This is a good example of why this show was one of my all time favorite game shows. Dick Clark was a master at smoothing over the rough edges and they would occasionally admit screwing up. Kudos!
@@michaelfalkner1186 the clue is “things that get hit”. The bat gets hit by the ball when the bat is stationary. Now, a mail gets hit by a hammer, but a hammer doesn’t get hit by a nail in legitimate use, so “a hammer” would not be a legal clue.
The example given by Dick Clark was a perfect one for this. Anyone who has ever played baseball knows sometimes you try to get away from a hit by pitch and the ball accidently hits the bat. Correct reversal.
I tell you...at first I thought it was an illegal clue but after commercial break, the way Dick explained it, makes sense that the clue was allowed. Proper call in the end
It’s a shame Marcia wasn’t on the show earlier…the few rounds I’ve seen her play, she seems like a wonderful player! I think she would have been a regular (like Teresa Ganzel, Vicki Lawrence, Henry Polic II, etc)
@@FUGP72 Except "The hay" may have been buzzed, as it is a figure of speech and not something literally hit. Similarly, "your blessings" was once buzzed as an illegal clue for "Things you count" for a similar reason.
Had to reverse that. Who's to say whether the bat hits the ball or the ball hits the bat, if they're both objects in motion? If object A is in motion and object B is stationary, then I think it's fair to say that only A hits B. But if A and B are both in motion, then you can say A hits B or B hits A.
Davina was a Jeopardy contestant about a year and a half earlier, coming in third in the game after Barbara Lowe was retired undefeated. As far as I can tell, Davina was herself retired undefeated from Pyramid.
Since the clue "a bat" is ambiguous to either the one a baseball player uses to hit, or the mammal that flies around, I would have also argued that I was referring to the flying mammal as a flying bat can definitely be hit by something, particularly if it flying around inside of your house and you're trying to catch it.
They have to blatantly and obviously fit the subject. You can't just say something that makes no sense with the subject, get buzzed, and then run to the producers and go "BUT ON EVERY THIRD WEDNESDAY IN ENGLAND THEY HIT NEWSPAPERS ON THEIR FOREHEAD ACCEPT MY ANSWER!!!"
@Nicholas(open): Some years beforehand, Tony Randall would say, "a mosquito, a fresh man," and the lady got it(actually, it was "slapped," not "hit." Still, though...
1:10... I was in Puerto Rico for the Fall 1992 semester, and oftentimes visited a cousin's house. On the night of said cousin's *quinceañera,* they had bats flying into and out of a hole in the roof, and we used sticks to swing at the bats. I think I hit one so hard that the stick split in half. Yes... annoying bats(like mosquitoes and fresh men) get HIT!
I agree it can be argued either way. That bat hits the ball, or the ball hits the bat. As far as the flying mammal, that's a longshot argument. How many people go around hitting bats?
So the judges are allowed to buzz INCORRECT clues? If you make a honest mistake and give a clue that don't match the category, shouldn't that simply be a distracting clue? If a category was vegetables and I gave a clue of fruit, I'd get buzzed?
You're not allowed to give clues that "go around" the subject. For instance, "Vanna" will likely get you buzzed for "Things that are White," because, even though she IS white, you're alluding to someone whose name is White to purposely sneak around the intention of the subject. Since the initial thought is that a bat DOES the hitting, and does not GET hit, that's why the judge instantaneously smacked the buzzer as a go-around clue. But after some thought, the bat does technically get hit as well and that's how it was allowed.
Better example: Playing the Pyramid bonus round game I made, I once got "Things that are Messy" and after losing my partner suggested I say "Argentina's best soccer player" referring to Lionel Messi. I explained to her that is illegal because i'm leading her to something that is clearly not in the subject and just happens to match the word.
I think you'd be better off saying Laura Ingalls. Although either one would really only be effective if you've already done the "Little House" clue and the contestant didn't get it. Probably the safest clue would have been "Laura Ingall's house" since they make no distinction between fact and fiction. Therefore, her house most definitely IS a thing that is on a prairie. And it isn't a leading clue like "Little House" would be.
Jack Buck is referring to cacti not being generally found on a prairie. I don’t think he’s suggesting the a “prairie cactus” would have been a good clue.
@thechadmosher reason I say that is because little houses are not really on prairies, that's just referring to a title; so wouldn't that b illegal? I've seen, or think I've seen similar clues get buzzed.
Because you can most definitely find little houses on a prairie. People do live on prairies. And generally, people who live on prairies are not building McMansions. Perhaps a better, more safer, clue would have been "Laura Ingall's house" since they make no distinction between real and fictional things. The only possible way to get buzzed for "Little House" is if the judges determined that you were tryingto lead your partner directly to the title, as opposed to the actual answer. So "Laura Ingall's house", without "Little" would be no worries about getting dinged for a "leading" clue. Regardless..I'm pretty sure when they came up with that answer, they all knew the clue giver would say Little House. Especially in the 80s, since the show was still just barely off the air then.
Actually, if you leave the category, you DO get zapped. I remember one (I forget which version) where the subject was "Reference Books," and the guy said "A law library..." The judge waited for him to complete the item, but when he didn't, he got zapped because a law library is not a reference book.
Also the infamous Canadian policeman clue. It was valid in the end, but Barry Gordon was zapped because the judge thought it was a wrong or unacceptable clue.
There is no penalty for giving incorrect clues, unless it is deemed to be purposely trying to lead the other player to the answer, despite it not being a valid example.
Let's suppose there was never a case where a baseball bat was hit by the ball (although there is!).There's nothing wrong with giving a wrong answer as long as it's within the rules. For example, if a category was PLACES IN TEXAS and the clue-giver said San Diego, it's clearly wrong, but not illegal.
It isn't illegal to give a bad clue, but it is illegal to purposely give a clue that does not fit, IF you are purposely trying to lead your partner to the answer. I can;'t think of a good example off the top of my head ,but there are slang terms or phrases that don't really go with a word but could lead someone to a word. Like say the answer is "Parts of a turkey." You could say "jive". That would be illegal.
Some pitching drills, or even fielder's throwing drills involve trying to hit a bat leaning against the backstop (more for amateur in fields with chain link backstops) to work on accuracy. This was truly one of the judges' worst mistakes of all of them.
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This is a good example of why this show was one of my all time favorite game shows. Dick Clark was a master at smoothing over the rough edges and they would occasionally admit screwing up. Kudos!
If a player bunts a baseball, the ball hits the bat, the bat is stationary. That was a legal clue for sure. Good reversal.
Wrong analogy, the bat still hits the ball.
Instead, think of when a pitch is about to hit a batter and is fouled off the bat instead.
@@michaelfalkner1186 dead ball bunting. You want the ball to move as little as possible and just let the pitch momentum do the work.
@@stephkent2736 But you're still offering at the pitch, to some extent. Which would get it zapped.
@@michaelfalkner1186 the clue is “things that get hit”. The bat gets hit by the ball when the bat is stationary. Now, a mail gets hit by a hammer, but a hammer doesn’t get hit by a nail in legitimate use, so “a hammer” would not be a legal clue.
The example given by Dick Clark was a perfect one for this. Anyone who has ever played baseball knows sometimes you try to get away from a hit by pitch and the ball accidently hits the bat. Correct reversal.
I tell you...at first I thought it was an illegal clue but after commercial break, the way Dick explained it, makes sense that the clue was allowed. Proper call in the end
A "Little House" was a great clue.
I was hoping she was gonna say it
Me too.
That would have been my first clue.
*Michael Landon's "Little House."*
She had to make up for “a cactus,” which was a godawful clue
It was a good call to reverse his zap. Bat is a crappy clue, but you can argue that a bat can get hit by something.
In the sense that you can argue that anything can get hit, yes
A perfectly legal clue. Good call!
A bat does get hit when a strategic player bunts or an angry player strikes out.
It’s a shame Marcia wasn’t on the show earlier…the few rounds I’ve seen her play, she seems like a wonderful player! I think she would have been a regular (like Teresa Ganzel, Vicki Lawrence, Henry Polic II, etc)
She was on 10,000$ pyramid in January of 1975.
An abused wife, a punching bag, boxing pads, guard rails.
Back then abuse was not as out in the open but I sure thought of that clue first thing.
the hay. Especially back then, it was a common phrase for going to sleep, Millennials and Gen Z'ers probably wouldn't get it though.
@@FUGP72 Except "The hay" may have been buzzed, as it is a figure of speech and not something literally hit. Similarly, "your blessings" was once buzzed as an illegal clue for "Things you count" for a similar reason.
Had to reverse that. Who's to say whether the bat hits the ball or the ball hits the bat, if they're both objects in motion? If object A is in motion and object B is stationary, then I think it's fair to say that only A hits B. But if A and B are both in motion, then you can say A hits B or B hits A.
Davina was a Jeopardy contestant about a year and a half earlier, coming in third in the game after Barbara Lowe was retired undefeated. As far as I can tell, Davina was herself retired undefeated from Pyramid.
Since the clue "a bat" is ambiguous to either the one a baseball player uses to hit, or the mammal that flies around, I would have also argued that I was referring to the flying mammal as a flying bat can definitely be hit by something, particularly if it flying around inside of your house and you're trying to catch it.
You can't just say random words to fit a subject. It would make no sense to list the bat mammal for things that are hit.
I guess you haven't watched The Great Outdoors.
i thought that was the whole point of the game was saying random words to fit a subject
They have to blatantly and obviously fit the subject. You can't just say something that makes no sense with the subject, get buzzed, and then run to the producers and go "BUT ON EVERY THIRD WEDNESDAY IN ENGLAND THEY HIT NEWSPAPERS ON THEIR FOREHEAD ACCEPT MY ANSWER!!!"
***** hmmm I guess that makes sense but I think it's a stupid rule.
I've seen worse clues not get zapped. And the judge was right to reverse this.
My question is about the cactus on the prairie.
I would trust Mrs. Krabappel on whether that was acceptable.
I've been calling her Crandall!
Really? Edna was not exactly the most dedicated teacher. She was barely better than Ms. Hoover.
@@FUGP72 she did recount the Bart vs Martin election!
@@DSMTheEditor That was for her own selfish reasons. If Bart had won and Martin complained, she wouldn't have recounted to rub it in Martin's face.
Things that get hit...Moe Green. Sonny Corleone. Don Barzini. Hyman Roth.
@Nicholas(open): Some years beforehand, Tony Randall would say, "a mosquito, a fresh man," and the lady got it(actually, it was "slapped," not "hit." Still, though...
two perfect clues for things that get hit
a boxer's face
a (grand slam) homerun
The audio is really low. Could you please fix that?
That was probably the most egregious of the judge mistakes. It is obvious that you definitely can hit a bat.
1:10... I was in Puerto Rico for the Fall 1992 semester, and oftentimes visited a cousin's house. On the night of said cousin's *quinceañera,* they had bats flying into and out of a hole in the roof, and we used sticks to swing at the bats. I think I hit one so hard that the stick split in half. Yes... annoying bats(like mosquitoes and fresh men) get HIT!
You hit a bat if it's trapped in your attic.
clearly the judges have never been attacked by a swarm of bats
I agree it can be argued either way. That bat hits the ball, or the ball hits the bat. As far as the flying mammal, that's a longshot argument. How many people go around hitting bats?
Jim Lorentz
People that have a bat in their house. Happened to my folks a couple times.
Cacti are not found on the prairie, yet they were not buzzed.
Your clues can be inaccurate as long as they’re not providing an unhelpful or illegal advantage.
Judge never heard of a bunt? horrible!
English is such a funny language.
Why did the buzz it?? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!
You could also hit a bat that is a rodent that is flying around. It doesn’t have to be a baseball bat.
So the judges are allowed to buzz INCORRECT clues? If you make a honest mistake and give a clue that don't match the category, shouldn't that simply be a distracting clue? If a category was vegetables and I gave a clue of fruit, I'd get buzzed?
You're not allowed to give clues that "go around" the subject. For instance, "Vanna" will likely get you buzzed for "Things that are White," because, even though she IS white, you're alluding to someone whose name is White to purposely sneak around the intention of the subject.
Since the initial thought is that a bat DOES the hitting, and does not GET hit, that's why the judge instantaneously smacked the buzzer as a go-around clue. But after some thought, the bat does technically get hit as well and that's how it was allowed.
Better example: Playing the Pyramid bonus round game I made, I once got "Things that are Messy" and after losing my partner suggested I say "Argentina's best soccer player" referring to Lionel Messi. I explained to her that is illegal because i'm leading her to something that is clearly not in the subject and just happens to match the word.
Yes, if it's clearly something not on the list, it's a buzz.
@@biruss No.
I wonder if they would have accepted Michael Landon (for things on the Prairie)??
you know...THAT is a good question. I'm going to say "maybe" since they did take "Little House" so that might have been good
I think you'd be better off saying Laura Ingalls. Although either one would really only be effective if you've already done the "Little House" clue and the contestant didn't get it.
Probably the safest clue would have been "Laura Ingall's house" since they make no distinction between fact and fiction. Therefore, her house most definitely IS a thing that is on a prairie. And it isn't a leading clue like "Little House" would be.
a football player
Who is the black man at the other table?? I know him but can't place him.
Clifton Davis.
@@thechadmosherMichael Dorn.
A cactus for "things on a prairie?" A prairie cactus?
illegal. A prairie cactus would be too descriptive
"A prairie cactus" would get buzzed for using the word Prairie!!
Jack Buck is referring to cacti not being generally found on a prairie. I don’t think he’s suggesting the a “prairie cactus” would have been a good clue.
Would "a batted ball" been allowed ?
Nick Hoagland too explicit of a clue
No, bat used as a verb is synonymous with hit, that is not allowed.
She got away with it because bat used as a noun is not.
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Batted would be synonymous with hit, and therefore an illegal clue.
I would have said a pitched ball, your boxing opponent, a deserving bully.
It's in the definition -- probably would be a synonym. TyV is probably correct -- buzz.
or a BASEBALL BAT HITTING/STRIKING ANOTHER BASEBALL BAT.
How was little house an acceptable clue?
I'm not sure you understand this game.
@thechadmosher reason I say that is because little houses are not really on prairies, that's just referring to a title; so wouldn't that b illegal? I've seen, or think I've seen similar clues get buzzed.
@@ericnelson9100 You may absolutely allude to titles.
Because you can most definitely find little houses on a prairie. People do live on prairies. And generally, people who live on prairies are not building McMansions.
Perhaps a better, more safer, clue would have been "Laura Ingall's house" since they make no distinction between real and fictional things. The only possible way to get buzzed for "Little House" is if the judges determined that you were tryingto lead your partner directly to the title, as opposed to the actual answer. So "Laura Ingall's house", without "Little" would be no worries about getting dinged for a "leading" clue.
Regardless..I'm pretty sure when they came up with that answer, they all knew the clue giver would say Little House. Especially in the 80s, since the show was still just barely off the air then.
Also, there is no penalty for giving wrong clues. Marcia was still giving just a list. Totally legit clue. Bad clue, but legit.
Actually, if you leave the category, you DO get zapped. I remember one (I forget which version) where the subject was "Reference Books," and the guy said "A law library..." The judge waited for him to complete the item, but when he didn't, he got zapped because a law library is not a reference book.
Exactly, fo that catagory, A Dictionary, an Encyclopedia, an Atlas, and maybe the yellow pages would have passed as reference books.
Also the infamous Canadian policeman clue. It was valid in the end, but Barry Gordon was zapped because the judge thought it was a wrong or unacceptable clue.
There is no penalty for giving incorrect clues, unless it is deemed to be purposely trying to lead the other player to the answer, despite it not being a valid example.
No, you hit a ball with a bat.
Let's suppose there was never a case where a baseball bat was hit by the ball (although there is!).There's nothing wrong with giving a wrong answer as long as it's within the rules. For example, if a category was PLACES IN TEXAS and the clue-giver said San Diego, it's clearly wrong, but not illegal.
It isn't illegal to give a bad clue, but it is illegal to purposely give a clue that does not fit, IF you are purposely trying to lead your partner to the answer. I can;'t think of a good example off the top of my head ,but there are slang terms or phrases that don't really go with a word but could lead someone to a word. Like say the answer is "Parts of a turkey." You could say "jive". That would be illegal.
That’s BS. I HAVE HIT A BAT WITH ANOTHER BAT. IF YOU THROW A BAT IT GETS HIT.
Some pitching drills, or even fielder's throwing drills involve trying to hit a bat leaning against the backstop (more for amateur in fields with chain link backstops) to work on accuracy. This was truly one of the judges' worst mistakes of all of them.