007 lockpicking tension & feedback Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Mastering lockpicking tension & feedback is a key ingredient in progressing in locksport. In this two part series, I'll be sharing some of the best tips and hacks I've learned from scouring the interwebs and from my own experience.
We'll be looking at how to tension a lock, how to understand the feedback you receive from the lock and how you can use this newfound knowledge to open more of those residents of your naughty bucket!
![[188] My Approach to Lock Picking Tension](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9O-CJEwcQnY/mqdefault.jpg)
![[215] How To Identify The Binding Pin With The Zipping Test](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gb-ALzwYGTA/mqdefault.jpg)
I have viewed thousands of videos on locksport. Clearly I’m addicted, wouldn’t you say? I wanted to thank you foe your contributions, and this one is a gem. Imho
There are a LOT of great locksport videos out there, which means I am all the more appreciative that you have found the time to watch and comment on this one 🙏
I dig it. I'm addicted too! What a fun hobby. Not to mention, people generally think it's cool as all get out when they see you pick a lock.
You’re redefining the standard for lockpicking tutorials. Again... 😁 👍🏼
Wow - amazing feedback - thanks so much 🙏
This is by far the best tutorial I have found. I love the other peeps (you know know who they are), but this is impressive. Thank you!
Sir, you are definitely one of my top favorite locksport enthusiasts. I very much enjoy and appreciate your help. I've been interested in picking locks since I was a youngster, except that I could only "pick" the simplest of locks and mostly came up with ways to bypass the lock. As I got older and was no longer in foster homes or homeless, I stopped breaking into things to get food or money. Thirty years later I stumbled on one of those cheap Chinese kits with a plastic "practice padlock." That was about six months ago and I haven't gone a single day without picking a lock or two. I haven't been able to pick an American 1100 yet. This video is encouraging. The first American 1100 I bought has a bitting of 7, 3, 3, 7, 5, 2. So I bought a new one. That one is 4,6,4,3,5,6. I've been trying off and on for well over a month now. I was getting discouraged: thinking maybe I've peaked. I feel better now. Thank you.
ps. Pleasant voice. Nice cadence.
I like how you break down the terms of the tools, etc. Very helpful to a newbie. Keep up the great work and don't change a thing about your style of making videos or the content!
That’s really encouraging feedback John - thanks for taking the time to comment 🙏
@@fishpicks4531 I must 2nd this. There are so many terms it seems everyone expects you to know, clear instructions like this with great animations have made a huge difference to me. THANK YOU!
This is one of the best explained video I have come across. Very informative. Thinking about investing in a Lish tool.
Great video. Looking forward to part 2. Take care and have a great day. 👍🔓🙂
Cheers Brian - appreciate you taking the time to watch part 1 🙌
Hands down one of the best quality picking videos I've ever seen (and I've seen hundreds)! Outstanding explanations, illustrations, narration, and thorough covering of nuances. I wish this was here when I started picking. I'll send newbies directly to your channel. Please keep up the wonderful work. Subscribed!
Much appreciated - this is a labour of love and it means a lot when I receive such enthusiastic feedback 🙏
Could not agree more. Amazing video. Thanks for your amazing work indeed. Subscribed :D
Best video I have found on spool pins
Your scientific examination of this process is eye opening. Its just what I need to help me advance. Thank you greatly.
Great video mate. You'll soon have a great series for anyone starting out. Keep them coming 👍
Will do! Now that I am back to teaching, there may be periods when I can’t upload quite so often, but will do my best to be as consistent with content as time allows 😉
This is such a great and thorough explanation of tension and feedback as well as pin manipulation. I'm just barely getting started on the hobby of lockpicking and so I haven't been able to figure out feedback or tension much at all and thus I've had zero success picking a basic 4 pin lock, but with this explanation I think it will help clarify some of my experiences and hopefully help me master all the small sensations that relate to successful picking of a lock. Thanks for this video!
Dude, I love your video style! Great narration, great editing, great topics! Very professionally done! I have a face for radio and a voice for print. But you’ve got an amazing voice to go on top of everything else. You’ve really got a knack for making videos like this. Don’t stop.
Haha love that phrase - 'face for radio, voice for print'! Glad you are enjoying the content and thanks for all your support 🙏
Excellent video. I work for a vending company as the electromechanical troubleshooter and our clients are constantly losing their keys or breaking them off. Many times it is just easier to pick a lock open instead of having to go find a key if one even exists. Not only that but I have to change lock pin sets to rekey because of hirings and firings so I keep my small key duplicating machine in my truck. I am a chemical engineer by education but I really enjoy working with electro-mechanical things more than working with the people in the pharmaceutical industry. Thank you for sharing this awesome information.
My friend, you need to do that which you yearn to do. In this one and only life, it'd be a sin not to. I hope something awesome comes your way soon.
Honestly - RUclips needs an "give award" system - this video is SO GOOD!
Your videos are so thorough, well produced and all over excellent! Highly recommended!!
Dude the wealth of information you are giving away... truely the only channel getting me hyped about starting this hobby
this deserves millions of views. Also for an average/advanced picker this is a great great refresh of how tension works. Thanks !
Another outstanding video. Using a Lishi pick and a Sparrows cut-away lock provides a perfect view of the pins and cylinder without any distracting movement of the hands. I also love that your videos include numerous other knowledge tidbits that are relevant to the base content.
Thanks Richard - that's great to hear. I was a little concerned that my asides might seem irrelevant to some, but I enjoy making those kinds of connections. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙏
Well done sir. Not sure if you've seen it but there's a documentary series from the 80's called 'The Secret Life of Machines'. There are quite a few episodes on YT and your presentation style is evocative of that presenter, without all the cheesy cartoons.
Hi Jim - no, haven't seen it but I'll check it out. Hope my content isn't quite as 'cheesy'!!
@@fishpicks4531 not even a little. I’m just talking about the documentary style.
Phew! 😂
Utterly fascinating. I'm going through a bit of a down period at the moment in terms of how my picking is going, and I really find your videos useful. Thankyou. :o)
Don’t feel down my friend every failure just makes you stronger
Another excellent video. Looking forward to the next one. 👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers Jeff - glad you liked it. I hope you enjoy part 2 as well 😉
very nice video Mr Fish ... dont stop
Cheers Den - and 'Fish' is fine; think we know each other well enough now to be on first name terms 😉
This was unbelievably soothing.
In regards to binding order, of course there will be variations for different reasons, but generally speaking, in older locks that have been more heavily used, back pins and chambers are less worn and so will set before front ones. This is due to the pins moving up and down as you slide the key in
Thanks so much for putting this together. I learned a great deal in a short time.
Excellent video once again. I wonder how many James Bond fans will find themselves here...
Haha - well, if they find themselves here and choose to stay, I'll be delighted 😉
This video is excellent.
Great video. As an amateur this information is gold dust!!!
So pleased to hear it - as a relative newcomer myself, I am aiming to create the kind of content I was hoping to find just a couple of months ago myself, so if you feel that way, I'm delighted.
@@fishpicks4531 We are all beginners when we first get into something new.
There's always been an air of secrecy in the lock picking community (quite rightly too in my opinion) and information was never available.
There are few secrets left on the internet.
It's a double edged sword...
I’ve been waiting for this one!! Going to watch it now. Cheers!
Hope it lived up to your expectations Andrew!
Great as always. I would love to see a video on vices and what to look for when choosing a vice. I'm at the point where I'm getting frustrated holding the locks in my hands and I'm looking to get one personally.
I can certainly review the one I use if that would be helpful? I don’t have any experience of other vises, but I definitely feel that mine was a good investment
You make great use of the resources and media that you have to explain clearly what's on your mind, your pupils (whether they know it or not) are lucky to have a great teacher. I've not seen counter rotation explained quite like that before, very well done.
Ahh thanks very much - a lovely comment to receive. 🙏
another absolutely awesome video !
Cheers Dana - be safe🙏
Really helpful, thank you.
Top notch video content and production quality. Love to watch thanks!
My pleasure - I appreciate you taking the time to check it out 🙌
Incredible! This is the best learning video I have seen yet. Amazing and invaluable information here. Thank you so much. the security pin part was a major eye opener. Also, I have such issues with over tensioning and this informative video was extremely helpful in that area.
Extraordinary video!, congratulations!, very good!
Much appreciated - makes the effort all worth while with this kind of feedback 🙏
Best venography and production values in locksport. Keep up the good work.
Much appreciated - btw, I am a certified bushcraft and land based survival instructor so we have a lot in common 😉
Love your videos!! Maybe you should write a book or even classes. I really enjoy your channel!!
Thanks so much for your support and lovely comments - who knows, perhaps one day I will teach classes but for now, I am enjoying building this channel 🙏
Beautifully and thoughtfully done. I really enjoyed the snakes and ladders analogy. I am looking forward to many more videos from you
Thanks for watching the video and for taking the time to comment. I have plenty more ideas so watch this space 😉
Thank-you. Most instructive. I met a man who could tell someone's age by conversing with them for a few minutes. He did it by listening to their voice and words, and watching the person's face and body language very carefully, whilst talking, and dropping in a selection of careful questions and comments. He had developed the techniques over a number of years, since childhood. It's tantamount to the same thing as contact mind reading, but without any physical contact.
It's also good to remember that, In a face-to-face situation, a large proportion of our communication is by non-verbal means,
We all have similar abilities, but most of us never hone the innate skills consciously. But if we think about it, people leak lots of information about themselves all the time. It helps if we can be a very good listener, and then write down or recall what was said, as soon as possible. It's often amazing how much one can learn from people within a couple of minutes. Names, ages, professions, parental status, likes and dislikes, skill sets, hobbies, physical traits, handedness, habits, places of interest, confidence levels and mental inclination are some of the things which can be quite easy to discover, if we really take notice of a person.
I am very familiar with this kind of psychology and agree that we speak volumes, even when silent 😉
Wonderful, great video once again 🔑🎉
Thanks Bryce - I appreciate your support 🙏
An outstanding tutorial. Very well presented.
Thanks Jim - much appreciated 🙌
Really straightforward and highly informative. Thank you again, for another awesome vid.
Gotta get me some Lishi picks👍
My pleasure Peter; glad you liked it. The Lishi tools are pricey but I have learned a lot about the need for precision by working with them.
Wow you've got mad skills and the lockpicking is good too 😉
Haha thanks - well I’m on a steep learning curve Eline (amazing name btw) but loving the challenge
Wonderful descriptive video. This is a Must view video for a new lock picker and very useful as a mental refresher for an experienced lock picker.
Thanks Derrick - very kind feedback andI do hope it will prove useful to the community over time.
I don't subscribe to many channels, but I just subscribed to you. You have excellent insight and are a great teacher who likes to share what he knows, not just put on a little talent show to wow simpletons. . The anti-LPL
Well I appreciate the sub very much and hope I can continue to offer value 🙌
Very good video
Bast video 🙏
Thank you for a very well explained and educative video! Novice locksporter here with a couple of very minor nitpicks:
At 3:05 you mention that it is important to note that the key pin will feel the same whether a pin is underset or set. Well - sometimes a set pin may feel more springy when the key pin touches the set driver pin and lifts it - and sometimes it will be blocked at the shear line, feeling just like an underset pin. So - this is not always true, right? I guess the main point here is that when slightly lifting the key pin, before it touches the driver pin, it will feel the same if set or underset.
At 12:05 you mention that you may drop other pins due to the kinetic shock of setting the spool pin. I'd guess that it is not necessarily only due to the shock - it is also because of the widening gap at the shear line when you counter rotate the core to allow the spool to pass completely past the shear line.
Really awesome video, with well thought out, clear and visual explanations! Thank you! :)
Excellent video. How are you so good at video editing? I’m glad there is another part coming.
Haha Andrew, if you have seen how many times I have been bashing my head against my desk, you wouldn't think my skills are quite that impressive! Lots of trial and error, watching tutorials and being prepared to scrap the bad footage and start again. Even now I can see a few mistakes and editing issues that grate on my nerves but I committed to get this up by the end of the week so I decided to publish it. I must try and fit in some lock picking again soon though!
Excellent.
Great content and really educative as always! Thank you for your work and experience sharing! :)
I wonder if it can be interesting to present the possibles differences for the tension & feedback between the US and Euro locks position, since there is some changes with the bible at the bottom and the key pins always resting on the driver pins.
That’s a really interesting idea Kane - I’ll need to educate myself on this idea first but will definitely add it to my concepts list for future projects - thanks for the suggestion.
You just got a new subscriber! Some really great information. Got a laugh seeing the Brog Cube when you mention resistance (a good one, at least for a Star Trek nerd 5:14). THis video was well thought out and explained, Great Job!
Cheers Gantry - appreciate the sub and glad you liked the Trekkie reference. At least now two of us get it!
Resistance is futile!
@@elineblind348 😂
On a different tangent, it's interesting that in Europe the child's game is Snakes and ladders. In the US, it is Shoots and Ladders. Shoots, think a slide at a children's playground.
Is there an idea for reverse picking? When you started a video on tension I immediately thought of reverse picking.
I think a lot of experienced pickers use reverse tensioning. Not quite sure what you mean by reverse picking? Let me know and I’ll have a better crack at answering 😉
@@fishpicks4531 reverse picking is over lifting a pin, or pins then controlling your tension very precisely so it allows the pin stack to lightly move back down intro place via the spring forcing them down in a controlled manner until the pin stack clears the shear line but goes down no further. Very useful for American brand locks in my opinion. Among others when is applicable or possible.
@@fishpicks4531 often times you are picking normally and over lift jyst one pin and if you are careful, lowering the tension very precisely will allow that pin stack to slide down and set without resetting the whole lock because of a over liften pin. You can take the disadvantage of an overlifted pin and use it to your advantage by setting it with very precise tension control.
Thanks you
Is SC4 or KW5 for ordinary european locks? Cant find that information anywhere
Great video. Sadly this channel hasn’t posted in 2 years
Is that a Lishi practice lock? Can you provide the details? I'd like to buy one of those.
at 7:03 what is begin said? "if you can't feel a [???]" is it "thing"?
What type is the lishi tool you are using fish, seen similar, but not sure if its the same as the one you are using so if you don't mind garnishing me with the product detail. 👍
Sure - so that one is the SC4 which opens locks with a Schlage keyway. All of the Sparrows training tools I own - the cutaway, the progressive lock set and the Revolver all have that keyway so it was a good investment as a training tool to learn about precision of pick placement.
@@fishpicks4531 thank you very much for replying, take care keep safe. 👍
You too - strange times but these too will pass 🙏
Excellent explanation and very helpful, but I found the background music too loud and a detraction.
Good information in the video, but the music was torture.
Sorry that was your experience Dave - following some other feedback about music levels, I’ve now turned the mix right down - listen to today’s release by way of comparison. I think it might be dependent on the audio levels on the device each person uses because most people seem fine with it but there are definitely a few for whom this has been an issue. I apologise 😬
Unless you are talking about the style of music, rather than the volume - in which case, one man’s poison is another man’s medicine I guess 😉
@@fishpicks4531 There's a ton of great detail in the vid, so it's a shame to almost drown some of it out with the soundtrack. I can tell just by watching these what level of effort you put into your vids. If you've backed the volume off that'll make them much more accessible.
I was hoping for Hindu Polka Metal.
@@DaveMcKay0960 haha I’ll see what I can do! In the interim, I’ll do my best to keep the volume lower on future releases 🙏
Why dont lock makers use nothing but security pins?
Nice video sir and superb editing. Your description of the jiggle test for pin tumbler locks however is incorrect. Check out CH1 ruclips.net/video/yc7uQC5hYwQ/видео.html
Will check it out - appreciate the correction.
So, I was unable to cut and paste the link you sent but have watched everything that comes up with a search for ‘Jiggle Test’ - am I right in thinking that you would define it as a way of determining if a pin has been set, rather than as a technique to move an underset pin to the set point?
If so, I accept the difference and understand the distinction, but would also suggest that if a jiggle test were performed on an underset pin, it could well move it to set, so it would still serve the function I mentioned in the video, albeit not as a ‘test’!
I’d appreciate your thoughts and thanks again for engaging in the conversation. I am always looking to improve and refine my understanding.
@@fishpicks4531 I think your videos are fantastic and I am not saying this to criticize you in any fashion but I feel that you put so much effort and research into the study of lock picking such that you would appreciate understanding the difference…
Used correctly, the jiggle test is one of the most powerful techniques for the picker; It is perhaps one of the most (if not the most) important skill when you get into more complex locking mechanisms.. It relies on the principle that set elements will have more play than bound ones (most commonly used when discussing sliders in true vs false gates). Tapping a pin to shear without understanding the principle is a luck based approach rather than a skill based approach. As always there are exceptions to every rule as tapping a gin out of countermilling is a high skilled attack, but that is not the technique you are describing.
The video I linked is one in which my buddy captainhooknumber7 dedicates a whole video to the subject and is the best video for understanding the jiggle test. Search “Throwback Thursday 8: The Jiggle Test”
Excellent feedback and very much appreciated- while my narration and editing might suggest experience, I am very much a beginner and these kinds of misunderstanding will no doubt happen on occasion, despite my best effort to research my topic. It is a deep and nuanced skill and any criticism is always welcome if constructive, which yours absolutely has been 🙏
How in the heck can a person feel any of these pin states?!!!!
Listening with earphones on the music is too loud and distracting.
Really wanted to watch the video but can’t stand background music. 😢
Pfft. It's good
wtf bro come on get back to recording vids
u dont need to answer i already know from bosnian bill that all other countrys build tve lock in like a 5 yr old