Colin Rants About Gun Control - The GameOverGreggy Show Ep. 134 (Pt. 1)
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2016
- Colin shares his views on gun control.
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When you see the title and know that the video will be bomb
Yes true......
Indeed
like ISIS bomb ?
why just ISIS?
I love me a good Colin rant.
8:40 Tim was winning lowkey
Naw those numbers don't count in a gun violence list. That's the point that Colin was making and flew over Tim's head. When someone dies in a car accident we don't count that as murder or suicide. The definition shouldn't change because of the tool.
Agreed it almost always gets under my skin when a topic like this comes up and tim makes a very valid point, and it sort of just fades out in to silence and no one seems to address it. I agree with tim, while i may think guns are great or not why does everyone think they have a right to them? My sister bought me a pair of nunchuks and a blade (as in a antique type thing) and she wasnt allowed to bring it back from her trip to barcelona.. Is it my right or entitlement that i must have those weapons? No.. Did it bother me, sure i guess.. At no point is it necessary for guns to be as readily available as they are in a world where weed is illegal yet alcohol/cigarettes are STILL LEGAL.. Genuinely some things need to change and the gun laws are one of many.
+bideomanlol it didnt fly over tims head tims point was those may not be gun violence per se but if those guns killed people even by accident or by suicide, they shouldnt be so easy to get.. He isn't wrong either in my view.
+Imran Kazzy That's the thing though it wasn't a valid point in what Colin was talking about at that point. He was speaking of gun VIOLENCE. Very different from someone killing themselves or something like that. The reason you didn't get you guns or nunchucks is because she had to pass customs and even probably flew, airlines don't allow weapons. It doesn't pertain. Yes guns should have regulation but you can't say well I never wanted a gun so no one should. It's a narrow world view and not looking at what America is as a country.
+bideomanlol knife not guns when it says guns and nunchucks lol my bad
You disappoint me Colin. I agree with Greg.
Colin is probably the smartest of the bunch tbh. Hes a bit cynical but greg hardly knows what hes talking about on political issues
Agreed. I take an interest in politics and keeping up to date like Colin (and consider myself an open-minded conservative like him), but I'm on the same page as Greg in terms of not expecting legislators to ever fix problems.
Disappointed? He's not your son. It's just his opinion. Don't take it so personally.
As usual, Colin takes the more narrowminded view for the sake of appearing more emotional and ranty.
Linkenski Seems like the only one that made intelligent points.
I miss seeing all the guys together talking about these kind of things
Simpler times man
Tim, you stayed silent for most of this discussion but I wish you hadn't. I have a feeling it's because when up against someone like Colin (who I love and respect by the way), you maybe feel like you don't have the knowledge or articulation to argue his points, but I think you do, and should. I could see it in your face, you had a LOT to say, and I wish you had said it. The few times you did speak up, you made total sense and your points were completely valid and true, and it actually annoyed me a bit the way Colin shut you down on them. Don't worry about being afraid you won't be able to articulate your words or get your view across clearly, just put it forward anyway. You are extremely intelligent, forward thinking, and an all round good guy. Please, please, please get your voice heard more in these kinds of discussions. I guarantee you people want to hear it.
Thank you Steve. I try. - Tim
I'd have to agree. I'll start by saying that on most subjects I agree with Colin rather than Tim, but not in this instance. In general I enjoy their often polarized opinions since it spurs better conversation but I did think Colin was overly dismissive of Tim's points this time.
I also find it extremely odd that Colin argues wait periods, better background checks, etc are more than worth it if we can save just a few lives, but then states we shouldn't flat out ban guns because it's "giving away rights for no reason." I'm fairly certain that saving people from getting shot or gun-related accidents would be the reason. You can't say that "your side tried" and "checked all the boxes" in instances of future gun violence with just a few minor changes.
On top of that, his 3rd amendment argument is crazy. Yes, the rationale behind the 3rd amendment is archaic (in the same way the original rational behind the 2nd amendment is no longer applicable), but the ongoing presence of the 3rd amendment does not get people killed.
I agree with Colin that doing away with the 2nd amendment is impossible in America's current state. That being said, it doesn't discount the fact that there are some damn good arguments as to why it might be a good idea.
I think he thought those should count because they were still deaths caused by a gun, an if no one had guns, those deaths wouldn't have happened in theory.
+Kinda Funny Tim, I usually disagree with most of the opinions you express on the show, but I remember one topic where I agreed with you and disagreed with Colin. That day you made me realize that you won't ALWAYS agree with someone, and that an opposite opinion, even if you disagree with it, can only bring more to the table. You're voice on this show is crucial, ESPECIALLY when you disagree witn Colin. You're existence made me realize that you eventually will, even if only once, disagree with someone you usually agree with, and vice versa. I will forever cherish your presence as a member of Kinda Funny, and as a human being in general. You have helped me grow as a person and I couldn't thank you enough for that.
+Kinda Funny good stuff Tim, I was waiting for someone to bring up the 'FACT' that less guns = less gun violence, mass or individual. Respect bud
It's not governments job to do anything, it's the citizens responsibility to get things done.
Wtf?
Op, you're one of ths few that knows what you're talking about.
That's just not true. Do some research and get back to me on that one
Last time I was this early the UK was still a part of the EU
nice 1
+Gav Kandola God damn dude, this is literally the 150th time I've seen this exact comment. Come up with a new joke!!!
+20buckman12
First time I've heard it, and this only happened a few days ago.
Good thing they still are a part of the EU currently.
The UK is still a part of the EU. I guess your'e too stupid to realise that though.
Anybody agree that they need to bring back Conversation with Colin?
^this
I’d love to know how everyone feels about this 7 years later
I love you Colin, but your argument here baffles me. I'm from England where it is illegal to purchase a gun, only a few people I know have guns and these are farmers who have the license to shoot grouse. as a result our gun violence is significantly lower, proportionally and regularly, than the USA. You're arguing that your gun crime is low proportional to the amount of guns in America, but surely that's the problem? Having so many guns within a country increases the chance of dying by one. By removing the means to kill surely you are creating a safer environment. I genuinely don't understand the argument for pro gun and I think that America needs to tighten its laws. I of course however appreciate and respect your opinion, stay awesome guys.
All in the name of freedom...
+Ten Don but to suggest that having guns somehow makes you free is ridiculous
Guns are like glitter; it's easy to keep it out to prevent any mess, but once it's everywhere, it's impossible to get it all out.
Also, they're different countries. What works for one place doesn't necessarily work for another.
+Bobo yeah but all you have to do is look at Australia? They banned the use of guns and gun crime dropped 80%?
Also suicides dropped 40%, a huge statistic which proves that having a gun makes it much easier to commit suicide. It could happen, your politicians however aren't willing to potentially ruin their careers for the greater good, or receive the back lash that would undoubtedly unveil
There are plenty of reasons to have weapons.
1. Fear of the Government
2. Hunting
3. Protection for family
Bear in mind, I'm someone who hates guns and hasn't even shot one. I don't believe in them personally, but I understand the point of owning them and respect their rights to do so.
Been a fan of Colin since his days with IGN & he betrayed me when he blocked me for disagreeing with his opinion on something. No longer a fan Moriarty.
Also I really disagree with his opinion on this.
what was your topic about ? , i know its about guns but whats your side on it
How significantly different an opinion could you have? The main thrust of this video is that legislatures should legislate instead of spout rhetoric. Also, I think a compromise is better than a stalemate any day.
If he blocked you, you probably said more than just respectfully disagreeing
He did the same to me on twitter. Just goes to show how shallow he is.
Thank god I don't live in America, don't have to deal with school shootings or stupid gun laws.
I live in America, and I don't deal with it. I'm more likely to die in a car accident than get shot by someone. Don't be dense.
+Pierre Conrad Exactly.
+Pierre Conrad yeah fuck people and their deaths you didnt have to experience it
where do you live?
The excuse of "it could be much worse" in terms of gun violence in the US is fucking ridiculous. Just because it could be worse doesn't mean it can't be better.
Tim made a really valid point about "why do accidents not count?" Guess what: accidents that involve guns wouldn't happen if guns weren't so easily attainable. Kids shoot their parents or themselves by accident in the States on a more-often-than-excusable basis. You're damn fucking right accidents count, Colin....
Without reading through 2008 comments ... does anyone have a link for the T shirt discussed at the beginning of the show?
Colin my dude, Australia hasn't had any mass shootings in years since we dramatically changed our gun laws.
True but the US isn't getting rid of any guns. It's so deeply ingrained in our society that it's going to be impossible.
Only they have and how did the hostage situation turn out in that mall?
Gun control laws really worked well in paris didnt they?
BROWNMIST44 Did i say they were the same? These gun restrictions are being proposed because of a terrorist attack. Im saying that gun control laws dont stop terrorist attacks, im not comparing that to regular gun violence.
there are smarter ways to do that than by banning gun rights, namely, by properly identifying mental health issues. coincidence all these shooters were found to be mentally insane PRIOR to the shooting? they were never identified...by the government... the same government who says guns need to be taken away
Oh boy that title alone has me excited!
The "earth is round" argument at the end actually had me laughing out loud. Great topic!
8:38 - I think Tim actually has a valid point here. Colin kinda just shrugged it off but I think that it is definitely a hole in his argument. Studies show that people on the verge of suicide are less likely to die if there is not a gun available to them. I agree with Colin on most issues, but I think this is a hole in his logic.
I also feel very much the way Greg does. Nothing ever happens and it's embarrassing.
+Casey Evans also, if Greg is talking about the filibuster that just recently happened, that was to actually force a vote, not avoid one. The people filibustering were actually trying to force something to be done on the issue.
Guns make it far easier to kill oneself than most other means (easier to accidentally shoot yourself and easier to have a painless, quick death). Other forms of suicide require you to either do something that hurts without instant death (which your body will naturally try to physically halt) or do something they takes more time to set-up or may not immediately kill you. Those things at the very least act as last-minute grasps for people to reconsider the act or someone else to intervene. Guns remove some of those hurdles.
Or it means less will actually commit suicide as they will then have to take other means that require more effort and leave more avenues to reconsider and back out or for someone else to intervene. Pain can be a deterrent to numerous people, I'd like to keep that in place if it'll save more lives.
Assisted Suicide is generally a different topic all together. Those are usually cases of terminally ill people or those living with life-harming conditions deciding, with counsel and time reconsider, to decide when to end their suffering. For a few more well known cases (I'm not that familiar with the practice) it can allow family members time to grieve without the shock/abrupt timing of a sudden death.
I never said no one would commit suicide if they didn't have guns, but it would prevent some. Like you said, the overall goal is to prevent them all but you can't easily just do that. So while we figure out how to achieve that goal, let's do the thing that will prevent those that can't get over that line from finding an easier path to do it in the meantime.
It's the same as domestic killing. Yes, someone who really wants to kill someone else can just use a knife on them, but it takes much more effort to do, allows the other individual to fight back/retreat more effectively/harder to outright kill someone. It's a lot more likely that someone else could intervene and keep someone alive if they poison themselves or attempt to jump off a bridge than if they found someone who shot themselves.
Its Grandpa Colin time. ;-)
how are u doing today Tim?
+Kyle Davis I am great Kyle! Thanks for asking. - Tim
Get a room u 2
jk =)
+Kinda Funny hey Greg do you know kyle and Deana
What is the picture in the thumbnail from?
key word: gun CONTROL not gun BANISHMENT. Better regulated.
I will say that its nice to see these guys carry on with an actual discussion about the issue as opposed to the typical bias, one-sided argument that you would normally see depending on where you get your information from.
It appears Colin's comment of "No one is saying take away your guns or the second amendment" slipped right by everyone commenting here.
Isaac, what Colin is arguing for (background checks and a cooling off period essentially) in no way infringes on the second amendment.
Again, Hillary and Obama can say they want to take away guns all they want, but what Colin said is 100 percent correct. Even if the issue was somehow raised to ban all guns, there is absolutely no way in hell that it would pass. Would you guys please listen to what he is saying? The second amendment in this country will never be revoked, it would never get passed by congress. There is a reason amendments are so hard to get passed/taken away, there has to be a large majority that are in favor of it, and revoking gun rights will NEVER gain that type of majority.
+Jake Zipper they cant
Lol, the thing is Obama nor Hillary have never said they want to take anyones guns away.
+Joshua Klimek Because they'll never say it they'll just do it. Hillary's gun control proposals if they were to succeed would cripple the 2nd ammendment and the industry overall which is what they want. Look into it.
DJ Klose
I own a .40 Sig and nothing she wants to do will take it away from me. I don't believe assault style weapons should be allowed. We had a ban on those for 10 years and no other gun control was tried. I don't give two shits about the industry when people are dying. Also, they said the same thing with Obama and he controlled the house at one point and could of done it but didn't. Don't be so paranoid.
It makes me so sad that America now looks at everything from gun control to healthcare and says "too hard". No wonder it has lost the world's respect
People saying Colin's view is cancer are proving his point on how nobody wants to compromise. He was very much going down the middle and people still hate that.
Had to drop a like, a very informative and real look at real progress in the debate.
Everything was going well until Tim opened his mouth....😩
+Beastly Gamer GTFO with that shit
*****
LOL, looks like someone has an opinion....
Beastly Gamer Sure do. An opinion that someone who bashes on any of the Kinda Funny members doesn't belong here, but hey apparently not everyone shares my opinion. Tim did well to open his mouth, two points of views on any subject can only bring more to the debate, even if you don't agree with either of them
*****
Took you a whole day to come up with that cheerleader comment. Grow a pair you idiot. Disagreeing and bashing are two different things, even KINDA FUNNY members can say bone headed things some time. Get that politically correct bullshit outta here.
I think anyone willing to partake in these shootings will find a way regardless. A psychopath is a psychopath.. Don't understand why some are giving Colin hate. He's not saying background checks will end ALL shootings, but possibly prevent some.
You are right, if a person is determined enough it will happen.. I live in Norway, where in 2011 we had a terrorist attack by a norwegian neo nazi. He planned it for 7-8years, got the guns legally by joining a club and for hunting.
I think mass shootings are inevitable, but there's a reason it's happening multiple times a year in america, and part of it is definitively the easy access to guns.
MetallicA7X92 very true
"I think anyone willing to partake in these shootings will find a way regardless." This statement is the most ridiculous argument that people make and is simply not fucking true. If you give people easy access to guns they are MUCH much more likely to commit a gun related crime. Yes, people like terrorist will "Always find a way" but people like gang members, drug addicts, etc will almost definitely not. Looking at the number of mass shootings/standard shootings in America shows that the current culture/easy of access are leading to far more shootings than would be taking place if it was harder to obtain a weapon.
Luke Marshall Having easy gun access is obviously an issue, but ppl WILL find a way... Makeshift explosives and weapons are a possibility. My point is that is someone's intent is to kill innocent lives, they'll fucking do it regardless. Mind you, you and I are right in thinking it's too easy for them obtaining weapons. But psychopaths are psychopaths... No arguing that, man..
we need better mental health identification systems. then, our background checks would be 1,000 times more effective. ironic, because it's government who's doing a shit job identifying mentally ill children
Yo Colin, Switzerland here. No guns at all. No shootings either.
Good to know our boy Colin M. was rocking the word "ameliorate" back even before Last Stand became a thing😄
So by Colin's way of reasoning then Islamic terrorism in the U.S. Isn't really "that bad", seeing as only 3000+ Americans have been killed on American soil since, and including 9/11. Funny though, after a few planes get used as weapons, security around airports increases dramatically. So the American government shows it can and will take action. America has been at war since 2001, fighting a problem that as Colin would put it "isn't that bad." and "Could be worse."
I'm sorry but the pro gun argument doesn't follow any logical reasoning. It's simply people clinging onto a perceived freedom. But look at it this way, taking guns away from people may be seen as an infringement on their rights/ freedom but that's a minor thing when you compare it with the consequences of gun crime. The people in Orlando etc didn't just have their rights infringed upon, they and their families had everything taken away in an instant, without warning.
because prohibition totally works 100% right?
+Dr Panda you got jokes
Are you serious? Drug use is as rampant as ever.
I think what you just said is very important. terrorists have killed a little more than 3k Americans in the last 15 years. on the other hand our reaction, the larger war on terror, has claimed between a couple hundred thousand and a million people. crashed our economy and did not make us safer. our constution blatantly banned the way we responded but we did it anyway. unintended consequences. btw the us war on terror created isis which the Orlando shooter pledged loyalty. no illogical post 911 response good chance this guy doesn't loose it this hard.
I know that it seems simple ban guns reduce gun deaths, but so did kill terrorists keep america safe. america isn't Europe or Australia, I not sure prohibition will work here, our crime rates will rise where guns are banned ie Chicago, unlike their European counterparts. also it's not always about should and can we do something it's about doing it the right way. want to change the second ammendment, change it! don't pretend half measures and intentionally misusing our constution al system are good ideas. that has horrible consequences.
Gun laws dont stop terrorists from terrorizing. France had very strict gun laws and they did absolutely nothing to stop the paris attacks. Perceived freedom? Its every law abiding americans right to own a gun. So you say pro gun arguments have no basis in logic and then you base your argument around emotion? GG
IT'S FUCKING LIT
First time listening to this podcast. Really enjoyed some even-keeled back and forth, which is pretty rare. Thanks to all four of you guys.
Here are the facts:
1.) There's no such thing as a "Gun Show Loophole" I've gone to countless gun shows over the years, you have to fill out forms and leave contact information. You don't just leave the gun show with a gun, you buy it, you leave your information, and they ship it to your local store where you fill out more forms.
2.) Buying any gun legally requires background checks. You can't go into a store or a show and buy something and leave with it. You have to front the cash, fill out a ton of state and federal forms, and wait. And even if you pass the background check, the store owner can still refuse to sell you the firearm, if you're acting shady, under refusal of service. I've seen the paper work first hand I when people say "we need more rigorous background checks!" I, for the life of me, can't see how anymore rigorous you'd want it, beyond a fucking rectal exam.
3.) You have to have a special license to own an assault weapon. It is a process that takes years and a lot of money. And most times rather than not, the government denies your application based on intent.
4.) The Shooter in Orlando did not have assault weapons. He had a pistol that was converted to look like a militaristic weapon. The police misreported, based on appearance, rather than actual knowledge of what the weapon was.
5.) To fix the "Terrorist Watch List" is not congress's job. It's the presidents job, based on the fact that the Department of Justice runs the watch list, and the DOJ is under the Executive Branches jurisdiction. Congress can demand that the President make it more transparent and give appeal, but he doesn't have to do it and he won't.
Make not mistake ladies and gentlemen, the things above you, are not opinions, they're are FACTS. You can have whatever opinion you want about them, but this is the situation.
i was totally anti gun when i started this video. no, i just realized how uniformed i am, to both sides. i guess idealisms dont matter with out the realism of facts
well don't believe anyhting you hear without cross-checking
Alot of it is the media and politicians.
For example, they always say things like "machine guns" or "the guns our soldiers use on the battlefield" when neither of those things are true. The AR15 is not what our soldiers use. It has plastic pieces that make it look the same. Mechanically it functions just like any other SEMI-auto (which is what basically every gun that anyone buys anymore is). "Machine guns" are basically illegal already without going through so much gov't read tape, background checks, expensive tax stamps, etc. and no "machine gun" (aka full auto) has been used in any of these shootings anyway. The AR15 wasn't even used in the Orlando shooting, but these politicians and media heads don't know anything about guns so any "scary black rifle" is an AR15 to them.
Facts are, (and Colin might have covered this I'm not through the video yet) but there are about 12k gun homicides per year (most of it is gang violence in places where guns are already banned, like Chicago) but there is anywhere between 500,000 and 3,000,000 uses of guns for self defense each year.
Anyone who has purchased and shot guns before knows that about 90% of what the media says about guns, loopholes, BG checks, is utter bullshit and is made to scare people who haven't educated themselves on the subject.
Pro gun groups are also have a lot of misconceptions when they talk about Chicago.
www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151027/downtown/does-chicago-have-strictest-gun-laws-country-its-complicated
well like i said, i just don't know. ive been reading up on it this morning, but i still havent made up my mind yet. its not like any one cares what i think, but fuck it, ill cap this thing off with the final verdict later tonight
Joshua Klimek The summary of all the anti gun things in that link that have expired/been shot down since 2010 shows how strict it was to start with though.
The point is they have some of the strictest in America. Even if it's "comparable" to NY, that's fine... NY's are also some of he strictest... so of course it's comparable. The point is the crime there is higher and the gun laws didn't help, and in fact hurt, because you create a huge disarmed populace that can't defend itself and criminals know it. Kind of the same logic with gun free zones. Mass shooting happen in gun free zones almost every time, because it's a group of unarmed people who won't be able to put up resistance.
Awesome video guys! Colin, you are always a refreshing bit of logic in this industry that drowns me in close minded liberals.
soo.. what u guys getting on steam summer sale
I agree with Colin. Murderers don't abide by the murder ban...why would they abide by a gun ban? If there had been even one or two armed guards in Orlando...I doubt the killer would have gotten so far. There was an incident last year in Texas where a man claiming to support ISIS attacked an art display and was killed almost immediately by an armed citizen.
In my personal opinion Colin is my favorite not only cause he has impeccable comedic timing but he also preaches the truth in episodes like this
Guns saved my life.
From what?
+Ollie Maltby obviously guns. Lol
+Ollie Maltby he padded his shirt with guns and it stopped a bullet
guns made this country. if revolutionary figures didn't have guns, wed still be under a tyrannical king. people seem to forget that basic, fundamental fact.
Against what? Someone else with guns?
It's so crazy this company just doesn't exist anymore.
Great vid guys! Great topic
i cant believe this is still a conversation. look at australia and it is evidently clear. strick laws and fair laws make a big difference. you shouldn't be able to have automatic weapons so readily available. get them registered, make them harder to get, anything to stop these shootings from happening.
as an outsider every time i see one of these shootings it makes america look stupid when you have the potential to make a change
"Automatic wepons" are illegal in the us beyond a very specialized certification process.
Greg likes Hillary? OMG what is wrong with you people.
***** Hillary makes sense? She's a pathological liar and murderer. Please do some research before you decide to vote for her. And I'm not saying vote for Trump. If I was american I wouldn't vote at all.
Hillary is a fucking maniac. #HillaryForPrison2016
***** Yep but hes better than hillary. A criminal and a liar.
***** Woooooow why so defensive? I lived in American for 10 years and have an american passport.
Only one here into conspiracy theories is you believing what you hear on the news. Hillary is a murderer and liar whether you like it or not. If you choose not to believe that, that's your prerogative.
***** Did you mean racist? Lol. Hasnt shown to be racist but whatever. He acknowledges we need to do something about radical islam. He will start enforcing immigration laws. Trump is a liar and he sucks but so is hillary. We cant trust either to actually commit to any of their promises but trumps attitude shows at least that he actually believe these things.
This makes up for the emojis topic I had to suffer through lol. Seriously, the most heart-felt insight I've heard on this topic yet.... from some "video game dudes." Excellent show guys.
A Colin rant is always entertaining, but i have to say what Tim tried to interject in at the beginning made sense. All gun related deaths should count, suicide or not and the numbers will definitely drop if access to guns are more stringent.
8:40, not cool how Colin dismissed Tim. At all.
Agreed.
Because Tim doesn't ever know what he is talking about. He didn't pay attention in american history class.
I love that Tim is the only one on this topic that brought some sense into the conversation (outside of the political part). Yes, suicides and accidents matter too! Thank you!
I'm curious in what Colin means by "assault rifle" in his discussion. Assault rifles (fully automatic guns) are banned from being purchased by civilians so there's really no way to get one except on the black market. But if he is referring to the AR-15 then he's mistaken because that is not an assault rifle. The AR-15 is no different from your standard Glock handgun. Both are semi-automatic weapons that cannot be fired faster than the other. Also the "AR" does not stand for "assault rifle". It stands for ArmaLite Rifle named after the company that designed it in the 1950's. It's just a standard semi-automatic rifle and there's nothing special about it. The only thing special about it is that it looks cool and tactical and that's about it.
I work in a Congressional Office, and here's my opinion on what you can do:
Do research on gun violence, gun control legislation in other countries, and on guns themselves.
Formulate an opinion, a very specific opinion. Don't just say "I'm pro/anti blah blah" that's not helpful. Say things like "I want to pass laws to close the gun show loophole" or "I want to lift the restrictions Congress put on the CDC to prevent research on gun violence" or whatever you TRULY think will help our country and preserve civil liberties.
Write a quick letter, one-page is more than enough, concerning your stance on the issue. Send it to your 2 Senators, House of Representatives Rep, your state representative, your mayor, your county commissioner, and your city councilor. Emphasis your stance and reassure them that you will be voting.
If you haven't done these simple steps to get involved, and then complain about people not caring or nothing changing, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
If u guys had gun control think of all the great documentaries you'd miss out on like Bowling for Columbine :)
America has gun control Chicago is a perfect example that too much gun control doesn't work.
Yes, Chicago, the only example those against gun control will ever use. It's not like the state next door has no gun controls whatsoever and makes it easy to bring guns into the city.
+CrazedInfadel19 please that's just the first one that comes to mind California, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee is a bit more strict then other Southern States and also has a growing Criminal gun violence problem. it's all over not just Chicago anywhere with strict gun laws has gun violence.
But they have so many deadly animals. Maybe some m16s would be useful :P
+electrokinetic see the problem you mistaken the the cause as the effect. the high crime rates and blood baths every weekend are caused by ridiculously strict gun laws not the other way around.
Here in Australia guns were banned '96 after have one of the biggest mass shootings in history. Since then deaths by guns (including suicides, a great point brought up by Tim) has been almost zero. Sorry Colin, but banning guns does work.
OK, if you live in Australia would you consider clearing up something for me? I've heard, and again I need this clarified so I'm not saying it's fact, but I've heard that while gun crimes are obviously down post-gun ban that other crimes have skyrocketed. That home invasions are up, armed home invasions are up, non gun violence is up, basically that without the ability to defend oneself that every possible crime stat other than the one that is illegal (guns) has gone up. Is that a lie or is there some truth there? Maybe you can give me some hard data being as you have first hand knowledge. Because if all it did was stop "mass shootings" but everything else is a criminals playground with a herd of sheep who cannot defend themselves it seems like a poor trade-off.
+Paul Dozier you can check on Wikipedia for crime in Australia if you don't believe me, but it has been recently reported that homicides in Australia are 1 in 100,000 whilst in the US it's 4 in 100,000. Also, you can check the stats yourself by heading to the Australia Bureau of Statistics online, it's a great resource for this sort of stuff. If you don't have the time, though, I can assure you that Australia has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Sergio Espina The whole point of asking someone who actually lives there was to have a first hand account. Of course I can look stuff up, but as I said I've seen numbers that say opposing things.
Anyway, thanks for the reply.
Well, first hand experiences are usually undermined by people as anecdotes. This is why I referred you to the cold hard facts. I have never experienced or know anyone that has experienced a violent crime here (including home invasions, muggings, etc). But don't take it from me, look at the stats, our crime rate is very low.
There was an increase in certain crimes after the buy-back but it all hit a peak in '01 and its down to levels prior to '96. There are spikes here and there. Which is normal. There are some that stayed the same. But everything else is lower than its ever been and we're safer than we've ever been.Which is the case in most developed nations.
No one is asking to ban guns outright. Common sense legislation. The world is never going to rid itself of illegal arms, but at the very least, we can at least attempt to blockade the mentally deranged from simply walking into a store and buying military grade weapons. What justification can a person have for having semi-automatic weapons, arms that are geared for taking down multiple targets at once? How can you reason they should be bought legally for civilian use? For defense? Against whom exactly? The national guard?
I was getting ready to post something about how Colin was wrong but after watching the whole thing he had some valid points. My bigger issue is with the defeatist attitude the rest of the group had. Greg's point of "why call your representative when nothing will change?" Shows the problem with the youth in the country. We think our voices don't matter so we don't speak up. Then we get pissed when they don't listen when we haven't been talking the whole time. Youth doesn't vote. The turn out for the youth is embarrassing low. I'll use the UK for example, just recently the youth vote didn't show up to vote on their own country leaving the European Union and now they're butt hurt at the result. What I'm saying is if we want to inact change we have to at least try. Colin is right that there is a problem within the country. The leaders won't listen to the people because the only ones they will listen to are the ones who actually make their voices heard.
Sometimes I feel like Colin bullies Tim out of being able to state his opinion. He always shuts Tim down right away and I feel like its kind of rude. I love Colin, but he kind of takes over the show and doesn't let a differing opinion come up.
Agreed. I'd LOVE for them to get a super liberal person on the show who can actually argue with him.
+Gottosaurus Like Aisha Tyler! Colin just needs to not shut Tim down all the time. I see the look on Tims face like he wants to say something.
+Lukas Plank He's not shutting anyone down. If Tim has something to say he can say it at anytime.
+I Tackle Fat Chicks He tried bringing something up but Colin waved it away
+Lukas Plank Then wave it back on idk? Just because Colin says something doesn't mean Tim has to stop. Dudes gotta stand up for himself.
trump exposed all these people that i used to love
i havent played a game in years ...libs detsroyed it
As much as they may have destroyed it why would that stop you from gaming?
Yes... Thank you for wiping your phone with microfiber there in the beginning, Colin. Made my day
Really well rounded argument from all you guys, all of you have different perspectives on it which is really valuable for this sort of discussion.
This was beautiful. A logical discussion about the issue. I love you guys.
Oh. Shit. It's about to get real.
Love this episode and love your opinions Colin!
Guys, the "gun show loophole" is a myth. It refers to private sales between private parties; not licensed gun dealers. However, those who follow the law still have to register the sale. Go to a gun show, and try to buy a gun without a background check and waiting period. You can't.
There's also a lot of misinformation about weapons. An AR-15 for instance, is not a " weapon of war;" but rather a .22 caliber rifle with aesthetic flourishes which make it appear more imposing. In fact, it's so weak a weapon, it can't be used for hunting in many states because because one shot doesn't do enough damage to kill large game, and is thus Inhumane as a result.
The truth about Orlando- The left saw the right being compassionate to the LGBT community as fellow Americans, and that completely flee in the face of their "right hates gays" narrative. It was also a crisis which "couldn't go to waste" with regard to generating hysteria about guns.
It was the perfect storm of politics and emotion.
They might not seem bad, but gun violence is worse in the US than any other Western, developed nation. Britain has had 7 mass shootings since 1896, when it passed its strict gun control laws. Australia hasn't had a mass shootings since it initiated its gun confiscation program.
*shooting
The US also has the world's 3rd highest population, GB has the 22nd largest population(about 257 million less people), and Australia isn't even in the top 50 for highest populations(about 300 million less people). So you have to take that into account, right?
***** But it does matter. A larger population means you have more people with conflicting ideals, a larger drug problem, more mental illness and higher crime rates. How does that not matter?
***** I didn't realize India or China were modern/developed first world countries. Nor did I realize we were talking about these two countries. Also neither country is nearly as culturally/religiously diverse as the US.
China is a Communist dictatorship where the government has an iron-grip on its public and media. If such a shooting happened the government would squash it immediately and then never report it. Not to mention China suffers from a massive problem with Infanticide, something the US does not, different countries different problems.
India is an undeveloped third world country with high poverty rates and a no-existent infrastructure. There isn't enough money for most citizens to afford much of anything, let a lone a gun.
Lets not forget the amount of armed militias in middle-eastern countries committing mass shooting on a daily basis, we'll just forget about that to support your argument I guess.
Sorry to say but you're comparing apple to oranges here. I'm not saying the US doesn't have a problem but your argument is flawed.
***** Same to you.
Tbh my stance on gun control is probably the same as yours or very similar I just wanted to call out what I saw as a flaw in the arguement. I also wouldn't like to argue any further.
So anyway, have a great day. :)
I was totally predisposed to not like this segment. I'm very pleased that the conversation was so damn reasonable. I get so sick of the extremist arguments of both side of gun control debate.
Conversation and discussion, can't have those these days. :\
Part of Colin's argument is how the few day waiting period will get people to rethink whatever damage they're going to cause, but the assumption here is that the gun was purchased with the intentions to immediately inflict harm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of these cases seem to be that the shooters were already in possession of firearms long before they went on a killing spree.
Colin your point about gun deaths due to suicide 'not counting' is a little silly. If you shoot yourself in the head, there is an extremely high chance of death, much higher than other means of suicide. This means that, because of the availability of guns, people are more able to kill themselves and less likely to survive. Stats show that if a suicide attempt fails, that person is unlikely to try again to commit suicide. However, because of the presence of guns in America, these attempts are less likely to fail, thus more people die who could have been saved. This is an important issue.
I usually wait till the full episode to listen to it on my audio podcast service but when I saw this I HAD to watch it
I live in CT, 20 minutes away from Sandy Hook. I pass by the Newtown I-84 exit quite often.
Our democratic governor, Malloy, has been trying to use CT as a staging ground for firearm restrictions. CT is the test subject for the rest of the country.
You want to know what's happening in CT after Sandy Hook? CT is broke. We're losing businesses. After Governor Malloy got reelected, he raised taxes. He recently signed a budget to cut spending on education funding and... you guessed it... Mental Health Services. Here is a quote from an article:
"The budget cuts spending across all branches of government, but some especially hard hit include the Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services, the Department of Children and Families, and the Department of Correction. It also caps state pensions at $125,000 for non-union employees and cuts education funding and other grants to cities and towns."
I've always loved to hear Colin Moriarty's opinions and I think that he is absolutely spot on regarding the 2nd amendment. Let's be reasonable and fix the flaws in our system.
Great video guys :)
I forgave your first misuse of 'Assault Rifle' until I heard 100 million automatic guns..
"Americans have the right to have guns" As someone from the UK this bewilders me.
I appreciate you guys talking about this.
Colin just run for president when you can. I already have a shirt supporting you, I'm ready.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
People having assault rifles doesn't bother Colin. Someone throw some water on his face, he's asleep.
Did any of your guys get an NRA ad in the beginning of the video?
Tim nailed it on the head. I'm Australian and can't understood Americas obsession with guns.
oh my god, I have been putting my shirt on a hanger wrong my entire life
People can debate back and forth about gun control but the fact that a random schmuck can just eliminate 50 people in an evening is something that needs to be dealt with. It's too bad the adults in charge aren't interested in working on a solution to that dilemma.
Reminder that the deadliest mass shooting in human history occured in Norway. Where guns are outlawed.
This was a great discussion, you guys brought your A game to this one.
4 words... "Shall not be infringed." There will be ZERO compromise on my God-given/natural right to keep and bear arms.
Y'all gotta chill on that thumbnail. Colin looks like a legit killer, lmao.
If you can't trust me with a gun, I don't trust you with my vote.
Thank you Colin for tackling this topic
So I learned something new from this. Go through the large stomach hole to hang shirts instead of through the head hole. Thanks, Nick!
I also think part of the reasoning behind the argument of the "no changes to gun laws" is that once there are changes, let's say, if you have a mental illness then you can't buy a gun, whats to stop the government to deem you "mentally unstable" after a short questionnaire that they invented and slowly start restricting the entire population from owning guns and purchasing guns.
Also, I'm pretty high and that might not actually make any sense.
It's a misconception that the founding fathers only had muskets. There were high powered rapidly firing assault weapons back then, one was around about 70 years prior.
this is gonna be a great discussion!
The John Oliver video on gun control is perfect. Why not ban assault rifles I don't understand?
Because people want their guns here and dont want to be told what to do.
+JEFFERY you're told what to do every single day of your life
+kingvmr don't you think it's unnecessary though with assault rifles? Why do people need to own them? Rather than a patriotic American stance of it being a 'right' to own one. Just change the law, they did in Australia and it worked.
I want to know where they got that Superman statue
God I wish Colin would get into politics at some point later in life! He is how a politician should be.
what this always comes down to is money in politics.
Listening to Tim's view on this in 2021. Oof.
We should really talk about how the robot overlords are getting ready to take over.
really seeing that american audience shine through on that like/dislike bar
lol Colin saying the U.S is no different to Australia; the last mass shooting in Aus in 1996 when we outlawed guns as a response to the Port Arthur shooting, what about America? All the damn time.