14:00 you mentioned that the White Hawks with the theater seats have heat and massage?! Could you do a video on this? I don’t see any information on this feature on Jayco’s website.
This footage is now aged slightly. Little stuff like that might not be 100% accurate currently -- especially after last year's various supplier challenges
Great video !!! Your videos helped us choose what we just purchased. We just bought a 2023 White Hawk 29RL, we love it !! We had a 2005 Eagle 308 FBS that we bought new, and just put it on a permanent site as a vacation place at the shore. We have shared your youtube channel with our family and friends. And just 2 weeks ago, one of my long time friends purchased his first travel trailer. it is a leftover 2020 Jay Flight 295BHS. Thier maiden voyage will be a long weekend beginning on May 5th. Keep up the great work !!!
Josh I really enjoy your video’s and reviews they are very in-depth & detailed. I’m looking to buy an RV as a retirement travel home, stationary 6 months and rolling 6 months. You’ve helped me narrow my decision as to what I’m going to buy. It will be a towable either Cougar, White Hawk or Flagstaff. No decision on floor plan but I need it to be towed by a 2022 non 4 wheel drive V8 5.0 F150. Are there specific floor plans you would suggest? I prefer the bedroom up front with either a walk through bathroom and rear kitchen and living room with a fireplace. With all of that said, one addition I would like to see is price point on what your reviewing. I’m not asking for an exact price just a price range. I think other viewers may find this helpful.
In a Jay Flight the cabinets beside the bed are always sized for a king regardless of which bed is installed. I believe the bed base is queen sized. The decking is really all the changes. In a white hawk the bedroom cabinet sizes change based on whether you get a king or queen bed. I think even then, though, the base is still a queen size. But if you get a white hawk with a queen and try to put a king in it, then the stand/wardrobes beside the bed may not allow a wider mattress
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks the for info and responding so quickly. We're still in the market research phase but definitely want a king (or two twins). Are you all going to be selling Airstreams now that you are Bish's? Love your videos...really appreciate the honesty!
Knowledgeable!! Very informative and sometimes come off as comedic with his facial expressions. Makes it interesting but on the plus side gives me that little bit of knowledge and confidence i need when i go to an RV dealership speaking with a sales rep.
Depends on the model. SOME are ½ ton towable for more capable half-tons, but you'd never regret having a 3/4 ton Anything more than a single slide is almost always going to be a 3/4 ton suggestion from us
I own a 23ft white hawk and my wife and I love it, we have been to Colorado from Virginia then to Florida and now we are in Florida again. We have not had any problems. I tow with a 2019 f 150, 2.7 ecoboost and we rocket up the mountains and I was getting average 14mpg. Towing!!! I'm not knocking the jayflight, I don't know it, I am just saying how I feel about my white hawk. Have a great camping experience!!!
I'm in the same boat but with the Jayflight. We don't travel as much. We like to stay in a general area for a few weeks or a few months if we like it. Usually based on weather. With that said we spend a lot of time living inside the RV and really love it. Have had no issues at all and it feels very comfortable with a family of 4. Very well made in and out. We got the 28BHS. Kids had to have to bunk beds. 🤣 We tow it with my 99' F-350 Super Duty on 37" with a 6 inch lift. (Yeah it's weird) Haven't had any problems towing it fully loaded. PS. Actually writing this sitting in the RV. My wife abd I love it more than our house.
We just got our first Travel Trailer; the 2021 White Hawk 24mbh and I can tell you at 24 degrees Fahrenheit with the electric fireplace on high the camper stays toasty without the furnace kicking in. The furnace will heat it up in about 30 minutes. After that the furnace may have come on one more time that night. The bathroom is cold if you leave the door closed but the cold package is good enough where the fireplace alone keeps it warm in the trailer. In fact the cold package seems like it works so well that the furnace will burn you out of there if you have it turned too high. We set it to 67 and had the fireplace on and the temperature inside stayed around 73.
Here's some quick points: * Flight = Conventional construction with wood studded walls. Feather features laminated walls (now with azdel!) * Flights = Taller Interior, True Queen Beds, Bigger Fridge There are a bunch of finer details but those are the "big hitter" items. It's mostly construction and size The Jay Feather's interior sort of falls between an SLX model and a full "Jay Flight" While the White Hawk is the big brother to the Jay Feather and has the bigger beds/fridge of a "Full Flight"
Josh, you put out awesome reviews, tons of great information that is by no means biased. Fact based knowledge, first hand experience, and not “pushy salesman” style. I have watched a boat load of your reviews, info videos, and comparison videos. Hands down the best reviewer I have found yet. Thank you for all you do, sharing your knowledge and experience.
We’ve had our White Hawk for about 4 + years now and it has served us well. We go out at least 1x a month for 3-5 days; a couple of weekly trips in the summer and a yearly 35-45 day snowbird trip.
Jayflight SLX - combination of price, floor plan, and trailer length (we wanted small.) The downside was the mattress - not suited to our needs. Easily fixed.
You know what? *I did too* when making this. These comparisons have been super helpful to me as well as an interesting way of "getting back in touch" with a few things I missed previously
I think it's awesome they're actually doing the testing. It's an expensive process most MFGS just won't pay for, but they're sure willing to offer those unproven promises!
@@JoshtheRVNerd great comparison but if people are interested in a Jay Flight with a laminated exterior there are certain larger models like that 33rbts where the laminate is an option
@@gopherb1500 More than just the bigger models! Available on any full "Jay Flight" and the single axle SLX models... weirdly the 8ft wide SLX models do not currently have a fiberglass option
Went with the little guy 2017 Whitehawk 23MRB primarily for the weight and towing stability. My Grand Cherokee tows it with ease and the stability axles really help. My brother “had” a stick and tin trailer and we both went through the hail storm a couple years ago. His was totaled and my Whitehawk had no damage. Not sure if the laminated construction was the difference but I was shocked with the difference in damage and we live less than a mile apart.
The skin construction differences were 100% the difference there. That fiberglass skinned jay flight option is popular in hail country for this very reason.
my dream trailer layout, 1. no slide out or I can still go from front to rear without climbing over things. 2. Turn that rear bunk are to a single, with removable top bunk and a walkway from front to back of bunk. instead of a queen a great comfortable couch. Metal siding. No more that 6500 lbs. gross weight rating.
We own a 2020 Whitehawk after having a Komfort for 10 years. I love our new Whitehawk but hubby, not so much. I am sharing this with video with him so he can see all the good attributes. He misses the Komfort and feels our Whitehawk is not as good. Good info. Thank you.
That's absolutely true and not something most folks tend to consider. Stuffing pillows into it during the colder months is certainly an option, but you'll want to make sure you're not trapping condensation up there too
@@JoshtheRVNerd I love that front window! I’m a wee bit claustrophobic, so it helps me. I lay there at night and watch the stars. It is well insulated.
There will be as soon as we can get some in stock It'll actually be a Cougar vs Montana High Country video as those are the two "neighbors" in the keystone lineup (will full "Montana" being a jump beyond)
@@JoshtheRVNerd I will look forward to it. Could you also do something (chart on the website, video, whatever) showing the vertical progression of model lineups within a manufacturer? And maybe even between manufacturers?
@@l.alanwild5468 There's no "clean" way to do that as there's not necessarily always a linear progression. Sometimes you have things that overlap or are built for different purposes in a somewhat side-by-side fashion. For instance in most ways the Jay Flight offers a superior equipment package to something like a Jay Feather, but people see fiberglass skin on the Jay Feather and assume it's "above" the Jay Flight In some ways it is. In some it's not. Usually once you get into laminated RVs the "progression" becomes a little more clear, but even then ... not always
In the process of buying a 2021 White Hawk 29BH after looking at many travel trailers and as soon I went into the White Hawk I knew this was the one I wanted because other brands seemed the same and looked cheaper made and I really liked everything about the White Hawk.
White Hawk has seriously improved the past few seasons and folks are really seeing it I think. I'm seeing more demand for white hawks and especially Jay Feathers now vs ever before
Just watching this now. It’s amazing how many of the extras that were included on my SLX8 32BDS - magnetic latch doors, side mount camera prep, solar prep, etc that wasn’t on the showroom model.
Josh, you do an amazing job of giving information to help educate those who could be potential customers. You aren't stiff and impersonal when you give your opinions and facts about the industry either. I live in Minnesota and feel comfortable saying that I would give you my business. I will be purchasing with my wife next year and I would be honored to have you sell me an RV.
Wow, Thanks Chris :) I appreciate kind notes like this greatly. I pour a ton of time and effort into all of this. It's always rewarding to know it's appreciated!
Glad you like them! More to come! I have various informational videos scheduled to come out once or twice a week all the way thru January and beyond! Recording more every day!!
I tell ya.. I approached this video feeling far heavier "Jay Flight," but when I really detailed them side by side I was left pretty conflicted. White Hawk is more money, but dang have they made some awesome enhancements.
I was *hugely* resistant to these 12v fridges for 2-3 years. I wasn't familiar with them and they felt "scary" basically Then, we actually got our hands on them and did some testing. We were blown away with how much faster they cooled + the extra storage and travel-friendly-function of the fridge & became fans quickly. The service records have been good & it's definitely something we enjoy having her enow. Rockwood is about the only brand I've seen that force-packages a solar setup with their 12v fridges. Jayco models are all roof-solar-ready standard from the factory so you can build your own solar package -- plus they have their own factory solar option if you're interested.
I don't own a travel trailer yet, your videos are very informative and I love watching you, you seem to have fun doing these. Happy Haylett days to you! Thanks
16 color and multiple strobe pattern bedroom lights ftw Flashing red lights + halloween spooky sounds tape mid-july camping season... for the neighbors..
Haylett RV Reviews, News, & More • 17 seconds ago I'll make a feather vs. white hawk when I can actually keep both of them in stock long enough. To do it properly you really need to start with feather, and show where the white hawk goes beyond, similar to how we did a video starting with SLX, then showing how Jay Flight goes to the next level. Feather USED To be a lot more like a Jay Flight SLX. Now it's sort of "between" the SLX and Jay Flight. Basically, the entire jayco laminated lineup starts with Jay Feather. Then Think of White Hawk as the "Jay Feather Plus" or "Premium" series Then into Eagle HT, eagle, then FW's
I'll be comparing stuff all over our inventory -- not just jaycos But right now with limited inventory I'm doing the best I can with what I have I spent almost all of yesterday afternoon making a Cougar vs. White Hawk video for instance.
The tin is tried an true an I recommend for people who only camp a few times a year the an the white hawk solid an great for lots of towing an traveling all over. I recommend 2 spare tires for all trailers because usually when you get flat it two on one side so better to have an not need then to need an not have. I am a 30 year tow truck driver.
Jayflight wins for me. Maintenance is way less in keeping the outside clean on tin. If it ever rots from water damage, stick and tin is way easier to repair than lamented
I'll make a feather vs. white hawk when I can actually keep both of them in stock long enough. To do it properly you really need to start with feather, and show where the white hawk goes beyond, similar to how we did a video starting with SLX, then showing how Jay Flight goes to the next level. Feather USED To be a lot more like a Jay Flight SLX. Now it's sort of "between" the SLX and Jay Flight. Basically, the entire jayco laminated lineup starts with Jay Feather. Then Think of White Hawk as the "Jay Feather Plus" or "Premium" series Then into Eagle HT, eagle, then FW's
Josh, I'm a veteran of your videos and seem to remember that the Hawks had whisper quiet AC. Is that still the case? For me , the biggest new feature for Jay-keaux is the carpetless slide floor. When I pull my tv tray up to the sofa, it doesn't sit level. I really dislike the carpet there!. Hey man, you're the best.
White Hawk has never had whisper A/C. You may be thinking of Eagle HT. White hawk and HT are darn close and easily mistaken (especially when they share a lot of floor plans)
Josh this is Richard again we are honestly thinking about a jayco but have you heard anything about the big super slide with the refrigerator the double door having a hard time with that slide if so could you post something about it thank you Josh
Can you clarify? I'm unfamiliar with what you're describing I also can't do individual videos for requests quite that specific. That's where our sales team comes in to assist you
Thank you Josh this video (and all of your videos really!) is great. Our family is looking at these two models right now. Two quick questions: 1) does JayCommand allow the interior lights to be dimmed? 2) can a WhiteHawk have a rear cargo accessory receiver to load a bike rack? Thanks again!!
Hmm.. I see a LOT of RVs and that's a pretty fine detail. I'm 2nd guessing myself. I *THINK* you can do that through the app, but man.. I'm THINKING that -- not KNOWING that so please don't hesitate to drop our team a note at 800-256-5196 if you need verification Had to double check on the hitching -- I do not see where White Hawk offers that feature. It's *less* common on those Norco Chassis type campers like this
White Hawks do not use floor heating vents. Jay flights have floor heating vents. White Hawks are 0 degree rated yet Jay Flights are not? I’m a little confused because your past videos state that floor vents offer superior 4 season capability?
Not a great deal. The White Hawk has "bulked up" over the years as it transitioned from a true Ultralite to something I think of as an "Ultralite Plus" -- sort of like a Cougar. You'll save a few hundred pounds on a White Hawk The Jay Feather has really established itself as the light weight member of the Jayco Family
@@JoshtheRVNerd trying to avoid walls from pulling apart I have no idea how the new regular fiberglass are made now I guess im looking for that travel trailer that has aluminum wall framed with Azdel to me it seems more reliable so confused on which model to get I know the floor plan I want but wall constriction im at a lost
dose the Rockwood use Adel on all the walls the geo pro little too small basically the geo pro but bigger researching the rocked to see what line is made like it thx
@@jonathan993 I think you're at a point where you'd benefit greatly from speaking with a member of our team. There are all sorts of different ways to take this and the limitations of this text-based response platform here aren't really allowing me to do what I need for you. You will really benefit from speaking with a qualified team member here. In exchange for the fair opportunity to earn your business when you're ready we're always happy to dive into all sorts of nitty gritty details to make sure you're headed down the right path!
Great comparison vid! Nice breakout of the diffs. Props for the side view tech. Note to self, Get That! Once again, we hear about the Jayco Magnum Truss System. When I need to haul cinder blocks blocks with my Travel Trailer, [as seen on Jayco construction video] I know which unit to get. Seriously though Jayco - Whitehawk, Lance and ORV were the finalists in our Trailer search. ORV won in part for their custom trailer frames built to floor-plan by ORV. Love the lingo "Stick & Tin" "Tow & Go" my fave "Wiggle Jiggle". Great callout on trailer movement, Bounce Porpoising, Sway. I looked hard at wide stance. I wanted to reduce Pitch Yaw and Roll. The wide stance covers Pitch and Yaw reduction but not roll. ORV covers Pitch and roll with shocks my Curt WD covers yaw with significant sway resistance. As always, love your style and I almost always learn something new.
Can't fault you for feeling good about ORV. They they weren't clear across the country I'd seriously consider them among our lineup here. A little spendy, but a great product.
Great walkthrough/comparison. I love videos like this. It is very helpful for us that are still in the beginning stages of learning so when the time comes we can help make our own informed decision on what kind of camper we would be best suited for. I would love to see a video about the pros and cons of metal skin vs fiberglass. It looks like if you really wanted it even the Jay Flight can be ordered in fiberglass and I'm wondering what the potential advantages are and whether or not purchasing one (any camper with fiberglass) over the other for longevity would make a difference if proper maintenance and storage were applied to the camper. Also, I'm not necessarily afraid of buying a stick and tin camper but there is definitely a hesitation when you hear wood framing just for the fact that anytime rotting has occurred we assume that it wouldn't have occurred if it was an aluminum framed camper. Assuming again that proper maintenance and storage has taken place is this something buyers should consider when buying in today's market? Based on Haylett carrying both brands I would think not but I would love to hear or see your take on these topics.
Proper upkeep is something that affects any type of trailer. Common misconception it somehow matters more on a stick and tin camper vs. laminated. Frankly.. leaks are more costly to repair on laminated vs. conventional campers. I have a pretty healthy video covering this and more here: ruclips.net/video/R8BE2f8bd5o/видео.html
Dude! Best Miss Piggy impression I’ve ever heard! Great video. I’d love to see a comparison between Rockwood Mini Lite and Ultra Lite if you get a chance.
Hey.. I *EARNED* that piece of paper... and also yes the $50k of debt helped Real talk? I don't know if I'd go that traditional route again. I'm not so sure things like trade schools aren't a better option for a lot of people. Half-way thru my degree I felt less and less I was attending an institution of education and more fuel for a profit machine
@@JoshtheRVNerd same. I have 2 degrees that qualify me to do the job I had before having any degrees. Tesla is an evolved company and puts talent ahead of parchment. I hope it trends.
@@rabbi7933 I did some looking into effective communication with the public. I found it's recommended to speak at an 8th grade level while you need to write at only a 5th grade level to effectively communicate with the largest number of people. I am also a really down to earth guy who focuses on being effective first and flowery second. It all kind of lined up with our presentations.
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I really appreciate this video. Thanks for explaining this.
Awesome explanation. Thank You for your hard work. 💕
Hi Josh, have you done a Jay Flight vs Jay Feather comparison yet?
I wish you guys had a dealership in Ontario, Canada.
I get messages like this regularly. TY for the kind words :)
King, king, king
So.. king then? Lol 😉
14:00 you mentioned that the White Hawks with the theater seats have heat and massage?! Could you do a video on this? I don’t see any information on this feature on Jayco’s website.
This footage is now aged slightly. Little stuff like that might not be 100% accurate currently -- especially after last year's various supplier challenges
Love these comparison videos. Very helpful in decisin making. Maybe a top three pros and potential cons on each as a summary or intro.
Great video !!! Your videos helped us choose what we just purchased. We just bought a 2023 White Hawk 29RL, we love it !! We had a 2005 Eagle 308 FBS that we bought new, and just put it on a permanent site as a vacation place at the shore. We have shared your youtube channel with our family and friends. And just 2 weeks ago, one of my long time friends purchased his first travel trailer. it is a leftover 2020 Jay Flight 295BHS. Thier maiden voyage will be a long weekend beginning on May 5th. Keep up the great work !!!
Josh I really enjoy your video’s and reviews they are very in-depth & detailed. I’m looking to buy an RV as a retirement travel home, stationary 6 months and rolling 6 months. You’ve helped me narrow my decision as to what I’m going to buy. It will be a towable either Cougar, White Hawk or Flagstaff. No decision on floor plan but I need it to be towed by a 2022 non 4 wheel drive V8 5.0 F150. Are there specific floor plans you would suggest? I prefer the bedroom up front with either a walk through bathroom and rear kitchen and living room with a fireplace.
With all of that said, one addition I would like to see is price point on what your reviewing. I’m not asking for an exact price just a price range. I think other viewers may find this helpful.
I appreciate the input but this video here explains why I do what I do m.ruclips.net/video/nhH4HDTxzFU/видео.html
Thanks
Great job explaining the jayco and the White hawk I wish you had a comparison of The Grand design or grand reflection and the White hawk
I hope to resume this comparison series this summer especially now that we have expanded options available on this channel
Which is gonna be better suited for camping in sub freezing temps? Skiing areas etc.
White hawk is actually tested and proven to 0
I think flight COULD but it isn’t tested
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you! Looking at different jayco products for when we camp without toys. Have a truck camper for when we bring toys.
Very well done!
TY!
Does the base change if you order a King or is it as simple as getting a queen and just buying a King mattress? Like Whitehawk better 🙂
In a Jay Flight the cabinets beside the bed are always sized for a king regardless of which bed is installed. I believe the bed base is queen sized. The decking is really all the changes.
In a white hawk the bedroom cabinet sizes change based on whether you get a king or queen bed. I think even then, though, the base is still a queen size.
But if you get a white hawk with a queen and try to put a king in it, then the stand/wardrobes beside the bed may not allow a wider mattress
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks the for info and responding so quickly. We're still in the market research phase but definitely want a king (or two twins). Are you all going to be selling Airstreams now that you are Bish's? Love your videos...really appreciate the honesty!
Knowledgeable!! Very informative and sometimes come off as comedic with his facial expressions. Makes it interesting but on the plus side gives me that little bit of knowledge and confidence i need when i go to an RV dealership speaking with a sales rep.
Well thank you. Just me being the goofball I am. Thanks for spending some time with us :)
rear kitchen white hawk
The 26RK?
your the best Josh, white hawk would be my choice
TY Sammy :)
What size truck would I need for a White Hawk? 1/2 ton? 3/4 ton?
Depends on the model. SOME are ½ ton towable for more capable half-tons, but you'd never regret having a 3/4 ton
Anything more than a single slide is almost always going to be a 3/4 ton suggestion from us
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes that’s what I told my wife! Thanks for confirming
@@JoshtheRVNerd I think the model we want is the 32 BH? What would I need for that?
Pretty long and heavy. I would advise 3/4
I own a 23ft white hawk and my wife and I love it, we have been to Colorado from Virginia then to Florida and now we are in Florida again. We have not had any problems. I tow with a 2019 f 150, 2.7 ecoboost and we rocket up the mountains and I was getting average 14mpg. Towing!!! I'm not knocking the jayflight, I don't know it, I am just saying how I feel about my white hawk. Have a great camping experience!!!
TY for sharing!
I'm in the same boat but with the Jayflight. We don't travel as much. We like to stay in a general area for a few weeks or a few months if we like it. Usually based on weather. With that said we spend a lot of time living inside the RV and really love it. Have had no issues at all and it feels very comfortable with a family of 4. Very well made in and out. We got the 28BHS. Kids had to have to bunk beds. 🤣 We tow it with my 99' F-350 Super Duty on 37" with a 6 inch lift. (Yeah it's weird) Haven't had any problems towing it fully loaded.
PS. Actually writing this sitting in the RV. My wife abd I love it more than our house.
i feel like jayflights are less fluff but way more solid ie thicker floors
They're definitely that "Field Sergeant" type of RV leading the charge thru the trenches
@@JoshtheRVNerd right on
I'm a full size person
We just got our first Travel Trailer; the 2021 White Hawk 24mbh and I can tell you at 24 degrees Fahrenheit with the electric fireplace on high the camper stays toasty without the furnace kicking in. The furnace will heat it up in about 30 minutes. After that the furnace may have come on one more time that night. The bathroom is cold if you leave the door closed but the cold package is good enough where the fireplace alone keeps it warm in the trailer. In fact the cold package seems like it works so well that the furnace will burn you out of there if you have it turned too high. We set it to 67 and had the fireplace on and the temperature inside stayed around 73.
Just be careful.. if you're not running the furnace, then you're not heating the belly and protecting the pipes
AT 5 toot 3 I dont worry about roof to floor height.
Also means more legroom in the movie theaters!
Hi Josh- what is the difference between jay flight and jay feather?
Here's some quick points:
* Flight = Conventional construction with wood studded walls. Feather features laminated walls (now with azdel!)
* Flights = Taller Interior, True Queen Beds, Bigger Fridge
There are a bunch of finer details but those are the "big hitter" items. It's mostly construction and size
The Jay Feather's interior sort of falls between an SLX model and a full "Jay Flight"
While the White Hawk is the big brother to the Jay Feather and has the bigger beds/fridge of a "Full Flight"
Josh, you put out awesome reviews, tons of great information that is by no means biased. Fact based knowledge, first hand experience, and not “pushy salesman” style. I have watched a boat load of your reviews, info videos, and comparison videos. Hands down the best reviewer I have found yet. Thank you for all you do, sharing your knowledge and experience.
I appreciate that!
We’ve had our White Hawk for about 4 + years now and it has served us well. We go out at least 1x a month for 3-5 days; a couple of weekly trips in the summer and a yearly 35-45 day snowbird trip.
Thx for sharing!
Jayflight SLX - combination of price, floor plan, and trailer length (we wanted small.) The downside was the mattress - not suited to our needs. Easily fixed.
Ty Jeff!
we were very happy to get a king bed in our new jay flight when we upgraded.
Awesome comparison video, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Best videos on RUclips! Keep up the great work
Man.. thank you. Been a rough morning. Not much has gone smoothly. Kind words like this are always appreciated
What an awesome comparison. I learned stuff about my Jay Flight I didn't even know lol
You know what? *I did too* when making this. These comparisons have been super helpful to me as well as an interesting way of "getting back in touch" with a few things I missed previously
I like the comparison video. Both are great choices. I like the White Hawk better and the 4 season package sounds awesome.
I think it's awesome they're actually doing the testing. It's an expensive process most MFGS just won't pay for, but they're sure willing to offer those unproven promises!
@@JoshtheRVNerd great comparison but if people are interested in a Jay Flight with a laminated exterior there are certain larger models like that 33rbts where the laminate is an option
@@gopherb1500 More than just the bigger models! Available on any full "Jay Flight" and the single axle SLX models... weirdly the 8ft wide SLX models do not currently have a fiberglass option
Went with the little guy 2017 Whitehawk 23MRB primarily for the weight and towing stability. My Grand Cherokee tows it with ease and the stability axles really help. My brother “had” a stick and tin trailer and we both went through the hail storm a couple years ago. His was totaled and my Whitehawk had no damage. Not sure if the laminated construction was the difference but I was shocked with the difference in damage and we live less than a mile apart.
The skin construction differences were 100% the difference there. That fiberglass skinned jay flight option is popular in hail country for this very reason.
I really like the White Hawk better. Won't be too long before we drive from Atlanta to buy. Thanks for all the info
Good choice! We'll see you soon!
Which model do you have your eyes set upon?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Jay Flight 29 RKS
@@scotterickson1582 Then you'll love this one right here! ruclips.net/video/B5qw7Xsgd0U/видео.html
my dream trailer layout, 1. no slide out or I can still go from front to rear without climbing over things. 2. Turn that rear bunk are to a single, with removable top bunk and a walkway from front to back of bunk. instead of a queen a great comfortable couch. Metal siding. No more that 6500 lbs. gross weight rating.
That's crazy -- I was chatting with the guys at Wildwood about something like this the other day... Not EXACTLY like you've described, but close!!
King upgrade!!
We own a 2020 Whitehawk after having a Komfort for 10 years. I love our new Whitehawk but hubby, not so much. I am sharing this with video with him so he can see all the good attributes. He misses the Komfort and feels our Whitehawk is not as good. Good info. Thank you.
Each person seeks different things in an RV. I think you've done quite well with your white hawk, but I don't know what features he feels he misses
One item I'm not sure I would want is the front windshield. Having a window that large over the bed could let in a lot of cold.
That's absolutely true and not something most folks tend to consider. Stuffing pillows into it during the colder months is certainly an option, but you'll want to make sure you're not trapping condensation up there too
@@JoshtheRVNerd I love that front window! I’m a wee bit claustrophobic, so it helps me. I lay there at night and watch the stars. It is well insulated.
I am here for the Miss Piggy impersonations.
Aren't we all?
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Really enjoying the comparison videos. Hoping that Cougar vs. Montana is in the works.
There will be as soon as we can get some in stock
It'll actually be a Cougar vs Montana High Country video as those are the two "neighbors" in the keystone lineup (will full "Montana" being a jump beyond)
@@JoshtheRVNerd I will look forward to it. Could you also do something (chart on the website, video, whatever) showing the vertical progression of model lineups within a manufacturer? And maybe even between manufacturers?
@@l.alanwild5468 There's no "clean" way to do that as there's not necessarily always a linear progression. Sometimes you have things that overlap or are built for different purposes in a somewhat side-by-side fashion.
For instance in most ways the Jay Flight offers a superior equipment package to something like a Jay Feather, but people see fiberglass skin on the Jay Feather and assume it's "above" the Jay Flight
In some ways it is. In some it's not.
Usually once you get into laminated RVs the "progression" becomes a little more clear, but even then ... not always
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated as always.
In the process of buying a 2021 White Hawk 29BH after looking at many travel trailers and as soon I went into the White Hawk I knew this was the one I wanted because other brands seemed the same and looked cheaper made and I really liked everything about the White Hawk.
White Hawk has seriously improved the past few seasons and folks are really seeing it I think. I'm seeing more demand for white hawks and especially Jay Feathers now vs ever before
Just watching this now. It’s amazing how many of the extras that were included on my SLX8 32BDS - magnetic latch doors, side mount camera prep, solar prep, etc that wasn’t on the showroom model.
How much does it weigh
Josh, you do an amazing job of giving information to help educate those who could be potential customers. You aren't stiff and impersonal when you give your opinions and facts about the industry either. I live in Minnesota and feel comfortable saying that I would give you my business. I will be purchasing with my wife next year and I would be honored to have you sell me an RV.
Wow, Thanks Chris :)
I appreciate kind notes like this greatly. I pour a ton of time and effort into all of this. It's always rewarding to know it's appreciated!
I love the comparison videos. You really know your stuff Josh! Thanks! Nice job!
Glad you like them! More to come!
I have various informational videos scheduled to come out once or twice a week all the way thru January and beyond! Recording more every day!!
My vote goes to Jayflight. Ceiling height at the sidewalls does it for me.
I tell ya.. I approached this video feeling far heavier "Jay Flight," but when I really detailed them side by side I was left pretty conflicted. White Hawk is more money, but dang have they made some awesome enhancements.
Another great comparison. I prefer the queen mattress over the king. Maybe if I was FT, but as a weekender, queen is fine.
Fair enough! Thx for sharing!
What is your opinion on the new Furion 12v fridge system? Does Jayco include a solar panel with this system?
I was *hugely* resistant to these 12v fridges for 2-3 years. I wasn't familiar with them and they felt "scary" basically
Then, we actually got our hands on them and did some testing. We were blown away with how much faster they cooled + the extra storage and travel-friendly-function of the fridge & became fans quickly.
The service records have been good & it's definitely something we enjoy having her enow.
Rockwood is about the only brand I've seen that force-packages a solar setup with their 12v fridges. Jayco models are all roof-solar-ready standard from the factory so you can build your own solar package -- plus they have their own factory solar option if you're interested.
I don't own a travel trailer yet, your videos are very informative and I love watching you, you seem to have fun doing these. Happy Haylett days to you! Thanks
Awesome! Thank you!
get rid of the blue light and use Red that would be awsome
oh and keep the queen bed I love my sleep number
16 color and multiple strobe pattern bedroom lights ftw
Flashing red lights + halloween spooky sounds tape mid-july camping season... for the neighbors..
So is this the same as comparing a Jay Feather and a SLX?
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I'll make a feather vs. white hawk when I can actually keep both of them in stock long enough.
To do it properly you really need to start with feather, and show where the white hawk goes beyond, similar to how we did a video starting with SLX, then showing how Jay Flight goes to the next level.
Feather USED To be a lot more like a Jay Flight SLX. Now it's sort of "between" the SLX and Jay Flight.
Basically, the entire jayco laminated lineup starts with Jay Feather.
Then Think of White Hawk as the "Jay Feather Plus" or "Premium" series
Then into Eagle HT, eagle, then FW's
Thanks Josh!
Great information to pass along 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Josh you should compare different brands to one another in the same class. That would be a interesting video.
I'll be comparing stuff all over our inventory -- not just jaycos
But right now with limited inventory I'm doing the best I can with what I have
I spent almost all of yesterday afternoon making a Cougar vs. White Hawk video for instance.
The tin is tried an true an I recommend for people who only camp a few times a year the an the white hawk solid an great for lots of towing an traveling all over. I recommend 2 spare tires for all trailers because usually when you get flat it two on one side so better to have an not need then to need an not have. I am a 30 year tow truck driver.
Great tip!
Jayflight wins for me. Maintenance is way less in keeping the outside clean on tin. If it ever rots from water damage, stick and tin is way easier to repair than lamented
btw, I appreciate these comparison videos
Thanks for all the watching you've done this year! We have PLENTY more of these to come!
How does the Jay Feather match up with these two? It looks to me that it’s kinda the middle child.
I'll make a feather vs. white hawk when I can actually keep both of them in stock long enough.
To do it properly you really need to start with feather, and show where the white hawk goes beyond, similar to how we did a video starting with SLX, then showing how Jay Flight goes to the next level.
Feather USED To be a lot more like a Jay Flight SLX. Now it's sort of "between" the SLX and Jay Flight.
Basically, the entire jayco laminated lineup starts with Jay Feather.
Then Think of White Hawk as the "Jay Feather Plus" or "Premium" series
Then into Eagle HT, eagle, then FW's
Thank you for the awesome videos!! #Whitehawk would be my choice!
Thx for watching, Lacy :)
Josh, I'm a veteran of your videos and seem to remember that the Hawks had whisper quiet AC. Is that still the case? For me
, the biggest new feature for Jay-keaux is the carpetless slide floor. When I pull my tv tray up to the sofa, it doesn't sit level. I really dislike the carpet there!. Hey man, you're the best.
White Hawk has never had whisper A/C. You may be thinking of Eagle HT. White hawk and HT are darn close and easily mistaken (especially when they share a lot of floor plans)
Very informative, thanks. BTW, I full-time so I'm liking the Whitehawk.
Good choice!
Josh this is Richard again we are honestly thinking about a jayco but have you heard anything about the big super slide with the refrigerator the double door having a hard time with that slide if so could you post something about it thank you Josh
Can you clarify? I'm unfamiliar with what you're describing
I also can't do individual videos for requests quite that specific. That's where our sales team comes in to assist you
Thank you Josh this video (and all of your videos really!) is great. Our family is looking at these two models right now. Two quick questions: 1) does JayCommand allow the interior lights to be dimmed? 2) can a WhiteHawk have a rear cargo accessory receiver to load a bike rack? Thanks again!!
Hmm.. I see a LOT of RVs and that's a pretty fine detail. I'm 2nd guessing myself. I *THINK* you can do that through the app, but man.. I'm THINKING that -- not KNOWING that so please don't hesitate to drop our team a note at 800-256-5196 if you need verification
Had to double check on the hitching -- I do not see where White Hawk offers that feature. It's *less* common on those Norco Chassis type campers like this
White Hawks do not use floor heating vents. Jay flights have floor heating vents. White Hawks are 0 degree rated yet Jay Flights are not? I’m a little confused because your past videos state that floor vents offer superior 4 season capability?
I may not have provided excellent clarity here
White hawks actually use a combination of both
Extra heating where needed
Easier upkeep where possible
If comparing similar floor plans, what is the weight difference between the two?
Not a great deal. The White Hawk has "bulked up" over the years as it transitioned from a true Ultralite to something I think of as an "Ultralite Plus" -- sort of like a Cougar.
You'll save a few hundred pounds on a White Hawk
The Jay Feather has really established itself as the light weight member of the Jayco Family
#whitehawk
The windshield over the bed and the improved suspension for easier towing standout to me.
Thx for sharing!!
I'm trying to find a camper that has Azdel on all the camper walls. im at a lost on finding who produces a travel trailer like this thanks.
Rockwood's Geo Pro is one of the few that fits the bill. May I ask why such a focus on Azdel?
@@JoshtheRVNerd trying to avoid walls from pulling apart I have no idea how the new regular fiberglass are made now I guess im looking for that travel trailer that has aluminum wall framed with Azdel to me it seems more reliable so confused on which model to get I know the floor plan I want but wall constriction im at a lost
dose the Rockwood use Adel on all the walls the geo pro little too small basically the geo pro but bigger researching the rocked to see what line is made like it thx
sorry spellcheck not working in my favor toda.
@@jonathan993 I think you're at a point where you'd benefit greatly from speaking with a member of our team. There are all sorts of different ways to take this and the limitations of this text-based response platform here aren't really allowing me to do what I need for you.
You will really benefit from speaking with a qualified team member here. In exchange for the fair opportunity to earn your business when you're ready we're always happy to dive into all sorts of nitty gritty details to make sure you're headed down the right path!
Great comparison vid! Nice breakout of the diffs. Props for the side view tech. Note to self, Get That! Once again, we hear about the Jayco Magnum Truss System. When I need to haul cinder blocks blocks with my Travel Trailer, [as seen on Jayco construction video] I know which unit to get. Seriously though Jayco - Whitehawk, Lance and ORV were the finalists in our Trailer search. ORV won in part for their custom trailer frames built to floor-plan by ORV. Love the lingo "Stick & Tin" "Tow & Go" my fave "Wiggle Jiggle". Great callout on trailer movement, Bounce Porpoising, Sway. I looked hard at wide stance. I wanted to reduce Pitch Yaw and Roll. The wide stance covers Pitch and Yaw reduction but not roll. ORV covers Pitch and roll with shocks my Curt WD covers yaw with significant sway resistance. As always, love your style and I almost always learn something new.
Can't fault you for feeling good about ORV. They they weren't clear across the country I'd seriously consider them among our lineup here. A little spendy, but a great product.
How big of an ORV did you get? Our 28' Jayflight seems to do well behind a Super Duty Long Bed 1 ton. Was just curious.
PS. Love your Tag 😁 EC bro!
Great stuff padawan!!
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Great comparison video Josh. I REALLY love the White Hawk line though...I just can't help it. But thanks for the run down. bill in Florida
Great walkthrough/comparison. I love videos like this. It is very helpful for us that are still in the beginning stages of learning so when the time comes we can help make our own informed decision on what kind of camper we would be best suited for. I would love to see a video about the pros and cons of metal skin vs fiberglass. It looks like if you really wanted it even the Jay Flight can be ordered in fiberglass and I'm wondering what the potential advantages are and whether or not purchasing one (any camper with fiberglass) over the other for longevity would make a difference if proper maintenance and storage were applied to the camper. Also, I'm not necessarily afraid of buying a stick and tin camper but there is definitely a hesitation when you hear wood framing just for the fact that anytime rotting has occurred we assume that it wouldn't have occurred if it was an aluminum framed camper. Assuming again that proper maintenance and storage has taken place is this something buyers should consider when buying in today's market? Based on Haylett carrying both brands I would think not but I would love to hear or see your take on these topics.
Proper upkeep is something that affects any type of trailer. Common misconception it somehow matters more on a stick and tin camper vs. laminated.
Frankly.. leaks are more costly to repair on laminated vs. conventional campers. I have a pretty healthy video covering this and more here: ruclips.net/video/R8BE2f8bd5o/видео.html
Dude! Best Miss Piggy impression I’ve ever heard! Great video. I’d love to see a comparison between Rockwood Mini Lite and Ultra Lite if you get a chance.
I'll definitely be working my way thru our inventory once we can actually get some in stock. Thanks for watching!
#whitehawk
Thx for watching :)
“Dissimilar” Ooh, putting that $50k of college debt to use for us. I appreciate that. 👏 👏 👏
Hey.. I *EARNED* that piece of paper... and also yes the $50k of debt helped
Real talk? I don't know if I'd go that traditional route again. I'm not so sure things like trade schools aren't a better option for a lot of people. Half-way thru my degree I felt less and less I was attending an institution of education and more fuel for a profit machine
And apparently they're bad with their money because they continue to mail me asking for more. lol
@@JoshtheRVNerd same. I have 2 degrees that qualify me to do the job I had before having any degrees. Tesla is an evolved company and puts talent ahead of parchment. I hope it trends.
@@rabbi7933 I did some looking into effective communication with the public. I found it's recommended to speak at an 8th grade level while you need to write at only a 5th grade level to effectively communicate with the largest number of people.
I am also a really down to earth guy who focuses on being effective first and flowery second. It all kind of lined up with our presentations.
I really like these comparisons, thanks.
More to come!!