SO helpful! Thanks for making this. Truly helps with the new pick Nat 5 event and also verifies i have almost all low tier Nat5s and missing all the premium ones :(
I'll be honest: I skipped to the end to see what are the best champions I have and then looked at the chapters to get an idea of their use and rune-sets. Thank you for all the tips. Great work
Personal notes that weren't mentioned. Eladriel: another extra usage would be for Lab against Tartarus and Bomb stages when paired with another reviver. Chow: should be slightly higher since he's one of the few units that can solo Water Lab boss. Laika: very good early game since it has the potential to solo Giant boss and make a very consistent Giant Abyss Hard first team. Leo: he just ignores a whole lab floor mechanic making it very trivial to clear but not high prioirity very early. Psamathe: alternative build I like to use is Will + Nemesis on offense when I need a 33% lead, specially against AD Psamathe. since he gets a follow up after enemy Psama revive. Feng: very good for early safe teams for Ellunia B5
I'll finish this notes: Douglas: nice lead and frontliner in R5 and frotlier in Wind Rift. Shizuka: nice option for buffer in Toa Hell teams, specially with Fedora to refresh Endure buff, Nana: better reviver than Eladriel for Lab Bomb stages since she can self revive and trivialize the stage. Also nice option for safe Fire Rift teams since she can fully stack each time she or any ally kills the mini monsters in some of the boss attacks. Aaliyah: better option than Amelia for Toa Hell Bolverk teams but for Siege amelia can ocasionally be better with the full cleanse. Nora: insane damage for Toa Hell and nice stripper + little heal for Toa Hard and Hell. Dominic: I personally use it as a nice tanky damage unit with single target damage and heal block in Interserver and some siege. I think Feng is better and safer, at least in early accounts, for Ellunia.
I missed the talking about Labyrinth in the pve related stuff. Especially with the dragon knights. Leo makes speed limit stages free and Chow makes the water boss, the most obnoxious miniboss free. I saw Eladriel and Ariel in my guild leaders auto team in Tarta Hell.
Watched the whole thing! One note for me personally: Jamire I would rate even higher because his s3 is irreplaceable. There's no other unit that does it the way he does and he enables 2 fast lab boss teams even with crappy runes. But there are way more usecases for him though since he can be used in R5 speed teams, Toa/H/hell AND pvp. For that reason I would place him in 95 personally. (Not to mention the universal speed lead!)
As someone returning to the game after a ~9 month break, this video was a very useful refresher on how good mons are right now. Thank you for making it.
I'm a new player, like 9th day. I didn't reroll. These guides are awesome, thank you. I just finished toa normal and got fire battle angel (had a blessing coz my 3rd nat 5 was a dupe layle and in the choices it was ANOTHER layla and fire battle angel lol
There's a use for Tiana in PVE. It's called toa hell, the counter or immunity stages where you really need to strip everything else or you might get wiped
I returned to SW after like 8 years and pretty funny to see that MANY of monsters that were considered OP or really really strong, are now pretty weak and many of the "trash" nat 5, like Juno, are considered really good
Why did you skip the fusions? You said everyone should get them, but I think placing them on the tier list would show just how good they are and further your point that everyone should fuse them.
I agree with your thought process however, the fact that they are attainable regardless makes sense that they arent in the video. Maybe a separate video showcasing builds and comps would be more practical.
Watched the whole video, really like this content trying to give a more general description of the units. Will absolutely be recommending for newer players in my guild as the choose your nat5 event progresses haha
the wind Indra is actually pretty strong, it can double its own speed and dmg is speed based, nukes 30k dmg AOE krits that apply branding. the base attack cleanse buffs and jumps over to same attribute monsters.
For Teranes i think his pro over Eladriel is the fact that he comes back to life after a cleave, then he can res a unit, whereas Eladriel would just die. I tried testing and Eladriel failed more often for full on stall teams.
I feel like zaiross is a bit overrated, and jamire feels a lot more versatile in general. In arena zaiross is good but I wouldnt necessarily say he is strictly better than jamire there, and same for siege offense. But jamire can still be used in RTA and in all kinds of PVE content such as early giants as max hp damage dealer and atk break and slow for safety on top of resets. Hes also good in toa hell for the same reason. On top of that he is really good for some of the speed R5 teams, while usually not the absolute fastest the rune requirements on the jamire R5 speed teams are much lower (with shizuka katarina). Personally id put zaiross at like 80-85 and jamire at 90-95.
pretty useful video, was able to learn a lot from it, thanks! will help me on my future blessing pops, and decide who to build, how and where to use them!
Dude Beth skill 3 changed she doesnt do the strp block skill but reduces the atb for each debuff on a certain amount. Since she applies a def break with that skill the enemy will have atleast one debuff and if despair procs then 2 debuffs she is very usefull now
Wait wait wait, Velajuel skill 3 is full group cleanse PLUS immunity PLUS 30% attack bar boost. 2nd skill hits hard with high def AND heals whole team @ 15% hp and skill 1 is a stripper. Cmon bro bump him up.
Hey boss! Why did you skip fire panda? I watched 80 percent of the video, skipping to the monsters that I have and listened through those. Thank you for all the info!
Happy new year and thanks for the big guide! i didn't check the whole of it and you might have already said something about it, but where are the steel commander? don't know if miss some other units
What the fuu ^^ I just recognized I watched the whole Video when he said write in the comments if you watched the whole video xD Nice content keep up 🖤👌
Wow, u placed Parjanya the water Indra on 55 :( My fav Unit bruh xD Hes good in Rta with the right team and he scales with def so hes a really good tank dmg dealer He Provokes, he comes back and he have Lifesteal. U can use him in Siege and laby too :S hes very good
I use Tomoei in TOA to spread DOTS, freeze, stuns, etc and lock down the teams opponents. I guess it is just me, she pretty much locks things down for me.
Haven't played in 3 years, my old guild buddy messaged me told me about the free nat5 event so here I am again... so many updates and new mons, seems everything changed since I've been gone
Hey you mentioned where Odin would be useful, but didn't say anything about runes. I'm a returning player and just pulled him, and I was wondering what rune sets you would prioritize on him. Thank you and great vid!
Not an F. He does not know what he's talking about with the Parjanya. You have one of the better units in the game. Easy 85. But you won't need him until you can farm ToA and go into PvP content. He's usable for PvE to keep other allies alive if you're mid-game, but mostly he's an outstanding PvP unit.
Definitely annoyed with the redditor who told me to pick wind Dokkabi Lord over wind Battle Angel from the nat5 event (I know I can change it once but I don't think I'm getting back the devils I already invested). They said the Battle Angel is past her prime, yet here one of the top players is ranking her on top of the tier list, with the unit reddit recommends at the bottom. I quit during the cookie collab but had every rgb5 (including most cookies) at that point, so stuff after Battle Angels are the only options for me.
Water Indra placed way too low. Definitely one of the much better units in pvp content and can be used in ToA/H and Fire Beast as well. Hopefully he will see more play since he's very underused rn. Still, if he continues to be underrated, he may get the Oliver treatment, so maybe we should underrate him.
Hey could anyone help, im a returning player i came back since the release of steam. i havent played for maybe 7 years id say im mid game atm can farm gaints and dragons b10 havent really gone into the other content as of yet. but I bought a transcended scroll and have the choice between water twin angels or water valkyrja. what should i pick
water valk is very strong in meta atm for Siege offense, Arena defense. Water twin angel is a unit that kind of needs a buff to be good. but we won't know when that will happen.
I never see it being used tbh, so i don't feel like he does much. and when its in AD it doesn't do much it just stalls the match a bit on long animations
@@Seiishizo That's probably because not many people have him? I was lucky enough to pull him and if you use him right (it's not hard) he is a very annoying disruptor and creates an easy win for the test of your team in pvp offense and defense content. Very annoying to play against. Water Indra is a very slept on unit. I think once more people actually pay attention to him, he'll rise in popularity.
Wind Bayek is just a joke, weakest nat5 in the game, dude’s weaker than some nat2’s. My only hope is for Com2us to Give him the “wind nat5” treatment xD (buff the hell out of him)
Saying someone could use camilla early game is insanely out of touch 😂 she cant even wipe her own ass until shes on g1+ runes and shes not "good" until g3 runes, before that shes too squishy to do literally anything and pve is all abt damage over anything else which she doesnt do much of
Can’t lie you skipped a ton of pve viability on a lot of these nat5’s, you didn’t even mention momo in early game or pve, she carries because of her passive, dealing over 30k aoe hits with terrible runes
Personally i dont feel momo is that great, not sure where you would use her that not a F2p unit would simply do same or better. Maybe thats for the "other ton of units" as well. But as always with my tier lists, you are allowed to disagree ^.^
@@Seiishizo im not denying that, but even in pvp, she is a 2% pick in RTA, zero use in normal arena. She is good in early game ToAH, but ToAH can be cleared with so many other units, including non nat5s. If the early game has so much weight on your tier list, ok then, but imho i would consider 100 as "units that change the game in a way"
she's great in normal arena with amber. she's great in siege offense. two places where i wouldn't put karnal. Also karnal is a g3 good unit in rta, rica shines more in lower ranks.
I didn't watch i listened so for future reference PLEASE stop saying "this thing" I had to come back to my phone to know what "this thing" was Everytime
Whos here after they dropped the free pick nat 5 event😂😂😂
Looooool me
already 😂
Yup
lol i go back here everytime i summoned a nat 5, popped a blessing and also this new nat 5 event lol HAHA
Me hahaha
And then i choose rica 🤣🤣
SO helpful! Thanks for making this. Truly helps with the new pick Nat 5 event and also verifies i have almost all low tier Nat5s and missing all the premium ones :(
I'll be honest: I skipped to the end to see what are the best champions I have and then looked at the chapters to get an idea of their use and rune-sets. Thank you for all the tips. Great work
Personal notes that weren't mentioned.
Eladriel: another extra usage would be for Lab against Tartarus and Bomb stages when paired with another reviver.
Chow: should be slightly higher since he's one of the few units that can solo Water Lab boss.
Laika: very good early game since it has the potential to solo Giant boss and make a very consistent Giant Abyss Hard first team.
Leo: he just ignores a whole lab floor mechanic making it very trivial to clear but not high prioirity very early.
Psamathe: alternative build I like to use is Will + Nemesis on offense when I need a 33% lead, specially against AD Psamathe. since he gets a follow up after enemy Psama revive.
Feng: very good for early safe teams for Ellunia B5
I'll finish this notes:
Douglas: nice lead and frontliner in R5 and frotlier in Wind Rift.
Shizuka: nice option for buffer in Toa Hell teams, specially with Fedora to refresh Endure buff,
Nana: better reviver than Eladriel for Lab Bomb stages since she can self revive and trivialize the stage. Also nice option for safe Fire Rift teams since she can fully stack each time she or any ally kills the mini monsters in some of the boss attacks.
Aaliyah: better option than Amelia for Toa Hell Bolverk teams but for Siege amelia can ocasionally be better with the full cleanse.
Nora: insane damage for Toa Hell and nice stripper + little heal for Toa Hard and Hell.
Dominic: I personally use it as a nice tanky damage unit with single target damage and heal block in Interserver and some siege. I think Feng is better and safer, at least in early accounts, for Ellunia.
Who else can solo laby leos hell?
@@marielcarey4288 probably Rigel, Jager, and MHW
@@HolySpicoli I don't think they can, leos ignores cc immunity, Chow only works I'm pretty sure because of the self cleansing
@@marielcarey4288 i never realized, thought it just ignored the immunity buff. that's crazy.
I missed the talking about Labyrinth in the pve related stuff. Especially with the dragon knights.
Leo makes speed limit stages free and Chow makes the water boss, the most obnoxious miniboss free.
I saw Eladriel and Ariel in my guild leaders auto team in Tarta Hell.
Watched the whole thing!
One note for me personally: Jamire I would rate even higher because his s3 is irreplaceable. There's no other unit that does it the way he does and he enables 2 fast lab boss teams even with crappy runes. But there are way more usecases for him though since he can be used in R5 speed teams, Toa/H/hell AND pvp. For that reason I would place him in 95 personally. (Not to mention the universal speed lead!)
As someone returning to the game after a ~9 month break, this video was a very useful refresher on how good mons are right now. Thank you for making it.
Happy to hear that :)
Watched the entire video, great information. I've been playing for 9 years and I feel very stuck so your info is very helpful!
Sweet, I love this type of content!
Thank you Seii, I hope you'll have a fantastic year 2024.
I'm a new player, like 9th day. I didn't reroll. These guides are awesome, thank you.
I just finished toa normal and got fire battle angel (had a blessing coz my 3rd nat 5 was a dupe layle and in the choices it was ANOTHER layla and fire battle angel lol
There's a use for Tiana in PVE. It's called toa hell, the counter or immunity stages where you really need to strip everything else or you might get wiped
I returned to SW after like 8 years and pretty funny to see that MANY of monsters that were considered OP or really really strong, are now pretty weak and many of the "trash" nat 5, like Juno, are considered really good
Why did you skip the fusions? You said everyone should get them, but I think placing them on the tier list would show just how good they are and further your point that everyone should fuse them.
Yes i agree but still very helpful video
fair enough, will keep that in mind for the next rotation to place em in
I agree with your thought process however, the fact that they are attainable regardless makes sense that they arent in the video. Maybe a separate video showcasing builds and comps would be more practical.
@@seanickelskiptech5569 true, but those would be a lot more meta depending and waaaaaaaay too many units to talk about everything haha
Watched the whole video, really like this content trying to give a more general description of the units. Will absolutely be recommending for newer players in my guild as the choose your nat5 event progresses haha
the wind Indra is actually pretty strong, it can double its own speed and dmg is speed based, nukes 30k dmg AOE krits that apply branding. the base attack cleanse buffs and jumps over to same attribute monsters.
I've seen very few people use it, but it has potential yea.
For Teranes i think his pro over Eladriel is the fact that he comes back to life after a cleave, then he can res a unit, whereas Eladriel would just die. I tried testing and Eladriel failed more often for full on stall teams.
Watched the whole video, I agree with some, disagree with some, probably comes down to the stage of the game that we're at. Good content as always
I feel like zaiross is a bit overrated, and jamire feels a lot more versatile in general. In arena zaiross is good but I wouldnt necessarily say he is strictly better than jamire there, and same for siege offense. But jamire can still be used in RTA and in all kinds of PVE content such as early giants as max hp damage dealer and atk break and slow for safety on top of resets. Hes also good in toa hell for the same reason. On top of that he is really good for some of the speed R5 teams, while usually not the absolute fastest the rune requirements on the jamire R5 speed teams are much lower (with shizuka katarina). Personally id put zaiross at like 80-85 and jamire at 90-95.
I agree completely, as someone who owns all 3 dragons.
pretty useful video, was able to learn a lot from it, thanks! will help me on my future blessing pops, and decide who to build, how and where to use them!
Dude Beth skill 3 changed she doesnt do the strp block skill but reduces the atb for each debuff on a certain amount. Since she applies a def break with that skill the enemy will have atleast one debuff and if despair procs then 2 debuffs she is very usefull now
She still blocks cleanse too so it's two possible debuffs she can apply on that skill for more atb reduction.
i skipped to the end, SUmmoners community value your expert onion
Happy New Year bro!
Thanks for taking your time for this massive tier list!!
I really wish they’d buff the devil maidens and make them more usable
I think you should talk a bit more about Labyrinth with the monsters
Wait wait wait, Velajuel skill 3 is full group cleanse PLUS immunity PLUS 30% attack bar boost. 2nd skill hits hard with high def AND heals whole team @ 15% hp and skill 1 is a stripper. Cmon bro bump him up.
Hey boss! Why did you skip fire panda?
I watched 80 percent of the video, skipping to the monsters that I have and listened through those.
Thank you for all the info!
glad i saw this after finally getting a nat 5 . The fire twin angels
Finished watching, thanks for video, definitely helpful with the choose your new nat5 event
Been binging your vids while grinding, cheers bro!
appreciated!
Happy new year and thanks for the big guide!
i didn't check the whole of it and you might have already said something about it, but where are the steel commander? don't know if miss some other units
yes those are the ezio's
oh i see, thank you xD@@Seiishizo
So much effort in this video! Thankyou seiishizo!!
Jamire is very god for pve as well it can be on fight runes with cd.
i just started using oliver for arena ofense D: he's kinda cool
Very helpful video, with a lot of explanation. Appreciate it!
Always nice to know that the only 2 nat5s i have built ( recently started playing ) are below average 😆
What the fuu ^^ I just recognized I watched the whole Video when he said write in the comments if you watched the whole video xD Nice content keep up 🖤👌
I've been using fire devil maiden for Toah and it feels like a budget Rica with the DOT's. I'd put her around 70.
Wow, u placed Parjanya the water Indra on 55 :(
My fav Unit bruh xD
Hes good in Rta with the right team and he scales with def so hes a really good tank dmg dealer
He Provokes, he comes back and he have Lifesteal.
U can use him in Siege and laby too :S hes very good
Tbh i never saw anyone use it with succes hence my placement of the unit. but maybe i undervalue him :P
All Indiras a big Trash Most the Wind… Zero dmg 😂😂😂😂
watched whole video a-z, great content!
Thanks so much for the tier list. Watched the entire thing from start to end
I use Tomoei in TOA to spread DOTS, freeze, stuns, etc and lock down the teams opponents. I guess it is just me, she pretty much locks things down for me.
Haven't played in 3 years, my old guild buddy messaged me told me about the free nat5 event so here I am again... so many updates and new mons, seems everything changed since I've been gone
yea loads and loads of good QoL updates in last 3 years
idc how good Vela is now. I’ve wanted to summon him since 2015😂 Finally mine!
Hey you mentioned where Odin would be useful, but didn't say anything about runes. I'm a returning player and just pulled him, and I was wondering what rune sets you would prioritize on him. Thank you and great vid!
just dmg and 85 cr with some spd where he can take turns. it kinda depends where you want to use him
Thank you Seii and Happy new year
Yes, I watched it completely. Good speedrun.
When I was new to summoners war I summoned 3 Camilla's and I fed the extras for blessings....the pain
Jamire is perfect for giant 12 though. His skill 2 hits for like 100k with mediocre runes
Bloodya is a good Rica alternative if you don't have her.
correct, its just bad vs camilla cus of crit awakening
this is helpfull but there is missing nat 5 (maybe fusion ones idk) and its sad af
F for me, new player and I got the water Indra :( :( thanks for the video!
Not an F. He does not know what he's talking about with the Parjanya. You have one of the better units in the game. Easy 85. But you won't need him until you can farm ToA and go into PvP content. He's usable for PvE to keep other allies alive if you're mid-game, but mostly he's an outstanding PvP unit.
Thanks for the vid! How would one set up a Toa(H) team with Charlotte, Cheongpung and Bellenus or any combination of the 3?
those 3 + veromos + Tyron or something kinda depends on the stage
starting new with jjk collab right now, have any patches changed this list much?
Definitely annoyed with the redditor who told me to pick wind Dokkabi Lord over wind Battle Angel from the nat5 event (I know I can change it once but I don't think I'm getting back the devils I already invested). They said the Battle Angel is past her prime, yet here one of the top players is ranking her on top of the tier list, with the unit reddit recommends at the bottom. I quit during the cookie collab but had every rgb5 (including most cookies) at that point, so stuff after Battle Angels are the only options for me.
Water Indra placed way too low. Definitely one of the much better units in pvp content and can be used in ToA/H and Fire Beast as well. Hopefully he will see more play since he's very underused rn.
Still, if he continues to be underrated, he may get the Oliver treatment, so maybe we should underrate him.
What part of the "my opinion." Thing you dont understand?
Great video! But seems to be missing pudding princess and macaron guard?
I placed the cookie versions
Hey could anyone help, im a returning player i came back since the release of steam. i havent played for maybe 7 years id say im mid game atm can farm gaints and dragons b10 havent really gone into the other content as of yet. but I bought a transcended scroll and have the choice between water twin angels or water valkyrja. what should i pick
water valk is very strong in meta atm for Siege offense, Arena defense. Water twin angel is a unit that kind of needs a buff to be good. but we won't know when that will happen.
Thanks my guy ❤ @@Seiishizo
@@Seiishizo "needs a buff to be good" in other words it sucks
aaand were back
1:34:00
Why is Bloodya soooo far below Rica? I mean, they have kinda similar skills...?
because rica does it so much better + her s1 is just so strong
This video is amazing. Ty
Saw the whole thing sadly most of my new mobs are on the bottom tier
Watched the whole thing.
Just daying definitely seems like seanb is just making the same videos you are after you do it lol 😂
i watched the whole thing
Just got fire hacker. Any opinion??
very strong unit for dot team in arena offense
Taranys didnt see him. A Good defense Monster
I watch the all video good video pls nat 5 LD
But why is wind dokaebi not mentioned in arena defense when i see him 80% on every team that are 3 gold stars upwards
wasn't meta back then when I made the video yet.
battle angels?
i like more of these vids
Will do :)
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Watched the whole thing o.O
They reverted the Shizuka cd S2 nerf I believe.
gladiatrix win any good ? (eleni )
like there is any of last three 5nat monster on 75+ or above, they should rly stop making new nat 5
Water dokaebi
devil maiden family looks ugly and bad.
yea oddly enough all new units are pretty shit until one gets an oliver treatment :P
I hardly disagree with water Indra beeing this low - should be 80 at least 👍
I never see it being used tbh, so i don't feel like he does much. and when its in AD it doesn't do much it just stalls the match a bit on long animations
@@Seiishizo That's probably because not many people have him? I was lucky enough to pull him and if you use him right (it's not hard) he is a very annoying disruptor and creates an easy win for the test of your team in pvp offense and defense content. Very annoying to play against. Water Indra is a very slept on unit. I think once more people actually pay attention to him, he'll rise in popularity.
I just got Byungcul, is it worth to build?
yes
Wind Bayek is just a joke, weakest nat5 in the game, dude’s weaker than some nat2’s. My only hope is for Com2us to Give him the “wind nat5” treatment xD (buff the hell out of him)
bad, but not that bad
"All fusions worth getting" even the dark dookaebi lord? 🤔
after buff maybe yea
Desert Warrior?
Not a great unit at that moment
@@Seiishizo ah ok, thanks for the reply pal.
Where are the pudding princess?
I have the fusions but not included wtf
Will do next time around :P
leo or camilla ? :S
Please put Eleanor in garbage tier for the ld vid, so she can get the Lora treament.
What do you want her to do bro. Grant free wins?
Hahaha, she's not as bad as some other lds, so I got to be fair ^.^
Didnt include desert warrior in the tier list?
AC units = desert warrior
Juno on low res right?
yes no res needed
Thanks @@Seiishizo
Archangels deserve more love lol...
A team with Feng, Amelia and a crit damage Vela is still very solid.
But beside that, great job as usual...
feels like a tricky team that lacks healing to me, but yea can be used however is often lacking something.
@@Seiishizo pretty much carried by feng in anycase.
occult girls are so broken as a whole wtf
correct haha
They are all super good
I have wind Ryu he 1 shots Camilla.
Battle angel?
1:36:38
Where does pudding princess fit? I'm loving my Adriana.
thats the pure vanilla cookie
@@Seiishizo Thank you 😇
Saying someone could use camilla early game is insanely out of touch 😂 she cant even wipe her own ass until shes on g1+ runes and shes not "good" until g3 runes, before that shes too squishy to do literally anything and pve is all abt damage over anything else which she doesnt do much of
I disagree. she's great in siege offense early game. and great on arena defense early game.
Katarina is bad?😢
Where is Lionel?
water ezio
Can’t lie you skipped a ton of pve viability on a lot of these nat5’s, you didn’t even mention momo in early game or pve, she carries because of her passive, dealing over 30k aoe hits with terrible runes
Personally i dont feel momo is that great, not sure where you would use her that not a F2p unit would simply do same or better. Maybe thats for the "other ton of units" as well. But as always with my tier lists, you are allowed to disagree ^.^
did I totally miss the pudding princess?
Battle angels
Added them at the end, but yea originally missed them
new units just suck hard
Rica 100, Karnal 85 ... ok.
rica needs 0 runes to do dmg and is consistent in the debuffs
@@Seiishizo im not denying that, but even in pvp, she is a 2% pick in RTA, zero use in normal arena. She is good in early game ToAH, but ToAH can be cleared with so many other units, including non nat5s.
If the early game has so much weight on your tier list, ok then, but imho i would consider 100 as "units that change the game in a way"
she's great in normal arena with amber. she's great in siege offense. two places where i wouldn't put karnal. Also karnal is a g3 good unit in rta, rica shines more in lower ranks.
I didn't watch i listened so for future reference PLEASE stop saying "this thing" I had to come back to my phone to know what "this thing" was Everytime
will keep it in mind
Thanks sr, very good job!