i always had around 10-20% win rate with my AD (i kept f1-f3 all week then). Thanks to this video i made AD which has solid 80% winrate :O (and i keep account in c2-c3!) so better attackers than before are getting owned, and my runes are the same as before :D whats amazing i didnt make any AD u suggested but this tutorial really opened my mind. Well done Sir!
I start in G1 with about 20 mins before tally and end up G2/G3, EU. I always screenshot my score (rank, points, ao hits, def hits) at XX:40, XX:50 and tally. This gives me a good idea about what's going on. Last week for instance I got hit 13 times in the last 10 minutes in G3. That automatically tells me its a bad def
The fact that there is no real clear answer on what makes a def good makes this topic much more interesting. To me, core factors are: not lushenable, stalling and discouraging. Execially if you don't have those messy units that make the def unpredictable in anycase like tian lang. But mostly you need to be consistent in attack, because in the paper rock scissor concept a def can counter one offense but it can't counter all of them.
Reruning before rush should be first then understanding unpredictability is underrated... I don't have rune quality cuz I'm basically f2p, but I been playing this game since jewbagel started streaming this game. It's. I got 2 ld 5s. Akroma an MI Ying.
Something that's it's implicit in the Unpredictability section but should be noted, it's when building a defense that doesn't have that many room for many counters, it's to build it around the most common offense so it become a trap defense. When you know most people will use certain units building around that becomes relatively easier too.
sei this was very useful thank you, xD the fish thing makes me think we are very similar in thinking. I also think it would be nice to test the teams you are talking about with different counter teams but that will probably be a hassle for u.
well every team is counterable , it just depends which offs you make. so technically there's no struggle haha. unless you have some of the perfect ld5 setups for current meta
Trying to figure out a better defense i have pontos zerath camilla and orion but debating on the camilla and orion spots my pontos on fastest swift to cut or outspeed then orion on fastest vio to either disrupt or aoe armor break. Then zerath and camilla to clean up. Ive tried replacing orion with sekmet but i feel i need some sort of aoe def break and ive thought about replacing camilla with a strip like nora but it doesnt seem to fit with the theme of the rest of my team. I definitely feel im food for attk lead tiana and thats currently why im running orion. I also have frigate but that team falls to chloe teams as i lose to invincibility
I got Vanessa and double cam but missing just about every other meta ad unit rn.. double cam feels dead, and without a triton/zen/juno strip theres no reason for me to try to contest speed.
My only spd lead is: Oliver. (fresh acc) Can something like: Oliver(L), Miles, Riley and my random LD 5* Lucifer work? I dont have many options and want to focus on PVE but have a ok def
I really wonder whats your opinnion about a good ad with alex. I got her and tried a tons of combs with her for ad but when it comes to push into g3 i always get a million hits in the last few mins even if i pair her with units like halphas abellio and stuff :/ the ai of alex is just terrible. If she moves 95% she transforms and hits s1 afterwards. 😢
yea her AI is bad :( it's just that people might skip you. make sure ur not bombable. cus that's mainly a counter to her. halphas abelio are also both bombable
@@Seiishizo im using her mostly with akroma lead bc its my only 44% hp. I tried akroma alex windy camilla aswell all around 55-60k hp in total but they got eaten up like 1k times in the last 5mins of rush
Let's see if this video will help me. With my new pungbek team I would have hit guardian if it weren't for the shit load of attacks that came in. I only need a def so I don't get 5 attacks in in the last minute of rush and I'm good to go
not sure about those at all, sounds like dot team would easily take care of those. dark monkey doesn't add much next to a neph that already armorbreaks or otherway around :P
I´m running with Vanessa/Psamath, Nora, Tian Lang and Amduat on defense, it seems stupid, because of the Tian Lang and Amduat dynamic, but it seems also annoying, especially during the rush
Guess I’m a little confused on how I should put lucifer into my AD. I’m just running my offense build as AD(accounts only 12 days old at the moment), and I’m 8/15 in F3 on defense alone. Should I be using my halphas and bjungchul? Any other suggestions for a lucifer defense? Thank you
@@Seiishizo yeah I get that, who else should I be pairing him with though? I saw in vid you had lots of speed options as lead with like Camilla. Is this still best? Only way to build it is a speed trap?
well if you leo then you could speed trap it at 180 spd or something, but i think early game its better to just add tanky/dmg units next to it. Could even just use ur off as def with lushen, i think lower ranks people don't have things against it yet. So Byunchul leo lucifer + Karnal or something tanky with hp lead? maybe even veromos for hp lead. or something with an armorbreak like a nana
@@Seiishizo yeah been using my offense team and it’s 40%+ wr in lower end(I’m in conqueror 1 on it). Wish I had karnal on this account. Thanks for the reply
I use Akroma Nyx Nora Kinki on Defense. I got some Anticrit, Nyx's Passive and Nora Strip. Kinki just there because I dont know what else to put there, was thinking about Abellio but I dont know
Hi Seiishizzle, this is definitely helpful and will help me snag those ld pieces. However I disagree with what you said about the "defence gets hit" stuff. Wouldn't it be better to have a 50% win rate defence over a defence that doesn't get hit as you get points when it wins? Therefore you will not go down in rank with 50% winrate? Or have I got that wrong?
In theory yes, having a def that's 50%+ wr you'll gain points. In practice, rarely even the legend player gets defense rates that high. A typical good performing defense ends up with like 35% wr, so you're still on average losing points vs a def that doesn't get hit which stays neutral
@@Seiishizobecause i tought of a defense with Nephthys, kaki, triton and Pater, so enemy maybe will be scary of both be cutted by triton or cut out by patet if they strip him, you think it can work?
In c3/guardian I use Akroma, Nora, Lydia, and Camilla. My highest rank is g2 and only gets hit a handful of times during the last 10 minutes of rush. You could probably sub out Akroma for a lot of stuff.
in C2/C3 i use Karnal Leumei Abellio Lydia, its not the best but it works. I'm also open to suggestions on defences and lydia runes (I've tried nem/nem/will, Rage/will hp% cd hp%) @@fearfulclone5486
@fearfulclone5486 but because people aren't dumb, they can trap. Idk if Sonia handles ultra tank or nemesis Lydia. (Sonia dies anyway). I'm curious. I think fatal Sonia then... but if you got minus 30% wind? So many questions. I couldn't one-shot a few trap Byungchuls but most of them yeah, I cleaved.
Can you help me choose my 3rd and 4th unit for defense? Currently: Vanessa, Camilla, Options are: -Ariel -Eladriel -Nora -Riley -Juno -Helena Thanks so much for your time.
@@Seiishizomy all time favorite monster has always been Akroma. As much as she has fallen off, could you recommend the best 4mon comp to help her shine for Arena Defense? I currently am trying to find a new ID, and would like potential BIS units for her. My aim is to build a stall team (possibly with mono light units). Thanks for all tips!
Just use Vanessa, Giselle, Lora, Byungchul. Actually, there are hundreds of loras in ADs. I hate Lora. Most of them were swift. Of all Loras I foght in C1-P3, only one was despair. All Tritons aeems to be 220+, and some exceptionally 230+. Example: one guy is Guardian who has lora,giselle, Byungchul. I keep nicknames hidden. Dont wanna expose. I think lora is tiana food. Cuz if you manage to move in front of Byung, you kill it. 😅
Your ideas are great, but I feel like you leave pungbaek unconsidered. He cleans up almost any team as long as he has one target with armor break to hit(excluding mons like kinki or Camilla) but otherwise, he just needs one target. A majority of the comps you suggested are run over by a pung.
everything i suggest is counterable by something. Thats just how the life of AD is ^.^ if you would be anti pung it would become countered by something else
where is the goat disruptor. ginger brave man. jokes aside i would be scared to hit a gingerbrave defense that cant be cleared with 3 other units after one gets cooldown reduced and shield runes is still a 50/50
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i always had around 10-20% win rate with my AD (i kept f1-f3 all week then). Thanks to this video i made AD which has solid 80% winrate :O (and i keep account in c2-c3!) so better attackers than before are getting owned, and my runes are the same as before :D whats amazing i didnt make any AD u suggested but this tutorial really opened my mind. Well done Sir!
Ad with 80% is nutssss
I start in G1 with about 20 mins before tally and end up G2/G3, EU. I always screenshot my score (rank, points, ao hits, def hits) at XX:40, XX:50 and tally. This gives me a good idea about what's going on. Last week for instance I got hit 13 times in the last 10 minutes in G3. That automatically tells me its a bad def
yep those are good ideas
The fact that there is no real clear answer on what makes a def good makes this topic much more interesting.
To me, core factors are: not lushenable, stalling and discouraging.
Execially if you don't have those messy units that make the def unpredictable in anycase like tian lang.
But mostly you need to be consistent in attack, because in the paper rock scissor concept a def can counter one offense but it can't counter all of them.
Reruning before rush should be first then understanding unpredictability is underrated... I don't have rune quality cuz I'm basically f2p, but I been playing this game since jewbagel started streaming this game. It's. I got 2 ld 5s. Akroma an MI Ying.
Something that's it's implicit in the Unpredictability section but should be noted, it's when building a defense that doesn't have that many room for many counters, it's to build it around the most common offense so it become a trap defense. When you know most people will use certain units building around that becomes relatively easier too.
ty seiishizo you are the best !
sei this was very useful thank you, xD the fish thing makes me think we are very similar in thinking. I also think it would be nice to test the teams you are talking about with different counter teams but that will probably be a hassle for u.
well every team is counterable , it just depends which offs you make. so technically there's no struggle haha. unless you have some of the perfect ld5 setups for current meta
This was helpful, Im thinking Vanessa, Camilla, Savannah, Swift Rakkan
yep is a solid team.
Trying to figure out a better defense i have pontos zerath camilla and orion but debating on the camilla and orion spots my pontos on fastest swift to cut or outspeed then orion on fastest vio to either disrupt or aoe armor break. Then zerath and camilla to clean up. Ive tried replacing orion with sekmet but i feel i need some sort of aoe def break and ive thought about replacing camilla with a strip like nora but it doesnt seem to fit with the theme of the rest of my team.
I definitely feel im food for attk lead tiana and thats currently why im running orion. I also have frigate but that team falls to chloe teams as i lose to invincibility
I love the word "Specifical". Only reason I watch your content.
Great Video as expected Love your Conent
Very helpful vid
Yooo seiishizo ! I have question 🙋 I have Lucifer, 2x akroma ,Tian Lang Alexandra semei and only elementer you have a idea défense arena ? 😅
I'm doing Akroma Molly Halphas Amduat, let's see what I can learn.
Is nemesis Narsha a thing ?
Did you talk about geldnir and/or with light eivor? I watched til the end but only heard a little about eivor. Any comments on them both? Thanks
I got Vanessa and double cam but missing just about every other meta ad unit rn.. double cam feels dead, and without a triton/zen/juno strip theres no reason for me to try to contest speed.
got a sekmeth?
@@Seiishizo No ;-;
Should i go
Vanessa, Camilla, Amarna + Riley or Byunchul or Nana?
would go byungchul
@@Seiishizo thank you very much
Thoughts on nigong, fermion, double halphas?
hmm not great, limited strip, no spd potential. and 1x halphas is countered by the same as 2x halphas
My only spd lead is: Oliver. (fresh acc) Can something like: Oliver(L), Miles, Riley and my random LD 5* Lucifer work? I dont have many options and want to focus on PVE but have a ok def
i could lushen that easily
I really wonder whats your opinnion about a good ad with alex. I got her and tried a tons of combs with her for ad but when it comes to push into g3 i always get a million hits in the last few mins even if i pair her with units like halphas abellio and stuff :/ the ai of alex is just terrible. If she moves 95% she transforms and hits s1 afterwards. 😢
yea her AI is bad :( it's just that people might skip you. make sure ur not bombable. cus that's mainly a counter to her. halphas abelio are also both bombable
@@Seiishizo im using her mostly with akroma lead bc its my only 44% hp. I tried akroma alex windy camilla aswell all around 55-60k hp in total but they got eaten up like 1k times in the last 5mins of rush
Would be happy if you can give me some ideas so get it bomb proofed :D
@@kosurie-3236bombers lack spd since they face many rng factors and therefore kinda need tiana. so yea spd is a thing.
What do you think about fire hollyberry cookie on defense? Could be an annoying stall unit no?
maybe her on swift. i dont know could be a something
@@Seiishizo Vanessa or Halphas + camilla + fire hollyberry + byung? Could it deter some hits?
Let's see if this video will help me. With my new pungbek team I would have hit guardian if it weren't for the shit load of attacks that came in. I only need a def so I don't get 5 attacks in in the last minute of rush and I'm good to go
i have just one ld and thats Shazam. Would like to add him in AD. Any advice?
timecode for the runage advice ? ( sorry i dont have time to watch the all video )
you missed the core idea of the video by asking for timecode for rune advice ^.^
What do you think of nepthyhs zen sekmeth dark monkey? Or Triton rather than zen?
not sure about those at all, sounds like dot team would easily take care of those. dark monkey doesn't add much next to a neph that already armorbreaks or otherway around :P
@@Seiishizo thats true ,i just wanted to see if i could do both my ld5 in the same team
Now i try leader helphas seimei ren camilla what you think about that?
its pretty sure unseen, but people could leo christina it, since you lack strip.
@@Seiishizothat's true maybe change seimei or ren for juno?
I change seimei for juno was better i think about amduat who os better juno or amduat for def
I´m running with Vanessa/Psamath, Nora, Tian Lang and Amduat on defense, it seems stupid, because of the Tian Lang and Amduat dynamic, but it seems also annoying, especially during the rush
Hey Seii, how do you recommend building camilla for this?
tanky and fast
@@Seiishizo Should I scrap the cd slot 4 for hp if I have only +23k hp on her?
Guess I’m a little confused on how I should put lucifer into my AD. I’m just running my offense build as AD(accounts only 12 days old at the moment), and I’m 8/15 in F3 on defense alone. Should I be using my halphas and bjungchul? Any other suggestions for a lucifer defense? Thank you
lucifer is only good on def with leo
@@Seiishizo yeah I get that, who else should I be pairing him with though? I saw in vid you had lots of speed options as lead with like Camilla. Is this still best? Only way to build it is a speed trap?
well if you leo then you could speed trap it at 180 spd or something, but i think early game its better to just add tanky/dmg units next to it. Could even just use ur off as def with lushen, i think lower ranks people don't have things against it yet. So Byunchul leo lucifer + Karnal or something tanky with hp lead? maybe even veromos for hp lead. or something with an armorbreak like a nana
@@Seiishizo yeah been using my offense team and it’s 40%+ wr in lower end(I’m in conqueror 1 on it). Wish I had karnal on this account. Thanks for the reply
Please, Can you suggest any replacement of pontos if i only have giselle and 2 camilla 😢
vanessa triton juno/camilla giselle
@@Seiishizo Thank you for your reply. Very difficult for me to choose Juno for dot team or Camilla for sustain
I was wondering why everyone was suddenly using Vannessa * Shaina * Martina * Triana
What you think about karnal ariel feng juno, or what monster could i replace feng with
spdlead for feng or someone else
@@Seiishizo i sadly dont have spd runes for nephtys
@@Seiishizo you think nephtys on nemesis will with +156 spd is enough
@@Seiishizo i have to say that i could reach c2 max
Nora for this windie camilla vanessa def, on violent or 3x revenge?
i did vio but can be swift or desp to
any good seimei AD suggestions? karnal camila wind hacker seimei is good?
nah seimei doesn't add much on def except against the dot team. but a juno would do better
I use Akroma Nyx Nora Kinki on Defense. I got some Anticrit, Nyx's Passive and Nora Strip. Kinki just there because I dont know what else to put there, was thinking about Abellio but I dont know
is not too bad but also somewhat easy to counter on tiana truffle kaki + att buffer
How would you rank the light pony for defense ? Just use the world boss scaling from C to SSS
B
I have a Vanessa, and I know she and Clara fulfill different goals apart from bringing Spd lead, which one would you go for?
depends on the rest of the team, but I feel like nessa does a better job for me atm
Hi Seiishizzle, this is definitely helpful and will help me snag those ld pieces. However I disagree with what you said about the "defence gets hit" stuff. Wouldn't it be better to have a 50% win rate defence over a defence that doesn't get hit as you get points when it wins? Therefore you will not go down in rank with 50% winrate? Or have I got that wrong?
In theory yes, having a def that's 50%+ wr you'll gain points. In practice, rarely even the legend player gets defense rates that high. A typical good performing defense ends up with like 35% wr, so you're still on average losing points vs a def that doesn't get hit which stays neutral
Thanks, that is helpful@@enoemos12321
Aint no way you have defense thats higher than 50% in high rank.
Thats why its always better to have your defense to get less hit
what do you think of clara amduat camilla giselle?
can be nice yea! but i think a vanessa triton + camilla giselle is more dangerous if you have them
sadly, i dont have vanessa. I have triton and camilla@@Seiishizo any other combo i can do?
I have a Pontos (L), Geldnir, and Zerath... I just throw in that swift nemesis racuni then and chill?
Nice video! Do you think a Pater on swift can be good in arena defense?
never seen it but i think it might
@@Seiishizobecause i tought of a defense with Nephthys, kaki, triton and Pater, so enemy maybe will be scary of both be cutted by triton or cut out by patet if they strip him, you think it can work?
Def with lydia ? What would u use ? Hp lead+ Leo lydia giselle?
In c3/guardian I use Akroma, Nora, Lydia, and Camilla. My highest rank is g2 and only gets hit a handful of times during the last 10 minutes of rush. You could probably sub out Akroma for a lot of stuff.
in C2/C3 i use Karnal Leumei Abellio Lydia, its not the best but it works. I'm also open to suggestions on defences and lydia runes (I've tried nem/nem/will, Rage/will hp% cd hp%)
@@fearfulclone5486
@fearfulclone5486 I would hit you with adriana ,Sonia, Sonia, ciri/frederica/khali and snipe aroma, Nora, Lydia (with high att Sonia)
@fearfulclone5486 but because people aren't dumb, they can trap. Idk if Sonia handles ultra tank or nemesis Lydia. (Sonia dies anyway). I'm curious. I think fatal Sonia then... but if you got minus 30% wind? So many questions. I couldn't one-shot a few trap Byungchuls but most of them yeah, I cleaved.
Haven't seen the last vid. Is this one a revamped list?
this is arena def, other is arena off
being pay 2 play with vigor on swift because i never roll speed i feel super called out but yes it is neat
Is Riley good in the Defense ?
nah
@@Seiishizo why? I don't have experience with defense
would be really helpful if you added time stamps
Greate guide
Woonsa or triton ?
2:25 i love this defend becau i just douman it,
seeisizo should make guide how ur defend can proc vio 10 times
wish i could
No Alexandra ? The queen of AD is done ?
Can you help me choose my 3rd and 4th unit for defense?
Currently: Vanessa, Camilla,
Options are:
-Ariel
-Eladriel
-Nora
-Riley
-Juno
-Helena
Thanks so much for your time.
vanessa juno camilla +1 maybe you have a unit that is a bit more of a speed threat so you don't get tiana'd
@@Seiishizo thank you!
@@Seiishizomy all time favorite monster has always been Akroma. As much as she has fallen off, could you recommend the best 4mon comp to help her shine for Arena Defense? I currently am trying to find a new ID, and would like potential BIS units for her. My aim is to build a stall team (possibly with mono light units). Thanks for all tips!
My def at the moment is a Karnal, Camilla, Darion, amduat and I get hit only 20-30 times a week in c1-2
isnt that just pung food since darion takes MORE damage on himself. boosting the splash damage to the rest of the team
my current defense now is wedjat, abelio, laika, and riley
diaz camilla nora riley?
I've noticed in C1-3 a lot of the scary looking LD5 teams are absolutely terrible and super easy to beat.
Just use Vanessa, Giselle, Lora, Byungchul. Actually, there are hundreds of loras in ADs. I hate Lora. Most of them were swift. Of all Loras I foght in C1-P3, only one was despair. All Tritons aeems to be 220+, and some exceptionally 230+. Example: one guy is Guardian who has lora,giselle, Byungchul. I keep nicknames hidden. Dont wanna expose. I think lora is tiana food. Cuz if you manage to move in front of Byung, you kill it. 😅
Not lushenable, not bombable, and not tianable , that good enough
YEA BUDY
so basically no defense i can make with the monsters i have lol
try to look for the units tou have rather than the units you don't have. 😋
How rune windig ?
Your ideas are great, but I feel like you leave pungbaek unconsidered. He cleans up almost any team as long as he has one target with armor break to hit(excluding mons like kinki or Camilla) but otherwise, he just needs one target. A majority of the comps you suggested are run over by a pung.
everything i suggest is counterable by something. Thats just how the life of AD is ^.^ if you would be anti pung it would become countered by something else
where is the goat disruptor. ginger brave man. jokes aside i would be scared to hit a gingerbrave defense that cant be cleared with 3 other units after one gets cooldown reduced and shield runes is still a 50/50
Nora camilla .. i hate 2 hr arena matches sm
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I got Leah an almost 200 speed Tiana dark robo psamath Verad Vanessa abelio triton xhing zhe but I am hardstuck c2 arena anyone got hints?
Btw Juno and Byung chill and amduat aswell
what do you want us to do with that information lmao
Help me build and ad and ao
Watch his previous video it's about ao
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