I know the parents personally, they are one of my sisteers' godparents. They are beautiful human beings. God bless them. Poor little boy, rest in peace. 🙏♥️
Thank you for honoring the memory of John Horgan in such a thorough and compassionate way. I am a new subscriber who found your channel by chance. Peace.
Thanks for this video. My late father knew the late Garda White mentioned in your report, I was told he retired from the force soon afterwards, from the shock of what he had seen.
The killing of animals is also a recognised pre-cursor to psychopathy with serial killers. I’m confused as to the theft of the bicycle. All the other items ( challis, the sacramental bread) all indicators of ritual behaviour. But the ‘chipper’ bike? Where does that fit in with ceremonial rituals. Was it just a random theft? I thought it was odd behaviour to distribute John’s toys in the immediate neighbourhood. Wouldn’t it be a constant reminder of your deceased child upon seeing another child playing with them. If I’d been one of the neighbours I’d have felt quite perturbed at receiving a recently deceased child’s possession into my home, so sudden and brutal. I understand religious convictions and faith, but I’m struggling with the acceptance and leniency which the Horgan parents displayed throughout. I’d have rammed that autopsy report ‘ unfortunate accident’ right up the orifice of the snake who wrote it. Seven years in detention, what an absolute stain on the Irish justice system. I know Ireland has one of the most left wing judiciary in Europe, but seriously? You couldn’t make this ‘croc’ up!…….. god bless the innocent soul of little John Horgan.
The theft of the bike does seem to be an outlier, but certainly an indicator that he was targeting and planning something months before. Regarding the toys given away, it may simply be that as an only child, the parents wished to move on without reminders. I'm more used to cases where there is a loss of a child that parents almost create a bedroom shrine and won't touch it for years. But people deal with bereavement in very different ways. I agree the sentence was incredibly lenient but seemed to be signed off and passed without fuss due to the lack of case awareness in the public's eye. Had the case profile been much greater, I'm very circumspect release would have been so easily granted after seven years. It's a case with multiple oddities that just don't sit right.
The bicycle is a pentagram like symbol in occultism.. it was also a personal possession of more than likely an intended victim and he may have been using it in some ritual to possibly draw the child to him so that in his demented head it would be the child's fault.. the boy that did the murder could have been sexually abused himself in my opinion I'm not sure.
Regardless of what you say actually happened i.e. was documented and found out about..There is no way that somebody that arranged as a young person goes on to live a perfectly normal life. The fact that he was involved with the church groups tells me all I need to know he got up to stuff via those church groups absolutely despicable and there is no doubt my mind that his family i.e. his father was in that adult looper Secret society group and so were the local Clergy and the guards absolutely as I’ve said despicable
I think we already made it crystal clear that we believe Lorcan Bale did not act without heavy adult influence at the time. In regards to a 'perfectly normal life', we can only state what legal and court records show here in Ireland, and later the UK where he moved to. Suspecting that he must have continued in his ways without detection and heavily monitored even after release would be into the realms of pure speculation without any evidence.
@basket. Yes. What proof the Bale kid was even from that marriage? Covens & their orgies...who knows? Also at his age --- could he have fathered more of the same during such dark ceremonies? As when he was absent for days ? With never an account of where he actually was?
I lived in Palmerstown for 40 years since 1974 I don't every remember a garda station in palmerstown the nearest station is Ballyfermot Garda Station, fantastic job guys this case always haunted me and that house always freaked me out when I'd walk past, definitely was a major cover up with this case, seems impossible to find much on this case for that alone well done, also can't find little johns grave is it unmarked anyway rip john, and thanks guys for all the hard work on this one
I have this book, I bought it when it came out. I'd say Lorcan lives with this every day of his life, but just because he never re-offended doesn't mean he is sorry.
This was a Heavy Case.. i hope a priest prayed 4 this little boys soul 😢 shame on the police not doing the leg work & following this rabbit hole. TRAGIC.. & a young boy was assulted given a shirt&bible & really didnt get n trouble continued a path of distruction ..😮😮😢😢
I thinking too it's a way of other children enjoying things in life through John's toys and helping the parents let go of what not come back but go forward
I hadn’t heard of this either. That poor child, and a teenager responsible. It’s reminding me less of the Phillip Cairns case and more of Anna Kreigel, not a million miles away.
Irish media can be weird. I was helping someone research the murder of their family member in the 80s. The national press carried some information about it and the trial, but it was very sanitised. Likely to protect the sensibilities of the older surviving family and the community. I’ve noted similar in other cases going back into the 40s. This was in direct contrast to the almost lurid coverage of British papers of the time (which has been toned down since the 70s) But what really struck me was the local press coverage. The murder was a small corner on page 1, no photo. The main headline, and the coverage of which which went on for pages, was a frankly ludicrous argument in the local Council chamber. Balance lads, PLEASE!!! 🤦🏻♀️
Owow back n those days familys did not really want 2 speak regarding tragic events like these. Young children r easly influnced & obviously there was alot going on n that house & time has passed now but its still a wound.. i sure hope sum1 prayed 4 that inasent childs soul, they had no right 2 steal his life. & plan it months b4. 🙏🤧😩💔
@@RadioEspial Yes. Some speculate it was the dawn of the perpetrator being favoured by the legal/political system. The case also had some persons of note involved. The Holmoka case in Canada was another.
We never said 'the woman living in the house never knew the wardrobe was being knocked about and never went into the room to put clothes away'. We did question how all this work between the wardrobe and attic went on without notice over so long and why the 16 year old son sharing a bedroom was allowed keep it locked. Gardai did not find clothes in the wardrobe, other than bits of rubble plasterboard at the bottom of it.
@@RadioEspial Yes re the tools in the shed - most of us have tools around the home - it's the noise factor - the chisel punches the hole - then sawing could be done slowly over time with not too much noise. The bedroom door being locked is curious though ... most parents are snoopy! Was the kid dominating his parents? (Why allow him a key?)
FROM OUR TRANSCRIPT: Fr Cornelius O’Keeffe discovers the theft of a communion chalice and three consecrated wafers from St Philomena’s church. In contrast to the prayer books stolen in 1965, this theft does not appear to have been formally reported to the Gardaí.
@@RadioEspial which is extremely weird because of all the things that hold monetary value golden chalices are one of the most valuable items in the church I'm sorry to say that I think those local priests were involved in that secret society. They were up to their neck in it.
I know it sounds strange but there is a reason for saying it. It sounds like a child sacrifice so who benefitted. ? The father starts a PR company.....the mother gets rid of toys....no mother that loves their child will do this straight away. They will do it gradually. Her comment he was with God is something that Opus Dei promotes. Creating saints is their business, by any means possible..
The coroner said that the blows likely resulted in death immediately or very soon after. Lorcan may not have known the boy was dead and did want to take a risk he would become conscious and scream attracting attention as he moved him.
Never heard of this case, Mick, but when l listened to the main outline, l immediately thought of Philip
Yeh, it did have those dark undertones.
I know the parents personally, they are one of my sisteers' godparents. They are beautiful human beings. God bless them. Poor little boy, rest in peace. 🙏♥️
Some man the father, within 12 months of this satanic nightmare involving international and national media he's setting up a P.R company!
Thank you for honoring the memory of John Horgan in such a thorough and compassionate way. I am a new subscriber who found your channel by chance. Peace.
Thank you Spiderlady for your support. You are very welcome.
Good that this story is finally getting recognition I have known this story all my life my aunt lives on that road
These cases cases always run deeper when they are closer to family and home.
Thanks for this video. My late father knew the late Garda White mentioned in your report, I was told he retired from the force soon afterwards, from the shock of what he had seen.
I can imagine how disturbing he found it.
The killing of animals is also a recognised pre-cursor to psychopathy with serial killers. I’m confused as to the theft of the bicycle. All the other items ( challis, the sacramental bread) all indicators of ritual behaviour. But the ‘chipper’ bike? Where does that fit in with ceremonial rituals. Was it just a random theft?
I thought it was odd behaviour to distribute John’s toys in the immediate neighbourhood. Wouldn’t it be a constant reminder of your deceased child upon seeing another child playing with them. If I’d been one of the neighbours I’d have felt quite perturbed at receiving a recently deceased child’s possession into my home, so sudden and brutal. I understand religious convictions and faith, but I’m struggling with the acceptance and leniency which the Horgan parents displayed throughout. I’d have rammed that autopsy report ‘ unfortunate accident’ right up the orifice of the snake who wrote it.
Seven years in detention, what an absolute stain on the Irish justice system. I know Ireland has one of the most left wing judiciary in Europe, but seriously? You couldn’t make this ‘croc’ up!…….. god bless the innocent soul of little John Horgan.
The theft of the bike does seem to be an outlier, but certainly an indicator that he was targeting and planning something months before. Regarding the toys given away, it may simply be that as an only child, the parents wished to move on without reminders. I'm more used to cases where there is a loss of a child that parents almost create a bedroom shrine and won't touch it for years. But people deal with bereavement in very different ways. I agree the sentence was incredibly lenient but seemed to be signed off and passed without fuss due to the lack of case awareness in the public's eye. Had the case profile been much greater, I'm very circumspect release would have been so easily granted after seven years. It's a case with multiple oddities that just don't sit right.
The bicycle is a pentagram like symbol in occultism.. it was also a personal possession of more than likely an intended victim and he may have been using it in some ritual to possibly draw the child to him so that in his demented head it would be the child's fault.. the boy that did the murder could have been sexually abused himself in my opinion I'm not sure.
Totally agree@@basketballfan5763
@@RadioEspial The body found & seconds later the mother says we knew he was given to us for seven years? Thats one large tell.
Regardless of what you say actually happened i.e. was documented and found out about..There is no way that somebody that arranged as a young person goes on to live a perfectly normal life. The fact that he was involved with the church groups tells me all I need to know he got up to stuff via those church groups absolutely despicable and there is no doubt my mind that his family i.e. his father was in that adult looper Secret society group and so were the local Clergy and the guards absolutely as I’ve said despicable
I think we already made it crystal clear that we believe Lorcan Bale did not act without heavy adult influence at the time. In regards to a 'perfectly normal life', we can only state what legal and court records show here in Ireland, and later the UK where he moved to. Suspecting that he must have continued in his ways without detection and heavily monitored even after release would be into the realms of pure speculation without any evidence.
@basket. Yes. What proof the Bale kid was even from that marriage? Covens & their orgies...who knows? Also at his age --- could he have fathered more of the same during such dark ceremonies? As when he was absent for days ? With never an account of where he actually was?
I lived in Palmerstown for 40 years since 1974 I don't every remember a garda station in palmerstown the nearest station is Ballyfermot Garda Station, fantastic job guys this case always haunted me and that house always freaked me out when I'd walk past, definitely was a major cover up with this case, seems impossible to find much on this case for that alone well done, also can't find little johns grave is it unmarked anyway rip john, and thanks guys for all the hard work on this one
Thank you, Paula. it was a tough one. John is buried in Balgriffin cemetery.
May John Horgan Rest In Peace Amen.
Shared and liked. Appreciate what you do mick💚
Thank you, Deirdre.
I have this book, I bought it when it came out. I'd say Lorcan lives with this every day of his life, but just because he never re-offended doesn't mean he is sorry.
We stated that he had no record of re-offending. It is not our role to get into whether he is sorry or not.
He's very intelligent, he was niave at 16, he's more covert now
This was a Heavy Case.. i hope a priest prayed 4 this little boys soul 😢 shame on the police not doing the leg work & following this rabbit hole. TRAGIC.. & a young boy was assulted given a shirt&bible & really didnt get n trouble continued a path of distruction ..😮😮😢😢
Well done lads brilliant show.
Thank you Patrick.
Absolutely heartbreaking 😭💔
Heart-breaking and disturbing at the same time.
Giving the toys away might have been a way to deal with their grief. Maybe regretted later but not strange if you lost a child.
I thinking too it's a way of other children enjoying things in life through John's toys and helping the parents let go of what not come back but go forward
@@alisonj9533 Inappropriate for two reasons - the timing + the neighbourhood children as recipients. Donate later, to a charity, anonymously.
@@alisonj9533 Anonymous donation to a local charity? Perhaps a better way.
The house on the right has a diamond/cube ornamental decoration on the 2nd story. The cube in occult circles has meaning.
I was 8 in 73 I'm from town.My mum lived in palmerstown drive in the 90s after moving from town. I never heard about this ☘️
It was years before the case really properly came to public attention unless you lived in the area.
Newgrange is in Meath I’d say that’s where he went
I hadn’t heard of this either. That poor child, and a teenager responsible.
It’s reminding me less of the Phillip Cairns case and more of Anna Kreigel, not a million miles away.
Irish media can be weird. I was helping someone research the murder of their family member in the 80s.
The national press carried some information about it and the trial, but it was very sanitised. Likely to protect the sensibilities of the older surviving family and the community. I’ve noted similar in other cases going back into the 40s. This was in direct contrast to the almost lurid coverage of British papers of the time (which has been toned down since the 70s)
But what really struck me was the local press coverage. The murder was a small corner on page 1, no photo. The main headline, and the coverage of which which went on for pages, was a frankly ludicrous argument in the local Council chamber.
Balance lads, PLEASE!!! 🤦🏻♀️
@@maireadnic8280 The Anna Kreigel case did also come to mind on this one.
Owow back n those days familys did not really want 2 speak regarding tragic events like these. Young children r easly influnced & obviously there was alot going on n that house & time has passed now but its still a wound.. i sure hope sum1 prayed 4 that inasent childs soul, they had no right 2 steal his life. & plan it months b4. 🙏🤧😩💔
I was only five at the time but know about it
Holy shit, what a crazy story. Only 2 minutes in and I'm on edge of my seat. I never heard of this. Cheers Mick
Thank you for your support, Albee.
Shocking .case
Absolutely shocking and disturbing, Mary.
This is awful altogether😭
Horrific case to cover and little known about.
The Mary Bell Case?
Another very disturbing child-on-child murder case in England.
@@RadioEspial Yes. Some speculate it was the dawn of the perpetrator being favoured by the legal/political system. The case also had some persons of note involved. The Holmoka case in Canada was another.
So you are saying that the woman living in the house never knew the wardrobe was being knocked about and never went into the room to put clothes away?
We never said 'the woman living in the house never knew the wardrobe was being knocked about and never went into the room to put clothes away'. We did question how all this work between the wardrobe and attic went on without notice over so long and why the 16 year old son sharing a bedroom was allowed keep it locked. Gardai did not find clothes in the wardrobe, other than bits of rubble plasterboard at the bottom of it.
Playing loud 🎶 music to cover any banging?
It's possible. But still extraordinary that he did this without family notice of it.
@@RadioEspial One hole punched with a chisel - then saw the drywall & floor boards ? Wonder where the tools he used are?
@@MushMushMuscovaMush He mentions in his garda statements about a shed in the garden where he got stuff.
@@RadioEspial Yes re the tools in the shed - most of us have tools around the home - it's the noise factor - the chisel punches the hole - then sawing could be done slowly over time with not too much noise. The bedroom door being locked is curious though ... most parents are snoopy! Was the kid dominating his parents? (Why allow him a key?)
Was the chalice reported as missing or stolen?
FROM OUR TRANSCRIPT:
Fr Cornelius O’Keeffe discovers the theft of a communion chalice and three consecrated wafers from St Philomena’s church. In contrast to the prayer books stolen in 1965, this theft does not appear to have been formally reported to the Gardaí.
@@RadioEspial which is extremely weird because of all the things that hold monetary value golden chalices are one of the most valuable items in the church I'm sorry to say that I think those local priests were involved in that secret society. They were up to their neck in it.
@@basketballfan5763 The chalice was probably gilt - not solid gold - so easily replaced.
I know it sounds strange but there is a reason for saying it. It sounds like a child sacrifice so who benefitted. ? The father starts a PR company.....the mother gets rid of toys....no mother that loves their child will do this straight away. They will do it gradually. Her comment he was with God is something that Opus Dei promotes. Creating saints is their business, by any means possible..
If the young boy was dead,why did he gag him.
The coroner said that the blows likely resulted in death immediately or very soon after. Lorcan may not have known the boy was dead and did want to take a risk he would become conscious and scream attracting attention as he moved him.
Ps. Deleted other comment on other vid as the matter is dealt with, and we move on. Sound Mick
Opus Dei have their greasy tentacles all over this.
No I think the elites have their tentacles all over it.
Bale/Baal.