Full interview: 'Rust' trial prosecutor who quit maintains Baldwin 'horseplay' on set | Cuomo
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Alec Baldwin "Rust" trial special prosecutor Erlinda Johnson, who resigned unexpectedly, says based on the evidence she was provided with, Baldwin's "horseplay" with the gun "could be" considered "reckless." Johnson joins NewsNation's Chris Cuomo exclusively to discuss Baldwin's case dismissal and clarify why she resigned.
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Integrity and morals. Two words you don't hear much anymore. Bravo for Mrs. Johnson.
@techtoyota9725
I’m not American, so I have no bone in your political party fight, but I have to wonder if the Democrat Party can spell simple English words - and then to even go that much further as to pen your comment in ALL ANDY CAPS mode and “emphasis” that misspelled word, in all its glory, with apostrophes even, is comically priceless for me! 👍 Thanks. ☺️
@@techtoyota9725. Try learning the difference between There and their before putting a party down and especially when using all caps! Pathetic!
RE-TRY this case! Re-Open this case
@@techtoyota9725 You mean like the Republican justices on SCOTUS? You automatically shoot yourself in the foot when you pick sides on that issue. Don't be so ignorant, it's a human issue. And you have no idea which side she lands on.
Johnnypipe that’s because of 2 other words that are not used in law enforcement! Transparency and accountability!
“My job is not to get a conviction, my job is to put the evidence in front of the jury.”
I wish more prosecutors actually understood and believed that.
Their job is to seek justice, not ramp up their conviction rate so they can make their way to becoming a judge.
So does This mean they should free Hannah Gutierrez, because this evidence was also not available for her case?
@hannaht2068 No, because her lawyer was aware of this evidence and chose no to use it. Baldwin's lawyers were not aware of this because the prosecution didn't turn it in. They found out from Hannah's lawyers.
Exactly, thank you!!!! Innocent people being chased sown only for votes.
@@hannaht2068 She is going to get an appeal, at least. And its possible that this corruption could get her conviction tossed.
This box that was delivered, did not appear until after that case ended. HOWEVER, there was a 3rd report from Haag that was withheld, and his testimony in that case may not have been consistent with his 3rd report. Which would be very bad for the prosecution.
I believe its all about the win or win at all costs for most prosecutors. Im glad this one had ethics and morals.
Three cheers for Erlinda Johnson for having the courage to do the right thing
@MrCrimenews Sorry, I think Erlinda Johnson is playing media to revive/elevate her reputation. In fairness to her, she did the right thing by quitting. On the other hand Alec Baldwin should never have been charged in the first place. Her position that he was playing around with the gun was reckless, was more than a reach. It was supposed to be a cold gun, live ammo is not supposed to be on a movie set. They have a specific person to ensure safety on the set and that is the Armour. She is correct that no gun should ever be pointed at someone, but on a movie set there is an exception, when the gun is supposed to be cold, it is routine that actors practice their movements before filming. The term is called Blocking, which is done on every movie set. Even if it was horseplay as she suggested, there is a lack of intent, even negligence because he wouldn't have known the gun was able to fire a live round.
As for the gun going off by itself. People forget these were very old guns, when the FBI (Not sure if that is correct) took it apart they damaged it. This would weaken any claim of intent and/or recklessness.
This case was brought to elevate people's positions, that is my theory. There was no reasonable basis to charge him in anyway. If she had stated this from the beginning, I would agree she had courage. Courage is when you have something lose by making taking action. I don't think she had anything to lose by quitting, the case was a dud, from the beginning.
Chris, dude, stop interrupting people right in the middle of a sentence.
Look, there was limited time, he was keeping her on track for what we all needed and wanted to hear. She kept going back to covering her ass and making sure everyone knew that she wasn't a part of the misconduct, which she had already said and had been established. Sometimes as an interviewer you have to guide the interview where it reveals the most. Ideally you don't want to interrupt someone, and had time not been an issue I'm sure he would have let her ramble on repeating what she had said. He's a great interviewer, its part of his job to get the most out of his guest and who he interviews. Its why he gets paid the big bucks!
@@4b5urd. this needs more upvotes
Ya, Chris is just a flat out rude individual.
@@4b5urd.🙄
I did not get the feeling her interrupted at all. Chris is an amazing interviewer. Its not as easy as he makes it seem.
So, Morrisey lied on the stand when asked about why Erlinda quit.
My thoughts exactly!!
Exactly. Morrissey committed perjury and should be prosecuted for it.
What did Morrissey claim was the reason why erlinda quit?
@@nzkiwiangeshe claimed Erlinda thought the dismissal hearing should not be done publicly I think
Yep.
i like her as a prosecutor... you don't have to be a nasty jerk to prosecute a trial
And she has the ethics to walk away from a corrupt office.
She's a special prosecutor, so she's a private defense attorney in Albuquerque, but was chosen as a special prosecutor, like the other members of the prosecutorial team for this case, after the D.A.'s office in Santa Fe was disqualified.
Agreed. Her opening statement had me hooked!
a lot of prosecutors are like her believe it or not, the media just only shows the bad ones
She has passion for her job and victims.Morrisey is in it for the “I did that” title.
Kari Morrissey was overzealous. It seems her ego got the better of her. I feel for Halyna Hutchins' family for not getting the justice they deserved.
Yup.. honestly hearing local talk about this.. a uber driver.. it did seem he would have been convicted because the problem was when he shot her.. a regular person would have been arrested.. guilty or innocent.. spend time in jail..
Alec did NO time in jail.. he cried and then went to New York.. a regular person would be sitting in a datinment center or jail.. and hten released
So ya.. i think this actaully has soiled things for people there.. cause they said this isn’t fair justice.. everyone should get same treatment.. should have sat in jail for even a few hours like any other person.
He didn’t’
@@npcimknot958 the fact that innocent people are put in jail is a problem we don't want to emulate!
I agree, her arrogance was her undoing. You don't get to assume and suppose defense gets evidence, you make sure cuz other wise every pros or LE would use it as an excuse. Even if she was never told about this evidence, she would be liable. But to hear she was actually contacted with Hancock so she for sure was told, def seems like some burying was happening. I wonder if because Seth Kinney was SOOO helpful to them the couldn't have anything pointing to live ammo coming from him, it had to be from Hannah cuz that was what Morrissey claimed, so they didn't want anything showing up to raise any questions or impeach Seth. I don't trust or believe him at all, but ultimately no matter how the ammo got there, Hannah as armorer should have found it and weeded it out or shut everything down.
All the prosecutor saw was herself getting the applause and credit for convicting Baldwin and she was going to hide evidence if that's what it took to get a conviction it's not about what the evidence says it's about her getting credit for convicting a celebrity and the chance of advancing her career at the cost of innocent people and now she should never be a lead prosecutor on any case and should never be anywhere near the evidence of any case as she's a corrupt prosecutor
She’s a Trumper and was out to get Baldwin for the SNL skits. No over zealousness, outright corruption, with full premeditated intent.
I am _not_ an Alec Baldwin fan, but this seems like the correct decision by the judge.
Also, brava to this prosecutor who resigned for ethical and moral reasons!
You have actual principles. Good.
It’s the only decision she could make
@@robinflood7334was watching lawyers react to all this vary insightful learning from that stream
Alec Baldwin’s actions on that day led to the accidental death of his coworker. I have no doubt about it. Whether his actions amounted to negligent manslaughter was a question I hoped a jury would decide.
But the actions of the Special Prosecutor and her investigators (including the crime scene technician Poppel) are an attack on the principles of fairness, of impartial justice. The conduct of the Special Prosecutor was an attack on us all, and the only repair for that attack was a dismissal of the case. It is unfortunate that Baldwin’s guilt or innocence is unresolved, but the judge’s decision was just. It was necessary, or we don’t have a constitutional system of criminal justice.
I hope she runs for office in New Mexico
This lady is what justice is all about. Politicians should take note....
They can't because the have dollar bills for blinders.
@Will5014.....That's assuming 'politicians' even _WANT_ to take note!
Politicians won't take note; it's up to us voters _not_ to elect politicians who won't take note. In this system _We The People_ hold our _politicians_ accountable, not the other way around. It's We The People who haven't been doing our jobs -- partly because the press itself has been dishonorable in giving us a slanted narrative, but also because we're taking these reports and stories at face value and moving on with our lives until Election Day. We've got a _massive_ responsibility to _ourselves_ to police our politicians and we're not living up to it.
Yes, I like her. I heard Alec Baldwin is paying for the armour`s appeal? "Heard"
@@briane173 ........Well, until the legions of un-washed masses 'wake-up' to how critically important that responsibility is......nothing will change, and the bloated, 'unaccountable' politicians will be safe to live another day! This could have been possible years ago - but now, with the advent and growth of social media platforms and the iron grip mainstream media have on 'teaching'/steering the collective hive-mind set......it's not an encouraging picture moving forward.
I GIVE THAT LADY SO MUCH RESPECT IF MORE OF OUR POLITICIANS HAD THAT MUCH INTEGRITY., WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH BETTER COUNTRY
Amen!
oh you fell for it too? lol
Yes honest person
@@Quantum_GirlEare you an attorney? I don’t think so.
Remember there is a woman dead and her husband and kid have and are suffering a heartbreaking loss. Why the heck would you try to be funny……with your comment?!
Amen to that! Most if not all,politicians are liars!!!
She did the right thing. Historic interview. Well done.
A breath of fresh air…integrity and honesty.Thank you for reminding me that it does exist.
This is an admirable act from Prosecutor Erlinda Johnson. Inspiring woman. ❤
I agree she is an amazing special prosecutor! I wish she would’ve been put over this case instead of Keri !!
Inspiring all who respect Law
Agreed.
Lmao, not really. She literally thinks he’s guilty and sabotaged the case then quit and goes on national tv and tells everyone her resume. She’s trying to get a better job.
@@crowdedveins9210 Prosecutor Morrissey, that’s enough. Your case has been dismissed with prejudice. Just reflect on your actions so you can do better.
Coumo should let her finish speaking. Annoying how he kept interrupting her. I want to her what she has to say, not him.
Agree.
I agree too, seems these interview hosts often have VERY BIG egos, literally just love to hear their own voices. Stop interrupting your guests Cuomo!!!!!!🤦🏻
Its Not his Nature to shut up .
He actually asked some great questions! Some of his questions were actually done by him to really explain Why she did what she did he’s trying to help with some of the back lash she will receive!
There's usually a few second delay too which makes it worse.
Erlinda, we really admired you during the trial and even more so when you saw wrongs being done and left than start and participate. I'm only had we didn't get to see you lawyer more. Thanks for sharing your side so we can get the full story! Put sunlight on the corruption and lies wherever it is!
A TRUE Prosecutor who is “married to the truth”! When her colleagues were not as ethical- she said- not on my watch! Her integrity should be a model for all prosecutors!
Culpability for negligent discharge of a gun is not the point - the point is the prosecutor did not disclose exculpatory evidence to defense counsel. Unethical and dishonest. Cheating. This woman is spot-on correct.
The prosecutor often makes the decision of whether or not something is evidence, or is not evidence. The blonde lady is totally within her right to not include it if it has no value.
@@SB-mr2nk That's not her decision to make, it has to be turned over if the defense asks for it and they clearly did ask for all ammunition that could have come from the set.
@@SB-mr2nk WRONG. You couldn’t be MORE wrong.
Investigators and prosecutors are SUPPOSED to be on a “fact finding mission” - NOT a mission to collect only the evidence that they think might implicate someone.
And do you know why? It’s because the person who they suspect of committing a crime may be completely innocent - and excluding potential evidence from a case file could result in the guilty party not being found out.
Prosecutors can choose what evidence they present at trial - but they’re NOT allowed to hide evidence from the defense just because they feel like it. It’s NOT their job to decide what’s credible evidence and what isn’t - that privilege belongs to the jury.
You sound extremely cynical if not downright unprincipled.
Two wrongs don't make a right. This is basically what was going on.
After watching how pathetic and unethical the prosecution was in the Karen Read trial, Erlinda Ocampo Johnson gave me some faith that there are good prosecutors who understands that their role is to pursue justice and not convictions. We need more of her ilk in the justice system. I wish her a great successful law career.
Canton Derangement Syndrome - when you find excuses to bring up Saint Karen's trial at any opportunity
@@richardw3052 I watched both trials back to back so I think seeing similarities in both trials is not weird. You however seem to like calling people names and accusing people of being deranged, you must relate to Trooper Proctor on a personal level.
MY first thought was how they have gone after Donald, i saw a lot of same issues from not allowing a witness to denying evidence. i worry they will continue this weaponization and come after us.
@@hugostiglitz5976 go back to school 🤡🤡
A the end of the day she agreed that Baldwin was guilt of reckless behavior and was guilty from that point. However the basic guilt of how the live rounds ended up on the set still has not been placed on "An" individual. That is the guilty person. I don't personally like Baldwin, he is an arrogant prick.
Read my bio I have a good grasp of weapons and their use. Dr. Fields, MD
I agree. She has high morals, values, and ethics.
Not like Trump prosecutors
Isn’t it sad that we don’t expect ethical & moral behavior? What we now think is extraordinary should be ordinary standard.
If only all prosecutors were this ethical! With what we have seen lately, in courts, this was refreshing.
My heart felt sympathy for Helena’s family.
Morrissey’s reputation is beyond tarnished.
Word is she’s known for her integrity. Makes sense for her to jump ship when she’s been blinded sided by that witch
THIS!
Word is = said no one.
Now the world knows about her integrity.
😊
She isn’t going to let her integrity be compromised by anyone.
Can he stop interrupting her and just let her speak!!!😅
He’s got a BIG ego & loves hearing himself talk. 🙄
@@kima260 Look, there was limited time, he was keeping her on track for what we all needed and wanted to hear. She kept going back to covering her ass and making sure everyone knew that she wasn't a part of the misconduct, which she had already said and had been established. Sometimes as an interviewer you have to guide the interview where it reveals the most. Ideally you don't want to interrupt someone, and had time not been an issue I'm sure he would have let her ramble on repeating what she had said. He's a great interviewer, its part of his job to get the most out of his guest and who he interviews. Its why he gets paid the big bucks!
@@4b5urd.Agree!
He is so obnoxious. I noticed he was trying hard to get Ms. Johnson to badmouth Morrisey for ratings.
Now, you do know that he's a lawyer, and he's getting her to confess the conspiracy on the state's part. Shut up and pay attention. Chris is a brilliant lawyer.
❤She is a refreshing change in the criminal justice system.
I'm impressed, my job is not to get a conviction but to present all evidence to a jury!!!
So refreshing to hear someone be accountable, have morals and ethics and live by them.
Yes, I have the utmost faith in people who quit, because you can always count on them.
It is refreshing...
Prosecutors all across America seek convictions and not actual justice!
Kari really made me mad when she exposed her personal politics when referring to Baldwin.
She didn't say those things to praise Baldwin, she said it so that the powers that be knows her political stance if she's ever let go.
She screwed up a case where a man should pay for this negligence!!
Morals? She literally said she thought Alex Baldwin was guilty yet sabotaged the case and quit instead of just asking the judge to dismiss that evidence and move on with the trial. Then she goes on national tv and gives out her resume, let’s everyone know she was a defense attorney. You know who makes a lot of money ? Defense attorneys for rich ass holes like Alex Baldwin.
An attorney with integrity…how refreshing….
I hope she. Isn’t given any grief by the legal society or the public.
You might like listening to Peter Tragos the Lawyer You Know. His channel has rapidly grown to 400 K, because he is an excellent and engaging attorney. He is a man of faith and principle who is committed to informing his community about the legal process with an eye to preparing people to be effective jurors.
Oh no the opposite it seems. The other prosecutor was crazy
@@Grammichal- being a person of faith is not necessary to have morals, ethics, and integrity. Too many people claiming to be of faith lack all three. Sad, but true.
No such thing as
@@kd8199 Hear, hear.
Chris, asking the prosecutor if she was an Alec Baldwin fan is immaterial. That doesn’t matter. A woman was killed on the job bc of reckless behavior.
Perfectly stated betty. 👏
Spiro did it to insinuate DA was behaving wrecklessly because of personal reasons. It's what defense attorneys do.
I think he asked that question to actually give her the opportunity to make herself look good. He knew what her answer was going to be and that it was her chance to tell the people about her integrity.
It is great to see this lawyer has integrity with strong moral and ethical principles.😃
She was DOPE TO COME ON HERE! I tip my hat to this kickass DA! I give her maddddd respect! She is a real one!
What are you doing on here??!!😂
With the stuff going on in the USA at the moment, it is fanatstic to see someone with 100% conviction for thier moral and proffessional integrity.
Weird how that integrity ONLY rears it’s head when an elite is at risk of any type of punishment. So weird!
@@The_10th_ManI agree, she left because it was becoming public. For her to now claim that because evidence wasn’t turned over she had to quit. She knew about this evidence, as it was in the records the prosecution had.
@@dudemorris7769she said she didn’t know about the evidence till the morning. She also came on the case late.
@@The_10th_Man There is a reason why you are the 10th man. You do not believe in yourself, due to being Jealous of others. When I hear someone talking about these so called elites, I wonder what mindset they have. I am not wealthy. I could have taken the risks jus like the so called Elites you talk of. I did not. My fault for not taking those risks and backing myself. Wake up!!!
The case put forward was part of a trajic accident, and the reason it got thrown out was due to pathetic process of evidence.
Not weird at all. The Law is there to ensure the Law is followed. Simple!!!!!!!!!
@@dudemorris7769 She said she came into this case late and did not know about this evidence till that morning, .Did you not here her just say that. Kari and that other detective said they never saw it till the morning...but yet both were in the room and decided that it have no weigh on this trial..
So obviously Morrissey lied AGAIN.
We need more Prosecutors like her. BRAVO!
Good to hear someone with integrity and who is willing to be straightforward.
withdrew, but still a public defender?
@@wytube2009correct
@wytube2009 She IS a *private* attorney with her own practice, NOT a public defender
She was only here as a *special prosecutor* same as Kari.
I have GREAT GREAT admiration fir Erlinda! She is one of the highest people on my list of people that I RESPECT!
@@notme2dayNIT the same as Kari by Any stretch of the imagination !
she's a quality Lady , wish more people had her ethics
Chris’ face when she says “I have moral obligations”…..LOLOLOL what a concept, huh Chris 😂😂
If Alex Baldwin didn't have the resources to acquire the level of legal defense he had this case would never have been thrown out. Most poor defendants would have pleaded out never knowing all the exculpatory evidence available to them.
If it wasn't "Alex Baldwin" who fired that gun, this case would never have been brought this far in the first place, or brought back at all after they initially dismissed the charges.
I hope Erlinda is a Judge someday!
I agree. She would certainly make an awesome Judge. And, ironically enough, she and the Judge looked like sisters. If only someone like Lally had the integrity this woman has.
Me too❤
@@greenbeagle13
Her opening was simple and concise! She didn't add any fluff and that's a rarity with high profile cases and I commend her for it!
@@wendyc1902 - I really liked her. And her interview explaining why she withdrew from this case - well, we need more prosecutors like this woman. I admit, I was sad and disappointed in Morrisey - I thought she was brilliant, but her not dismissing this case - shame.
@@greenbeagle13I said the same thing
She needs to talk to Lally about ethics and morals! Thank you for standing your ground!!!!
No kidding! and to sunt bev!
Alan Jackson violated the rules of professional conduct and must be held accountable
@@bethmccrae2714 what did he do...?
@@bethmccrae2714
Huh?!? What a jokester 🙄
Who is that?
I guess someone is running for prosector or AG 😂
As an American, this Woman Prosecutor is an incredible, Stand Up Person. Thank You to Ms. Erlinad Johnson for being the ethical person you are. It's not a matter of whether he or she is guilty or not, it should be based on true honesty and complete transparency. Becaucus of Ms. Johnson, true honor has been restored into the judicial system we all live with. It was a Very Brave and Righteous move. Good Luck to her and Congratulations. She did very well indeed. - Cheers from NYC♥
I have an immense amount of respect for Erlinda for her decision, she stood by her morals and did the right thing! It’s a shame that the case had been thrown out due to the horrible decision making from Morrissey.
She is a political hack. She should have resigned after the Judge's ruling, not before
Morrissey I think made it an easy decision for Johnson to withdraw. Johnson has her own career and reputation to consider, and she wasn't going to have that put into question on account of the malfeasance of her co-prosecutor without her knowledge. From the beginning there was something about Erlinda Johnson I liked; couldn't put my finger on it but I found out when she bailed on the case. This is the kind of lawyer you _want_ in the justice system, regardless of which side she's representing; you know you're getting a straight shooter. That's also one reason why you'll never find her in politics.
Aaaaannd yes, I'll go ahead and say it: It doesn't hurt that she's smokin' hot. An ethical and morally upright lawyer who is easy on the eyes.
(Understand that I'm approx. 15 years older than Johnson is, so from my perspective she'll be quite attractive; but I'm also drawn to supremely intelligent women, looks are just an added bonus).
Does this mean he walks? Can a new case be opened against him, he did kill a lady not so?
@@annetteelliott1494no new case can be opened.
Respect for this lady. She has ethics!
We know what Cuomo oozes...
This attorney restores my faith in the legal World that there are some attorneys with ethics👩⚖️
What a wonderful woman. She nailed it when she said she had a moral obligation. This is something that appears to be lacking in many who have such important roles in our institutions.
I'll hold up Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, and Michael Colangelo as shining examples, and now Morrissey. This is also why I find it unseemly that District Attorneys and judges are _elected_ positions in most states and not appointments. Too many in those positions are there on the promise to "get a conviction," when that isn't their job, it's a _jury's._ James went as far as to run for AG on the promise to "get Donald Trump." That doesn't even pass the laugh test, and every time a prosecutor takes a similar political stance it sullies the reputation of the justice system that much more -- and it's the one institution we're supposed to have the most faith in.
but she had legal obligation not to hide evidence, lets shee how she answers that one when the bar questions her.
@@briane173 I notice that you didn’t mention Judge Cannon, Clarence Thomas, Alito i can continue.
I was talking about Johnson maintaining her integrity so she can do her job.
You somehow managed to bring in your political bias, where those who are supposed to uphold justice are instead using political bias to put up barriers to obtaining justice.
I don’t care about American politics, I live in the UK. But I do care about people receiving justice through a fair and equal judicial system wherever they are in the world.
@@SussexSandra Well in the case of the two Supreme Court justices we’re talking apples and oranges. Word of difference between trial judges and Constitutional judges. And the criticisms of Democrats about Alito and Thomas ring hollow when POLITICIANS are making judgements about a justice’s integrity. It’s an attempt by one party to intimidate justices into either making rulings they agree with, or forcing recusals in order to even the score with the liberal justices on the court - who, BTW, one can argue write decisions and dissents that are every bit as “ideological” as a conservative justice. At the end of the day SCOTUS and the judicial branch in general is an independent branch of govt that is supposed to be insulated from the other two branches trying to weaken it further than it already is. If there’s an ethics issue it’s theirs to deal with; neither Congress nor the Executive should be allowed to regulate the Court’s structure or behavior beyond what the Constitution already allows for.
Great Interview guys. Really clears up the "oh she resigned because she didnt agree for the motion to be public" BS 💩
Remember professional people have stats. If she thought a mistrial and if she resigned from the case before that was ruled by judge it won't be on her court case record. Judges HATE mistrials. Wasted entire courts and juries time, expensive, and makes a mockery of state justice system as it undermines public's trust in the courts. What other evidence was hidden or not given to defense. Most defendants are intimidated to take plea deal. It avoids expensive jury trials. They offered Alec Baldwin a plea deal, he refused.
CHEERS 🥂🍾 to you Erlinda! Your a TRUE PRO 👏👏👏👏👏
Chris, people keep missing the reason this is so important. This actually provides an answer of how the killing occurred in the first place.The key is regarding the silver vs brass primers.
Remember, Seth-Kenny provided the training, guns AND ammo to Hanna. Seth-Kenny outsourced the ammo reloads (if you are not a gun guy, or country girl, you will think the only way you get a bullet is to buy one off the shelf, in a prepackaged box), this is not so.
People who shoot a lot make their own bullets which are called reloads. RELOADS significantly reduce ammo costs as you reuse the most expensive part of the bullet..aka jacket. You then add either dummy content or LIVE content, place a primer around it and you get a new bullet.
The bullets on the Rust set were reloads, facts already established. The reloads were outsourced from Joe (there is his name in evidence). Joe was known to use both BRASS OR SILVER primers and was not consistent in which he used for dummy and which he used for LIVE rounds.IF Hanna was taught that all silver primers were dummies, she would only be half right, half of the time.
Remember this new evidence is key because it was said to be from the same BATCH of reloads sent to the Rust site. DOES NOT MATTER IF IT EVER ENTERED THE RUST SITE. This would prove the inconsistency in primer usage and perhaps point to the true failure in the safety process. Hanna could never have been able to tell simply by looking at the bullet to determine if it was a dummy or not since no consistency in the primers existed. She would have to pick it up and shake it.
IF Hanna was taught that silver primers, for example, were always dummy rounds but that she should shake them as an “extra” assurance (whatever that means), then you can see that the safety failure on the Rust Site occurred way before filming and way up in the supply sourcing chain. It at least explains how someone died.
Thank you for this information!!!!
As relevant as which vodka bottle the bartender poured you before the dui which killed a family. Baldwin behaved with criminal recklessness, and the state misconduct violated their duty of candor. Both are true.
Hanna is liable though. She was the expert and she didn't do her job. It is possible other people are liable as well. I originally thought this was Baldwin's lawyers getting him off on a technicality but the fact that the prosecutors went to great lengths to hide it and this lawyer resigned are starting to change my mind.
Good explanation.
@@peterbruno657 You are not wrong, he is getting off on a technicality. And it is the correct thing to do here. But Baldwin did recklessly handle the firearm and should have been convicted.
All firearms are always loaded. Whoever has the firearm is responsible for its handling. This is not a hypothetical, these rules are written in stone because "empty" firearms discharge injure and kill with alarming regularity. This rule is part of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) training for actors, and mandated on every set.
My interest in this case and what happened yesterday in court is strong enough for me to actually watch Chris Cuomo! 😮
He is not a very polished interviewer. Asks his guest a question, then cuts her off in mid-sentence. I struggled through this just because I wanted to hear what she had to say - at least the parts he didn't walk all over.
@@greenbeagle13some things she said was wrong it's the armorer job not the actors job to keep guns safe... expert armorer said baldwin didn't do anything wrong lawfully....
he has changed a lot since his days when he would go after anyone who disagreed. BETTER WITH AGE OR MOVING MORE TO THE CENTER?
That's why I'm here... I detest cuomo
@michaelburrows9913 neither, they stopped paying him. He'll adopt the views of whoever has the money
I can't believe the state wasted everyone's time and tax dollars on this case. Good on the judge for dismissing this!
What about the victim’s parents??????? Shame on this judge for dismissing the case…….the was murdered, and her murder walked away scott free 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@barbarabannasch3458 the prosecution effed up. AB’s rights shouldn’t be violated just because you think he’s guilty
She’s amazing! She has way more credibility than Morrissey and she can hold her high and sleep well. Erlinda was well respected at the start and still is. Thank you for doing the right thing!! Spike Lee would be proud 🎉
❤ I admire her honesty & ethics! I know it took strength & courage to do the right thing and we are proud of her!
Why do you not have people like this in the Highest Court?
Good question
Could not agree more, we need people like her in all of our justice system and government.
This lady should be a judge or the DA for a big city. Corruption with cops and courts is running wild in the US.
In reality there has to be missing evidence, for or against the person charged, in every case.
This doesn't change the fact that that he WAS reckless in handling a "real" weapon. The result was a woman died.
Going after who made the live rounds appear on the set and who placed them into the gun is vital. Also responsible are the ones who were charged with inspecting the gun before it was used.
Still, I think the heaviest burden has to on the one who pointed this gun at people and pulled the trigger.
Americans do not take gun safety serious enough. Not in our laws for owning and possession of them
Nor in our Courts involving gun violence.
This lawyer is amazing!!! I give her so much respect. Being from NM. This has been crazy for our state. Much respect!!!
How come people are shocked at her for doing the right and obvious thing?
Not sure I am "shocked". But I respect her for doing the admirable thing.
She did the right thing to save her career.
Did you watch the Karen Read case? The American judicial system is corrupt. And, bad Judges like Auntie Bev allow it! I’m happy Erlinda and the Judge did the right thing. And, yes, I am shocked, it should be the norm though!
@@Jimmy_Moon I think it’s because there are so many that have only had the opportunity to see the corruption that seems to be prevalent these days-her actions were a stark contrast!! I for one want to see more of this-any day.❤️
They don’t understand the law
So, the question wasn't really answered about what is the "standard" for allowing evidence in? So does this mean that on ANY case for ANY crime, ANY person can just drop off something to the police and say "this" was used in said crime and prosecutors HAVE to include it in their case? Even if that "evidence" had gone through FBI testing and proved not to be part of the evidence or related to the crime? Also, this "evidence" was seen but NOT used in Guiterrez-Reed's case (which for one thing, shows that all these people DID KNOW about this evidence before yesterday??) so why would they use it in Baldwin's case?
Baldwin's team did not know about it though, it is probably through their connection to the Guiterrez case that they eventually found out, but this was after the prosecution decided to file it under a different case number and never turned it in. That is gross misconduct, as a prosecutor you don't get to decide what is evidence and what the defence sees and doesn't see. Everything is to be logged. Correctly. And turned in. Their failure to do so caused the entire case to be dismissed with prejudice. They fucked up.
Exactly!
These" Brady violations" are often these nitpicky nonsense nothing burgers.
There is no standard, if it is gathered in the course of an investigation, it gets turned over, no matter what it is.
They have to provide anything that can potentially be used to mount a defense, not irrelevant things. But there is a presumption towards giving the defense anything they ask for.
This clearly sits in that category that might have changed the trial and was wilfully concealed. The only way a case gets tossed is if that evidence could have effected the outcome.
@@REDinitial, from the testimony, the evidence was offered directly to the Gutierrez team and they declined because it wasn't what they needed. After that, it was brought to the police station and handed over.
To address a point by the OP, the FBI did not test it and declare it was irrelevant. The prosecutor made that decision unilaterally based on the fact that it had never left the state of Arizona. The issue wasn't where it came from but the claim it was from the same batch as found on set and that it was provided to the guy who allegedly provided the live rounds on set. This was no trivial matter. It could have been used by the defence to prove deliberate sabotage, or at least put reasonable doubt in the mind of the jurors.
Chris needs to STOP interrupting his guests - a good interviewer allows the guest to finish their response.
I am absolutely incensed. how do you suppress evidence from the defense? You are supposed to be seeking justice! That’s why I chose law. Because if somebody is going to be guilty it’s going to be because of jury found them guilty! What an absolute joke. Thank you to this prosecutor! Because she absolutely is the only person on that team with integrity.
You drive a car 🚗, if a child, mother, father, etc. runs into your car 🚘 and then dies, are you a murderer because a person died under your car? You drove a car like most people, but a person died under the tires of YOUR car so you should go to jail!? The dead person ran into your car, you didn't run over this person intentionally or negligently, who's GUILTY, you?!🤔
What is, and what isn't, evidence?
Is what I had for breakfast evidence? Is what Alexander Baldwin had for lunch on that fatal day evidence? Why do these dummy rounds and live rounds qualify as evidence?
Unfortunately this happens all too often. It happens all the time. With any regular state provided defense attorney, this might not have come out. I'm thankful this was Baldwin because it shows a lot that we don't normally see. Imagine if it were a regular person. This isn't how justice is supposed to work.
@JAPrice Except these "hollyweird" types, (same as dems) don't hate gun rights. They protest that war weapons have no place in civilian hands. They want common sense gun laws vs zero gun laws.
Seems purposeful....money talks, Baldwin walks....slick move to get him off?
Right off the back of the Karen Read case, this has been a bad few weeks for the American justice system. Prosecutors in both cases seemingly manipulating evidence to get the result they want rather than following the facts. Both of them totally unapologetic and obstinate after being found out (Morrisey, in this case, not this lady, obviously).
Yeah but in the Karen Read case both prosecution and defence are wrong and destroyed the community by their accusations.
Punchline-who killed John O'Keefe? John O'Keefe killed John O'Keefe. Not intentionally but. . .
Hopefully this info and exactly what happened will be revealed soon
try watching the ysl trial, insane
You've never heard of the Trump cases?
I agree. Being a retired police officer I usually find myself on the States side, however this and the Karen Read trial which I watched from the beginning have pretty much soured my core beliefs. What has happened to law enforcement since I pulled the pin in 1993 is a sad state of affairs. It goes to show you what is left after all the professionals in Law Enforcement left following the attack on cops over the past 20 years. We need to get back to the basics in Law Enforcement. I always told my officers to follow the Golden Rule when dealing with the public, and were I still on the job today I would still be advocating for professionalism and fair treatment for all we deal with.
If tht Morrissey lady isnt unemployed within the nxt couple months tops then at tht point we ALL need to worry smh....
Maybe, evidence was purposely given late for a mistrial!
I actually had that idea while watching the trial. In a great murder novel, this would be a terrific ending. To think ahead, withhold evidence, make sure it gets leaked to the defense at the right moment, and then boom, Mistrial! The prosecutor walks away with millions in her foreign bank account, arranged and paid by the defendents before trial, and everybody is happy. Not true. But I had the thought.
Thanks for this. I wondered why she left.
She’s a good person, period!
Who?
@@jomon723 The special prosecutor, Erlinda Ocampo Johnson
@@barbiekat6352 exactly
Excellent interview 👏
Also, I have so much respect for this prosecutor. She’s very ethical and brave ‼️
Mrs. Ocampo Johnson is the epitome of justice, professionalism and doing the right thing! God bless and protect you always for who you are and having so much of what is lacking in the justice system and humanity in our country!
Class act.
I love this woman!! What a fabulous human
If only Lally can watch this interview. What a stark contrast between the CW, Lally, and this amazing woman.
He will never get another job in HOllywood for the horseplay on the set. Accidents happen but horseplay is not allowed
Actually he is more desirable as an actor and anti Trump comedian then ever.
A potential criminal shouldn't be rewarded when the prosecution screws up like this.
The lawyers should be removed and face harsh disciplinary action.
A new trial should be ordered to ensure that justice is carried out fairly.
All they needed to do was disclose the evidence and moved forward with their case that alec acted recklessly! It’s amazing how morriseys ego kept her from doing that.
It slightly worse than that - they actually excluded the evidence by filing it in a seperate file.
@@chrisjohnson4165 I got the impression based on the testimony of crime tech, Marissa Popple, that she was advised to file the ammo brought to the station under a different case number. However if you watch the police bodycam video of the guy who brought the ammo to Popple, nowhere during that encounter did she question how to enter the ammo into evidence. It's possible Popple asked later on but she did not provide the name of the person she claimed told her to use a different case number. IMHO, Popple is one the reasons the case was botched (as a prosecutor would not advise the technician how to enter evidence). Popple should be held to account for her flagrant mistakes and potentially, her lies under oath; she appeared incompetent, arrogant, unreliable, untruthful and self-protective (because of her selective amnesia).
This evidence proved he didn't. It's not an actors job, it's the armorists job.
@@tracyhaverstick5672but why even point gun at anyone, especially her!! She isn’t in the movie
@@LenoreGuarino It was pointed at her. Two people were hit. It was not supposed to have a live round. Alec and the other actors all had rehearsed and were filmed over and over and over. Every other time the guns were cold. This was a horrific accident due to the armorist bringing live rounds on the set. My husband was the armorist on the set of "A Dry Patch". A western vignette our son did for his senior film a couple years ago. He never let the guns out of his sight. Scenes are filmed over and over to get the best ones. The director and cinema photographer are there right infront of the actor(s) watching both infront of them and a small screen. I know it's hard for people that aren't in this business to understand. I know because I've been on several sets. This is the western vignette I'm talking about. Just watch it. It's only 28 minutes from start to finish.
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Chris, why do you constantly interrupt the guest when she’s making her points? Why have guests if you don’t let them talk? I tuned in to listen to her, not you.
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The smoking gun was the “pitting” of that evidence into a separate case.
I still ask: who would bring live ammo to a movie set? Why?
Someone knows how those bullets got in there. They put them in there.
just like six foot distancing, they just appeared
NO JUSTICE FOR the Murder victim HELENA. NONE. There was NO Constitutional violation at all. Alec Baldwins rights were not violated whatsoever. The rounds found in AZ had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE WHATSOEVER. THIS IS A TOTAL SCAM TRIAL.
seth kenny
Gutierrez obtained them from "somewhere". Not from Seth Kenney, apparently, unless you can prove otherwise.
@@maciektrybuszewski9964I can prove it rather easily. But will let you prove it to yourself. Watch the body cam footage of the NM police with Sarah Zachery and Seth Kenny the day of the shooting. It is an eye opener. Also ask yourself why did Seth Kenny instruct Sarah Zachery to destroy all the ammo right after the shooting and she did. Prosecution knew this.
I admire this lady! 💯 integrity. If only all lawmakers were this conscientious! 👏🏾👏🏾✨️
You will have to explain in detail what ethical responsibility is to the Cuomos. It's a foreign concept to them.
The prosecution screwed up royally. Actions have consequences.
Erlinda needs to be the top prosecutor - she has integrity, unlike Morrisey
Morrisey is not even a prosecutor. She’s a defensive attorney. She was just hired in for this job by the DA.
@@phototristan she was sitting at the prosecutor table, she was a prosecutor for this horribly botched case. Take a seat.
@@lour9348 Morrisey was chosen to be a special prosecutor for this case. Other than that, she’s currently a defense attorney.
The whole team are defense lawyers in private practice.
@@cynthia_m Yeah sure usually she’s a defense attorney. But she wasn’t in THIS case, which is what everyone is talking about. She was retained and paid to be a special prosecutor here, which is what everyone is talking about.
If you get pulled over for speeding, and your excuse is “officer, in every other instance when I have been driving a car, I’m not a speeder.” That doesn’t matter one bit… you were speeding right here, right now.
Her integrity is as clear as day. Shame to the prosecution for withholding evidence to get a conviction rather than allowing for the law and equity take its course.
The sad thing is that victim’s family will not get the closure they very much needed. May her soul rest in peace.
Well, Baldwin and his production company are still facing a ton of civil litigation, even though Baldwin settled with the families. But the _criminal_ element of this incident is done and overwith, with Hannah Gutierrez-Reed the only one doing time for it.
@@briane173and I would hope her lawyer is filing the proper paperwork to have a retrial. I believe she deserves her conviction, but not at the expense of the law and defendant’s rights being thrown around. Her case needs to be looked at with a fine tooth comb now knowing what the prosecution was doing behind the scenes
@@briane173 Not getting a criminal conviction hurts badly the civil case. With the bad act by the prosecution, this make the conviction of Hannah Gutierrez-Reed questionable.
@@ChrisL-oz4lpNot entirely. A civil suit has lower expectations. All criminal cases have "beyond a reasonable doubt" whereas a civil case does not.
@@SarignCleric Yes, but the prosecution withheld evidence that the providers of the stunt guns provided "live ammo" instead of stunt ammo.
this lawyer should be on the supreme court. her honesty ( whether she be republican or democrat ) is beyond reproach. she would put gorsutch, kavanaugh, thomas and alito to shame.
A MODEL for All Prosecutors who are by law “married to the truth”! This person has true integrity and ethics- BRAVO
Even on a movie set you always assume the gun is loaded. First lesson in fire arm training.
Fwiw, I've acted in film/TV for decades and in roles in which my character was required to use a gun: I'm not implying expertise, only experience on sets. In every project, whether feature or low budget, our armorer's protocols were always concise, rigorous and, frankly, reassuring. A live round on set is unheard of.
Imo, Baldwin's liability should be civil and huge. HGR was a sloppy hire and she was criminal in her neglect of duty.
(The safety of the entire
production was below standard:
I feel bad for those who tried to correct things and weren't heeded.)
It's also chilling to know a child was one of the leads and in the presence of these weapons.
Halyna's death broke a lot of hearts - everyone who knew her. In her memory, let's hope the rush to batten down hatches is more than that and
becomes fixed protocol.
Rest in peace, Halyna.
With your experience, what would AB’s producer role play in this?
Brandon Lee was technically shot when a dummy lodged in the real gun was then projected by a blank that was loaded and fired. Safety measures are meant to avert freak occurrences.
He was. He did settle with her family mere months after it occurred. Her husband was made an EP on the film and they finished filming after that. Nobody wins here. It was a terrible tragedy.
Well blanks are live rounds. So you lost me me completely. Baldwin has already settled the civil case with the family.
Was this an aberration or does Cuomo usually interrupt his guest 5 times a segment?
He was always one of the worst anchors on CNN and that's a fucking low bar to be below. He's a muppet
He’s a horrible interviewer and he doesn’t get it.
Yeah. He keeps interrupting. It's annoying.
Cuomo is a clown. He got outraged the other day because the editorial section of the New York Times dared emitting an opinion about Biden's age lmao.
He’s not just an interviewer, he’s a journalist. He has an obligation to be more than a megaphone for the interviewee. It is his job to ask for clarification when he feels it is needed.
She is the kind of prosecutor the country needs more of. Absolutely brilliant interview. Erlinda is a wonderful woman and I’m glad we were able to hear from her
Yes, nobody wants a prosecutorial team that has an axe to grind. This woman’s co-council had it out for Baldwin.
Nah. That is too broad a statement.
CST Poppell sure did
@@ObePawnKenobi well she is a broad
Grandstanding. She did it for glory.
and rightly so.
Watching this live was wild!!
It's definitely a learning experience.
Indeed!
I watched it live on EDB channel... wild is an understatement.
This is also WHY ALL TRIALS should be live streamed.
I was glued to it …. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing and seeing. My confidence has been renewed that Erlinda has set the standard for integrity.
Oh my gosh head lady lied 🙄 oh this is not good 😐 glad she is honest 😊great job on her 👏
Great reporting, Chris!!
The prosecution team should be punished for withholding evidence.
You have to wonder why the original DA wanted someone else to prosecute? Did they know that there was an evidentiary screw-up? I think they did and that's why the case took so long to come to court.
Baldwin's defense took advantage of the forensic mistakes and convinced the Judge that the evidence was exculpatory when it was not. I think someone will criticize the Judge for making this a Brady violation when it was not. The prosecution did not disclose all the evidence and they should be punished for this, but what is more important is that the Judge did not determine that the evidence was NOT exculpatory - it did not prove that Baldwin did not check the real gun, or that he pointed it at Halyna, or that he pulled the trigger.
The evidence that was not handed to the defense had NO RELEVANCE to Baldwin's guilt.
Corruption. Everywhere.
You're always going to have that. These institutions are run by human beings. People with flaws and agendas. People like Morrissey. There is no perfect political system -- as long as it's run by people who won't honor their oath of office. In our system it's ultimately up to _voters_ to hold those people accountable, to the extent that they are elected positions; but for that to work we need to check our own flaws and agendas at the door -- because our politicians ultimately come from the community -- the same community you and I belong to. We The People need to take the franchise more seriously.
Wow a lawyer with integrity,, she has no chance to be a politician but she’ll go far
We need more prosecutors like her. Mr Adam Lally, are you watching? Take lessons from this prosecutor.
True that!❤
Adam Lally is perfectly ethical. Alan Jackson violated ethics rules repeatedly and he may be held accountable soon
Agreed 100%
I think she'll happily go back to her defense work now.
The prosecution and judge in the Young Thug trial could learn a lot about integrity from this lady!
Anything to do with Baldwin is sickening
Morrissey should be DISBARRED and have her law license taken away.
A stretch in the pokey too.
I think there’ll be some disciplinary action…at least there should be.
I don’t think disbarred but, she should be let go of the Prosecution team. They have a huge black eye now from this. This is a TERRIBLE look for the Prosecution’s Office.
@PamelaH_HappyVibes she actually is a defense attorney and was brought on to this case as a special prosecutor. She was oathed in as a prosector, so it makes this look even worse!
Unlike Morrissey, its nice to see a prosecutor with ethics.
My question is, did she know about the second case number? She is a prosecutor🤔. If she read the trial records for Hannah. The statement about the second case number is in the transcript
Why did they not talk more about the live rounds in Alec's ammo belt...🤔
Mr. Cuomo, Your journalism is on par but let her speak, don't interrupt.
Journalism?
He's a glorified bingo caller. 🤡
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And protector of his disgraced older brother's misdeeds..by his order to put in covid active hospital patients nursing homes ,killing residents and staff ,some
20 thousand of them...