FAKE OR FORTUNE 9X01: HENRY MOORE
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Fiona Bruce and Philip Mould head to the beautiful Norfolk countryside on the trail of one of the 20th century’s greatest artists, Henry Moore. They are investigating an intriguing sculpture that belongs to retired dairy farmer Neil Betts and his wife Barbara, who, over the years, have used the piece as a doorstop and even a water feature, when Neil draped a hosepipe over it. t was only when a friend suggested it looked very much like the work of Henry Moore that the Betts began to see it in a different light - and started to call it Henry.
Neil and Barbara inherited the sculpture from their former neighbour, Mrs Williams, who at that time lived next door to them at Mergate Hall near Norwich. The sculpture had been found in the long grass of the grounds of the hall when Neil had struck it with his strimmer while helping the Williams family clear the garden. When Mrs Williams died, she left it to the Betts along with all of her possessions.
Things got off to a promising start when Neil and Barbara sent photographs of the sculpture to the Henry Moore Foundation in Perry Green, Hertfordshire. The foundation has the authority to decide whether previously uncatalogued pieces are genuine works by Moore, and they were interested enough in the Betts’ piece to ask them to submit it to their review panel. But first the Fake or Fortune? team are helping the Betts research this distinctive piece and compile a dossier of evidence.
There’s a huge amount at stake. If this is a unique piece by Henry Moore, it could be worth up to £1 million. But if it’s not, then it’s probably worth just a few thousands. The stakes have never been so high for the team.
It's a bit silly in the end, it's not a Henry Moore which all of a sudden makes it worthless again in their eyes and the first thing the lady says is "He will go back to being a doorstop again".. While if they would have said it was a Henry Moore they'd all be in awe by it...
yeah, it’s a bit disrespectful towards the sculptrice…
@@junyima5574, yes I agree. It is an interesting sculpture in its own right. Too good to be a doorstop.
The Kings clothes
That upset me that is goes back to being a doorstop again. They should have gifted it to the son.
How humourless and dull witted people are : the poor owner was being brave and her seeming flippancy was bravery not silliness. What a ghastly earnest age we live in
This program has highlighted the immense skills of Betty Jewson. The value of her works is soaring.
That is wonderful!! Women sculptors need to be acknowledged.
Said like a lesbian. Slow clap
I believe it was work of Betty and she needs a recognition. Imagine a woman can equally produced a work of art by a renowned male artists. She's phenomenal.
Too right! Absolutely! And as Andrea said a comment down, the 'feet' made me suspect from the get go - don't know why that wasn't made more of an issue).
@@justinwhite6787 Exactly, the angle of the ‘feet’ on Betty’s smaller works was so similar right down to the angles. I really liked her work and feel it should be reclaimed from obscurity hole it has fallen into.
You are right. At the end when they felt so disappointed by the fact that isn't Henry Moore, I felt a bit angry...I thought - but it is from Betty!! She is also a great Artist!!
AGREED!
At 10:58 you witness a woman missing an opportunity to really do what art should be all about. But nope she’s all about the money. Being a former newscaster is a clue as to her awareness to such things I guess.
How strange is the art world? The esteem and value placed upon a work depends entirely on who made it and has little to do with the actual aesthetics of the piece itself.
Exactly. I think that piece is wonderful.Every time I saw it I saw something new. After seeing her other work,I think it is a Hippo! A play on her love of horses maybe.And what makes that lady's work lesser than some bloke's who managed to know the right people? I would definitely hang on to it, and Not use it as a doorstop,because there may come a time when her work is recognised and fashionable in its own right.
To me the Art World, along with the Wine and Fashion mob are just privileged plonkers trying to justify their otherwise rather useless existence. The fact that they latch on to a Name ,to the exclusion of everything else, would indicate that they really don't have a clue.
The more I muse on it the more it is clear it is a Hippo! Remember the fat legs that they didn't understand? It ia a hippo yawning,or whatever it is they do. If this couple don't want it, ,I will give it a home.Henry the Hippo! I Love it.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 That’s capitalism for you. Art dealers and others pick up artworks from a budding artist for a pittance, then proclaim him/her an undiscovered genius. Moneys in the bank.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 You're quite right you know and this kind of snobishness can be found in all aspects of live. A few years ago a very famous and wonderful Italian flute player tried to prove this by camouflaging himself and going onto a street corner to play his flute to the passers-by. Result? People who would have paid an enormous sum of money to hear him play at a concert just ignored him. His beautiful music went unrecognized because he wasn't recognized. Crazy!!
The art world and art are two very different things. Once the artist is out of the way permanently then the art world does what it wants and can write artists in and out of history. But really enjoyment of the work is in the eye and not the wallet.
If anything, the uglier and less identifiable a modern "artwork" might be, the more it is worth.
It's a Hippo! It is obvious,when you see the rest of the lady's work.I love the way they drool all over it when the think it is Moore,then dismiss it as a door stop when it isn't! It is the Same piece of art! Nothing changed except the name they attached to it.Just shows what a load of Fakery and Pretension the 'Art World' is.
They've used it as a door stop at the beginning, so that's how much they consider it's worth.
Humans are prone to imbue stuff with all sorts of meaning and value based on things like wealth or belief that creates a 'belonging group', it's a strange world.
The collection of Betty’s sculptures presented by her son were really impressive… very playful, whimsical, yet strong and abstract. I think she was incredibly talented. It’s a shame the couple who had “Henry” don’t value having an original work from her. Yes, I know, the thought of all that money disappearing before your eyes must have gutted them, but it’s still the same sculpture that evoked so much interest as to be considered by the Moore Foundation! Well done Betty!
I really hope, they gave pictures of all the collected works by Betty to that women's art library and helped to document Betty's work better.
I met Henry Moore in 1982 and ended up as his studio cleaner.Much Hadham studio and his home. HES A KING NOW.
Do you have any interesting anecdotes?
@@GrahamCLester He was headmasterly like a woodwork teacher. NOT angry ever.He had slipped a bit in the art world.Not a god like now.Now he's realized for his quality as a legendary creator of huge magnitude.There was a black lad called Gareth and he liked his face structure very angular and noble.Gareth waved goodbye expecting not much and got the biggest wave and smile from Henry.They both laughed.He had several yellow rovers he used to zip about in because the workshops were spaced around.Fair guy now a god and deserves everything.Millions of tiny maquettes in open boxes made of plaster.Tiny laying figures.thousands.Plus a huge elephant skull mounted for reference.
@@99thehighstreet69 Thanks!!!
Always amazes me how people value art. It’s all subjective. I wouldn’t pay 5.00 dollars for it. People project so much into these types of work.
I wonder how much is aluminium per kilo as scrap metal. Jokes aside, it definitely should cost as much as smb likes it esthetically, not as much as it's provenance. To you and I it costs zero, we won't pay a penny. But people would buy it because it somehow should cost more even if they don't actually like it. And, frankly, MAYBE nobody truly likes it, they only justify them purchasing it (and art only grows in value, unlike most other goods like phones and potatoes).
I may be saying that bc I can't afford Art. I don't want to play that game even if I could.
This -to me - transcends the question if something speaks to you rather than if it was produced by Henry more….
Hallelujah! An episode I’ve never seen before. Thanks so much for uploading it and keep them coming. Thanks
I think they are very fortunate to have such a great piece regardless of the creator. In my opinion, there is the collector's value and the value the owner places on it. I think the owner's opinion of the value is the more pertinent.
Thank you so much for posting this. I became a fan of this show after watching a few episodes that were shown on Netflix for a short time two years ago. Since then I've looked online and watched every other available episode. Being in the U.S. I don't have any other access to seeing it. So glad to see there's a new series (or season, as we would say).
I'll keep uploading them, thankfully they've not used music in this episode that is copyrighted
Huge thank you from a Poland based fan who also watched every episode available online. Please keep posting the next episodes 🙏🙏
@@Mrmorusek next episode airs tomorrow and will upload ASAP
@@mightwenotbehappy Thank you
The sculpture is still fantastic! And extremely relevant in current contemporary art affairs. Love it!
This episode clearly shows how vacuous and superficial the art world is - the bottom line is - it's mostly about money.
I'll go further and venture to say not mostly about money....it's entirely about money. Art is a finicky bedfellows
Very, very true ! The worst part is that those who sit in judgement are usually talent less failures at being artists themselves who went to art school, read a lot of books, and perhaps wrote a few, and then set themselves up as an "expert" to judge whether a piece of art is by some dead artist or not. Nobody but a successful artist who has struggled and made money from their art should be allowed to make such determinations. The rest of these presumptuous hacks deserve to have their eyes gouged out with a sharpened spoon.
My kid thought it looked like a funny penguin from the side.
So cool looking inside Moore's workshop. Wish they could have spent more time in it.
Here in Montreal, we have a Henry Moore sculpture in the central part of the city where everyone can see it and enjoy its shape and dimensions. It sits outside and endures our cold winter (-25C) and hot summers (+30C), giving us hope for the next season. 🇨🇦🇨🇦 It’s called “Henry Moore's Three Piece Reclining Figure No 1”. Circa 1962.
So happy to see new episodes of FF... absolutely love this show.
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Pure heaven! I am a fan and had not seen this episode. Thank you so much. More please, or Moore please!
Regardless if it is not Moore's work it is still a brilliant piece. Stunning. They can always donate it to me if they want to treat it as a door stopper.
Henry Moores Studio was, what fascinated me incredibly. and yes, exactly as says Philip Mould : "....as if they are changing in to art as you look at them". To see the drawings next to the sculptures conceived sometimes even 30 Years before. A true Delight to watch!
Now, what about the ownership of this statue? The Aluminium Aloyd, said to be 'Used by...' , an artist himself, rarely 'Uses' those Materials, unless 'He, is does the casting 'Himself'! Loved this episode!!
The artists of the last hundred or so years became experts as quite talentless craftsmen, convincing people their short comings were in fact strokes of genius with the flick of the brush or knife and a mouthful of spin.
I was corresponding with Henry Moore and later donated it to the Henry Moore Center at the Art Gallery of Ontario, Canada, which owns the world's largest collection of Henry Moore's work in all mediums.
This is a great sculpture, they should be proud of it. I think she stuck her foot in her mouth trying to be cute when saying it would go back to being a doorstop. Something tells me after this experience they will either display it respectfully at their home as a work by Jewson, try to modestly sell it as such, or maybe even return it to the Jewson family.
Yes it is extremely derivative of Henry Moore, but that is because of the times in which it was created. That’s like saying all the top pop rock songs on the Billboard 100 in 1964 were either the Beatles or sounded like the Beatles.
Hey, some of those knock-offs are catchy tunes!
That's a good way to look at it
Thank you for uploading this , I`ve been waiting for more episodes of fake or fortune
Me too
"He'll go back to being a doorstop." Poor Betty...her life's work comes down to this just because she didn't have the opportunities. Ugh.
I know, she is just as good as Moore, but her work isn't appreciated. It's a very sad commentary on the art world.
The tour of Moore"s studio with all the found, embellished and created objects was revealing. I never really understood him, but have great respect now.
Congratulations Guys another great investigative program loved every minute Thank you Philip and Fiona 💥💥
yes, one i haven't since before. thank you
New series started on Wednesday BBC1
Thank you so much for uploading this treasure. I am flabbergasted and want to watch this slowly, savouring every minute of it.
You are a hero.
Thank you so much for uploading this, I am in Canada, and I knew they were going ahead with this, and I thought, yeah I'll only be able to see this in a few years time. This is terrific!
There was a show in Burnaby 1972/73 . It was at SFU on the hill and smaller pieces at the Burnaby Art Museum. I went as a field trip withe my grade 12 Art class. His drawings were amazing, draft manship
Thank you so much for uploading this ist episode .missed it on TV last week.much appreciated
I'm no modernist, but in conjunction with her other works, I think it presents Betty Jewson in a very much enhanced light, as a dedicated and competent artist with a defined vision which is surviving her quite well. Brava Betty!!
If you take the last few frames, turn that sculpture counter clock wise to the owners, it looks to me to be a tiger/cat. Such an enjoyable program, and I agree it is not worthless at all! Thank you for sharing :)
"Henry" is very cute..
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thank you! I’m so glad it’s still running as I love this show and I’m also in the States so it is hard to find!
Thank you for posting this. I too have watched all that is available here in the U.S., and would like to see more.
Thanks again.
So it's impossible to put a value on such a piece only by its artistic merit. If it's by The Author it's a treasure, if it's anonymous, it's a doorstopper. I mean, wow, modern art is such a farce.
Discovered in a sculptor's garden...I thought the maker should be obvious.
Thank you for posting! Love this show.
Thank you so much for posting this episode!
Thanks so much for uploading -- only way to see these in the US ❤️
That was a very insulting reaction from the couple -- relegating it back to being a doorstop and continuing to call it "Henry." 🙄It's a wonderful piece of sculpture by Betty Jewson ffs omg!! Wish they gave it back to Mrs. Jewson's son instead. That couple was only in it for the money of it being a possible Henry Moore, no genuine sense of artistic appreciation whatsoever. I'm glad they went home disappointed.
It was a mild affectionate rueful joke. They went on the money ride because if you were told some quirky junk you had could be worth many thousands, you would do the same thing. Even though it didn't pan out, they obviously felt that "Henry" was part of the family, even so. And as for "artistic appreciation", not everyone who likes art likes Moore. Just read some of Jonathan Jones' diatribes sometime.
I marvel, it is the same sculpture regardless of who made it. Someone needs to promote Betty's work.
I believe there might have been a cement version to create the sand casting for this piece, but that may mean Betty had help from one of those assistants to moore, afterall this is much larger then any of her other pieces. It would definitely require a huge furnace and crucible to pour this in one go.
Actually the third largest foot was probably the pouring zone, it might not even been intended as a part of the sculpture. An any rate it might not be finished.
This episode felt to be longer then usual. It was still quite fun to watch, as I do have some sculptures in my collection.
Thanks again, Mightwenotbehappy!~
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By the end I was hoping it would be an unknown work by . . . Becky Jewson. What a delightful life she had!
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Please remember that all these overlapping artists influenced each other -intentionally and unintentionally. In my art classes I’d do a piece and then 3 projects later another student would have riffed off of what I did. Was my own piece uninfluenced by others? Of course not - I also picked up lines and forms from the art world and from the universe. Everything goes into the old noggin and comes out fresh. I had a friend who admitted to me he never had an original thought bit knew what he liked from others so would make his own version and he didn’t think he was very good but some of his pieces were striking because he’d capture some proportion or essence from the piece he “copied”. But his copy didn’t look like the original ever… 🤷🏻♀️
cant argue with the -expert panel-. if they say no it is no. if they say yes it is a yes.
wonder though if that sculpture would have been cleaned up, without that limestone, and if it would have been nice and shiny, would THAT have made a difference?
Pure Class....
Lol! All about the money! Betty's sculpture is a fascinating piece except it should now be returned to her son.
It was left to the current owners by the artist herself.
*ELATED! Thank you, mightwenotbehappy! I'll have to email Philip and let him know how excited I am; yet not mention as to "where" I viewed the episode... ;) He should be waking up soon, as it is 6:25am UK time!*
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But now it's probably worth a fortune, because it has been the subject of this fascinating TV-programme 😉
I'm in Canada and I've watched every episode of Fake or Fortune that I can find online. I've subscribed to your channel & look forward to more downloads of this excellent series as they become available. Many thanks 🙏(also Great British Sewing/Bakeoff, Portrait/Landscape Artist or any Archaeology/History would be greatly appreciated as well) cheers!
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I'll give you 1k pounds! It is a gorgeous piece. I actually like it more than the Moores.
A wonderful discovery.
Well....it's certainly hideously misshapen like a Henry Moore sculpture.
it has a similar finish to the aluminium barriers used on sides of the roads in Australia exposed to the elements
Why are people so focused on names? If they really valued the artwork, value it on its own merits.
The thing is that the name - once you get past a certain level - informs the value of the work. I think both it and Moore's works are ugly as hell (yes, very skillfull blah blah, still ugly), but because of the nature of art investment, you know one is going to be worth 100s of K, and the other won't. And even if you have a strong affection for your door stop or garden ornament, you will perceive it differently if you know its worth. If it's the funny ugly ornament you've been keeping around because it's just distinctive enough to be a quirky part of your decor, maybe it's not such a wrench to sell it off for a large sum. It wouldn't be for me, in that position. So it's not so much the name as the price that's the main thing here. Also, if you knew something was worth a huge sum, would you leave it out in the back garden for anyone to steal? That in itself is worth ascertaining.
As an Euro ex-pat in the states here, I never appreciated the Henry Moore that stands high in front of the city library where i used to live.
We called it the" Pelvis. " or the Prehistoric Thrust.
Good days.
You can see it in the first images they show early in the video.
So these guys have never heard of measuring the density? Dirt cheap and would have shown that it was the density of aluminum (after the xrays showing it wasn't hollow. Or a sonogram would show that it was solid.) Density: (1) immerse in water to figure out the volume of the piece. (2) weight it. (3) divide weight by volume. Al=2.7g/cm^3 . Bronze=8.7g/cm^3. As soon as they xray'd it they should have realized it was too light for anything but Aluminum. Surface XRF does poorly with light elements but their readings looked really bad - probably measuring dirt. Maybe give it a rinse first?
Also it would have been useful to figure out the type of Aluminum alloy used as there are hundreds of standard types. There is a lot of silicon. Silicon is often added for casting but this is a huge amount.
Eutectic siluminium is around 14%, and when casting eutectic alloys are preferred. What's more interesting is the patina - since the sculpture was misidentified as masonry back in 1978, its probably original. But lets get real, it was found in the back yard of a sculpter, what are the odds that it was made by someone else?
I suspect there's a tiny bit of theatre and product placement with some of these diagnostics. But the thing did sound like bronze when tapped. But as soon as they discovered the thing was solid vs its weight, it would have been patently obvious it wasn't bronze. But bring out the nerd with his electron microscope to show off the tech anyway. I'm not meaning this in a disparaging way - that step was probably unnecessary, but still interesting. And perhaps they want to be sure there's no ambiguity when submitting findings to the review committee.
I see poetic justice for Betty J.
Once there was a Moore sculpture in downtown Seattle accross from the main library - we called it elephant balls. Kindda miss it.
Who cares who made this sculpture. It alone speaks beauty.
It has readings of silicon, iron and copper, as if the crucible was from a glass blowing studio
Most intriguing - I must say I was a bit dubious, but nothing I could put my finger on - that’s how it goes - lovely piece though and well worth the exhaustive research.
Really looking forward to the upcoming new episodes.
Thaaaaaaaanks!!!!!! A LOT!!!
For all its worth, I think yes not everybody can be famous no matter their talent. I think in the future, small will become big. People will start to appreciate artists that are out of touch with the average buyer.
It's a good sculpture, even tho I'm not a big fan of abstract. It needs to be more than a doorstop. I hope the son buys it off them. Jewson needs to be recognised as a great artist.
They scraped the bottom of the barrel a bit in this episode. (spoiler) How likely is it that Henry Moore would have carted around a heavy lunk of sculpture and give it away to someone he hardly knows.
Why not? It would have been his to do what he liked with if he had been the maker. He wasn’t, but the same goes for any maker, they do what they want with what they produce.
@@lindyashford7744 As a fellow Yorkshireman, no way would a Yorkshireman give anything of value away.
YES ITS BACK!!!
I think it was 'the feet' that was the giveaway to it NOT being a Henry Moore. Especially the larger foot under the main body of the sculpture. While practical, it is incongruent with Moore's aesthetic.
I know! That stuck out right away to me - and it's no tragedy, it's still a really lovely piece and how lovely to spotlight a Woman artist whose work needs more attention!
@@justinwhite6787 Yes! Think of all the Artists we've never heard of! It would really be something if they began coming to light and Art had a resurgence. (I'm tired of electronics being 'the thing').
And the fact it wasn't hollow, would have weighed a ton in bronze.
@@Songbirdstress Well spotted!
These people are aiding and abetting the nonsensical valuation of artworks. If it’s good,it’s good. Irrespective of the name of the artist. Show me a rubbish (named artist)painting and it’s still rubbish. Not worth millions. Panders to snobbishness and a cartel of pompous dealers and collectors only in it for the money.
Like that junk artist and well marketed graffiti joke Banksy
better than a door stop perhaps.
If that’s a masterpiece, then I’m Michael Fricking Angelo.
Edit: And no! I do not care if it is genuine or not.
Like the gouache painting in a previous episode - I won't say who by in case you've not watched it yet - why on earth did they waste all their time and effort on something that didn't look right for one single second. Philip must have been persuaded to fake his positive reaction to provide the necesary anticipation.
Very interesting that a statue made of a material consisting mainly of aluminium can look like to be made of brass or bronze (which both consist mainly of copper)...
Over acting, exaggeration and waffle..
What about Barbara Hepworth ? She was influential on Moore and her work deserves recognition and value egual to that of Moore's.
Tbh her work is now selling for very large sums of money one of her works recently sold for $7,110,000
She gets plenty of recognition, I feel, especially in the UK. Of course, in her lifetime, her works weren't so spread around the world as Moore's, so perhaps that's why her name doesn't get as much instant recognition. I feel like Moore had more of a "factory" operation - not to disparage the individual skill that went into the works as such (neither artist is my cup of tea), but he did go in for series of works that only had mild variations in his later years.
@@Trixtah I agree. Moore's late works lack the special something of the works he was doing in the 1950s and 1960s. I think his head was probably in a much more interesting place in the earlier years.
I would like Betty Jewson's work to be moved indoors, especially the pieces found in the garden at her house. Why subject it to weathering?
In addition, I agree with other comments that this exposes the silliness of high art prices...no matter who created it.
How didn't they tell it was aluminium when they held it ? It must have been pretty light.
It was a solid casting they expected it to be hallow inside before the x ray so the weight would have made sense for a hallow bronze sculpture which would be similar in weight to a solid Aluminum one.
The "feet" and the forming of the outside gave it away for me early. Its not a Moor but lovely documentation
I enjoyed the investigation, but really, shouldn't the physical evidence have come first and foremost? Just take the sample, determine the material, and -- end of story. Which is, I guess, why it wasn't done this way!
You're right, they do need to make a documentary that doesn't end in 30 minutes. So they did drag out some of the investigations in a slightly showy way, but I also feel like they're honest in the end, and the quality of the evidence - good and bad - that they present to the authenticators is kosher.
I love all kinds of Art, but I will say that big sculpture by Moore just looks like A wasted space I do not find that I am A Fan of these sculptures!
I see a ferocious hippo rawring and nashing it’s teeth. Immediately that’s all I could see. I really like it!
I found the couple disingenuous when they said they didn't expect to receive the inheritance from the old lady at all.
Never was going to be a Moore, padding out a full hour for a bit of old tut.
It's going to go back to being a doorstop, and they're so disappointed. Why don't they give it back to her family. They appreciated her art.
There are no losers here. They've got a nice object of art totally for free.
I love how, in this series, the owners who admit it's about the money are vanishingly rare. Sure. You bet.
Some Brit has to help us out here! What is the streamer thing she keeps referring to? A stream of water from a garden hose? A ribbon on a stick? A person that provides podcasts?
I think it is what in New Zealand we call a "weed eater". It's a machine with plastic line that spins around, cutting down grass and such
I am amazed that this Brit scarf wearing bizniz is only seen on the hosts.
[Edit] - oh, and I now have a crush on Rupert.
In medicine we put a case in context with its prevalence in the community. Likewise, in wisdom and statistics I would think that a piece found in the garden of a sculptor of an abstract style would be by that sculptor until strongly proven otherwise.
I am surprised how they could look at Betty's art and not see more similarities to "Henry," the sculpture in question.
Stopped watching once I saw Betty's sculptures. Clutching at straws from that point on
Thank you so much for posting, as many others here I’ve watched what is online but I’m unable to see the rest of the episodes as it is impossible to purchase them or stream in France
@Real Aiglon very clever comment, you should work in politics, saying things without saying things seems to be natural for you.
I know nothing about art, but looking at just a couple of Moores sculpture's I could tell in an instant that it wasn't by Moore.
Grunch: doesn't look like a Moore to me and I know very little about art