Enemy Dynamics in The Battle Cats
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- A video on the archetypes, roles, and interactions between enemies in silly cat game. Nothing special, but just a topic I thought could be fun to talk about.
Next video is gonna be a ranking one, and boy, it's been a while since I've made one of those.
Music:
Black Souls 2 OST: Opening Theme
Black Souls 2 OST: Rabbit Hole
Black Souls 2 OST: Garden of Hearts
Black Souls 2 OST: Smouldering Forest
Black Souls 2 OST: Pond of Bloody Tears
Black Souls 2 OST: Oyster's Dead Sea
Black Souls 2 OST: Sea Turtle Restaurant
Amazing video! I think my personal favorite enemy is actually Mini Angel Cyclone, it's also an extremely powerful enemy that actually has a negative dynamic with tankier melee enemies (as you can stack wave/surges on them) but can still pose a threat with a lot of basic mid-range enemies.
One topic that I'd also love to touch on are some enemies that are just so badly balanced that it's hard to make good dynamics for them. Two that comes to mind are Winged Pigge and St Dober.
You did mention St Dober and how he can destroy backliners, but he also destroys frontliners the same. This makes him such a difficult enemy to counter as the only reliable way to stall him is using Ramen, which can easily melt if there's any sort of non-angel enemies in the stage with him.
Winged Pigge suffers a somewhat similar problem, where the only reliable way to stall him is using Ramen. Any combination of enemies that aren't angels instantly makes W.Pigge an insanely powerful threat.
These are I think why their debut stages (Bare Fangs at the Throne & Heaven's Oasis) are the hardest stages they're ever in. I think PONOS realized how terribly hard it is to make stages with them, and so any other stages they're in now either have them alone with barely any enemy supports or just other angels so Ramen can carry everything. It's either too hard or too easy, and finding that actually good dynamic is really difficult with these enemies.
I love how complicated cat game has become 😂
I honestly agree with these. Both Winged Pigge and St. Dober are insanely overtuned and disable way too many strategies to make a fulfilling stage with either of them in it. They pretty much suffer from oppressive boss syndrome, where you literally only have one strategy to beat them whenever you fight them, or else they become frustratingly difficult to deal with. With Winged Pigge, you're forced to spam the hell out of Ramens, spam everything that outranges her omni, and pray. You can't use rushers against her, you can't use tankers against her, you can't use (most) cc against her, you can only use midrangers and backliners, paired with Ramen. With St. Dober, his stats are far too high to allow any strategy other than surge immune spam or permafreezing him. Like with Winged Pigge, you can't use rushers against him, you can't use tankers against him, you can't use midrangers against him, you can't use backliners against him, you can only use surge immune and pray, which really limits the variety in facing him, because your pool of non uber units so limited unless you avoid taking him head on entirely and use Li'l Dark or Juliet to permafreeze him. It makes both of these enemies so annoying to fight for me (and many others) because you can't express your playstyle. My playstyle is very centric around rushers, so when I encounter enemies like these, I groan and get annoyed, because I don't want to do the same song and dance of Ramen & Cyborg. I want to play the game how I want to play it. I want to make my own strategies, not be shackled or handcuffed into what the specific enemy demands. Adding any other threatening enemy just worsens this problem, as the only way to beat them becomes much more difficult. Like in Bare Fangs at the Throne, Othom curses your CC, so you can't use them to take care of St. Dober. PONOS probably realized this combination was annoying as hell and never did anything like it again. Most other St. Dober stages, he's supported minimally, or even just outright left alone like in Hall of the Four Kings. Or in Kosamin Ruins, Winged Pigge is literally only supported by Gabriels, since anything else as simple as a Tackey would piss everyone who plays the stage off, with Tackey murdering your Ramens & Cyborgs. This isn't a problem exclusive to those two either obvious, with many more oppressive enemies existing like Pickle, Socrates, Omens, etc. They're all exclusive to only one or two stages, and it's definitely for the best.
I feel like Doremi also fits in that group of poorly balanced enemies, but with the exact opposite scenario
Where the stage it appears in is the WORST it's in, due to having no actual support
If you've tried to make a custom stage with Doremi you'd know it's MISERABLE without just having it die to a single Bahamut chain
St Dober is just way too linear. The overtuned level 3 surge and stages St Dober usually appears in forces you to either ramen spam to take it on, or isolate it and burst it down freezing it with Juilet cat to not allow St Dober to surge your units. It's just the same gameplay just with different supporting enemies that you isolate from St Dober.
Winged pigge is hated because of its decent dps but luckily li'l dark cat can make the process of fighting it easier as long as it's only 100% or 150% and alone
Hey looks its the cat game dude who suspiciously sounds like souptasta
TRUE
Never realized that but yeah
Wait, they have the same voice, they talk the same way in their videos, they have similar videos(one of souptasta’s last video is a video essay about the worst stage in BC), canned juice started uploading a lot of BC videos 3 months after souptasta’s ITF 1 slot only vid(his last one) and their channel’s names are related to food. I think you’re onto something
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Hmm...
There's something to be said about most zombie enemies (the ones that burrow).
Aside from Zamelle and event enemies like Z-onel, they're completely up in your face frontliner threats, or have a high enough range that they qualify as a midranger, but not in the same way as literally every metal. The balancing of the trait is that they rely on the stage layout like the length between both bases, and the careful cashflow throughout the stage since they burrow and *will* take over portions of the field like in Defaced tombstone.
I think Miss Haka is a genius enemy, monsterous hp but high knockback, it makes her a looming threat that has unlimited burrows until she decimates your base. But when she does pop up, she has a slight animation like rock cat where she stalls and puts holes in your defense and gives her teammates an opportunity to reach your midrangers and catch up to her.
Wow i sure like the way he makes videos, hooray
It’s only been a month chill.
@@Gatorboy5678 it was not a roast, just a joke. Sorry if it came out mean
@@The_Devourer_Of_Gods I didn't see it as a roast. I do find it a bit weird though because this joke only works if the youtuber has an unusually long gap between videos and a month is normal for this channel.
@@seal7855thats true
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One of very few battle cats channels to get my seal of approval for quality analysis, well thought out and not just repeating basic/common takes or losing accuracy to simplification or entertainment value. You have good ideas and good explanations with qualities that I'd compare to great talents like pannenkoek or summoningsalt, albeit less developed and honed at this stage. I look forward to what you produce in future.
There is one very interesting enemy interaction
It revolves around Deonil and literally anything LoL
1% buffed One Horn: i am going to end this man's whole career
Trash cat profile picture appreciation
Aaah, nothing like a new Canned Juice video
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When you have nothing to watch but then see a Canned Juice video:
Maybe the real enemies were the ones we double bounty can canned along the way...
HOLY SHIT the transitions from 2:05 to 2:19 are honestly amazing!
The enemy synergy is probably the primary reason why PONOS doesn't upgrade Advent Boss on Floor 41++ to their Merciless counterpart. The upgraded boss has completely different behavior. If they just swap the boss without care, it will create some stupid enemy combination. Like what are you going to do against Pappu and King WanWan combo?
And what would you do against 3 doremi's and relic b
So glad you’re back 🥹
I specifically remember them pairing bun bun and Kory variants together notably in labyrinth of hades, docking massacre, boiling spring and some other stages
Zapy+Cadaver Bear is one of the most painful things I have ever dealt with. The combination of two enemies that attack relatively quickly, with one of them dealing insane damage and basically mandating cheap, spammable meatshields, and a backliner that can easily infiltrate your defense with its burrow, kill the meatshields you need for Zapy, and overall being a complete nuisance is awful to deal with.
The Tackey family (including Loris too because hes just relic tackey) has to be my favorite despite it being an absolute pain in the ass to play against, it forces players to step out of the comfortable and reliable [Strong backline Uber/Legend] and makes them think of a different way to tackle the stage, sometimes you rush like with Thorny dialogue, where otherwise you can't use a good backliner to kill the Alpackies or you just... Outrange the LD with Cyberpunk (looking at you Horrorpotamus)
Either way, not very fun enemy to play against, but really good ideas to force change into a player's lineup
I like the constrast between the tidy, informative style of your videos and your channel's absolutely chaos of a banner
video game commentary is my favorite type of content on youtube, its nice theres a channel like this for battle cats
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I beat berserkory in ogre island by hyper maxed divine thundia.
I play this game wrong, I've been grinding it for at least two years now and wasn't really paying attention to SoL or ITF. After this I remembered they existed and just shred through them like hot butter through butter, even Bahamut was easy bc I had lvl 60 anti alien cats and hyper maded Megaphridote.
I meant hot knife through butter, sorry
YOOO I WAITED FOR YOUR VIDEO WITH A NOTIFY LETS GOOO!
yknow... This would have been extremely useful back when i got into stage design and playtesting, but now that ive been playtesting for more than 6 months this video is useful for explaining this kind of difficult concept to newer BCU users. This video explains pretty much everything there is about enemy dynamics (except the specifics) in a simple way.
ur actually goated bro, you make the best battle cats youtube videos
Hi juice of the canned variety, good video!
Interesting how this came out only a few hours before markiquad made his 1 year anniversary event
i think socrates could be combined well with almost every enemy to change his dynamic and create fun and interesting stages, he's just that versatile! 🐇
Ehh not really. Sorcates is just way too hard of a pusher that only has one non uber strategy found (aka Octo and Cyberpunk). He definitely fits more as a standalone boss with minimal support, but pair him with any other high pusher and he becomes overtuned.
@@Flont40 Not even talking about mixing him with a somewhat competent pusher that is another different trait
@@Flont40 yes that is the joke
I love souptasta and canned juice
It’s a hard battle to fight but it is worth it in the end
They sound so similar, almost like the same person
I was jumpscared by the black souls music
How did you not talk about birth of true man when talking about enemy interactions and synergies
When r u gonna release a video which you sell dasli for xp
jagandeez nuts
- canned juice in r/bc a couple days ago
Real
watch ponos drop cosmos 3 outbreak like 2 updates in the future from this video just to prove his numbers wrong
I'm all into Battle Cats enemies (guide and relevant event ones only). Indeed so focused that I tend to panik when a mixed stage with hard pushers comes into the scene. I find enemy designs incredibly satisfying (dont ask me why, idk) and love everything about them, including them being annoying. That's why I have a top 5 most annoying enemies of each trait, excluding story bosses, advents, cyclones (not Li'ls), baron gauntlet bosses, event and misc (I dont have a baron/behemoth/sage ranking, they appear in normal trait lists)
Bro doesn't have a list
Absolutely fascinating
GOATED analysis of the game!
finally u uploaded, now i can subscribe
Quality content
Anyone going to talk about how smooth the editing is at 2:05 ? That switching between each pair of enemies is so satisfying to watch
What type of enemy would you classify filibuster as?
Probably a nuker and a sniper
Timer.
@@ITInikitronITI yeah lol
my favorite instance of an enemy is the insane doge on the econd stage of ninja cat awakens
you scared me with the relic squire rel at the start
I also love chickful a, he's so cute...
Whenever you post you make me remember how complicated this game is and I just don’t realize how deeply I think about this game until it’s pointed out as always 10/10 content
“this makes the battle cats a game with constantly innovative and fresh gameplay” me when i lie (hi canned)
It’s hoot hoot from Pokèmon!
babe wake up new canned juice video just dropped
No gacha games have the sheer maliciousness of battle cats enemy combinations
BABE WAKE UP, NEW CANNED JUICE VIDEO
Also the alien kangaroos in the kappy jr stage
Holy.. black souls bgm jumpscare
new canned videoooo pog
Why is your voice so similar to soupasta and juice and soup are similar and soupasta hasn't uploaded in a while soupasta is that you
100% convinced he’s soupasta
loved the vid
Best part of battle cats
YES FINALLY
Can you make a video how to earn cat food easilywith out clearing stages
Here's an example of enemy dynamics, relic enemies and nonreilic enemies, relic enemy can benefit non relic enemies by cursing crowd controllers that don't have curse immune.
if your enemy is the enemy that the enemies enemy are the enemy's enemy enemy?
I need more, canned juice
Hello Souptasta (very real)
hey canned remember what you said about if u got tmod :)))
Bro henry and relic b would be a great revenge stage combo
Literally just spawn courier cat and soap cat and the stage does by itself
@PotentialDevGcimOgism. I meant like the main enemys Henry freezes the cats and relic b curses them
@PotentialDevGcimOgism. I meant like the main enemys Henry freezes the cats and relic b curses them
I mean give the duo some buffed Bore Jrs. and some Gabriels too sure
finaly
Soupasta uploaded
15:04 i have never heard someone pronounce squirrel like that 😭
The name of the enemy is literally “squi rel”
Yeah lol
@@Enter_a_name69 squire rel**, still only psychopaths pronounce it that way
@@triplevrapidguess im now a psychopath
how did you keep saying "Chickful A" with a straight face
Lezgooo! its our man canned juice! (also 69th comment?)
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uice anned
"I love dogs"
Quoted by me
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767 views in 1 hours? Canned Juice fell off
it's crazy that you act like there is good game design present anywhere in the battle cats.
literally 99% of the enemies have the exact same dynamic. they're all high health high range high damage high attack speed. there zero nuance to that design and it's essentially every impactful enemy. for example master a, bunbun, boar, dark otter, r ost, etc etc etc
an interaction existing doesn't mean the interaction is good game design
The yapping is insane
Bruh, he has Pandora and Madoka
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Blacksouls music jumpscare
I got whiplash