This video is going to be about testing the power of knife throwing when thrown at multiple layers of clothing. #knifethrowing #experiment #powertesting
@canadafree2087 That's well said, Canada. Also, these tests have a problem- A softer backstop (like flesh) actually reduces penetration through the clothing layer, rather than increasing it. Also, a competent thrower can produce much more penetration with much lighter weapons. I've nearly penetrated a quarter inch of Lexan with a shuriken weighing about 60 GRAMS. 👍👍
I like throwing the old style ice picks or leather awls small and strangely very well balanced from my experience I'm not as good as you but I'm confident throwing up the 12 feet sticking 90% of the time with power
Anyone who has thrown knives successfully for a while, knows how much devastating power is generated, when simply thrown! It’s more powerful than a point blank stab. It is no joke!
It is definitely not more powerful than a stab but I understand your precept. And I agree throwing knives are highly underestimated. It's a game changer in combat if you're accurate.
@@redfaux74 it really depends, with a stab you could have a bit of your body weight helping with power, but most of the time, it's just a motion of the arm really, so the much higher velocity of a thrown knife usually gives a slightly higher power than a stab.
@GiovannaBassani-ve3wm - When people do not put their weight into a punch, or attack of any kind, they don't know what they're doing. Just because most people don't do it properly, doesn't make it a good rule. It is never good to give half your weapon away. You always attack just past the target.
@@redfaux74 yes, i am aware of that, but still, very frequently, a stab and throw are going to have similar power due to the fact you're more than likely not lunging and jumping into your knife, against someone else whenever you stab with it. that only applies to heavier knives tho, particularly light knives can't penetrate deeply when thrown because if you multiplicate the speed by the weight, it's still not a lot of energy, and on a stab,, even without putting most of your body weight, the motion and weight of the arm would do most of the job of penetrating deeply.
Couple of things. First of all that is a throwing knife. I'm not saying you cannot kill someone by throwing a knife at them. What I am saying is even if you are incredibly skilled, your likelyhood of killing someone or even incapacitating them with a thrown knife is small. In the movies every thrown knife burries itself hilt deep in someones chest. And while wood is harder than soft tissue, sternum and rib bones are pretty hard. People may point out that I would not want this guy throwing a knife at me. That is true, but it does not negate my other points.
No true if you throw a knife vs stab a knife into a material the thrown knife almost always goes deeper a knife thrown to the chest will bury itself and you will die ..it's a risk u take throwing your weapon away but if its hits its devastating
Knife, throwing in a combative sense should not be over thought. One would obviously not throw their only knife away but from an ambush standpoint knife throwing could be very dangerous. The very same way bushuriken were used back in the day. Even if it was able to set you up for something better, it would be cool. This knife coupd go all the way through a human.
Great video and it makes sense. A spear is basically a knife with a long shaft ‘handle’…..and nobody would deny the ability of a well thrown spear to pierce most layers of clothing. It might make an interesting video to see how much damage a spear can do versus your folded up jeans?
Interesting I usually test my blades penetrating capabilities finding of course that daggers are the best. A thin double edged blade reaches the target through even a thick leather jacket. 😊
So, The reality of this experiment is.. If the person stayed absolutely still, the tactical knife would possibly penetrate 1/2 - 3/4in. This is not enough damage to stop a trained or drug infested or highly motivated attacker. With the addition of movement, nearly any even slight side to side or rotating movement (like running) will definitely disrupt the knife from deep penetration.
Knife throwing is for ambush. Plus, you must not have heard when I said that the wooden target is going to be many times harder than flesh behind the clothing. The fact that I could go through the clothing in into the wood is phenomenal. People overthink knife throwing from a combative sense. It’s obviously rare and he wouldn’t throw your only knife away, but is it possible absolutely
No surprises for myself here. Except you need to give yourself some credit for technique. You mentioned weight, but if the knife didn't hit with it's full capability of sectional density, the results wouldn't have been as impressive. (*full capability of sectional density, did I say that right ?-lol) You have the skills required to achieve the goal. I can make it stick, but not with the power you have. I try to throw hard and it's a crap shoot where it's going to land. I threw a couple of my Cold Steel spears at a pesky critter or two. Never hit the target, but managed to hit trees. They only penetrated an inch or less, but I am confident they would have gone completely through a raccoon. They were VERY difficult to remove. Using an arrow as an example... it goes completely through a deer, but only an inch or so into a piece of wood.
knive throwing is a sport not a combat drill exxept nijas and john rambo and some dudes grown up with wolves and yes like spartans or the english archers if im training 10 years yes i can use my knive or knives 4 killing people but now this age i dont now man i throw knives no spin 5 years now and i will never throw a knive 2 any person or animal for defence i like your videos and your channel i collect knives but realistic dont throw your knive life isnt hollywood!!!
I get what you’re saying and no one with sense would throw their only knife away. It’s the fact that I know I could that’s satisfying. In warfare I believes it would be more of a silent tactic such as ninja and BoShuriken
Dear Daniel, I don't know how to express my gratefulness to you, thanks to your video on Hammer grip Nospin I could finally understand why and how to throw a knife instinctively by the balance point, I basically became Instinctive into a 5 meter radius, gonna expand it to 7 hopefully and even more who knows
I just noticed how you move your hand close to the balance point, and when I tried to do Hammer grip No Spin, I noticed that I instinctively did the same and it worked wonders on every blade now that I do it consciously, I also noticed that when the balance point is placed into the handle I didn't had to do it, and I noticed that it worked pretty much the same when you throw the Hitter
Adam celadin made a video where he throws knives at kevlar ballistic armor, and even those blunt training knives from Ace Jet could stick to Kevlar (I'm not calling them blunt as a matter of offense, they're blunt but they're good to throw)
Practice changes that easily. I would never use a throwing knife in close combat unless it was an emergency. I would never throw a combat knife unless it was an emergency. But having both, some to throw, and one or two for close quarters fighting is crazy effective. When crazy hits, you want options.
@r3ptile584 - Mine is an S&W 2.0 10mm. But I always tell people, when SHTF there will be times you cannot go BOOM and alert everyone in a 2 mile radius. In true chaos, if there are no 911 services, I would want to eliminate the problem and get out of there. Especially in a bad neighborhood. I EDC 2 blades. The Cold Steel Vaquero Grande serrated 6 inch folder in my right pocket and the Rajah ll six inch in my left. They both have a pocket clip that easily deploys one handed. I always make sure they are easily accessible when I travel and I'm at a gas station. But I also keep my 2 shot Derringer 45 in my jacket pocket ready. Time are crazy. People need to understand that. Only those that are paying attention, not paranoid, but fully aware and not nervous, are going to make it when the fuse arrives at the destination. I think it is here already. It just hasn't blown up fully yet.
@redfaux74 do you think ancient Roman's were walking around stocking up on toiletries and weaponry toward the fall of Rome? Or do you think it took them completly by suprise having been a dominant power for so long? To everyone...Roman peppers. Did they exist? What are your thoughts?
Back in the 70's there were articles and a small trend /cliche of hunters who took up the challenge of hunting with throwing knives. My largest game was rabbit, few deer or hogs in the swamps back then but a few of those intrepid outdoorsman in Florida found they could get close enough to some wild boar for a good throw.
Thanks for the video. I've heard of many times in the history of bladed weapon combat where men have received fatal wounds from a spear, a sword, an axe, or some other weapon but have continued to fight for many minutes or even many hours without stopping. One of the most famous was when Sam Houston received an arrow wound deep into his groin. He ordered a fellow soldier to pull the arrow out of his body, and he continued fighting even though this extraction only made the wound worse. I think he got up again the next day and led another charge. In his case, the wounds were not fatal, but the idea is similar. I don't see clothing as a big issue in whether or not knife throwing is effective for self-defense. I've heard that some kinds of fabric resist blades better than others, but even that's not the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that a blade can penetrate several inches into the human body without stopping someone from continuing to fight. Many attackers will stop as soon as they are badly wounded. Against them, knife throwing could be an effective means of self-defense. Against those who are more motivated or are driven by madness or some kind of intoxication, one serious wound will not cause this kind of psychological stop. The attacker will keep attacking, and he might pull the knife from his body and use it as his own weapon. I'm not saying that a thrown knife will never be an effective weapon. I am concerned about the knife not producing a quick stop against an attacker. The Romans made pretty effective use of the plumbata which was just an ancient version of a lawn dart. These were good weapons because they wounded enemy soldiers. Wounded soldiers sometimes do lose morale and stop fighting immediately. Taking out members of an opposing army makes sense even if they are able to keep fighting for many minutes or even an hour or two. I'm just less certain that this idea will be effective at keeping a defender alive in many modern, self-defense situations.
The same argument can be made against guns. People have been shot many times and continued to fight. Knives have been very lethal. As with bullets, the target has much to do with the lethality.
@@willieboy3011 Bullets do not always cause instant stops on attackers, but they have a much better chance of causing instant or near-instant stops. A bullet has much more energy than a thrown knife does. A bullet is more likely to penetrate deeper. While penetration is seen as more important than the size of the temporary expansion cavity, the huge expansion cavity represents a huge release of energy into an attacker's body. A knife cannot provide any of that. I agree that firearms aren't automatic stopping machines. Shot placement is important. Having the right kind of ammunition is important. Having a powerful enough gun is a factor. Nothing is guaranteed, but the likelihood of stopping a very large and powerful attacker with a good self-defense firearm shooting good self-defense ammunition is higher than the likelihood of stopping that attacker with a thrown knife. In no case is the attacker going to pull bullets out of his body and then cut me with the bullets.
@@VTPSTTU I would not compare the effectiveness of a thrown knife to a shot bullet. The gun would likely win, but the thrown knife can be effective in self-defense, as the video demonstrates. However, a gun is not superior to a knife for lethality. Both have advantages and disadvantages, depending on many variables. I usually carry both, so the situation can dictate my weapon choice. From a distance a gun should have an advantage. In close a gun has some disadvantages. They are harder to maneuver to hit the target, and they may jam (unlike knives). Shooting a person in self defense, the bullets sometimes go through the bad person and kill an innocent person. Knives do not have this disadvantage. Moreover, one knife strike to the heart is usually fatal within seconds. Finally, never ever pull a knife out of your body if you have been stabbed. Once removed, you may bleed to death immediately.
@@willieboy3011 I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe that thrown knives will produce quick stops as often as fired bullets will. An attacker has a better chance of dodging a knife than he does dodging a bullet. A thrown knife hitting an attacker's arm has a much better chance of being deflected than a bullet does. A thrown knife hitting an attacker's ribs has a much better chance of being deflected than a bullet does. A thrown knife is not likely to go through the ribs or sternum into an attacker's heart. Very skilled knife fighters can thrust a knife into an opponent's heart somewhat easily, but a thrown knife just doesn't have the same effectiveness. If conditions are just right for the knife fighter, a knife might arguably be equal to a gun in lethality, but those are only under ideal conditions for the knife fighter. A thrown knife can be lethal, but nothing in this demonstration or any other demonstration credibly suggests that a thrown knife approaches the lethality of a fired bullet from a gun of reasonable caliber for self-defense. I'm aware that guns can have limitations at contact distances. Many pistols will go out of battery if the front is pressed against a person's body. Revolvers don't have this problem, but a revolver hammer can become entangled in clothing or blocked in some other way. In a grappling situation, a knife can be a more effective weapon, but no one is going to throw a knife in a grappling situation. If one is stabbed deeply into the body, the best course of action isn't to remove the knife if professional first aid is available. On the other hand, we can't just lie there quietly waiting for a medic if the fight hasn't ended. Leaving the knife inside the wound only encourages the other person to twist the knife out of the wound and stab again. A knife that hits ribs and deflects along the outside of the ribs can be removed safely enough. If one throws a knife at an attacker who twists out of the way a little bit, the knife could easily hit the ribs and deflect along the outside of the ribs. The attacker would need medical treatment, but he could still remove the knife and kill the defender. I'm not saying that one should never throw a knife in self-defense. What someone else does in this situation isn't my choice to make. I'm saying that there are dangers involved in using this tactic. That a skilled knife thrower can throw a good knife through many layers of denim into a stationary piece of wood does not mean that the same throw would be effective against every attacker.
@@VTPSTTU I would agree with this. A knife thrown cannot compare with a bullet shot. A knife in close combat can compare with a handgun in lethality though. A thrown knife can be used in self-defense, but I think this would be in very limited situations. Good points. Good luck to you.
Honestly I would say that in this test the wood is a good stand in for bone. 10+ ounces of spear point is probably gonna break clean through a rib if you think about it. Another great upload
You have to consider the weight of the shaft in that tho. That extra 2 pounds will cause much more penetration than the 10 ounces. Only ribs would count. They won't stop any decent spear.
Thanks Daniel for the video. I've read accounts of people throwing knives and killing pigs and antelope. Never did it myself, but have stuck deep into wood.
Keep doing what you're doing. ❤ Keyboard warriors who have never owned a knife will make dumb comments regardless. Like you said, it totally depends on the knife. Tip, shape, weight, sharpness and when you add practice, you are deadly.
Cool video. Being brand new to knife throwing...I actually was just noticing today. How deep my knife was sinking into the wood. And it's like you said. I would not get that kind of penetration if I simply stabbed the wood.
Cool but I gotta practice, every time I throw my knife the handle 90% of the time is what hits the target. Did I mention my butter knife has a full tang ? XD Btw thanks for sharing.
Excellent test I've been meaning to do something like that myself. I was actually surprised how easily that blade went through the jeans definitely the type and size of the blade plays a huge role.
Wouldnlove a black talon 2 video and to see if not being able to stab great but able to have the best standard grip slasher made is a worth while trade off
What a great video! Answered a question I've wondered about for YEARS! And throwing the Cold Steel Kobun was great too, as a light knife simply wont carry the same energy as a much heavier knife. (Think .22 vs. .45 or .223 vs. 30-06.) But the bullet comparison raises another question: how would a proper throwing knife compare against ballistic gel? Surely the hard wood behind the folded blue jeans "helped" with the blade's penetration because it has no "give" or flex like soft tissue. I would love to see you do the same comparison with a layer or two of denim in front of ballistic gel, or even a pork butt! 😅 Thanks again for a great video!
LOVE that Hitter! I consider it one of the best daggers I have! Not surprised (but impressed) at the penetration power "you" can generate throwing that knife! Excellent video Daniel ❤!!!
Okay, but what happens if you throw into the rib cage area? I'm always wondered about that. Since I knife has to penetrate at least three inches for a truly damaging hit. I was taught when and if I had to defend myself with a knife, to hole the knife on the Horizontal so it would go between the ribs. So I am curious.
I think of knife throwing as boShuriken were used back in the day. I’ve always seen them more as an ambush item if they ever were used. If it’s an ambush, somebody should pick their spot carefully.
From the physics, caused by how the human body is constructed, throws are much more powerful (more momentum and energy) than stabs, so the result is not a surprise. The problem of knife throwing is hitting with the tip and with an angle near to 90 degree, in a situation of moving bodies and high stress. I can usually make a knife stick ten out of ten throws from close distance (about 1 to 4 meters) when aiming at a wooden board, but if I could choose between being armed with 5 extremely sharp and huge throwing knifes or a 5-shot .22 lr revolver, I would take the tiny gun without any hesitation.
I'm a firm believer in knife combatives and I absolutely wouldn't want to be in the receiving end of a knife being thrown at me , very deadly, if proficient.
After all the layers you still need three inches of penetration. Throwing a knife is not a good bet. Especially if you only have the one knife. You essentially really piss someone off while handing over your weapon at the same time. That log wasn't moving around trying to dodge either. Fun for a hobby, but not a realistic hope for defense.
Knife throwing is better for ambush, not an aware assailant. Oh, Shuriken, back in the day were used to wound and distract. people should just focus on the skill because it’s fun, and none of us will probably ever have to throw one at a person. That being said, I would never want to be hit with it. This knife would go all the way through a human even after clothes because that wooden target is very hard to penetrate. You could stab up all the way into a carcass bone and all. Throwing has even more power.
The problem with throwing knives is you no longer have the knife. If you fail to achieve what you set out to do it can then be used against you. Keep hold of it.
This is one of the most common objections to knife, throwing I don’t really get it. It seems like the one thing a lot of people who don’t throw will say. No one with sense will throw their only weapon away but to be able to do this is awesome. No one with any sense what also throw this at an aware assailant. This is guerrilla warfare stuff.
I’m going to have to play devils advocate and say you conclusion about weight in this experiment is inconclusive at best. The hammer is a double edged spear point which has different impact ballistics than a single edge tan to. Akin to comparing a 240g ball ammo to a 160g hollow point. The hammer will have better penetration due to the tip having less surface impacting the target where the Cobon’s tanto tip has easily doubl the surface hitting on initial impact. If you compare similar shaped spear points of different weights you will find similar impact results with penetration getting less in proportion to the difference in weight.
I’ve tested so many different blades and I just haven’t gotten the same phone power as I do with the ones that are heavier at least with my throwing style that is
@@411Outdoors your correct that lighter blades penetrate less no matter what throwing technique you use. If you throw your 10 inch S&W throwing knives along side the 8 inch ones, the 8 inch will have less penetration overall but still penetrate in a similar fashion. The hammer compared to the S&W HRT for example would demonstrate this quite well both being spear points but the HRT being lighter will penetrate less.
Been also practicing with an Esse 2 which is really small. But if you really whip it, the penetration is wonderful because it's slicy enough, and that Esse steel is so good
Can you teach a 71 year old to throw a knife like you do? I slowed the video down and saw that you hold the knife by its handle. Looks like I might be able to do that.
I've thrown knives for 20+ years, and I'll be honest... His hammer grip throw is unnaturally good. You could spend a decade practicing muscle memory, release timing, and force measurement. But some folks will always be gifted. That doesn't mean you won't eventually get there. Just don't beat yourself up over the struggles. It's a complicated skill.
And with a lot of testing and different approaches it is getting slowly more Acknowledged that knife throwing IS a combat resource when done right for very specific situation
Michael Echanis, Senior instructor for the special forces Ranger, hand-to-hand Combat special weapons school.
Says says never throw your knife.
A knife in hand is always better. This is just a question of could you?
Musashi Miyamoto disagrees, He would throw his short sword to bridge the distance and fight with his long sword. Don't throw your ONLY knife.
@canadafree2087 That's well said, Canada. Also, these tests have a problem- A softer backstop (like flesh) actually reduces penetration through the clothing layer, rather than increasing it. Also, a competent thrower can produce much more penetration with much lighter weapons. I've nearly penetrated a quarter inch of Lexan with a shuriken weighing about 60 GRAMS. 👍👍
@@411Outdoors True. 'Could' and 'Should' .. different Coins.
Very impressive & entertaining vid Daniel - Marksman ! 👍
Thanks my friend!
I like throwing the old style ice picks or leather awls small and strangely very well balanced from my experience I'm not as good as you but I'm confident throwing up the 12 feet sticking 90% of the time with power
Didn't surprise me, very cool video nonetheless 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎯
Anyone who has thrown knives successfully for a while, knows how much devastating power is generated, when simply thrown!
It’s more powerful than a point blank stab. It is no joke!
It is definitely not more powerful than a stab but I understand your precept. And I agree throwing knives are highly underestimated. It's a game changer in combat if you're accurate.
@@redfaux74 it really depends, with a stab you could have a bit of your body weight helping with power, but most of the time, it's just a motion of the arm really, so the much higher velocity of a thrown knife usually gives a slightly higher power than a stab.
@GiovannaBassani-ve3wm - When people do not put their weight into a punch, or attack of any kind, they don't know what they're doing. Just because most people don't do it properly, doesn't make it a good rule. It is never good to give half your weapon away. You always attack just past the target.
@@redfaux74 yes, i am aware of that, but still, very frequently, a stab and throw are going to have similar power due to the fact you're more than likely not lunging and jumping into your knife, against someone else whenever you stab with it.
that only applies to heavier knives tho, particularly light knives can't penetrate deeply when thrown because if you multiplicate the speed by the weight, it's still not a lot of energy, and on a stab,, even without putting most of your body weight, the motion and weight of the arm would do most of the job of penetrating deeply.
@GiovannaBassani-ve3wm - I don't think you've ever used a knife. What kind of knife do you own? Let's just drop this, Ok?
Couple of things. First of all that is a throwing knife. I'm not saying you cannot kill someone by throwing a knife at them. What I am saying is even if you are incredibly skilled, your likelyhood of killing someone or even incapacitating them with a thrown knife is small. In the movies every thrown knife burries itself hilt deep in someones chest. And while wood is harder than soft tissue, sternum and rib bones are pretty hard. People may point out that I would not want this guy throwing a knife at me. That is true, but it does not negate my other points.
No true if you throw a knife vs stab a knife into a material the thrown knife almost always goes deeper a knife thrown to the chest will bury itself and you will die ..it's a risk u take throwing your weapon away but if its hits its devastating
Knife, throwing in a combative sense should not be over thought. One would obviously not throw their only knife away but from an ambush standpoint knife throwing could be very dangerous. The very same way bushuriken were used back in the day. Even if it was able to set you up for something better, it would be cool. This knife coupd go all the way through a human.
Bones are weak against forged and hardened steel, it's a different way of energy Transfer, they simply collapse
I love the spear point. Great testing sir.
Thank you!
Cool test. Is this just for sport? I can not think of a situation where I would ever use this vs my EDC carry or pepper spray.
More of a test for the what if crowd. A knife in hand is always better. Most definitely👍👍 it takes a heavy knife to do damage anyway with throwing.
Great video and it makes sense. A spear is basically a knife with a long shaft ‘handle’…..and nobody would deny the ability of a well thrown spear to pierce most layers of clothing. It might make an interesting video to see how much damage a spear can do versus your folded up jeans?
Interesting I usually test my blades penetrating capabilities finding of course that daggers are the best. A thin double edged blade reaches the target through even a thick leather jacket. 😊
@@411Outdoorsso Throwing Knives would be great if it were pre Designated for that
So,
The reality of this experiment is..
If the person stayed absolutely still, the tactical knife would possibly penetrate 1/2 - 3/4in.
This is not enough damage to stop a trained or drug infested or highly motivated attacker.
With the addition of movement, nearly any even slight side to side or rotating movement (like running) will definitely disrupt the knife from deep penetration.
Knife throwing is for ambush. Plus, you must not have heard when I said that the wooden target is going to be many times harder than flesh behind the clothing. The fact that I could go through the clothing in into the wood is phenomenal. People overthink knife
throwing from a combative sense. It’s obviously rare and he wouldn’t throw your only knife away, but is it possible absolutely
Wasn't first rule in a knife fight don't throw away your weapon?😅
Yes, you should never throw your only knife away. If you had a spare BoShuriken absolutely throw it if you can do it well.
No surprises for myself here. Except you need to give yourself some credit for technique. You mentioned weight, but if the knife didn't hit with it's full capability of sectional density, the results wouldn't have been as impressive. (*full capability of sectional density, did I say that right ?-lol) You have the skills required to achieve the goal. I can make it stick, but not with the power you have. I try to throw hard and it's a crap shoot where it's going to land.
I threw a couple of my Cold Steel spears at a pesky critter or two. Never hit the target, but managed to hit trees. They only penetrated an inch or less, but I am confident they would have gone completely through a raccoon. They were VERY difficult to remove. Using an arrow as an example... it goes completely through a deer, but only an inch or so into a piece of wood.
Thank you 🙂👊
knive throwing is a sport not a combat drill exxept nijas and john rambo and some dudes grown up with wolves and yes like spartans or the english archers if im training 10 years yes i can use my knive or knives 4 killing people but now this age i dont now man i throw knives no spin 5 years now and i will never throw a knive 2 any person or animal for defence i like your videos and your channel i collect knives but realistic dont throw your knive life isnt hollywood!!!
I get what you’re saying and no one with sense would throw their only knife away. It’s the fact that I know I could that’s satisfying. In warfare I believes it would be more of a silent tactic such as ninja and BoShuriken
Dear Daniel, I don't know how to express my gratefulness to you, thanks to your video on Hammer grip Nospin I could finally understand why and how to throw a knife instinctively by the balance point, I basically became Instinctive into a 5 meter radius, gonna expand it to 7 hopefully and even more who knows
I just noticed how you move your hand close to the balance point, and when I tried to do Hammer grip No Spin, I noticed that I instinctively did the same and it worked wonders on every blade now that I do it consciously, I also noticed that when the balance point is placed into the handle I didn't had to do it, and I noticed that it worked pretty much the same when you throw the Hitter
So glad to be of help and service my friend!
Adam celadin made a video where he throws knives at kevlar ballistic armor, and even those blunt training knives from Ace Jet could stick to Kevlar (I'm not calling them blunt as a matter of offense, they're blunt but they're good to throw)
Yep, knife throwing is very powerful
Me throwing a knife: "Here. Take my weapon." 😂
Hahah!
Practice changes that easily.
I would never use a throwing knife in close combat unless it was an emergency. I would never throw a combat knife unless it was an emergency. But having both, some to throw, and one or two for close quarters fighting is crazy effective. When crazy hits, you want options.
@@redfaux74 Very true. But if I need a projectile, I prefer mine chambered in .357... My knife is a tool, not a weapon. Lol
@r3ptile584 - Mine is an S&W 2.0 10mm. But I always tell people, when SHTF there will be times you cannot go BOOM and alert everyone in a 2 mile radius. In true chaos, if there are no 911 services, I would want to eliminate the problem and get out of there. Especially in a bad neighborhood.
I EDC 2 blades. The Cold Steel Vaquero Grande serrated 6 inch folder in my right pocket and the Rajah ll six inch in my left. They both have a pocket clip that easily deploys one handed. I always make sure they are easily accessible when I travel and I'm at a gas station. But I also keep my 2 shot Derringer 45 in my jacket pocket ready.
Time are crazy. People need to understand that. Only those that are paying attention, not paranoid, but fully aware and not nervous, are going to make it when the fuse arrives at the destination. I think it is here already. It just hasn't blown up fully yet.
@redfaux74 do you think ancient Roman's were walking around stocking up on toiletries and weaponry toward the fall of Rome? Or do you think it took them completly by suprise having been a dominant power for so long?
To everyone...Roman peppers. Did they exist? What are your thoughts?
Back in the 70's there were articles and a small trend /cliche of hunters who took up the challenge of hunting with throwing knives. My largest game was rabbit, few deer or hogs in the swamps back then but a few of those intrepid outdoorsman in Florida found they could get close enough to some wild boar for a good throw.
Thanks for the video.
I've heard of many times in the history of bladed weapon combat where men have received fatal wounds from a spear, a sword, an axe, or some other weapon but have continued to fight for many minutes or even many hours without stopping. One of the most famous was when Sam Houston received an arrow wound deep into his groin. He ordered a fellow soldier to pull the arrow out of his body, and he continued fighting even though this extraction only made the wound worse. I think he got up again the next day and led another charge. In his case, the wounds were not fatal, but the idea is similar.
I don't see clothing as a big issue in whether or not knife throwing is effective for self-defense. I've heard that some kinds of fabric resist blades better than others, but even that's not the biggest issue.
The biggest issue is that a blade can penetrate several inches into the human body without stopping someone from continuing to fight. Many attackers will stop as soon as they are badly wounded. Against them, knife throwing could be an effective means of self-defense. Against those who are more motivated or are driven by madness or some kind of intoxication, one serious wound will not cause this kind of psychological stop. The attacker will keep attacking, and he might pull the knife from his body and use it as his own weapon.
I'm not saying that a thrown knife will never be an effective weapon. I am concerned about the knife not producing a quick stop against an attacker. The Romans made pretty effective use of the plumbata which was just an ancient version of a lawn dart. These were good weapons because they wounded enemy soldiers. Wounded soldiers sometimes do lose morale and stop fighting immediately. Taking out members of an opposing army makes sense even if they are able to keep fighting for many minutes or even an hour or two. I'm just less certain that this idea will be effective at keeping a defender alive in many modern, self-defense situations.
The same argument can be made against guns. People have been shot many times and continued to fight. Knives have been very lethal. As with bullets, the target has much to do with the lethality.
@@willieboy3011 Bullets do not always cause instant stops on attackers, but they have a much better chance of causing instant or near-instant stops. A bullet has much more energy than a thrown knife does. A bullet is more likely to penetrate deeper. While penetration is seen as more important than the size of the temporary expansion cavity, the huge expansion cavity represents a huge release of energy into an attacker's body. A knife cannot provide any of that.
I agree that firearms aren't automatic stopping machines. Shot placement is important. Having the right kind of ammunition is important. Having a powerful enough gun is a factor. Nothing is guaranteed, but the likelihood of stopping a very large and powerful attacker with a good self-defense firearm shooting good self-defense ammunition is higher than the likelihood of stopping that attacker with a thrown knife.
In no case is the attacker going to pull bullets out of his body and then cut me with the bullets.
@@VTPSTTU I would not compare the effectiveness of a thrown knife to a shot bullet. The gun would likely win, but the thrown knife can be effective in self-defense, as the video demonstrates.
However, a gun is not superior to a knife for lethality. Both have advantages and disadvantages, depending on many variables. I usually carry both, so the situation can dictate my weapon choice.
From a distance a gun should have an advantage. In close a gun has some disadvantages. They are harder to maneuver to hit the target, and they may jam (unlike knives). Shooting a person in self defense, the bullets sometimes go through the bad person and kill an innocent person. Knives do not have this disadvantage.
Moreover, one knife strike to the heart is usually fatal within seconds. Finally, never ever pull a knife out of your body if you have been stabbed. Once removed, you may bleed to death immediately.
@@willieboy3011 I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe that thrown knives will produce quick stops as often as fired bullets will. An attacker has a better chance of dodging a knife than he does dodging a bullet. A thrown knife hitting an attacker's arm has a much better chance of being deflected than a bullet does. A thrown knife hitting an attacker's ribs has a much better chance of being deflected than a bullet does. A thrown knife is not likely to go through the ribs or sternum into an attacker's heart. Very skilled knife fighters can thrust a knife into an opponent's heart somewhat easily, but a thrown knife just doesn't have the same effectiveness.
If conditions are just right for the knife fighter, a knife might arguably be equal to a gun in lethality, but those are only under ideal conditions for the knife fighter. A thrown knife can be lethal, but nothing in this demonstration or any other demonstration credibly suggests that a thrown knife approaches the lethality of a fired bullet from a gun of reasonable caliber for self-defense.
I'm aware that guns can have limitations at contact distances. Many pistols will go out of battery if the front is pressed against a person's body. Revolvers don't have this problem, but a revolver hammer can become entangled in clothing or blocked in some other way. In a grappling situation, a knife can be a more effective weapon, but no one is going to throw a knife in a grappling situation.
If one is stabbed deeply into the body, the best course of action isn't to remove the knife if professional first aid is available. On the other hand, we can't just lie there quietly waiting for a medic if the fight hasn't ended. Leaving the knife inside the wound only encourages the other person to twist the knife out of the wound and stab again. A knife that hits ribs and deflects along the outside of the ribs can be removed safely enough. If one throws a knife at an attacker who twists out of the way a little bit, the knife could easily hit the ribs and deflect along the outside of the ribs. The attacker would need medical treatment, but he could still remove the knife and kill the defender.
I'm not saying that one should never throw a knife in self-defense. What someone else does in this situation isn't my choice to make. I'm saying that there are dangers involved in using this tactic. That a skilled knife thrower can throw a good knife through many layers of denim into a stationary piece of wood does not mean that the same throw would be effective against every attacker.
@@VTPSTTU I would agree with this. A knife thrown cannot compare with a bullet shot. A knife in close combat can compare with a handgun in lethality though. A thrown knife can be used in self-defense, but I think this would be in very limited situations. Good points. Good luck to you.
Honestly I would say that in this test the wood is a good stand in for bone. 10+ ounces of spear point is probably gonna break clean through a rib if you think about it. Another great upload
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You have to consider the weight of the shaft in that tho. That extra 2 pounds will cause much more penetration than the 10 ounces. Only ribs would count. They won't stop any decent spear.
Thanks Daniel for the video. I've read accounts of people throwing knives and killing pigs and antelope. Never did it myself, but have stuck deep into wood.
Keep doing what you're doing. ❤
Keyboard warriors who have never owned a knife will make dumb comments regardless.
Like you said, it totally depends on the knife. Tip, shape, weight, sharpness and when you add practice, you are deadly.
Cool video. Being brand new to knife throwing...I actually was just noticing today. How deep my knife was sinking into the wood. And it's like you said. I would not get that kind of penetration if I simply stabbed the wood.
Cool but I gotta practice, every time I throw my knife the handle 90% of the time is what hits the target. Did I mention my butter knife has a full tang ? XD Btw thanks for sharing.
Great test dan ya man you need back end wieght to drive light knives just don't have it
Excellent test I've been meaning to do something like that myself. I was actually surprised how easily that blade went through the jeans definitely the type and size of the blade plays a huge role.
Wouldnlove a black talon 2 video and to see if not being able to stab great but able to have the best standard grip slasher made is a worth while trade off
I bet if that tanto was a spear point it would of stuck better. You doing this test has sold me on the spear point blade shape.
What a great video! Answered a question I've wondered about for YEARS! And throwing the Cold Steel Kobun was great too, as a light knife simply wont carry the same energy as a much heavier knife. (Think .22 vs. .45 or .223 vs. 30-06.) But the bullet comparison raises another question: how would a proper throwing knife compare against ballistic gel? Surely the hard wood behind the folded blue jeans "helped" with the blade's penetration because it has no "give" or flex like soft tissue. I would love to see you do the same comparison with a layer or two of denim in front of ballistic gel, or even a pork butt! 😅
Thanks again for a great video!
Thanks for watching my friend. Have a great day!
LOVE that Hitter! I consider it one of the best daggers I have! Not surprised (but impressed) at the penetration power "you" can generate throwing that knife! Excellent video Daniel ❤!!!
Thanks bro! Appreciate you!
Okay, but what happens if you throw into the rib cage area? I'm always wondered about that. Since I knife has to penetrate at least three inches for a truly damaging hit. I was taught when and if I had to defend myself with a knife, to hole the knife on the Horizontal so it would go between the ribs. So I am curious.
I think of knife throwing as boShuriken were used back in the day. I’ve always seen them more as an ambush item if they ever were used. If it’s an ambush, somebody should pick their spot carefully.
From the physics, caused by how the human body is constructed, throws are much more powerful (more momentum and energy) than stabs, so the result is not a surprise. The problem of knife throwing is hitting with the tip and with an angle near to 90 degree, in a situation of moving bodies and high stress. I can usually make a knife stick ten out of ten throws from close distance (about 1 to 4 meters) when aiming at a wooden board, but if I could choose between being armed with 5 extremely sharp and huge throwing knifes or a 5-shot .22 lr revolver, I would take the tiny gun without any hesitation.
Definitely. I’ve always felt like knife. Throwing was a better surprise, ambush type of weapon, throwing at the unaware
yep, straight to the thigh bone if hit in the front of a leg
How about those JXE JXO knives you loved so much? Do they sink through the heavy folded jeans?
I believe they would, especially with a good military half spin
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That first throw was straight gas!! 😆
Great video. I think knife throwing can be very deadly. If you had to pick 1 knife to throw, which one would you pick?
I would probably throw my Wyatt Hines BoShuriken or a fresh new copy of my Eafengrow EF131
I'm a firm believer in knife combatives and I absolutely wouldn't want to be in the receiving end of a knife being thrown at me , very deadly, if proficient.
IF proficient.
After all the layers you still need three inches of penetration. Throwing a knife is not a good bet. Especially if you only have the one knife. You essentially really piss someone off while handing over your weapon at the same time. That log wasn't moving around trying to dodge either. Fun for a hobby, but not a realistic hope for defense.
Knife throwing is better for ambush, not an aware assailant. Oh, Shuriken, back in the day were used to wound and distract. people should just focus on the skill because it’s fun, and none of us will probably ever have to throw one at a person. That being said, I would never want to be hit with it. This knife would go all the way through a human even after clothes because that wooden target is very hard to penetrate. You could stab up all the way into a carcass bone and all. Throwing has even more power.
Dip the tip in butter to help it go through better 😂
Haha! I can imagine 😂
Use jam, it sticks to the target better. 😂
@@canadafree2087 😂 and hand full of 🐝
The problem with throwing knives is you no longer have the knife. If you fail to achieve what you set out to do it can then be used against you. Keep hold of it.
Keeping it in hand is most important. The ability to do it it’s just so cool. it’s not a primary combat SKU.
Your really getting awesome at throwing blades my friend.
Thanks!
Throw your (perhaps only) weapon away and hope that you're lucky .. no thanks.
This is one of the most common objections to knife, throwing I don’t really get it. It seems like the one thing a lot of people who don’t throw will say. No one with sense will throw their only weapon away but to be able to do this is awesome. No one with any sense what also throw this at an aware assailant. This is guerrilla warfare stuff.
Cool
I’m going to have to play devils advocate and say you conclusion about weight in this experiment is inconclusive at best. The hammer is a double edged spear point which has different impact ballistics than a single edge tan to. Akin to comparing a 240g ball ammo to a 160g hollow point. The hammer will have better penetration due to the tip having less surface impacting the target where the Cobon’s tanto tip has easily doubl the surface hitting on initial impact.
If you compare similar shaped spear points of different weights you will find similar impact results with penetration getting less in proportion to the difference in weight.
I’ve tested so many different blades and I just haven’t gotten the same phone power as I do with the ones that are heavier at least with my throwing style that is
@@411Outdoors your correct that lighter blades penetrate less no matter what throwing technique you use. If you throw your 10 inch S&W throwing knives along side the 8 inch ones, the 8 inch will have less penetration overall but still penetrate in a similar fashion. The hammer compared to the S&W HRT for example would demonstrate this quite well both being spear points but the HRT being lighter will penetrate less.
What kind of knife are you using?
The Hitter by Takumitak
Great test. Do you know anyone else on RUclips that throws hammer grip no spin?
World champion. I think his name is Justin something. I believe he is where Daniel learned from
Jason Johnson 🙂👍
What's the brand of the first knife you used?? Can't find on the Internet
Search Takumitak the Hitter
@@411Outdoors ok thank you
Would it be valuable to try throwing into ballistic gel??
Definitely 👍 there’s been some testing on that. The Hitter blade would bottom out in it
@@411Outdoors WOW! thank you
Luv ur vids buddy 👻
Thanks so much!
Been also practicing with an Esse 2 which is really small. But if you really whip it, the penetration is wonderful because it's slicy enough, and that Esse steel is so good
Interesting video. This is impressive. I was surprised how well the knife went through all of the material.
Can you teach a 71 year old to throw a knife like you do? I slowed the video down and saw that you hold the knife by its handle. Looks like I might be able to do that.
I sure can! I’ve got some tutorials on how I throw
I've thrown knives for 20+ years, and I'll be honest... His hammer grip throw is unnaturally good. You could spend a decade practicing muscle memory, release timing, and force measurement. But some folks will always be gifted. That doesn't mean you won't eventually get there. Just don't beat yourself up over the struggles. It's a complicated skill.
And with a lot of testing and different approaches it is getting slowly more Acknowledged that knife throwing IS a combat resource when done right for very specific situation
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😂 your neighbor's must look outside and see you and think "keep the kids in the crazy guy is out throwing knives again" 🤣
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