Hey! I'm the guy from the first video that was talking to Frank about biblical inspiration! It was a very interesting conversation and I actually did a pretty long breakdown of it on my channel. Frank got a lot of pretty easy things wrong in that video, but since then he seems to have come around to some extent on at least some of the points. I know a lot of people here have mentioned how he spoke with Jimmy Akin recently and, to me, it was pretty clear in that video that Frank sees a bit more depth to the Catholic faith than he may have been aware of before. Also, very exciting to see myself appearing on Catholic RUclips channels! Absolutely a bizarre feeling but I'm thankful for your kind words toward my performance in the conversation and for you featuring the clip in your video. God bless you and your ministry!
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I know there are a lot of channels that need debunking, but one you need to know of is IThink Biblically run by an Australian named Caleb Corneloup (no joke). He has produced a series of vicious attacks on the Catholic Church recently. With 90k+ subscribers, he has some influence. Take a look.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial He was discussing with him regarding his debate with Bart Ehrman . It was a very friendly dialogue. It seems like he is interested in doing more shows with Jimmy .
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Scripture at John 3:5 says " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God".clearly says WATER and SPIRIT. it doesn't say just the Spirit.
When I started questioning how the canon was compiled, that's when things got complicated for me. If I asked this question to a Protestant, they would say, "God said that they were inspired, so they were inspired." It felt like circular reasoning to me. Protestantism is, at the end of the day, is built on truth relativism
Protestantism is the heresy at the base of todays modernist attack on the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church that Christ founded and the fundamental reason for its effectiveness is due to the self-righteous sincerity that is exacerbated by pious pride of its adherents and their ignorance of the factual history. This ignorance has been driven by 500 years of powerful partisan Protestant propaganda that is well documented and referenced by Rodney Stark in his book Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History.
Putting any man as a valid interpreter of Holy scriptures, but not something created by Jesus Christ(Saint Peter"s Church). Any man as some kind of divinity is very similar to what satanists do elevating men on a divinity level
@@waxwaine No man is a valid interpreter, and that is why you should not listen to the innovative Calvin and Luther for example. They have interpreted the false doctrine of Sola Fide and almost all Protestant churches dogmatically accept it. What the church claims is what is in 1 Timothy 3:15. Men advised by the holy apostles and guided by the holy spirit make the interpretative statements.
Thank you, Brother Bryan Mercier, and all the amazing souls at @Catholic_Truth for this very important and informative content. God bless you and your ministry. Amen. Greetings from the South Pacific - Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬📌
Very true. I would also say it becomes volcanic in very subtle gestures as well, even when those gestures are truly meant in the spirit. I was a Protestant until just recently, having only just been confirmed 4 weeks ago, and I was amazed at the reaction I received when I wished "Pax Christi" to a friend of mine who lost their cat, and I received a response of "I will agree with you on the Christ part of what you said." I think where former Catholics have anger is with the structure of the Church, and perceived rigidity, and I understand where that might come from. Sola fide and sola scriptura are easy to subscribe to because of their simplicity. But for me, when I read the Didache, Ingnatius' seventh epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Irenaeus' "Against Heresies," Augustine's work, and numerous other ancient texts which I found out were extensions of Old Testament Books, there was no doubt I had found the faith I had spent over 45 years of my life trying to find. It is awkward sometimes how often I have to implore Christ grant me His mercy and patience when people I love and am close to continually attack the Church. But for me, to use a metaphor it is comparable to "seeing the Matrix" with regard to discovering the truth of the Church due to negative spiritual interactions, and then NOT being able to EVER go back to what I previously believed. Not everyone has "seen" the Matrix, so I try my best to be patient with them and know that they are still seeking for God, they only lack in firsthand experience that would irrefutibly confirm the truth for them. God Bless.
@@IowerthLordThat was a very well assembled thought and put forth with a decisive elegance. I made me mindful of an analogy I use when trying out answer questions for non-Catholics who often ask; I tell them that sharing the academic “Why’s” is easy but helping people to see it is like pointing out an airplane in the sky to them which I clearly see on the point of my finger but they can’t see off the point of my finger. People must look for the nudging of the Holy Spirit as they navigate through learning. No one can tell them the wonder of God’s work. They have to learn to see it. I know I never found any of that while I explored the Prot assemblies, it was lost in the legalisms of the particular branches I was looking at… …and there were a lot of them. They have our Bible, or at least most of it, and I know what that book says and when someone is telling me something different than what it says while telling me what it says as if I am not smart enough to know what it says, well, that doesn’t work because I am far to literate to be “told” what I’m reading means something different than what it says. Perhaps I lost the Prot version of magic in that but, I don’t think there can be ‘magic’ (if you will) expected to emerge from man’s concoctions of interpretations that are not interlocked with what the words say. I heard “sola scriptura” everywhere I listened to and the Scitpures themselves tell us that everything is not in there; I heard “faith alone” from every set of lips and the only place that faith and alone appear together is after the word “not”. Then I would hear, “Ohh, for heavens sake, that doesn’t mean that”… …wha…th… who the…??? I mean, let’s at least talk about it, but, nope. After the scoffing was gone, crickets. It goes on and on, the dates the Church Jesus started ended … even though Jesus told us the gates of hell would not prevail… Baptists telling me they were the only true Church, then Grace Church people saying the same thing, followed by other places friends invited me to come with them to. Then some won’t let you leave until you get a ‘prayer partner’ new best friend who stands behind you throughout the whole service to escort you to go through their indoctrination program as if I was joining the Navy. It became hard to go to church when I was exploring the Prot Churches. I finally, after many, many years had to buck-up and take another look at the one I was “protesting” against. Anyway, That was a fun read you put out there. Thanks.
That's a BIG old excuse you've concocted in your own mind, so you wont ever look Truthfully and Objectively fully at what you are calling Worshipping GOD and Christ Jesus, instead of some guy named Pope who you will never ever know, he's just some guy saying's he's God, dolled up in white clothes, on Earth. Biggest pile of Hoohy ever, again concocted in the Roman Italian Vatican, since the World began. You have never read Revelation because the faith tells us parishioners never read it because GOD Himself names the Roman Vatican as the World Anti-Christ and downfall of the entire Globe. Catholicism is going into the Lake of Fire where its earned it's horrible death. AND....there will absolutely NOTHING of the Roman Catholicism passing on into Heaven. NOT 1 THING. Can't Wait. Amen, Please Jesus Come!
Here in Brazil, people are very poor catechized (of course I didn't interview every single Brazilina, my opinion is based on people I know). There's some catholics here that says that they (us) worship images. They are bad educated catholics. It's pretty said.
The formation of the canon truly illustrates the importance of church councils (in addition to the charism of infallibility they possess) in formulating correct doctrine and practice. Were this not the case, we would simply have no Bible.
Yes! Also for those not members of the Church who criticize the Councils, or use them to discredit the Authority of the Church - holding Councils is meant to end disputes, that is their function. It is not the Church saying "We believe this way from now on, we just didn't know it before." It does not mean that the Truth was absent prior to the Council being organized. Cain knew he had committed wrong when he slew Abel, even though "Thou shalt not kill" was put into the 10 Commandments. Nicaea, Hippo, Carthage, and Florence mentioned the Deuteroncanonicals long before Trent. Trent simply put an end to the debate.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialso now there is a baptism of desire. Lol. I’m going to see how much more you all ADD and make up different words and excuses to explain this farce further 😂😂😂😂
@@CatholicTruthOfficialthe New Testament church were in Jerusalem and not in Rome or Europe. Bloody Mary never stepped foot in Jerusalem and would never had tolerated a Jew let alone a Jewish couple in her presence. Y’all believe anything especially this awful history of this farce religion
Jerome has a fantastic rebuttal on someone (Vigilatiius) who doubted prayers to the saints and veneration of saints and relics. "Should Vigilatiius the live dog be greater than Paul the Dead Lion - St Jerome "Against Vigilatiius
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Jesus corrects that misunderstanding in Matthew 22; God is the God of the living, not the dead--and further, Paul says in Romans 6 that we are dead in sin but alive in Christ. Luke 15:7, Jesus says that when one repents there is a great rejoicing in heaven. Hebrews 12 says that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Revelation 8 says that the saints present our prayers before the altar in heaven.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Hebrews 12:1 begins by referring to all the great saints and figures of Hebrews 11 as a Great Cloud of Witnesses observing the faithful. The dead who are with God are purer than us, as nothing impure can enter heaven (Rev 21:27), and James 5:16 informs us that "the prayers of the righteous avail much". So if those holy dead who are witnessing us ARE holy, and their prayers avail much, for what purpose would they not offer their spiritual pleas on our behalf up to God? Well, Revelation 8:4 states that these very prayers ARE delivered to God like a pleasing incense offering, carried by angels to His holy throne.
it's so tiring the amount of disingenuous straw men fallacies "apologists" make when they say something about the CC. That was the MAJOR thing that popped out when i researched the CC and ended up converting ... every single preacher and teacher was giving their own view of what the CC teaches, and not telling what the CC actually teaches from its own source material. It just drove me insane
The crowds murmured about Jesus! They looked Him in His Divine Eyes and walked away. The world loves the lie, as it pleases the self. And Protestantism is founded on the human ego. The bible is valuable only to the degree to which it supports the self. It has become an ersatz Christ.
I'd like to know why you believe these things should be taught to christians: 1. Treasury of merits 2. Supererogation 3. Selling indulgences 4. Bow down and serving graven images and statues 5. prayers addressed to creatures 6. Exclusion of God's 2nd command (in relation to the number 4) 7. Infallibility of the pope 8. dulia, hyperdulia, latria 9. immaculate conception 10. purgatory
@@ozaredam 1. Since you are apparently no scholar, which site did you copy and paste these "objections" from"? 2. TAKE NOTE!!! Since it is YOUR theology which has departed from Christian orthodoxy, please justify YOUR departure. Clear and unarguable chapter and verse ONLY (your rules).
The Eastern Orthodox are just as worse. Even some priests and deacons will not even be bothered to read even the Catechism. They consider themselves just right about everything. Many Orthodox, even rural folk from the mid-West seem to have sleeping difficulties because of filioque. And don't even mention the Sack of Constantinople in 1204! '1204 gets me so bugged man, I am really bugged now ya hear!' says the Orthodox convert in the South who up until recently didn't know where in Europe this city is located. 'It doesn't matter, the West is to be blamed!' Some Orthodox even goes so far as to blame the filioque for the spiritual decline of the entire Western civilization.
If I recall correctly, the book of Enoch was quoted by St. Jude, and Enoch ended up not becoming canon. So just because Jesus or an Apostle did or did not quote a particular book, did not mean that that book would be canon.
Some people think that just because they had been Catholic for their whole life, they became church fathers and are qualified to interpret the Bible and Traditions correctly😂.
@@danieljoseph2617 Not at all. "He who hears you hears Me" JESUS to the Apostles in Luke 10:16. Love scripture? Sure you do! Here's some: PETER as Shepherd and first Pope: Scriptural evidence and the structure of the primitive Church make it absolutely undeniable that Christ chose Peter and that Peter was first among the twelve. Depending on the translation, Peter is mentioned 195 times. The closest is John (the beloved disciple) at just 29 times. The rest even less. Consider: Jesus entered Peter’s house. (Matthew 8:14) Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter. (John 1:42) Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven. (Matthew 16:19) Jesus declared Peter to the the rock. (Matthew 16:18) Jesus made Peter shepherd. (John 21:15-17) Jesus told Peter to strengthen his brothers (Luke 22:32) Jesus paid the Temple tax only for Himself and Peter. (Matthew 17:24-27) Jesus preached from Peter's boat. (Luke 5:3) Jesus told Peter to "Follow me" (John 21:19) Jesus called only Peter to walk on the water. (Matthew 14:29) Jesus predicted Peter's three-fold denial. (Matthew 26:34) Jesus predicted Peter's repentance and three-fold affirmation. (Luke 22:32) Jesus prophesied only Peter's manner of death. (John 21:18-19) Jesus taught Peter forgiveness 70 times 7 times. (Matthew 18:21-22) Jesus spoke only to Peter at Gethsemane. (Mark 14:37) Peter is always listed first of the Apostles. (Matthew 10:2, Luke 6:14, Acts 1:13) Peter was first to confess Jesus as Messiah. (Matthew 16:18) Peter alone spoke at the Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke 9:33) Peter pointed out the withered fig tree. (Mark 11:21) Peter entered the tomb first - John deferring to him. (Luke 24:12, John 20:3-4)) Peter decided the manner of replacing Judas. (Acts 1:15-26) Peter spoke for the eleven at the Pentecost. (Acts 2:14-36) Peter was released from prison by the Angel. (Acts 12:6-11) Peter spoke for the eleven before the Council. (Acts 4:8-12) Peter held sin bound to Ananias and Sapphira. (Acts 5:1-10) Peter's shadow healed. (Acts 5:15) Peter declared the sin of Simony. (Acts 8:18-23) Peter revealed the salvation of Gentiles to the Church at Jerusalem. (Acts 11:1-18) The Angel told Cornelius to call for Peter. (Acts 10:3-8) The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles as Peter preached to them. (Acts 10:44-45) At the empty tomb, the Angel said, "Go tell His disciples, and Peter." (Mark 16:7) Mary Magdalene ran to tell Peter and the beloved disciple. (John 20:2) The vision of all foods being clean was given only to Peter. (Acts 10:9-16) Peter's words silence the first council in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:7-12) Paul went to Peter to affirm that his Gospel was not in vain. (Galatians 1:18) Peter was given the revelation of the end of the world. (2 Peter 3:10-11) Peter taught that Paul’s words were easily twisted. (2 Peter 3:16) Peter taught that baptism now saves you (1 Peter 3:21) And many other references. One may deny that Peter was primary, but it takes an amazing ignorance or denial of scripture and history to do so. OH!!! Wait!!! Paul!!! 2 Corinthians 2:10 Authorized (King James) Version "To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST;" So is Paul also in hell?
@@danieljoseph2617 One, the Pope doesn't "pretend" to be Jesus on Earth, you have zero clue what the victor of Christ title means, Two, who are you to decide someone's eternal destiny? You're not God.
@@danieljoseph2617 and three, the Catholic Church compiled the New Testament canon you have, dude. Though many councils that occurred before Protesants were even a thing.
Regarding intercession: Whether we are alive on earth or alive in Christ in heaven we are all members of One Body. The church is alive!! So of course we can intercede as members of that one body, in Christ.
Non-catholic and catholic people, please pray this every day. "Show me your ways, Lord, teach me your paths. Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior," - Psalm 25:4-5
I said I am very strong now (spiritually) ..... True ... but only in other areas but NOT in all areas. There are still areas in me where I am still coward, weak, fearful and broken. Yes, I still have cowardice, sinful fear and shame in some areas. But with God's help, I keep improving. My weaknesses and sins keep diminishing day by day by God's grace. Praise God!
@@marietav7342 Sister God bless you, God Resists the Proud but gives Grace to the Humble. The Lord told me Sister that upon Death our Will is *FIXED.* Do you believe this Sister?
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon: where there is doubt, faith ; where there is despair, hope where there is darkness, light where there is sadness, joy O divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love; for it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life
I used to listen to Frank Turek and Sean McDowell. Well they seem to be a good guys, but in the end, but the way they're teaching are purely base on His-story, not facts..
So excited to see this! Frank Turek is very influential in evangelical circles, but, yes, he's misinformed on some things. Would love to see his reversion someday.
The “one mediator only” trope is so thoroughly debunked by Jesus Himself when the paralytic is brought to Him by his friends … and is healed because of *their* faith, *their* mediation. It is literally their intercession that motivates Jesus.
The question is how do we know the new testament books are scripture. It is not about whether they are list of authoritative books or authoritative list of books. How do we know they are authoritative?
Mr Tureks comment really seems bizarre coming from a religion based on Sola Scriptura. Kind of like when Luther went around saying Sola Scriptura but then just tried to remove several books from the New Testament and several from Deuteronomical books. A lot of this isn't adding up for me.
The example of the thief on the Cross is a VERY poor example which is quite shocking how poor it is. The thief was on death's door therefore had no time to do any works of salvation. All he had was faith which came at the last moment of his life. The Mercy of Christ is demonstrated in this situation.
He Spoke up for Jesus in front of men.. unable to be baptised on the cross he had what the church calls Baptism of Desire.. which is when it is physically impossible for someone to be baptised. But by defending Jesus on the Cross. Jesus keeps his word.. “Therefore everyone who confesses me before men, I will also confess them in front of my Father” Matthew 10:32…
Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah. And had a great big Baptism Party
@@Bobby-xr4bo why are you asking him that? He is correct. St. Dismas didn’t enter heaven before Jesus ascended into heaven and opened the gates of heaven. When Christ told St. Dismas he would be in paradise with Christ today He wasn’t speaking of heaven - Christ was speaking of Abraham’s bosom where Christ descended in to hell for 3days after He died to preach to the righteous
I've learned a good amount of apologetics from Frank, and I'm grateful for that. He does, however, deny what his own intellect, let alone the Spirit, is telling him. He knows the answer, he just denies, and for what reason, we'll never know. Let's just pray God bring him back to the Apostolic Church, like He has so many of us who once left!
So you want him back in the church but you seem to think as a believer he left the church? The church is the body of Christ on earth it does not have a name , it is not located in Europe , it does not build cathedrals . Eph 2:19-22 As a believer in Christ you are in the body of Christ .
@@brucewmclaughlin9072@brucewmclaughlin9072 Thank you, Brother, for showing light to the blind. It's the rare catholic who is self-aware enough to question their beliefs. they remind me of muslims
@@DarkKnightofThrones you asking a ex Catholic what if they watched the video ? Yes I know the standard Catholic answer . I’m not interested so much to what Catholics say as to how they live . US Catholic sadly live more like Joe Biden then Mother Theresa. Now I do enjoy some honest thinking Catholics in life and social media but they are few and far between.
are you aware of all the catholic teachings like these: 1. Treasury of merits 2. Supererogation 3. Selling indulgences 4. Bow down and serving graven images and statues 5. prayers addressed to creatures 6. Infallibility of the pope 7. dulia, hyperdulia, latria 8. immaculate conception 9. purgatory
@@ozaredam yes I am well aware of the anticatholic lies thank you. Those lies are 1500 years old and wornout...If ANY of it were true the Catholic church would not still be standing.
@@ozaredam Yes, well aware of all the 1500 year old anti-catholic propaganda thanks. If any of it were true, do you think the Catholic church would still be standing?
@@ozaredam Yes, well aware of all the anti-catholic propaganda thanks. If any of it were true, do you think the Catholic church would still be standing?
@@JiII_S can you just provide a substantial answer on the points i stated instead? There's no propaganda in my question if youI have read it properly. I'm a catholic (universal christian) myself but not a roman catholic
Acts 8:14-17 explains how there were those in Samaria who had received the Word of God and were baptized in water, yet they waited for the apostles to come lay hands on them to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. If there is no laity, and all people are part of the priesthood, why would they need to wait for the apostles to lay hands on them to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Why didn't Philip do it, or why didn't they just lay hands on each other or just pray for it? Could it be that the apostles had something from God that not all members of the Church had?
That is talking about the sacrament of confirmation. Can we still do that today. We received the Holy Spirit at baptism but then we received the fullness of the spirit including the gifts of the Spirit through the laying on of hands at confirmation. That's been done for 2000 years. They couldn't lay hands on each other because they didn't have the authority.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialLIES. GOD DOES the baptism of the Holy Ghost and YES they can still lay hands on people in church and they can receive the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the spirit to God give utterance. Water baptism do not give anyone the Holyghost EVER they are two separate Baptism. You all don’t let God baptize you. God does this supernaturally which you all Don’t get because of your false catholic doctrine and LIES OF DECEPTION by Satan. God does this supernaturally. It doesn’t take or need a confirmation. John the Baptist specifically said HE WILL BAPTIZE you with the Holy Ghost Man can not BAPTIZE anyone with the Holy Ghost and it doesn’t consist of water.
He is seriously deceived and sold delusions. It’s another Christ and Gospel. Water baptism as a babe being sprinkled does not give one the HOLY GHOST. ITS a supernatural baptism PERFORMED by GOD ONLY THROUGH Jesus Christ. Deception is real. Please get off this channel
@@johnchrysostom330 it has yes.. and continued to have them until the 1800s when they were removed altogether, believe it or not, to save on manufacturing costs of printing Bibles.. so they were removed because the Protestant Church thought saving money was more important than keeping the Holy Bible intact..
I’m glad and greatful that you have taken up the issues of Protestant mis interpretation of what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Many times Protestant people make me laugh at how they’re misguided. So much hate on their part.
I saw this interview with Frank before. I knew when I heard the well constructed question that he couldn't admit the books of the bible were authoritative. He tried to bluff and made a cathostrophic blunder by declaring that the seven books were "old testament". He lost any standing he may have had with this reply.
Frank is a nice guy, he actually put Jimmy Akin in his show. But, Frank holds many fallacies about Catholicism. For some reason he thinks Jesus had a brother, and he thinks we worship Saints , Mary, and the Pope. Holds a strange cartoonish beliefs. But he's not a mean nasty guy, he's a good guy.
@@fantasia55eucharist is a Catholic belief. Billy Graham is not a Catholic. Many protestants hated Graham for not hating the Catholic church. Graham did not budge
@@Kitiwake i saw that, that was the first time I have seen Frank appeal to personal experience, he didn't leave the church because it wasn't true, he left because it wasn't his flavor
We pray for each other Not to each other Big difference and no born again believer hate anyone. Y’all need to get out of catholism and their lies for real.
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Saints pray for us when we pray for their intercession. See ? We can't call them on the phone to pray for us. You don't understand what we even believe..
Is there a book you would recommend to learn and study the church fathers? Thank you so much I appreciate your videos 🙏 I’m trying to be more of a CATHOLIC than catholic
Good for you!! Sure. For a 1-volume work: "The Father's Know Best" By Jimmy Akin. (A good overview). More in depth, a 3-volume set where you can read their writings for yourself at some length: "The Faith of the Early Fathers" by William Jugens. Hope that helps.
Send us a link please. Bryan@catholictruth.org I don't know if we will be able to right now since we are on a fundraising campaign, but we can take a look. If you know anyone who can make a good donation, it would be easier and quicker to do. God bless.
Actually Baptism had already been instituted , Jesus was baptised ,and his apostles were baptising as stated in John 3:25 ..but the thief on the cross argument is an argument from silencd, we know for sure that thief knew of Jesus teaching for they both were Judea but we don't know if the thief was not baptized from his disciples he could have been baptized yet reverted back to sin.
that was Johns Baptism of repentance The Great Commission Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world." Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen...
@bibleman8010 yes correct, but my main point is the argument from protestants stating that faith alone saved the thief on the cross is an argument from silence.
@@bibleman8010 the poster is correct in that the Protestants wrongly use St. Dismas (the good thief) as proof against baptism. For them to use St. Dismas they have to read into Scripture and add to it while using the argument from silence because no where are we told if he was baptised or not but we can deduce from Scripture that he most likely was a fallen away disciple of Christ because he knew that Christ was the Lord and was going to His Kingdom after He died (Luke 23:42) Something Jesus only taught and made clear to His disciples (Matt. 13:10-16; Mark 4:10-12) We would also use the fact that until Jesus died, was buried, rose again and ascended into heaven all Jews were still under the old covenant and baptism wasn’t instituted as part of the new covenant yet - but that there was John the baptists baptism of repentance which even Jesus and His disciples utilised (John 3:22). It is also an example where they verse mine hoping to build their whole belief system off while ignoring the rest of the Bible - so we should be pointing out that special cases can happen because God can chose that but we shouldn’t commit the sin of presumption that God will apply that special circumstance to us. They wouldn’t claim either their ‘faith alone’ belief that the faith of their friend is enough to save them yet we see in (Mark 2:5) this is exactly what causes Jesus to forgive a man - his friends faith. So we should hold them to the standard they try to claim through verse mining by pointing out Scripture elsewhere asking if they are consistent or a hypocrite.
Three things about the thief on the cross,first- he regreted his doings,two- he turned to Jesus for help,three- he was already being punish for his sins by hanging there in pain on the cross. The one more thing I would say is that this was a very special,one and only moment in the history of Jesus being there right before His death on the Cross, so I am sure He could,He wanted and He did such a favour of taking to heaven with Him anyone He decided to take.
The council of Carthage in 397 was not the final canon as he says. It wasn’t until the council of Trent that the current canon was finalized and called authoritative and the council then issued an anathema to dissenters. Prior to that it wasn’t just Jerome that disagreed that the apocryphal books were not part of the canon. Between 397 and 1546 there were many popes, bishops, cardinals, priests that also didn’t agree the apocryphal books were part of the canon. Even at the council of Trent there were a significant number that didn’t agree wit the inclusion of the apocryphal books into the canon. Lastly, note that just because Jerome translated the books, that didn’t mean he agreed they were part of the canon.
Nope, Carthage was the authoritative ecumenical Council that canonized the Bible which is why the pope officially ratified it afterward with excommunications and ananathamas for anyone who didn't except it. We have the Council writings and don't need to guess. Some may have personally not agreed in their subjective fallibility but they all accepted the teaching of the church.
I was lectured to by a Protestant that the Septuagint is “the Bible of the first Christians” I said wow that’s awesome. I agree. Did you know that the Septuagint contained the 7 Deuterocanonical books ??? Why is the Protestant canon different than the one used by the first Christians? 😂
When protetestanz say KJV is the only true bibe. The saying don't add or take way from the Bible. I then ask, which version of KJV The confuse look on their face and then they start making excuses why it was edited
As a former Protestant who used to argue against the "Apocrypha" as scripture and part of the canon of the Bible, I have reversed my position after doing more research on the topic. The more that I would try to argue against it and dug deeper, the more that I found the Protestant position is just wrong and in most cases reveals just a very surface understanding of the topic. Most Protestants think 1 of 2 things (or both) in regard to the Deuterocanon. 1) The Catholics "added the books" and/or 2) They follow the "Jewish Scriptures" and think that they had their own canon at the time of Jesus Christ. The argument about "not an infallible list", is just a weak attempt at a work around to avoid admitting the authority of the Church. If you just say that its an infallible list then you don't have to admit that the Church had the authority to say which books were and weren't scripture.
All I can say my Catholic brother Brian is that denominations of Christianity is one of Jesus prophesies in the gospel,for there’s a place in the gospels where Jesus warns his Apostles not to be led astray for Jesus tells them I say to you do not be led astray for I say to you that many shall come teaching in my name saying I am he the Christ and shall teach many in my name BINGO now isn’t this is what’s happening for such a long long time from far back for this is what Jesus is revealing to his Apostles so that they be prepared and ready to confront these false teachers and teachings not just at Pentecost but onwards throughout time yeah.Thank you my catholic brother Brian for another splendid video amen 🙏
Something I noticed about the thief on the cross is he did 3 things. First is repentance (fear of God), second is he seemed to acknowledge Jesus’s sacrifice, third is he asked to be remembered. The other thief wasn’t saved by grace because he did none of these, yet did dare ask to be saved.
Best example of a reference to the deuterocanon in the NT is in Hebrews 11 where it gives the examples of martyrs who gave their lives in hope of the resurrection, and there is only one such example in the OT and it’s in 2 Maccabees
Not just that but in the NT we see Jesus was in Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of dedication (John 10:22) The feast of dedication is hannukah - no where in the Protestant OT books is there any mention of the feast of dedication because the only book it is mentioned in is Maccabees So they don’t realise that when they try to discredit the deuterocanon they are making the claim Jesus celebrated a non Jewish feast from books Catholics added to the canon that Jews supposedly rejected - meaning Jews celebrate a feast that is no where in their books…
Was that some sort of rebuttal? Hebrews 11:35, there are 3 OT examples, from 1 Kings 17 where Elijah saved a mistress’s son, 2 Kings 4 where Elisha does the same thing, but these are in view in the first half of the verse. 2 Maccabees 7 is where all a woman’s sons are tortured and martyred in view of the bodily resurrection. This latter example is more indicated with the second half of the verse saying “some were tortured and would not accept deliverance in order to obtain a better resurrection.” The first two examples don’t fit with that part. There is no example of this martyrdom in the Protestant OT, it only comes from Maccabees.
Thanks for going after some "big guns". Frank Turek is very intelligent, but like anyone with a popular platform, can be broadcast on the internet as definitive and perceived as infallible. I pray that you and your team become a new standard of apologetics and truth very soon. God bless you Bryan 😇
As he acknowledged, Jerome's opinion of the canon was meaningless. Not just that, he was wrong, excluding books because they were only in Greek. It turns out that the Holy Spirit knew what he was doing, because Hebrew originals were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Sad but true. In a critique of Protestantism, I said this: ”The individual interpretation inherent in Protestantism can logically result in each believer forming their own conception of Jesus, based on their personal beliefs. This could potentially lead to the existence of thousands of different versions of Jesus. However, it's important to remember that Jesus imparted one set of true teachings, as there is only one truth. When each believer creates their own version of Jesus based on their comfort level, it could possibly lead to a form of Christianity that diverges significantly from what Jesus originally intended and into heresy. This highlights the importance of adhering to the original teachings and understanding their true essence."
@@josh39684Amen. I even add in and how can 2 allegedly Holy Spirit filled people be led to 2 different truths when that would contradict the solar scriptura they are so adamant on.
@@TheZealotsDen very good point. I might add that. Here's a quote that I like: "Since it is fluctuating, it is impossible simply and all at once to make known its nature, for every one of them hands it down just as his inclination prompts. Thus there are as many schemes of redemption as there are teachers of these mystical opinions. And when we come to refute them, we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith.”
In Protestantism’s point of view, they are constrained by what the Bible say. In their view, it is the Catholic that has been adding extra. - eg. In confession, the Priest would say “For the forgiveness and penance of your sins, pray 10 Hail Marys. Indulgences. Praying repeating prayer - Rosary, Scapulary, Purgatory, Kneeling and praying to Idols of Saints and Mary, and so much more.
I really hate it when protestants use 1 Timothy 2:5 but it's even more hilarious that it displays thier inability to finish the sentence and read what came before and after. As even in the same sentence they quote it literally provides us with the context to interpret mediator, which is the one who paid the ransom for sins. It's also in this chapter where it also goes onto say how after being born in Christ we've been set apart to do good works which God has created for us, but apparently good works don't mean anything 🙄
This is a reason I didn't become Protestant. They have this bizarre tendency to cherry pick single verses and radicalize their meaning without any regards to what an entire chapter is saying or how their interpretation unknowingly contradicts another section in scripture. They also have a habit of giving the impression of thinking they know exactly what Catholics believe, teach and practice (as well as other churches and even other religions) while disappointingly demonstrating they actually do not. I'm not sure what it is about Protestant culture that makes them do this but it drives me crazy.
@@jaranarm true, not only that but they're so divorced from the Jewish connection of faith that they don't realise the significance of aspects of the faith like praying for the dead, communion of saints, High Priest, Ark of the covenant etc etc. Whereas Catholic church and to an extent the orthodox who have that lineage to the apostles can say this was taught and accepted by the early church as this particular belief was strongly held by the Jewish faith and here's how it fits into the new covenant i.e. Christ's sacrifice. It's why I love Dr Brant Pitre's work on "the Jewish roots of..." As he shows what the Jews professed and believed in their sources like the Talmud that ties into the keys of the kingdom and Eliakhim (think that's the correct spelling) in Isiah and how the keys would be entrusted to the new office upon Peter i.e. the Papacy. It constantly blows my mind how much isn't known to protestants, like the Ante-Nicene Father's writings which even had an account by St John the apostle on the assumption of Mary. Reading these things completely destroys the argument that Constantine "paganized" Christianity despite such writings taking place long before he came to the scene.
Hey! Quick question regarding the salvation of the thief on the cross. You mentioned that baptism hadn’t started yet, but John the Baptist baptized Jesus. Not sure how you meant that baptism hadn’t started yet. I believe we can safely assume that the thief was never baptized by John or he wouldn’t have committed a crime. Thanks!
that was Johns Baptism of repentance ....John the Baptist baptized Jesus. The Great Commission Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world." Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen...
Nope John the baptists baptism was a baptism of repentance not baptism of salvation. We can’t claim St. Dismas was baptised or not because Scripture doesn’t elude to it. But what we can defer from Scripture is that St. Dismas (the good thief) most likely was a fallen away disciple because he knew that Christ was the Lord and was going to His Kingdom after He died (Luke 23:42) Something Jesus only taught and made clear to His disciples (Matt. 13:10-16; Mark 4:10-12)
I would love for you to do a video on why the Coptic church is heretical and not the true one, holy, catholic and apostolic church for my Coptic friend who refuses to convert and accept Catholicism.
Question, does the Knox translation of the New Testament have the Gospel message that has sufficiency to lead a sinner to Salvation? A simple yes or no would be be nice !
Any translation could possibly lead a sinner to Salvation if they properly understand it and interpret it. This is why we need the church. Most Protestants read scripture but get the gospel message wrong or incomplete.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Acts 10 has very simple Gospel message, totally uncomplicated, which resulted in salvation to all those who heard and believed. Where they not truly believers, members of the body of Christ at that point? Or was Peter wrong when he acknowledged they received the same Holy Spirit as all the Apostles?
It says Scripture is inspired by God, yes. Which we agree. But it doesn't Scripture alone is inspired by God. It also says Christ established an authoritative Church that west listen to. Also,.2 Tim 3:16-17 is talking about the Old Testament. The New Testament was not even written or finished yet.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial2 Timothy 3:16-17 is talking About NOW. YOU ARE LOST and have no idea what you are talking to. It is saying it is ENOUGH and we have what we need to get to heaven with the KJV BIBLE PRAY AND ASK God to heal us. We are born again with the holiness and the word of Christ is enough. We don’t know Luther nor CATHOLISM and they do not own salvation nor can say WHO gets the Holy Ghost or WHOM God choses. This false demonic religion you all think is The truth are deceived and ignorant.
Yes. Please ignore this man. He doesn’t believe in Christ and what Jesus and the apostles taught. MARK AND AVOID because HE loves the lies of another DOCTRINE HE DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLYGHOST
Yes, and who did God inspire to write the books of Timothy? Paul, a Bishop of the Church Jesus started, which is the Catholic Church. If the NT is infallible, so were the men who wrote the NT and they were Catholics, cause Jesus started the Catholic Church. If the Church is not infallible, the NT that the Catholic Church wrote is also not infallible.
The moderator complying address half of what Frank said and ignore the second part. Frank is saying that the books decide what goes in the cannon not the church or the pope.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial that is what Catholics believe, but if a book or books goes against the the previous scriptures then it is not inspired by God. We use the previous books to determine if a book is inspired by God.
Just shows you the protestant Foundation already started off on shaking ground with Luther. I'm going to convert to Catholicism soon from Protestantism, because Protestantism is way off and preach so much lies and heresy.
Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, ( which also Is False)and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church.😜😜
James White seems very kind. many Protestants are kind who cares if there liars he says he still goes to Catholic mass he takes his mother but he never hears the gospel of grace
In reference to letting "the dead intercede for you". As Christians we don't talk to the dead or ask the dead anything And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? Isaiah 8:19 and you can't say those people who dead are not dead, in the context. "the dead in Christ" - believers who are dead, are dead 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a [d]shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. its as simple as that, pls don't talk to the dead, i don't talk like i have all the accurate doctrines, but we correct and reproof each other as iron sharpens iron
@cfm8090 nice question bro. I will put another question for you : Why was Jesus transfigured when talking with them? "...Being witnessed by the law and prophets... " Roms 3:21. These people were not interceding for Jesus and Jesus wasn't inquiring from them. Another thing , Jesus is God, He can talk to the dead and living
I think Mr. Turek thinks that if goes back to being Catholic, he is afraid that his former students, his friends, or other people that he convinced to become protestant as well as his protestant church will feel betrayed deeply or feel scammed. I think (I may be wrong), He left the Catholic Church without fully understanding it and is convinced that teaching and influencing people to go out of it is doing them a favor. 😢
Excatly, I agree, That Evangelical should think twice, scripture has already mentioned asking saint in heavan to pray for u, even Moroccan Jews ask someone in heaven to pray for u, the Moroccan Jews even do it so themselves.
@eucharistangel4662 Well u can't say no, but God doesn't love Evangelicals either and I do care to see it but Evangelicals keep altering the bible to suit their view how ironic
How do you rebut the claims SDA made on the "Souls that cry in heaven" Revelation chapter 6- the 5th seal were those murdered by the Roman Catholic church???
Of course Jesus is the one mediator between his Father and himself Catholics that are learned know that,but what Protestants do not understand at all is that not only people on earth can pray to him but also his Holy Mother Mary all the Saints on Earth and in Heaven and even the Holy Angels in heaven can pray to Jesus so that all prayers that are presented to Jesus he will offer to his Father
@eucharistangel4662 who talking about hearts of men I’m talking about prayers,oh and by the way I don’t know what kind of angel you claim to be whooo weeee what’s next that people will say
@eucharistangel4662 The dead cannot hear the living, really? Then how was Christ able to speak with Moses and Elijah who were dead, and how was Peter able to pray to and speak to Tabitha who was dead before he resurrected her? You should read scripture before you hurl insults at other people.
Always the Thief on the Cross with Protestants. He was the exception, not the rule. We’re bound by the Sacraments but God is not. Also the One Mediator quote has to do with salvation but you can still ask for intercession for one another. God is the God of the living! No Catholic has ever asked anyone but Christ for salvation. Any honor to another saint is from Christ alone!
The thing with our p. friends is they almost treat the bible like a contact with God. "The thief clause says..."...😂 Instead of just adoring God and loving their neighbor.
Retro, it is very sad. It is good to know history though, and to realize that when you go back before the 1500s, there are no denominations and things are a lot more clear and easy to see.
I’m a new believer and I’m saddened by both sides just beating up on each other like politicians.Instead of preaching their beliefs so I can enjoy a good sermon all they do is throw trash at each other. I’m so confused and so disappointed in my brothers in Christ. As a new believer THIS SUCKS!
Mr . Turek was not trashing Catholicism. He was sharing how we differ and respectfully shared how he thought we had it wrong in some cases. And visa versa. Jesus didn't just preach sermons. He also called out the Pharisees and their error regularly, fought the Sadduccees, and called out sin. There are channels that are more like what you are looking for (ruclips.net/video/b5D7eW97BZ8/видео.htmlsi=B-Fb2BZY2lema9Aa OR ruclips.net/video/CIVvpFojbzk/видео.html) But this is primarily an apologetics channel. It's goal is to help Catholics and non-Catholics to understand what the Catholic Church teaches and why, and how it's the true church of Jesus Christ. We also help to undo some of the common false claims and misunderstandings out there. God bless.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Thank you for answering. I just wan to follow and serve our King that’s all. Both sides make strong arguments for themselves and it’s very hard to choose. I’ve been back and forth for some time. I just pray for guidance. God bless.
Amazing video like always something I would like to add, which I dont know if you say it later in the video or not I'm still watching. It can be a hard thing to prove a negative, it's hard to show that Jesus didn't quote from esther or any other book which he didn't quote because for all you know he could of quoted it we might of just skipped over it. What I like to point out is how the apolstes and other bible writers quoted books that are not included in the bible. So the books of the bible are not determined by the books in the the bible they are determined by the Holy Spirit through the Holy Spirit. If that makes sence.
Frank Turek seems more like a simpleton than a serious scholar to me. He makes a lot of obvious errors that he shouldn’t be making if he has studied the way he claims he has. For a former Catholic to not know the basic teachings of the Catholic Church there seems to be a major problem. I have never met ANY Catholic priest who couldn’t explain why we ask for the intercession of the saints as well as friends and loved ones. Frank seems disingenuous to me. 😊😊😊
He didn't know his Catholic faith. That's the problem. A prominent former Protestant Bible scholar and theologian said that when he was a Protestant pastor, getting Catholics to leave the Church was as easy as shooting ducks in a pond because they didn't know their faith. Easy targets.
So franks logic is if it was quoted in the Bible then it’s authoritative. Eek so the pagan writings St. Paul quotes according to frank should be in the Bible…
Bryan, when you say Mr. Turek is humble and charitable toward Catholics, I don't see it that way. Granted, he isn't raising his voice, but he is making fun of us, especially when talking about praying to the saints and Christ as mediator.
Just a note of correction. Protestants do believe in praying to Christ, the one mediator between God and man and no Protestant would ever make a mockery of someone who prayed to Jesus Christ as mediator. We need to be sure that we do not accuse anyone unjustly.
@@Mark3ABE Yes, of course all Christians, Catholic and Protestant, pray directly to Jesus Christ. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, and Catholics do both. Catholics ask the saints to pray with us to Christ, just as we ask our loved ones here on earth to pray for and with us. Mr. Turek is suggesting that intercessory prayer is wrong if we include prayers to the saints. Not so. When we pray litanies, we ask Jesus to have mercy on us, but we ask each saint to pray for us. There are many examples of litanies. In every single one, we ask God for mercy and ask the saints in Heaven to pray for us. We do so because we recognize that they are already with God, worshipping Him. We hope to join them when our life here ends.
@@julieoelker1865 It is a great mystery, since, of course, we believe that those who enter into the eternal joy of Heaven are no longer sad and worried by what is happening on earth. So, if we pray to a Saint, about some very great trouble which we are experiencing, if he can hear our prayer and intercede for us, would not that interrupt the Beatific Vision? Causing him worry and concern? There is, I am sure, a proper answer to that question. On the other hand, if we pray directly to the Lord but in the name of a Saint, for example, by praying that we shall have the same courage as a particular Saint, or the same love and compassion as another Saint, known, in each case for these particular virtues, then the Saint is not interrupted in the Beatific Vision.
Not necessarily. James and John often wanted to act like that and got scolded by Jesus. Call down fire to wipe out the Gentiles who were persecuting them, and Jesus scolded them. So like in any given situation, we need prayer and discernment of what God is asking us, how, and how much
Hello! Have you ever watched this video: James White's lies on Jerome Refuted? James White said that Jerome didn't believe in Mary as a perpetual virgin, but those dudes in this video refuted those claims using Jerome's works to prove thelat he did hold that position and they show other earlier sources that shows us that the concensus was that she is a perpetual virgin. This video is awesome.
I'm finding protestants very frustrating. The one mediator for example. Calling upon intercession from the Saints and Mary is not denying that saving sacrifice of our Lord anymore that those of us here on earth praying for each other. To follow this guy's logic would mean there is no need for prayer at all.
.” (1 Tim. 2:1) "I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone - for kings, for all those in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all godliness and holiness. This is good and pleases God our Saviour, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus." 1Timothy 2:1-5 Jesus is the one Mediator of our salvation, our only Saviour. But He is not our only intercessor, as the whole passage above clearly indicates. So the one passage that fundamentalists have used to deny intercessionary prayer, when read in context, actually backs up intercessionary prayer.😘😘
@@bibleman8010 You are absolutely right. The problem of the Protestants is, they like to isolate one single verse of the scriptural context and to put together their own doctrines. Reading in this manner the Bible, they misinterpret it all the time.
Though he made a list of all the things the good thief did not do. How could he know? As a jew there is a good chance he would have read the torah. He was sympathetic to Jesus while on the cross. Maybe he had heard of Jesus, as he had become famous for his teaching and miracles. Perhaps he had beento one of his gatherings out of curiosity and had started to believe. Lots of people were baptised by John could he have been one. As there is nothing said about the thief we do not know who he realy was. All we know is that he was beside Jesus on the cross. His words to Jesus could be seen as a proto-cofesssion. So you might say that, that was one sacrament he recieved.
14:47 "Obviously you don't need to do good work to be saved" so live in sinful life as long as believe in Jesus? Frank Turek should look up to the characters of Pharisees in the bible. He is exactly one.
Frank had a great dialogue with Jimmy Akin recently. Frank is one of the Protestants I like more, but he's missing a few nuts and bolts on the Catholic Church.
I think Jerome's point was that it would be impossible to convince Jews who reject Jesus to accept Him as their messiah if they continued to use those books as evidence which the Jews don't consider scripture. Christians would need to meet the Jews on common ground instead and rely on only those books that they both considered canon. The collection now referred to as the Protocanon is a collection of inspired scripture that both Jews and Christians consider scripture and the Deuterocanon is the remaining collection of inspired books.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I didn't have a great religious education growing up. Now, thanks to God and St. Pope John Paul II and his wanting an updated Catechism, I started to learn more about my faith than I ever learned in school.
And for the "he (Jésus) died on the cross at his place ( the thief) i genuinly find this one ironic😅!! It is 💯% correct that Jésus died on the cross for our sin EXEPT for the thief nailled on a cross beside him!! I know there where two thief but you get the gist!!!
I would like to know from Mr. Turek where in the Bible Jesus Christ or the apostles abolished the ordained priesthood. Besides the special authority Jesus Christ gave his apostles you mentioned, Paul used in Tim. 4: 14 the expressions "grace of ordination" and "priesthood", at least according to the German translation from P. Gebhard Heyder. And we know from the church fathers end first/beginning 2nd century A.D. that the ministry of a bishop and deacon belonged to the higher ranked hierarchy of the church and that they were ordained as you said by lying their hands on them. In the official New American English translation of the Vatican, Paul describes the ordination to the priesthood in 1 Tim. 4: 14 as follows: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Tim. 4:14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was conferred on you through the prophetic word 8 with the imposition of hands of the PRESBYTERATE. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- English isn't my native language, but as far as I know, presbyterate is a synonym for priesthood. In German the word "Priester" in English "priest" is derived from the Greek word "presbyteros". Priests are called mostly "elders" in the Bible, but in biblical terminology, it means a shepherd, a person of authority who cares for the believers. It's the ministry of the priest. We know from the early church fathers end of the first century A.D. and, the beginning of the second century A.D. that the ministry of a deacon, a bishop, and a priest was only given by ordination. If I'm wrong, somebody can correct me. And Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5: 18-19 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul writes here the ministry of reconciliation was given through Christ to the apostles. So the Bible confirms the catholic sacrament of the ordained priesthood.
Not sure he even understands what Frank explained. The Bible is clear that books are authoritative, the Bible contains zero lists that are authoritative. So biblically, only books are authoritative and list are not authoritative. A list just shows which books are authoritative, that is all.
Frank is one of the more charitable Prots. He had Jimmy Akin on his show recently. But I don't get where people get the idea that he is a great apologist comes from? He honestly flubs a lot of challenges. Just that first clip was an example. Not only did he use an appeal to authority that was utterly bogus, he gives a weak defense.
There is only one mediator between Man and God. The Catholic Catechism clearly states four times that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man (Paragraphs 618, 956, 1544, and 2574) Christ's role as the only mediator is that he sacrificed himself for the remission of sin. The Catholic Church has always believed that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. It is the death and resurrection of Jesus alone by which people are saved.
The kingdom of heaven is a spiritual kingdom. Not one of the flesh. Mother Mary, the saints, the angels and many others are alive in heaven. They can see and hear us. They are with us in spirit. We are connected to them through the holy Spirit. Get it!?
😂😂😂😂 12:29 Catholic Truth quotes “Ezra is in the Bible and is not quote by Jesus or the Apostle. Therefore, …. it’s not an inspired book of scripture” and Mr Turek respond with Esther is not in the Dead Sea Scroll. What are you saying? You are not quoting them accurately - Ezra versus Esther.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial But the video clip of the student and of Dr. Taree never mentioned Ezra. This is an example of a Strawman argument as it is a position that the opponent doesn’t really hold. I think you are just not admitting your own mistake there.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 the bottom line is, there are several OT books that protestants DO accept that Jesus & apostles never quoted. If protestants were consistent, they would remove these books from their bibles. They won't, because quotation by Jesus is not one of the criteria for inspired books, it's a red herring that they don't actually accept(or wouldn't accept if they were aware of the unquoted books in their bibles). That isn't to say that Frank and others are lying, I think they are genuinely ignorant and are just parroting the same old protestant script.
@@Fiddleslip Hmmm. I dont think you boys have read the Book of Bruce Metzger. Go read “The Canon of Scipture” before making comments and claims please. Your logical reasoning astounds me too. The way you explain the meaning of the quote - The Canon is not an authoritative list of books, it’s a list of authoritative books. Once you have read Bruce Metzger’s book then you’ll realise your shotgun commentary and mistakes.
Like Tim Keller, FT has lots of empathy. Has only good intentions to all but he is in error. GK Chesterton Error is more menacing than crime because error begets crime
26:04 I hope you all hear my reproof with a humble heart. I am Christian too , i speak out of humility to correct 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not [g]prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth [h]will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” "you are Peter, and on this rock" Jesus was not referring to Peter as "this rock" "This rock" is the revelation Peter spoke out " You are the Christ, the Son of the living God". And to whoever knows and see and believe this revelation is , "the keys of the kingdom" given to. As a Christian, you have these keys. you can ask yourself this, why didnt Jesus say " you are Peter and on you I will build My church" check the word for Peter ("petros" - stone) and Check the word for "this rock" - ("petra" - huge mass of rock), two different greek words . this is the same word Jesus uses in Matthew 7:25 about the one who build his house on the rock. Peter was a great man But The Church is build on our Lord Jesus Christ not Peter or anyone or any denomination. The Rock is also the vision Daniel explained, the rock that filled up the whole earth.
Hey! I'm the guy from the first video that was talking to Frank about biblical inspiration!
It was a very interesting conversation and I actually did a pretty long breakdown of it on my channel. Frank got a lot of pretty easy things wrong in that video, but since then he seems to have come around to some extent on at least some of the points. I know a lot of people here have mentioned how he spoke with Jimmy Akin recently and, to me, it was pretty clear in that video that Frank sees a bit more depth to the Catholic faith than he may have been aware of before.
Also, very exciting to see myself appearing on Catholic RUclips channels! Absolutely a bizarre feeling but I'm thankful for your kind words toward my performance in the conversation and for you featuring the clip in your video. God bless you and your ministry!
Hey! Welcome to our channel! Thanks for your comment. God bless you as well and come around anytime. :)
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I know there are a lot of channels that need debunking, but one you need to know of is IThink Biblically run by an Australian named Caleb Corneloup (no joke). He has produced a series of vicious attacks on the Catholic Church recently. With 90k+ subscribers, he has some influence. Take a look.
He recently had a show including Jimmy Akin. I think he is open . Let’s pray for him.
How did the show go?
He wants to have Jimmy back. Jimmy definitely had Frank's Wheels turning.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial He was discussing with him regarding his debate with Bart Ehrman . It was a very friendly dialogue. It seems like he is interested in doing more shows with Jimmy .
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Pray for yourself and let God give you the Holyghost. Water doesn’t save anyone. It is the baptism of the HOLY GHOST
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Scripture at John 3:5 says " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God".clearly says WATER and SPIRIT. it doesn't say just the Spirit.
When I started questioning how the canon was compiled, that's when things got complicated for me. If I asked this question to a Protestant, they would say, "God said that they were inspired, so they were inspired." It felt like circular reasoning to me.
Protestantism is, at the end of the day, is built on truth relativism
Relativism?
@@Kitiwakeyeah had a typo
Protestantism is the heresy at the base of todays modernist attack on the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church that Christ founded and the fundamental reason for its effectiveness is due to the self-righteous sincerity that is exacerbated by pious pride of its adherents and their ignorance of the factual history. This ignorance has been driven by 500 years of powerful partisan Protestant propaganda that is well documented and referenced by Rodney Stark in his book Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History.
Putting any man as a valid interpreter of Holy scriptures, but not something created by Jesus Christ(Saint Peter"s Church). Any man as some kind of divinity is very similar to what satanists do elevating men on a divinity level
@@waxwaine No man is a valid interpreter, and that is why you should not listen to the innovative Calvin and Luther for example.
They have interpreted the false doctrine of Sola Fide and almost all Protestant churches dogmatically accept it.
What the church claims is what is in 1 Timothy 3:15.
Men advised by the holy apostles and guided by the holy spirit make the interpretative statements.
Thank you, Brother Bryan Mercier, and all the amazing souls at @Catholic_Truth for this very important and informative content.
God bless you and your ministry.
Amen.
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Thank you for watching! And you are most welcome. God bless you
@@CatholicTruthOfficial ❤️
"Volcanic" is a good term to use for former Catholics who are now very anti-Catholic. God bless you in your work.
Child abuse supporter is a good word to use for Catholics.
Very true. I would also say it becomes volcanic in very subtle gestures as well, even when those gestures are truly meant in the spirit. I was a Protestant until just recently, having only just been confirmed 4 weeks ago, and I was amazed at the reaction I received when I wished "Pax Christi" to a friend of mine who lost their cat, and I received a response of "I will agree with you on the Christ part of what you said."
I think where former Catholics have anger is with the structure of the Church, and perceived rigidity, and I understand where that might come from. Sola fide and sola scriptura are easy to subscribe to because of their simplicity. But for me, when I read the Didache, Ingnatius' seventh epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Irenaeus' "Against Heresies," Augustine's work, and numerous other ancient texts which I found out were extensions of Old Testament Books, there was no doubt I had found the faith I had spent over 45 years of my life trying to find. It is awkward sometimes how often I have to implore Christ grant me His mercy and patience when people I love and am close to continually attack the Church. But for me, to use a metaphor it is comparable to "seeing the Matrix" with regard to discovering the truth of the Church due to negative spiritual interactions, and then NOT being able to EVER go back to what I previously believed. Not everyone has "seen" the Matrix, so I try my best to be patient with them and know that they are still seeking for God, they only lack in firsthand experience that would irrefutibly confirm the truth for them.
God Bless.
@@IowerthLord Some of us resent priests collecting our money and molesting our chilldren.
@@IowerthLord welcome home. Thank you for your testimony. God bless.
@@IowerthLordThat was a very well assembled thought and put forth with a decisive elegance. I made me mindful of an analogy I use when trying out answer questions for non-Catholics who often ask; I tell them that sharing the academic “Why’s” is easy but helping people to see it is like pointing out an airplane in the sky to them which I clearly see on the point of my finger but they can’t see off the point of my finger. People must look for the nudging of the Holy Spirit as they navigate through learning. No one can tell them the wonder of God’s work. They have to learn to see it. I know I never found any of that while I explored the Prot assemblies, it was lost in the legalisms of the particular branches I was looking at… …and there were a lot of them. They have our Bible, or at least most of it, and I know what that book says and when someone is telling me something different than what it says while telling me what it says as if I am not smart enough to know what it says, well, that doesn’t work because I am far to literate to be “told” what I’m reading means something different than what it says. Perhaps I lost the Prot version of magic in that but, I don’t think there can be ‘magic’ (if you will) expected to emerge from man’s concoctions of interpretations that are not interlocked with what the words say. I heard “sola scriptura” everywhere I listened to and the Scitpures themselves tell us that everything is not in there; I heard “faith alone” from every set of lips and the only place that faith and alone appear together is after the word “not”. Then I would hear, “Ohh, for heavens sake, that doesn’t mean that”… …wha…th… who the…??? I mean, let’s at least talk about it, but, nope. After the scoffing was gone, crickets. It goes on and on, the dates the Church Jesus started ended … even though Jesus told us the gates of hell would not prevail… Baptists telling me they were the only true Church, then Grace Church people saying the same thing, followed by other places friends invited me to come with them to. Then some won’t let you leave until you get a ‘prayer partner’ new best friend who stands behind you throughout the whole service to escort you to go through their indoctrination program as if I was joining the Navy. It became hard to go to church when I was exploring the Prot Churches. I finally, after many, many years had to buck-up and take another look at the one I was “protesting” against. Anyway, That was a fun read you put out there. Thanks.
Every time I hear “former Catholic,” I think “poorly catechized.”
Exactly right! They didn't know the faith. That's why it was so easy for them to be led astray. Mr. Turek is demonstrating just that.
That's a BIG old excuse you've concocted in your own mind, so you wont ever look Truthfully and Objectively fully at what you are calling Worshipping GOD and Christ Jesus, instead of some guy named Pope who you will never ever know, he's just some guy saying's he's God, dolled up in white clothes, on Earth. Biggest pile of Hoohy ever, again concocted in the Roman Italian Vatican, since the World began. You have never read Revelation because the faith tells us parishioners never read it because GOD Himself names the Roman Vatican as the World Anti-Christ and downfall of the entire Globe. Catholicism is going into the Lake of Fire where its earned it's horrible death. AND....there will absolutely NOTHING of the Roman Catholicism passing on into Heaven. NOT 1 THING. Can't Wait. Amen, Please Jesus Come!
Here in Brazil, people are very poor catechized (of course I didn't interview every single Brazilina, my opinion is based on people I know). There's some catholics here that says that they (us) worship images. They are bad educated catholics. It's pretty said.
@@rsmith5244 they didn’t know God and neither do you to remain and be sold such foolishness.
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc okay, thank you for your words.
The formation of the canon truly illustrates the importance of church councils (in addition to the charism of infallibility they possess) in formulating correct doctrine and practice. Were this not the case, we would simply have no Bible.
Yes! Also for those not members of the Church who criticize the Councils, or use them to discredit the Authority of the Church - holding Councils is meant to end disputes, that is their function. It is not the Church saying "We believe this way from now on, we just didn't know it before." It does not mean that the Truth was absent prior to the Council being organized. Cain knew he had committed wrong when he slew Abel, even though "Thou shalt not kill" was put into the 10 Commandments. Nicaea, Hippo, Carthage, and Florence mentioned the Deuteroncanonicals long before Trent. Trent simply put an end to the debate.
Most of them were not properly catechized so they didn’t understand it at all.
“I grew up Catholic” means nothing in apologetics.
I went to Catholic school, or I was an altar boy, also means the same thing. Usually nothing.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialso now there is a baptism of desire. Lol. I’m going to see how much more you all ADD and make up different words and excuses to explain this farce further 😂😂😂😂
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Don't forget _implicit baptism of desire._ If you want to argue against Catholicism, do it well. We'll wait for you.
Awesome post. Kudos.
❤❤❤❤❤Thank you so much.
You are so welcome!
@@CatholicTruthOfficialthe New Testament church were in Jerusalem and not in Rome or Europe. Bloody Mary never stepped foot in Jerusalem and would never had tolerated a Jew let alone a Jewish couple in her presence. Y’all believe anything especially this awful history of this farce religion
The Saints pray for you like a friend prays for you
Jerome has a fantastic rebuttal on someone (Vigilatiius) who doubted prayers to the saints and veneration of saints and relics.
"Should Vigilatiius the live dog be greater than Paul the Dead Lion - St Jerome "Against Vigilatiius
These Saints are dead and the Bible says are now silent.
Jesus is alive. Pray to him alone instead.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072No, they are not.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Jesus corrects that misunderstanding in Matthew 22; God is the God of the living, not the dead--and further, Paul says in Romans 6 that we are dead in sin but alive in Christ. Luke 15:7, Jesus says that when one repents there is a great rejoicing in heaven. Hebrews 12 says that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Revelation 8 says that the saints present our prayers before the altar in heaven.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Hebrews 12:1 begins by referring to all the great saints and figures of Hebrews 11 as a Great Cloud of Witnesses observing the faithful. The dead who are with God are purer than us, as nothing impure can enter heaven (Rev 21:27), and James 5:16 informs us that "the prayers of the righteous avail much".
So if those holy dead who are witnessing us ARE holy, and their prayers avail much, for what purpose would they not offer their spiritual pleas on our behalf up to God? Well, Revelation 8:4 states that these very prayers ARE delivered to God like a pleasing incense offering, carried by angels to His holy throne.
it's so tiring the amount of disingenuous straw men fallacies "apologists" make when they say something about the CC. That was the MAJOR thing that popped out when i researched the CC and ended up converting ... every single preacher and teacher was giving their own view of what the CC teaches, and not telling what the CC actually teaches from its own source material. It just drove me insane
The crowds murmured about Jesus! They looked Him in His Divine Eyes and walked away. The world loves the lie, as it pleases the self. And Protestantism is founded on the human ego. The bible is valuable only to the degree to which it supports the self. It has become an ersatz Christ.
I'd like to know why you believe these things should be taught to christians:
1. Treasury of merits
2. Supererogation
3. Selling indulgences
4. Bow down and serving graven images and statues
5. prayers addressed to creatures
6. Exclusion of God's 2nd command (in relation to the number 4)
7. Infallibility of the pope
8. dulia, hyperdulia, latria
9. immaculate conception
10. purgatory
@@ozaredam 1. Since you are apparently no scholar, which site did you copy and paste these "objections" from"? 2. TAKE NOTE!!! Since it is YOUR theology which has departed from Christian orthodoxy, please justify YOUR departure. Clear and unarguable chapter and verse ONLY (your rules).
The Eastern Orthodox are just as worse. Even some priests and deacons will not even be bothered to read even the Catechism. They consider themselves just right about everything. Many Orthodox, even rural folk from the mid-West seem to have sleeping difficulties because of filioque. And don't even mention the Sack of Constantinople in 1204! '1204 gets me so bugged man, I am really bugged now ya hear!' says the Orthodox convert in the South who up until recently didn't know where in Europe this city is located. 'It doesn't matter, the West is to be blamed!' Some Orthodox even goes so far as to blame the filioque for the spiritual decline of the entire Western civilization.
@@ozaredam If you pray in secret behind closed doors, does your Father who sees in secret REPAY you? Think carefully.
If I recall correctly, the book of Enoch was quoted by St. Jude, and Enoch ended up not becoming canon. So just because Jesus or an Apostle did or did not quote a particular book, did not mean that that book would be canon.
Some people think that just because they had been Catholic for their whole life, they became church fathers and are qualified to interpret the Bible and Traditions correctly😂.
They have Publisher's Clearinghouse bibles: "You may already be a POPE!!!"
@@danieljoseph2617 Not at all. "He who hears you hears Me" JESUS to the Apostles in Luke 10:16. Love scripture? Sure you do! Here's some: PETER as Shepherd and first Pope: Scriptural evidence and the structure of the primitive Church make it absolutely undeniable that Christ chose Peter and that Peter was first among the twelve. Depending on the translation, Peter is mentioned 195 times. The closest is John (the beloved disciple) at just 29 times. The rest even less. Consider:
Jesus entered Peter’s house. (Matthew 8:14)
Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter. (John 1:42)
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven. (Matthew 16:19)
Jesus declared Peter to the the rock. (Matthew 16:18)
Jesus made Peter shepherd. (John 21:15-17)
Jesus told Peter to strengthen his brothers (Luke 22:32)
Jesus paid the Temple tax only for Himself and Peter. (Matthew 17:24-27)
Jesus preached from Peter's boat. (Luke 5:3)
Jesus told Peter to "Follow me" (John 21:19)
Jesus called only Peter to walk on the water. (Matthew 14:29)
Jesus predicted Peter's three-fold denial. (Matthew 26:34)
Jesus predicted Peter's repentance and three-fold affirmation. (Luke 22:32)
Jesus prophesied only Peter's manner of death. (John 21:18-19)
Jesus taught Peter forgiveness 70 times 7 times. (Matthew 18:21-22)
Jesus spoke only to Peter at Gethsemane. (Mark 14:37)
Peter is always listed first of the Apostles. (Matthew 10:2, Luke 6:14, Acts 1:13)
Peter was first to confess Jesus as Messiah. (Matthew 16:18)
Peter alone spoke at the Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke 9:33)
Peter pointed out the withered fig tree. (Mark 11:21)
Peter entered the tomb first - John deferring to him. (Luke 24:12, John 20:3-4))
Peter decided the manner of replacing Judas. (Acts 1:15-26)
Peter spoke for the eleven at the Pentecost. (Acts 2:14-36)
Peter was released from prison by the Angel. (Acts 12:6-11)
Peter spoke for the eleven before the Council. (Acts 4:8-12)
Peter held sin bound to Ananias and Sapphira. (Acts 5:1-10)
Peter's shadow healed. (Acts 5:15)
Peter declared the sin of Simony. (Acts 8:18-23)
Peter revealed the salvation of Gentiles to the Church at Jerusalem. (Acts 11:1-18)
The Angel told Cornelius to call for Peter. (Acts 10:3-8)
The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles as Peter preached to them. (Acts 10:44-45)
At the empty tomb, the Angel said, "Go tell His disciples, and Peter." (Mark 16:7)
Mary Magdalene ran to tell Peter and the beloved disciple. (John 20:2)
The vision of all foods being clean was given only to Peter. (Acts 10:9-16)
Peter's words silence the first council in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:7-12)
Paul went to Peter to affirm that his Gospel was not in vain. (Galatians 1:18)
Peter was given the revelation of the end of the world. (2 Peter 3:10-11)
Peter taught that Paul’s words were easily twisted. (2 Peter 3:16)
Peter taught that baptism now saves you (1 Peter 3:21)
And many other references. One may deny that Peter was primary, but it takes an amazing ignorance or denial of scripture and history to do so.
OH!!! Wait!!! Paul!!! 2 Corinthians 2:10
Authorized (King James) Version
"To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST;"
So is Paul also in hell?
@@danieljoseph2617 One, the Pope doesn't "pretend" to be Jesus on Earth, you have zero clue what the victor of Christ title means,
Two, who are you to decide someone's eternal destiny? You're not God.
@@danieljoseph2617 and three, the Catholic Church compiled the New Testament canon you have, dude. Though many councils that occurred before Protesants were even a thing.
@@danieljoseph2617 that is not what the Catholic Church believes. You are in grave error. Try again, bub.
Well done, Bryan. I hope Frank seeks to clarify his errors by discussion with you. God bless you
Regarding intercession:
Whether we are alive on earth or alive in Christ in heaven we are all members of One Body.
The church is alive!!
So of course we can intercede as members of that one body, in Christ.
Amen!
They think we are asking Mary to ask Jesus for the forgiveness of our sin.
Non-catholic and catholic people, please pray this every day.
"Show me your ways, Lord,
teach me your paths.
Guide me in your truth and teach me,
for you are God my Savior," - Psalm 25:4-5
I said I am very strong now (spiritually) ..... True ... but only in other areas but NOT in all areas. There are still areas in me where I am still coward, weak, fearful and broken. Yes, I still have cowardice, sinful fear and shame in some areas. But with God's help, I keep improving. My weaknesses and sins keep diminishing day by day by God's grace. Praise God!
@@marietav7342 Sister God bless you, God Resists the Proud but gives Grace to the Humble. The Lord told me Sister that upon Death our Will is *FIXED.* Do you believe this Sister?
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon:
where there is doubt, faith ;
where there is despair, hope
where there is darkness, light
where there is sadness, joy
O divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life
@@bibleman8010 WOW your Prayer is so beautiful.
@@Darth_Vader258 ST Frances Prayer👍👍
I used to listen to Frank Turek and Sean McDowell. Well they seem to be a good guys, but in the end, but the way they're teaching are purely base on His-story, not facts..
Same overall they are more charitable than other Protestant speakers
So excited to see this! Frank Turek is very influential in evangelical circles, but, yes, he's misinformed on some things. Would love to see his reversion someday.
The “one mediator only” trope is so thoroughly debunked by Jesus Himself when the paralytic is brought to Him by his friends … and is healed because of *their* faith, *their* mediation. It is literally their intercession that motivates Jesus.
The question is how do we know the new testament books are scripture. It is not about whether they are list of authoritative books or authoritative list of books.
How do we know they are authoritative?
Mr Tureks comment really seems bizarre coming from a religion based on Sola Scriptura.
Kind of like when Luther went around saying Sola Scriptura but then just tried to remove several books from the New Testament and several from Deuteronomical books.
A lot of this isn't adding up for me.
The example of the thief on the Cross is a VERY poor example which is quite shocking how poor it is.
The thief was on death's door therefore had no time to do any works of salvation. All he had was faith which came at the last moment of his life. The Mercy of Christ is demonstrated in this situation.
HIs work was his testimony🤔🤔
He Spoke up for Jesus in front of men.. unable to be baptised on the cross he had what the church calls Baptism of Desire.. which is when it is physically impossible for someone to be baptised. But by defending Jesus on the Cross. Jesus keeps his word..
“Therefore everyone who confesses me before men, I will also confess them in front of my Father” Matthew 10:32…
Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah. And had a great big Baptism Party
@@bibleman8010 Jesus said he and the Father are one. Do you believe that to be true or not?
@@Bobby-xr4bo why are you asking him that?
He is correct.
St. Dismas didn’t enter heaven before Jesus ascended into heaven and opened the gates of heaven.
When Christ told St. Dismas he would be in paradise with Christ today He wasn’t speaking of heaven - Christ was speaking of Abraham’s bosom where Christ descended in to hell for 3days after He died to preach to the righteous
Title says Fred, not Frank.
Sorry don't mean to be pedantic.
Thank you. I'm not sure why that was put, so thanks for pointing it out.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial are you a Biden voter?
I love Frank Turek, he is very funny and I use many of his arguments against atheists.
I've learned a good amount of apologetics from Frank, and I'm grateful for that. He does, however, deny what his own intellect, let alone the Spirit, is telling him. He knows the answer, he just denies, and for what reason, we'll never know. Let's just pray God bring him back to the Apostolic Church, like He has so many of us who once left!
So you want him back in the church but you seem to think as a believer he left the church?
The church is the body of Christ on earth it does not have a name , it is not located in Europe , it does not build cathedrals . Eph 2:19-22 As a believer in Christ you are in the body of Christ .
@@brucewmclaughlin9072@brucewmclaughlin9072 Thank you, Brother, for showing light to the blind. It's the rare catholic who is self-aware enough to question their beliefs. they remind me of muslims
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 If a Shepherd has 100 sheep, and one of them wanders, will He not leave behind the 99 and go and find the 1?
Did you even watch the video?
@@DarkKnightofThrones you asking a ex Catholic what if they watched the video ? Yes I know the standard Catholic answer . I’m not interested so much to what Catholics say as to how they live . US Catholic sadly live more like Joe Biden then Mother Theresa. Now I do enjoy some honest thinking Catholics in life and social media but they are few and far between.
Thank you Bryan... Even as a catholic this video also taught me so much more about what the Bible actually teaches especially 1:Timothy:2❤.
are you aware of all the catholic teachings like these:
1. Treasury of merits
2. Supererogation
3. Selling indulgences
4. Bow down and serving graven images and statues
5. prayers addressed to creatures
6. Infallibility of the pope
7. dulia, hyperdulia, latria
8. immaculate conception
9. purgatory
@@ozaredam yes I am well aware of the anticatholic lies thank you. Those lies are 1500 years old and wornout...If ANY of it were true the Catholic church would not still be standing.
@@ozaredam Yes, well aware of all the 1500 year old anti-catholic propaganda thanks. If any of it were true, do you think the Catholic church would still be standing?
@@ozaredam Yes, well aware of all the anti-catholic propaganda thanks. If any of it were true, do you think the Catholic church would still be standing?
@@JiII_S can you just provide a substantial answer on the points i stated instead? There's no propaganda in my question if youI have read it properly. I'm a catholic (universal christian) myself but not a roman catholic
Acts 8:14-17 explains how there were those in Samaria who had received the Word of God and were baptized in water, yet they waited for the apostles to come lay hands on them to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. If there is no laity, and all people are part of the priesthood, why would they need to wait for the apostles to lay hands on them to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Why didn't Philip do it, or why didn't they just lay hands on each other or just pray for it? Could it be that the apostles had something from God that not all members of the Church had?
That is talking about the sacrament of confirmation. Can we still do that today. We received the Holy Spirit at baptism but then we received the fullness of the spirit including the gifts of the Spirit through the laying on of hands at confirmation. That's been done for 2000 years.
They couldn't lay hands on each other because they didn't have the authority.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialLIES. GOD DOES the baptism of the Holy Ghost and YES they can still lay hands on people in church and they can receive the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the spirit to God give utterance.
Water baptism do not give anyone the Holyghost EVER
they are two separate Baptism. You all don’t let God baptize you. God does this supernaturally which you all Don’t get because of your false catholic doctrine and LIES OF DECEPTION by Satan.
God does this supernaturally. It doesn’t take or need a confirmation. John the Baptist specifically said HE WILL BAPTIZE you with the Holy Ghost
Man can not BAPTIZE anyone with the Holy Ghost and it doesn’t consist of water.
He is seriously deceived and sold delusions. It’s another Christ and Gospel. Water baptism as a babe being sprinkled does not give one the HOLY GHOST. ITS a supernatural baptism PERFORMED by GOD ONLY THROUGH Jesus Christ. Deception is real. Please get off this channel
1455 Gutenberg Bible photocopies can be seen online on the Morgan museum website. It’s OT has the dueterocannon books.
Exactly. Well said.
Off course.. it’s Catholic
@@Bobby-xr4bo KJV 1611 has the 7 books
@@johnchrysostom330 yes I know.. it wasn’t until the 19th century that the finally removed the deuterocanonical books.. to save money on printing..
@@johnchrysostom330 it has yes.. and continued to have them until the 1800s when they were removed altogether, believe it or not, to save on manufacturing costs of printing Bibles..
so they were removed because the Protestant Church thought saving money was more important than keeping the Holy Bible intact..
I’m glad and greatful that you have taken up the issues of Protestant mis interpretation of what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Many times Protestant people make me laugh at how they’re misguided. So much hate on their part.
I saw this interview with Frank before.
I knew when I heard the well constructed question that he couldn't admit the books of the bible were authoritative.
He tried to bluff and made a cathostrophic blunder by declaring that the seven books were "old testament".
He lost any standing he may have had with this reply.
Oh~ 💡 Thank you. Informative. 🙏🙌🕊
Frank is a nice guy, he actually put Jimmy Akin in his show. But, Frank holds many fallacies about Catholicism. For some reason he thinks Jesus had a brother, and he thinks we worship Saints , Mary, and the Pope. Holds a strange cartoonish beliefs. But he's not a mean nasty guy, he's a good guy.
Yeah... It's hard to believe he was a Catholic.
Mormons also think Jesus had a brother.
Frank is a gentleman indeed. But he is not inspired like mother Teresa or Billy Graham
@@junacebedo888 Billy Graham did not believe in the Eucharist. How is that inspired?
@@fantasia55eucharist is a Catholic belief. Billy Graham is not a Catholic. Many protestants hated Graham for not hating the Catholic church. Graham did not budge
I'm sure you've seen it, but he had a great discussion with Jimmy Akin last week on his podcast.
Where Jimmy Akin told him that a bad Catholic who leaves the church blames the church for his own lack of understanding.😂
We didn't see it. How did it go?
JA was always a couple steps ahead, but no budging from FT.
@@Kitiwake i saw that, that was the first time I have seen Frank appeal to personal experience, he didn't leave the church because it wasn't true, he left because it wasn't his flavor
It was a good conversation. Frank listened seriously to Jimmy
What do they think about Jude quoting 1 Enoch?
Glad you addressed this!
Dr Turek is my favourite Protestant apologist and speaker. and yes, he is very respectful and charitable to Catholics.
Jesus built a church, a community of saints, and praying for each other is a beautiful thing. Why do Protestants hate that?
We pray for each other Not to each other
Big difference and no born again believer hate anyone. Y’all need to get out of catholism and their lies for real.
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc
Saints pray for us when we pray for their intercession. See ? We can't call them on the phone to pray for us. You don't understand what we even believe..
Is there a book you would recommend to learn and study the church fathers? Thank you so much I appreciate your videos 🙏 I’m trying to be more of a CATHOLIC than catholic
Good for you!! Sure. For a 1-volume work: "The Father's Know Best" By Jimmy Akin. (A good overview).
More in depth, a 3-volume set where you can read their writings for yourself at some length:
"The Faith of the Early Fathers" by William Jugens.
Hope that helps.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial thank you for the information, I’ll check those out!
Can you please debunk Allie Beth Stuckey.
Send us a link please. Bryan@catholictruth.org
I don't know if we will be able to right now since we are on a fundraising campaign, but we can take a look. If you know anyone who can make a good donation, it would be easier and quicker to do. God bless.
Actually Baptism had already been instituted , Jesus was baptised ,and his apostles were baptising as stated in John 3:25 ..but the thief on the cross argument is an argument from silencd, we know for sure that thief knew of Jesus teaching for they both were Judea but we don't know if the thief was not baptized from his disciples he could have been baptized yet reverted back to sin.
that was Johns Baptism of repentance
The Great Commission
Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world."
Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to
Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen...
@bibleman8010 yes correct, but my main point is the argument from protestants stating that faith alone saved the thief on the cross is an argument from silence.
@@bibleman8010 the poster is correct in that the Protestants wrongly use St. Dismas (the good thief) as proof against baptism.
For them to use St. Dismas they have to read into Scripture and add to it while using the argument from silence because no where are we told if he was baptised or not but we can deduce from Scripture that he most likely was a fallen away disciple of Christ because he knew that Christ was the Lord and was going to His Kingdom after He died (Luke 23:42) Something Jesus only taught and made clear to His disciples (Matt. 13:10-16; Mark 4:10-12)
We would also use the fact that until Jesus died, was buried, rose again and ascended into heaven all Jews were still under the old covenant and baptism wasn’t instituted as part of the new covenant yet - but that there was John the baptists baptism of repentance which even Jesus and His disciples utilised (John 3:22).
It is also an example where they verse mine hoping to build their whole belief system off while ignoring the rest of the Bible - so we should be pointing out that special cases can happen because God can chose that but we shouldn’t commit the sin of presumption that God will apply that special circumstance to us.
They wouldn’t claim either their ‘faith alone’ belief that the faith of their friend is enough to save them yet we see in (Mark 2:5) this is exactly what causes Jesus to forgive a man - his friends faith.
So we should hold them to the standard they try to claim through verse mining by pointing out Scripture elsewhere asking if they are consistent or a hypocrite.
Three things about the thief on the cross,first- he regreted his doings,two- he turned to Jesus for help,three- he was already being punish for his sins by hanging there in pain on the cross. The one more thing I would say is that this was a very special,one and only moment in the history of Jesus being there right before His death on the Cross, so I am sure He could,He wanted and He did such a favour of taking to heaven with Him anyone He decided to take.
The council of Carthage in 397 was not the final canon as he says. It wasn’t until the council of Trent that the current canon was finalized and called authoritative and the council then issued an anathema to dissenters. Prior to that it wasn’t just Jerome that disagreed that the apocryphal books were not part of the canon. Between 397 and 1546 there were many popes, bishops, cardinals, priests that also didn’t agree the apocryphal books were part of the canon. Even at the council of Trent there were a significant number that didn’t agree wit the inclusion of the apocryphal books into the canon. Lastly, note that just because Jerome translated the books, that didn’t mean he agreed they were part of the canon.
Nope, Carthage was the authoritative ecumenical Council that canonized the Bible which is why the pope officially ratified it afterward with excommunications and ananathamas for anyone who didn't except it. We have the Council writings and don't need to guess. Some may have personally not agreed in their subjective fallibility but they all accepted the teaching of the church.
I was lectured to by a Protestant that the Septuagint is “the Bible of the first Christians” I said wow that’s awesome. I agree. Did you know that the Septuagint contained the 7 Deuterocanonical books ??? Why is the Protestant canon different than the one used by the first Christians? 😂
When protetestanz say KJV is the only true bibe. The saying don't add or take way from the Bible.
I then ask, which version of KJV
The confuse look on their face and then they start making excuses why it was edited
"Thief had never read the bible" almost fell on my seat.
He was a huge exception and catholic Christ is another person altogether
As a former Protestant who used to argue against the "Apocrypha" as scripture and part of the canon of the Bible, I have reversed my position after doing more research on the topic. The more that I would try to argue against it and dug deeper, the more that I found the Protestant position is just wrong and in most cases reveals just a very surface understanding of the topic. Most Protestants think 1 of 2 things (or both) in regard to the Deuterocanon. 1) The Catholics "added the books" and/or 2) They follow the "Jewish Scriptures" and think that they had their own canon at the time of Jesus Christ.
The argument about "not an infallible list", is just a weak attempt at a work around to avoid admitting the authority of the Church. If you just say that its an infallible list then you don't have to admit that the Church had the authority to say which books were and weren't scripture.
Is there one book that you could recommend on this topic?
The guy questioning him seems to be a knowledgeable catholic or Protestant.
And Mr. Turek cut him off quickly instead of answering his question.
He's Catholic. His channel is KnowyourfaithYt
If he takes Jerome infallible then he must accept the books which Jerome translated and are not part of protestant list of books.
Amen...awesome video
You should debate Frank Turek. I was believing him until now.
We would be open to that.
All I can say my Catholic brother Brian is that denominations of Christianity is one of Jesus prophesies in the gospel,for there’s a place in the gospels where Jesus warns his Apostles not to be led astray for Jesus tells them I say to you do not be led astray for I say to you that many shall come teaching in my name saying I am he the Christ and shall teach many in my name BINGO now isn’t this is what’s happening for such a long long time from far back for this is what Jesus is revealing to his Apostles so that they be prepared and ready to confront these false teachers and teachings not just at Pentecost but onwards throughout time yeah.Thank you my catholic brother Brian for another splendid video amen 🙏
Something I noticed about the thief on the cross is he did 3 things. First is repentance (fear of God), second is he seemed to acknowledge Jesus’s sacrifice, third is he asked to be remembered. The other thief wasn’t saved by grace because he did none of these, yet did dare ask to be saved.
He did Confess Jesus in front of men..
@@Bobby-xr4bo As well!
Best example of a reference to the deuterocanon in the NT is in Hebrews 11 where it gives the examples of martyrs who gave their lives in hope of the resurrection, and there is only one such example in the OT and it’s in 2 Maccabees
Sure, all the Jewish prophets retired to Florida.
Not just that but in the NT we see Jesus was in Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of dedication (John 10:22)
The feast of dedication is hannukah - no where in the Protestant OT books is there any mention of the feast of dedication because the only book it is mentioned in is Maccabees
So they don’t realise that when they try to discredit the deuterocanon they are making the claim Jesus celebrated a non Jewish feast from books Catholics added to the canon that Jews supposedly rejected - meaning Jews celebrate a feast that is no where in their books…
Was that some sort of rebuttal?
Hebrews 11:35, there are 3 OT examples, from 1 Kings 17 where Elijah saved a mistress’s son, 2 Kings 4 where Elisha does the same thing, but these are in view in the first half of the verse. 2 Maccabees 7 is where all a woman’s sons are tortured and martyred in view of the bodily resurrection. This latter example is more indicated with the second half of the verse saying “some were tortured and would not accept deliverance in order to obtain a better resurrection.” The first two examples don’t fit with that part. There is no example of this martyrdom in the Protestant OT, it only comes from Maccabees.
Is the Catholic church in the book of Acts?
Yes. Is your denomination in the book of acts?
Yes acts 9:31 in the Original Greek calls the church the Catholic Church.
Thanks for going after some "big guns".
Frank Turek is very intelligent, but like anyone with a popular platform, can be broadcast on the internet as definitive and perceived as infallible.
I pray that you and your team become a new standard of apologetics and truth very soon. God bless you Bryan 😇
Jerome is not just one more person. He was the translator and no one was more familiar with the character of inspired scripture
Still, he is not the church. And he rightly submitted to the church.
As he acknowledged, Jerome's opinion of the canon was meaningless. Not just that, he was wrong, excluding books because they were only in Greek. It turns out that the Holy Spirit knew what he was doing, because Hebrew originals were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
No one church father is above the church, that is the protestant way, not Catholic
He ignored the fact the Jews took out some of their books for being too Christian.
@@LauraBeeDannon very true. They stopped using the Septuagint because of that too
“Former catholic” translation “I like the do whatever you feel like nature of Protestantism”
Sad but true. In a critique of Protestantism, I said this:
”The individual interpretation inherent in Protestantism can logically result in each believer forming their own conception of Jesus, based on their personal beliefs. This could potentially lead to the existence of thousands of different versions of Jesus. However, it's important to remember that Jesus imparted one set of true teachings, as there is only one truth. When each believer creates their own version of Jesus based on their comfort level, it could possibly lead to a form of Christianity that diverges significantly from what Jesus originally intended and into heresy. This highlights the importance of adhering to the original teachings and understanding their true essence."
@@josh39684Amen. I even add in and how can 2 allegedly Holy Spirit filled people be led to 2 different truths when that would contradict the solar scriptura they are so adamant on.
@@TheZealotsDen very good point. I might add that.
Here's a quote that I like:
"Since it is fluctuating, it is impossible simply and all at once to make known its nature, for every one of them hands it down just as his inclination prompts. Thus there are as many schemes of redemption as there are teachers of these mystical opinions. And when we come to refute them, we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith.”
In Protestantism’s point of view, they are constrained by what the Bible say.
In their view, it is the Catholic that has been adding extra. - eg. In confession, the Priest would say “For the forgiveness and penance of your sins, pray 10 Hail Marys. Indulgences. Praying repeating prayer - Rosary, Scapulary, Purgatory, Kneeling and praying to Idols of Saints and Mary, and so much more.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072oh my. You are pulling at strawmen.
I really hate it when protestants use 1 Timothy 2:5 but it's even more hilarious that it displays thier inability to finish the sentence and read what came before and after. As even in the same sentence they quote it literally provides us with the context to interpret mediator, which is the one who paid the ransom for sins. It's also in this chapter where it also goes onto say how after being born in Christ we've been set apart to do good works which God has created for us, but apparently good works don't mean anything 🙄
This is a reason I didn't become Protestant. They have this bizarre tendency to cherry pick single verses and radicalize their meaning without any regards to what an entire chapter is saying or how their interpretation unknowingly contradicts another section in scripture. They also have a habit of giving the impression of thinking they know exactly what Catholics believe, teach and practice (as well as other churches and even other religions) while disappointingly demonstrating they actually do not. I'm not sure what it is about Protestant culture that makes them do this but it drives me crazy.
@@jaranarm true, not only that but they're so divorced from the Jewish connection of faith that they don't realise the significance of aspects of the faith like praying for the dead, communion of saints, High Priest, Ark of the covenant etc etc. Whereas Catholic church and to an extent the orthodox who have that lineage to the apostles can say this was taught and accepted by the early church as this particular belief was strongly held by the Jewish faith and here's how it fits into the new covenant i.e. Christ's sacrifice. It's why I love Dr Brant Pitre's work on "the Jewish roots of..." As he shows what the Jews professed and believed in their sources like the Talmud that ties into the keys of the kingdom and Eliakhim (think that's the correct spelling) in Isiah and how the keys would be entrusted to the new office upon Peter i.e. the Papacy. It constantly blows my mind how much isn't known to protestants, like the Ante-Nicene Father's writings which even had an account by St John the apostle on the assumption of Mary. Reading these things completely destroys the argument that Constantine "paganized" Christianity despite such writings taking place long before he came to the scene.
@@Sicarius089 Thanks. I will have to read that.
The thief was with Jesus in prison. So why wouldn't say repent for the Kingdom is at hand. In jail, people are baptized, tx Brian so much info.
All of the assertions made by Frank here about the thief...none of them are in the bible.😅
@@Kitiwakethey don’t believe in. The same BINDER they supposedly MADE lol. No Holy Ghost. Blind mice chasing their Popes
Hey! Quick question regarding the salvation of the thief on the cross. You mentioned that baptism hadn’t started yet, but John the Baptist baptized Jesus. Not sure how you meant that baptism hadn’t started yet. I believe we can safely assume that the thief was never baptized by John or he wouldn’t have committed a crime. Thanks!
that was Johns Baptism of repentance ....John the Baptist baptized Jesus.
The Great Commission
Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world."
Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to
Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen...
Nope John the baptists baptism was a baptism of repentance not baptism of salvation.
We can’t claim St. Dismas was baptised or not because Scripture doesn’t elude to it.
But what we can defer from Scripture is that St. Dismas (the good thief) most likely was a fallen away disciple because he knew that Christ was the Lord and was going to His Kingdom after He died (Luke 23:42) Something Jesus only taught and made clear to His disciples (Matt. 13:10-16; Mark 4:10-12)
I would love for you to do a video on why the Coptic church is heretical and not the true one, holy, catholic and apostolic church for my Coptic friend who refuses to convert and accept Catholicism.
Question, does the Knox translation of the New Testament have the Gospel message that has sufficiency to lead a sinner to Salvation? A simple yes or no would be be nice !
Any translation could possibly lead a sinner to Salvation if they properly understand it and interpret it. This is why we need the church. Most Protestants read scripture but get the gospel message wrong or incomplete.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Acts 10 has very simple Gospel message, totally uncomplicated, which resulted in salvation to all those who heard and believed. Where they not truly believers, members of the body of Christ at that point? Or was Peter wrong when he acknowledged they received the same Holy Spirit as all the Apostles?
Love your channel
Doesn't 2 Timothy 3:16 say that the Bible is inspired by God ?
It says Scripture is inspired by God, yes. Which we agree. But it doesn't Scripture alone is inspired by God. It also says Christ established an authoritative Church that west listen to.
Also,.2 Tim 3:16-17 is talking about the Old Testament. The New Testament was not even written or finished yet.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial2 Timothy 3:16-17 is talking About NOW. YOU ARE LOST and have no idea what you are talking to. It is saying it is ENOUGH and we have what we need to get to heaven with the KJV BIBLE
PRAY AND ASK God to heal us. We are born again with the holiness and the word of Christ is enough. We don’t know Luther nor CATHOLISM and they do not own salvation nor can say WHO gets the Holy Ghost or WHOM God choses.
This false demonic religion you all think is The truth are deceived and ignorant.
Yes. Please ignore this man. He doesn’t believe in Christ and what Jesus and the apostles taught. MARK AND AVOID because HE loves the lies of another DOCTRINE
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLYGHOST
Trust 100% of the bible , Dont listen to what men say
Yes, and who did God inspire to write the books of Timothy? Paul, a Bishop of the Church Jesus started, which is the Catholic Church. If the NT is infallible, so were the men who wrote the NT and they were Catholics, cause Jesus started the Catholic Church. If the Church is not infallible, the NT that the Catholic Church wrote is also not infallible.
The moderator complying address half of what Frank said and ignore the second part.
Frank is saying that the books decide what goes in the cannon not the church or the pope.
That's what we said, and he is wrong about it. The books do _not_ decide. At best, they only can decide in part, but not fully. That's our point.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial that is what Catholics believe, but if a book or books goes against the the previous scriptures then it is not inspired by God. We use the previous books to determine if a book is inspired by God.
Just shows you the protestant Foundation already started off on shaking ground with Luther. I'm going to convert to Catholicism soon from Protestantism, because Protestantism is way off and preach so much lies and heresy.
Glad to hear it!! ^___^
Go ahead you don’t have the Holyghost to discern that this RELIGION IS from Satan anyway. Nobody will miss you!
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tcWhat does your master give you that God cannot?
Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, ( which also Is False)and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church.😜😜
James White seems very kind. many Protestants are kind who cares if there liars he says he still goes to Catholic mass he takes his mother but he never hears the gospel of grace
Huh?
@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 what ?
@@TheJackjack you are making zero sense
@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807what about it makes no sense to you what is my statement make zero sense to you
@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807he doesn't consider you a Christian if you're Catholic does that make sense
In reference to letting "the dead intercede for you".
As Christians we don't talk to the dead or ask the dead anything
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?
Isaiah 8:19
and you can't say those people who dead are not dead, in the context.
"the dead in Christ" - believers who are dead, are dead
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a [d]shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
its as simple as that, pls don't talk to the dead, i don't talk like i have all the accurate doctrines, but we correct and reproof each other as iron sharpens iron
Jesus literally talks to two dead people at the Transfiguration. Necromancy and having a relationship with a saint (saints) are two different things.
@cfm8090 nice question bro. I will put another question for you : Why was Jesus transfigured when talking with them? "...Being witnessed by the law and prophets... " Roms 3:21. These people were not interceding for Jesus and Jesus wasn't inquiring from them. Another thing , Jesus is God, He can talk to the dead and living
I think Mr. Turek thinks that if goes back to being Catholic, he is afraid that his former students, his friends, or other people that he convinced to become protestant as well as his protestant church will feel betrayed deeply or feel scammed.
I think (I may be wrong), He left the Catholic Church without fully understanding it and is convinced that teaching and influencing people to go out of it is doing them a favor. 😢
The vast, vast majority I'll leave without understanding it first sadly
Very concise and thorough discrediting of a slanderous heretic. Good job. Frank’s a good-hearted man though, I hope he comes around.
Excatly, I agree, That Evangelical should think twice, scripture has already mentioned asking saint in heavan to pray for u, even Moroccan Jews ask someone in heaven to pray for u, the Moroccan Jews even do it so themselves.
@eucharistangel4662 Well u can't say no, but God doesn't love Evangelicals either and I do care to see it but Evangelicals keep altering the bible to suit their view how ironic
How do you rebut the claims SDA made on the "Souls that cry in heaven" Revelation chapter 6- the 5th seal were those murdered by the Roman Catholic church???
SDA has zero authority to make any claims about anything. The Bible is Catholic. It's not their book.
I would ask them for proof. That's a claim without any proof. Second of all, most of those saints were from the Old Testament who were murdered.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial
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Of course Jesus is the one mediator between his Father and himself Catholics that are learned know that,but what Protestants do not understand at all is that not only people on earth can pray to him but also his Holy Mother Mary all the Saints on Earth and in Heaven and even the Holy Angels in heaven can pray to Jesus so that all prayers that are presented to Jesus he will offer to his Father
@eucharistangel4662 who talking about hearts of men I’m talking about prayers,oh and by the way I don’t know what kind of angel you claim to be whooo weeee what’s next that people will say
@eucharistangel4662 The dead cannot hear the living, really? Then how was Christ able to speak with Moses and Elijah who were dead, and how was Peter able to pray to and speak to Tabitha who was dead before he resurrected her? You should read scripture before you hurl insults at other people.
Always the Thief on the Cross with Protestants. He was the exception, not the rule. We’re bound by the Sacraments but God is not. Also the One Mediator quote has to do with salvation but you can still ask for intercession for one another. God is the God of the living! No Catholic has ever asked anyone but Christ for salvation. Any honor to another saint is from Christ alone!
The thing with our p. friends is they almost treat the bible like a contact with God.
"The thief clause says..."...😂
Instead of just adoring God and loving their neighbor.
@@Kitiwake as someone who is just confused by it all the tension between Protestants and Catholics depresses me
Retro, it is very sad. It is good to know history though, and to realize that when you go back before the 1500s, there are no denominations and things are a lot more clear and easy to see.
I’m a new believer and I’m saddened by both sides just beating up on each other like politicians.Instead of preaching their beliefs so I can enjoy a good sermon all they do is throw trash at each other. I’m so confused and so disappointed in my brothers in Christ. As a new believer THIS SUCKS!
Mr . Turek was not trashing Catholicism. He was sharing how we differ and respectfully shared how he thought we had it wrong in some cases. And visa versa. Jesus didn't just preach sermons. He also called out the Pharisees and their error regularly, fought the Sadduccees, and called out sin.
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But this is primarily an apologetics channel. It's goal is to help Catholics and non-Catholics to understand what the Catholic Church teaches and why, and how it's the true church of Jesus Christ. We also help to undo some of the common false claims and misunderstandings out there. God bless.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Thank you for answering. I just wan to follow and serve our King that’s all. Both sides make strong arguments for themselves and it’s very hard to choose. I’ve been back and forth for some time. I just pray for guidance. God bless.
Amazing video like always something I would like to add, which I dont know if you say it later in the video or not I'm still watching.
It can be a hard thing to prove a negative, it's hard to show that Jesus didn't quote from esther or any other book which he didn't quote because for all you know he could of quoted it we might of just skipped over it. What I like to point out is how the apolstes and other bible writers quoted books that are not included in the bible. So the books of the bible are not determined by the books in the the bible they are determined by the Holy Spirit through the Holy Spirit. If that makes sence.
Frank Turek seems more like a simpleton than a serious scholar to me. He makes a lot of obvious errors that he shouldn’t be making if he has studied the way he claims he has. For a former Catholic to not know the basic teachings of the Catholic Church there seems to be a major problem. I have never met ANY Catholic priest who couldn’t explain why we ask for the intercession of the saints as well as friends and loved ones. Frank seems disingenuous to me. 😊😊😊
Maybe Frank just read the Bible finally.
He didn't know his Catholic faith. That's the problem. A prominent former Protestant Bible scholar and theologian said that when he was a Protestant pastor, getting Catholics to leave the Church was as easy as shooting ducks in a pond because they didn't know their faith. Easy targets.
So franks logic is if it was quoted in the Bible then it’s authoritative.
Eek so the pagan writings St. Paul quotes according to frank should be in the Bible…
Exactly
Bryan, when you say Mr. Turek is humble and charitable toward Catholics, I don't see it that way. Granted, he isn't raising his voice, but he is making fun of us, especially when talking about praying to the saints and Christ as mediator.
Just a note of correction. Protestants do believe in praying to Christ, the one mediator between God and man and no Protestant would ever make a mockery of someone who prayed to Jesus Christ as mediator. We need to be sure that we do not accuse anyone unjustly.
@@Mark3ABE Yes, of course all Christians, Catholic and Protestant, pray directly to Jesus Christ. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, and Catholics do both. Catholics ask the saints to pray with us to Christ, just as we ask our loved ones here on earth to pray for and with us. Mr. Turek is suggesting that intercessory prayer is wrong if we include prayers to the saints. Not so. When we pray litanies, we ask Jesus to have mercy on us, but we ask each saint to pray for us. There are many examples of litanies. In every single one, we ask God for mercy and ask the saints in Heaven to pray for us. We do so because we recognize that they are already with God, worshipping Him. We hope to join them when our life here ends.
@@julieoelker1865 It is a great mystery, since, of course, we believe that those who enter into the eternal joy of Heaven are no longer sad and worried by what is happening on earth. So, if we pray to a Saint, about some very great trouble which we are experiencing, if he can hear our prayer and intercede for us, would not that interrupt the Beatific Vision? Causing him worry and concern? There is, I am sure, a proper answer to that question. On the other hand, if we pray directly to the Lord but in the name of a Saint, for example, by praying that we shall have the same courage as a particular Saint, or the same love and compassion as another Saint, known, in each case for these particular virtues, then the Saint is not interrupted in the Beatific Vision.
@@Mark3ABE Nowhere does scripture suggest that we are interrupting the beatific vision.
Nice argument against the thief being saved without works
great
Given Frank Turek's talk about self-defeating arguments (which is very good, imo), it's interesting that he missed such an obvious one.
Should we act like Jesus at the Temple in Matthew 21/John 2 if we ever enter an LGBTQ+/Liberal affirming church?
Not necessarily. James and John often wanted to act like that and got scolded by Jesus. Call down fire to wipe out the Gentiles who were persecuting them, and Jesus scolded them. So like in any given situation, we need prayer and discernment of what God is asking us, how, and how much
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Let’s rephrase the question then, would Jesus himself do that?
Hello! Have you ever watched this video: James White's lies on Jerome Refuted? James White said that Jerome didn't believe in Mary as a perpetual virgin, but those dudes in this video refuted those claims using Jerome's works to prove thelat he did hold that position and they show other earlier sources that shows us that the concensus was that she is a perpetual virgin. This video is awesome.
I want to watch it.
@cslewis1404 This video is on this channel: Shamounian. It's a very interesting video. It has articles to study and church fathers' citations.
I'm finding protestants very frustrating. The one mediator for example. Calling upon intercession from the Saints and Mary is not denying that saving sacrifice of our Lord anymore that those of us here on earth praying for each other. To follow this guy's logic would mean there is no need for prayer at all.
.” (1 Tim. 2:1) "I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone - for kings, for all those in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all godliness and holiness. This is good and pleases God our Saviour, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus."
1Timothy 2:1-5
Jesus is the one Mediator of our salvation, our only Saviour. But He is not our only intercessor, as the whole passage above clearly indicates. So the one passage that fundamentalists have used to deny intercessionary prayer, when read in context, actually backs up intercessionary prayer.😘😘
@@bibleman8010
You are absolutely right. The problem of the Protestants is, they like to isolate one single verse of the scriptural context and to put together their own doctrines. Reading in this manner the Bible, they misinterpret it all the time.
Though he made a list of all the things the good thief did not do. How could he know? As a jew there is a good chance he would have read the torah.
He was sympathetic to Jesus while on the cross. Maybe he had heard of Jesus, as he had become famous for his teaching and miracles. Perhaps he had beento one of his gatherings out of curiosity and had started to believe.
Lots of people were baptised by John could he have been one.
As there is nothing said about the thief we do not know who he realy was. All we know is that he was beside Jesus on the cross.
His words to Jesus could be seen as a proto-cofesssion. So you might say that, that was one sacrament he recieved.
14:47 "Obviously you don't need to do good work to be saved" so live in sinful life as long as believe in Jesus? Frank Turek should look up to the characters of Pharisees in the bible. He is exactly one.
Frank had a great dialogue with Jimmy Akin recently. Frank is one of the Protestants I like more, but he's missing a few nuts and bolts on the Catholic Church.
I think Jerome's point was that it would be impossible to convince Jews who reject Jesus to accept Him as their messiah if they continued to use those books as evidence which the Jews don't consider scripture. Christians would need to meet the Jews on common ground instead and rely on only those books that they both considered canon.
The collection now referred to as the Protocanon is a collection of inspired scripture that both Jews and Christians consider scripture and the Deuterocanon is the remaining collection of inspired books.
I sincerely doubt a priest couldn’t answer why we ask Mary and the saints to pray for us. He made that up.
Many priests only have a very limited knowledge of apologetics. Sadly. Some were formed much better than others.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I didn't have a great religious education growing up. Now, thanks to God and St. Pope John Paul II and his wanting an updated Catechism, I started to learn more about my faith than I ever learned in school.
@@georgepierson4920 It probably helped that you were older when you read the Catechism.
The are kingdom priests (laity), ministerial priests (clergy), and the high priest (Jesus).
And for the "he (Jésus) died on the cross at his place ( the thief) i genuinly find this one ironic😅!! It is 💯% correct that Jésus died on the cross for our sin EXEPT for the thief nailled on a cross beside him!! I know there where two thief but you get the gist!!!
I would like to know from Mr. Turek where in the Bible Jesus Christ or the apostles abolished the ordained priesthood. Besides the special authority Jesus Christ gave his apostles you mentioned, Paul used in Tim. 4: 14 the expressions "grace of ordination" and "priesthood", at least according to the German translation from P. Gebhard Heyder. And we know from the church fathers end first/beginning 2nd century A.D. that the ministry of a bishop and deacon belonged to the higher ranked hierarchy of the church and that they were ordained as you said by lying their hands on them.
In the official New American English translation of the Vatican, Paul describes the ordination to the priesthood in 1 Tim. 4: 14 as follows:
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1 Tim. 4:14
Do not neglect the gift you have, which was conferred on you through the prophetic word 8 with the imposition of hands of the PRESBYTERATE.
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English isn't my native language, but as far as I know, presbyterate is a synonym for priesthood. In German the word "Priester" in English "priest" is derived from the Greek word "presbyteros". Priests are called mostly "elders" in the Bible, but in biblical terminology, it means a shepherd, a person of authority who cares for the believers. It's the ministry of the priest.
We know from the early church fathers end of the first century A.D. and, the beginning of the second century A.D. that the ministry of a deacon, a bishop, and a priest was only given by ordination. If I'm wrong, somebody can correct me.
And Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5: 18-19
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And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation,
namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
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Paul writes here the ministry of reconciliation was given through Christ to the apostles. So the Bible confirms the catholic sacrament of the ordained priesthood.
Not sure he even understands what Frank explained. The Bible is clear that books are authoritative, the Bible contains zero lists that are authoritative. So biblically, only books are authoritative and list are not authoritative. A list just shows which books are authoritative, that is all.
If the list isn't authoritative, then you don't know for sure that the books of the Bible are authoritative or inspired Scripture.
Frank is one of the more charitable Prots. He had Jimmy Akin on his show recently.
But I don't get where people get the idea that he is a great apologist comes from? He honestly flubs a lot of challenges. Just that first clip was an example. Not only did he use an appeal to authority that was utterly bogus, he gives a weak defense.
Flubs 😂
He specializes being apologist against athestism. Outside of doing that, he seems to fall apart.
Charitable is still heretical.
We never said it wasn't. But it's nice when people aren't jerks and aren't rabidly seething at the mouth.
The Catechism says Jesus is the only mediator.
There is only one mediator between Man and God. The Catholic Catechism clearly states four times that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man (Paragraphs 618, 956, 1544, and 2574)
Christ's role as the only mediator is that he sacrificed himself for the remission of sin.
The Catholic Church has always believed that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. It is the death and resurrection of Jesus alone by which people are saved.
The kingdom of heaven is a spiritual kingdom. Not one of the flesh. Mother Mary, the saints, the angels and many others are alive in heaven. They can see and hear us. They are with us in spirit. We are connected to them through the holy Spirit. Get it!?
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12:29 Catholic Truth quotes “Ezra is in the Bible and is not quote by Jesus or the Apostle. Therefore, …. it’s not an inspired book of scripture” and Mr Turek respond with Esther is not in the Dead Sea Scroll.
What are you saying? You are not quoting them accurately - Ezra versus Esther.
Both.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial But the video clip of the student and of Dr. Taree never mentioned Ezra.
This is an example of a Strawman argument as it is a position that the opponent doesn’t really hold.
I think you are just not admitting your own mistake there.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 it was a misspeak for goodness sake! He’s not trying to straw man.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 the bottom line is, there are several OT books that protestants DO accept that Jesus & apostles never quoted. If protestants were consistent, they would remove these books from their bibles. They won't, because quotation by Jesus is not one of the criteria for inspired books, it's a red herring that they don't actually accept(or wouldn't accept if they were aware of the unquoted books in their bibles).
That isn't to say that Frank and others are lying, I think they are genuinely ignorant and are just parroting the same old protestant script.
@@Fiddleslip Hmmm.
I dont think you boys have read the Book of Bruce Metzger. Go read “The Canon of Scipture” before making comments and claims please.
Your logical reasoning astounds me too.
The way you explain the meaning of the quote - The Canon is not an authoritative list of books, it’s a list of authoritative books.
Once you have read Bruce Metzger’s book then you’ll realise your shotgun commentary and mistakes.
Frank Turek is really good at apologetics and talking to atheists. He sadly does not know much about the Catholic faith yet.
Like Tim Keller, FT has lots of empathy. Has only good intentions to all but he is in error.
GK Chesterton
Error is more menacing than crime because error begets crime
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I hope you all hear my reproof with a humble heart. I am Christian too , i speak out of humility to correct
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not [g]prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth [h]will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
"you are Peter, and on this rock"
Jesus was not referring to Peter as "this rock"
"This rock" is the revelation Peter spoke out " You are the Christ, the Son of the living God".
And to whoever knows and see and believe this revelation is , "the keys of the kingdom" given to.
As a Christian, you have these keys.
you can ask yourself this, why didnt Jesus say " you are Peter and on you I will build My church"
check the word for Peter ("petros" - stone) and Check the word for "this rock" - ("petra" - huge mass of rock), two different greek words .
this is the same word Jesus uses in Matthew 7:25 about the one who build his house on the rock.
Peter was a great man
But The Church is build on our Lord Jesus Christ not Peter or anyone or any denomination.
The Rock is also the vision Daniel explained, the rock that filled up the whole earth.
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