Hero (Z) v Shuttle (P) on Fighting Spirit- StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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Holy cow, great macro game
Being behind in supply as Zerg in BW is not a setback, at least until the late game. It's obvious if you watch the previous BW casts; time and again a Zerg that was 15-20 supply behind in mid game ends up winning. The major zerg units during that phase take 1/2 and 1 supply, and it takes a lot of 2 supply mutas to raise the total. Note that the 1 supply Hydra, for example, is stronger than a 1 supply marine while costing twice as much in total resources, and just as much as a 2 supply Zealot. (The worker count is generally close in BW.)
Thanks, MadDocPax. That makes a lot of sense. :)
Also, as just an added benefit/comment... because of the way that zerg make units, they are able to, generally, make a lot more at once then the other races, so being down in supply isnt as big a deal for a zerg player.
Every building cost 1 drone/supply to build aswell, and overlords dont count as supply but have detection and eventually transport
I think, the actual force of Zerg, is the ability to regenerate an army. So macro-hathc it is.
16:25 those storms... RIP hydras
Hey man, definitely glad you're making content and I like it. A suggestion, if you'd wanna improve your Brood War casting, maybe talk more about strategies being used, check out Artosis/Tasteless' casts.
In BW Zerg seems to always be down in army supply vs Protoss but it usually never matters during engagements. They can recreate their army incredibly quickly for cheep amounts with lings costing 50 1supply & hydras costing 75/25 1 supply. Zealots take up 2 supply as do dragoon’s & Templar. That’s why Zerg is down in supply most of the time & it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t equally represent total supply. 10 hydras cost 10 supply & 10 zealots cost 20 supply.
Amazing game. Wow. Keep them coming!
I love all your casts, especially Brood War! You’re so great as a caster.
Ideas for casts:
whenever a balance change occurs, go over them in a video.
Compare and contrast “the same” units in BW vs SC2. For example, marines exist in both games, but they are way better in SC2 than brood war (viable in every match, medivacs make them way more potent than drop ships). I think this is interesting!
A history of SC2 meta?
Hey Falcon! First of all, nice content you're displaying.
Now, for the zerg supply, players and pros tend to agree that zerg should have around 70% of the other two races supplies to stay neck-and-neck into the game. Now, of course, we have seen in the past zergs ploughing terrans and protoss with 60% or 50% zerg supply. If at any given time (not counting very early game) a zerg has the same supply vs other races, it is safe to presume the zerg is ahead.
Zerg being down ~20 in supply is absolutely normal; The dude that said it wasn't is just a noob. Most of it is just the fact that other races produces way more workers plus lings come in pairs.
There were some huge battles in this match, really shows the value of storm, as if there was any doubt
Hero got a bit greedy around 20:00 and wanted to engage in one decisive battle. He could have expanded his 5th and 6th earlier.
BW games of PvZ are my favorite out of all BW or SC2. I hope you do more!!!
For a pro gamer, that was some incredibly bad zerg micro and general lack of awareness from him. And I always root for zerg!
Is feedback range the same as the broodling range? I feel like queens vs HT would be nice
Feedback has a range of 10, spawn broodling's range is 9. That said, feedback is a dark archon spell in BW, not a high templar spell. :)
@@FalconPaladin Oh right, duh, that's SC2 lol ty!
Hmm, it's odd to see it not be done yet then.
Zerg can be behind up to 20 supply, against Protoss, specifically, and still be ahead; it depends on a few things, but specifically Hydralisks have a supply cost of one while the minimum supply cost of any Protoss military unit is two; thus they could have almost double the number of Hydralisks as Zealots and still have a lower supply.
This is not a hard and fast rule, and it's less true in ZvT, but generally, Zerg has can field a larger fighting force with less supply.
The intended balance to this is their disposability, and eggs morphing use supply, but it's also not fully functioning properly as Zerg is fairly overpowered.
Its just in... storm.... good spell as it turns out
Nice colors
I enjoy watching zerg matches but it brings such a pain when I see the win/loose ratio. Zergs need a buff and I hope blizz will soon understand that
Good meme
Yeah, more likely zergs will get nurf :D
Курт Шин Blizzard has fine-tunes the three races for the last 20 years! Why the f*ck would they mess with the current perfect balance?
Maybe, because zergs have a lot of counters by the 2 other races and have little win rate in high rank duels
lol ya need to keep thje minimap up period.
Quite a number of matches I see a player lose a base, or a few, or most of their workers, then a minute later they fighting back on equal terms and I never get how a player recovers so quickly from what should cripple them.
So I can believe a Zerg with low supply can come back, but it doesn't make sense to me.
i love how you're always confused :)
Why Protoss players are not using scouts?
In regards to comparing Zerg and protoss supply, Zerg units are more supply efficient. 2 lings/scourge for 1 control, hydras are only 1. I've seen plenty of games where the Zerg player is down 20 supply and they come out with a win. I'd say being down 20 is no big deal for a Zerg
Do the slugs of the reavers do damage under dark swarm? Any loop holes ;ike targetting your own units within the dark swarm?
I cannot try it in a custom game rn. But you certainly can perform some test there.
Yes, they do. Reavers deal melee and splash damage, both of which a Defiler cannot block.
Babo means stupid in hongul
I think it was Free For All game ;)
Hero underextended he totally could have won this if he didn't stick on four bases for so long. Plus he had map control and scouting, he just lost to that mistake
You doing great work, but can you cast some tvt, zvz or pvp?
I think, it will be interesting to many people.
Already cast a ZvZ and a TvT. A PvP is coming up next week.
Day9 says Zerg should be down in supply
Was there a Remastered match earlier this week - or did I watch it so fast I forgot?
There was. 2v2.
Wait what? Plague affects mechanical? How does one plague a cannon? Well guess you learn something every day!
It affects everything Protoss has. I remember figuring that out back in 1998 and realizing in team games, a plague/emp combo wrecks Protoss. :)
While the spell is called "Plague", it is, actually, made of corrosive spores. That is why it can affect anything.
same way that storm affects burrowed units
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My dude, you need to pick up on the map awareness, missing those mutalisk attacks for no reason at all was super annoying to witness. It'd also help if you could narrate the tactical reasoning behind the players' decisions a bit better - for instance, the decision behind a "delayed" lurker aspect on Hero's part here that you wondered about was probably due to the protoss army composition favoring dragoons (you need lurkers to deal with swarms of zealots). Your confusion regarding the mutalisks' purpose (sniping templar) and how these moves were made possible only because the protoss had lost practically all their corsairs in the hydra push was also bit jarring. But I suppose all that will come with greater knowledge of the matchups and the brood war metagame.
That said, your casting style is pleasant and professional, and you seem to find some pretty dope games. I'll keep watching. :)
storms is broken
Go look back on the history of storm. Now it's strong, back I think before 1.6 (?) it was utterly broken. Lasted like 15 seconds.
your grammar is broken
Ehh, as soon as I thought that you have really learned from your mistake of total lack of minimap awarness (especially after you acknowledged that in your last Broodwar stream), you again totally miss whole three mutalisk attacks to probes, while looking at some upgrades and talking... C'mon, man, please follow the map more.
ultras hit hard and they are very fast..... lol man... i swear, you say some stuff sometimes...
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@falconpaladin you should play league of legends
No, thanks. :) I don't like MOBAs that much. Too little to do. :D
Rip :(
people should not use a video game to make money. Your screwing up the fun in video games