Especially after your friend breaks up your perfect relationship and then sets you up with someone you've never met, never mind the fact that he's in prison. The whole story is fishy af and Camila is a psycho
That also goes for if you've seen them before, but then they ghost, or play Narcissist games. Been through both. Never been worth it....not even close.
lol how going to charge someone if there no law has been broken. yes, I think should she pay for something, but you have to look at it if you were on a jury. it never be in the court cuz she didn't break the law
Wait. It's believed that she threw her own phone over before jumping, but purposely left behind her OLD phone, a valentine from "brayden" & a msg on her window dirt "I love you brayden" to make sure everyone knows she did this over heartbreak for "brayden"? NO ONE thinks Camila lured her there & pushed her over, then sent 3 messages from her phone & threw that over as well? Why would she have done her makeup if she was planning to jump?
Camilla can't just walk away from this as a free woman. She has to be treated the same as a male stalker. This beautiful family deserve justice. Shame on the Australian justice system!
@@NonWokeOr the same criminal penalties in any case. Female privilege is not only real, it can be easily proven by family court, divorce court, alimony, criminal penalties, etc. Basically anything men and women use together, women are at a significant and easily tracked advantage.
Agree….I’m so confused why the police didn’t freeze her phone acct, or charge her with premeditated manslaughter. She literally planned everything out then mentally abused /controlled her to her death.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916sorry dude, there is no female privilege in family court issues - it's CHILD PRIVILEGE Men enter court complaining about the loss of ownership and their personal rights INSTEAD of speaking to the rights of the child to know it's father... Most men only want custody to control or harm the wife for leaving them... Judges give the main caregiver of the child custody...and do you know why? Besides being lazy parents 99% of men do not know their own children's birthdates, they do not know their children's full legal names, nor their ages, they don't know the doctors, or teachers names, allergies, medications, or the names of their teachers or friends... Dad's know very little about their own kids because dad's are lazy parents who only need to show up to get kudos, women on the other hand spend 24/7/365 days a year with their children... Men are selfish parents who always put their own needs before the children... Children raised by single fathers are raised by babysitters, or dad's latest squeeze, grandma or strangers...these fathers are so selfish they would deny their own children the love and care of a mother...
Why not? Guys have been using gay privileges over straights for ever... The first cat fisher killed the man with his car, he got free surgery, transitioned into a woman and then was given woman of the year award... A MAN named Chris Jenner...he was caught and feared being exposed, so he waited for the man to leave his house and ran him over with his car...he got a free pass...even won awards and over 1 million dollars for free surgeries... Sure sounds like gay privilege to me...
Watching this has me stunned. I once had an obsessive friend swoop into my life, love bomb me, and try to break up the best relationship of my life. Thankfully I listened to my husband and got rid of her. It chills me looking back at her calculated behaviour. So sad for Renae,and her family, for what that evil girl did.
@@cristooreal7996well there you go, you’ve never been through it. Let me help you with some insight. The part your missing is the abusers most powerful weapon. It’s called “cognitive dissonance” this is where there are two statements that are in direct contradiction with one another but both are equally true to the person experiencing them. A good example of this would be maybe the nurse that smokes. They know it’s bad for them, they plan to quit, but daily life and the stress of their high demand job, they think “it’s ok for a bit longer bc i need to get to XYZ point to quit”. Gaslighting is the other powerful tool they all use. It’s part of how they wear their victims down and skew reality. This is a slow process. If it was a fast process, anyone would see it plain as day and run. In the real world, it’s a slow, painful and methodical process. DV survivors are in fact some of the strongest people you will ever meet. We’ve stared hell in the face and those of us that are lucky, escape alive. We use our stories to help educate people like you and help other survivors escape. Real life DV isn’t like the movies. Our abusers are charming, most of the time they are very intelligent, they wear a facade and mask in every public encounter. The mask is who we fall in love with. By the time it’s clear there’s a problem, many of us are trapped. Bc what narcissists and abusers do is systematically tear you down and back you into a corner. They choose their victims bc their victims are genuinely everything the narcissist could never be. They are light, they are empathy, they are love that’s immeasurable. It starts small enough. Placing doubt that sounds like loving concern that touches your self esteem first, they are masters of triangulation. The reason so many get caught up is because these abusers have their entire lifetime of practicing these toxic manipulations and masks and the victims are engaging in what they believe to be the best or healthiest relationship they have ever had in the beginning. It’s part of that mask and carefully curated. Then they will start slowly taking over every aspect. Financial, social etc. this is called “goalpost shifting”. By the time we realize something is wrong, many of us are so scared, don’t have full access to our funds, or children that they threaten to weaponize. I would implore you to do some research on survivor accounts and how it actually happens rather than making statements from your very limited scope that add to the stigma and harm of actual abuse survivors trying to escape. You haven’t lived it. And I hope you get to continue your bubble where you haven’t experienced it. But just know, it can easily happen to you. You think it can’t and you’re untouchable? You might be at the most risk for it happening with that mindset. That’s how we miss the red flags. Stay safe and blessed and think twice before you put words I to the world on an experience you have never lived 🙏🏼❤️
@@stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216 right on point. I experienced it and this is exactly what it is. That's why is so hard to let go. Add trauma bond also. People miss the good times and tend to ignore the bad times.
It's called self-esteem for a reason and not us-esteem, you give them positive affirmation so they don't look for validation outside of themselves. Self-esteem comes from within not from without.
It's a shame the family had to do everything--searched and found her shoes, found the pattern in the texts, found the app to unlock her phone...😢 They should be commended on their perseverance!
I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be so wicked. I hope she is haunted by her actions for the rest of her life. What a despicable human. I can’t believe someone married that evil woman, how will their children feel when they learn the truth about their mother! RIP kind soul. Sending love to your friends and family. ❤❤ keep fighting for justice. xxxxx
@@agirlnamedtomm940 RUclips’s local policies in Australia and New Zealand. If you go to this channel’s community tab, their second newest post (about this video) says they’re sorry to the people living there because it can’t be shown there
@@piroko13 OH MY GOSH !! That's absolutely insane that this cannot be shown there !! WOW ! I honestly can't wrap my mind around that ,, I don't understand why .. it makes this story even more sad 😟
The fact that anyone would marry Camilla and have children with her after all of this is bizarre to me. Not only does the family need to get justice but I’m concerned for the children she’s raising
She will destroy their lives, one way or another. Narcissists abuse everyone in their path. Every human is just another appliance to be used. HG Tudor is a great source of education on this. Wouldn't be surprised to find that she used pregnancies to ensnare her victim. I personally know one who used 8 children to ensnare her victims.
Like the Casey Anthony case. I think it takes someone who has an open heart to everyone, obviously, to be open to hearing their side of the story, and I'm sure Camilla had painted a prettier picture for him.
My dad also took his life, the day after my mom passed away, and his body wasn't recovered either. My heart really goes out to these parents. That's closure you really need and never get. 💔💔💔
Suicidal is a demonic spirit. Me as a Christian believer in the bible says that we have to have a break through to all them generational courses so it won’t continue with following our next generations. Only Jesus Christ who died in the cross and was raised from the death can help us break those generational courses from our lives for good and only through him we will also have eternal life so sick your salvation. Jesus loves you ❤
Camila knew what Rene’s insecurities were. I feel like Rene struggled with low self-worth and Camilla knew this. One thing I know is that NO ONE GETS AWAY WITH ANYTHING. Rest in peace Rene.
You know shes just controlling her new husband, and anyone else she can. She is a manipulator, and craves any attention and control she can get, she loves the power over others.
Ive watched a lot of true crime and 48 hours. This one for me goes to the next level of psychopathic behavior. To betray somebody for so long in such an intimate way is hard to understand.
You can see clearly the victim was much prettier than the attacker. When you have a deceptive criminal mind jealousy is seeing. Blessings to victim and family of victim!
@@VICTORIA-rf8pd Oh yes, she was obsessively, bitterly jealous of the much prettier, more attractive beautiful soul that Renaé was .. so she set out to torment and literally hounded the girl to death . Seems Camilla was infatuated with Renaé and expressed "love" by pretending to be male . Let's hope someone is keeping a close eye on it, and her children, maybe the mother-in-law or her own Mum, who know how dangerous she can be, after watching this video .. ❤🕊Renae🕊❤
Imagine ending your life for someone you have never been with in your life, not a call, just texting! It makes me wonder about her sense of self-worth, self- esteem....and this relationship with her family. So weird!
I was wondering about that. I have seen crime documentaries where the text data can be recovered from the company, so I can't believe they were not able to retrieve the texts the day she died and have the evidence they needed to prosecute that pig monster.
how cops going recovered the phone data if it not there. yes, it sad what happen to her but there no evidence and she didn't break any laws. you can't put someone in prison cuz you think they should be in prison it doesn't work that way.
@@funtyes1970 Cant speak for other countries, but in the US the phone carriers retain text, images and the cell tower it passed though up to a certain time limit.
So she threw her phone, then jumped? Gimme a break man. Sounds to me like Camilla set it all up. I don’t for a second believe that Renae jumped. Camilla made sure the phone would never be found, and probably murdered Renae. I cannot believe how quick the Police are to dismiss all of this. What a fkn disgrace!! My heart goes out to this family. Oh the grief and pain they live with, day in and day out. I’m so sorry!
My red flag went off when the narrator said "best friend of 5 years". It's a weird sentence. Most people's best friends are who they knew from childhood. I'm only a few minutes in but it sounds like Camille is Brayden.
After years and years of watching true crime, this one takes the cake! It is unfathomable that Camilla wasn’t charged. Very disturbing. Deleted messages can be obtained. This police department is just inept.
Who knows if something deeper has been going on. I mean, who's this Camilla woman, who're her family and their links .......... Powerful people? Just saying
To The Marsden Family: In the chance that you may see and read the comments pertaining to this video, your daughter and/or sister, I want to say a few things to you. First and most importantly, I am so deeply sorry for your loss and I would like to send my condolences. Watching this video and hearing the heinousness of the actions/ manipulation that this evil woman has done angers my soul deeply!! 😔😢 Next I would like to say that I will be praying for y'all! May the Holy Spirit fill each of your hearts with comfort, grace, mercy, and strength! 🙏
I was just thinking this right here. I think Camilla killed Renae. When the host stated that Renae may have thrown her phone before she jumped, I thought to myself - no she was killed and Camilla got rid of Renae's phone. Camilla may think she got away with everything, but karma comes out of nowhere when you least expect it.
You cannot have a relationship or love someone you have never met. Why did her parents not question this? Social media and the Internet has a lot to answer for. Without that none of these things would happen.
I feel terribly sorry for Renae and her family 🕊 Renae seems like she was sunshine in human form. That wasn't a suicide, Camila murdered her out of jealousy. The fact that Camila is married with kids, living as if nothing happened... That's the life Renae would've deserved. When her brother started crying I lost it... 😢 The laws are ridiculous, Camila deserves jail. I can't imagine the pain her family, friends and her long term boyfriend are going through. I wish them all the best and I hope they know that Renae and what happened to her will never be forgotten. 🤍🕊 And for the people blaming Renae herself: Camila manipulated and threatened her over years. Do y'all know what that does to a person? Renae wanted to be loved, that's all. She would've never killed herself if it wasn't for Camilla. RIP beautiful soul. ⭐
Facts. Only in Australia can you can actually coherence someone to commit Suicide And not be victimized or charged for the merciless cause of the Death of the person you literally Murdered. Outrageous.
And why not use two separate phones? If she only used one then the messages would have shown to have come from the same phone number. Camilla's phone number. Plus if she had used two then she could have overlapped the the messages from her and Brayden. Heck, not overlapping them is how the idea of Renae being catfished first got started.
Anyone else want to know exactly where Camilla was that night? Even if they don’t hv access to the texts, they have access to the towers where Camilla’s phone pinged from. They found shoes but no other evidence? My conspiracy theory is that Camilla met Renee at the Gap, drove her somewhere else, killed her , then went back to the Gap throwing the phone in the ocean and leaving the shoes on the beach . I think they will find Renee’s remains somewhere far away from the Gap.
She killed her, period! That girl was over there and killed her and left her phone at home and took her to the bridge or the side of the road and dumped her
Seeing Renae’s brother fight to hold back his tears broke my entire heart. This poor sweet loving family did not deserve this horrific torment. Camilla doesn’t deserve the life she currently has after everything she did to Ranae and her family. It’s disgusting!
This is sad. This is a prime example of parents wanting to be their daughter's friend and not wanting her to be upset with them, instead of stepping in after (s) he initially disrespected the mom. My mom was very intuitive and thankfully spoke up when she had a "weird feeling " about someone. Also, who would condone their daughter dating someone in prison? So unfortunate this happened 😞. Rest in peace Renee 🙏 ❤.
I absolutely agree! When her daughter needed guidance and support she wasn’t there to give it for fear of upsetting her. I have no issue with telling my kids the hard truths of life and I won’t co-sign any BS. That’s why we are so close and they come to me for everything. They know I always have their best interest at heart
Give them a break for god sake. This was carried out very seekly by a childhood 'friend'. Taking to much control of a child's life can also have damaging longterm effects.
Daughter dating a criminal in jail , person she never met. So many red flags and the parents are supportive to this craziness? Can’t believe this madness. She looked like a sweet angel who needed serious help.
I think Camila loved Renae but Renae wasn’t going to love her that way. What a coward and a monster ❤. Hope she stays away from humans she needs to be in a mental facility.
The police there were so lazy, they wouldn't even try to retrieve the messages from the phone, and the bereaved family had to ask a 13-year-old boy to do that for them. The police didn't investigate the possibility of Camila luring Renae to the cliff, murdering Renae, and making it look like a suicide.
Camila tried to kill Renae before. Just like a comment below said: what if Renae didn't commit suicide? After Camila pushed Renae over the cliff, Camila deleted all the messages on Renae's phone that showed how Camila lured Renae to come to the cliff (Renae did her hair and makeup, so maybe to see "Braydon"?), Camila sent the suicide texts with Renae's phone, and put all the fake "evidence" that Renae took her own life over "Braydon" (with the dying message on the car's window, old Valentine's card). Camila might have gotten away with murder.
@@wiztribe I think what she’s saying is that maybe Camilla sent Renae a message as “Braydon” saying he was going to meet her to lure her to the cliff to push her off
I want to send my sincere condolences to the Marsden family who seem like very nice, down-to-earth and pure people. They didn't deserve what this monster did to their daughter, and this case has touched me so much that it brought me to tears. I'm going to mention Renae to everyone so that my family and friends remember her name and become aware of the evil, shady world of catfishing.
I can't believe they're unable to charge catfishers as it should be a criminal offence with all the damage it causes😢camilla is a disgusting human being
lol how they going to charger her? there no laws have been broken. if they charge her, her lawyer will have a field day with this case it would be an easy win. I'm just speaking the truth. there 0 evidence against her that why cops needed text messages.
Big time; they totally ignored the fact that camila may have killed renae and sent all those text messages using renaes phone and then threw the phone in the lake where it could never be found. This woman is evil and should have been punished.
@@ronniemead805 I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did indeed push Renae off that cliff or killed her somewhere else and placed her shoes at the cliff top.
Those parents are SOO strong. They've never recovered their daughter's body. The one shot they had to open an investigation was Camila's phone and that fell through. And the fact that they never saw any justice and still run into that POS in supermarkets! Omg the fact that they are still standing, God bless them. R.I.P Renae.
@@jacobpotter2237 I agree. I think they're terrible parents. She says 'Brayden' sent a nasty text to her and she let it go. There can be no place for accepting that level of disrespect towards parents. She should have told Renea that she is forbidden to continue with him if she wants to have a relationship with her mother - her 'best friend.' It is a parents job to discipline and teach their children, not allow them to bring ruin onto themselves.
As a father of 2 young women, this story both broke my heart and infuriated me. And seeing how heart broken her baby brother is made it hurt even more. Excellent journalism.
I have a hard time believing that she took her own life. I immediately felt in my gut that Camilla had something physically to do with her ‘jumping’. When a woman has a broken heart, the first thing they do is go to their best friend. How do they not know that Camilla and her met at that spot or something? This is infuriating!
Now that makes more sense and could possibly be so. That's what I was thinking as well...how do they know she jumped! Camilia seems very unhinged and honestly I'm not sure why their friendship lasted so long. This story is very bizarre.
We would all go to our best friend….. I think like others as well, she maybe didn’t commit suicide. This needs further investigation… I hope they reopen this case.
A few years ago a friend of mine started behaving strangely and looked very depressed. I asked him about it and he said he’s fine. I didn’t believe him though so I dug a little deeper and he just told me he’s been sad lately and told me not to tell anyone. I went and got my phone and texted both of his parents IMMEDIATELY! He was mad that I did that but I will never mess around with that kind of stuff. He’s doing very well now. Happy as ever
How incredibly brave of you to jump right at that point and probably have a bit to do with his happiness now! People don't take other people's opinions about themselves seriously until disaster/accident happens! God Bless
So many red flagsssss Your friend ruins your good relationship. Then goes onto set you up with a man in prison for manslaughter. That's no friend. Why did she even continue being friends with her? Sooooo many questions 😑
Based on Camile's obsession with Rene I wouldn't be surprised if Rene picked her up that day, the break up, drove her to the "Gap" + pushed her in. That goes so perfectly with her obsession.
Did they ever look into this as murder? Was she pushed instead of jumped? It all seems so staged to me. The text messages, the writing on the car window, the fact that her phone was also tossed. She might have literally gotten away with murder by making it only look like suicide.
I do believe Camilla sent that text to the mother to set the stage and then committed the murder..probably luring her there as the friend trying to comfort her after a bad breakup. I strongly feel it was murder.
Couple of thoughts: 1) This was NOT an ordinary friendship. There was a very deep emotional, abusive connection between these two women. Most friendships develop and dissolve fairly naturally without an overt effort to "break up" and as many women know, most of the time when a friendship inevitably ends, there is RARELY any closure or official acknowledgement of it ending. The fact that she felt that she needed to wait until C was out of the country to break it off speaks volumes about the nature of their relationship. It was an abusive situation, NOT a friendship. 2) I think it's highly possible she actually did find out that C was the "boyfriend" and whatever emotions and feelings she was experiencing (anger, disgust, fear, shame, sadness, etc) were the final catalyst that resulted in her taking her life. 3) As someone else mentioned, C murdered her and made it appear that it was a suicide. Judging by the effort she put into this elaborate scheme, it is definitely a viable possibility that she murdered this girl. It is so incredibly sad.
Fully agree with point number 2. That was my main thought watching this whole thing. Earlier in the video it even said Rene told her mom she realized what Brayden was all about. 4:05. I think it’s highly probable the lost 91 messages would reveal that Camila had told Rene and that that’s what pushed her over the edge. Rene probably felt it was her only way out from Camila, and just the weight of Camila’s abuse and manipulation.
Agree with everything you said 100%. Like why would Renee just leave her shoes behind? And I’m sure Camilla tossed the phone in the water. But the police should easily be able to retrieve all deleted messages and all messages on the missing phone.
@@redpillyoass5894 There are so many "experts" on here. This was 2013. If the average Joe who becomes a Congressman can't differentiate between wifi and an app during fb & tiktok hearings, why is everyone shocked that the average Joe policeman couldn't recover deleted texts in 2013? OF COURSE it took a 13-yr-old Zoomer to figure it out.
I've been friends with a woman I met when I was 12 & I'm 50 now, so I disagree that friendships "inevitably" end. Maybe in the age of social media, but we don't all behave like this. I DO agree that the "official" ending of a friendship is unusual for a woman.. It struck me as so unusual that I almost believed Camila's version of events-until that "Sleep with C/NO." text exchange. I hadn't considered the idea that Camila killed her, but that explains why she looked so evil to me!
That girl Camilla most definitely had more to do with Renee's death than just catfishing. I believe she very well could have pushed that girl over that cliff after Renee found out the truth. The entire "I love Brayden" written on her windows on her car could have been written by Camilla. I cannot believe that the Australian police won't prosecute her or show the Australian public this video.
The other thing is that the Inn was written backwards and that's exactly how Camila writes her ends because she is dyslexic. Absolutely no doubt that Camilla sent those final farewell messages to her mom after she murdered her daughter. Their justice department is lacking in so many areas. First thing the police do is subpoena phone records after a suspicious unwitnessed death. Just shortly before this incident she told Camilla she didn't want to have anything more to do with her. The last thing Camila wanted is to be cut out of the position of Master puppeteer. If someone tells you that you're no longer in charge of pulling the strings then you will lose control of that situation and this psychotic criminal was obsessed with control.
Catfishing, scamming, and hacking should be illegal. It should also come with very severe consequences in court. Correction: as someone pointed out to me these things are illegal, but I what I was trying to say is that it’s not taken as seriously as it should be in many cases.
Especially if it causes someone to commit suicide. In the US can't someone be charged for malicious ly deceiving? Like people that bully others online and they commit suicide can be charged with something right?
How could Renee be so unbelievably gullible??! I feel sorry for her mother… she told her about the abuse! As a parent I would have made my daughter get a restraining order. Like what did the mother do with the abuse information?? How did that conversation go?
I feel sorry for her kids... I feel sorry for her husband there names are always going to be tarnished ... he should leave and take the kids with him get rid of that monster her name should be plastered around this should be shared to her Facebook sent to the kids school and also the husbands work albeit I'm making innocent victims suffer but then she's be suffering more
She needs to be charged for what she did and go to court and from there she needs to be incarcerated in a mental institution for the rest of her life. I don't understand how the laws that be could not find something to charge her with it's just incredibly amazing that she can get by with this but yet Renee is dead. I feel such sorrow and anguish for her parents and her extended family and friends and Renee should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law
@@amc5936 absolutely devastating, but we don’t leave this world without paying for our sins. I’m sure of that, sooner or later that monster will get her turn.
@@JennMartinello Just making up labels now?... "Narcopath"😂... sure, why not lol. I married a diagnosed narcissist... these people are poison to everyone including themselves.
Words fail me. This is so heartbreaking yet bazaar! The law 100% needs changing. I can only imagine how devastated Renae’s parents must feel. And don’t think I could be so dignified if this was one of my children. Absolutely horrendous case.
To catfish someone you don't personally know is evil and horrible but to do it to someone you physically know and not only know but are best friends with is just pure evil.There are no words for the sheer nastiness of any person who would even think about doing it let alone actually doing it.Just evil.
Because she was mentally ill and eventually committed suicide. Ultimately I see that oh so outraged mother as probably the most guilty of all the cast besides that nutcase who killed herself.
Never underestimate the vile manipulative depths of a girlfriend to another girlfriend. I wish I had an entirely different set of girlfriends growing up as they crushed all my dreams and destroyed the little self esteem I had. It takes decades to fix.
I feel the same way. Like if that was my daughter, I’d haunt that Camilla girl. She’d never know a moment of peace. I guess Renae’s parents have more grace than I do. 😅
Anyone who acts like Camilla should not be called a friend. She is simply disguised as a friend who's been an enemy all along. I'm disappointed that justice wasn't served in this case.
She sends 3 final messages to her mom, Camilla and Brayden before jumping to say she loves them and is sorry. What doesn't make sense to me is that she had already ended her relationship with Camilla and despised her for her abuse. Why would she message her and tell her she loves her? I have a weird feeling it was Camilla sending all those messages.
I am so sorry to the family for their loss. That girl should be held accountable. Idk all the details but it sounds like so much more could have been done in forensics to help. Having a teenage daughter myself, this really spoke and also broke my heart! What a tragedy!
She is a psychopath. A lot of women are, but the law only punishes physical, violent crimes. The emotional abuse, which women commit usually goes unpunished.
This is like a reminder that no matter how old your kids get. Ask about their friends. Remind them what qualities they give in a relationship/ friendship and what qualities to look for in a friend.
Why are we believing that it was suicide when her stalker friend could have killed her if they met to talk about the "Brayden" break up and Renae rejected her for good. Her behavior did not point to suicide at all
@@chrisgomez860 That's an interesting idea, because I believe she purposefully makes sure she's in areas where she can be seen by Renae's parents. I can't imagine being this mean, manipulative, and devious to people.
I hope the laws are passed to criminalize catfishing, Camellia doesn't deserve to walk free, she is a evil person. My heart breaks for Renae's family and friends, she seemed like such a beautiful person.
I don’t know how to process this… a young woman enters a committed longterm relationship with a felon, and she never, ever met this man in-person, or by voice call, or by video call… across eighteen months?? How?
Parents who want to be their kids friend before being a parent have a large part in this. You may feel like she was murdered but if her parents had prepared her for life she wouldn’t have Even been friends with this chick.
I had a "friend" similar to Camilla. She did everything in her power to completely destroy my life and it worked for many years. They count on your isolation. Exposing her behavior to our families and friends is what finally ended the lies. Years later I'm still picking up the pieces.
Me too, except it's my vulnerable narcissist wife, she had tried to isolate me by demanding all my time and creating conflict between me and those close to me, then she'd say... "You're going to choose them over your wife who loves you more than they do?!", she'd act charming and try to win them over so they'd like her more than me, if it didn't work she'd create problems out of nothing. Ugh... PTSD inducing memories😑
@@chocolar0074 Yes indeed. I divorced a couple months ago, one of us would have died if I didn't... very toxic, and of course she says I was the toxic, abusive one... no accountability😂
I had sisters who did this sort of thing... They had fake profiles. They bad mouth me, and manipulated my friends, and family. My sisters were good at projecting. I went through depression, anxiety because of them. It's true that the truth can seem stranger than fiction. What they did.. can seem unbelievable.
Are we sure Ranae isn’t locked in Camilla’s basement or something. This is terrifying and feels like a major failure of the justice system. I’m not convinced Ranae jumped nor was she the one who sent that message to her mom
As I'm watching this, since Renae's body or remains were never found, I'm wondering if Renae went "underground" and escaped to a different country faraway where she assumed a whole new name and identity to finally be free of Camila and her sick, evil, and diabolical obsession with her. It truly would be the only way she could be free of Camila, once and for all, and finally live her life in peace. This is my utmost hope for Renae, and that one day, her parents and siblings will know the joy of being reunited with her and never part again.🙏🏼🕊️
@@Joie2U that's optimistic, but not realistic... if that were the case im sure she would let her family know she's fine. But mostly, I don't feel like Camilla would warrant an " FBI secret identity", starting a new life in a new city with letting your family think you're dead.
@@patmandew22 Good, I'm glad you don't think it's realistic. Hopefully anyone who would think to do Renae harm would think the exact same thing. People do "disappear" without the help, aid, or assistance of the FBI. And yes, only her family could know her true whereabouts. It's not _entirely_ impossible. Where there's a will, there's a way. Strictly my two pesos.
@@Materialgirl_3 If you've never been harassed or bullied so badly that you needed to leave to finally escape the abuse, then yes, this would all seem illogical. That's what bullying/abuse is, illogical.
Out of all the true crime stories, this hit me in my heart.. Camilla is the definition of evil and deserves life in prison as far as I’m concerned. Absolutely disgusting. She is directly responsible for Renae’s death. 100 million %. I’m crying about this case.
@braveinternetguy I disagree. Camilla used emotional blackmail and caused so much distraught for Renae, not just for 1 relationship, BUT 3!! Her first boyfriend, the fake person along with her best friend. She robbed Renae of EVERYTHING and left her totally distraught and then stopped any and all help getting through to Renae leaving Renae totally alone and mentally unstable. Everything she knew was a total lie and then sent her family on a scavenger hunt knowing along what anguish Renae was going through. So don't be naive and victim blame. Renae's only issue was she loved and trusted an evil liar.
The erased/deleted and Renae's missing phone were to cover up murder. I feel in my gut that Renae was lured there and pushed off. When she left her home she thought she was going to meet someone or possibly him. She fully intended to be coming back home. Why would you redo/freshen up makeup and fix hair to go commit suicide by jumping in the ocean. All the family can do is know that Karma will visit Camilla. It will come with a vengeance. Along with the "reaping" You'll reap what you sew. This beautiful girl did not kill herself. 😢 Rest in Peace sweet girl. Her day will come and she'll feel it and know it.
Exactly what I said. She probably was lured in there to be pushed down the cliff and disappear the phone. Also, any agent can recover deleted data. I suspect they didn't want to go an extra mile
That is a very interesting theory they should look further into. I can’t believe it never crossed my mind, but it is very plausible. And Camila could have sent the text messages after doing it and then threw the phone off. Unfortunately any signs of a struggle on the cliff will be long gone by now, but there has to be SOME way to recover the deleted text messages.
Great parenting. She drops a good man that truly loved her for Chad that's in prison for manslaughter. Yeah, not hard to see what direction this would go. Real world.
There was a similar case like this in the US. Teenage girl commited suicide , because her catfish BF broke up with her and called he ungodly names. Turns out it was her Best friends mother who was the catfish. They were also neighbors and family friends. After everything came out, they couldn't press charges either. The catfish even tried to sue the died girls parents!! Time for new laws that apply to the times. Prayers for all families dealing with suicide
My mom was catfished for 5 YEARS by ONE person she thought was her friend! It took that long for her to realize the truth! This sick woman never even asked for money so she did it for the thrill sick
@@LoveLupe300 She found forged news articles by comparing them to the originals she looked up the people who were fake this person made up...this person was supposedly dying and then at the end she never did...and a lot more. It was crazy
@@LoveLupe300 This person was pretending to be like 4 other ppl such as a nurse and doctor plus the person wasn't even in our country they lived in Canada I think it was some sort of experiment or something by this deranged lunatic so sad actually
What injustice. If her body was not recovered, how do they know she went over the edge? And it wasn't staged. Camilla is guilty. This case should be reopened. Rip Renae 🙏 condolences to her family.
Men in prison do not dump any woman. They are desperate to have someone on the outside. There should be a pretty severe punishment for a crime like this. Camilla seems to want attention so badly.
I didn't know inmates were allowed cell phones and internet access? I've known people in jail in Utah,USA and Las Vegas NV and they were not allowed to have them.
There was no cellphone in jail , because there was no Braden in jail. Braden was Camilla and no one was ever in jail. It was a lie and a ruse made by Camila.
My heart goes out to everyone who gets affected by catfishing. Please do your homework on anyone you meet online. Praying for everything and everyone 🙏😥
This girl should be locked up..Complete sociopath behavior..and to think she has a husband and children. I met someone that acted nice, was texting and calling me, I thought it was a little much..I ignored my intuition..I ended up regretting..in a short time period, I gave up my home of 12 years, my city , family & friends..he played so many psychological games I nearly went insane, bruising appeared on my body and hairloss.. attempted to live with him..he was cheating and would leave his house for hours..I found out much more..this was just the beginning.. It took me 5 times to really be done, he was always seeing someone as well. I moved in with family in the area.. Another yr and 4 months passed before I got out with my life..he was very mean too. This was all hidden from others. His mom and family think he's someone who is great..this nearly drove me crazy. I'm still not back in my city. I'm very depressed and had worked so hard in my life . I can't wait until the girl in the video go to jail for cat fishing the way she did. And the guy I unfortunately was fooled by get a criminal charge
@@okgirl64 Anyone delusional enough to think they can pray for “everything and everyone” needs to back up just a tad and get over themselves. That’s number one. Number two, last time I checked, freedom of speech was still somewhat of a thing so I went ahead and exercised mine. Is that ok with you? Obviously you didn’t notice Satoshi Nakamoto’s post before mine. He clearly agrees with me.
@MsAnnThrope when commenting directly is common to tag or highlight their name . Your comment comes in right after mine and I'm notified that I received a comment In which case makes no relevance Obviously
This is murder! At the very least this is coercion, stalking and mind control. Pure and simple. No difference from the case in the states where the girl told the boy to commit suicide over and over again and then he did. This is not something as a parent I would let go. The marriage this person is in is nothing but a rouse and a cover for her. I’m extremely outraged that she is not being held criminally responsible. She deserves brass justice. She is a psychopath and needs to be dealt with before she hurts someone else.
@@elizabethmcleod246 Not familiar with that case. Irellevant. No body. No proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT this was a murder. That is why the gov't didn't pursue a murder charge. It is a matter of law not your 'feelings'. I don't want the State having the ability to put people away forever on theories and feelings.
Who leaves shoes before committing suicide by jumping off a cliff? It's odd. What if she was dragged (she lost her shoes during that) and pushed off the cliff? Remember when she told her mother that her friend tried to kill her? She was abused by her friend several times prior to that. Physically her friend was much bigger. She can't fight her. The last moments with the mother and the scenes at the cliff with some text messages leaves so many questions. I don't think it's a suicide.
After watching this it just seems odd but then again no leaving the shoes behind is somthing i dont understand but sadly it happens ..there was a suicide at my job and security had footage of it ..the young man walked all the way up the stairway took his shoes off and placed them down nicely then jumped ..
About 10minutes in & I can just feel Braydon isn't real & Camilla set this up & is responsible for everything then I came to the comments & how was she not charged, its clear shes involved in many ways! Unbelievable!
Camilla is a cold hearted witch! She didn’t even bother moving away to another town and Renee’s poor family has to run into her while going about their daily lives. I would get a mega phone and yell “psycho murderer” every time I saw her, if I lived in that town.
When narcissists do things like this they stay in the same area because they want to control the family. They want to control their feelings and the situation. If she moved away, she could not control the narrative any longer. And narcissists can’t live without control.
Thi so-called friend is an evil person, Is there a way you can sue for wrongful death. Camila has ruined your family's lives. My prayer and heart go out to you guys. God will punish her what goes around comes around
There had to be something underlying. I cannot imagine anyone getting this wrapped up in someone they've never met or even talked to?? A friend of mines daughter took her own life over a boy. This is absolute madness. Young girls shouldn't be this affected by early relationships. If you're reading this and are so invested in a relationship that you would consider ending your life over it, get help NOW. You will destroy your life and everyone else's around you over nothing.
The passionate feelings I had for my First Love, I've never had since. I have always had extreme moods: one friend (a psychiatric nurse) diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. I understand the suicidal impulse during times of great misery.
Teenage mood, hormones, brain chemistry dynamics are sooooo powerful and misunderstood. Very powerful and impactful. Think about how many true crime shows you’ve seen where teen girls murder their parents for opposing undesirable boyfriends.
What a horrible, Heart-breaking and Sad Case. May Beautiful Renae REST IN HEAVENLY PEACE. PRAYERS FOR RENAE'S FAMILY & FRIENDS. THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS CASE. JOB WELL DONE.
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If you can’t FaceTime someone or see them in person, that’s a HUGE red flag. Period.
Especially after your friend breaks up your perfect relationship and then sets you up with someone you've never met, never mind the fact that he's in prison. The whole story is fishy af and Camila is a psycho
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That also goes for if you've seen them before, but then they ghost, or play Narcissist games. Been through both. Never been worth it....not even close.
The dad. Should a known better
Their police department needs a tech guy. How embarassing that a 13 year old found a way to crack open the case?
and how come they couldnt find the deleted messages, isnt there always an IT trace of everything??
😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same
PD's simply can't pay the $100 per person app fee. They can do this, but taxpayers can't afford this b.s.
@Lisa Jones Depending on your carrier, it gets deleted pretty quickly.
@@user-gj1me4mf5c I hope you're being sarcastic, right?
The fact Camilla was not charged of ANYTHING is absolutely despicable.
lol how going to charge someone if there no law has been broken. yes, I think should she pay for something, but you have to look at it if you were on a jury. it never be in the court cuz she didn't break the law
There’s Justice and there’s Justice. Had it been one of my kids God help her.
I think she probably pushed her
Camilla pushed her!
Make vigilantism great again.
The saddest part about Renee’s passing is, that she was robbed of a possibly wonderful life with this sweet soul Angus.
I was thinking the same thing .
Oh wow she ruined everything for her
Why break up a wonderful relationship your in without any investigation or proof something wrong was being done? Makes no sense to me.
Well she killed herself over a dude she never met. Over an online boyfriend…. I don’t feel bad. Look what she did to her family. Selfish.
That relationship was just crazy🤨
Wait. It's believed that she threw her own phone over before jumping, but purposely left behind her OLD phone, a valentine from "brayden" & a msg on her window dirt "I love you brayden" to make sure everyone knows she did this over heartbreak for "brayden"? NO ONE thinks Camila lured her there & pushed her over, then sent 3 messages from her phone & threw that over as well? Why would she have done her makeup if she was planning to jump?
Wow... that's a plausible theory.
This makes sense.
Good point. That, to me, makes more sense!
Very good point..I’m curious if they’ve thought about that. Cuz that definitely makes sense.
Sadly, there has been cases where some people (mainly women) who commit sui$!de will get dressed and do their makeup before taking pills to od.
Camilla can't just walk away from this as a free woman. She has to be treated the same as a male stalker. This beautiful family deserve justice. Shame on the Australian justice system!
@@NonWokeOr the same criminal penalties in any case.
Female privilege is not only real, it can be easily proven by family court, divorce court, alimony, criminal penalties, etc. Basically anything men and women use together, women are at a significant and easily tracked advantage.
Agree….I’m so confused why the police didn’t freeze her phone acct, or charge her with premeditated manslaughter. She literally planned everything out then mentally abused /controlled her to her death.
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@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916sorry dude, there is no female privilege in family court issues - it's CHILD PRIVILEGE
Men enter court complaining about the loss of ownership and their personal rights INSTEAD of speaking to the rights of the child to know it's father...
Most men only want custody to control or harm the wife for leaving them...
Judges give the main caregiver of the child custody...and do you know why? Besides being lazy parents 99% of men do not know their own children's birthdates, they do not know their children's full legal names, nor their ages, they don't know the doctors, or teachers names, allergies, medications, or the names of their teachers or friends...
Dad's know very little about their own kids because dad's are lazy parents who only need to show up to get kudos, women on the other hand spend 24/7/365 days a year with their children...
Men are selfish parents who always put their own needs before the children...
Children raised by single fathers are raised by babysitters, or dad's latest squeeze, grandma or strangers...these fathers are so selfish they would deny their own children the love and care of a mother...
Why not? Guys have been using gay privileges over straights for ever...
The first cat fisher killed the man with his car, he got free surgery, transitioned into a woman and then was given woman of the year award...
A MAN named Chris Jenner...he was caught and feared being exposed, so he waited for the man to leave his house and ran him over with his car...he got a free pass...even won awards and over 1 million dollars for free surgeries...
Sure sounds like gay privilege to me...
Deleted text messages can be easily recovered. What is the Australian police doing?!?!
Failing, obviously.
Not always. Several factors depend on that
@@bookofthewarsofthelord9273 Like what?
Exactly
her new phone was not found. it was probably lost in the sea. so they couldn’t recover it. Her old was in the car.
Watching this has me stunned. I once had an obsessive friend swoop into my life, love bomb me, and try to break up the best relationship of my life. Thankfully I listened to my husband and got rid of her. It chills me looking back at her calculated behaviour.
So sad for Renae,and her family, for what that evil girl did.
And imagine if that person had known you well since childhood. So much information to use in their manipulating. Ugh
Wish my ex had been like you. But sadly she was easily swayed. She made a "friend" online and not long after our marriage ended.
classic narcissistic behavior
This is why it’s so important to build up your child’s self esteem so they know they don’t deserve to be treated any kind of way by “friends”
I've never been thru domesticcience ,and i don't understand it,why they stay. I say they are weak
@@cristooreal7996 Well you've never been through it, so it's probably not your place to give an opinion
@@cristooreal7996well there you go, you’ve never been through it. Let me help you with some insight. The part your missing is the abusers most powerful weapon. It’s called “cognitive dissonance” this is where there are two statements that are in direct contradiction with one another but both are equally true to the person experiencing them. A good example of this would be maybe the nurse that smokes. They know it’s bad for them, they plan to quit, but daily life and the stress of their high demand job, they think “it’s ok for a bit longer bc i need to get to XYZ point to quit”. Gaslighting is the other powerful tool they all use. It’s part of how they wear their victims down and skew reality. This is a slow process. If it was a fast process, anyone would see it plain as day and run. In the real world, it’s a slow, painful and methodical process.
DV survivors are in fact some of the strongest people you will ever meet. We’ve stared hell in the face and those of us that are lucky, escape alive. We use our stories to help educate people like you and help other survivors escape. Real life DV isn’t like the movies. Our abusers are charming, most of the time they are very intelligent, they wear a facade and mask in every public encounter. The mask is who we fall in love with. By the time it’s clear there’s a problem, many of us are trapped. Bc what narcissists and abusers do is systematically tear you down and back you into a corner. They choose their victims bc their victims are genuinely everything the narcissist could never be. They are light, they are empathy, they are love that’s immeasurable. It starts small enough. Placing doubt that sounds like loving concern that touches your self esteem first, they are masters of triangulation. The reason so many get caught up is because these abusers have their entire lifetime of practicing these toxic manipulations and masks and the victims are engaging in what they believe to be the best or healthiest relationship they have ever had in the beginning. It’s part of that mask and carefully curated. Then they will start slowly taking over every aspect. Financial, social etc. this is called “goalpost shifting”. By the time we realize something is wrong, many of us are so scared, don’t have full access to our funds, or children that they threaten to weaponize.
I would implore you to do some research on survivor accounts and how it actually happens rather than making statements from your very limited scope that add to the stigma and harm of actual abuse survivors trying to escape. You haven’t lived it. And I hope you get to continue your bubble where you haven’t experienced it. But just know, it can easily happen to you. You think it can’t and you’re untouchable? You might be at the most risk for it happening with that mindset. That’s how we miss the red flags. Stay safe and blessed and think twice before you put words I to the world on an experience you have never lived 🙏🏼❤️
@@stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216 right on point. I experienced it and this is exactly what it is. That's why is so hard to let go. Add trauma bond also. People miss the good times and tend to ignore the bad times.
It's called self-esteem for a reason and not us-esteem, you give them positive affirmation so they don't look for validation outside of themselves. Self-esteem comes from within not from without.
It’s pretty brilliant how her dad analyzed the messages for patterns in communication.
It is
It's a shame the family had to do everything--searched and found her shoes, found the pattern in the texts, found the app to unlock her phone...😢 They should be commended on their perseverance!
And to the 13 year old who helped crack the code.
Yes he loved her and care not like the police
I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be so wicked. I hope she is haunted by her actions for the rest of her life.
What a despicable human.
I can’t believe someone married that evil woman, how will their children feel when they learn the truth about their mother!
RIP kind soul. Sending love to your friends and family. ❤❤ keep fighting for justice. xxxxx
This case is so sad. This is why we need very strong laws against stalking in all it's forms.
I can't believe they gave her immunity without knowing everything first. I'm so sorry for your loss it's heart breaking
what would you like be done to her there no laws have been broken? you can't charge someone cuz you feel like they should be in prison?
The fact that this can’t be shown in Australia, where it should be viewed the most, is at least concerning and speaks volumes of their authorities
Why can't it be shown there
@@agirlnamedtomm940 RUclips’s local policies in Australia and New Zealand. If you go to this channel’s community tab, their second newest post (about this video) says they’re sorry to the people living there because it can’t be shown there
She chose a bad boy that she never met over a real guy who was treating her good.
@@piroko13 OH MY GOSH !! That's absolutely insane that this cannot be shown there !! WOW ! I honestly can't wrap my mind around that ,, I don't understand why .. it makes this story even more sad 😟
Im in Canada all it shows is sensitive content and to click if i want to continue then it works
The fact that anyone would marry Camilla and have children with her after all of this is bizarre to me. Not only does the family need to get justice but I’m concerned for the children she’s raising
She's crazy
She will destroy their lives, one way or another. Narcissists abuse everyone in their path. Every human is just another appliance to be used. HG Tudor is a great source of education on this. Wouldn't be surprised to find that she used pregnancies to ensnare her victim.
I personally know one who used 8 children to ensnare her victims.
Karla Homolka has kids and volunteered at her kids school when they were young
She is evil
Like the Casey Anthony case.
I think it takes someone who has an open heart to everyone, obviously, to be open to hearing their side of the story, and I'm sure Camilla had painted a prettier picture for him.
My dad also took his life, the day after my mom passed away, and his body wasn't recovered either. My heart really goes out to these parents. That's closure you really need and never get. 💔💔💔
So sorry for your loss 💔 😿
Suicidal is a demonic spirit. Me as a Christian believer in the bible says that we have to have a break through to all them generational courses so it won’t continue with following our next generations. Only Jesus Christ who died in the cross and was raised from the death can help us break those generational courses from our lives for good and only through him we will also have eternal life so sick your salvation. Jesus loves you ❤
Wow. So sorry to read this... heartbreaking.. my condolences
I’m so sorry 😞
got chills reading this. i can’t even comprehend the pain. my condolences, love, and light.
Camila knew what Rene’s insecurities were. I feel like Rene struggled with low self-worth and Camilla knew this. One thing I know is that NO ONE GETS AWAY WITH ANYTHING. Rest in peace Rene.
Angus looks so happy when he talks about her! He just glows! This thing is SO messed up. I hope Camila gets hers, soon. She's pure evil.
He was still holding out hope, he talks like he's still in love with her, so sad. That was wifey right there😢
@@Leosmommy19 Ikr?😢😢
You know shes just controlling her new husband, and anyone else she can. She is a manipulator, and craves any attention and control she can get, she loves the power over others.
I feel so sorry for him, for them both & what could have been..
He will forever be affected by this. And for what... This sick womans greed
@@primesspct2 i bet she will never ever stop..
Ive watched a lot of true crime and 48 hours. This one for me goes to the next level of psychopathic behavior. To betray somebody for so long in such an intimate way is hard to understand.
Ikr?? That girl was evil beyond words - then rakes her over the coals when she is already dead. SHAMEFUL B___CH!😡
Envy on steroids...
You can see clearly the victim was much prettier than the attacker.
When you have a deceptive criminal mind jealousy is seeing.
Blessings to victim and family of victim!
Livegore is better. No lying narration just raw footage. This is feeble
@@VICTORIA-rf8pd
Oh yes, she was obsessively, bitterly jealous of the much prettier, more attractive beautiful soul that Renaé was .. so she set out to torment and literally hounded the girl to death .
Seems Camilla was infatuated with Renaé and expressed "love" by pretending to be male .
Let's hope someone is keeping a close eye on it, and her children, maybe the mother-in-law or her own Mum, who know how dangerous she can be, after watching this video ..
❤🕊Renae🕊❤
Imagine ending your life for someone you have never been with in your life, not a call, just texting! It makes me wonder about her sense of self-worth, self- esteem....and this relationship with her family. So weird!
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All for a felon lol, why she couldnt choose some regular guy, oh yeah hes too boring lol
@@edwardr9130right. I just don't get it.
Yeah, makes zero sense. She spent 1.5 years texting someone she's never heard, let alone seen.
@@titonik9290her mom said it "we are accepting". Dont judge on display.
The police could have recovered that phone data. What a failure they are to this family 😢
I was wondering about that. I have seen crime documentaries where the text data can be recovered from the company, so I can't believe they were not able to retrieve the texts the day she died and have the evidence they needed to prosecute that pig monster.
@@commonsense2680The police were incompentant. A $100 paid app to do what they could not is proof.
how cops going recovered the phone data if it not there. yes, it sad what happen to her but there no evidence and she didn't break any laws. you can't put someone in prison cuz you think they should be in prison it doesn't work that way.
@@funtyes1970 Cant speak for other countries, but in the US the phone carriers retain text, images and the cell tower it passed though up to a certain time limit.
The way her first bf lit up and the way his voice seemed to dance when he remembered the first day he met her. 😢
Crazy.. That girl wasn’t stronger mentally and was manipulated.
I know they looked like a good couple together and Camilla couldn't stand it
So she threw her phone, then jumped? Gimme a break man. Sounds to me like Camilla set it all up. I don’t for a second believe that Renae jumped. Camilla made sure the phone would never be found, and probably murdered Renae. I cannot believe how quick the Police are to dismiss all of this. What a fkn disgrace!! My heart goes out to this family. Oh the grief and pain they live with, day in and day out. I’m so sorry!
Lazy cops 😮
My red flag went off when the narrator said "best friend of 5 years".
It's a weird sentence. Most people's best friends are who they knew from childhood. I'm only a few minutes in but it sounds like Camille is Brayden.
@@williamblackfyre4866 You nailed it!! That’s why we must always trust our guts/radar! Yours is on point!
@williamblackfyre4866 me and my best friend now of 10 years met at age 25...we didn't know one another as children....that's a weird thing to say
Did they even try looking into her best friend or look somewhere for more evidence where the phone is or if a body ever washed up this is all wrong 😢
After years and years of watching true crime, this one takes the cake! It is unfathomable that Camilla wasn’t charged. Very disturbing. Deleted messages can be obtained. This police department is just inept.
Who knows if something deeper has been going on. I mean, who's this Camilla woman, who're her family and their links .......... Powerful people? Just saying
How can she be charged if she didn't commit a crime? Not to mention, if Brady had been a real person the result would have been exactly the same
To The Marsden Family:
In the chance that you may see and read the comments pertaining to this video, your daughter and/or sister, I want to say a few things to you.
First and most importantly, I am so deeply sorry for your loss and I would like to send my condolences. Watching this video and hearing the heinousness of the actions/ manipulation that this evil woman has done angers my soul deeply!! 😔😢
Next I would like to say that I will be praying for y'all! May the Holy Spirit fill each of your hearts with comfort, grace, mercy, and strength! 🙏
I have a hard time believing Camilla didn’t directly kill Renae. Renae found out the truth and Camilla made it look like Renae was suicidal.
That is exactly what happened.
I was just thinking this right here. I think Camilla killed Renae. When the host stated that Renae may have thrown her phone before she jumped, I thought to myself - no she was killed and Camilla got rid of Renae's phone. Camilla may think she got away with everything, but karma comes out of nowhere when you least expect it.
She did. Camilla killed Renae.
That's a really good thought!
Yes. Who redoes their makeup and fixes their hair with the intention of jumping off a cliff?
This is by far the most disturbing thing I've ever seen... And I binge watch crime stories. This is so horrific. I am truly shook.
Really? The woman had to have some sort of mental illness to kill herself over some guy in jail she has never met or spoke to..
Me too.....
Quite the promo.
I'll continue 😮
Oh, same here. I feel horrible for the parents.
Exactly 😳
You cannot have a relationship or love someone you have never met. Why did her parents not question this? Social media and the Internet has a lot to answer for. Without that none of these things would happen.
It always happened, albeit in different ways
these parents are terrible
I feel terribly sorry for Renae and her family 🕊 Renae seems like she was sunshine in human form. That wasn't a suicide, Camila murdered her out of jealousy. The fact that Camila is married with kids, living as if nothing happened... That's the life Renae would've deserved. When her brother started crying I lost it... 😢 The laws are ridiculous, Camila deserves jail. I can't imagine the pain her family, friends and her long term boyfriend are going through. I wish them all the best and I hope they know that Renae and what happened to her will never be forgotten. 🤍🕊
And for the people blaming Renae herself: Camila manipulated and threatened her over years. Do y'all know what that does to a person? Renae wanted to be loved, that's all. She would've never killed herself if it wasn't for Camilla. RIP beautiful soul. ⭐
How can Australia NOT access text messages that have been deleted? Nothing is ever deleted! The tech work on this was infuriating all the way around.
Facts. Only in Australia can you can actually coherence someone to commit Suicide And not be victimized or charged for the merciless cause of the Death of the person you literally Murdered. Outrageous.
And why not use two separate phones? If she only used one then the messages would have shown to have come from the same phone number. Camilla's phone number. Plus if she had used two then she could have overlapped the the messages from her and Brayden. Heck, not overlapping them is how the idea of Renae being catfished first got started.
Australia needs more technology and new laws immediately. This is so outrageous.
I was wondering about that. I didn't think they were that backwards.
That was the saddest story. I've never heard anything like this before. You need signatures or help to get this law I'm in
This is not a suicide. This is murder in plain sight
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Camilla pushed her to the water !!!
The easiest way to defeat your enemy is to have your enemy destroy itself from within.
Anyone else want to know exactly where Camilla was that night?
Even if they don’t hv access to the texts, they have access to the towers where Camilla’s phone pinged from.
They found shoes but no other evidence? My conspiracy theory is that Camilla met Renee at the Gap, drove her somewhere else, killed her , then went back to the Gap throwing the phone in the ocean and leaving the shoes on the beach .
I think they will find Renee’s remains somewhere far away from the Gap.
She killed her, period! That girl was over there and killed her and left her phone at home and took her to the bridge or the side of the road and dumped her
Seeing Renae’s brother fight to hold back his tears broke my entire heart. This poor sweet loving family did not deserve this horrific torment. Camilla doesn’t deserve the life she currently has after everything she did to Ranae and her family. It’s disgusting!
This is sad. This is a prime example of parents wanting to be their daughter's friend and not wanting her to be upset with them, instead of stepping in after (s) he initially disrespected the mom. My mom was very intuitive and thankfully spoke up when she had a "weird feeling " about someone. Also, who would condone their daughter dating someone in prison? So unfortunate this happened 😞. Rest in peace Renee 🙏 ❤.
I absolutely agree!
When her daughter needed guidance and support she wasn’t there to give it for fear of upsetting her.
I have no issue with telling my kids the hard truths of life and I won’t co-sign any BS. That’s why we are so close and they come to me for everything.
They know I always have their best interest at heart
Give them a break for god sake. This was carried out very seekly by a childhood 'friend'. Taking to much control of a child's life can also have damaging longterm effects.
Daughter dating a criminal in jail , person she never met. So many red flags and the parents are supportive to this craziness? Can’t believe this madness. She looked like a sweet angel who needed serious help.
It's obvious that the evil Camila was jealous of Renae's looks, personality and relationship with Angus. What a diabolical crime.
and was obsessed with her
I think Camila loved Renae but Renae wasn’t going to love her that way. What a coward and a monster ❤. Hope she stays away from humans she needs to be in a mental facility.
120%
Shes evil and demonic
Yes, so sad
The police there were so lazy, they wouldn't even try to retrieve the messages from the phone, and the bereaved family had to ask a 13-year-old boy to do that for them. The police didn't investigate the possibility of Camila luring Renae to the cliff, murdering Renae, and making it look like a suicide.
Camila tried to kill Renae before. Just like a comment below said: what if Renae didn't commit suicide? After Camila pushed Renae over the cliff, Camila deleted all the messages on Renae's phone that showed how Camila lured Renae to come to the cliff (Renae did her hair and makeup, so maybe to see "Braydon"?), Camila sent the suicide texts with Renae's phone, and put all the fake "evidence" that Renae took her own life over "Braydon" (with the dying message on the car's window, old Valentine's card). Camila might have gotten away with murder.
This makes so much sense to me.
There’s No Brayden, There’s a Camila! It is/was her ALL along!!!!
@@wiztribe I think what she’s saying is that maybe Camilla sent Renae a message as “Braydon” saying he was going to meet her to lure her to the cliff to push her off
Unbelievable...😢
I want to send my sincere condolences to the Marsden family who seem like very nice, down-to-earth and pure people. They didn't deserve what this monster did to their daughter, and this case has touched me so much that it brought me to tears. I'm going to mention Renae to everyone so that my family and friends remember her name and become aware of the evil, shady world of catfishing.
I can't believe they're unable to charge catfishers as it should be a criminal offence with all the damage it causes😢camilla is a disgusting human being
lol how they going to charger her? there no laws have been broken. if they charge her, her lawyer will have a field day with this case it would be an easy win. I'm just speaking the truth. there 0 evidence against her that why cops needed text messages.
Shame on the judge and authorities who so-called handled this case. You have failed this family 💔
Big time; they totally ignored the fact that camila may have killed renae and sent all those text messages using renaes phone and then threw the phone in the lake where it could never be found. This woman is evil and should have been punished.
Why couldn’t she block her tho and she didn’t have to kill herself over it
@@ronniemead805 I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did indeed push Renae off that cliff or killed her somewhere else and placed her shoes at the cliff top.
Karma never sleeps they will suffer
@@Arkengelso now we protect the criminals under the guise of illness, ridiculous
Those parents are SOO strong. They've never recovered their daughter's body. The one shot they had to open an investigation was Camila's phone and that fell through. And the fact that they never saw any justice and still run into that POS in supermarkets! Omg the fact that they are still standing, God bless them. R.I.P Renae.
Karma will get her
Plus she is ugly and unhappy
Agreed! As a mother I'd be a basket case probably, and I'm usually the strong one in situations!
Rip 🙏💐🌹May God bless this family
If they were so strong they would have never let their daughter date a guy in prison or would have seen the 100 red flags and intervened.
@@jacobpotter2237 I agree. I think they're terrible parents. She says 'Brayden' sent a nasty text to her and she let it go. There can be no place for accepting that level of disrespect towards parents. She should have told Renea that she is forbidden to continue with him if she wants to have a relationship with her mother - her 'best friend.' It is a parents job to discipline and teach their children, not allow them to bring ruin onto themselves.
I had heard of this story but this was a really good deep dive into the case. Very well done. Camilla is evil. I feel so bad for this family.
As a father of 2 young women, this story both broke my heart and infuriated me. And seeing how heart broken her baby brother is made it hurt even more. Excellent journalism.
I have a hard time believing that she took her own life. I immediately felt in my gut that Camilla had something physically to do with her ‘jumping’. When a woman has a broken heart, the first thing they do is go to their best friend. How do they not know that Camilla and her met at that spot or something? This is infuriating!
Now that makes more sense and could possibly be so. That's what I was thinking as well...how do they know she jumped! Camilia seems very unhinged and honestly I'm not sure why their friendship lasted so long. This story is very bizarre.
Exactly what I thought. Why wouldn’t the text alarm her?
I Agree !
This though I thought too.
We would all go to our best friend….. I think like others as well, she maybe didn’t commit suicide. This needs further investigation… I hope they reopen this case.
A few years ago a friend of mine started behaving strangely and looked very depressed. I asked him about it and he said he’s fine. I didn’t believe him though so I dug a little deeper and he just told me he’s been sad lately and told me not to tell anyone. I went and got my phone and texted both of his parents IMMEDIATELY! He was mad that I did that but I will never mess around with that kind of stuff. He’s doing very well now. Happy as ever
You’re a good friend. I would have done the same. Keeping secrets can be deadly. I wish everyone would care as much as you do. ❤
Good Friend!
How incredibly brave of you to jump right at that point and probably have a bit to do with his happiness now! People don't take other people's opinions about themselves seriously until disaster/accident happens! God Bless
Thank God you did that! Too many people don't want to overstep..... We need to! ❤️
So many red flagsssss
Your friend ruins your good relationship.
Then goes onto set you up with a man in prison for manslaughter. That's no friend.
Why did she even continue being friends with her?
Sooooo many questions 😑
Based on Camile's obsession with Rene I wouldn't be surprised if Rene picked
her up that day, the break up, drove her to the "Gap" + pushed her in. That goes so
perfectly with her obsession.
Did they ever look into this as murder? Was she pushed instead of jumped? It all seems so staged to me. The text messages, the writing on the car window, the fact that her phone was also tossed. She might have literally gotten away with murder by making it only look like suicide.
Wow, that would actually make more sense! 😮
Yes! Omg the writing on the window was so weird!!!!
yea i dont believe she jumped because this guy she never met wants to end things, would guess camilla did it, pushed her :( so sad and crazy.
I do believe Camilla sent that text to the mother to set the stage and then committed the murder..probably luring her there as the friend trying to comfort her after a bad breakup. I strongly feel it was murder.
I never thought of that. Wow. Seems like this did happen 😢
Couple of thoughts:
1) This was NOT an ordinary friendship. There was a very deep emotional, abusive connection between these two women. Most friendships develop and dissolve fairly naturally without an overt effort to "break up" and as many women know, most of the time when a friendship inevitably ends, there is RARELY any closure or official acknowledgement of it ending. The fact that she felt that she needed to wait until C was out of the country to break it off speaks volumes about the nature of their relationship. It was an abusive situation, NOT a friendship.
2) I think it's highly possible she actually did find out that C was the "boyfriend" and whatever emotions and feelings she was experiencing (anger, disgust, fear, shame, sadness, etc) were the final catalyst that resulted in her taking her life.
3) As someone else mentioned, C murdered her and made it appear that it was a suicide. Judging by the effort she put into this elaborate scheme, it is definitely a viable possibility that she murdered this girl.
It is so incredibly sad.
Fully agree with point number 2. That was my main thought watching this whole thing. Earlier in the video it even said Rene told her mom she realized what Brayden was all about. 4:05. I think it’s highly probable the lost 91 messages would reveal that Camila had told Rene and that that’s what pushed her over the edge. Rene probably felt it was her only way out from Camila, and just the weight of Camila’s abuse and manipulation.
Agree with everything you said 100%. Like why would Renee just leave her shoes behind? And I’m sure Camilla tossed the phone in the water. But the police should easily be able to retrieve all deleted messages and all messages on the missing phone.
Agree
@@redpillyoass5894
There are so many "experts" on here. This was 2013. If the average Joe who becomes a Congressman can't differentiate between wifi and an app during fb & tiktok hearings, why is everyone shocked that the average Joe policeman couldn't recover deleted texts in 2013? OF COURSE it took a 13-yr-old Zoomer to figure it out.
I've been friends with a woman I met when I was 12 & I'm 50 now, so I disagree that friendships "inevitably" end. Maybe in the age of social media, but we don't all behave like this. I DO agree that the "official" ending of a friendship is unusual for a woman.. It struck me as so unusual that I almost believed Camila's version of events-until that "Sleep with C/NO." text exchange. I hadn't considered the idea that Camila killed her, but that explains why she looked so evil to me!
The strength of the Marsdens is extraordinary and beautiful..
That girl Camilla most definitely had more to do with Renee's death than just catfishing. I believe she very well could have pushed that girl over that cliff after Renee found out the truth. The entire "I love Brayden" written on her windows on her car could have been written by Camilla. I cannot believe that the Australian police won't prosecute her or show the Australian public this video.
I think it's because they don't want to have any accountability to their OWN failures. Infuriating 🤬
Very possible and they can’t even retrieve the messages before the “suicide”
The way someone falls tells you how someone died.
Cruel 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Camilla
The other thing is that the Inn was written backwards and that's exactly how Camila writes her ends because she is dyslexic. Absolutely no doubt that Camilla sent those final farewell messages to her mom after she murdered her daughter. Their justice department is lacking in so many areas. First thing the police do is subpoena phone records after a suspicious unwitnessed death. Just shortly before this incident she told Camilla she didn't want to have anything more to do with her. The last thing Camila wanted is to be cut out of the position of Master puppeteer. If someone tells you that you're no longer in charge of pulling the strings then you will lose control of that situation and this psychotic criminal was obsessed with control.
Catfishing, scamming, and hacking should be illegal. It should also come with very severe consequences in court.
Correction: as someone pointed out to me these things are illegal, but I what I was trying to say is that it’s not taken as seriously as it should be in many cases.
Especially if it causes someone to commit suicide. In the US can't someone be charged for malicious ly deceiving? Like people that bully others online and they commit suicide can be charged with something right?
Yes agree totally. Yet it happens daily
It is, it’s called impersonation.
I believe all you pointed out IS illegal.
@@Lisa.Lucier It is, but not really unforced as it should be. I should’ve worded that differently.
My heart absolutely breaks for these parents. How incredible to see a marriage persevere through something so inconceivably traumatic.
How could Renee be so unbelievably gullible??! I feel sorry for her mother… she told her about the abuse! As a parent I would have made my daughter get a restraining order. Like what did the mother do with the abuse information?? How did that conversation go?
Restraining order came to my mind as well
she was in on it, I believe they were in a relationship with each other.
@Marlaina that's why they made up renae together.
Calling her “gullible” is insensitive, no?
When you have a pure heart you never see the manipulation because you would never do that yourself ❤❤❤❤❤
This case is so heartbreaking. What this monster did to this girl was so sick!! She is really a monster. I feel so horrible for the parents.
Agreed ... her name even eerie sounding like Camila Syaitan. What a sick fcuk culture in 'cat fishing'🤬
I feel sorry for her kids... I feel sorry for her husband there names are always going to be tarnished ... he should leave and take the kids with him get rid of that monster her name should be plastered around this should be shared to her Facebook sent to the kids school and also the husbands work albeit I'm making innocent victims suffer but then she's be suffering more
@@maggieferris8155 i was hopping karma would kick in and she would be misserable. instead she lives on and gets to do all that renee wanted to do.
She needs to be charged for what she did and go to court and from there she needs to be incarcerated in a mental institution for the rest of her life. I don't understand how the laws that be could not find something to charge her with it's just incredibly amazing that she can get by with this but yet Renee is dead. I feel such sorrow and anguish for her parents and her extended family and friends and Renee should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law
@@amc5936 absolutely devastating, but we don’t leave this world without paying for our sins. I’m sure of that, sooner or later that monster will get her turn.
How such a young sociopath narcissist can destroys someone's life without being held accounatble for her actions is outrageous
The true name for what you said she is... Is... A Narcopath
@@JennMartinello Good to know , thanks :-)
That’s Australia for you
She looks 47
@@JennMartinello Just making up labels now?... "Narcopath"😂... sure, why not lol.
I married a diagnosed narcissist... these people are poison to everyone including themselves.
Words fail me. This is so heartbreaking yet bazaar! The law 100% needs changing. I can only imagine how devastated Renae’s parents must feel. And don’t think I could be so dignified if this was one of my children. Absolutely horrendous case.
To catfish someone you don't personally know is evil and horrible but to do it to someone you physically know and not only know but are best friends with is just pure evil.There are no words for the sheer nastiness of any person who would even think about doing it let alone actually doing it.Just evil.
She killed Renae as sure as if she pushed her off the cliff. She's a rabid wolf; utterly devoid of a soul.
why would a girl consider a relationship with a guy who is in jail for manslaughter?
Because she was mentally ill and eventually committed suicide. Ultimately I see that oh so outraged mother as probably the most guilty of all the cast besides that nutcase who killed herself.
And WHY would her parents be ok with it??
And what parents would ALLOW IT. Everybody lacked common sense in that family, and the foreign predator took advantage of that.
agreed
Why would you consider suicide over someone you haven’t even FACETIMED OR MET. Girl what??????!
Such a sad situation. I wish Renae would have gotten the help that she needed. Sorry for this family's loss of a beautiful young lady.
Never underestimate the vile manipulative depths of a girlfriend to another girlfriend. I wish I had an entirely different set of girlfriends growing up as they crushed all my dreams and destroyed the little self esteem I had. It takes decades to fix.
Renee's family should protest in front of her house every week, letting people in the area know that she pushed someone to suicide purposely.
I feel the same way. Like if that was my daughter, I’d haunt that Camilla girl. She’d never know a moment of peace. I guess Renae’s parents have more grace than I do. 😅
Anyone who acts like Camilla should not be called a friend. She is simply disguised as a friend who's been an enemy all along.
I'm disappointed that justice wasn't served in this case.
She sends 3 final messages to her mom, Camilla and Brayden before jumping to say she loves them and is sorry.
What doesn't make sense to me is that she had already ended her relationship with Camilla and despised her for her abuse. Why would she message her and tell her she loves her?
I have a weird feeling it was Camilla sending all those messages.
I am so sorry to the family for their loss. That girl should be held accountable. Idk all the details but it sounds like so much more could have been done in forensics to help. Having a teenage daughter myself, this really spoke and also broke my heart! What a tragedy!
This is so incredibly sad. That girl is a psychopath and should be in prison for life. My heart breaks for Renae and her loved ones.
She is a psychopath. A lot of women are, but the law only punishes physical, violent crimes. The emotional abuse, which women commit usually goes unpunished.
@@mwpierre "a lot" of women are psychopaths? 🤦♀️🙄 Do you have a source for that? A percentage? Literally any data whatsoever?
Most fitting and best comment I've read and I'm reading lots of them with something like this. It's murder
Thank you and yes it absolutely is murder!
Yes!, and hard to believe someone married that demon. 😧
This is like a reminder that no matter how old your kids get. Ask about their friends. Remind them what qualities they give in a relationship/ friendship and what qualities to look for in a friend.
Well said!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
After the age of 21 I can no longer intervene in their life💔
That's a whole other matter...agree something was off
This takes being “ messed up “ to a whole new level!!!
Why are we believing that it was suicide when her stalker friend could have killed her if they met to talk about the "Brayden" break up and Renae rejected her for good. Her behavior did not point to suicide at all
Inconceivable that someone who killed her close friend in cold blood lives a happy life later!! The society should shame them at every opportunity.
I'd be hanging posters with camille's picture and what she did around where the monsters lives every weekend.
God will issue final justice to Camilla😅
@@chrisgomez860 That's an interesting idea, because I believe she purposefully makes sure she's in areas where she can be seen by Renae's parents. I can't imagine being this mean, manipulative, and devious to people.
@@lucille.phoenix5504 which God?
@@Quole1234the only God and God that you know is so real that the demon in you couldn’t help but to reply about.
I hope the laws are passed to criminalize catfishing, Camellia doesn't deserve to walk free, she is a evil person. My heart breaks for Renae's family and friends, she seemed like such a beautiful person.
Yes, this case really disturbed me. I was disturbed even more by this monster not being accountable
Karma has Camila's number.
@@DrLuke49 She has lived all these years with no remorse, with a family. Everything she denied Renae from. That 💀 deserves a hard carma!
@@DrLuke49 true..... and _karma_ never forgets an address.
How is Camilla an evil person due to a naive girl living in cyberspace??? Parents really need to address their daughters dating habits !😢
I don’t know how to process this… a young woman enters a committed longterm relationship with a felon, and she never, ever met this man in-person, or by voice call, or by video call… across eighteen months?? How?
She didn’t jump… she was pushed
That is NOT suicide! It’s murder. What’s wrong with the system?! That psyco belongs behind bars 🤬
She does make it happen, the people gathered can make a difference
I will never understand how people can fall in love with a person they have never met x
they were in it together, a guy in a foreign prison? gimme a break. This is all false, I believe camilla.
Happens all the time
@@Foxsuper1I thought Braden was made up
@tylynn256 yeah he was..guess that person wasn't paying attention to that part..
I’m telling you, and I got in jail that you’ll know you’ll never see
She didnt commit suicide, she was murdered.
Parents who want to be their kids friend before being a parent have a large part in this. You may feel like she was murdered but if her parents had prepared her for life she wouldn’t have Even been friends with this chick.
Im thankful for people telling me things i needed to hear. I'll take brutal honesty over a deceptive lie.
I had a "friend" similar to Camilla. She did everything in her power to completely destroy my life and it worked for many years. They count on your isolation. Exposing her behavior to our families and friends is what finally ended the lies. Years later I'm still picking up the pieces.
Me too, except it's my vulnerable narcissist wife, she had tried to isolate me by demanding all my time and creating conflict between me and those close to me, then she'd say... "You're going to choose them over your wife who loves you more than they do?!", she'd act charming and try to win them over so they'd like her more than me, if it didn't work she'd create problems out of nothing. Ugh... PTSD inducing memories😑
Divorce, it's your only option unfortunately
@@chocolar0074 Yes indeed. I divorced a couple months ago, one of us would have died if I didn't... very toxic, and of course she says I was the toxic, abusive one... no accountability😂
Sounds like you've turned yourself around for the good. Some ppl don't recognize this (or chosen not to) 💪 great job
I had sisters who did this sort of thing...
They had fake profiles. They bad mouth me, and manipulated my friends, and family. My sisters were good at projecting.
I went through depression, anxiety because of them.
It's true that the truth can seem stranger than fiction.
What they did.. can seem unbelievable.
Are we sure Ranae isn’t locked in Camilla’s basement or something. This is terrifying and feels like a major failure of the justice system. I’m not convinced Ranae jumped nor was she the one who sent that message to her mom
As I'm watching this, since Renae's body or remains were never found, I'm wondering if Renae went "underground" and escaped to a different country faraway where she assumed a whole new name and identity to finally be free of Camila and her sick, evil, and diabolical obsession with her. It truly would be the only way she could be free of Camila, once and for all, and finally live her life in peace. This is my utmost hope for Renae, and that one day, her parents and siblings will know the joy of being reunited with her and never part again.🙏🏼🕊️
@@Joie2U that's optimistic, but not realistic... if that were the case im sure she would let her family know she's fine. But mostly, I don't feel like Camilla would warrant an " FBI secret identity", starting a new life in a new city with letting your family think you're dead.
@@patmandew22 Good, I'm glad you don't think it's realistic. Hopefully anyone who would think to do Renae harm would think the exact same thing. People do "disappear" without the help, aid, or assistance of the FBI. And yes, only her family could know her true whereabouts. It's not _entirely_ impossible. Where there's a will, there's a way. Strictly my two pesos.
@@Joie2UYou people make up anything smh. That doesn’t even sound logical
@@Materialgirl_3 If you've never been harassed or bullied so badly that you needed to leave to finally escape the abuse, then yes, this would all seem illogical. That's what bullying/abuse is, illogical.
Renee looks EXACTLY like her mother!! Beautiful! Rest In peace precious Angel😢
You said in the beginning that she never met “him” in person so...that tells you everything right there
Out of all the true crime stories, this hit me in my heart.. Camilla is the definition of evil and deserves life in prison as far as I’m concerned. Absolutely disgusting. She is directly responsible for Renae’s death. 100 million %. I’m crying about this case.
No one can make someone off themselves
@braveinternetguy I disagree. Camilla used emotional blackmail and caused so much distraught for Renae, not just for 1 relationship, BUT 3!! Her first boyfriend, the fake person along with her best friend. She robbed Renae of EVERYTHING and left her totally distraught and then stopped any and all help getting through to Renae leaving Renae totally alone and mentally unstable. Everything she knew was a total lie and then sent her family on a scavenger hunt knowing along what anguish Renae was going through. So don't be naive and victim blame. Renae's only issue was she loved and trusted an evil liar.
i cried to whole the documentary, its such a shame that a beautiful girl like Renae did suicide...I hope the best for her family
The erased/deleted and Renae's missing phone were to cover up murder. I feel in my gut that Renae was lured there and pushed off. When she left her home she thought she was going to meet someone or possibly him. She fully intended to be coming back home.
Why would you redo/freshen up makeup and fix hair to go commit suicide by jumping in the ocean.
All the family can do is know that Karma will visit Camilla. It will come with a vengeance. Along with the "reaping"
You'll reap what you sew.
This beautiful girl did not kill herself. 😢
Rest in Peace sweet girl. Her day will come and she'll feel it and know it.
OMG that's what I think as well!!! She thought he was out of prison and she thought she was meeting him but Camilla killed her instead!
Exactly what I said. She probably was lured in there to be pushed down the cliff and disappear the phone. Also, any agent can recover deleted data. I suspect they didn't want to go an extra mile
Yessss I feel this too
That is a very interesting theory they should look further into. I can’t believe it never crossed my mind, but it is very plausible. And Camila could have sent the text messages after doing it and then threw the phone off. Unfortunately any signs of a struggle on the cliff will be long gone by now, but there has to be SOME way to recover the deleted text messages.
Damn! That's an angle I didn't think! Thought he was coming to finally meet her and then boom, Camilla. Nice thinking there 👌🏾
Great parenting. She drops a good man that truly loved her for Chad that's in prison for manslaughter. Yeah, not hard to see what direction this would go. Real world.
There was a similar case like this in the US. Teenage girl commited suicide , because her catfish BF broke up with her and called he ungodly names. Turns out it was her Best friends mother who was the catfish. They were also neighbors and family friends. After everything came out, they couldn't press charges either. The catfish even tried to sue the died girls parents!! Time for new laws that apply to the times. Prayers for all families dealing with suicide
My mom was catfished for 5 YEARS by ONE person she thought was her friend! It took that long for her to realize the truth! This sick woman never even asked for money so she did it for the thrill sick
Your mom. Is an idiot…. How tf u get catfished for YEARS??? Never FaceTimed or met? DUMBAZZ
😮 omg how did she find out?
@@LoveLupe300 She found forged news articles by comparing them to the originals she looked up the people who were fake this person made up...this person was supposedly dying and then at the end she never did...and a lot more. It was crazy
@@LoveLupe300 This person was pretending to be like 4 other ppl such as a nurse and doctor plus the person wasn't even in our country they lived in Canada I think it was some sort of experiment or something by this deranged lunatic so sad actually
Mother of God! People can be so evil
What injustice. If her body was not recovered, how do they know she went over the edge? And it wasn't staged. Camilla is guilty. This case should be reopened. Rip Renae 🙏 condolences to her family.
What kind of garbage "justice" system do we have in this world? How utterly repulsive & heartbreaking!
No, just in Australia.
Camilla was so jealous of this poor girl it’s sick
Men in prison do not dump any woman. They are desperate to have someone on the outside. There should be a pretty severe punishment for a crime like this. Camilla seems to want attention so badly.
Yeah so give her the attention she’ll receive in prison!
I didn't know inmates were allowed cell phones and internet access? I've known people in jail in Utah,USA and Las Vegas NV and they were not allowed to have them.
@@rjay7019 Mobile phones aren't allowed. They are normally smuggled into prison by prison staff and family/friends.
@@rjay7019 They smuggle them in, naturally. A cellphone can cost 1500 dollars or more in prison though.
There was no cellphone in jail , because there was no Braden in jail. Braden was Camilla and no one was ever in jail. It was a lie and a ruse made by Camila.
My heart goes out to everyone who gets affected by catfishing. Please do your homework on anyone you meet online. Praying for everything and everyone 🙏😥
Actually, don't go on line to meet ANYONE. Don't be a moron!!!!!🙄🙄🤬🤬
This girl should be locked up..Complete sociopath behavior..and to think she has a husband and children.
I met someone that acted nice, was texting and calling me, I thought it was a little much..I ignored my intuition..I ended up regretting..in a short time period, I gave up my home of 12 years, my city , family & friends..he played so many psychological games I nearly went insane, bruising appeared on my body and hairloss.. attempted to live with him..he was cheating and would leave his house for hours..I found out much more..this was just the beginning..
It took me 5 times to really be done, he was always seeing someone as well. I moved in with family in the area..
Another yr and 4 months passed before I got out with my life..he was very mean too.
This was all hidden from others.
His mom and family think he's someone who is great..this nearly drove me crazy. I'm still not back in my city. I'm very depressed and had worked so hard in my life .
I can't wait until the girl in the video go to jail for cat fishing the way she did.
And the guy I unfortunately was fooled by get a criminal charge
Pump the brakes there, Saint Francis of a Seesaw.
@@okgirl64 Anyone delusional enough to think they can pray for “everything and everyone” needs to back up just a tad and get over themselves. That’s number one. Number two, last time I checked, freedom of speech was still somewhat of a thing so I went ahead and exercised mine. Is that ok with you?
Obviously you didn’t notice Satoshi Nakamoto’s post before mine. He clearly agrees with me.
@MsAnnThrope when commenting directly is common to tag or highlight their name . Your comment comes in right after mine and I'm notified that I received a comment
In which case makes no relevance
Obviously
REOPEN THE CASE!! CAMILLA NEEDS INVESTIGATING!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
I hope this goes viral every year
This is murder! At the very least this is coercion, stalking and mind control. Pure and simple. No difference from the case in the states where the girl told the boy to commit suicide over and over again and then he did. This is not something as a parent I would let go. The marriage this person is in is nothing but a rouse and a cover for her. I’m extremely outraged that she is not being held criminally responsible. She deserves brass justice. She is a psychopath and needs to be dealt with before she hurts someone else.
Agreed
And she got away with it as well
Not murder. She killed herself.
@@glee21012 So did Amanda Todd in Coquitlam, BC, Canada and her cyber bully has been sent to jail for 13 years.
@@elizabethmcleod246 Not familiar with that case. Irellevant. No body. No proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT this was a murder. That is why the gov't didn't pursue a murder charge. It is a matter of law not your 'feelings'. I don't want the State having the ability to put people away forever on theories and feelings.
Who leaves shoes before committing suicide by jumping off a cliff?
It's odd. What if she was dragged (she lost her shoes during that) and pushed off the cliff?
Remember when she told her mother that her friend tried to kill her?
She was abused by her friend several times prior to that. Physically her friend was much bigger. She can't fight her.
The last moments with the mother and the scenes at the cliff with some text messages leaves so many questions.
I don't think it's a suicide.
I thought it was quite sketchy as well.... why text someone you no longer have a friendship with??? It doesn't make sense.
After watching this it just seems odd but then again no leaving the shoes behind is somthing i dont understand but sadly it happens ..there was a suicide at my job and security had footage of it ..the young man walked all the way up the stairway took his shoes off and placed them down nicely then jumped ..
I can't imagine seeing the killer free and being with a family. Absolutely disgusting.
About 10minutes in & I can just feel Braydon isn't real & Camilla set this up & is responsible for everything then I came to the comments & how was she not charged, its clear shes involved in many ways! Unbelievable!
Camilla is a cold hearted witch! She didn’t even bother moving away to another town and Renee’s poor family has to run into her while going about their daily lives. I would get a mega phone and yell “psycho murderer” every time I saw her, if I lived in that town.
Facts!!!
Every neighbor should gather and just honk at their doorstep every week
I’d spit on her. That’s how disgusting she is
When narcissists do things like this they stay in the same area because they want to control the family. They want to control their feelings and the situation. If she moved away, she could not control the narrative any longer. And narcissists can’t live without control.
Thi so-called friend is an evil person, Is there a way you can sue for wrongful death. Camila has ruined your family's lives. My prayer and heart go out to you guys. God will punish her what goes around comes around
There had to be something underlying. I cannot imagine anyone getting this wrapped up in someone they've never met or even talked to?? A friend of mines daughter took her own life over a boy. This is absolute madness. Young girls shouldn't be this affected by early relationships. If you're reading this and are so invested in a relationship that you would consider ending your life over it, get help NOW. You will destroy your life and everyone else's around you over nothing.
THIS HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN TALKED ABOUT. Grown women send their entire savings to catfishers
Just bcs you dont ubderstand it, dont make it sick. The only sick part is Camilla. Is her behaviour thats patalogical
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The passionate feelings I had for my First Love, I've never had since. I have always had extreme moods: one friend (a psychiatric nurse) diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. I understand the suicidal impulse during times of great misery.
Teenage mood, hormones, brain chemistry dynamics are sooooo powerful and misunderstood. Very powerful and impactful. Think about how many true crime shows you’ve seen where teen girls murder their parents for opposing undesirable boyfriends.
What a horrible, Heart-breaking and Sad Case.
May Beautiful Renae REST IN HEAVENLY PEACE.
PRAYERS FOR RENAE'S FAMILY & FRIENDS.
THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS CASE.
JOB WELL DONE.
The Australian judiciary system is such a big shame. Easy to get away with crimes. They need to bring in changes and start valuing human life.
This is crazy Camila killed her and covered it all up and got away with it! How is she free, that is so heartbreaking.
And the sad part is...who they killed themselves for is living and enjoying life .smho
Narcissism
Whats the fkn point of watching when there are comments LIKE THIS 🙄😡😭
@@NOHSALjust keep watching, there’s bigger things happening
@@NOHSAL then watch before reading the dam comments!!! Idiot