Storm | 4K - Fast
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Based on recent developments in the industry, we’re excited to introduce our new 4K - Fast finish.
Innovation and technology are at the heart of our core values. Recently our R&D Team was offered the opportunity to dig deep into our process and develop technology that makes the finishing of our coverstocks more manipulatable which allows for enhanced customization for every bowler.
The 4K - Fast finish is the purest finish we’ve ever created. No foreign materials are added to the process resulting in the true coverstock making contact with the lane.
We’re excited to rollout this finishing process immediately. You’ll see it in new products as well as some historic, existing products. In the next few weeks, we will be sharing more tests and tips from our team about the best ways to care for the products that you choose to bowl your best on the lanes.
I can’t wait to try the 4K FAST finish!
Hey Luis, when the 4k hits, which ball are u gonna review first.. and use lane #2.. last time I saw u on Lane #1 u almost broked it.. I mean really, who gets a 300 on a review.. I felt so bad for u.. but u did change my mind on the Hustle Camo..
Later,
Jason
It will be great out of the box.
What do you mean? Its nothing new. Its just regular sanding without skipping steps....
@@exesemas from the factory will always be different that by hand…
@@LuisNapoles It's not the first time we get a factory 4000 bowling ball in the history of bowling. And besides, even IF there is a difference, it's going to be minimal exactly because they are going away from 1500-polish (which was not easy to replicate), to a regular all steps 4000, which is kind of the point they made. To be easily repeatable from bowlers. All they need os to mention the duration for the spinner or by hand, and voila.
Guys, this surface change is what has been needed for a while, so I'm glad you decided to do it. Too often box finish of "1500 polished" has led to a skid/flip ball reaction. The Code X comes to mind (but there are other balls that offer the same type of ball reaction). I don't know if material cost and/or availability has something to do with the decision to change surface prep, but I believe league bowlers will welcome it. Thanks!
I think it is a great finish idea. I usually scuff pearls to take the “snap” out of them!! I like the idea!!
The "4 Fast finish" is an excellent response to the hardness measurement inconsistencies, moving forward. IMO, it is much easier to maintain this finish as well.
it's just regular sanding (without skipping grits). Nothing "new".
Marketing spin on "we're manipulating the hardness tests to avoid changing our base coverstock formula." I support Storm 100%, but just give it to us straight. 'The USBC testing is flawed, so to prevent them from screwing us again in the future, we're altering our box finishes, to remove the variance that factory compound created.'
The factory compound didn't create a variance in hardness. It contaminated the needle. And since the USBC is ruled by a dictator who holds those on the board "hostage" they don't want to listen to that. Now polish can contaminate the needle and USBC can't bed over storm again.
Did you watch the hardness video, Alex did?
@@NorCalBowler Yup
“Look at this finish under a microscope…” would have been an absolutely phenomenal time to show a picture of the finish under a microscope
Finally! Love the change. Thanks Storm!
Will you be updating your refinishing guide?
I never use out of box finish since its hard to duplicate for many reasons. I take polished pearls down to 4K to start (500,1k,4K).
I’ve been doing this for years. It’s easy to duplicate and I keep a supply of fresh pads on hand for consistency.
4K fast is what Ron Hickland Jr has been preaching for years. Storn decided to jump the ban wagon! lol 😂
I got the Hy Road Pearl as my Spectre replacement. I just took it to the 4k fast. I’ll throw it tonight and see how it is!
How did the ball perform?
this is going to take the polish out of equation for ball hardness testing
Pretty sure I heard that balls are sent to the USBC for approval at a sanded finish for their testing and approval process.
@@taco4267 doesn't matter if they revoke the balls because they we're "too soft" in field testing. You can't sand a bowlers ball during field tests
@@AlterSchwedeWieGeil The spot checks are done with balls straight from distributors, not random people at league.
@@taco4267 The problem hasn't been approval when they sand them, the problem has been spot checks where they test them straight from a distributor without sanding them.
@@AlterSchwedeWieGeil why would the USBC be revoking balls after a bowler modified it? field testing would be to slap the bowler not the manufacturer
Does this apply to all storm brands (storm, roto grip, and 900Global)? Or is it exclusively storm products?
I would assume all the brands cause they are all made at Storm HQ
Its all brands. I just got my roto grip rst x2 and it came at this new 4k fast
This is a great idea guys. Great video
Polish has been more about shelf appeal than performance for awhile now
So in the spirit of the resurfacing guide would the process be as follows ? Or something different ?
4K Fast
1. 360-grit pad - Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
2. 500-grit pad - Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
3. 1000-grit pad - Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
4. 2000-grit pad - Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
5. 3000-grit pad - Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
6. 4000-grit pad - Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right? The steps explained from minute 7:00-7:18 call for 15-second sanding of each grit mentioned in the video. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit.
When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps.
According to the 2012 Resurfacing Guide, it shows 500/2000/4000 to get to 4000 surface. Am I missing something here?
How long does a polish on a ball last?
Been doing 500 grit abralon, then Step 2 with lots of water and pressure to get to the 1500 grit polished with no problem for over 10 years.
Curious, are you using a spinner? Also- when you say lots of water, is that with the pad or the Step 2, or both?
It would be appropriate for Storm to upgrade their surface maintenance chart to include the steps to establish correct sanding pad and times to arrive at their finishes rather than having to fish through thousands of youtube hours to find correct information.
Totally agree. I have looked all over the place, and all I see are old storm and rotogrip surface charts. C'mon let's get updated.
I just watched the video on the new 4k fast finish by storm. They talk about using every pad starting with 360 and not skipping a pad all the way up to 4000. But he never mentions 1500 or 3000 in his explanation of what 4k fast means. Are they used? I understand the time for each of the 4 sides is 15 seconds, but is that with a wet or dry pad?
honestly shouldn't matter what any chart says there is no single master correct answer to the surface question that can be charted out. Surface prep is based on performance of the ball and what you want or need it to do. You should be able to figure that out for yourself since you don't have a ball rep standing behind you. Surface should also be changed at events during warm-ups , also something you have to learn for yourself. A chart can't answer the question of what should a ball surface should be based on the reaction you see that day at said bowling alley with X oil pattern. It's just another part of bowling you have to learn , no different than your approach, follow-through , or release. Not everyone does that same thing, , not all sanding pad brands give the same results. It's personal consistency. pick a product and find a method you can reproduce ie. use a ball spinner or just by hand, medium pressure or soft or hard pressure , dry sand or sand with ball cleaner. all these variations give a different result.
I do believe you missed the pint of my comment. www.stormbowling.com/medias/Resurfacing_Guide_2012.pdf
Can you do a 4K Fast finish on the Spectre and pass the hardness test?
Even if the answer was "yes" (which it isn't), it wouldn't matter. Approval was revoked, and you can't use it in competition anywhere.
But what brand pads do you use?
Nah, need all my stuff glass...🤣🤣
TELL EM' MR.EUBANKS!!!!
Will there be a new guide for pro shops and bowlers on how to recreate factory? I have an old copy for ball spinners and for the Storm Surface Factory I currently use.
What pads are being used to get this finish not all the same.
On 02:50 i heard this : The Ra of this ball (pointing to the left one without the polish) is under 5 Ra, and the polished one is around 3." This is so small that 99.9% of players will not even notice the tiny difference in reaction. So there must be another reason for this change, as in fact it even makes balls look less appealing on the shelf. Perhaps something to do with hardness tests? The timing of it seems to point to that, as Storm was always the company with the shiniest bowling balls.
The gentleman on the right, is saying "hey what we do now, is what pros do, they remove the polish, so we're doing another good thing"....but this is also another way of saying "we were wrong to put all that polish on our bowling balls all these years because they don't have as a consistent reaction as without polish". (this is something Mo Pinel was suggesting many years ago so nothing new there).
On 06:30 they mention how to go from the previous 1500/polish to the 4000, and they say you have to go to 360 to "remove all the polish". That sounds weird since even a 3000 or 2000 pad will remove the polish. Also, since the other ball had a 1500 grit beneath....why not start there and then go all the steps up ?
the polished ball did not have 1500 grit underneath. This is another reason why it's a good change because people didn't understand how 1500 grit polished was achieved.
@@rb8999 Yeah I never really understood how they came up with a 1500 number. In my pro shop when a customer wants a polished ball back to its box finish we hit it with 500 grit, 1000, 2000, 4000, and Step Two compound. And that process is listed on a sheet that Storm sent to us a long ass time ago (idk when lol, I haven't been working there for too long). This is really that same process but skipping the last step.
@@JoeyBagODonuts18 the 1500 number was going by an old grit chart. 4000 + step 2 compound is what Storm says to replicate.
My best results were going to 3000 and using Ultimate Quick Kut polish which is similar to Storm's step 2
@@rb8999 They say in this video that to get to the 1500-polish , we need to hit the other ball with 1000 and then do "Step-2". So that was my point.
I wonder if this could be done accurately by hand
I'm all for this change! First thing I do with any SPI polish ball is hit it with 3k or 4k. Saves me a step and from buying more pads!
Better to do it with 3K instead of 4K. Reason is explained in this video : ruclips.net/video/OSLLkYop7jk/видео.html
@@bowlingxp8345 Thank you very much. I will have to experiment with that!
@@matthewhoman3077 You're welcome !
Is 3000 grit used, or do you go from 2000 to 4000 in the progression?
According to the video you go from 2000 grit to 4000 Grit
@@SuperCycle2 I know, but others are claiming "no step is skipped, and that means 3000 is used".
Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right? The steps explained from minute 7:00-7:18 call for 15-second sanding of each grit mentioned in the video. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit.
When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps.
Just purchased a 900 global Burner Pearl with an inspection date of 4/12/2022 is it a 4K fast finish? The label says 1500 grit polish but the ball appears to have a flat finish.
@Storm Bowling, Thanks for the video. I am curious to see how this will affect past and future bowling balls, along with testing this out with some of the pearl bowling balls i own like the Electrify Pearl, Astro Phsyix, and Dark Code. You also mentioned 5K, 6K, and 8K fast, does this mean that there will be new sanding pads being manufactured and released in the future? Also, will there be a new Storm Resurfacing Guide released on the Storm's website? Right now, the only Storm resurfacing guide that i can find is from 2012.
Excellent.
Is this a wet finish?
No so sure I guess I will buy another new one and compare for myself. I absolutely love how the ball works now.
Love it!
Is there a set time for 4KFAST procedures and Abralon work?
Still waiting on the demo you promised. Was supposed to be next video but I don’t see it. Have you posted it?
So you hit it with 360,500,1000,2000,3000 and finish it with 4000??
To get The ball to 4k fast finish
Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right? The steps explained from minute 7:00-7:18 call for 15-second sanding of each grit mentioned in the video. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit.
When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps.
How about if your using a Surface haus machine? Still 15sec?
Finally, been doing this for years, the 1500 polish was to erratic
Explain. I have the HyRoad Pearl. Greatest overall ball ever made.
@@TraumaER taking the polish off and taking it up to 4000 step by step
@@stormb28 Do you find that the ball loses diameter when you do that? I have a spinner, but only use it to apply polish or to clean balls. I don't use any type of sanding pads anymore. Found one of my balls after like 10 years was 1-2 mm smaller.
@@TraumaER no I don’t, then again I don’t have equipment that’s 10 years old. I would assume after 10 years you lose some diameter sanding and polishing
@@stormb28 haha I still have Fury, X-Factor Vertigo, Recharge, etc. I don't use them now because they are smaller, have weight holes, or just suck LOL.
The explanation of how to do the 4K Fast starts a bit after 6:30 closer to 6:55 if you wanna skip some details.
Good video but the background music was a little over powered
Does it say clean form belts! Move serves move drag ! Thanks Anthony
How to maintain the 4000k Fast? How many games before you freshen the surface up? Thanks
The answer to this question is always the same, no matter what ball or box finish: You touch up the surface whenever you no longer see the desired ball reaction. That might happen after 3 games, or 7, or 10.... or any other number. It all depends on how you throw the ball, and under what conditions.
If you bowl on the burn on old high friction wood lanes, tossing it 20 mph with a 500+ rev rate, then you'll need to touch up the surface a lot sooner than the guy who bowls on freshly oiled synthetic lanes with half the speed and half the revs. It's all relative...
I touch up the surface with ball spinner with final step after about 10 games, light pressure and lots of water. My balls always look like new and perform like new. Spinner at home is great investment.
Is it a wet process?
To apply the pads are you saying 15 seconds each side on a spinner at the pro shop (with or w out water) or by hand on a ball cup? I recently got a iQ nano pearl w the standard 3k matte finish and I was going to have shop do a 1500 polish on it to get alil more length out of it, I think I'll try 4k Fast instead. Also how low pad would I start if I'm starting w a 3000 matte? THanx!
Will you apply this to polyester coverstock balls as well?
I've taken a 4k pad to every 1500p ball I've had. Thankfully I don't have to resurface oob anymore with the fast.
If I take my “illegal” Altered Reality to 4k fast, will it still be “illegal”?
What makes the hyroad pearl special, it is that skid/flip motion, not a smooth reaction…. Im not liking this but it is what it is i guess
Well no matter what they're doing to the balls at the factory now, there's nothing stopping you from polishing the sh*t out of it until you can see your nose hairs in the reflection...
When can we start ordering a hyroad pearl with the new surface
When sanding and using a ball spinner, do you sand wet or dry?
"We're not skipping grits"
Proceeds to Talk about, how they use 4000 after 2000, skipping the 3000 grit
Ladies hate the fast finish
So what was the purpose of the change?
That's easy.... two reasons:
1) Avoiding the wrath of the hall monitors at the USBC.
2) Selling bowling balls in the Post- Hardness Crackdown Era.
Since all their balls with shiny, visual shelf-appeal got them in trouble with the powers that be, now they have to resort to nifty marketing catch phrases instead. Anything that has he word "fast" attached to it is automatically awesome. 🤣👍
Hey guys what about a 3k fast finish?? Thoughts?
I think it'll be 1k less than the 4k fast finish....
I may try this with my Darkcode
hmmm... Can we see these two balls under a few durometers?! I'm not implying these are soft, but I AM implying you guys are going this route to correct the whole balls measuring too soft. What I'm hearing is the old process didn't go grit by grit but the new one does. Thus, there's less chance of peaks/valleys resulting in the measurements being better.
Well if the consumer wants polish they should just do it themselves. Honestly idk anyone that uses oob finish on their ball. Most people will adjust it asap
I do oob on most solids but I will usually change them depending on what I see
I use oob finish because I am too stupid to know any different. 😂
If I go 700+ with OOB, I’m not trying to fix what isn’t broke. If the motion isn’t right, then yes a surface change is the 1st move.
Seems like they could have named it 4KFUSBC
So, how many balls in the Storm, Roto-Grip, and
Global 900 catalog will be getting this new treatment..??
And is this because of the inherent flaws in USBC's hardness checks.. I've been telling people for 2 yrs that there is a variety of factors that can determine the hardness or even softening of Reactive Resin balls..
Thanks for the time to post question.. will be looking forward to a response..
Thanks again also for making such great products, supporting American families and American Bowlers.
You keep producing the greatest bowling balls around and I'll keep buying them.
Jason
Who are you thanking. Confused.
Also car wax is a wonderful speed
I feel like the Zen 4k fast out of box will be too similar to the phaze 2 and zen soul… comments?
Cool video talk to tech bowling storm bowling
This is not the direction I expected this to go but I don't mind it
Thought it was some 4K video of them throwing the ball lol
Sounds like the polishing compound being used was unintentionally softening the covers … makes sense .
I've been the idiot that has used 180 or 360 then shined it up before. At least when I do full resurfaces, it's good to know that I've been replicating it as mentioned in the video but with the steps of 180, 360, 500, 1000, Step 2.
You were lying before and now you’re not is what I got out of this.😈
Surface changes gives variation into hardness, as you stated, when out of factory balls get tested. And now you’re changing it out of factory for other balls after further testing was stopped… 🤔
The six controversial balls are all finished at 1500 Polished.
They send the testing balls all sanded at the same grit. Usually 500 grit, look at the usbc ball approval list pictures and you'll see. All bowling balls from every company are the same grit prior to testing.
@@caseycuster87 read other replies, this is to combat spot testing in the field under dubious circumstances.
?? if it ain't broke, don't fix it??
And they didn’t show any shots. Amazing.
So basically, you propose as a new idea, what Mo Pinel said years ago...
Also you attempt to introduce another term , that is really superfluous. "4K fast". Till now everyone understood that to go to 4000, you pass through all the steps (360-500-1000-2000-3000-4000). The only exception was "skip-grit" methods. So there is no need for a new term here.... "4K fast", is just...4000. If someone ends with 4K but skipped a grit, we already have a name for it, we call that "skip-grit".
Mo has been saying it for years, yes....but Radical still sold shiny balls with factory gloss the entire time, so what's your point? Storm is just the first company to sacrifice shelf appeal, but we all know the real reason. Radical has been upfront about it for years, factory shine is 100% just to make balls look pretty because it helps them sell when sitting on a shelf next to competitors inside the pro shop.
Ok, I understand your comment. What is the typical process (if there is one) to "knock the finish off" on a new 1500 polish ball? Seems ridiculous to start at 360 and go all the way step by step to 4000.
@@KennyGrinols I think my point was clear. They propose an old thing as their own new idea. And they try to make it new by creating a new un-needed term.
@@frankschmidt8001 If by "typical" you mean what most people do...then i think they use a 4000 pad. But that doesn't do much in my opinion. Better to use a 3000.
@@exesemas And I assume you feel that all of the earlier steps, 360 etc etc, are not called for when dealing with a brand new ball when simply knocking the shine off?
500 2,000 or 500 3,000 that’s all you need
They're making a point that not skipping grits makes the ball respond faster. Your way is earlier and slower, which can be better.
@@cardinalcopium5088 thank you for the reply I knew someone would know what I was up to
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LMAO! Like we haven't been doing this for years. I'm glad Strom has invented this idea, Like it's something new. what a joke.
Go buy your Brunswick and keep getting inferior balls.
I missed the part where they said they invented this idea.. where in the video is that? My takeaway was just their explanation of the surface changes coming for balls that were 1500 grit polished.
What is the durometer spec? , since you are changing the outside.