Damn. I interpreted the "somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep" as a metaphor for the time that you are alive. The sacred silence was before you were born, and sleep is the eternal rest after your die, so to speak. And what happens in between is the "disorder" and chaos of your life. Boy was I wrong haha
Imo it is disorder. He didnt finish or say completely the answer. He stated sacred silence being meditation and sleep. Where also in sleep you have the moment where u sort of meditate. Idk from what he said i still think that between the sacred silence and sleep is todays life - disorder. Im not discarding Serj (for obvious reasons), im saying he didnt sort of completely answer directly or correctly the question. Soad is my r1 band ever in life and WILL stay that way forever
System has always said their music is up for interpretation - which is why they wouldn't explain or clarify lyrics in some of their interviews. That's the beautiful thing about a great song; it can mean different things to different people. The impact is there regardless.
@@hendrixg7 great lyrics should hit everyone differently, and are supposed to be interpreted. what the original intent was might be interesting but kind of irrelevant since everyone has different experiences and will relate differently.
I appreciate Serj’s candid response about not having much hope. I think most people feel that way at times and talking openly about those fears, and even having a laugh about it, can be liberating. Saying I feel hopeless about humanity and then having a human empathize and level with you is actually helping to displace that feeling of hopelessness, because it’s proving it wrong. I often feel like we are doomed but I’m at a point in my life and journey where I think that even if that is true, I can look back on my role on this planet and be proud. I can look at my kids and think that they are good people who are making positive impacts in their circles. We can’t save the whole world, but we can serve our friends and our families and our communities and if everyone lived that way the world would be saved. Not everyone does, but that is outside of our reach of influence. Fixating on things outside of your control takes you away from making positive changes within your realm of control 🖤
i remember when it came out, and where i was when someone popped it into the disc changer and I hadnt really known what to expect. Prison Song immediately got me hooked, I already knew of Chop Suey and Sugar but I didnt realize that their music was so awesome. Recently I went back to revisit alot of their music I didnt listen to, Steal this Album is really freaking good too but I wasnt even aware of it at the time
It's much nicer listening to a podcast that is courteous and concerned about interrupting inr another. This was the most polite conversation I've heard recently. Thank you brothers!
I met Serj in Dallas on The Pledge of Allegiance Tour after he twisted his ankle on stage. Signed a set list and took my band’s demo. Was super nice. 🎉
Back in 99 to 2001, I was in kindergarden and first grade, linkin park and then system were the first bands I ever heard and got into. My parents and uncle gave me there albums and I was automatically hooked since day one!!!
Rainn, I’m a clinical psychologist and my father and grandfather were academics and philosophers so I enjoy this kind of chat to begin with, but I’m also a long time office fan and drummer who always found SOTD to be the most enjoyable to jam out to. What I’m trying to say in this ramble is holy shit is this a godsend of a video. So thank you, friend!!!
@@leedsdrumacademyI thought they were called Down With The System for about a year straight when Toxicity came out because a friend miswrote it on the disc they gave me….
Serj is a prime example of what I call a "Rock Star Intuitive" - someone deeply in-tune with their intuition who exhibits wizard level creative ability in everything they do - I am a Musician / Fan of both these guys too, wonderful discussion
When I attended college I took anthropology as an elective. At the end of our semester we had to pick a genocide to do a research paper on and everyone in the class had to pick a different event. Had i not been a fan of Serj and system I would have never known the Armenian genocide ever took place. I was the only person in the class that wanted to cover the topic. The most shocking part of the Armenian genocide is how well the crimes were swept under the rug and disregarded by history as time continued to pass. Serj and system are one of the only voices that were able to expose these issues on a global scale, and I have such huge respect for them for using their image for Justice and positive change. Excellent interview with awesome people.
Did you read what Hınchak and Tashnaks started systematic and backed cleansing towards Turks starting from villages and it was a part of the occupational forces project to destroy Turks from Asia Minor? Then when government interfere toward those Armenian gangs it started to be called “genocide” after years with the intervention of western lobbies. Turks didn’t do anything to Armenian population on the contrary gave them privileges and exemptions during their powerful times and suddenly while collapsing killed them. Someone have avarage rationality can ser how bad is that scenerio even. You write your own lies and started to believe them…
@@umtic the point is there is no such a thing even happened. However, there are many nowadays, trying to take the advantage of such a written scenerio.
@@cts9213 I'm from Turkey and saw a lot of abandonned Armenian villages all around. why are they all empty if nothing happened? Forced deportations are also genocide regardless and a lot of our Tatar siblings suffered from the same fate in old USSR. this is disrespectful to them and Armenians
Serj is such a wonder. I remember being 16 in 2006 and living in Auckland city, always seeing some guy that looked like Serj only to find out that he was in town that summer. He even stopped by the coffee shop my sister was working at because someone told him she was an enthusiast. Such a stand up guy. If only we could all be a little more like him. Buying his book now ❤
The ending is a little disheartening. I relate to this man on so many things and he ends it with "I'm not hopeful. We need alien intervention." Sigh. Pretty much where I'm at.
I love Serj's calmness. Being a fan of both of these guys and seeing them together is such a blessing. It was such a pleasure to witness this conversation.
Rainn had this show a while back where he did interviews in a truck or something but he had serj on then and I thought the same thing. He's a big system fan
@@mistym0rning Definitely never saw this, definitely am surprised I never saw this, definitely still am just shocked my favorite character from The Office has a connection to one of my favorite lead singers growing up.
I love how this podcast blends art, spirituality and personal journeys so smoothly. All in a casual and fun but at the same time deep conversation. Thank you for this! 🫶🏻
Twenty something years ago I was hanging out with a friend which I grew up with, he had this Sony discman which was a big hit at the time, his older brother was into heavier music and arts and my highlight of the day was hanging around at his house and being in awe by all the figurines, posters, and many other artsy stuff in his room, one day I see my friend with his discman out in the neighborhood listening and I say "whats up bro" , he's like you gotta listen to this band bro. He gave me the discman for a half an hour, inside was the album toxicity, instantly I was in love, awe, rage, and 1000 feelings I couldn't explain as I was so young and misinformed about the world, music and art. Every day I would borrow the discman as I really didn't have any money to purchase my own. I was falling asleep with Toxicity and Steal this album, I was drawn into the being and music by SOAD, one day I decided I wanted to sing like Serj and learned all the lyrics from those albums but it was really challenging to copy that amazing voice of yours Serj, I did my best and while hanging around the city park where all the metalheads, punks, and skinheads were hanging around I was playing and constantly singing SOAD songs and me and my friend were known for being the SOAD fanboys, later I started a band and was the singer in the band and my friend became the drummer, SOAD connected us and was the main reason to become artistic, listening to Johns drumming later got me into drumming and I was literally learning every song from SOAD on the drums and became a drummer, many years and bands later I'm still a drummer but I never stopped singing, screaming and expressing myself artistically, YOU and YOUR music are the main reason for me becoming what I am today, I still listen to your albums and all of your solo music and albums and take myself back to those simpler times as a kid. I never been to any concerts as we grew up in a small and poor country on the Balkans. I never watched my favorite band of all times Live and I'm ashamed by that. Rainn Wilson, when I first watched THE OFFICE, I immediately fell in love with your character and that type of humor is the most honest, brutally sincere and amazing for me, I play THE OFFICE almost everyday and laugh my ass off. I can't believe I get to watch this podcast with two of the people I respect and are one of the greatest artist of our generation. It was the easiest subscribe and like of my life and Hope to see more of this and more of both of you. MAD RESPECT for both of you and this great content you've created and are still creating. NEVER STOP. MAD RESPECT. HOPE DIES LAST.
Prayer as visualization is SUCH a powerful practice! And when the visualization is mixed with emotions like joy gratitude, and love, the thing you are praying for will almost certainly materialize!
11:35 "To have the ability to withdraw into oneself and forget everything around one when one is creating - What, I think is the only requirement for being able to bring forth something beautiful. The whole thing is - a mystery.” -Edvard Grieg Beautiful conversation.
It’s so reassuring hearing Serj talk about how he would “binge and purge on music” when he was in his formative years as an artist. That is exactly what I experience as well. I will go through a few months of heavily listening to dnb, to a few months of black metal to a few months of hip-hop, to a few months of folk music or industrial music. There is so much beauty in all styles of music and it is a shame to me that so many artists paint themselves into such a small corner when there is so much to discover and draw from within every style. I thinks that’s part of why I gravitate so strongly towards bands like SOAD, Dir En Grey and Ulver.
thats what i do, but with less genres and more specifically to different artists. I do this with TV shows also. Ive been on a SOAD kick for the last 8 months, cant put them down, the parallels in their lyrics that connect the past to the present and their entire perspective is unique and pretty much where I'm at mentally lately.
You need to meet more people man. Real people. This whole going back and correcting all the wrongs in the past that they did doesn’t make them any less more of a famous and rich person because podcasts are cool now. That’s what therapy is for. Keep it there.
Serj is such a scholar and a sage. You wouldn't expect it if you just listen to SOAD as it is, but it's another case of creativity being an outlet for all kinds of madnesses that when expressed leave you peaceful and true.
When I was in 8th grade we got an English assignment to read (or sing for extra credit) a song in front of the class and talk about the what the lyrics meant to us. I was in a fairly affluent/upper middle class kind of school and I chose “Prison Song.” I didn’t really understand then what it meant, but I knew it was heavy in more than a sonic sense. Even more than that, though, I knew it was TRUE. Some part of me was able to FEEL the RESONANCE of TRUTH. SOAD is one of the most important bands to ever exist. Thank you so much for this!!!
This is my first time ever listening to Serj in a long form conversation. I agree with him, I see no hope. But, I do feel that before we go out and try to be a force for good, we need to first and foremost work on ourselves, from therapy to working out to rehab to learning to think for ourselves. First time listener here and u truly do appreciate these conversations. Serj, I love you, bro, and thank you and the SOAD boys for stepping forward to bring awareness.
OH MY GOSH! One of my favorite musical artists, Serj! I am only a few minutes in and this is already such a beautiful conversation. ❤❤❤ Another great episode, Rainn!
Saw Sytem of a Down live for the first time ever a month ago. They had Deaftones perform before them, along with a few other openers. To say it was a life changing experience would be an understatement. I've always felt a kindred connection to Serj. I'm Eastern European, and have also gone through a spiritual journey. We see existence in very similar ways, and seeing the show live was wild. Much love to ya, Serj. Thank you both for this awesome pod 🙏💞
Amazing episode! System of a Down was one of the bands I became a fan of during my formative teenage years - I remember spending countless hours drumming to the entire Toxicity album. Great to see Serj in a good place and doing well.
Never clicked so fast!! I've listened to SOAD almost every day for the past 20+ years, even more so recently feeling angry at the world. It's so cathartic. Serj's honesty, wit and genius is incomparable! Hope to see them live in the UK one day
What a beautiful human being. It's rare that someone who astounds with their singing can mesmerise even more in conversation. Thank you both for letting us experience this with you.
I'm with Serj, I think we fix it by being better to one another. Selfishness is the true villain here, if people could just be more compassionate and forgiving to one another we'd be much better off, but; in America especially, it's a culture of individualism, where the self is the most important. Not to say that it's all negative, there's pros of individualism, but when all everyone thinks about is themselves, then nothing is going to get better.
Looking at youtube recommendations after this video is kind-of dystopian. Here we have one of the most sincere, thoughtful conversations I've ever heard in a podcast, I actually got such a sensation of release to hear two people talking with virtually no filter, without concern for their perceived idealistic affiliations. Then, the video ends and I get: THIS GUY VS. THAT GUY, This idea VS. That idea, First time reaction to X, You won't believe what happened to Y. And this makes me somewhat numb to what people, in general, have to say - it's always regurgitated ideas, second-hand experiences, fights for reason or dominance. Thank you Rainn and Serj, for being yourselves and making me feel like I was hearing actual people discussing actual ideas.
Sigh. Wish I could filter out the cheap, empty, stupid in a real way. It’s pretty horrifying to contemplate quality of content out there…and the science behind its presence makes me nauseated. This was a much needed find for me tonight. New sub!
What a combo! The depth of this conversation just carried me away... I didn't notice how I watched this until the end ... Didn't feel like an hour long convo .... Great work Rainn and mad respect Serj
I just watched this podcast, and I'm like, wow! They're just speaking my mind and thoughts!💥 I wish and hope more people realize and care about what's happening around and what we are doing to ourselves, and the whole universe, as one, and how every single of our actions even small have very massive impact on everything, and what we are doing is doing to ourselves, because everything is one. That would make the world better Thank you, Rainn, for having Serj as the guest. SOAD are my favorite and most inspiring artists in the world!💥🔥🤘 Also, thank you for reading my question about the song "Rumi" for Serj in the book singing live interview! It was my honor! Love and peace, from Iran!💚🤍❤️
S.O.D blew my mind at 12 in the early 00's, and watered the seeds of resistance, justice, and love for humanity in me. Soul Boom has been an oasis in recent weeks, watering those now deep roots. So glad to see this!
rainn, thank you for inviting one of the most important and poignant artists of my life onto your show! hearing him talk about what's happened behind the scenes has been such a joy. please bring more folks like serj on
I’ve adored this podcast since episode one, but the fact that you got Serj? Beautiful 🖤 SOAD has helped me process big emotions since I was twelve years old. Thank you for all y’all are doing. Sincerely.
This podcast has actually changed my point of view about, basically everything, from the concept of existence, all the way towards the reductionist understanding I had of SOAD. Thank you, Rainn, a Mexican fan salutes you with a lot of respect and admiration
There's so much in this conversation that echoes the thoughts that spin through my head. Examples: What is the point of war, genocide? Why are humans so greedy? I am not hopeful (that humans will be able to change before the point of no return is reached and we cause our own extinction). It is a great conversation that outlines a scepticism that so many of us feel when it comes to hope. Personally, I see a serious attention-deficit syndrome among humans. We see the terrible things that humans do to each other and scream....for a second, or a minute...and we lack focus of speaking very long about it. We don't want to see this bad situation for what it is because if we think about it too much, we risk our own sanity or ability to lose all hope that humans can change. But we have to speak about these things with the hope that these words are heard and that some kind of change will happen. If we keep quiet, then how will change happen? All I can do at this point is keep repeating the mantra "Peace, Love and comfort to all humans", and hope that this will calm the troubled souls of my fellow human animals. I appreciate these conversations and the fact that I can hear these words of compassion and empathy for other humans, that I, too, carry with me and send out to the universe, hoping for a change. Peace, Love and comfort to all humans. You are important to me, you have great power and light within you. Let other humans know this and that they carry these gifts too.
I am a brazilian kardecist, and, even if theres no hope, I believe that in the end, everything leads to evolution. This was a really inspiring conversation! AND I BEG, BRING SERJ BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE PLEASE
The more I hear Serj talk about what he cares about the more I admire him & love SOAD. Keep creating Serj. Keeping the hope alive, despite the niggling despair. Will keep doing my bit. ❤
As my great-grandfather escaped the Armenian Genocide I love hearing Serj talk about it and educating others as well as his passion for making sure that our heritage doesn’t get overlooked
Amazing and meaningful conversation, thankssss a lot, shnorhakalutyunnnnnnnnnnn🩵🩵🩵🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲 Thank you for sharing the truth about Armenian Genocide and Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh) conflict.
RIP Connor Hayden Scott In 2010 Connor showed me Question! in his mid 90's civic hatchback. As the song was playing i was challenged by the lyrics. My ego responded in a fit of jokes and belittlements. He paused the song and we talked about the concept of death. As 16 years, old 4 days apart in age, we could not have been further apart. He brought me closer to the person I am today. I already loved BYOB, Sugar, Chop Suey, and many other of SoaD songs having learned a simplified version of Toxicity on drums. After many consecutive playthroughs of the song i was crying in front of another young man. Hoping to never experience the question of loss. The song became my favorite song within weeks and has stayed in my favorite 3 songs since. In 2014 Connor chose to find out where we go. I still ponder the meaning of the song and have come to a comfortable place knowing that my brother has traversed this path. The bond formed that day helped two young white/native men lost in the trauma of forced assimilation. I will always feel an ache in my chest but because of the profound effect of the music of SoaD, as well as other musicians and artists, and the creativity of my beloved friend taken from my life by his own action, I followed the path. I have been writing peotry and lyrics as a personal release for ten yeas come november 6th and I am better for it even with a cost so high. I would trade my growth for more conversations with Connor but i am accepting of the reality I live in. I believe in equivalent exchange. The loss of his presence spurred the growth of many who knew him. His energy remains. His love proliferated. P.S. The Rocker got me and him through some tough nights. We watched it togethed a dozen times in the 2 years it was out before he passed. As anothed commenter stated, this is an unexpected crossover, for me that of two core memory groupings that I cherish dearly. Thank you for the art that i have used to heal over this last decade. I worked with two hospice houses setting up equipment for those readying to pass for two years, using the patience and understanding gained from my own processing of my grief where many wonderful souls shared their life stories with me while i set up their last bed, where I set up various pieces of equipment to help ease the discomforts of those preparing for the transition to the otherside. I had many people, in good faith, attempting to feed my ego with complements of how my presence put them at ease. Choosing to redirect that energy, I would say many variants of "My best friend is on the otherside, and he is the one you should take these praises too. Without his brief but powerful light, I would have nothing to reflect to you. I am the moon to his sun and his light is still shining through me" I have one tattoo, that of a moon gazing ponderously at a shining sun with a column in the shape of a C with life beginning to grow anew with the light the moon reflect from the passing sun. We all are the composites of the experiences that we choose to define us. Much love to all.
Wow, as a musician/sculptor/peacemaker born in the 80s and passionate for the creative spiritual work, this is my favorite conversation ever. (I haven't see anything like this in other channels) Thank you Masters and SOUL BOOM team! I have hope that we can transform our life for good. Love a little more every day, that is the key. PEACE AND POWER
Thank you for having Serj on, what a compelling episode! I saw System of a Down perform in 1999 and I was inspired by him to do my high school senior paper on the Armenian Genocide. I have been speaking out against injustices ever since. These sort of talks are vitally important!
1:57 Finally. First time I've heard someone openly compare System to Nirvana. They were like the spiritual successor to that band, in many, many, many ways. Most overlooked comparison of the century IMO.
omg Serj's version of meditation combining prayer, gratitude and body awareness is something I came to myself a few years ago. I usually go through all those combinations during an average meditation session. I love this.
This was such a wonderful, heavy, important conversation. I’m so grateful to have gotten to listen. I will take these lessons with me and apply them to my life with gratitude for having learned them.
Such a powerful & spiritually freeing episode. I'm proud so say growing up with SOAD at a young age, opened me up to being spiritual. Despite growing up in the bible belt & being criticized for being different. Now at almost 30, I can appreciate learning & practicing other beliefs. Thank you Serj, Daron, Shavo & John for years of great meaningful music. And to you Rainn Wilson for giving these creators a space to freely Express their human experiences 🖤🖤🖤
How have I not seen this for 2 WEEKS?!?! One of the greatest artists to walk this planet and here he is on a podcast with one of my favourite characters on TV. What is life😂
The end of this episode brought me nearly to tears. I could feel the passion from both of you about bringing about meaningful change. I SO appreciate these conversations!
1:05:54 This. This. This. 🙌 I have been a fan of SOAD for exactly 24 years (yes, I remember hearing them for the first time on a compilation CD given to me by my uncle called Sweating Bullets). As much as I resonated with the music, and felt a genuine sense of honest emotions and empathy from Serj, this interview served to validate my beliefs in my adolescent idol. Thank you Serj, you are a rare case of “definitely meet your hero” ✌️
I just really love Serj as a whole... I admire him from so many aspects. I am enjoying the podcast half way I am fascinated by him. Favorite video ever!
"Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep: DISORDER" is one of the most laden and powerful phrases I've heard in any lyrics. For me, it is the most incisive depiction of the psychological torment of mental illness. There, where there should be absolute peace and tranquility, where you are one with your very being, what you find is anguish and chaos. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that no one ever asked Serj about that line.
I think Serj has a really profound way of thinking, also he expresses himself in a very relaxing and calming soft voice. What a surprising peace of mind he brought to me! He would be such a good therapist😯
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This is a STRONG contender for least expected crossover of all time and I’m 1000% here for it
serj and rainn have been friends for years, they have a bunch of conversations all over the internet
Wow! So nicely put. Did it have you dyyyyying bruh but here for it?
@@junglefatigue That's hot.
A big enough fan of Serj or of Rainn, would have known this crossover has happened a long time ago.
Why are the eyes of a horse on a jet pilot?
Damn. I interpreted the "somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep" as a metaphor for the time that you are alive. The sacred silence was before you were born, and sleep is the eternal rest after your die, so to speak. And what happens in between is the "disorder" and chaos of your life. Boy was I wrong haha
Imo it is disorder. He didnt finish or say completely the answer. He stated sacred silence being meditation and sleep. Where also in sleep you have the moment where u sort of meditate. Idk from what he said i still think that between the sacred silence and sleep is todays life - disorder. Im not discarding Serj (for obvious reasons), im saying he didnt sort of completely answer directly or correctly the question.
Soad is my r1 band ever in life and WILL stay that way forever
It's still a nice interpretation
Love your interpretation ❤
System has always said their music is up for interpretation - which is why they wouldn't explain or clarify lyrics in some of their interviews. That's the beautiful thing about a great song; it can mean different things to different people. The impact is there regardless.
@@hendrixg7 great lyrics should hit everyone differently, and are supposed to be interpreted. what the original intent was might be interesting but kind of irrelevant since everyone has different experiences and will relate differently.
Serj has such a therapeutic voice.
WAKE UP lol
DISORDER! DISORDER! DISOOOoooordeerrrr!
Banana banana banana terracotta pie!
Agreed! Beautiful range
his voice is a gift
imagine Dwight's reaction to this conversation
"I can meditate for a lifetime in 1 second"
“False. Unless you’re referencing the life of a Mayfly… even then, they live for at least 2 hours in most cases”
"MICHAAAEELLLLLL"@@cdsackett
@@cdsackett LMAO!!!! @ false. thanks buddy.
Life is a waterfall. We're one with the river and one again after the fall.
All of experience summed up in one perfect line 🩷
Aeriaaaaals… IN THE SKYYYYY!!!
Sorry, it’s just one of my favorite songs.
Tururururuuuu Tururururuuuu Tururururuuuu Tururururuuuu
Swimming through the void, we hear the wooOOOord
We lose ourselves, but we find it aaaaAAAAAAllllllllllllllllll
Amazing line
I appreciate Serj’s candid response about not having much hope. I think most people feel that way at times and talking openly about those fears, and even having a laugh about it, can be liberating. Saying I feel hopeless about humanity and then having a human empathize and level with you is actually helping to displace that feeling of hopelessness, because it’s proving it wrong. I often feel like we are doomed but I’m at a point in my life and journey where I think that even if that is true, I can look back on my role on this planet and be proud. I can look at my kids and think that they are good people who are making positive impacts in their circles. We can’t save the whole world, but we can serve our friends and our families and our communities and if everyone lived that way the world would be saved. Not everyone does, but that is outside of our reach of influence. Fixating on things outside of your control takes you away from making positive changes within your realm of control 🖤
Tldr?
@@jezplaysbass8009 GFY? 😇
@@jezplaysbass8009what a waste of a comment, learn to read.
You talk too much...sorry can't read
I get it, complete sentences and paragraphs expressing an entire thought are hard for some folks to focus on. Get well soon 🖤
Magic moments like this don’t normally get recorded and uploaded for people to see. Thanks for organizing this and sharing it 🎉
So glad you enjoyed! Who would you like to see on next??
Trisha Paytas! As controversial as she may be she has definitely gone through a "soul boom" in the past few years@@SoulBoom
@@SoulBoom Pete Holmes! Although I'm sure he's already on the list
Hazrat Inayat Khan is mind blowing. Some of the most complex and amazing books about religion and music
@@SoulBoom Please get Bo Burnham. I think it would be an amazing podcast
I can’t believe Toxicity is over 20 years old. It’s such a unique and iconic album. Feels timeless
i remember when it came out, and where i was when someone popped it into the disc changer and I hadnt really known what to expect. Prison Song immediately got me hooked, I already knew of Chop Suey and Sugar but I didnt realize that their music was so awesome. Recently I went back to revisit alot of their music I didnt listen to, Steal this Album is really freaking good too but I wasnt even aware of it at the time
thats because no ones done anything "interesting" in so long.
One of the few 10/10 albums
It's much nicer listening to a podcast that is courteous and concerned about interrupting inr another. This was the most polite conversation I've heard recently. Thank you brothers!
Idk bro. Dwight was interrupting a lot.
"Describe the place between the sacred silence and sleep". What a wonderful conversation. I LOVE SERJ and SOAD's MUSIC!
Serj and Rainn? Damn good, guys!
It's not the pair we asked for but it's the pair we definitely 💯💯💯 deserve!
You deserve it all!!
I met Serj in Dallas on The Pledge of Allegiance Tour after he twisted his ankle on stage. Signed a set list and took my band’s demo. Was super nice. 🎉
Big Nose Small Nose podcast
@@SoulBoom this is the crossover I didn't know I wanted
The sound of System of a Down, Serj's voice, was a big part of me growing up
Back in 99 to 2001, I was in kindergarden and first grade, linkin park and then system were the first bands I ever heard and got into. My parents and uncle gave me there albums and I was automatically hooked since day one!!!
His stuff he produced outside of soad is just as good. Empty walls and the album it's in is pretty damn good
Not only a top tier guest, but a top tier conversation. This is amazing.
You don't have to type "top tier." Just say it's good. 😂
💯
@@ted__ryan and you don't have to police the words people use to express themselves
@_DavidLeBlanc your response is "top tier". 😂
The “Armenian Robert Plant”….NAILED it. Couldn’t be a more perfect description of his vocal magic. Cheers, Rainn! 🙏💙
Rare a grand gesture falls short
Ehhhhhh I disagree. But that’s the good thing about opinions.. Everyone’s is different
Rainn, I’m a clinical psychologist and my father and grandfather were academics and philosophers so I enjoy this kind of chat to begin with, but I’m also a long time office fan and drummer who always found SOTD to be the most enjoyable to jam out to.
What I’m trying to say in this ramble is holy shit is this a godsend of a video. So thank you, friend!!!
What is SOTD?
@@alanbique System Of A Down.
@@alanbiquehe clearly misspelled the acronym.
@@leedsdrumacademyI thought they were called Down With The System for about a year straight when Toxicity came out because a friend miswrote it on the disc they gave me….
Serj is a prime example of what I call a "Rock Star Intuitive" - someone deeply in-tune with their intuition who exhibits wizard level creative ability in everything they do - I am a Musician / Fan of both these guys too, wonderful discussion
When I attended college I took anthropology as an elective. At the end of our semester we had to pick a genocide to do a research paper on and everyone in the class had to pick a different event. Had i not been a fan of Serj and system I would have never known the Armenian genocide ever took place. I was the only person in the class that wanted to cover the topic. The most shocking part of the Armenian genocide is how well the crimes were swept under the rug and disregarded by history as time continued to pass. Serj and system are one of the only voices that were able to expose these issues on a global scale, and I have such huge respect for them for using their image for Justice and positive change. Excellent interview with awesome people.
Did you read what Hınchak and Tashnaks started systematic and backed cleansing towards Turks starting from villages and it was a part of the occupational forces project to destroy Turks from Asia Minor? Then when government interfere toward those Armenian gangs it started to be called “genocide” after years with the intervention of western lobbies. Turks didn’t do anything to Armenian population on the contrary gave them privileges and exemptions during their powerful times and suddenly while collapsing killed them. Someone have avarage rationality can ser how bad is that scenerio even. You write your own lies and started to believe them…
@@cts9213 there are always foul players in all sides. This never justifies trying to deport an entire culture
@@umtic the point is there is no such a thing even happened. However, there are many nowadays, trying to take the advantage of such a written scenerio.
@@cts9213 I'm from Turkey and saw a lot of abandonned Armenian villages all around. why are they all empty if nothing happened? Forced deportations are also genocide regardless and a lot of our Tatar siblings suffered from the same fate in old USSR. this is disrespectful to them and Armenians
@@umtic bırakın bu liboş ağızları ve koloniyalistlere payendelik yapmayı. Dünyanın her yerinde terkedilmiş köyler vardır.
Serj is such a wonder. I remember being 16 in 2006 and living in Auckland city, always seeing some guy that looked like Serj only to find out that he was in town that summer. He even stopped by the coffee shop my sister was working at because someone told him she was an enthusiast. Such a stand up guy. If only we could all be a little more like him. Buying his book now ❤
That's a cool story.
'90 for the win 😉
I could listen to Serj talk all day, very articulate, very calm and understanding, very just comforting.
Serj is such a strong and respectable man. He's been outspoken on a lot of serious issues since the beginning. Bless this man.
The ending is a little disheartening. I relate to this man on so many things and he ends it with "I'm not hopeful. We need alien intervention."
Sigh. Pretty much where I'm at.
I love Serj's calmness. Being a fan of both of these guys and seeing them together is such a blessing. It was such a pleasure to witness this conversation.
Honestly, knowing Rainn even KNOWS who Serj is just made me respect him soooooo much more. Incredibly based.
Rainn had this show a while back where he did interviews in a truck or something but he had serj on then and I thought the same thing. He's a big system fan
They’ve known each other at least since this interview 11 years ago:
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@@mistym0rning Definitely never saw this, definitely am surprised I never saw this, definitely still am just shocked my favorite character from The Office has a connection to one of my favorite lead singers growing up.
Not just that they're FRIENDS
@@thewilkandcookies8345 Cool af
Incredible to see both of these gentlemen together. Never clicked a link so fast in my entire life.
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Totally, I saw a short of the interview and came directly to see the complete video xD
“I had to go to the far end of who I don’t want to be for me to realize to myself who I am!” I feel that in my soul!!
Rainn Wilson is a deeper person than anyone could have imagined, usually actors are a bit of a shell but goddamn he really is a unique human.
I mean he’s literally the assistant to the regional manager so he’s gotta be good
@@abaresongsha. reference
@@gumshake689 hahaha couldn’t resist
14:59 AWWWW HES BLUSHING
I love how this podcast blends art, spirituality and personal journeys so smoothly. All in a casual and fun but at the same time deep conversation. Thank you for this! 🫶🏻
YES! Thank you 🙌
Twenty something years ago I was hanging out with a friend which I grew up with, he had this Sony discman which was a big hit at the time, his older brother was into heavier music and arts and my highlight of the day was hanging around at his house and being in awe by all the figurines, posters, and many other artsy stuff in his room, one day I see my friend with his discman out in the neighborhood listening and I say "whats up bro" , he's like you gotta listen to this band bro. He gave me the discman for a half an hour, inside was the album toxicity, instantly I was in love, awe, rage, and 1000 feelings I couldn't explain as I was so young and misinformed about the world, music and art. Every day I would borrow the discman as I really didn't have any money to purchase my own. I was falling asleep with Toxicity and Steal this album, I was drawn into the being and music by SOAD, one day I decided I wanted to sing like Serj and learned all the lyrics from those albums but it was really challenging to copy that amazing voice of yours Serj, I did my best and while hanging around the city park where all the metalheads, punks, and skinheads were hanging around I was playing and constantly singing SOAD songs and me and my friend were known for being the SOAD fanboys, later I started a band and was the singer in the band and my friend became the drummer, SOAD connected us and was the main reason to become artistic, listening to Johns drumming later got me into drumming and I was literally learning every song from SOAD on the drums and became a drummer, many years and bands later I'm still a drummer but I never stopped singing, screaming and expressing myself artistically, YOU and YOUR music are the main reason for me becoming what I am today, I still listen to your albums and all of your solo music and albums and take myself back to those simpler times as a kid. I never been to any concerts as we grew up in a small and poor country on the Balkans. I never watched my favorite band of all times Live and I'm ashamed by that.
Rainn Wilson, when I first watched THE OFFICE, I immediately fell in love with your character and that type of humor is the most honest, brutally sincere and amazing for me,
I play THE OFFICE almost everyday and laugh my ass off. I can't believe I get to watch this podcast with two of the people I respect and are one of the greatest artist of our generation.
It was the easiest subscribe and like of my life and Hope to see more of this and more of both of you.
MAD RESPECT for both of you and this great content you've created and are still creating.
NEVER STOP.
MAD RESPECT.
HOPE DIES LAST.
I almost cried reading your comment. Those two really are geat human beings
An Armenian Office and SOAD fan here, my heart skipped a beat when I saw the title. Thank you so much for this, both of you!
Prayer as visualization is SUCH a powerful practice! And when the visualization is mixed with emotions like joy gratitude, and love, the thing you are praying for will almost certainly materialize!
49:53 That has never described about my own life in a beautiful way before. That got me right in my heart. I love this man even more!
Same! This has been my entire life’s experience
11:35 "To have the ability to withdraw into oneself and forget everything around one when one is creating - What, I think is the only requirement for being able to bring forth something beautiful. The whole thing is - a mystery.” -Edvard Grieg
Beautiful conversation.
I've wanted to know more about serj and system for a long time. Rainn your show is fantastic. I love it. This was gem of an episode. Historical.
It’s so reassuring hearing Serj talk about how he would “binge and purge on music” when he was in his formative years as an artist. That is exactly what I experience as well. I will go through a few months of heavily listening to dnb, to a few months of black metal to a few months of hip-hop, to a few months of folk music or industrial music. There is so much beauty in all styles of music and it is a shame to me that so many artists paint themselves into such a small corner when there is so much to discover and draw from within every style. I thinks that’s part of why I gravitate so strongly towards bands like SOAD, Dir En Grey and Ulver.
thats what i do, but with less genres and more specifically to different artists. I do this with TV shows also. Ive been on a SOAD kick for the last 8 months, cant put them down, the parallels in their lyrics that connect the past to the present and their entire perspective is unique and pretty much where I'm at mentally lately.
One of the most genuine, beautiful conversation I've ever heard.
You need to meet more people man. Real people. This whole going back and correcting all the wrongs in the past that they did doesn’t make them any less more of a famous and rich person because podcasts are cool now. That’s what therapy is for. Keep it there.
This guy... Serj... will never stop to surprise me. Amazing human being, thank you for being such a massive inspiration!
Serj is such a scholar and a sage. You wouldn't expect it if you just listen to SOAD as it is, but it's another case of creativity being an outlet for all kinds of madnesses that when expressed leave you peaceful and true.
When I was in 8th grade we got an English assignment to read (or sing for extra credit) a song in front of the class and talk about the what the lyrics meant to us. I was in a fairly affluent/upper middle class kind of school and I chose “Prison Song.” I didn’t really understand then what it meant, but I knew it was heavy in more than a sonic sense. Even more than that, though, I knew it was TRUE. Some part of me was able to FEEL the RESONANCE of TRUTH. SOAD is one of the most important bands to ever exist. Thank you so much for this!!!
Aww, was that really better than BYOB? 😂
@@kennethhunter3111BYOB hadn’t even come out yet my guy, I’m old 😭😂
How did the “I buy my crack I smack my bitch right here in Hollywoooood” part go?!?
Serj - my first healing love ❤❤🇵🇸🇵🇸
This is my first time ever listening to Serj in a long form conversation. I agree with him, I see no hope. But, I do feel that before we go out and try to be a force for good, we need to first and foremost work on ourselves, from therapy to working out to rehab to learning to think for ourselves. First time listener here and u truly do appreciate these conversations. Serj, I love you, bro, and thank you and the SOAD boys for stepping forward to bring awareness.
OH MY GOSH! One of my favorite musical artists, Serj! I am only a few minutes in and this is already such a beautiful conversation. ❤❤❤ Another great episode, Rainn!
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Saw Sytem of a Down live for the first time ever a month ago. They had Deaftones perform before them, along with a few other openers. To say it was a life changing experience would be an understatement. I've always felt a kindred connection to Serj. I'm Eastern European, and have also gone through a spiritual journey. We see existence in very similar ways, and seeing the show live was wild. Much love to ya, Serj. Thank you both for this awesome pod 🙏💞
I love "flow" state. It can be accessed everywhere and is a very important life tool.
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Amazing episode! System of a Down was one of the bands I became a fan of during my formative teenage years - I remember spending countless hours drumming to the entire Toxicity album. Great to see Serj in a good place and doing well.
Big deal. Most edgy teens did that. Soad is the most generic band out there for edgy teens. You are not special.
Never clicked so fast!! I've listened to SOAD almost every day for the past 20+ years, even more so recently feeling angry at the world. It's so cathartic. Serj's honesty, wit and genius is incomparable! Hope to see them live in the UK one day
What a beautiful human being. It's rare that someone who astounds with their singing can mesmerise even more in conversation. Thank you both for letting us experience this with you.
I'm with Serj, I think we fix it by being better to one another. Selfishness is the true villain here, if people could just be more compassionate and forgiving to one another we'd be much better off, but; in America especially, it's a culture of individualism, where the self is the most important. Not to say that it's all negative, there's pros of individualism, but when all everyone thinks about is themselves, then nothing is going to get better.
S.O.A.D. has been a staple of my life since childhood because of my mom. Brother Serj is spot on. Every moment of life is a meditation.
These interviews are so under rated. Amazing job Rainn
Does anyone else feel that Serj's voice and sense of humor remind of Will Ferrell? Such a lovely and lively conversation.
2 seconds in and yes. He kind of looks like him too now that I'm comparing them
yes it reminds me of Chad Smith
Yes like wth he sounds EXACTLY like Will Ferrell 😮
I've been keeping this comparison to myself since Step Brothers came out... glad I wasn't seeing this alone!
Looking at youtube recommendations after this video is kind-of dystopian.
Here we have one of the most sincere, thoughtful conversations I've ever heard in a podcast, I actually got such a sensation of release to hear two people talking with virtually no filter, without concern for their perceived idealistic affiliations.
Then, the video ends and I get: THIS GUY VS. THAT GUY, This idea VS. That idea, First time reaction to X, You won't believe what happened to Y.
And this makes me somewhat numb to what people, in general, have to say - it's always regurgitated ideas, second-hand experiences, fights for reason or dominance.
Thank you Rainn and Serj, for being yourselves and making me feel like I was hearing actual people discussing actual ideas.
Sigh. Wish I could filter out the cheap, empty, stupid in a real way. It’s pretty horrifying to contemplate quality of content out there…and the science behind its presence makes me nauseated.
This was a much needed find for me tonight. New sub!
Been a fan since a child. serj's voice is so unique and beautiful, truly one of a kind
excellent conv, well done Rainn. All praise the mighty SOAD!! justice for the Armenians and Pontic Greeks!!
What a combo! The depth of this conversation just carried me away... I didn't notice how I watched this until the end ... Didn't feel like an hour long convo .... Great work Rainn and mad respect Serj
His voice and the band are my Absolute favorite in the whole world. they have saved my soul & life .
So many gems just casually dropped in this episode, how beautiful! Serj seems effortlessly tactful, diplomatic, and wise.
I just watched this podcast, and I'm like, wow! They're just speaking my mind and thoughts!💥
I wish and hope more people realize and care about what's happening around and what we are doing to ourselves, and the whole universe, as one, and how every single of our actions even small have very massive impact on everything, and what we are doing is doing to ourselves, because everything is one. That would make the world better
Thank you, Rainn, for having Serj as the guest. SOAD are my favorite and most inspiring artists in the world!💥🔥🤘
Also, thank you for reading my question about the song "Rumi" for Serj in the book singing live interview! It was my honor!
Love and peace, from Iran!💚🤍❤️
"Prison Song", "Deer Dance", "Mind", "Know", "Soil", "Toxicity", "Honey" and "Friik" will always be my favourite SOAD songs ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
These are some of my all time favorite SOAD songs too and I also really love their cover of The Metro 👌
Where can I find Honey and Friik? Never heard of them!
@@SoadandSkinslover88 RUclips
@@SoadandSkinslover88 they're from the Storaged Melodies Album
This is the exact conversation I needed to hear at this point in my life.
100% exact same boat brother. Hope you're doing well and growing 🫶
@@bruno0_u 💕 I sure am. Hope the same for you.
S.O.D blew my mind at 12 in the early 00's, and watered the seeds of resistance, justice, and love for humanity in me. Soul Boom has been an oasis in recent weeks, watering those now deep roots. So glad to see this!
rainn, thank you for inviting one of the most important and poignant artists of my life onto your show! hearing him talk about what's happened behind the scenes has been such a joy. please bring more folks like serj on
Serj is literally a superhero who does music. Hes not just some rocker
I’ve adored this podcast since episode one, but the fact that you got Serj? Beautiful 🖤 SOAD has helped me process big emotions since I was twelve years old. Thank you for all y’all are doing. Sincerely.
This podcast has actually changed my point of view about, basically everything, from the concept of existence, all the way towards the reductionist understanding I had of SOAD. Thank you, Rainn, a Mexican fan salutes you with a lot of respect and admiration
I could’ve listened to you two talk for another 3 hours. What an incredible conversation.
There's so much in this conversation that echoes the thoughts that spin through my head. Examples: What is the point of war, genocide? Why are humans so greedy? I am not hopeful (that humans will be able to change before the point of no return is reached and we cause our own extinction). It is a great conversation that outlines a scepticism that so many of us feel when it comes to hope. Personally, I see a serious attention-deficit syndrome among humans. We see the terrible things that humans do to each other and scream....for a second, or a minute...and we lack focus of speaking very long about it. We don't want to see this bad situation for what it is because if we think about it too much, we risk our own sanity or ability to lose all hope that humans can change. But we have to speak about these things with the hope that these words are heard and that some kind of change will happen. If we keep quiet, then how will change happen?
All I can do at this point is keep repeating the mantra "Peace, Love and comfort to all humans", and hope that this will calm the troubled souls of my fellow human animals.
I appreciate these conversations and the fact that I can hear these words of compassion and empathy for other humans, that I, too, carry with me and send out to the universe, hoping for a change. Peace, Love and comfort to all humans. You are important to me, you have great power and light within you. Let other humans know this and that they carry these gifts too.
Serj has been a role model since I was nine years old and it’s so great to hear him speak so openly here
I am a brazilian kardecist, and, even if theres no hope, I believe that in the end, everything leads to evolution. This was a really inspiring conversation! AND I BEG, BRING SERJ BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE PLEASE
What a time to b alive, boss ❤
AMEN!
Serj is not just a really cool guy...He is a gift. Thanks.
I'm not kidding when I say that these are the heroes of my teenage years and this meeting really moved me. Thanks a lot for this.
Thanks for the summary, Rainn. Yes, keep hope alive!
There is a train station in São Paulo named after Armenian immigrants since 1985. What a legend Serj is, amazing human!
Well remembered!
The more I hear Serj talk about what he cares about the more I admire him & love SOAD. Keep creating Serj. Keeping the hope alive, despite the niggling despair. Will keep doing my bit. ❤
Serj needs to come back at some point this was one of the best podcasts I've heard in a while
As my great-grandfather escaped the Armenian Genocide I love hearing Serj talk about it and educating others as well as his passion for making sure that our heritage doesn’t get overlooked
"I'm not very hopeful"....... I felt that
Amazing and meaningful conversation, thankssss a lot, shnorhakalutyunnnnnnnnnnn🩵🩵🩵🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲
Thank you for sharing the truth about Armenian Genocide and Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh) conflict.
The way I RAN to watch/listen to this ❤ I love Serj so damn much and this conversation was beautiful and important
"We are also the creator, because we are creating all the time". This is very powerful. Dialectical Nature
RIP Connor Hayden Scott
In 2010 Connor showed me Question! in his mid 90's civic hatchback. As the song was playing i was challenged by the lyrics. My ego responded in a fit of jokes and belittlements. He paused the song and we talked about the concept of death. As 16 years, old 4 days apart in age, we could not have been further apart. He brought me closer to the person I am today. I already loved BYOB, Sugar, Chop Suey, and many other of SoaD songs having learned a simplified version of Toxicity on drums. After many consecutive playthroughs of the song i was crying in front of another young man. Hoping to never experience the question of loss. The song became my favorite song within weeks and has stayed in my favorite 3 songs since. In 2014 Connor chose to find out where we go. I still ponder the meaning of the song and have come to a comfortable place knowing that my brother has traversed this path. The bond formed that day helped two young white/native men lost in the trauma of forced assimilation. I will always feel an ache in my chest but because of the profound effect of the music of SoaD, as well as other musicians and artists, and the creativity of my beloved friend taken from my life by his own action, I followed the path. I have been writing peotry and lyrics as a personal release for ten yeas come november 6th and I am better for it even with a cost so high. I would trade my growth for more conversations with Connor but i am accepting of the reality I live in. I believe in equivalent exchange. The loss of his presence spurred the growth of many who knew him. His energy remains. His love proliferated.
P.S. The Rocker got me and him through some tough nights. We watched it togethed a dozen times in the 2 years it was out before he passed. As anothed commenter stated, this is an unexpected crossover, for me that of two core memory groupings that I cherish dearly. Thank you for the art that i have used to heal over this last decade. I worked with two hospice houses setting up equipment for those readying to pass for two years, using the patience and understanding gained from my own processing of my grief where many wonderful souls shared their life stories with me while i set up their last bed, where I set up various pieces of equipment to help ease the discomforts of those preparing for the transition to the otherside. I had many people, in good faith, attempting to feed my ego with complements of how my presence put them at ease. Choosing to redirect that energy, I would say many variants of "My best friend is on the otherside, and he is the one you should take these praises too. Without his brief but powerful light, I would have nothing to reflect to you. I am the moon to his sun and his light is still shining through me" I have one tattoo, that of a moon gazing ponderously at a shining sun with a column in the shape of a C with life beginning to grow anew with the light the moon reflect from the passing sun. We all are the composites of the experiences that we choose to define us. Much love to all.
Thank you Rainn for creating a platform where the story of our Armenian diaspora can be told
Is there a more genuine person on Earth than Serj Tankian? Great convo, Rainn and team. Looking forward to more!
Man i never expected 2 of my favorite people alive together like this. So exciting.
Wow, as a musician/sculptor/peacemaker born in the 80s and passionate for the creative spiritual work, this is my favorite conversation ever. (I haven't see anything like this in other channels) Thank you Masters and SOUL BOOM team!
I have hope that we can transform our life for good. Love a little more every day, that is the key.
PEACE AND POWER
Amazing conversation. I could listen to hours more of this.
Thank you for having Serj on, what a compelling episode! I saw System of a Down perform in 1999 and I was inspired by him to do my high school senior paper on the Armenian Genocide. I have been speaking out against injustices ever since. These sort of talks are vitally important!
1:57 Finally. First time I've heard someone openly compare System to Nirvana. They were like the spiritual successor to that band, in many, many, many ways. Most overlooked comparison of the century IMO.
omg Serj's version of meditation combining prayer, gratitude and body awareness is something I came to myself a few years ago. I usually go through all those combinations during an average meditation session. I love this.
This was such a wonderful, heavy, important conversation. I’m so grateful to have gotten to listen. I will take these lessons with me and apply them to my life with gratitude for having learned them.
Such a powerful & spiritually freeing episode. I'm proud so say growing up with SOAD at a young age, opened me up to being spiritual. Despite growing up in the bible belt & being criticized for being different.
Now at almost 30, I can appreciate learning & practicing other beliefs.
Thank you Serj, Daron, Shavo & John for years of great meaningful music. And to you Rainn Wilson for giving these creators a space to freely Express their human experiences 🖤🖤🖤
Very quickly becoming the bar set for conversation podcasts.
Would love to hear other long form conversationalists on here. Questlove comes to mind.
How have I not seen this for 2 WEEKS?!?! One of the greatest artists to walk this planet and here he is on a podcast with one of my favourite characters on TV. What is life😂
The end of this episode brought me nearly to tears. I could feel the passion from both of you about bringing about meaningful change. I SO appreciate these conversations!
1:05:54 This. This. This. 🙌 I have been a fan of SOAD for exactly 24 years (yes, I remember hearing them for the first time on a compilation CD given to me by my uncle called Sweating Bullets). As much as I resonated with the music, and felt a genuine sense of honest emotions and empathy from Serj, this interview served to validate my beliefs in my adolescent idol.
Thank you Serj, you are a rare case of “definitely meet your hero” ✌️
I just really love Serj as a whole... I admire him from so many aspects. I am enjoying the podcast half way I am fascinated by him. Favorite video ever!
"Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep: DISORDER" is one of the most laden and powerful phrases I've heard in any lyrics.
For me, it is the most incisive depiction of the psychological torment of mental illness. There, where there should be absolute peace and tranquility, where you are one with your very being, what you find is anguish and chaos.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted that no one ever asked Serj about that line.
Thank you Rainn for having him as a guest. This was a great episode. I really enjoyed it. Serj is so poetic, his words have a natural fluidity.
I think Serj has a really profound way of thinking, also he expresses himself in a very relaxing and calming soft voice. What a surprising peace of mind he brought to me! He would be such a good therapist😯
Two of my favorite men having a wonderful conversation, thank you guys!!
This is exactly what I needed to watch right now
I don't watch podcasts but I watched this beginning to end I love Serj and Rainn. I never expected this combo.