Back then, even before EN came in, they were seen as "kinda legit". They confirmed they were a thing and bought a pair ring (because they saw KanaCoco did it). It was such a long ship that sailed. Comparing it to the ship nowadays within hololive is like comparing a coughing baby and a hydrogen bomb. I mean good for them if they want to do their own thing now, but the shipping cause was pretty obvious of where it came from.
One thing that Flare has said in the past is that she dislikes the term husband and wife because it labels them to be a certain type of societal responsibility. That's why she prefers other less restrictive terms when it comes to Noel and herself. I do think that they're the bestest of friends but it's their private life to live off camera and I'm happy for them.
Pretty sure it was always the same as Takamori, it was an act but they stopped doing it because people took them way too seriously and it was hurting their collabs.
It was way more than Takamori. Takamori ended pretty quickly and abrupt. Plus it looked so forced back then. In their case, they bought pair rings, and they told everyone how they "were" a thing back then. Even other vtubers thought it was kinda legit. They wanted the shipping by the fans. Either they got tired of the demand or they drifted off and has their own thing to do now.
Either way I think NoeFure is still wonderful. Fans obsessed too much about it and they decided to completely step back on shipping due to the negative influence it had on their real relationship. They both still mention each other quite often on stream in Chat Streams and they still hang out. Heck, Flare insisted on the Pair Ring to be on her figure and they both still wear it. Even if not romantic, it is still wholesome and TeeTee as heck (I still have hopes though but it‘s better for their actual relationship if fans stopped forcing their opinions on them) I think treasuring their relationship enough to pull back on it in their work, despite being very popular, is a pretty good sign of how important it is to them.
Maybe I missed something, but this is very different from what most people thought. There was a while where people thought they were in an actual relationship, because they told Tamaki it was real, and they called each other soul mates, got pair rings, implied they "did stuff". Other members seemed to also believe that. Then we stopped seeing much interaction between them and people either thought they were broken up or taking it easy in the public eye to get people to stop talking about it so much, while still being together off stream. And they both have said things in the last couple years that would seem to confirm the latter idea. Now I'm seeing this and feeling super super confused by it all. Like, the audience has no right to know the truth or be told about their private lives at all. But damn is it confusing.
Its just gimmick. If you know Noel's "other job" you would already guess that not in the million years Flare would have an actual relationship with her, knowing Noel is still very active doing her other job until today. At the very least I wouldn't be able to bear it if it's my girlfriend. (Also that other job pretty much confirms Noel is straight asf)
@@Cosmoman78 Whether or not it's a gimmick, the rest of your comment is just nonsense. People have relationships with camgirls all the time. Don't project your insecurities on others. Also, the stuff she does on that account confirms nothing about her sexuality. First of all, bisexuality and pansexuality exist. Second, simulating make interaction for a job doesn't mean you like men at all.
your comments reflects the reason for them stepping back, listeners were too into the ring. Off of that one chemistry listeners were demanding only those kind of collabs limiting their content. Countlessly delivering words that weren’t supposed to be said on chat from one stream to another. Flare told the fans they had to step back to cool things down. All the heat was devastating them and their job.
@Cosmoman78 People date sex workers all the time and she's just a cam girl anyways. Stop assuming other people look down on that like you do. And also, that says nothing about her sexuality. First, bisexuality and pansexuality exist. Second, she doesn't do stuff with men on camera, so none of what she's doing requires her to be attracted to men. It's weird to assume anything.
Tbh this doesn't tell us anything at all. Except that "NoeFure as a couple" would not be a thing on stream. - If romantic NoeFure was a gimmick and they're IRL friends, this is what she would say. - If romantic NoeFure was a real thing, given how bad the shipping pressure got and they decided to divert the attention away by emphasizing their friendship (as they had in the past years), this is ALSO what she would say. IMO stick to whichever headcanon you prefer. As long as that stays as headcanon and chat doesn't pester the vtubers with questions (indirectly pressuring them to fit the headcanon) that's fine. Personally I like romantic NoeFure, but I honestly don't care to know if that's true IRL. Cos that's their own private lives. Also I see other comments alluding to Noel's other activities as proof. I don't care to discuss that (see above point about privacy). But a general reminder that sexuality is a spectrum, showing attraction to one gender doesn't automatically mean no interest in the other gender. That's just a poor argument.
I recently realized something that is a bit sad from the shipping perspective. If Hololive actually had a couple that was dating for a few years then they probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to do a virtual wedding + concert. Even if two women can't get married in actual Japan, there are no laws about vtubers Batman.
NoeFure is just a gimmick. They aren't actually dating IRL. Also if you know Noel's "other job" you would kbow that she's actually straight. And no friggin way Flare would date her knowing about that other job as well.
IMO that'll be a bad idea, cos people will start treating that 2 vtubers as a single unit and behaving like they have to do everything together. It's the same problem with all the fan shipping, one of them collabs with someone else and acts remotely teetee and the fans go "NTR! NTR!". Only it'll be many times worse, cos of the officiality of "marriage". It'll be stifling for both of their careers. Though hypothetically if there was an IRL couple in Holo and when the time comes when they decide to leave the agency, that would make a fantastic final stream idea.
Even if the people involved like the shipping initially the fans usually take it way too far and incessantly harp on it and get toxic about it in social media. People are not good at viewing others as humans online and act out of pocket too quickly and too often.
Makes sense but the problem is when the people themselves play into it. You can't blame the fans one-sidedly for this (not saying you are). Not that their relationship should be something we should know but they did put it into the spotlight in the past so ofc people would be confused about it.
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Back then, even before EN came in, they were seen as "kinda legit". They confirmed they were a thing and bought a pair ring (because they saw KanaCoco did it). It was such a long ship that sailed. Comparing it to the ship nowadays within hololive is like comparing a coughing baby and a hydrogen bomb. I mean good for them if they want to do their own thing now, but the shipping cause was pretty obvious of where it came from.
One thing that Flare has said in the past is that she dislikes the term husband and wife because it labels them to be a certain type of societal responsibility. That's why she prefers other less restrictive terms when it comes to Noel and herself. I do think that they're the bestest of friends but it's their private life to live off camera and I'm happy for them.
Okakoro remain strong
Tho, they also told the same on stream sometimes as reminder when comments go too far in their ship 🤔
Pretty sure it was always the same as Takamori, it was an act but they stopped doing it because people took them way too seriously and it was hurting their collabs.
It was way more than Takamori. Takamori ended pretty quickly and abrupt. Plus it looked so forced back then. In their case, they bought pair rings, and they told everyone how they "were" a thing back then. Even other vtubers thought it was kinda legit. They wanted the shipping by the fans. Either they got tired of the demand or they drifted off and has their own thing to do now.
Either way I think NoeFure is still wonderful. Fans obsessed too much about it and they decided to completely step back on shipping due to the negative influence it had on their real relationship.
They both still mention each other quite often on stream in Chat Streams and they still hang out. Heck, Flare insisted on the Pair Ring to be on her figure and they both still wear it.
Even if not romantic, it is still wholesome and TeeTee as heck
(I still have hopes though but it‘s better for their actual relationship if fans stopped forcing their opinions on them)
I think treasuring their relationship enough to pull back on it in their work, despite being very popular, is a pretty good sign of how important it is to them.
Another case of the members playing it up too much until it gets out of hand
Maybe I missed something, but this is very different from what most people thought. There was a while where people thought they were in an actual relationship, because they told Tamaki it was real, and they called each other soul mates, got pair rings, implied they "did stuff". Other members seemed to also believe that.
Then we stopped seeing much interaction between them and people either thought they were broken up or taking it easy in the public eye to get people to stop talking about it so much, while still being together off stream. And they both have said things in the last couple years that would seem to confirm the latter idea.
Now I'm seeing this and feeling super super confused by it all. Like, the audience has no right to know the truth or be told about their private lives at all. But damn is it confusing.
Its just gimmick. If you know Noel's "other job" you would already guess that not in the million years Flare would have an actual relationship with her, knowing Noel is still very active doing her other job until today. At the very least I wouldn't be able to bear it if it's my girlfriend. (Also that other job pretty much confirms Noel is straight asf)
@@Cosmoman78 Whether or not it's a gimmick, the rest of your comment is just nonsense. People have relationships with camgirls all the time. Don't project your insecurities on others.
Also, the stuff she does on that account confirms nothing about her sexuality. First of all, bisexuality and pansexuality exist. Second, simulating make interaction for a job doesn't mean you like men at all.
your comments reflects the reason for them stepping back, listeners were too into the ring.
Off of that one chemistry listeners were demanding only those kind of collabs limiting their content. Countlessly delivering words that weren’t supposed to be said on chat from one stream to another.
Flare told the fans they had to step back to cool things down. All the heat was devastating them and their job.
@Cosmoman78 People date sex workers all the time and she's just a cam girl anyways. Stop assuming other people look down on that like you do.
And also, that says nothing about her sexuality. First, bisexuality and pansexuality exist. Second, she doesn't do stuff with men on camera, so none of what she's doing requires her to be attracted to men. It's weird to assume anything.
Tbh this doesn't tell us anything at all. Except that "NoeFure as a couple" would not be a thing on stream.
- If romantic NoeFure was a gimmick and they're IRL friends, this is what she would say.
- If romantic NoeFure was a real thing, given how bad the shipping pressure got and they decided to divert the attention away by emphasizing their friendship (as they had in the past years), this is ALSO what she would say.
IMO stick to whichever headcanon you prefer. As long as that stays as headcanon and chat doesn't pester the vtubers with questions (indirectly pressuring them to fit the headcanon) that's fine. Personally I like romantic NoeFure, but I honestly don't care to know if that's true IRL. Cos that's their own private lives.
Also I see other comments alluding to Noel's other activities as proof. I don't care to discuss that (see above point about privacy). But a general reminder that sexuality is a spectrum, showing attraction to one gender doesn't automatically mean no interest in the other gender. That's just a poor argument.
The ship is officially down o7
I recently realized something that is a bit sad from the shipping perspective. If Hololive actually had a couple that was dating for a few years then they probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to do a virtual wedding + concert. Even if two women can't get married in actual Japan, there are no laws about vtubers Batman.
NoeFure is just a gimmick. They aren't actually dating IRL. Also if you know Noel's "other job" you would kbow that she's actually straight. And no friggin way Flare would date her knowing about that other job as well.
@@Cosmoman78 Can you stop spreading this incel shit over multiple comments?
IMO that'll be a bad idea, cos people will start treating that 2 vtubers as a single unit and behaving like they have to do everything together. It's the same problem with all the fan shipping, one of them collabs with someone else and acts remotely teetee and the fans go "NTR! NTR!". Only it'll be many times worse, cos of the officiality of "marriage". It'll be stifling for both of their careers.
Though hypothetically if there was an IRL couple in Holo and when the time comes when they decide to leave the agency, that would make a fantastic final stream idea.
Even if the people involved like the shipping initially the fans usually take it way too far and incessantly harp on it and get toxic about it in social media. People are not good at viewing others as humans online and act out of pocket too quickly and too often.
That's why i don't like shipping, specially with real people.
Makes sense but the problem is when the people themselves play into it. You can't blame the fans one-sidedly for this (not saying you are). Not that their relationship should be something we should know but they did put it into the spotlight in the past so ofc people would be confused about it.
No way... my ship😢😢😢🏳🏳