18:57 I did not have to wait long for India to be dragged in to the conversation. I am looking forward to hearing a full conversation in this platform without once ever bringing up India.
I have observed something that a lot of Pakistani do....educated ones especially and I am unable to understand the reasoning.....for anything negative that they mention about Pakistan they always mention something negative about India (real or imaginary, does not matter) but they never do it for something positive.
A very enriching and informative discussion. As long as there are people like this in Pakistan, India, and the other SAARC nations there is still some hope. Thank you Dr Hoodbhoy for creating The Black Hole in these dark times
Only way the enduring cure to this kind of madness is addressing quality of education by ensuring tolerance of different opinions and imbibing critical thinking.
Very sensible of black hole to bring out this. We in india have known this since long and Pakistan govt had all along denied these facts. Exactly same things happened in Kashmir to Kashmiri hindus for last 75 years. Pakistan Govt must be applauding this holocaust kind of job. It is so obvious to us that in india through anecdotal facts. Open fact is Pakistan minorities has come down from about 30% before partition and now it has come down to 2%.
For me Pak is nothing but Musalman, Musalman and only Musalman. Nothing more than that. And they also don't want to go beyond that. So let them live in that gutter only. But have a good defence against these fanatics.
Very good discussion and valid inputs by all attendees as rightly pointed out seeds have sown from 90 years, cannot be weeded out easily, but yes congratulations on this daring show in Pakistan, kind regards
Mujhe lagta hai ki , black hole Ko Pakistani se jyada India vale dekhte hai , vo bhi allaha ke Fazal se । Jaha per bhi kitabo ki , padhai likhai ki baat hogi , vaha se Pakistani bhag jayenge , vo bhi Bhagwan ke Fazal se ।
In my opinion pakistan needs deep societal and psychological changes. Additionally, it needs strong implementation law enforcement by security forces, particularly armed forces. My assessment is pakistan need not fear india. The real fear is from within and from deep corruption in society.
I will recommend a very good Indian book which is a very good analytical work on riots in India. This is "Riot after Riot" by MJ Akbar (1987) Penguin India.
Hi sir , u r in such great awe of owaisi , pls also refer to what his brother had said in a large public gathering , no wonder u display this great charade of ur’s
Thana ,counselor MPA MNA + their front men /under cuffed men /paid persons :religious/non:have been making naughts in Pakistan 🇵🇰 and destroying the society.
Pardon my ignorance but this incident (and the way it happened) gives flashbacks of what aged people describing the Partition of Punjab / India. Listening to the guest, that country is “seriously” and only made for Muslims.
I do not understand why he is bringing India into this discussion. No mob violence occurs in India as it happens in Pakistan! Law enforcement won't keep quiet!
Please use the word " state complicity" not "state failure." Good, honest talk otherwise. I wish there was also a connection made to the "two-nation theory" and how it unleashed demons of hatred, bigotry and violence that are still on rampage.
Fundamental problem is the same as it was in Germany in the 30.s......The belief that one Gods CHOSEN group is superior and that THEY are supposed to be ASHRAF. Once you have GOD'S authority-( on your side)- there is not much that can be done. Add to that POVERTY and lack of REAL Education........ In all such situations.......its always the not so well to do who form the back bone of such conditions.
Matlab khuka ghar sambhala nahi jata aur chale india ke upr baat krne,, salo 140 cr ka desh h. Chal agar humare yaha koi dharmik fasad hota bhi h to nuksaan dono paksho ka hota h, pr tumhare yaha to kewal sirf ek taraf jo kamjor kam number me h unka hi nuksaan hota h,,, bus is baat ka jawab de ki tumhare desh me minority 13% se 2% kese ho gayi aur india me me minority 4% se 14% kese ho gayi agar india me barbari nahi h to. Hinduism me koi concept nahi ki saari duniya ko hindu hona jaruri h, hindu sabse jyada tolerance rakhta h waran tumhaari tarah hi apni minority ko kha jata, yaad rakhna agar bharat me tolerance na hoti to duniya me sabse jyada masijde bharat ne nahi hoti over 300000 .... Isliye apna compare humse mat kara karo
Even educated panelist never mention how Gujarat riots actually started where innocent Hindus were burnt to death with no provocation. It is always easy to highlight the reaction that followed. It is amazing to see how ill informed and ignorant u are about India ; it may be purposefully also that is my reading. At the end of the day u guys have to live in Pak and going overboard highlighting ur own ills could b counterproductive.
Your ignorance on India is so apalling. Instead of bbc documentary read the court verdicts on godhra violence. Why bring india as a barometer to hide your shame.
why is it that whenever gujarat 2002 riots come up in Pakistani discussions they always "forget" to mention what led to the riots was godhra train burning incident where a train coach full of hindu pilgrims was set on fire and 58 hindus were burned alive.
Plz ap log ya to English m pora lecture dya kraien, ya to pora Urdu m bolien. English ap Sirf apney logon kye bool tye hain. Jin ko English sumjhe m nhe aatye wo log korey Ky Kory rahien gye. Ap sarey giftagho English m krtye hain.. !!!!! !!!!!!!!.....??????
18:57 I did not have to wait long for India to be dragged in to the conversation.
I am looking forward to hearing a full conversation in this platform without once ever bringing up India.
If Christian all over America, Canada, Australia & Europe start doing same thing than what happened to you Muslims.
I have observed something that a lot of Pakistani do....educated ones especially and I am unable to understand the reasoning.....for anything negative that they mention about Pakistan they always mention something negative about India (real or imaginary, does not matter) but they never do it for something positive.
I'm from India
I'm a ex muslim
That lady in purple, speaking in English is awesome, speaking actual truth.
Stay blessed, ma'am.
Good to see the courageous people to be part of such a vibrant issue while sitting in Pakistan!
It was a fantastic and insightful conversation that I feel is pertinent to all nations/ races/ majorities. Lots to ponder over.
These police are most radicalized than the public.
The religion is too much with us,why don't we get rid of it
There is lack of justice justice justice for the common man in Pakistan 🇵🇰 due to which uncertainty
A very enriching and informative discussion. As long as there are people like this in Pakistan, India, and the other SAARC nations there is still some hope. Thank you Dr Hoodbhoy for creating The Black Hole in these dark times
Guys focus on your own country rather than comparisons with India.
Only way the enduring cure to this kind of madness is addressing quality of education by ensuring tolerance of different opinions and imbibing critical thinking.
Very sensible of black hole to bring out this. We in india have known this since long and Pakistan govt had all along denied these facts. Exactly same things happened in Kashmir to Kashmiri hindus for last 75 years. Pakistan Govt must be applauding this holocaust kind of job.
It is so obvious to us that in india through anecdotal facts.
Open fact is Pakistan minorities has come down from about 30% before partition and now it has come down to 2%.
What's new in this? These incidents are daily day events in Pakistan
Good discussion. Pak police/ agencies It's like KFC is fighting for chickenrights. Let all the culprits ban for foreign visa passport access.
For me Pak is nothing but Musalman, Musalman and only Musalman. Nothing more than that. And they also don't want to go beyond that. So let them live in that gutter only. But have a good defence against these fanatics.
Very good discussion and valid inputs by all attendees as rightly pointed out seeds have sown from 90 years, cannot be weeded out easily, but yes congratulations on this daring show in Pakistan, kind regards
Enjoyed listening to an enlightened group. There IS hope for Pakistan.
No. Not till Military Mullah alliance is neutralized.
Prof. Hoodboy has hit at the Bulls regarding Islam. Islam has to be practiced at personal level.
Mujhe lagta hai ki , black hole Ko Pakistani se jyada India vale dekhte hai , vo bhi allaha ke Fazal se । Jaha per bhi kitabo ki , padhai likhai ki baat hogi , vaha se Pakistani bhag jayenge , vo bhi Bhagwan ke Fazal se ।
In my opinion pakistan needs deep societal and psychological changes. Additionally, it needs strong implementation law enforcement by security forces, particularly armed forces. My assessment is pakistan need not fear india. The real fear is from within and from deep corruption in society.
Core issue being discussed. Thanks.
I will recommend a very good Indian book which is a very good analytical work on riots in India. This is "Riot after Riot" by MJ Akbar (1987) Penguin India.
Hi sir , u r in such great awe of owaisi , pls also refer to what his brother had said in a large public gathering , no wonder u display this great charade of ur’s
Police is the part of this type of mob always.
Sir if you could index the video...time wise where was discussed. So that everybody can see the interested content
Good discussion:maybe get the solution we people.
Thana ,counselor MPA MNA + their front men /under cuffed men /paid persons :religious/non:have been making naughts in Pakistan 🇵🇰 and destroying the society.
Nice talk sir ❤❤❤
Unless the Mullah is harnessed, Pakistan would be ruined.
Bravo The Black Hole/Dr. Parvez Hoodhbhoy !!!
👏👏👏👏👏
Do not compare with India. Gujarat is the fall out of Godra.
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Pardon my ignorance but this incident (and the way it happened) gives flashbacks of what aged people describing the Partition of Punjab / India.
Listening to the guest, that country is “seriously” and only made for Muslims.
No hope for Pakistan when less than 20 people want to listen to this.
It’s very funny to see how you satisfy your self by reiterating your misconception about Bharat again and again 😂
I do not understand why he is bringing India into this discussion. No mob violence occurs in India as it happens in Pakistan! Law enforcement won't keep quiet!
I have not heard from any person or group about 😢 MEESAAQ E MADINA with regards to the unfortunate incident of JARANWALA 😢😮
How I become part of this program
God bless Pakistan
Please use the word " state complicity" not "state failure." Good, honest talk otherwise. I wish there was also a connection made to the "two-nation theory" and how it unleashed demons of hatred, bigotry and violence that are still on rampage.
Fundamental problem is the same as it was in Germany in the 30.s......The belief that one Gods CHOSEN group is superior and that THEY are supposed to be ASHRAF. Once you have GOD'S authority-( on your side)- there is not much that can be done. Add to that POVERTY and lack of REAL Education........
In all such situations.......its always the not so well to do who form the back bone of such conditions.
Matlab khuka ghar sambhala nahi jata aur chale india ke upr baat krne,, salo 140 cr ka desh h. Chal agar humare yaha koi dharmik fasad hota bhi h to nuksaan dono paksho ka hota h, pr tumhare yaha to kewal sirf ek taraf jo kamjor kam number me h unka hi nuksaan hota h,,, bus is baat ka jawab de ki tumhare desh me minority 13% se 2% kese ho gayi aur india me me minority 4% se 14% kese ho gayi agar india me barbari nahi h to. Hinduism me koi concept nahi ki saari duniya ko hindu hona jaruri h, hindu sabse jyada tolerance rakhta h waran tumhaari tarah hi apni minority ko kha jata, yaad rakhna agar bharat me tolerance na hoti to duniya me sabse jyada masijde bharat ne nahi hoti over 300000 .... Isliye apna compare humse mat kara karo
Christian phobia In Pakistan 😢😢😢
Godhra train burning
Salman Raja was spot on.
Beauty of muzhub on full display
hood bye ji please bring your youtuber divik kumar to understanding the hindu mind set
Even educated panelist never mention how Gujarat riots actually started where innocent Hindus were burnt to death with no provocation. It is always easy to highlight the reaction that followed. It is amazing to see how ill informed and ignorant u are about India ; it may be purposefully also that is my reading. At the end of the day u guys have to live in Pak and going overboard highlighting ur own ills could b counterproductive.
Your ignorance on India is so apalling. Instead of bbc documentary read the court verdicts on godhra violence. Why bring india as a barometer to hide your shame.
In india hindu never attack f8rst
Root cause is only one.
Hatred towards other religions.
why is it that whenever gujarat 2002 riots come up in Pakistani discussions they always "forget" to mention what led to the riots was godhra train burning incident where a train coach full of hindu pilgrims was set on fire and 58 hindus were burned alive.
i am seeing people are not interested in this type of very imported question 70% seats are empty so sorry
Plz ap log ya to English m pora lecture dya kraien, ya to pora Urdu m bolien. English ap Sirf apney logon kye bool tye hain. Jin ko English sumjhe m nhe aatye wo log korey Ky Kory rahien gye. Ap sarey giftagho English m krtye hain.. !!!!! !!!!!!!!.....??????