in the UK, and I had my VW car lock decoded with something like the Lishi lockpick in late 2018. The guy then punched some numbers into a cutting machine and produced a replica. Why he didn't duplicate the auxiliary key I already had, I don't know. Great video.
I always wondered… Thanks Deviant!
It seems to me as though there might be a bit more centre marking in the pins from the Lishi picked side, but to be honest I would like to see more comparisons with different locks/pins.
Is this the guy that does those AMAZING talks about physical security vulnerabilities? If it is i definitely wouldnt want to mess with him!!!!!
I'd like to see these made for BEST locks other than just the A keyway, like the A to G blank.
I would love to see more of the forensic stuff. I tried to follow, but have no frame of reference as to what normal key operation is or what normal picking looks like under a microscope. Good stuff. Please give us more. :-)
Expect a series!
Very very helpful thanks big guy
Definitely love Lishi tools but, it seems, especially in older locks with lots of wear, that it gives me quite a challenge to get them open! I'm wanting to start a locksmithing business ( I fell in love with working on locks and it's what I really want to do) so, I have most of the residential/commercial Lishi tools but I only have a dozen for automobiles. I'm not too great doing automobiles yet!
Wow great info my friend thank you and the Lishi will look good in my EDC thanks for the opportunity to win one place a order too lol
Damn bro so I just happen to have your video pop up as I sit here making coils and hell them Lishi things look fun ...so now I think I might want to try picking a few locks now maybe just to see how easy it is. Great video although I already knew it was once the booze showed up !
If I don't win one, I am definitely buying one. I've already downloaded the STL, going to print a few this weekend. Thanks!
awesome! enjoy and good luck!
Was awesome hearing the ez amp with the lock.
hah, i'm glad it didn't blast your eardrums too much!
This may not have much to do with the current video but on some RVs or trailers that you pull behind your vehicle there is a locked accessory door that usually leads underneath the couch and since the couch can be lifted to pull out into a bed on most RVs you could feasibly get inside an RV I have personally done this once
Outstanding video! Thanks for the clarification on the supply chain. Are the tools meant for only specific manufacturers or can they be used on other lock? And if so, can they be used on locks with keyway warding?
each Lishi tool like this is designed to fit specific keyways. So a clone of Kwikset (like, say, Defiant or EZ Set which are Home Depot and K-Mart's house brands that match Kwikset, respectively) could all in theory be attacked with the KW1 or KW5 Lishi tool.
Happy National Scotch Day today Dev! Cheers!
I am a newbie in infosec who's blind and have always been interested in physical pen testing. I'd love to catch you at Defcon!
Thank you! I just received a couple of blue sticker one's form China. The KW5 is KW5 v.2. The SC4 is just still SC4.
If that dimpling is from the outbound stroke, I wonder if you can use that to decode a key - as the pin bounces over the lands of different heights
wow just wow I am not neurotypical and I had so many questions and I think you answered all of them and then some more im so happy video holds up 2 years now lol
While I don't think I'll ever buy a Lishi unless I actually get into locksmithing as a job rather than a hobby, I'm fully down to try and win one. Great video as always.
I have never wanted to get picked* for a giveaway so much.
+1 for the PM1 collar as a name for the printed piece, excellent name and sounds cool.
*Unintentional pun, but hey, I think it's a good one.
Rhyme was unintentional too, it happens sometimes when I get excited!
Great idea using the mic. You can really hear the sounds of the clicks. Thanks for sharing.
Nice one, great informative video
Great to know my Chinese bought ones are still real, even though It felt great in my hands anyway.
would love to see pictures of the pins before picking and then again after picking with the Lishi so it would be easier to see the difference. great video - thank you.
yeah, Morsel pointed out that i should polish up some of the pins first, and then re-attempt that forensics test =)
@@DeviantOllam I totally agree! I would also love to see the lishi working with a bore scope or other small macro camera shoved up the backside of the lock. I'd like to see the tip interacting with the pins as you are lifting them!
It would be great if instead of being plastic you could make the stacker out of metal so they would be magnetic. Great idea!
They are almost certainly testing the lock with a key before packing it. Occasionally, they might even need to file a pin or make a crude adjustment.
The microscope should have been used in a side by side before and after comparison to be completely valid.
Interesting video. Great subject!
Great vid!!!!!!! Whats the most multi purpose lishi tools to buy for an all around
Great info !! Thank You
Lishi's Tibbe pick/decoder is a must have for anyone doing Tibbe keys. Before cutting, set the code into the pick and try it in the door.
Awesome video Deviant!
And here I just dropped a few bills on all four of the Schlage and Kwikset picks 🙃
As for what to call it...keyway standoff? Spacing adapter? 🤔
i know nothing of lockpicking but the thumbnail on the vid intrigued me
Thank you!!
Really cool informative video man. Things that I would not have considered thinking about! Thanks!! Also, Lagavulin( ESPECIALLY 16!)is one of my fav scotches!! Right on! Have you tried the Offerman? I actually do not drink anymore(health reasons 😭) but still hold a fondness that will forever be in my heart and on my palate! I’ve been extremely curious about it but can’t rationalize buying a bottle to smell! Lol!
~Subbed~ wow that magnifier~Apollo 12 space capsule~The nose cone~LOL~Keep up the great work and happy Easter Sunday tomorrow my friend
Id call that collar a "Five pin offset".
Could Lishi as an alternative for differently pinned locks (5,8,15, whatever) have an adjustable locked in position for the tension bar at "correct" lengths. Allowing only the right amount of material into the lock and then still have an offset that feels standard so that muscle memory is less of an issue, luxury picking lol.
Enjoyable video Ollam. Keep posting please.
The world needs more Deviants! I’d love to learn from the master and work with the best in the world. Also, whiskey
lil lish for the 3D printed part hahaha
Hey @Deviantollam what is your opinion of the Sparrow Disk Pick compared to the Lishi picks? Is there a comparison? I can’t seem to catch them in-stock myself … Thanks!
Well since I already own the SC1 and KW1, we need to come up with a 3d printed contraption to stretch those out.
Is the KW1 any good for house type locks ? Thats what confuses me, all the different types
When decoding for key cutting, if the depth is "in between" (2) gauge numbers
(ie) The pin is reading between depth #4 and #3.
Do you use the top depth gauge number (4) for key cutting?
Great information on Lishi Picks thanks for that, I collect old Duncan Parking Meters that have Bell locks installed, I have picked a few with conventional Picks which can be very difficult and time consuming, I have watched a few videos with Lishi Picks being used. Dose Lishi make a pick that I can use to Pick these Bell Locks? BTW all the Duncan Meters in my country have been decommissioned and sadly sent to the Scrap yards, some have been salvaged and are now traded between collectors here so your info would not cross any Legal or ethical boundaries here I would appreciated your advice and a link to purchase one if possible, Cheers Mate.
The best we had for automotive prior to Lishi was either a Determinator set or, for Chrysler, Ford or GM, EEZ reader. None of them were great, but better than nothing, and certainly better than sight reading with a scope, when they worked. If you need any info on any of these, hit me up.
Admittedly the spacers should work, but will cause additional torque on the shaft of the tool, away from the location the tool is intended to take it, making breaking it more likely. I don't know how much more likely, and it may not be an issue for minor locksport, but it is some.
oh yeah, i saw the EEZ reader in a classroom at Lockmasters once, i believe
Great video! Thanks