Nice job on the video upload and information!👍I have wanted to see one in action in the snow as the AWD hybrid is new for 2025 with the same driveline to the rear axle I assume it will preform in the same matter.
Im a big fan of systems like these that bias towards one axle. Its good enough for almost all normal conditions and has better mileage and/or longevity compared with a true full time system
Well done given the limited available technology. Two thoughts, first without having a coefficient of friction at the tires, it’s difficult to know how much shifted torque is being applied, and secondly as you mentioned, the observable shift to rear is totally dependent on the traction control side to side. Let’s do a roller test to help mitigate these problems.
We just got our first PROPER snow in about 10 years here in Central KY. I'm a FWD ecoboost owner and had to find out. How good or bad is this truck in the winter? Turns out, pretty solid for a FWD only. Put it in slipperly conditions mode and it's very easy to get around. (video on my channel)
This fast of a reaction leads me to believe that it's is not slippage based. My Kia AWD always uses all for wheels on take off. I believe the delay we are seeing is just the time it takes the torque to get through the transmission and driveshaft
The TFL guys posted their slip test video and it looks like this is how it is working. Unfortunately there is no good left/right torque conversion. This explains why you were sometimes seeing the other wheel turn earlier. Since you were running with the traction control off, it was allowing some of the torque to bleed across. Ford's TC seems to be focused on slightly slowing the slipping wheel to maintain lateral control than to slow the slipping wheel until the traction wheel gets grabs. This falls in line with other issues they have had with Ford's TC.
@@erikkovacs3097 2025 is the first model year for AWD hybrid - it uses the same independent rear as the 2.0 awd. The 22-24 are FWD only and use a torsion beam axle, that's correct.
Subaru has made plenty of cars over the years that have a default torque split of 90% to the front axle. It depends on the model. The current lineup is 60/40 for automatics and 50/50 for manuals, for non WRX vehicles. Not sure what the WRX is up to these days
The problem with Subarus is that it's an open differential system, meaning the tire with the least torque applied to it by the ground (least friction) will be the max torque the other tires have. So, for example, with that 60:40 split, if a front tire is on ice and the ice "resists" with only 6Nm of torque, then the other front tire can provide only 6Nm of torque to the ground, and the rear tires can provide only 4Nm of torque each. If the engine produces more than 20Nm of torque, all that extra force will just go into making the slipping tire spin faster. I know cars have traction systems through the brakes (and Subaru's traction control is one of the best, especially among other small CUVs), but it cannot rival an actual mechanical LSD like a Torsen.
This is great and all, but I gotta be honest... their system here doesn't even hold a 1700's colonial America butterfat candle to GM's stabilitrak, even the versions from 2005 era... I've got a 2005 Escalade EXT w/ the 6.0 LQ9, 4L65E, and their AWD system... Combined with auto leveling air shocks in the rear, active suspension all the way around that samples the ground feedback some 1000's of times per second and actively adjusts to it in real time, and delivering power to the wheels that can use it best at all times. It gets you out of most everything in the least dramatic way possible (and of course you can turn it all off real easy and just go full ham as well). But regardless, still good stuff, their system here seems to do well enough.
Okay, I'm nerding out: how tf am I only just discovering your channel now?! Exactly the type of info I like. Straight to it. No nonsense. Awesome!
Nice job on the video upload and information!👍I have wanted to see one in action in the snow as the AWD hybrid is new for 2025 with the same driveline to the rear axle I assume it will preform in the same matter.
Im a big fan of systems like these that bias towards one axle. Its good enough for almost all normal conditions and has better mileage and/or longevity compared with a true full time system
True
It appears as though the rear wheel is spinning on the opposite side of the vehicle. In some frames of the video.
Well done given the limited available technology. Two thoughts, first without having a coefficient of friction at the tires, it’s difficult to know how much shifted torque is being applied, and secondly as you mentioned, the observable shift to rear is totally dependent on the traction control side to side. Let’s do a roller test to help mitigate these problems.
Pretty quick engagement. Seems close to the Audi systems at least of a few years ago. I’m in sunny SoCal so no real need for awd unfortunately.
I actually like that it is FWD most of the time considering this is a truck. Most other traditonal pickups are RWD when not in 4x4.
"that happens some times" i feel that.
This was a super cool and deep analysis. Never seen that technique for filming "high speed" with an iPhone. Made for detailed look
We just got our first PROPER snow in about 10 years here in Central KY. I'm a FWD ecoboost owner and had to find out. How good or bad is this truck in the winter? Turns out, pretty solid for a FWD only. Put it in slipperly conditions mode and it's very easy to get around. (video on my channel)
This fast of a reaction leads me to believe that it's is not slippage based. My Kia AWD always uses all for wheels on take off. I believe the delay we are seeing is just the time it takes the torque to get through the transmission and driveshaft
Your Kia does not do that 😂😂😂😂
@@multivisao Yes it does. Not only do I own a 2021 Kia Sorento SX but I drive it too.
The TFL guys posted their slip test video and it looks like this is how it is working. Unfortunately there is no good left/right torque conversion. This explains why you were sometimes seeing the other wheel turn earlier. Since you were running with the traction control off, it was allowing some of the torque to bleed across. Ford's TC seems to be focused on slightly slowing the slipping wheel to maintain lateral control than to slow the slipping wheel until the traction wheel gets grabs. This falls in line with other issues they have had with Ford's TC.
@ this is ONLY the hybrid, stop generalizing…
@@SPBTooL you have to get the maverick tremor to get a locking rear diff.
I wonder how fast the hybrid works? I think the rear axle has no mechanical connection to the engine.
New hybrid AWD is same as the 2.0 awd, it has a driveshaft.
@rifleslol Apparently the hybrid is front wheel drive only. It has a totally different rear suspension setup than the gas only AWD.
@@erikkovacs3097 2025 is the first model year for AWD hybrid - it uses the same independent rear as the 2.0 awd. The 22-24 are FWD only and use a torsion beam axle, that's correct.
@@rifleslol I can't find any info on it if they use a drive shaft or a Bluetooth rear axle like Toyota does. My guess is Bluetooth rear axle.
The TFL guys got one and mentioned that it is the same.
What tires are on the truck ?
It just has the stock Continentals
In a truck, it’s always better to be bias to the rear.
FWD biased cars will never work the same as 4WD or Subaru AWD if they have it equipped. Subaru has the best AWD there is, great video though
Subaru has made plenty of cars over the years that have a default torque split of 90% to the front axle. It depends on the model. The current lineup is 60/40 for automatics and 50/50 for manuals, for non WRX vehicles. Not sure what the WRX is up to these days
The problem with Subarus is that it's an open differential system, meaning the tire with the least torque applied to it by the ground (least friction) will be the max torque the other tires have. So, for example, with that 60:40 split, if a front tire is on ice and the ice "resists" with only 6Nm of torque, then the other front tire can provide only 6Nm of torque to the ground, and the rear tires can provide only 4Nm of torque each. If the engine produces more than 20Nm of torque, all that extra force will just go into making the slipping tire spin faster.
I know cars have traction systems through the brakes (and Subaru's traction control is one of the best, especially among other small CUVs), but it cannot rival an actual mechanical LSD like a Torsen.
@@gad63511… Well stated
My KIA has a button to lock the center differential. No overrated Subaru needed.
This is great and all, but I gotta be honest... their system here doesn't even hold a 1700's colonial America butterfat candle to GM's stabilitrak, even the versions from 2005 era... I've got a 2005 Escalade EXT w/ the 6.0 LQ9, 4L65E, and their AWD system... Combined with auto leveling air shocks in the rear, active suspension all the way around that samples the ground feedback some 1000's of times per second and actively adjusts to it in real time, and delivering power to the wheels that can use it best at all times. It gets you out of most everything in the least dramatic way possible (and of course you can turn it all off real easy and just go full ham as well). But regardless, still good stuff, their system here seems to do well enough.
Tell me you’re not comparing a full sized SUV to a small pick up truck. …… Much less a mid sized pickup truck…. 🤣