In the mid 90's I trained with Antonina and Nikolai Anikin (Russian ski coaches) in Duluth Minnesota. The modern technique you show was exactly what Antonia taught back then. She was obsessed with efficacy of moment. Very nice videos showing the technique.
I first saw this video last ski season (22/23) and it was a mindblow; I had been taught and practiced to place my foot on a flat ski directly underneath my hip in V1 - just as explained in this video, so I over roated my hips/pelvis. It took a a few outings but having the mental picture of Scott using the modern V1 (view following Scott up the hill) really helped me visualize how I should place my feet. I went out for the 1st time this year today and I still had the mental image of Scott's V1 in my head; it helped. So - big thanks to Nordic Ski Lab for teaching and explaining a better V1.
Thank you..I see exactly what your saying and, under certain (perhaps steeper) cicumstances this subtle difference could benefit. However, on less steep uphill grades, or if youve achieved good momentum, skiing (gliding) for that extra subsecond (or so) can provide a chance to enjoy the art of skiing, and help catch your breath. I often use those "old school" microseconds to stretch, relax, and enjoy the surroundings and being alive 😎
The old style definitely requires more work! As I've gotten older (or fatter and out of shape), I haven't been able to maintain the old style, and have naturally switched to the new style.
Excellent video. Now all there is left to do is to fight years of old reflexes, especially when tired, and _practice, practice, practice._ It's hard to change an old brain's habit. Especially, for an old man ! 😏
Coaches used to spend hours telling people not to do what is now widely done. I came to the conclusions coaches don't really add a ton of value beyond keeping an athlete from making too many big training and racing tactics mistakes. Well ok, there's the waxing aspect, I guess. But technique is massively personal. Data analytics tells me the primary goal of technique is NOT to simply try to copy your favourite Norwegian. The goal of ski technique is to optimise YOUR biomechanical configuration in the way that provides maximal speed for minimal energy. You don't need technique coaching. You need a biotech lab to assess your Wattage vs speed vs sugar consumption for various techniques configurations. Pick the techniques that optimises YOU. There IS no one way to ski "right".
thanx it works. Old timer doing things the old way could barely climb stalling on weight shift etc. Worked on your method this season and can climb half decently now.
I learned to skate in the 1980s and carried those habits for 20 years. My kids’ high school coach, who had just finished skiing for a top college program, taught them the wider stance. And I picked up on it. But even now some 15 years later I think I fall back onto old habits and have to concentrate to use more efficient technique. Great video!
Ran out of gas today trying to skate after a few years. Will definitely be trying this better technique in the next few days. Makes great sense after watching the video. Many thanks Kim for showing 😊old vs new!
Thanks so much for this video explanation, Kim!!! I have practiced the V1 today, and almost every day.😊I really enjoy being a member too! Greetings from Oslo, Norway. Best regards, Adrian 😃
I guess that this is related to the fact that Wassberg is the used almost everywhere today. Offset /V1 is reserved only for very steep stuff now. No pro or even average should use offset on flat. Gliding is key for efficiency and that requires flat ski having body weight over it. This modern offset is totally opposite to that and thus its usage should be also limited to where it's really needed only.
I'm not sure the analogy is perfect, but to me it feels like the difference between skating on hockey skates vs on long blades. With hockey skates I am making short strides and pushing off the edge right away without much weight transfer. On long blades I am getting on a flat blade and getting my weight over the gliding skate.
I began skate skiing in the '80's & wider stance is all I've ever been able to do. I've never been able to accomplish your "older" version succesfully. Having said that, as I have gotten older, I find the wider version is very taxing on my thighs & this year I've been slowing down my tempo & am making an effort to "get over" my landing ski (your old way). I find it much easier on my body. Just say'in. Also, I've been working on my 1 skate for about 3 yrs now & despite having been told that it is more efficient & studying videos, I find that my heart rate goes up a good 10 beats when I'm using it. I do like the open field skate, which I stumbled upon at least 15 yrs ago while roller skiing & before the 1 skate was widely used in my area of the US.
A couple years ago, at a local race, a local coach came up behind me on a steeper slope. He yelled at me to ski with a wider stance. It stuck with me and was easy to adopt.
Thank you for your work. That is what I just explained my daughter today, about efficiency and economy of uphill work. Your video helps me to demonstrate the difference between forced and energy efficient approach.
Great work Kim! This is an interesting one - as I find the old style v1 to be a bit more elegant as it seems to employ the whole architectural swing of the body. I can see that the new style would be faster - for sure. Does that also mean that the new style would require less energy overall to cover the same distance - regardless of speed? (Your video editing skills are getting better and better!)
Which one is the fastest technic to use if you are strong enough to ski offset either way? I am just trying to impress my friends by going fast up-hill one hill and die of exhaustion by a tree at the top of the hill where nobody can see me! 🤪🤪🤪 amazing vidéo Kim! Clear straight to the point!
Wow. I learned to skate ski in the 90s. I always assumed skis that were not flat did not glide well. I do wonder if the new method puts more strain on the knees since you are not over your knee when pushing?
If you go up hill in wet and soft conditions like April May , than If you ski in the edge you get stuck, or at least I do. But If you ski on a flat Ski and use more the uper body, you "surf" uphill. And if there are only a few cm of snow, These edge-skaters destroy the trak to fast. It often makes sense to use the flat ski
As an amateur, you automatically go wider, it feels easier, more natural and usually the body is good at doing what is most efficient. One also tends to cycle at a cadence that is best for one's body (it's trainable but you gravitate to what feels best).
I have had very little experience in skating and is far from advanced in understanding this, but to me it looks like old offset is more complicated requiring mode balance and more precise timing while new is more intuitive. When I ski uphill on alpine skis, the technique naturally gravitates toward Modern because you just cannot slide on one ski on alpine ski and what actually works is falling inside and sliding on edges.
Yes, the pro's use this technique in all situations now. You can lift the foot higher if the snow is deeper but if you try to draw the foot closer to the midline and land on the base you will inevitably get your base of support ahead of your centre of mass and have to haul yourself forward.
It’s seems like the new technique is more dynamic and requires more power. Even your demonstration athlete was ‘hoping’ from ski-to-ski. My technique is definitely old school but I find that when I want to put in more power it transforms to something closer to the new technique. Do you find that athletes can ski slowly in the new technique and still say keep their heart rates down on long sustained climbs?
Hey - a couple of things: First, I used the word "modern", rather than "new" on purpose. The modern technique has been around while and is well established. Second, yes, the demo athlete has a little hop but you can ski smoothly too. The difference is primarily about how the foot lands relative to the centre of mass. The wide stance helps prevent overstepping. There's still lots of room to adjust the technique and let the ski glide out to varying amounts depending on speed of travel, skier's goals etc. I'd encourage you to experiment. My experience is that I'm not as wide as I think I am. Also, the wide stance is necessary to avoid overstepping but it's not sufficient. It's still possible to overstep with a wide stance.
I've been struggling with some health issues recently and found the old style V1 super exhausting. I switched to doing a "granny skate" up most of the hills and found it not only easier, but a little bit faster! Now I'm wondering if the similarities in stance width between granny skate and the new style V1 have anything to do with it.
Granny skate is often even a little narrower than offset, but it's a good start! You can experiment with a wider stance in granny skate and you might find that helpful 🤷♀
@Nordic Ski Lab Thank you for your input! I'll play around with it the next time I'm out. Thankfully (?) there's lots of hills nearby for me to experiment on.
Is it possible that both the old and modern offset existed from day one and that for whatever reason some coaches decided to use one way versus the other. My common sense would tell me that the extremely strong skiers can manage going up very steep hills using the V1 one step technique so for them if they have to use the offset it would make sense to have an extremly wide stance because they use the offest only on very steep hills. The not so strong skiers would use the offest on not as steep hills on which it made sense to place their gliding ski flat on the snow as some free glide was possible,( as part of the weak skiers I am talking about the young childs, grand-mothers, grand fathers and myself) . I am saying that because I did exactly that, I would use V1 to climb any hills I could with that technique and when I used the offset I was told that I was doing it all wrong because I was landing on my ski edges never landing on a flat ski as if I did my skis would stop gliding as a flat ski is a dead ski in as far as propulsion go. Yes a flat ski glide more but it does not propel you, something very important when skiing up a steep hill where unassisted glide is virtually unexistant as going up a steep hill it is very hard to generate anough propulsion to have a free glide. Gravity as such an unfriendly way to remind us that we are all too heavy. :-) :-)
Does the older style still have a use when the trail conditions are soft? Sometimes in soft conditions it feels like my ski sinks in when edged (feels slow), and it seems like the new style would make that worse. Thoughts?
Usually beginners have a wide stance and are slow at the same time. I had a wide stance myself as a beginner. Now I am confused. Was I right as a beginner and did my style degrade ove the next weeks? Why was I much slower with the wide stance?
Most beginners have an in-between stance. Too wide on the flats and too narrow on the climbs. You should practice using your skis at different stance widths.
I try to ski with a wider stance and put the ski on the edge. How to avoid falling knees inward? In your video, the skier did not fall his knee inside, how does he do it?
Would be good to hear some comments for example from the Norwegian or Swedish Nordic ski experts or coaches also. Do they agree or not. Need to focus on this matter when watching next championships from the TV.
@@Infidelio that’s great! If you practice the wider stance V1, even on gentle uphills or flatter terrain it will make it easier on the steeper hills. Try not to overstep in the front to back direction either. Good luck.
@@NordicSkiLab it’s so nice of you to respond and offer this help. I tried the wider stance on some uphills this week, and was amazed at the difference. Before, I was trying to do exactly what you showed as the “old style” and it was mostly exhausting. Thanks again!
Very interesting ! I've always been told that the best gliding position for a ski is when the ski is flat in the snow... I will try this technic as soon as possible ! 🙂
It can be very confusing to newcomers. I am going to be teaching some neighbourhood kids how to skate ski so I have to figure out how to refine everything down to the essentials. When I was coaching and taking courses there were far too many different variations of drills and some rather dubious technique cues. We were taught to step up the hill, but I always rather skeptical about that... isn't it called skating? Why are we hiking?
it is the most natural foot plant and I can't imagine anyone not doing this form right off. the ld style didn't work for most folks = a pretty good indication it was nothing more than a coaches bad idea.
For years the theory was a flat ski is a fast ski and they taught you to get your center of gravity over that ski. They actually taught almost the opposite of this. And the ‘they’ were national team coaches and the like.
It makes sense when you think about the other techniques in skate skiing, where weight shift and glide are really important. Offset is the anomaly- it’s the only one where you’re staying more centred like on hockey skates. The others are more like speed skating, with more weight shift from ski to ski, landing on flat skis. It’s obvious now that this is more efficient for climbing because you don’t get the same benefit of glide when you’re going up a hill, but I guess it was hard to switch from the old way because we love glide in the other techniques!
To say old V1 technique involves landing on a flat ski is not completely the truth. Since the 80's racers would use jump skate V1 for quick accelerations. When jump skating you land on the inside edge, like the 'new' technique. So in a way, the new V1 is a toned-down application of V1 jump skating.
So where do you draw the line with the modern technique where you don't emphasize getting all the way over the ski and a beginners wobble where they are on their edges all the time? Also at higher speeds on level ground I hope your not also advocating starting on your edges with the various other skate techniques. One other thing to be careful of is that just because racers do it does not necessarily mean it is more efficient in terms of energy expenditure. They train at very high levels and can burn the extra energy to never reduce their speed for a split second during glide phase. Modern classic ski racing technique has almost no glide, Often racers would pole the whole course if they were not required now to stride in places. Is that the most efficient or enjoyable for the average Joe? Heck no. I would think a beginner would be better off by learning to get over the ski and then once they have that mastered that then pick then up the tempo and engage the edges sooner with a wider stance.
I do NOT agree. There's a time and place for both techniques. I grew up racing in the 80's, and as I continued to race I found that the wider stance was indeed good for the hills, especially the steeper ones, but the flatter terrain and the slight downward grades were the places you wanted to get as long a glide as you could. That means coming down as flat as you can, lined up toe-knee-nose.
Really doesn't have a foundational understanding of the fundamentals of skiing in order to easily explain it and set up easy to understand videos and drills. Talks way too much.
I found this video very easy to understand and her explanations easy to follow. Her talking doesn't distract, it complements the video as she dissects the two styles. High quality teaching!
It doesn't really matter, it is all the same. Tried both approaches, it depends on a moment, condition of a snow or angle of a slope, especially on roller skis.
That's a great visualization of the differences in those styles. One aspect I notice also is the modern offset looks more dynamic in the sense that there's a smaller overlap of the glide phases of the skis. Over my twenty something years of skating I believe that I need good form to keep the modern offset up and going, cause it feels a bit more demanding then the old style. Or to phrase it in another way. The old style offers the "benefit" to be able to run a lower frequency cause you have that slightly longer gliding phase. That should not mean it's more efficient (because of course you loose momentum in a longer giding phase) but probably more sustainable if your not on top form. How's your view on that?
As a young pro skiier myself I would argue that the modern technique is superior in that aspect too. When cykling you don't gear up and lower you frequency when coming to a uphill, you gear down. The modern technique gives you more breathing room to vary your frequency. It also wastes less energy regardless of speed
In the mid 90's I trained with Antonina and Nikolai Anikin (Russian ski coaches) in Duluth Minnesota. The modern technique you show was exactly what Antonia taught back then. She was obsessed with efficacy of moment. Very nice videos showing the technique.
That’s impressive. You were lucky to have a visionary coach
I first saw this video last ski season (22/23) and it was a mindblow; I had been taught and practiced to place my foot on a flat ski directly underneath my hip in V1 - just as explained in this video, so I over roated my hips/pelvis. It took a a few outings but having the mental picture of Scott using the modern V1 (view following Scott up the hill) really helped me visualize how I should place my feet. I went out for the 1st time this year today and I still had the mental image of Scott's V1 in my head; it helped. So - big thanks to Nordic Ski Lab for teaching and explaining a better V1.
Thank you..I see exactly what your saying and, under certain (perhaps steeper) cicumstances this subtle difference could benefit. However, on less steep uphill grades, or if youve achieved good momentum, skiing (gliding) for that extra subsecond (or so) can provide a chance to enjoy the art of skiing, and help catch your breath. I often use those "old school" microseconds to stretch, relax, and enjoy the surroundings and being alive 😎
Your videos are really great. I am from Norway and nobody is able to explain things in the local YT videos like you can :) Thank you
You may like Per-Øyvind Torvik's videos.
Exactly what I've been trying to figure out lately for myself and the kids I coach, thank you!!!
The old style definitely requires more work! As I've gotten older (or fatter and out of shape), I haven't been able to maintain the old style, and have naturally switched to the new style.
Hey thanks for this, really well explained and concise, visuals were perfect. So easy to see the difference. Keep em coming!
Awesome video. I was struggling to find a more efficient and technical way to climb, now I know!!!
Excellent video.
Now all there is left to do is to fight years of old reflexes, especially when tired, and _practice, practice, practice._
It's hard to change an old brain's habit. Especially, for an old man ! 😏
Thanks! I have always climbed with a wider stance, but assumed it was just poor technique.
Same!
Coaches used to spend hours telling people not to do what is now widely done. I came to the conclusions coaches don't really add a ton of value beyond keeping an athlete from making too many big training and racing tactics mistakes. Well ok, there's the waxing aspect, I guess.
But technique is massively personal. Data analytics tells me the primary goal of technique is NOT to simply try to copy your favourite Norwegian. The goal of ski technique is to optimise YOUR biomechanical configuration in the way that provides maximal speed for minimal energy.
You don't need technique coaching. You need a biotech lab to assess your Wattage vs speed vs sugar consumption for various techniques configurations. Pick the techniques that optimises YOU.
There IS no one way to ski "right".
thanx it works. Old timer doing things the old way could barely climb stalling on weight shift etc. Worked on your method this season and can climb half decently now.
very interesting and informative. Thank you
What a detailed explanation, quality as high as always! Happy being a member and supporting the project
Thanks so much for supporting us!
I learned to skate in the 1980s and carried those habits for 20 years. My kids’ high school coach, who had just finished skiing for a top college program, taught them the wider stance. And I picked up on it. But even now some 15 years later I think I fall back onto old habits and have to concentrate to use more efficient technique. Great video!
Ran out of gas today trying to skate after a few years. Will definitely be trying this better technique in the next few days. Makes great sense after watching the video. Many thanks Kim for showing 😊old vs new!
Thanks so much for this video explanation, Kim!!! I have practiced the V1 today, and almost every day.😊I really enjoy being a member too! Greetings from Oslo, Norway. Best regards, Adrian 😃
So nice! Thank you 😊 👋
Thanks Kim, Well done. The evolution of our sport continues!
Just love your resources! thanks so much and so happy I joined.
Thanks for your support. It's much appreciated!
Very useful, thanks!
Well done and well explained.
Thank you for this video analysis.
This is very interesting as someone who has skate skied for 30 years. I need to give this modern technique a try!
I guess that this is related to the fact that Wassberg is the used almost everywhere today. Offset /V1 is reserved only for very steep stuff now. No pro or even average should use offset on flat. Gliding is key for efficiency and that requires flat ski having body weight over it. This modern offset is totally opposite to that and thus its usage should be also limited to where it's really needed only.
Dang! I love the Watusi and The Twist! This is going to be a tough habit to break. I love my outside edge to flat ski rhythm. I got wicked obliques!
Doing the Charleston on skis not so much.
Thanks for the great news, I use new technique just as more convenient for me, now I see that it was good;)
The CXC V1 video with Bryan Fish covers similar ground but I like the fact that he starts without poles. With beginners I would start without poles.
I'm not sure the analogy is perfect, but to me it feels like the difference between skating on hockey skates vs on long blades. With hockey skates I am making short strides and pushing off the edge right away without much weight transfer. On long blades I am getting on a flat blade and getting my weight over the gliding skate.
I began skate skiing in the '80's & wider stance is all I've ever been able to do. I've never been able to accomplish your "older" version succesfully. Having said that, as I have gotten older, I find the wider version is very taxing on my thighs & this year I've been slowing down my tempo & am making an effort to "get over" my landing ski (your old way). I find it much easier on my body. Just say'in. Also, I've been working on my 1 skate for about 3 yrs now & despite having been told that it is more efficient & studying videos, I find that my heart rate goes up a good 10 beats when I'm using it. I do like the open field skate, which I stumbled upon at least 15 yrs ago while roller skiing & before the 1 skate was widely used in my area of the US.
A couple years ago, at a local race, a local coach came up behind me on a steeper slope. He yelled at me to ski with a wider stance. It stuck with me and was easy to adopt.
Thank you for your work.
That is what I just explained my daughter today, about efficiency and economy of uphill work. Your video helps me to demonstrate the difference between forced and energy efficient approach.
Great work Kim! This is an interesting one - as I find the old style v1 to be a bit more elegant as it seems to employ the whole architectural swing of the body. I can see that the new style would be faster - for sure. Does that also mean that the new style would require less energy overall to cover the same distance - regardless of speed? (Your video editing skills are getting better and better!)
Yes. I think it should require less energy but there might be a period of adjustment before you really experience the payoff.
Which one is the fastest technic to use if you are strong enough to ski offset either way? I am just trying to impress my friends by going fast up-hill one hill and die of exhaustion by a tree at the top of the hill where nobody can see me! 🤪🤪🤪 amazing vidéo Kim! Clear straight to the point!
Wow. I learned to skate ski in the 90s. I always assumed skis that were not flat did not glide well. I do wonder if the new method puts more strain on the knees since you are not over your knee when pushing?
If you go up hill in wet and soft conditions like April May , than If you ski in the edge you get stuck, or at least I do. But If you ski on a flat Ski and use more the uper body, you "surf" uphill. And if there are only a few cm of snow, These edge-skaters destroy the trak to fast. It often makes sense to use the flat ski
As an amateur, you automatically go wider, it feels easier, more natural and usually the body is good at doing what is most efficient. One also tends to cycle at a cadence that is best for one's body (it's trainable but you gravitate to what feels best).
Any tips for a classic skier who never learned to ice skate but now wants to learn skate skiing?
Other skiers aren't going to be too happy with the wider stance taking up more space. So better be quick! lol
Would be so great to come to You to take some lessons! Just to improve my amateur fun skiing!
Это полностью оправдывает начинающих лыжников, которые не делают плоской постановки даже на равнине.
I have had very little experience in skating and is far from advanced in understanding this, but to me it looks like old offset is more complicated requiring mode balance and more precise timing while new is more intuitive. When I ski uphill on alpine skis, the technique naturally gravitates toward Modern because you just cannot slide on one ski on alpine ski and what actually works is falling inside and sliding on edges.
I chose the word "modern" because it's not new. It enjoys wide consensus. I should have stated that more clearly. Your observations are interesting.
By the way, more of Scott Gow's achievements include singing "Oh Canada!" live on Norwegian TV, under some duress.
He IS landing on a flat ski, but only for a brief moment and then he gets onto his inside edge.
Would this work on soft snow? I was always told to focus on the flat ski landing to avoid digging in when conditions are soft.
Yes, the pro's use this technique in all situations now. You can lift the foot higher if the snow is deeper but if you try to draw the foot closer to the midline and land on the base you will inevitably get your base of support ahead of your centre of mass and have to haul yourself forward.
Is there a change in the direction of polling in the new style? What should it be? Apologies if I missed that or it's a whole other topic!
You should pole front to back as much as possible. I did not discuss poling in this video.
Can’t twist that much anymore anyway due to my aging back! That hurts if I ski like that!
It’s seems like the new technique is more dynamic and requires more power. Even your demonstration athlete was ‘hoping’ from ski-to-ski. My technique is definitely old school but I find that when I want to put in more power it transforms to something closer to the new technique. Do you find that athletes can ski slowly in the new technique and still say keep their heart rates down on long sustained climbs?
Hey - a couple of things: First, I used the word "modern", rather than "new" on purpose. The modern technique has been around while and is well established. Second, yes, the demo athlete has a little hop but you can ski smoothly too. The difference is primarily about how the foot lands relative to the centre of mass. The wide stance helps prevent overstepping. There's still lots of room to adjust the technique and let the ski glide out to varying amounts depending on speed of travel, skier's goals etc. I'd encourage you to experiment. My experience is that I'm not as wide as I think I am. Also, the wide stance is necessary to avoid overstepping but it's not sufficient. It's still possible to overstep with a wide stance.
@@NordicSkiLab thanks! I look forward to trying some of this out on my next ski. Not today though currently -30F wind chills
I've been struggling with some health issues recently and found the old style V1 super exhausting. I switched to doing a "granny skate" up most of the hills and found it not only easier, but a little bit faster! Now I'm wondering if the similarities in stance width between granny skate and the new style V1 have anything to do with it.
Granny skate is often even a little narrower than offset, but it's a good start! You can experiment with a wider stance in granny skate and you might find that helpful 🤷♀
@Nordic Ski Lab Thank you for your input! I'll play around with it the next time I'm out. Thankfully (?) there's lots of hills nearby for me to experiment on.
Is it possible that both the old and modern offset existed from day one and that for whatever reason some coaches decided to use one way versus the other. My common sense would tell me that the extremely strong skiers can manage going up very steep hills using the V1 one step technique so for them if they have to use the offset it would make sense to have an extremly wide stance because they use the offest only on very steep hills. The not so strong skiers would use the offest on not as steep hills on which it made sense to place their gliding ski flat on the snow as some free glide was possible,( as part of the weak skiers I am talking about the young childs, grand-mothers, grand fathers and myself) . I am saying that because I did exactly that, I would use V1 to climb any hills I could with that technique and when I used the offset I was told that I was doing it all wrong because I was landing on my ski edges never landing on a flat ski as if I did my skis would stop gliding as a flat ski is a dead ski in as far as propulsion go. Yes a flat ski glide more but it does not propel you, something very important when skiing up a steep hill where unassisted glide is virtually unexistant as going up a steep hill it is very hard to generate anough propulsion to have a free glide. Gravity as such an unfriendly way to remind us that we are all too heavy. :-) :-)
Does the older style still have a use when the trail conditions are soft? Sometimes in soft conditions it feels like my ski sinks in when edged (feels slow), and it seems like the new style would make that worse. Thoughts?
No because the old style always led to over stepping. You can lift the feet higher in deeper snow.
Fast feet drills are needed
Usually beginners have a wide stance and are slow at the same time. I had a wide stance myself as a beginner. Now I am confused. Was I right as a beginner and did my style degrade ove the next weeks? Why was I much slower with the wide stance?
Most beginners have an in-between stance. Too wide on the flats and too narrow on the climbs. You should practice using your skis at different stance widths.
I try to ski with a wider stance and put the ski on the edge. How to avoid falling knees inward? In your video, the skier did not fall his knee inside, how does he do it?
You might need to do some off snow stretches and strengthening exercises. You might find it helpful to consult with someone like a physiotherapist
@@NordicSkiLab My stretch is fine😅Apparently we misunderstood each other. Google translate features...
Would be good to hear some comments for example from the Norwegian or Swedish Nordic ski experts or coaches also. Do they agree or not. Need to focus on this matter when watching next championships from the TV.
I knew that the wider stance permitted a fast recovery and move from one ski to the other faster Geo Yu
This is really also true on the flats? Everything I learned stated that a flat ski glided so much better.
Have you learned One Skate (V2) for skiing on the flats? It’s the one where you pole with every skate push.
@@NordicSkiLab yes I have, and I try to use it more often. I find it best when the conditions are fast and flat.
@@Infidelio that’s great! If you practice the wider stance V1, even on gentle uphills or flatter terrain it will make it easier on the steeper hills. Try not to overstep in the front to back direction either. Good luck.
@@NordicSkiLab it’s so nice of you to respond and offer this help. I tried the wider stance on some uphills this week, and was amazed at the difference. Before, I was trying to do exactly what you showed as the “old style” and it was mostly exhausting. Thanks again!
Very interesting ! I've always been told that the best gliding position for a ski is when the ski is flat in the snow... I will try this technic as soon as possible ! 🙂
A flat ski is definitely your goal for one-skate/v2. I think it would have been better if this was made clear in the video.
@@skipaddle yes, I undertood it like that, but thank you for the confirmation ! 👍
It can be very confusing to newcomers. I am going to be teaching some neighbourhood kids how to skate ski so I have to figure out how to refine everything down to the essentials. When I was coaching and taking courses there were far too many different variations of drills and some rather dubious technique cues. We were taught to step up the hill, but I always rather skeptical about that... isn't it called skating? Why are we hiking?
Finally! New video!
LOL, yeah. Sorry it takes me so long. Most of the videos I make are for NSL subscribers.
@@NordicSkiLab You are doing an amazing job. Thank you for letting these videos out for free. So helpful and informative.
it is the most natural foot plant and I can't imagine anyone not doing this form right off. the ld style didn't work for most folks = a pretty good indication it was nothing more than a coaches bad idea.
For years the theory was a flat ski is a fast ski and they taught you to get your center of gravity over that ski. They actually taught almost the opposite of this. And the ‘they’ were national team coaches and the like.
As a hockey player, I don’t even understand the old style. The modern style is how hockey players have been taught to skate for 40 years.
It makes sense when you think about the other techniques in skate skiing, where weight shift and glide are really important. Offset is the anomaly- it’s the only one where you’re staying more centred like on hockey skates. The others are more like speed skating, with more weight shift from ski to ski, landing on flat skis. It’s obvious now that this is more efficient for climbing because you don’t get the same benefit of glide when you’re going up a hill, but I guess it was hard to switch from the old way because we love glide in the other techniques!
To say old V1 technique involves landing on a flat ski is not completely the truth. Since the 80's racers would use jump skate V1 for quick accelerations. When jump skating you land on the inside edge, like the 'new' technique. So in a way, the new V1 is a toned-down application of V1 jump skating.
Napisy zasłaniają video :/. Nie widać dobrze pracy nóg. Pozdrawiam.
9 минут о том, что в гору нужно ехать на полусогнутых ногах не распрямляя их при толчке
So where do you draw the line with the modern technique where you don't emphasize getting all the way over the ski and a beginners wobble where they are on their edges all the time? Also at higher speeds on level ground I hope your not also advocating starting on your edges with the various other skate techniques. One other thing to be careful of is that just because racers do it does not necessarily mean it is more efficient in terms of energy expenditure. They train at very high levels and can burn the extra energy to never reduce their speed for a split second during glide phase. Modern classic ski racing technique has almost no glide, Often racers would pole the whole course if they were not required now to stride in places. Is that the most efficient or enjoyable for the average Joe? Heck no. I would think a beginner would be better off by learning to get over the ski and then once they have that mastered that then pick then up the tempo and engage the edges sooner with a wider stance.
I do NOT agree. There's a time and place for both techniques. I grew up racing in the 80's, and as I continued to race I found that the wider stance was indeed good for the hills, especially the steeper ones, but the flatter terrain and the slight downward grades were the places you wanted to get as long a glide as you could. That means coming down as flat as you can, lined up toe-knee-nose.
Центры масс и смещение теперь не важны?!
I have quit taking lessons, they all have different info
Материал огонь 🔥, но ничего не понятно!!! Переведите же кто нибудь!
В субтитрах нужно поставить автоперевод на русский и тогда всё будет понятно.
Жаль нет титров на русском языке, если правильно поняла, то на подьеме нужно более широко вести лыжи, если просто,то меньше трачу силы.
De ä bara å åk
Ролик то можно было и подольше сделать
Really doesn't have a foundational understanding of the fundamentals of skiing in order to easily explain it and set up easy to understand videos and drills. Talks way too much.
I found this video very easy to understand and her explanations easy to follow. Her talking doesn't distract, it complements the video as she dissects the two styles. High quality teaching!
It doesn't really matter, it is all the same. Tried both approaches, it depends on a moment, condition of a snow or angle of a slope, especially on roller skis.
That's a great visualization of the differences in those styles. One aspect I notice also is the modern offset looks more dynamic in the sense that there's a smaller overlap of the glide phases of the skis. Over my twenty something years of skating I believe that I need good form to keep the modern offset up and going, cause it feels a bit more demanding then the old style. Or to phrase it in another way. The old style offers the "benefit" to be able to run a lower frequency cause you have that slightly longer gliding phase. That should not mean it's more efficient (because of course you loose momentum in a longer giding phase) but probably more sustainable if your not on top form. How's your view on that?
As a young pro skiier myself I would argue that the modern technique is superior in that aspect too. When cykling you don't gear up and lower you frequency when coming to a uphill, you gear down. The modern technique gives you more breathing room to vary your frequency. It also wastes less energy regardless of speed
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