Christopher Hitchens Goes After Rabbi Harold Kushner re: Circumcision
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As the recipient of a botched "circumcision" at 2 days old, and now into my 40s and dealing with all the problems it's caused me, I'm thankful for anyone of influence with the nerve to speak up about this crime against males.
Sorry to hear this mate.
Where's the my body, my choice here.
@@maxzzyzx8038 what lol
@@ChillAssTurtle WTF you think. Not funny
@@ChillAssTurtle They’re right. Why doesn’t that crowd say that to circumcision. Oh wait they’re a bunch of h and o and e words and think one that is cut looks better
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
I'll remember that
Very appropriate, yes... as applied to Hitchens, who bemoaned the loss of a bit of skin and supported the slaughter of many thousands in Iraq. Yes, let's talk about expiation, Christopher.
Ironic that he helped a revolution kill millions.
Indeed, big bang & evolution is unscientific, it is no wonder atheists Mao and Stalin killed over a hundred million people
The greatest absurdity of all is the belief that NOTHING created EVERYTHING.
I miss this guy so much. Circumcision IS mutilation, and don't let anyone gaslight you into thinking otherwise.
Absolutely! And it stems from the mind of man. Everything does.
I’m Circumcised and my wife loves it. No cheese 🧀 down there’ 👍👍
@@beagleman123456789 That's cool and all, but did you choose it for yourself as an adult? That's all that really matters.
@@beagleman123456789ok but should we be doing it to 8 day olds
@@beagleman123456789 Yea and millions of people who don't practise mutilation of their genitalia around the world don't have "cheese down there" unless you are a pig who don't wash your body. And if you are such a pig who do not wash, your genitalia is the least of your problems.
What I love about this is that when people around him tries to move on and sweep it under the rug, he digs down and forces them to face the issue. Admirable.
me too
He would not look at Rabbi Kushner
He did not counter the argument and could not. That is why the farcical anger.
@@mlthornton1 no wonder.
they have committed a crime against humanity for pushing and normalizing this barbaric and cruel act upon innocent babies who can't even decide for them selves by parents who deceived by deceivers.
can you imagine for more 40 years, North American kids are being mutilated for ABSOLUTELY no reason at all other than being accepted in a social contract group.
To Hell With Your Psychopathic Contract.
10,000 children today
I was hospitalised many decades ago. Across the ward opposite my post-op bed was a small boy. He screamed and screamed day and night off and on. One night his parents attended his bedside, along with a number of nursing staff and a doctor. The parents stood back in the semi-darkened ward. They left and the curtain was pulled around the bed. Very late at night the boy was removed from the ward. There was no more screaming. A very distressed nurse the following day informed me the boy had died and that it was a circumcision gone wrong. The boy was four years old, she said. That memory burned itself into my mind and has never left me. My brother and I were circumcised early in our infancy and we have both had problems throughout our lives. Both of us were circumcised for religious reasons. I despised both of my parents for what they had done to us - for their God.
I am sorry for what you had to go through.
@@AbdulQadeer-kf3vo Doctors are humans. Even doctors make errors. Just avoiding the whole process altogether would've saved a life
Do you hate your parents as much as Hitler hated those he believed to be inferior?
@@georgepierson4920 Why even ask him that question? Pointless!
@@AbdulQadeer-kf3vo Yes, but it is still a pointless religious procedure. Let the person decide what to do with their penis later in life.
Everybody gets REAL uncomfortable and awkward when the actual truth comes out.
Ultimately whether it's painful or not doesn't matter, mutilating another human being's body without their consent is repugnant and should not be done.
Very true. And it *is* painful.
@@bogusmcbogus2637I got off somewhat lucky. Mine was clean and wasn't botched. I still wish I had a fully functioning penis, but I still feel and enjoy orgasms.
Mutilating implies harmful though right?
@@joelmacinnes2391 No, it doesn't.
@@OpenCorridor-en3ox Not an implication , one would hope.
The "circumcision for hygiene" argument is like having a surgical procedure to entirely remove all of your fingernails so that you don't get them dirty instead of cleaning underneath the nail and trimming them since they grow continuously.
in some regions of the world there are hygiene issues, due to of a lack of water. That's where this tradition comes from. And even though most men in these countries are circumcized, they have higher rates of infections of their penis today than developed countries with easy access to hygiene. The Jews originated from a desert 6000 years ago. It's necessity depends on where you live
@@pikapi6993 It's not necessary today though. So it's outdated middle eastern "hygiene" cultural practices. Today, it's just torture and mutilation.
Well said
Circumcision IS like trimming the nails 😅
@@pikapi6993an interesting point. A very interesting point indeed
Oh how I miss this man, calling people out everywhere he went.
Frankly, the world is a better place without him.
@@endofscene, considering that I am not an evil person like Hitchens was, why would the world be a better place if I were not here?
@@bigshmooz610 Torturing and mutilating babies is an evil act. Hitchens never did that. As far as I know he didn't torture or mutilate anyone.
Anyone who believes that their race (or group) is chosen by God is a racist. And anyone who defends genocides committed by their race/group is a very serious racist.
@@bigshmooz610 Torturing and mutilating babies is an evil act. Hitchens never did that. As far as I know he didn't torture or mutilate anyone.
Anyone who believes that their race (or group) is chosen by God is a racist. And anyone who defends genocides committed by their race/group is a very serious racist.
@@endofscene, circumcision is not torturing nor mutilating babies. The evil act is on those who try to stop Jews from circumcising their baby boys. Hitchens did that. Hitchens is a murderer.
Facts won't change just because you deem them to be racist. Israel was in fact chosen by God as His special people. And the only types of genocide that is defended by Israel are the type known as self defense. Israel was never commanded to indiscriminately kill anybody and no Torah abiding Jew defends indiscriminate killing of people.
Christopher did not go after him; the rabbi impaled himself on Christopher's sword of reason.
Imagine saying _"I'm a Sagittarian and demand the right to cut my own son's genitalia"_ - you'd be behind bars before you got to the end of the sentence. Simply exchange "Sagittarian" for "Rabbi" and you'll be speaking at public events and worshipped wherever you go instead. *Religion poisons everything.*
That digusting rabbi made a joke outta himself in a span of minutes.
who tf is god?@@TonyEnglandUK
wtf are you asking me for, I'm not religious
just testing you mate. you passed with flying colours..@@TonyEnglandUK
Genital mutilation is no joke. Well said by Chris Hitchens. He put Rabbi Harold Kushner in his place.
i known why it's done but only hippies entertain the idea, joe rogan talks about it and hit the nail but he doesn't know the reason
And The Jewish people, Muslims, and anyone with a sensible mind, will continue engaging in circumcision anyways. No matter how persuasive the argument is on the other side.
I was circumcised and I wish I wasn’t. I never had the chance to make the choice myself.
That’s why they get you earlier bruh so you won’t second guess it
You have my sympathy. Circumcision is like religion itself. You have to inflict it on kids before they have a chance to choose against it.
Same 😭
I hate circumcision with a passion, and I wish that it had never been invented. It is a horrible and discriminatory act
I was circumcised at birth (not for religious reasons) & I would happily have it again in my next life. 👻
Moderator: "Let's move on"
Preacher: "Yes, let's"
Hitchens: "Hold my scotch..."
The moderator was very poor and cowardly....Hitchens was spot on when he said "remember we are not talking detail here"....referring to the Rabbi's weak personal examples and experiences, as part of his flimsy argument...it was just getting interesting, take on Hitchens at your own peril
@jeff Is that you Rabbi?
God this whole "Hold my" thing is sooooo played out. Please stop with that shit. EVERYONE!
@jeff Citation needed!! I'm calling bullshit on your comment. Also, your religious bias is clear as day. You are a religious fanatic no doubt, and as such you have no qualms lying to protect your faith. Feckbucket!
Pathetic creationists
My sister had her son circumcised.
When I asked her why, she looked as if it had never occurred to her that is was unnecessary... and then she got offended for unspecified reasons.
Good for her
@@usa2121 You must really like circumcision...
@@endofscene Not so much the circumcision itself. Good ol' rabbi USA just can't get enough of the taste!
She got offended because she was forced to confront her own beliefs. It's a form of Cognitive Dissonance.
You either accept you're wrong or get angry at the person who's making you reflect on your opinions and practises. Sadly, most people opt for the latter.
smoog you mean latter!
I'll never miss a human being that I've never met as much as I miss Hitchens.
Agree...totally agree
George Carlin?
@@tim4u2uTube he had some shit takes that just resulted in him being unfunny a lot of the time
Ima add Bill Hicks to that list
Amazingly perfect comment
He makes his point for him. Religion normalized mutilating and disfiguring a newborn. Even worse, he makes it into a laughing matter.
That's actually not the point. The point is rather hidden. Judaism uses circumcision as an innovation - it is used as a substitution for child sacrifices. Then, it becomes a way to keep the community united and unique. So the problem is not in what it does initially, that's fine. The problem is why it continues doing it.
@@dt6822 what ? It doesn’t matter the reason. The fact is it’s mutilation under the guise of religious non sense. And people think it’s normal because of the brainwashing they’ve gone through.
@@dt6822 but why not let the owner of the penis decide his religion alliance or faith
@@dt6822
I’m struggling to see how it is fine to cut away part of the penis of a new born baby for any reason other than medical.
I'm not religious neither were my parents they believed that a circumsized penis is more hygienic I still remember the day they took me to get the procedure I asked what it all ment they explained what was going to happen at the doctor I was terrified but to young to argue against it .I remember everything feeling embarrassed to take my clothes off for the doctor then having my penis stretched out the doctor placing a scalpel on the table but the cutting I can't remember I remember leaving the doctor's office and the pain of recovery but I must of blocked out the rest clearly it was to traumatic otherwise I would remember the cutting and what happened to my forskins what the doctor did with it I have no idear
Infant and childhood circumcision is a disgusting act. I don't care what anyone's reasoning is.
Zachary Weber yeah? And what’s your stance on abortion?
Mainly because there is no reasoning for defending such barbarism; only faith.
the foreskin contains 70% of male pleasure, 60% of american men are neonatally circumcised at birth, while only 0.01% of uk men are neonatally circumcised
@@s0la.scr1ptura You're not actually stupid enough to draw parallels between abortion and circumcision right? In what delusional mind state do you have to be in to see a conflict between a mothers right to terminate a pregnancy, and a humans right to not have their genitals necessarily mutilated against their will during a period of defenselessness at the whim of the parents.
Abortion is a right of the female
Intact genitals is the right of the child.
If you didn't realize it by now, females are protected by law from having their genitals cut up. Must be nice to have a legal system protecting you from abuse.
@@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse Involuntary amputation of the prepuce in males and females is similar mutilation. The female prepuce is much smaller than the male prepuce. Because a smaller amount of tissue is removed, does that mean it is not as bad?
A fetus can be either male or female. If an adult woman is pregnant, does her right to an abortion extend equally to a fetus of either sex? Is the woman's right to abort a pregnancy solely the right of the pregnant woman? Does the sex of the fetus affect the right of the woman carrying it to abort her pregnancy? For example if a pregnant woman wants to abort only those pregnancies where the fetus is female, and carry all male fetuses to term, does the pregnant adult woman have the right to do that?
Brilliant man. Kudos to him for speaking out against this atrocious act on children. So disgusting how people can normalize abusive behavior in this way
Peter Hitchens used to be by go to guy. However, he lost kudos during ‘the pandemic’.
This is Christopher hitchens in the video. Pretty sure he died before covid
@@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904 There was no reason to destroy peoples lively hoods over a sickness with high survivability.
As a person who remembers full well what the pain was like, having been circumcised at 18, and that under complete anaesthesia, I have to agree with Hitchens on the barbarity of it. The pain after waking up and after the anaesthesia wore off was excruciating and lasted for weeks. After the fact, as an older adult, I understood what both the doctor and that practice truly were. Criminal and barbaric is what they are.
Why would you accept to have a circumcision at 18?
@@GeneralPet
Out of ignorance and respect for a "specialist's authority" when what could have been done for my medical condition should have been minimally invasive and corrected via less drastic and permanent method. This was 44 years ago, before I understood the business that is the medical industry.
@@johneboy910 ah,so you were dirty?..also,im circumcised, bugger all pain but then again I'm a real man...and I like it...and every person I know who's been circumcised likes the look,
@@borednz2982 You're a real man because you think something wasn't painful? You sound like a 9 year old who fell out of a tree.
@@HuwPewPew and you sir sound like sergeant major from" it ain't half hot mum"!
The passion and empathy of Hitchens for people effected by this despicable mutilation is just WOW, Christopher Hitchens we miss you so much 😪
The medical community needs to stop pushing circumcision, too.
Just to clarify, only in circumcising cultures (e.g. USA and Muslim countries) do medical communities push circumcision.
@Major Styles I grew up with them. They hate gentiles. Brainwashed from birth.
@fatty bulger Nearly Everyone in My generation got the chop, none of Us Jews an if You weren't Chopped We called You a Cheesedick!
I want to find out Who chopped mine and Sue them for taking way to much off,,, Hahahaa!
You shouldn’t make such an uneducated comment Nancy, are you aware that a lot of boys get circumcised due to medical conditions where their foreskin is too tight and therefore causes infections. Circumcision performed by a Doctor in a sterile environment with sterile tools is not wrong in fact it saves some children from severe pain and problems down the line from the fact that they are more prone to infections and in fact they are better off without it.
@@yeshuaisthekingofkings1107 What an uneducated comment you have made Yeshua King of Dicks. The fact that some cases of circumcision are for medical conditions is completely irrelevant, the topic being discussed is circumcision in general and when completely unnecessary. If your appendix bursts you'd have an operation to have it removed but if I go around drugging babies and stealing their appendix I'm pretty sure people would be pissed with me. Just because in some cases it is medically beneficial does not justify it in non necessary cases. Pretty simple concept really.
It doesn’t matter how much a child cries or doesn’t cry with genital mutilation Rabbi! it is the permanent altering of another human being without consent.
What about parents who pierce their children's ears?
@@reneedermott5244 that isnt permanent mutilation of a body part genius
Also in most cases it is shown boys who do not cry only refrain because they go into shock
@@reneedermott5244 Piercing the ears of little girls is a questionable practice too.
Yet piercing an earlobe is nothing in comparison with removing the whole prepuce, which contains about half of nerve endings in the penis.
renee dermott That’s bad too. Not as bad as genital mutilation, obviously, but I can’t stand seeing babies and toddlers with piercings.
Moderator: "Let's move on. It got pretty personal here..." The rabi is the one who made it personal by bringing in his own son
WOW. Love Hitchens and never seen this clip before. He was mad, and with good reason. 100% appropriate response and the Rabbi (who clearly cannot see anything wrong with what he is saying) completely proved his point. This may be the most powerful clip of Hitchens I have ever seen, I wish they’d kept discussing it.
Love?
Yes, it's wonderful. Great to see someone who considers the truth more important than hurting people's feelings. Ironically Hitchens himself was technically Jewish (through his mother, I think).
Countless children and infants have actually died as a direct result of a botched circumcision. Every single person laughing about genital mutilation is a reprehensible human being period.
I didn't consent to having my penis mutilated. I can at least find a little bit of comfort knowing that the intelligent and well spoken Christopher Hitchens shares my views on circumcision. It's too bad he isn't alive to fight this crap anymore.
im glad i got colonized
@@Socialist88ok?
For everyone here talking about Hitchens smoking tobacco:
1. Hitchens did not hold a child down and give it cancer.
2. Hitchens did not force a child to smoke, even if that child would grow up to regret their smoking.
3. Oh, and most importantly, Hitchens did not mutilate a defenseless child.
Also, there's this great thing you should all read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
Frank Cooke
If your comment was addressing my reply to GhostDog, please understand that I do not approve of the barbaric trait of circumcision for either gender.
slučajni prolaznik What about passive smoking? Hitch lacked wisdom the highest form of intelligence. However, he's not arguing with anyone now he's passed on to better things I'd say!
slučajni prolaznik You don't know whether he didn't regret things in his final hour. So you don't know about the dangers of passive smoking? Ok then you don't know what Hitch felt in the dying mode. I saw hitch on TV talking to a child when he was near death and to me he spoke like he wanted that child to believe in God? But Hitch was headstrong and so lacked wisdom, it was like he was projecting his insecurities on to that child. All I know is Hitch is fine now and rightly so.
@@joesmoke9624 You christstains are constantly trying to revise people's ideals after they die to suit your "god".
There is no wisdom in blind faith.
Everyone has the right to smoke, so long as they don't put smoke into the air where there are other people, unless the other people have given their expressed consented to having smoke put into their air. Ideally, smokers should breath smoke in and not breathe it out but as that is impractical, as a compromise, smokers should only smoke outdoors, and only when they are at least 10 meters away from any other humans, mammals, or birds.
Circumcision of a minor not for medical reasons should be outlawed.
There's no medical reason either, phimosis can be corrected with a few small incisions.
There's no medical reason either, phimosis can be corrected with a few small incisions.
There's no medical reason either, for those with too tight foreskin it can be corrected with a few small incisions.
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Lol, that’s been tried throughout History. Stop being a tyrant and let religious people live their lives.
I remember learning as a child that boys in America get the ends of their genitalia’s cut and was utterly horrified. Then I grew a little and was told it was normal there, quelling my disgust. Then I grew even more and learning about it further; realised the kid me had it absolutely right.
Let's give thanks to the single mothers and parents who understand the benefits of male circumcision and that the child will appreciate those benefits throughout their life. Parents who have taken the time to educate themselves on circumcision have found it to:
Decreases the risk of urinary tract infections in infancy.
Decreases the risk of penile cancer.
Decreases risk of sexually transmitted diseases, including female-to-male transmission of HIV.
Decreases the risk of cervical cancer and some infections in female partners.
Prevents balanitis, balanoposthitis, paraphimosis, and phimosis.
Makes it easier to maintain good genital hygiene.
Makes it easier in nursing care when old.
Decrease in health coverage cost
Several surveys and studies have shown that in addition to the substantial health benefits of male circumcision, there are also sexual benefits including a greater physical appeal to women.
In a survey where women were asked to rate their preferences when it came to different forms of sexual activity, a substantial majority of women overwhelmingly preferred men who were circumcised; for intercourse, 71 percent preferred circumcised men while only 6 percent said they preferred uncircumcised men; for fellatio, 82 percent said they preferred a circumcised penis while 2 percent said they preferred an uncircumcised partner; and for manual stimulation, 75 percent favored circumcised partners compared with 5 percent who reported a preference for uncircumcised men.
In addition, 76 percent said circumcised penises were more attractive while only 4 percent said they preferred the look of an uncircumcised penis; a whopping 90 percent said the circumcised penis looked “sexier;” 85 percent said it felt nicer to the touch; and 92 percent said they felt it was cleaner.
Even women who had never had a circumcised partner said they preferred the way a circumcised penis looks.
An Australian study found that women whose partners were circumcised were much more likely to have orgasms, as well as more likely to have simultaneous orgasms.
Women don’t really care if a man is circumcised. Once your both naked, you are both invested emotionally and a thing like a little extra skin isn’t going to kill the moment. Most men in the world are not circumcised and we are all perfectly happy and healthy. Infection only arises if you are a dirty person that doesn’t wash but the same applies for a circumcised man as well. There is no medical reason to circumcise a man just like there is no reason not to eat pork or shellfish.
You must have learned very little cos you dont know what it is.......cutting the end of their genitals? You are not only wrong...but really sick....can you read? Should you be able to, please use internet or books to get the information you lack about male circumcision....
@@jonathonrobinson7236 There is no demonstrable proof of circumcision decreasing penile cancer, cervical cancer, HIV, and all other "benefits" you have stated. The only cultures that this sort of pseudoscience comes from are cultures that already practiced circumcision.
Also, stating that circumcision PREVENTS balanitis, balanoposthitis, paraphimosis, and phimosis is to state that balanitis, balanoposthitis, paraphimosis, and phimosis WILL occur in men, which is a lie.
I also don't understand the hygiene argument. A body is biological. It becomes dirty, and we wash our entire bodies. Why is the foreskin an exception? Hygiene is not a modern invention. My cat washes itself, and so do the mice and birds it catches.
Cleaning a foreskin is easy. You pull it back for 5 seconds under the shower to rinse it. If you have trouble with that, I wonder what your teeth look like, considering those must be brushed 2x2 minutes a day. There are MANY bodyparts that need more care than a foreskin. Smegma only forms with SEVERE neglect.
The irony in all of this is Hitchens will live on forever, while the other two won't be remembered at all
There’s a possibility he could be forgotten hundreds or thousands of years from now, but that’s a worse case scenario
@@willagerfairzack8130
Eventually everyone and everything will be forgotten
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Only if you don’t smoke DMT.
They will all be remembered.
My child was born (a healthy, perfect, baby boy) on July 28th. We loved him too much to mutilate him. My boy is intact as nature deems it! And I made it CLEAR to all the nurses and doctors that even brought it up, woe will befall if a "mistake" should happen... Happy baby boy at home!
I wish my parents were this wise. My mom only regretted it after finding out that the bandages are difficult to change. My dad is indifferent.
My parents were told by their physician that circumcision was barbaric. There's lots of doctors who despise the practice. Some doctors are even intactivitsts. I just wish more would suggest to their patients that parents actually witness a circumcision before making their boys get one.
I love my boys too and circumcised them. My husband is not circumcised and gets infections and causes me to get infections and he showers daily. As a caregiver, I know that the elderly disabled can’t tell you what they’re feeling and there are many uncircumcised males, who caregivers that do not understand the importance of really getting in there and cleaning. People have to use their brains and reasoning. It’s not always what you think. I’ve saved my sons from somethings risking other things. My husband hated that he wasn’t circumcised. He even held it against his mom for a while. Whether you do it or don’t, you’re doing it for your kid, out of love.
@@junelledembroski9183 Did you know that circumcision isn't just a childhood procedure? If your husband hates not being circumcised so much, he can do the procedure now, as an adult, with a fully developed brain. You still haven't made a case supporting babies being circumcised, which is a violation of consent.
User456 I did know that, but it’s also not recommended by his own doctor, I didn’t pry, but there it is. My children’s doctors, however, did recommend it, because of life on this planet being different for a blind like me who don’t have time to do anything but work, and I don’t want to use a daycare that I can’t afford anyway, because I don’t trust any Joe schmoe with my children. The point is that most parents love their kids, most people who love their kids, do what they believe is right from their own experiences.
Christopher Hitchens is absolutely right. I was circumcised and it has deeply affected me, both psychologically and physically. Circumcision deprives people of the enjoyment of sex. I found the Rabbi's 'joke' to be completely appalling, and his subsequent comment ludicrous. I would never circumcise my children like my father did to me.
4:26 The Baby doesn't cry because he goes into mental shock due to all the immense pain
Sadly people can be so uninformed/ignorant, it's so easy just type in circumcision on RUclips and watch a video of a baby boy being circumcised, they say a picture is worth a thousand words and every picture in any circumcision video tells the truth and is horrific from beginning to end.
@@gilliankingston8259 I KNOW, I'VE SEEN SOME IF THEM. THAT PRACTICE SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY ALABAMA CHAIN GANG STYLE JUSTICE, MAKE THEM PAY.
RESPECTS 👍
True
It’s amazing how educated these guys sound, until Hitchens speaks.
Oh please.. you are just one tight a.h.. aren’t you? So because this guy dares to question or even insinuate absurdity in their logic, suddenly to you he is not well educated? If anything I applaud that he doesn’t stop when he gets an answer, that is the mark of an educated person. You seem to have a preference towards well trained dogs. Perhaps you love in a cage like the others.
Like the man said if no-one had ever told you about god.. would you have figured it out yourself?
galapagoensis You knitwit Monarchyman was saying that the other guys don't seem as educated when Hitchens finally speaks...Ha hahaha..you nut
@@zebbanister2348 For goodness sake. He's not a nut, he just read an ambiguous statement a different way to you ( and me). Try to be a bit kinder.
Dave W Kinder? I thought I was being kind. I was only joking with him. Shessh you didn't have to jump on me like that. Next time try to be a bit kinder.
My mother is a nurse, and she refused to let my fathers jewish side of the family mutilate my genitals. Thanks, mom, for not participating in barbarism. The practice is horrific. They remove the blood with their mouths. Just because a lot of religious people do it, doesn't make it right. Burning witches at the stake, anyone? Does anyone remember the spanish inquisition? Or telling the native americans, northern and southern, yield to christianity or die? I'm so glad I became an atheist. All you have to do is stand outside the haze of religion and look at things logically.
You didn't have to become a athiest dear. The law and circumcision is of the flesh. Jesus is of faith. If circumcision and the law could save you then Jesus would not have come
@@murielsolomon9576 It's the 21st century, I don't believe in an invisible man who lives in the sky. All I could say about religion has been said by George Carlin.
There is an extremely small demographic of Haredi Jews that still circumcise using their mouths for suction (metzitza). That was common in ancient times prior to antiseptic as a way to draw blood to help prevent infection. Unless you’re several hundred years old though you were never likely in any danger of having the practice done in you. You don’t believe in God, fine. Please don’t try to spread false information about a religion that you’re not apart of and know nothing about though.
@@joachimjustinmorgan4851 Really moyles don't still do that?
@@Ogrematic, the word is mohalim. (plural for the word mohel) & some do and some don't.
Being that you're not Jewish your father's side (legally speaking ie; meaning from God's point of view, you technically have no father since you're a Gentile) has no valid reason to want you to be circumcised to begin with. So as a Jew I fully support your non desire to be circumcised.
However I do object to your assertion that circumcision is akin to barbarism any more than I would object to your claim that giving a child medication for a sickness is akin to barbarism. Circumcision for a Jewish baby boy is in fact medicine for the soul as it prevents spiritual death. Whether you object to this fact or not is irrelevant.
Good luck...
The poetry of deception practiced and refined for thousands of years disassembled by logic and the beautiful use of the English language. Christopher Hitchens.Truly great man.
completely agree with Hichens. It is absolutely absurd that circumcision is still a procedure that doctors do without hesitation or forethought.
Christopher Hitchens gave the perfect response to the rabbi's anecdote. Just because you know someone who has gone through the mutilation and survived or done the mutilation yourself doesn't justify the thousands of children who die as a direct result of it in the US alone, as well as the many thousands more in other areas of the world.
Not "thousands" (in the USA) on an annual basis, but 100+/year. www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
@@srbaruchi, which means tens of thousands were murdered in vain just within the past decade.
Then there's the torture of children aspect …
The inner side a neonate male's foreskin is fused to the glans with tissue called synechia①.
Before being able to cut off anything, the quack, they call doctor or mohel or whatever, has to probe the mucus skin from the glans② (can you imagine the pain?).
①Synechia is the same type of tissue, that fuses your nails to your fingers and toes.
②Mucuosa is the same type of skin, which covers inner eyelids and inside of mouth.
Children don't have sex, so it's not relevant for neither girls, nor boys to be involuntarily subjected to preemptive, *irreversible* cosmetic genital reduction surgery without urgent medical indication. Adults can make their own choices about their own bodies, when they come of age. Her body, her rights - His body, his rights.
Contrary to popular believe and aap lies, there are more complications in neonatal circumcision, than in those of adults. More than a hundred neonates actually die each year in US hospitals from this malpractice alone.
And why are Hiv rates higher in MGM US, than in intact Europe? Why have been no increase in Australian rates, when they stopped slicing? Why same pattern for penile cancer and UTI's? Lemme answer - cuz Murican doctors/ObGyns/paediatricians③ lie! There are no benefits to arbitrary amputation of any bodypart without *explicit medical indication,* which in practice means never. UTI's with both boys and girls are easily treated with antibiotics.
③Medical personnel, which encourage parents to prematurely retract the pubic prepuce of boys, who are kept intact, are still commonly encountered. Once prematurely retracted, infection occurs and they once again make a case for foreskin amputation, which parents at that point will have a very hard time resistanting due to the inflicted complications, because they are not told, that antibiotics is also an option. Myths of hygiene and penile diseases are still perpetuated in these areas.
@@OldTeaMate I agree with you, "Mate," but your math is way off. An average of 100 deaths per year x 10 years (a decade) = 1,000. Not "tens of thousands." Still horrifying.
@@srbaruchi, your right. That'll be thousands within the resent century. And the farther back we go back in time, the higher the death rates probably were.
One also has to take into consideration, that the cause of thise deaths are usually reported as other reasons, like hemorrhage, when children bleed to death, even though bleedings were inflicted surgery on genitalia, or by the wound surgery left behind. Thus it is evident to honest folks, that that the real cause of death is a result of the foreskin amputating procedure, without which the children have suffered, let alone died.
S Winegar ...just IMAGINE what parent could be convinced- even for religious reasons- to allow the cutter to suck the blood off their child’s penis with his mouth?! Do a medical literature search,people,if you don’t believe that infants have contracted herpes and at least one has died because of this disgusting practice. The sheep are insane.
I miss that bastard Hitchens
He's in a better place now. Oh, wait...
Mr tee Yes he’s in a better place now, in the deepest pit of hell 🔥 🔥 hahahahahahahahaha!
I would have loved to have seen Christopher get down to the essential point, here; that of just why the rabbi thinks circumcision is necessary, at all: what I call the, "Becuz Gawd TOLD us to do so, that's why" point. Religionists will "word-dance" for days to avoid this, as it then forces them to defend just why their religion (like all others) believes that it alone carries the "one and true" message from God. It is only after this point is admitted to that one can go on to judge whether more good or more evil is the result of the religion's tenets, each religion differing and being judged by itself in turn. It becomes apparent upon such examination that Christianity (which is an offshoot of Judaism) and Islam, despite their both proclaiming themselves, "Religions of peace", have brought more suffering into this world than all the others put together.
thelaurels13 so the deepest pits of hell are better than life on earth, and for some perverse reason, the idea of someone suffering there for all eternity brings maniacal laughter from you. Huh... I guess that’s probably how Jesus would feel about it too. Right?
@@thelaurels13 all the scientists,intellectuals,philosops In hell will make it a better place than heaven Count me in .
I didn't know of Christopher until after he died. I wish I knew about him years ago.
You know of him now, at least. Watch and read his work. Spread the rationality.
My Rabbi is fairly laid back. I told him my kids won't be having it done. He said it's no skin off my nose.
Boring.
Thank you!!!! Now I know I'm not alone. Every male member of my family is in favor of circumcision. I thought I was the only one who felt as you do. Thank you Hitchens, for so much of what you've done.
Actually I was circumcised and I didn't even know it until grade one..... but I only mentioned this because I know some men who have had problems and later in Life have had to have Circumcision and if it traumatizing I don't remember but I apologize for my comments if some young boys have been Traumatized, SORRY!
@@davidelliott1123 Just because you don't remember or doesn't feel anything during the circumcision because of anesthesia or too young to remember, it doesn't change the fact that circumcision are child abuse and wrong because the act itself was committed on minors who can't consent for their own bodies. Plus, most of the time children are unable to completely understand that they will have a part remove by a sharp knife from their most sensitive region on their body and WILL undoubtedly experience the excruciating pain that comes with it.
Even if they did, they will be just like you only realizing about it when you're old enough to understand what circumcision is. And for many children around world, this also mean stealing our rights to make choices for our own body when we are fully grown up; just like the men who have problems later in life like you mentioned in your comment and need to have circumcision. I can't see how this is relevant since they are now "men", which means they CAN consent, understand what they will be going through and obviously already have a proven medical needs for it.
@@bruhhbrahh Sorry for my comments about everything!, I am not a Politician making law's, but it looks like it just got you really upset!, if you like a good argument about anything, and enjoy a good fight?, we could just argue about any topic?, but if you have high blood pressure?, it's just not going to be good for anyone to get angry about any issues, so I found a little secret of what my friend would say, everytime their was an argument arising , he would reply to a lot of topics saying " That's just a Mood Point " meaning you will have a different answer depending upon your mood at the time of the Question!, simple, don't get aggravated, it's not worth it!, you just can't change everything in the world..... Have a good Night 😴
@@davidelliott1123 nah I'm not angry or upset. I'm just explaining cuz 😂 also my answer won't change either way whether I'm upset or angry because it was factual.
Edit: not trying to be rude or anything but why are you always ending your sentences with a lot of question mark/exclamation point and comma "?,/!," it was really weird to read it because of the up and down tone lol 😂
Good night too, or dare I say God bless 😉
@@bruhhbrahhProbably not a native speaker or just bad at English
I was circumcised late at four and I still remember being in pain afterwards. I don’t think it lasted more than three or four days. But then neither does a punch in the face, but no moral person thinks it’s okay to punch someone in the face.
Even if it was totally painless and risk-free (it's neither), that still wouldn't make it okay to cut off healthy natural body parts from kids.
endofscene I agree. The things we do for vanity are as bad as what we do for greed. Religion in my opinion, serves our vanity and circumcision is only one of its disgusting side effects. I realize of course some are circumcised because it’s believed to be more hygienic - which in a way is a minor vanity.
@@shiteetah I personally don't find circumcision improves aesthetics or hygiene. At least not in most cases. Many circumcisions result in cosmetic problems such as scarring, pitting, tagging, bridging, and discolouration. And hygiene is much more difficult post-circumcision because the wound must be regularly attended to. Intact boys require no special care and most intact men seem perfectly capable of washing their penis in the shower.
endofscene naturally I agree with you on all counts.
This is most savage moment I've seen from Hitch 😂 Kushner looks so deflated when he gets called out for that joke.
"Men never commit Evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." -- Blaise Pascal
We don't take an infant of 8 days old to the barber, but we inflict this irreversible cut on their most intimate body part?
There's no comparison.
Well 60 to 90% of Americans get circumcised at birth depending on the region. There are only 3million Jews in America. The benefits far outweigh the cons. It's all about health you doos!
@@struesbob7493
There's nothing healthy about mutilation.
And the so-called "benefits" are questionable propaganda by those who promote it.
You should never put your faith in a belief just because of numbers.
Anthony Roberts Learn the difference they are not complicated to comprehend. Definition of mutilation
1 : an act or instance of destroying, removing, or severely damaging a limb or other body part of a person or animal. Circumcision is the removal of the foreskin from the human penis. In the procedure, the foreskin is opened, adhesions are removed, and the foreskin is separated from the glans.
@traditional elder You condescendingly tell him to learn the difference and then go on to give the definition which clearly includes circumcision.
Guy Jackson In what way shape or form do you remove destroy or severely damage a limb during circumcision?
Hitchens was right to admonish the Rabbi for making light of the trauma associated with circumcision.
Terry Yeah but then Hichens loses all credibility with other things that he says.
Zeb Banister It’s hard to be right all the time.
Terry you make a valid point. So a person is correct on some things and wrong on other things. A really smart person is right about more things than he is wrong about. But what about those things he is wrong about? I hope they were not really important things...OUCH!
Thank you Hitchens. It is refreshing to hear people use the true definition of words a realistic understanding of what is going on around you without the sugar coat. No more lies
The rabbis response to Hitchns is basically that “it doesn’t hurt as much as you think”. How utterly insane is that? He is completely unable and unwilling to give any justification for the act.
Notice he has no emotional affect. Numbed
Circumcision is a barbaric and cruel thing to do. A person should have a say whether or not a part of their body is removed. And since babies can't speak, they should be left alone.
gizzycat cat This comment does what most anti-child-circumcision comments can’t: It respects people who are circumcised and people who circumcise children. Comments like this are sorely needed in other parts of this comment section.
I am not speaking for a Gentile in what I am about to say. But for a Jew, circumcision is a completion rather than a mutilation. It is the removal of an extra part of the body that historically speaking was not there. When I say historically I mean Adam. Adam was not created with a foreskin. It is as if God created people with an extra limb. We are only removing what is not mean to be there to begin with.
@Big Shmooz "I am not speaking for a Gentile in what I am about to say."
I don't see what the difference is. We're all human.
"But for a Jew, circumcision is a completion rather than a mutilation."
Many Jews would disagree with you. Many Jews are against circumcision, and many Jewish men feel mutilated by circumcision.
"It is the removal of an extra part of the body that historically speaking was not there."
Foreskin isn't extra; it's standard. And it's been there for as long as humans have existed.
"When I say historically I mean Adam."
You believe in Adam and Eve. How quaint.
"Adam was not created with a foreskin."
How do you know?
"It is as if God created people with an extra limb."
The foreskin has multiple functions.
Do you consider the female prepuce and labia to be "extra" too?
"We are only removing what is not mean to be there to begin with."
It is functional erogenous tissue which most people value. And if wasn't meant to be there then it wouldn't be there.
@@Mindhumble Such as?
@@endofscene www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/rabbi-berger-7-wonders-jewish-history/ www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/rational-judaism/ (if you have spare time these are worth listening to)
In relation to big shmooze, i agree with him but i dont think you can use it as "proof" that circumcision is good, as the proof is assuming that your worldview is based on the bible's account of history as opposed to the modern ideas of atheist philosophy and science, as the term "adam" would be meaningless, if you reject the historical record of the bible, and the ancient jewish traditions concerning adam.
In terms of jews being different, i can answer in 2 ways. One which would only speak to the neutral enquirer, which then i would answer that it is to do with the nature of the soul of the jew, which there is a fundamental difference, which i suppose you could see manifested in the way that a jew has no problem connecting with a transcendant being (God) without the need to picture Him in a physical or pseudo-physical way (even chrisitians who are supposedly monotheistic have to add the "physical" jesus element in for example)
For the questioner who is aggressive and challenges the assumption of this type of knowledge, and limits himself to only demonstratable empirical evidence, then there are 2 approached. 1. through looking at how unique the history of the jews are (of course on a fundamental level) and the uniqueness of the jewish religion, which is connected with this. and for this those 2 lectures should be more than enough for the objective thinker. 2. by the empirical evidence of the truth of the jewish tradition (which you can get also from the second of the 2 lectures above) and then naturally anything in the jewish tradion would also necessarily be true, which includes the uniueness of the jewish soul, (and body according to some, but that is a different discussion and much harder)
You can see that Hitchens can’t even bear to look this rabbi in the eye. I think he’s shocked to his core by the nonchalant way the rabbi answered this question
Thats clearly due to the fact that the rabbi is rarely questioned.
Svend Tang Mmm- not sure about that; I think it wasn’t the first time Hitchens had engaged with just such people over just this controversy. I think focusing away from the other man’s eyes helps keep survival nerves out of it. I think that was Hitchens’ - and a lot of men’s - approach to uncomfortable matters with other men.
Rabbi was engaging seeking eye contact. Hitchens was avoiding it. Disappointing see that from Hitchens
As a Hitchens fan, who follows him and reads a lot on him, I tend to see a lot of dick riders sugar coating everything. What, if you say Hitchens just didn't feel comfortable that the rabbi actually was gaining audience appraise, you're gonna suddenly combust? Grow some balls please...Hitchens would have wanted that.
@@bassinblue I think we can’t really say why Hitchens didn’t maintain eye contact, personally I think it was disgust, but other options definitely still have a comparable likelihood of being true.
That Rabbi, nice enough as he is, walked right into that one and you can feel the energy sucked out of the room when Hitchens sobered them up quickly.
genital mutilation is no joke!
I am not speaking for a Gentile in what I am about to say. But for a Jew, circumcision is a completion rather than a mutilation. It is the removal of an extra part of the body that historically speaking was not there. When I say historically I mean Adam. Adam was not created with a foreskin. It is as if God created people with an extra limb. We are only removing what is not meant to be there to begin with.
@@bigshmooz610 What an insane, dangerous mythology you're regurgitating
@@harryconquest803, in other words you have no actual counter to my words. Saying that somebody is making an insane and dangerous claim is of no value as it is based on a subjective rationalization. Likewise I could say that your comment is both insane and dangerous and it would have equal validity. In fact it is indeed both. It is insane in that it lacks rationalization and dangerous in that if a Jew were to not perform circumcision they would lose everlasting life. If you truly have a valid viewpoint then express it just as I expressed my viewpoint.
@@bigshmooz610 My favourite is the foreskin dowry of David, imagine taking time out of my day to debate the rationalisation of that, and of burying foreskins, and of imagining that chopping off the epithelium prepares you for everlasting life. Thank goodness the Torah doesn't demand penile subincision as a primitive symbol of covenant, then purity really would come at a price..I apologise if I implied I was interested in debating such claptrap
@@harryconquest803, 'I apologise if I implied I was interested in debating such claptrap'
My response, if that is how you feel why did you respond to my comment? & it is hardly claptrap. Rather it is your ignorance of reality. But so be it. That's your choice.
Hey, if you're not Jewish it doesn't even matter to you & if you're not Jewish it matters to me even less as to what you think.
& if you are Jewish, then you need to actually study the other side of the coin lest you stumble in an area you sure don't want.
The rabbi had his stock responses to this question, they probably work on the average naive person, but Hitchens cut through them with truth
Ummer Farooq Arabic is a semitic language and has trilateral or four letter root words. S l m (س ل م) is the root word in question. This root word means to be safe, sound, unharmed, blameless, certain. (From Hans Weir dictionary). Every additional letter has an additional meaning a connotation. Adding an “alif” puts it on the scale aslama (أ س ل م) which means, to hand over, to deliver up, surrender, to commit oneself, to resign...(Hand Weir dictionary) now adding the m (م) makes it an active participle. The doer of the verb. So a Muslim (مسلم) is someone who will find peace during submission to ALLAH.
If you disagree with this dictionary, I also have Arabic only dictionaries like Almuhit, lessan-alarab, etc... these dictionaries are a proof and evidence. So bring your proof please.
Fotara Bryone
The funny thing is that Christopher has been guilty of the same crime he accuses the rabbi of. He highly enjoyed his “no child’s behind left” quip despite the fact he was making light of child rape. In all honesty, it seems as though he got a bit angry that someone made a witty joke that wasn’t him.
@ "GODs laws (Islamic) will never contradict what’s good for humanity."
So you think it's OK to own other people as your property?
@ "ALLAH knows that the society was dependent upon slaves and slavery at that time,"
So you are saying that Allah was incapable of creating humans who could have a society that didn't require slaves.
Ummer Farooq I don’t know who’s behind the picture, but I know for a fact that you’re not black or Muslim. I know you only wish you were though.
It truly is sexual abuse of a minor. Anyone doing this or complicit in such a barbaric practice should be imprisoned.
So weird that the moderator tried to switch the topic as soon as it was about to get interesting
For me, the joy of this is the crushing silence of the audience members, mostly women, who had whooped and clapped the rabbi's ill judged attempt at humour.
Every medical procedure done to a child without medical necessity should be a crime. Why don't those crazy fuckers do it to their kids when they are 16 or 18? Because it is so much easier to mutilate a baby that can't say no.
@Golden Knight please hurry up and go your own way already.
@HandyMan101 You mean when useless men get out of the way of everyone else who actually contributes more than bitching and violence stemming from self hatred, insecurity, and ignorance regardless of sex/gender? I actively strive for and look forward to it. Your threat is not a threat. It is what the rest of us men and women hope for every day
Women often love to laugh when there is a story in the news about some guy getting his manhood chopped by angry ex partners etc, no surprise they get tittlated by circumcision. The even seem to be more in favour of dog castration. LEAVE OUR MALE PARTS ALONE!
They do it to girls too .
Hitchens is absolutely spot on!
From what I've seen he always is
Hitchens is absolutely a fool
@@fireandgrace9456 who’s a fool? Believing in invisible spaghetti monsters? Lmao your as much of a joke as your name
@@HW.0029 I can assure you we did not go from Fish to philosophers evolution is not real it is a theory after all and atheists have no idea how the universe started they say from the big bang and then Christians ask what started the big bang and then they’re like we don’t know nothing, so in essence you believe nothing created everything. As Dawkins says.
I have a question for you. Can you please answer it in detail 👇
why is murder wrong?
@@fireandgrace9456 nah I won’t debate people who believe in things without evidence. Aka dumbass
Comparing a first haircut to circumcision is absurd. For those of us who have had circumcision, even when young, the pain is beyond belief , beyond most anything one can imagine.
I've been circumcised and don't remember any pain. My son has also been circumcised and doesn't recall any pain.
@@jonathonrobinson7236 cause you & your son most likely got castrated after birth do it when your a lil older & you’ll see 😂😂
@@rayonensb7945 My friend, because of my parent's high degree of intelligence, they spared me from going through the pain that comes with circumcision in adult life. They understood how beneficial a circumcised penis is to a non-circumcised one is. In other words, you are as dumb as your parents.
@@jonathonrobinson7236 😂🤣 aint no benefits to circumcision my guy that shit is just a cultural or religious ritual sacrifice that’s all it’s ever been, take for instance female circumcision aint no benefits to that crap either but it’s done cause it’s a cultural or religious ritual thing among muslims & African tribes and east asians
@@rayonensb7945 Once again, you are 100% wrong about male circumcision. God ordained male circumcision for the Jews but it's no longer a requirement since Jesus. Although it's not a requirement today, it can be still practiced because it was considered safe by God or He would never have required it. God never ordained women to be circumcised.
I was circumcised as a child and wish I wasn't. Needless to say, I made damn sure not to have that done to my son.
His look at 6:22 is just priceless... The way he realizes how disgustingly immoral his previous comment on circumcition really was. All hitchens had to do was rephrase the same sentence in a slightly different way for the absolutely repulsive reasoning of this guy to be self evident.
Sick, perverse, absolutely unforgivable behavior.
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Agreed. And the primary reason the blood sucking thing is done is because of tradition. In the old days of circumcision that was the only means of sterilizing the wound, sucking the blood out of it, dousing it in some kind of alcohol, etc. The fact that Jews can do this without a second thought is disgusting.
Agree Mike , imagine if being Scottish or a fan of rugby meant a tradition of cutting a part off a baby ? It would be banned , of course it would. So why the fuck do jews get special treatment ? Creepy too.
An exceptional orator who shares his insights and presses others to look at themselves. I do miss the empowering, playful, and challenging Mr. Christopher Hitchens.
Christopher, yet again, not suffering fools lightly. Me, thanking him posthumously, yet again.
Makes me sad to know that part of my life has been robbed from me. No produced in the world will bring back the nerve endings they fried in that process.
Did they give him a receipt after that show? Because he fucking owned that Rabbi. Good for him for not going easy. This needs to be done to these sick fucks who are still doing this.
I think Hitch kicked a little Rabbi ass in this one...
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yes he did.
I just could not wrap my mind around that Rabbi... even after Hitch exposed him with the comments about genital mutilation NOT being a subject for levity... the fool went right on talking as if it were all a big joke...
If I'd made such a horrible comment and someone like Hitch called me out on it, I would have slunk off that stage like a whipped child... yet more evidence theists have no shame at all
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oh I am sure of that!
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oddly enough though, I have seen some evidence that he really wasn't as nasty as he appeared...
have you seen the one where Penn Gilette talks about the time Hitch came to his house?
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yup, exactly, and I totally respect that
Every time I hear someone bashing him, it's always based on crap... the guy told the truth as he found it, something this world could use a lot more of...
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exactly!
Christopher Hitchens was a hero.
The world needs more people like Hitch. Rest in peace.
Christopher Hitchens : superior! How he takes on the Rabbi on Circumcision, brave and courageous! Thanks!
It fills me with happiness that there is (or was) someone who bothered to stick up for this issue. I'm considering taking my life soon, and while my being circumcised is not the only reason for doing so, it's a major one. But it makes me feel glad that someone was willing to speak on something that pains me everyday
MANY people speak out against circumcision. Check out the group Bloodstained Men and Their Friends on Facebook.
It’s kind of disturbing you got 3 likes for that comment but nobody has actually raised any concern about you „considering taking your life soon”… I sincerely hope you’re still there and have found some happiness.
hope you are doing fine, keep it up and wish to hear from you, mate.
Hopefully you're holding on. Foregen may be able to make you whole again.
How are you doing?
He just wasn’t afraid to call out the BS.
I can't think of anyone with a greater authority on moral sense than Christopher Hitchens. Truly inspiring. How we could have needed some wise words from him these days. Imagine...
"There are health benefits..."
I am dying to hear what those health benefits are....! Anyone?
When you go for a pee in the desert.. you don't get sand under the foreskin... it's much more hygienic... thus, less germs... DUH!!!! OBVIOUSLY.
Craig Dow
yes, indeed. Circumcised men can leave out these time consuming useless daily showers! It is also said that circ helps you eyes degenerate far slower! No more glasses!
Moreover, circ genitals bring great luck upon your family as your local shaman will be happy to confirm.
Cleanliness. Decreases the risk of contracting AIDS. Looks way less disgusting.
Daniel Joseph
"cleaningness" - ever heard of soap and water?
"Decreases the risk of contracting AIDS."
- ever heard of condoms?
"Looks way less disgusting. "
- personal preferences are no argument for harming others.
Bohewulf I simply answered the question posed by deadmanvir. my last point was a joke. I love my "mutilated" (give me a goddam break) weapon of desire, and I wouldn't trade all the pain I didn't feel for anything. those who oppose this practice--which is not limited to the Abrahamic religions or even to religion itself--are always either women or men who are uncircumcised, with the sensibility of a woman.
Christopher hitchens
Was only telling the truth...
In his Marxist opinion.
I keep wondering!
How is it possible to brainwash people to this extent!
I suppose if your religion indoctrinated you from childhood,
It's really difficult, and in a lot of cases impossible to break free,
and think logically!
I did not like who he ridiculed the rabbi. He totally lost me there. I am agnostic by the way.
What is this information you are giving me based on!
A book like! The kuran or bible!
If that's the only source you get your information from,
Then I'm not going to waste my time with you,
It would be pointless and time consuming...
@@karmaking1263 It was all the fashion to demolish everything that helped build western civilization.
Legend. The world is worse off without that man.
The one and only Christopher Hitchens. What a shining light he was to this world.
You can tell a lot about a person and what they believe when they genuinely think genital mutilation is funny in any way.
You're missing the point the Rabbi is making. It's not genital mutilation for a Jew. Rather it is a completion in removing an extra part of the body. A Jewish male who is not circumcised is a defective person. He used humor instead of what he really should have done. What I would have done. I would have made Hitchens into the mockery he deserved to be made into. I would have shown Hitchens how ignorant he truly was.
The world is a better place that now he is gone. Good riddance to the trash and may he rest in pieces...
Big Shmooz hacking parts off a human without consent or a good reason qualifies as mutilation in any context. The rabbi made a joke because he’s not comfortable calling this obscene practice what it is. Cutting part of a defenseless babies penis off for stupid reasons.
@@nickokona6849, but that is the point it is the best reason. It is more essential for a Jew to remove the foreskin than to cut out a cancerous body part. Would you also advocate removing a cancerous body part as mutilation?
I disagree with you as to the reasoning of the Rabbi for inserting humor. I live with the same concepts and under the same circumstances so I am better qualified than yourself to make such an observation. Are you even Jewish?
Big Shmooz Big Shmooz oh, give me a fuckin break.
Removing cancer is a matter of life and death. Chopping a babies penis up isn’t. Do you know the difference between elective surgeries and life saving ones? I’m not sure you know what essential means.
I’d advocate if you’re going to mutilate a baby, your reason better be more solid than “bbecause im a Jew, and I’m going to force this on my child because mindless tradition”. It used to be a Jewish tradition to own slaves. It took a while, but they grew out of that immoral nonsense. This is no different.
Are you seriously saying that only Jews can have opinions on. Barbaric cultural practices of Jews? Because that it ridiculous. You being Jewish only makes you bias towards their practice of mutilation. As you have plainly demonstrated.
@@nickokona6849 This guy is really messed up. He claims that infant circumcision is painless and that circumcision wounds are healed by the North wind!
Great Man, greatly missed.
My respect for Hitchens continues to grow and grow. R. I. P.
My brother was born without eyelids. The doctors told Mum that as he hadn't been circumcised they could use the extra skin to build him a set. Mum said 'what? He'll be cockeyed.' The doctor replied, 'yer, but he'll have great foresight.'
Prick.
Lmfao thank you bro 🙏
Okay, that's a good joke
Wow, it seems as though that rabbi had a cold bucket of reality thrown at him.
Probably does'nt come across much in the way of contradiction and counter arguments too often thats why.
Very cold
Not really
@@daikayll1897 Yea, it's anti-semitic to push back on anything said by these people... lol
OtherWorlds AllWorlds lol. That’s a PhD MD. From John Hopkins medical center and university. You just proved that you follow a blind religion of materialism and Hitchens is your high priest.
The rabbi attempts to defend forced genital cutting at 4:20, followed by Hitchens' fantastic rebuttal. Watch to the end of the clip, where Hitch says his famous quote: "Genital mutilation is no joke."
The American Pediatric Association now recommends male circumcision for health reasons.
OomYaaqub B You misstated their name - it's the American Academy of Pediatrics...and they do NOT recommend circumcision. Read their policy - they assert some benefits, but stop short of a "recommendation." Several pediatrician groups from non-cutting cultures (e.g. Royal Dutch Medical Society) discourage infant male genital cutting.
OomYaaqub B
Bullshit.
Where do you people get this crap from?!
Wow, so epic... he condemns circumcision, equates it with the cutting of the clit, (in order words he is using some low level generalizations), and then he goes and commits TOBBACO MUTILATION. That is epic to you?
OomYaaqub B whoever recommends circumcision are either idiots or evil no matter what their credentials are.
I love how Hitch is just waiting in the wings here to utterly obliterate these two dinosaurs.
Waaoowww... The greatness of this man.. I m in love with him
Christopher is so missed because of the way he was so amazingly articulate. He could sum up an emotion and opinion perfectly in a few words without sounding pious, preachy or pretentious,every sentence and word structures beautifully. Never afraid to say his point , whatever the subject.And always able to back up what he has to say.
I was circumcised when I was 26 and then again at 29. The local anesthetic failed both times. It was excruciatingly painful. The surgeon who performed the last circumcision did not even believe that I was in pain. And now I have to redo the procedure again, because also he made a mistake and there are still complications. Very bad.
Sorry for you. Go well.
Sorry, out of curiosity - what was your motivation to do it in the first place?
@@DarkWildSaison Chronic inflammation
@@Popitet that's bullshit
Christopher Hitchens was such a wise man who spoke so eloquently and with extensive knowledge against the injustice and ignorance spread by religions. He is sorely missed.
Hitch had one of the finest minds of his generation and one of the most beautiful speaking voices in the English language that I can remember.
He said something great in a speech to writers at a university. To try and say sentences never said before. What a beautiful challenge.
7.03 ''Lets bring it on'' These words when said by Hitch made grown Men cower.
Parents have only one right and that's to name their child, everything else is a responsibility.
uh ha.
Hmmm. No kids eh?
Even naming your child is a responsibility. It's often the first thing people know about you, so if you get it wrong... Well, we all know that first impressions do count a great deal in life.
I shall name him Adolf.
Tis my right.
@@wills7817 Good name
The rabbi looks at him with such disbelief, as if he can’t comprehend the audacity that someone would dare pull him up on what he said. Like no one ever had before. Fantastic.
I'm Jewish, and I hate that I was circumcised!
Have you heard about Foregen?
What Hitchens does here is incredible. And all without the Rabbi seeming to be aware of it.
Oh, Mr. Rabbi was plenty aware here. His face puckered as if he slung back a hefty handful of Warheads.
So awesome. Hitch gave more or less the best possible response to the rabbi's haircut remark. Not sure I would have been able to come up with that.
We should never call it the euphemism 'circumcision'. That's what they used to call FGM. We should always call it what is it, genital mutilation.
Yes, if if wasn't for the religious protection, the modern medical industry would be calling it "prepucectomy". Why are humans so stupid?
Credits for Hitchens not shying away from confronting and asking the tough questions. Kudos indeed.
One of the best hitchslaps miss you Mr hitchens.
Witnessing the circumcision of my son could very well be the first reason i started to question and gradually lose my religion ,animal sacrifice was another sick practice how i wish now that i could go back and undo these criminal acts.
Let's give thanks to the single mothers and parents who understand the benefits of male circumcision and that the child will appreciate those benefits throughout their life. Parents who have taken the time to educate themselves on circumcision have found it to:
Decreases the risk of urinary tract infections in infancy.
Decreases the risk of penile cancer.
Decreases risk of sexually transmitted diseases, including female-to-male transmission of HIV.
Decreases the risk of cervical cancer and some infections in female partners.
Prevents balanitis, balanoposthitis, paraphimosis, and phimosis.
Makes it easier to maintain good genital hygiene.
Makes it easier in nursing care when old.
Decrease in health coverage cost
Several surveys and studies have shown that in addition to the substantial health benefits of male circumcision, there are also sexual benefits including a greater physical appeal to women.
In a survey where women were asked to rate their preferences when it came to different forms of sexual activity, a substantial majority of women overwhelmingly preferred men who were circumcised; for intercourse, 71 percent preferred circumcised men while only 6 percent said they preferred uncircumcised men; for fellatio, 82 percent said they preferred a circumcised penis while 2 percent said they preferred an uncircumcised partner; and for manual stimulation, 75 percent favored circumcised partners compared with 5 percent who reported a preference for uncircumcised men.
In addition, 76 percent said circumcised penises were more attractive while only 4 percent said they preferred the look of an uncircumcised penis; a whopping 90 percent said the circumcised penis looked “sexier;” 85 percent said it felt nicer to the touch; and 92 percent said they felt it was cleaner.
Even women who had never had a circumcised partner said they preferred the way a circumcised penis looks.
An Australian study found that women whose partners were circumcised were much more likely to have orgasms, as well as more likely to have simultaneous orgasms.
@@jonathonrobinson7236 hey buddy the only thing worse than no information is the wrong information.... people like you sell your sick practices by justifying it with this sort of crap "studies" that you brainwash the innocent .... shame! Shame ! Shame ! On you and all those like you who promote your sick practices of genital mutilation on babies in the name of cruel religious practices or otherwise..
All those things you wrote in those chapters of your comments in your reply ..are as false as the people who promote them .. educate yourself properly from valid sources before you open your mouth to spread false information..it's time to stop the promoters of genital mutilation like we stopped slavery...
Produce the "surveys and studies" you claim and i will show you who's butt it was pulled out of.. shame! On you...
Notice how uncomfortable they become when you hit the nail right on the head and drive it through in one stroke
My parents sent me to reformed Jewish Sunday school so I could learn of my Jewish heritage when i was about 8 or 9, I heard the story of God pulling the stunt of asking Abraham to sacrifice his son to prove his devotion to this God. That was my introduction to this idea of a god and the beginning of my life as an atheist.
I think Chis enjoyed pointing out the hypocrisy of religion directly to the religious zealots. Chris was a masterful debater and a great mind that is missed. Thankfully his videos are forever archived on the interweb for all to see this great genius!
He disliked being called, "Chris" insisting on Christopher.