Matt Man yeah, as Kevin Smith says the world of comic book characters is forever in "Act II" phase where there is rarely any final conclusion to character's archs. I think that's what made Logan stand out because they kinda did thier own thing. So, I'm all on board for the one off ideas. It would awesome to see like a Red son movie.
I could watch joker eat the entire population of china,it doesn't even have to be entertaining,he could just be in his throne chowing down for 2 hours.
I always wanted to play Harley Quinn, but as im a bit to old and not as in shape, Margot Robbie was fucking awesome as her. In 2000 I hand sewed my own vinyl Harley costume, I also got a huge tat of her on my left forearm. It was so good i wore it 2 years in a row. I was 21 the second time, I was one month shy the first year. I wore it to a Mardi Gras event at my fav goth club, and they decided Halloween was going to be Arkham Asylum themed coz my costume inspired it. So naturally I had to show up Halloween there. Not ONE other Batman character was present. I was heartbroken not to find a Joker to play with that night, but I did win 2nd place in contest. Tron suit guy won first but he traded me prizes. Which was that wonderful huge poster print painting of Harley & Mistah J dancing together. I had NEVER seen anyone dressed as Harley back then for anything. Joker's once in awhile. Now, Ever since Nolan/Ledger Dark Knight you see multiple J's every Halloween. Harley tons since Suicide Squad, I believe I read that was the most popular costume the year the film debut. I agree with Kevin on a lot of this. As well as share his love and knowledge that Harley would steal the show once live action Harley debut finally happened. I had my copy reserved at my local comic shop when she was finally added into the comic world with her own comic series! I try to be open minded as far as film & tv go with making live action versions of comics & books I love. I see it as me getting to enjoy characters/story near and dear to me and that director/artists personal interpretation of it. Which may differ from source material but I get to enjoy getting to have more entertainment of is, as though I get another universe & dimension of something I fucking love good or bad. Bring it on people, I know it won't be cannon Joker telling, but I don't care. It's another Joker tale for me to watch.
That's true if you changed the meaning of "no one". You didn't have the internet to exponentially amplify the complaints, but people did (and still do) complain about that.
They could make a narrative where the Joker is following therapy in Arkham and him telling stories to his therapist Dr. Quinzel. And so we go through flashbacks from his newest adventures to the earliest and every story gets blurrier and blurrier and how every one of them ends with batman ruining everything. Until he tries to tell how he came to be and it goes ape shit crazy and none sense and it ends with him not handling it and going crazy and escaping Arkham. Last Shot is him being outside the asylum and a car waiting for him and a female voice saying :"what's the next adventure Mr. J?" That way we have kind of an origin story without settling everything.
Leo as the Joker is one of the most exciting movie rumors I've heard since the initial squeaks of George Miller returning to Mad Max. The idea of a quietly menacing petty criminal growing into that kind of explosive madness is the reason why the range of DiCaprio could make The Joke stand out as a modern Richard of Gloucester (a.k.a.: Dick The 3rd)...
My issue is this: DC always announces and rumours big out of the gate but then little by little move further and further away from that initial idea by committee decree until there's just a mess left over. WW is really the only recent exception to this, and even that has the obligatory CGI boss battle and talk that the studio didn't want the most iconic scene of the film to even be in there. I really want them to prove me wrong but I have so little faith that they're capable of not tripping over their own dicks.
It's because of Geoff Johns. He is an incredible writer but when it comes to films, it seems like him and the people at DC haven't the slightest idea of what to do with their material. Without Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman film the DCEU be a complete failure.
I've seen people Knocking this idea, but in all honesty.. This could be the biggest villain movie of all time. Leo can own this. I can see this like he said, the joker snorting coke and going off. Leo can play crazy. I think this role he can mix just about every character he's played into the Joker and make it epic. When I heard about Leo possibly taking on the joker, first thing I thought of was Leos character in Django Unchained. Then I thought of him playing the autistic kid in GIlbert Grape, then I was thinking about his role in Basketball Diaries and Wolf of Wallstreet how out of touch and off the rails those characters got. Then add a little of his character from Gangs of NY, the Revenant and of course his Cranberry juice scene from the departed.. you mix all those and you have one insanely crazy Joker...I think if he does that.. PURE EPICNESS!!!
Great episode. Shoutout to Marc fpr two best jokes: 1. Leo does the most acting. 2. Todd Phillips (featuring Kev teeing him up proposing someone will win an oscar).
Hey Kevin, check out my "origin" on the Joker if you have time. One night at the Wayne mansion long ago, Martha goes to Thomas' study to tell him it's time for bed and for them to go upstairs. He declines and continues to work, as usual. Frustrated, Martha then goes into the liquor cabinet and begins to drink. She goes to her room closes the door then begins crying. Alfred hears Martha sobbing. Martha begins to tell Alfred she's tired of feeling neglected. Alfred calms her down, and they both begin to drink. One thing leads to another...Alfred wakes up sometime shortly after and returns to his quarters, neither of them tell Thomas to preserve the relationship and the Wayne family name. 10 weeks pass and Martha wakes up feeling sick. She goes to the doctor and finds out she is pregnant. Still in shock, she tells neither Alfred nor Thomas that the Alfred is the father. Thomas and Martha agree that they are not ready to be parents and give the baby boy up for adoption. The guilt of what she has done plagues Martha. She writes a letter to Alfred explaining everything - that it was Alfred's child she was pregnant with, and how she regrets abandoning him, but she decides not to give him the letter. The child that was given up for adoption has been growing up and living in orphan homes. He causes trouble and displays early signs of psychopathy. No family wants him and he is tormented by the other children. Eventually he goes mad. Years later, Bruce Wayne is born. Alfred is cleaning and stumbles upon a letter addressed to no one. He opens the letter begins to read. Alfred is furious and resents Martha for lying to him, and for giving up their child whom he would have loved. Alfred's resentment builds, and one night, he decides to follow a Wayne family outing in secret. After the show, they cut down an alleyway and are shot by an unseen figure guised as a robber. The man who shot the Waynes is none other than Alfred. He keeps Bruce alive so that he knows the pain of growing up parentless, like Alfred's own son, whom he tried and failed to find. In a cruel twist of fate, Batman's two biggest enemies are his own butler, Alfred, and his half-brother, The Joker.
" As much as you bitch about it. We're all going". Hahaha I fucking love this guy. Hope to get to work with him one day like he got to work with a lot of his heroes.
Actually you can have a Joker movie without Batman because this is the JOKERS origin story. Joker came around after Bruce Wayne became Batman. Now there has been more recent stories where they're trying to weave Joker into Bruce Waynes history, but I think the best would be Joker existing without contact to Bruce Wayne. This makes Joker his own character without influence from Bruce Wayne, BUT having his very own life. So expect Batman to appear at the end of that movie and that'll be the perfect ending to the movie. You'll know what he went through to get to this moment. See what I'm saying?
Bill Adams Are you comparing Catwoman to The Joker??? That's comparing apples to oranges. The Joker is by far one of the greatest villains of all time in any medium. Hell we just had a Star Wars movie with no Jedi, and the best part of that movie was the last 30 seconds of Vader... the villain. We can definitely have a Joker movie without Batman that's interesting, if done correctly. Joker is a very disturbing character and it could be very interesting to try and understand how that mind works.
The Killing Joke was not out of continuity. Barbara was crippled after the story in continuity. Just because Grant Morrison interrupts the ending as the death of the Joker doesn't make it so.
He got the basics of the character, but the characterisation wasn't given enough room to breathe. What should have been a main villain role became a supporting role in an already crowded movie. Once he's had more scenes with Harley, way more scenes with Ben Affleck's Batman and shown off more of the comic-inspired characterisation that is there, then they can move on. I'm guessing you didn't see the 'Justice League' end-credits scene.
Dark knight rises- Tom Hardy-Bane Joseph Levitt-Robin Marion Cotillard-Talia Cillian Murphy-Scarecrow Michael Caine-Alfred Oh crap we forgot Cobb from Inception lets put him as the Joker and Ellen Paige as batgirl
I would like to see in this portrayal of the Joker an acknowledgement of all the Joker's being in the continuity together. I mean let's go full Doctor Who and acknowledge the many men before him and that he is just a piece of the chaos!! That would be awesome...
The "Multiple Choice" Joker origin actually did NOT originate with Nolan's films. In a monologue in "The Killing Joke," Joker has a line about what makes people like him and Batman do what they do: "Something like that happened to me, you know. I... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" It's not Nolan. It's Alan Moore.
They keep calling it a 'joker' movie, but it's not. It's before he becomes the joker. Everyone is missing the point of what this film is actually going to be about lol
Paul 保罗 Gotta be honest, I think I'm in the minority that loves the motion capture animation recreating humans, that's maybe why I love Tintin, The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol
Leo always seems to pick good scripts. If he takes the role I will trust that I won't be let down. He is too smart to risk tainting his legacy with a bad film. He won't do a suicide squad or a fantastic four movie. I just wish Nolan was involved.
In all honesty, I wasn't real down for an elseworld film BUT this is an interesting angle for DC to come at BUT (again) if people love specific characters, that are portrayed a roll in these stand alone stories, will they return? Will DC create an event to combine these fan favorites, to collide into one universe? Creating a reboot of sorts? I'm officially hyped folks.
This is why the DCEU is failing. Because Warner Bros can't have one coherent thought. How's about focus on making your existing movies great with the cast you've already cemented as characters.
I feel bad for Jared Leto... He was an awesome Joker and they cut all of his stuff out of Suicide Squad.. With that being said... Leo is the shit and he's probably gonna be one of the best Jokers of all time.
You mentioned The Killing Joke as being out of continuity but The Killing Joke shaped The Batman Family for the next several years and in the case of Barbara Gordon being Oracle until 2011. So The Killing Joke may have been intended to be out of continuity at first but that didn't last one year.
If we're gonna have a Joker Origins film, we need Scorsese or someone at his level who can actually tell WB "You're gonna let me do what I want to with this."
Um, Marvel already does "Stand-alone" out of continuity stories about their characters. The last Ghost Rider was done by their "Marvel Knights" division and was not in continuity with the MCU at all despite having come out after Iron Man 2.
The studios seemingly won't green light anything other than superhero projects which means the vanguard of old Hollywood is forced to step in formation if they wanna work...
Sorry if you mention this later. Also, Gotham by Gaslight animated film in production, and often DC animation is used ahead of live action adaptions. Assuming GbG works, no unreasonable to expect a Batman Elseworlds live action film. This seems to be a direction that DC is going in, and full speed ahead. No reason at all to have one Batman continuity at a time when you can have three even if some are single film continuities.
What WB should do are Single Movies with Good Stories then occasionally do a "World's Finest" team up with a couple of heroes at a time. Forget World Building, just Do good movies!
Did anyone notice the part of the set fell ? Watch from 1:10 to 1:15 and look at the screen behind them (at the bottom) and you will see that wood trim fall ... lol
I can see what your saying keeping 'The Joker' with no known identity or background and such as far as 'Bob Kane' goes writing the original comics ,but did he not share creative permissions with other writers? At first I thought to myself 'Leonardo Dicaprio' wouldn't make a good one ;however, he can act and his proven it time and time again. I personally loved 'Jared Leto' as 'The Joker', so %#*@ anyone who says different. I was just disappointed with the amount of screen-time he got because to me... He represented a culmination of a few different comic versions I liked as well reminding me the animated series' (kind of threw a flashback in my head of 'Mark Hamill (Although i thought he was hit and miss with me when I was a child). So I saw across my screen yesterday that 'Leonardo DiCaprio' as 'The Joker' then I got a strange urge to drink some liquor and clean out my liquor cabinet. Upon hallucinating in this drunken state it something strange occurred to me and I started thinking about how it could make sense for two different actors to be 'The Joker'. Alot of people here probably don't read the comics very much or watch the animated series.. (I swear I've read comics with similar basis to Tim Burton's 1989 film though Tim Burton always brings some beautiful creative uniqueness to anything he's done (Yes, I thought they were kind of corny ;however, in a good way if that makes sense... Like caramel and butter on popcorn. Kind of funny that 'Leonardo DiCaprio' kind of resembles ) So bare with me here. Picture Leonardo DiCaprio as 'Jack Napier/RedHood' pre-chemical vat and Jared Leto as 'The Joker' post-chemical vat because you know Batman goes batshit crazy damn near kills 'Jack Napier/Redhood' and accidentally pushes him into the vat of chemicals. Hell that could be the end of the damn movie even except with Batman trying to avoid getting shot to death by the police in a factory and 'Jack Napier/RedHood' barely scathing to life ;however, escaping in the nick of time to plot revenge against Batman. Remember something.... The Character was burned ,and bleached then had botched surgery, self-surgery (He even practiced on other people like Picasso before he did facial reconstructive surgery to himself) then had his teeth knocked out and his face smashed by Batman several times probably giving him boxer cuts because you know ribbed rubber and latex would probably cut a person's face up. An origin movie focused more in Joker's perspective should happen in my opinion. Not the whole movie of course ,but I think it could give more dynamic to the hero and villain complex. See if you pay attention he was always a psychopath and amoral ,but vain and narcissistic as well, so him falling into the chemical vat just kind of pushed him closer over the edge than he already was. I guess that they'd have to get creative to make Leonardo DiCaprio and Jared Leto favor just a little more before such transition (Not even really much in my opinion (Good make-up crew could give this nice continuity) ,but they can't look exactly alike for a reason and even the voice has to be different. The voice before falling in acidic chemicals and then the latter. I kind of hope now I didn't ruin some screenplay writer's secret gem spoiling it with my crazy imagination. I could be wrong by I remember a comic named 'The Dark Knight Returns' which I believe for some reason that Christopher Nolan's movie were more adapted sort of from. Heath Ledger was amazing though, for some reason in my mind I picture his 'Joker' as a quite a bit older than 'Jared Leto's Joker' not even really like a different character ,but like a personality change. I don't know I was drunk on Everclear and Vodka when I was thinking about all of this.
I still want to see Jared leto become the joker after being robin/night wing (Jason toddler) It would be a great story to tell and explain so much about the current interpretation of batman and the joker. If leonardo does become the joker in a stand alone movie then he can be the original joker and it not interfere with the current DC movie universe.
The Joker is one of the greatest characters of all time, and Heath Ledger winning the Academy Award for best actor for portraying The Joker was no Joke. There is a lot of meat on this character when in the hands of the right writer and who knows, maybe DiCapiro will sign on to play the role and go on to become the second actor to win best actor for a portrayal of The Joker. Because god knows Jared Leto ain't gonna any time soon...
Evan Lefavor I agree completely. Jared leto's version of the joker was the most boring and incompetent joker ever!! He is suppose to be at the very least Batman equal and he spends the entire movie trying to get Harley out. It's like they took heath's joker and remixed it with that song "pretty fly for a white guy" and slashed his IQ to rere proportions!
"boring and incompetent"? With his psychotic unpredictability, his successful criminal empire, his ability to steal military and government technology and successfully getting his favourite plaything back? And I wouldn't say Batman and Joker are equals, they're opposites. The same card, but two very different sides. And you don't get much further from Batfleck than Leto's Joker (oh yeah, and he killed Robin, so not so incompetent).
on a side note, looking at a movie like nightcrawler makes me think jake gyllenhaal might be able to play an amazing joker especially if dc reboots their movie universe
Marty is not directing this movie. He's collecting a paycheck for allowing WB to slap his name on the poster as a Producer. Leo IS NOT playing the Joker. It is a pipe dream from a pinhead WB exec who Marty duped into thinking it was even a possibility all the while Marty got to add another zero on his paycheck. The director they do have signed is horrible. This is a train wreck but then again this is part for the course for WB/DC. It is amazing to watch WB/DC fight so hard against the template that Disney/Marvel on how to create, manage and run a cinematic universe. Eventually once they fire everybody someone will get the bright idea to not reinvent the wheel.
Anthony's Arcade How could you possibly know she is talented? You're obviously just trying to get her attention so it's safe to say you find her attractive (100% subjective but I'll go with it) but you have no conceivable way of discerning whether or not she is talented. What was your end game here? Was she supposed to swoon so hard that she just couldn't resist obtaining your number and starting a long distance relationship with you and eventually moving to be with you?
Surprised Big Kev wants to see another Joker on screen. I think we need NEW characters. Take the cue from Deadpool -- audiences want to see characters they've never seen portrayed to PERFECTION already.
They want scorsese to produce it, which who knows what that really entails. They probably just wanna be able to use his name. The director is gonna be the dude from the hang over. Im not holding my breath that Dicaprio would sign on to do it. I personally liked Batman 89's Joker origin. How Joker created Batman by killing his parents and Batman created Joker by throwing him in the tub of chemicals. Creating this circle of life, nemesis's that created each other trapped to battle each other forever.
I mean, has Leto said for certain that he has no interest in reprising the role? Seems to me like he should get a fair shout after the shambles they made of his performance last time.
rushaholic Yeah but think of that team up! Beetlejuice captivatingly distracts you with his hilarious wacky hijinks while the Candy Man slips up behind you to loose your entrails upon the floor before your eyes!
I want a Joker movie that's done in the style of a found footage horror movie. The story is Batman finds a video tape with a blood written smile on it. Batman watches the tape and what he sees is like a Saw 'I wanna play a game' type of a amusement park. Were put in the Jokers captured victims POV (security cameras) for the jumpscares have a fake haunted house dummies, Jokers goons (who don't kill them, but clowningly torture them beyond belief) and eventually (when they die) the Joker kills them in a creative psychotic clown way. To end the film kill off all the captured people, and have the Joker do a jumpscare, grab the go pro, and say 'Batman, you have failed. And I'm not talking about the people that I killed, I'm talking about me. You've failed me. I was really hoping that you would find me, beat the living Hell outta me, save these people, take me back to the Looney Toon of an insane asylum, I break out, and we start over". Joker then takes a knife, slits one of the dead victims throats, dip Jokers finger in the blood, put a smile on the camera, laugh awesomely and insane like, drop the camera, and stomp on it. The film ends, and people leave with shit in their shorts. Except for Deadpool. He wore the brown pants.
Marvel needs an elsewhere universe so they can share characters with other studios. Hulk vs. wolverine or an epic, gritty, dark knight-esque tril revolving around spidey, daredevil, and the fucking punisher
Seeing this two years later feels surreal. Just saw the film last night, Joaquin is epic and the film will mess you up. Let the conversation begin.
"They had me at Leo" LOL!
+angela williams DON'T MAKE ME PIMP SMACK YOU LIKE I PIMP SMACKED HARLEY
I am so down for a whole movie department dedicated to Elseworld stories. I love those comics !!! They're like DC'S "what if's"
So much of the Elseworlds comics are SO great. It'll be interesting to see what they do with it
Matt Man
Yeah man, I completely agree. I can't believe people are upset by this news.
Matt Man yeah, as Kevin Smith says the world of comic book characters is forever in "Act II" phase where there is rarely any final conclusion to character's archs. I think that's what made Logan stand out because they kinda did thier own thing. So, I'm all on board for the one off ideas. It would awesome to see like a Red son movie.
I could watch joker eat the entire population of china,it doesn't even have to be entertaining,he could just be in his throne chowing down for 2 hours.
I always wanted to play Harley Quinn, but as im a bit to old and not as in shape, Margot Robbie was fucking awesome as her.
In 2000 I hand sewed my own vinyl Harley costume, I also got a huge tat of her on my left forearm. It was so good i wore it 2 years in a row.
I was 21 the second time, I was one month shy the first year. I wore it to a Mardi Gras event at my fav goth club, and they decided Halloween was going to be Arkham Asylum themed coz my costume inspired it. So naturally I had to show up Halloween there. Not ONE other Batman character was present. I was heartbroken not to find a Joker to play with that night, but I did win 2nd place in contest. Tron suit guy won first but he traded me prizes. Which was that wonderful huge poster print painting of Harley & Mistah J dancing together.
I had NEVER seen anyone dressed as Harley back then for anything. Joker's once in awhile. Now, Ever since Nolan/Ledger Dark Knight you see multiple J's every Halloween. Harley tons since Suicide Squad, I believe I read that was the most popular costume the year the film debut.
I agree with Kevin on a lot of this. As well as share his love and knowledge that Harley would steal the show once live action Harley debut finally happened.
I had my copy reserved at my local comic shop when she was finally added into the comic world with her own comic series!
I try to be open minded as far as film & tv go with making live action versions of comics & books I love.
I see it as me getting to enjoy characters/story near and dear to me and that director/artists personal interpretation of it. Which may differ from source material but I get to enjoy getting to have more entertainment of is, as though I get another universe & dimension of something I fucking love good or bad.
Bring it on people, I know it won't be cannon Joker telling, but I don't care. It's another Joker tale for me to watch.
I never knew I needed a Leonardo DiCaprio Joker movie until this moment and now it HAS to happen
All of the best comics are standalone story arcs! Especially for DCComics, DiCaprio will own that role.
DiCaprio's dad was an underground comics artist, and knew the heavy hitters like Robert Williams and S. Clay Wilson.
Jackie Chan as The Joker and Caitlyn Jenner as the new Harley.
In the 1989 Batman film, you know the one people loved at the time, they gave the Joker an origin story and no one bitched about it.
That's true if you changed the meaning of "no one". You didn't have the internet to exponentially amplify the complaints, but people did (and still do) complain about that.
They could make a narrative where the Joker is following therapy in Arkham and him telling stories to his therapist Dr. Quinzel. And so we go through flashbacks from his newest adventures to the earliest and every story gets blurrier and blurrier and how every one of them ends with batman ruining everything. Until he tries to tell how he came to be and it goes ape shit crazy and none sense and it ends with him not handling it and going crazy and escaping Arkham. Last Shot is him being outside the asylum and a car waiting for him and a female voice saying :"what's the next adventure Mr. J?"
That way we have kind of an origin story without settling everything.
Leo as the Joker is one of the most exciting movie rumors I've heard since the initial squeaks of George Miller returning to Mad Max. The idea of a quietly menacing petty criminal growing into that kind of explosive madness is the reason why the range of DiCaprio could make The Joke stand out as a modern Richard of Gloucester (a.k.a.: Dick The 3rd)...
My issue is this: DC always announces and rumours big out of the gate but then little by little move further and further away from that initial idea by committee decree until there's just a mess left over. WW is really the only recent exception to this, and even that has the obligatory CGI boss battle and talk that the studio didn't want the most iconic scene of the film to even be in there. I really want them to prove me wrong but I have so little faith that they're capable of not tripping over their own dicks.
It's because of Geoff Johns. He is an incredible writer but when it comes to films, it seems like him and the people at DC haven't the slightest idea of what to do with their material. Without Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman film the DCEU be a complete failure.
I've seen people Knocking this idea, but in all honesty.. This could be the biggest villain movie of all time. Leo can own this. I can see this like he said, the joker snorting coke and going off. Leo can play crazy. I think this role he can mix just about every character he's played into the Joker and make it epic. When I heard about Leo possibly taking on the joker, first thing I thought of was Leos character in Django Unchained. Then I thought of him playing the autistic kid in GIlbert Grape, then I was thinking about his role in Basketball Diaries and Wolf of Wallstreet how out of touch and off the rails those characters got. Then add a little of his character from Gangs of NY, the Revenant and of course his Cranberry juice scene from the departed.. you mix all those and you have one insanely crazy Joker...I think if he does that.. PURE EPICNESS!!!
"Titanic" talent haha I see what you did there.
Great episode. Shoutout to Marc fpr two best jokes: 1. Leo does the most acting. 2. Todd Phillips (featuring Kev teeing him up proposing someone will win an oscar).
Hey Kevin, check out my "origin" on the Joker if you have time.
One night at the Wayne mansion long ago, Martha goes to Thomas' study to tell him it's time for bed and for them to go upstairs. He declines and continues to work, as usual. Frustrated, Martha then goes into the liquor cabinet and begins to drink. She goes to her room closes the door then begins crying. Alfred hears Martha sobbing. Martha begins to tell Alfred she's tired of feeling neglected. Alfred calms her down, and they both begin to drink. One thing leads to another...Alfred wakes up sometime shortly after and returns to his quarters, neither of them tell Thomas to preserve the relationship and the Wayne family name.
10 weeks pass and Martha wakes up feeling sick. She goes to the doctor and finds out she is pregnant. Still in shock, she tells neither Alfred nor Thomas that the Alfred is the father. Thomas and Martha agree that they are not ready to be parents and give the baby boy up for adoption.
The guilt of what she has done plagues Martha. She writes a letter to Alfred explaining everything - that it was Alfred's child she was pregnant with, and how she regrets abandoning him, but she decides not to give him the letter. The child that was given up for adoption has been growing up and living in orphan homes. He causes trouble and displays early signs of psychopathy. No family wants him and he is tormented by the other children. Eventually he goes mad.
Years later, Bruce Wayne is born. Alfred is cleaning and stumbles upon a letter addressed to no one. He opens the letter begins to read. Alfred is furious and resents Martha for lying to him, and for giving up their child whom he would have loved. Alfred's resentment builds, and one night, he decides to follow a Wayne family outing in secret. After the show, they cut down an alleyway and are shot by an unseen figure guised as a robber.
The man who shot the Waynes is none other than Alfred. He keeps Bruce alive so that he knows the pain of growing up parentless, like Alfred's own son, whom he tried and failed to find. In a cruel twist of fate, Batman's two biggest enemies are his own butler, Alfred, and his half-brother, The Joker.
" As much as you bitch about it. We're all going". Hahaha I fucking love this guy. Hope to get to work with him one day like he got to work with a lot of his heroes.
Holy shit, I legit crapped myself when I heard Kevin shout Joker, Joker, JOKER!!! The tv being on full blast!!!
When Batman asked who is the Joker the chair asked "Which one?"
You can have a Batman movie without the Joker, but a Joker movie without Batman is trash before you start.
Actually you can have a Joker movie without Batman because this is the JOKERS origin story. Joker came around after Bruce Wayne became Batman. Now there has been more recent stories where they're trying to weave Joker into Bruce Waynes history, but I think the best would be Joker existing without contact to Bruce Wayne. This makes Joker his own character without influence from Bruce Wayne, BUT having his very own life. So expect Batman to appear at the end of that movie and that'll be the perfect ending to the movie. You'll know what he went through to get to this moment. See what I'm saying?
name one comic about the joker that doesnt somehow revolve around batman
SoundCheese Did you see the Catwoman movie?
Bill Adams
Are you comparing Catwoman to The Joker??? That's comparing apples to oranges. The Joker is by far one of the greatest villains of all time in any medium. Hell we just had a Star Wars movie with no Jedi, and the best part of that movie was the last 30 seconds of Vader... the villain. We can definitely have a Joker movie without Batman that's interesting, if done correctly. Joker is a very disturbing character and it could be very interesting to try and understand how that mind works.
The Killing Joke was not out of continuity. Barbara was crippled after the story in continuity. Just because Grant Morrison interrupts the ending as the death of the Joker doesn't make it so.
Let Leto do his thing. Don't kill his joker before it's given legitimate screen time
+Nekrophage IKR Fucking GEOFF JOHNS IS BEHIND THIS BS
He got the basics of the character, but the characterisation wasn't given enough room to breathe. What should have been a main villain role became a supporting role in an already crowded movie. Once he's had more scenes with Harley, way more scenes with Ben Affleck's Batman and shown off more of the comic-inspired characterisation that is there, then they can move on.
I'm guessing you didn't see the 'Justice League' end-credits scene.
I personally don't want a joker movie in or out of continuity. If Affleck doesn't do The Batman get Leo
Leo can play a good bad guy too. Him in django unchained was a dope. I can see it
Dark knight rises-
Tom Hardy-Bane
Joseph Levitt-Robin
Marion Cotillard-Talia
Cillian Murphy-Scarecrow
Michael Caine-Alfred
Oh crap we forgot Cobb from Inception lets put him as the Joker and Ellen Paige as batgirl
I would like to see in this portrayal of the Joker an acknowledgement of all the Joker's being in the continuity together. I mean let's go full Doctor Who and acknowledge the many men before him and that he is just a piece of the chaos!! That would be awesome...
How about Leonardo Dicaprio as Batman and Sean Penn as The Joker with Martin Scorsese directing?
Leo as the Joker... I'm in.
Hell yeah!
If this movie does get made, they are going to do the backstory that's where Leo comes in he'll be able to take from normal to super crazy
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The "Multiple Choice" Joker origin actually did NOT originate with Nolan's films. In a monologue in "The Killing Joke," Joker has a line about what makes people like him and Batman do what they do:
"Something like that happened to me, you know. I... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
It's not Nolan. It's Alan Moore.
WarCry75 you'd think someone who claims to be such a Batman nerd would know that
They keep calling it a 'joker' movie, but it's not. It's before he becomes the joker. Everyone is missing the point of what this film is actually going to be about lol
Boys Spielberg made a comic book movie. Tintin.
I wish he hadn't... it was so bad.
that went deep into the uncanny valley.
Paul 保罗 yes it was deep in the valley.
Richard Dufault I really enjoyed it, very fun
Paul 保罗 Gotta be honest, I think I'm in the minority that loves the motion capture animation recreating humans, that's maybe why I love Tintin, The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol
This movie can go like this A) The Departed or B) Black Mass. I personally hope its like the departed
Always thought Crispin Glover would be a great Joker.
Back to the old format... Paul Dini and Kevin going through the animated episodes
Leo always seems to pick good scripts. If he takes the role I will trust that I won't be let down. He is too smart to risk tainting his legacy with a bad film. He won't do a suicide squad or a fantastic four movie. I just wish Nolan was involved.
Dicaprio as joker im ready. He is a great actor. Every movie that he plays he does a great job in it and is true to charakter
"Killing Joke" was eventually written into continuity...
A jacked bill hader would be the perfect joker
Calling it now: DiCaprio will never play the Joker. Pure pipe-dream.
That's alot of joker fish💣
I like the old intro music better....
I can't help but sing along with every word,including "get on out here turkey"
In all honesty, I wasn't real down for an elseworld film BUT this is an interesting angle for DC to come at BUT (again) if people love specific characters, that are portrayed a roll in these stand alone stories, will they return? Will DC create an event to combine these fan favorites, to collide into one universe? Creating a reboot of sorts? I'm officially hyped folks.
This is why the DCEU is failing. Because Warner Bros can't have one coherent thought. How's about focus on making your existing movies great with the cast you've already cemented as characters.
Even think of What's Eating Gilbert Grape...Leo is an unreal actor! Lol heard you say it as I typed. Wish you would do more batman writing Kevin.
I feel bad for Jared Leto... He was an awesome Joker and they cut all of his stuff out of Suicide Squad..
With that being said... Leo is the shit and he's probably gonna be one of the best Jokers of all time.
Villain Village Jared is a good actor, people are too blind to see his other films and are too spoiled brats
Actually I would've preferred a Riddler movie with that team.
You mentioned The Killing Joke as being out of continuity but The Killing Joke shaped The Batman Family for the next several years and in the case of Barbara Gordon being Oracle until 2011. So The Killing Joke may have been intended to be out of continuity at first but that didn't last one year.
If we're gonna have a Joker Origins film, we need Scorsese or someone at his level who can actually tell WB "You're gonna let me do what I want to with this."
Don't kill the Joker. He's Batman's ultimate nemesis.
Um, Marvel already does "Stand-alone" out of continuity stories about their characters. The last Ghost Rider was done by their "Marvel Knights" division and was not in continuity with the MCU at all despite having come out after Iron Man 2.
The studios seemingly won't green light anything other than superhero projects which means the vanguard of old Hollywood is forced to step in formation if they wanna work...
It's just weird that a DiCaprio Joker flick would be announced WHILE a Leto Joker still exists in an ongoing cinematic universe. Just odd.
It's because Geoff John and company are just throwing random things out there and hoping that they stick.
A better story would be "Going Sane". DeCaprio would kill with a solid story.
I love this conversation, but I think a better Shakespeare character to make the comparison (as opposed to Hamlet) would be Othello...
Sorry if you mention this later. Also, Gotham by Gaslight animated film in production, and often DC animation is used ahead of live action adaptions. Assuming GbG works, no unreasonable to expect a Batman Elseworlds live action film. This seems to be a direction that DC is going in, and full speed ahead. No reason at all to have one Batman continuity at a time when you can have three even if some are single film continuities.
What WB should do are Single Movies with Good Stories then occasionally do a "World's Finest" team up with a couple of heroes at a time. Forget World Building, just Do good movies!
Smith made it five minutes without talking about penasia! That's a record
Marc, that shirt.... I need it. Drop a link to a website, please!
I'd rather see Leo be the next Bruce Wayne than the Joker.
Leo wont do it when he knows Leto is very committed to the role.
DannyAllenXperience Leo won't do it because Leo is committed to making great movies.
Steven Spielberg Did "Tin Tin" which is based on a french comic :D
Leo/Scorsesi has had me since The Aviator! Lets do this, The Joker!
Did anyone notice the part of the set fell ? Watch from 1:10 to 1:15 and look at the screen behind them (at the bottom) and you will see that wood trim fall ... lol
Leonardo DiCaprio would be a great Riddler as well
As much as i would like to see more good DC Movies, a Joker standalone movie ain't the answer.
I can see what your saying keeping 'The Joker' with no known identity or background and such as far as 'Bob Kane' goes writing the original comics ,but did he not share creative permissions with other writers? At first I thought to myself 'Leonardo Dicaprio' wouldn't make a good one ;however, he can act and his proven it time and time again. I personally loved 'Jared Leto' as 'The Joker', so %#*@ anyone who says different. I was just disappointed with the amount of screen-time he got because to me... He represented a culmination of a few different comic versions I liked as well reminding me the animated series' (kind of threw a flashback in my head of 'Mark Hamill (Although i thought he was hit and miss with me when I was a child). So I saw across my screen yesterday that 'Leonardo DiCaprio' as 'The Joker' then I got a strange urge to drink some liquor and clean out my liquor cabinet. Upon hallucinating in this drunken state it something strange occurred to me and I started thinking about how it could make sense for two different actors to be 'The Joker'. Alot of people here probably don't read the comics very much or watch the animated series.. (I swear I've read comics with similar basis to Tim Burton's 1989 film though Tim Burton always brings some beautiful creative uniqueness to anything he's done (Yes, I thought they were kind of corny ;however, in a good way if that makes sense... Like caramel and butter on popcorn. Kind of funny that 'Leonardo DiCaprio' kind of resembles ) So bare with me here. Picture Leonardo DiCaprio as 'Jack Napier/RedHood' pre-chemical vat and Jared Leto as 'The Joker' post-chemical vat because you know Batman goes batshit crazy damn near kills 'Jack Napier/Redhood' and accidentally pushes him into the vat of chemicals. Hell that could be the end of the damn movie even except with Batman trying to avoid getting shot to death by the police in a factory and 'Jack Napier/RedHood' barely scathing to life ;however, escaping in the nick of time to plot revenge against Batman. Remember something.... The Character was burned ,and bleached then had botched surgery, self-surgery (He even practiced on other people like Picasso before he did facial reconstructive surgery to himself) then had his teeth knocked out and his face smashed by Batman several times probably giving him boxer cuts because you know ribbed rubber and latex would probably cut a person's face up. An origin movie focused more in Joker's perspective should happen in my opinion. Not the whole movie of course ,but I think it could give more dynamic to the hero and villain complex. See if you pay attention he was always a psychopath and amoral ,but vain and narcissistic as well, so him falling into the chemical vat just kind of pushed him closer over the edge than he already was. I guess that they'd have to get creative to make Leonardo DiCaprio and Jared Leto favor just a little more before such transition (Not even really much in my opinion (Good make-up crew could give this nice continuity) ,but they can't look exactly alike for a reason and even the voice has to be different. The voice before falling in acidic chemicals and then the latter. I kind of hope now I didn't ruin some screenplay writer's secret gem spoiling it with my crazy imagination. I could be wrong by I remember a comic named 'The Dark Knight Returns' which I believe for some reason that Christopher Nolan's movie were more adapted sort of from. Heath Ledger was amazing though, for some reason in my mind I picture his 'Joker' as a quite a bit older than 'Jared Leto's Joker' not even really like a different character ,but like a personality change. I don't know I was drunk on Everclear and Vodka when I was thinking about all of this.
I still want to see Jared leto become the joker after being robin/night wing (Jason toddler) It would be a great story to tell and explain so much about the current interpretation of batman and the joker. If leonardo does become the joker in a stand alone movie then he can be the original joker and it not interfere with the current DC movie universe.
The kid from Shameless should be Joker.
Daniel Hodgson can't you have a lot of jobs in Hollywood?
The Joker is one of the greatest characters of all time, and Heath Ledger winning the Academy Award for best actor for portraying The Joker was no Joke. There is a lot of meat on this character when in the hands of the right writer and who knows, maybe DiCapiro will sign on to play the role and go on to become the second actor to win best actor for a portrayal of The Joker. Because god knows Jared Leto ain't gonna any time soon...
Evan Lefavor I agree completely. Jared leto's version of the joker was the most boring and incompetent joker ever!! He is suppose to be at the very least Batman equal and he spends the entire movie trying to get Harley out. It's like they took heath's joker and remixed it with that song "pretty fly for a white guy" and slashed his IQ to rere proportions!
"boring and incompetent"? With his psychotic unpredictability, his successful criminal empire, his ability to steal military and government technology and successfully getting his favourite plaything back?
And I wouldn't say Batman and Joker are equals, they're opposites. The same card, but two very different sides. And you don't get much further from Batfleck than Leto's Joker (oh yeah, and he killed Robin, so not so incompetent).
Marc is the voice on Clerks Animated series!!! i just got that!! how has it taken this long?!!
Willem Dafoe needs to be the Joker!
Thomas J. Bellezza old man joker?
too old
I agree it would be an older Joker, but who says the joker isn't older than bruce wayne normally?
I'd be so scare by his version of Joker, but I can guarantee it's going to be one of the most memorable Joker ever.
OH GOD YESS!!!! u fuckin wanna see a dude born to play a phsyco? well get the guy who can scare the fuck out of you with just his smile
on a side note, looking at a movie like nightcrawler makes me think jake gyllenhaal might be able to play an amazing joker especially if dc reboots their movie universe
Kevin smith opinion is the only thing I would listen to
Marty is not directing this movie. He's collecting a paycheck for allowing WB to slap his name on the poster as a Producer. Leo IS NOT playing the Joker. It is a pipe dream from a pinhead WB exec who Marty duped into thinking it was even a possibility all the while Marty got to add another zero on his paycheck. The director they do have signed is horrible. This is a train wreck but then again this is part for the course for WB/DC. It is amazing to watch WB/DC fight so hard against the template that Disney/Marvel on how to create, manage and run a cinematic universe. Eventually once they fire everybody someone will get the bright idea to not reinvent the wheel.
These actors don't want to have a franchise. Jesus Christ I would kill to have a part in a movie franchise.
No idea who you are but I agree. Umm let's do it, you and I lol
I'd wanna see you in a movie franchise too. You're beautiful and talented. You'd be amazing as catwoman or even batgirl:)
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How could you possibly know she is talented? You're obviously just trying to get her attention so it's safe to say you find her attractive (100% subjective but I'll go with it) but you have no conceivable way of discerning whether or not she is talented.
What was your end game here? Was she supposed to swoon so hard that she just couldn't resist obtaining your number and starting a long distance relationship with you and eventually moving to be with you?
Neg Ative I love how you put me down in your comment. You don't know me and have no control not influence on my destiny.
Talia Price He's not wrong though and he wasn't trying to influence your destiny...
Batman isn't going to be good again until they do an old man Batman starring Michael Keaton
Surprised Big Kev wants to see another Joker on screen. I think we need NEW characters. Take the cue from Deadpool -- audiences want to see characters they've never seen portrayed to PERFECTION already.
Ehh.... not my pick for Joker, but Leonardo can will act harder than anyone in the biz. We'll see his take on it.
I agree i don't think we need the movie, but with the people involved it may be good. I will reserve judgement on this Joker standalone film.
They want scorsese to produce it, which who knows what that really entails. They probably just wanna be able to use his name. The director is gonna be the dude from the hang over. Im not holding my breath that Dicaprio would sign on to do it.
I personally liked Batman 89's Joker origin. How Joker created Batman by killing his parents and Batman created Joker by throwing him in the tub of chemicals. Creating this circle of life, nemesis's that created each other trapped to battle each other forever.
AlSemz There to many heath ledger only fans now. So it wont happen.
Bro spoilers
I mean, has Leto said for certain that he has no interest in reprising the role? Seems to me like he should get a fair shout after the shambles they made of his performance last time.
Nicky Morris Leto is signed on for at least 3 more movies.. a joker and Harley movie, suicide squad 2 and Gotham city sirens
Yeah, I don't feel so bad now as I didn't realise this movie is meant to be independent of the DCEU.
before seeing this video, i thought no way would dicaprio be interested in this. but these two make a pretty convincing case
I feel the only way to redeem Jeared Letto's Joker is to make him Jason Todd. It feels they laid the groundwork for it. I hope it comes true.
I would like to see Peter Stormare as the Joker.
It's fun to watch Kevin try to justify WB's "Throw everything at the wall approach," and justify it as some planned strategy.
how can anyone call Leonardo the best actor that year when 99 Homes and Son Of Saul weren't even nominated ?
Hmmm...Since Mark Hamil does a great job as the voice...and he is a good actor all around...wouldn't it be interesting to have him as a Joker?
Cameron Monaghan is currently owning it as The Joker in Gotham!!
Of course Leto is pissed. Even if that report is not based in any fact, there is no way he is not pissed.
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Are you trying to kill us all? Stop that!!
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Yeah but think of that team up! Beetlejuice captivatingly distracts you with his hilarious wacky hijinks while the Candy Man slips up behind you to loose your entrails upon the floor before your eyes!
Well you've got to admire their optimism.
You rock, guys!
Please put the old intro back
I want a Joker movie that's done in the style of a found footage horror movie. The story is Batman finds a video tape with a blood written smile on it. Batman watches the tape and what he sees is like a Saw 'I wanna play a game' type of a amusement park. Were put in the Jokers captured victims POV (security cameras) for the jumpscares have a fake haunted house dummies, Jokers goons (who don't kill them, but clowningly torture them beyond belief) and eventually (when they die) the Joker kills them in a creative psychotic clown way. To end the film kill off all the captured people, and have the Joker do a jumpscare, grab the go pro, and say 'Batman, you have failed. And I'm not talking about the people that I killed, I'm talking about me. You've failed me. I was really hoping that you would find me, beat the living Hell outta me, save these people, take me back to the Looney Toon of an insane asylum, I break out, and we start over". Joker then takes a knife, slits one of the dead victims throats, dip Jokers finger in the blood, put a smile on the camera, laugh awesomely and insane like, drop the camera, and stomp on it. The film ends, and people leave with shit in their shorts. Except for Deadpool. He wore the brown pants.
I love my Black Widow comics. I would not trade them for anything.
Ever seen Mark Hamill play the Trickster in the Flash show? That's pretty much a Hamill live action joker right there.
Marvel needs an elsewhere universe so they can share characters with other studios. Hulk vs. wolverine or an epic, gritty, dark knight-esque tril revolving around spidey, daredevil, and the fucking punisher
Why are you guys still using those mics!?