A high percentage of viewers of recent Flight Channel uploads have been registering complaints about the negative change in the channel's quality (re-uploads). My theory is that the original producer of Flight Channel videos gave or sold the channel (with its million and a half subscribers) to someone else who is now recycling the channel's content and will keep doing so until the channel withers away.
@@SwapBlogRU Nah, channels like @DisasterBreakdown cover older, lesser known accidents plus newer ones but researches them well. This channel also used to be very concise with details but there's definitely been a slip in quality.
I remember commenting on this vid when it was uploaded 2 years ago, how time flies. I remember paying my respects to these pilots and all the passengers that lost their lives in this crash…
My flight instructor told me you can use a half empty bottle of water to replace the ADI in an emergency. The original ADI was a half a bottle of wine during WW1.
I was just going to comment (as I have done before on other videos) - why can't a simple bubble level be installed in the console? A foolproof backup that works without any power to indicate level flight.
Because that's not true at all. An attitude indicator is a gyroscope. It's fixed in space. A half empty water bottle only cares about where the g loading is. You can pour water upside down in an airplane if you do it right. Look up Bob Hoover.
Unfortunately your flight instructor was hugely and dangerously misinformed. Light aircraft pilots regularly die from flying into cloud or bad weather and then believing that their head (and bottom) is telling them which way is up and which down - quite incorrectly. One's internal sensing equipment (in your middle ear) just reacts to g force so in a turn one believes that "down" is in the direction away from the focus of the turn...and a spiral dive then ensues if a pilot follows such incorrect sense of what he or she thinks is level flight. One needs a gyroscope-driven attitude indicator in the plane that one can believe in, and then fly according to what it show, and not what your head is telling you. (I'm a pilot)
I can’t begin to imagine the fear, screaming, and chaos on board of that plane from all passengers knowing they were going to crash and die. That must be the most horrific feeling to experience knowing that they couldn’t do anything to avoid an imminent death. No one wants to experience this moment ever in life. You are in the air ……so, there is no chance of avoiding the crash and dying! At least on a train, you can get out safely (sometimes) because you are on land, but in the air??? It is horrible. And those families or friends who were waiting for these passengers to land safely, to have to tell them that the plane they were waiting for crashed, must be absolutely devastating for them; surely, the emotions running high being everyone in shock. May all the passengers, pilots, crewmen, Rest in Peace always 🙏💐
Perhaps it happen so quickly, passengers perhaps unable to comprehend what was really happening at that moment, hopefully so. I'm looking at decompression of the cabin, since the craft was breaking up as it was falling from the attitude they were at. Cannot imagine what the passengers were experiencing.
@@mariposamoreno tysm, can't imagine what the passengers were going through at that moment. Hopefully they were experiencing a level of hypoxia, or perhaps in a unconscious state. Its so hard to make that determination as they were experiencing decompression aircraft was breaking up as they plummeting to the ground.
@@mariposamoreno this was the lauda aircraft, unfortunately the thrust reverser did imploy during, the crew was not able to rectify that situation. Read that the owner of the craft niki lauda did indeed visit the site. He voiced his concerns to the manufacturer on the malfunction of the thrust reverser, during flight.
One of the most appalling aspects of the Lauda crash is that local villagers and even volunteer 'rescue teams' looted the wreckage taking personal belongings of the passengers. Also, the Bangkok hospital to which bodies were taken lacked sufficient refrigeration causing bodies to decompose. Twenty seven passengers were never identified. Altogether an horrific tragedy, even post accident.
Yeah but it was a Boeing error that killed all the passengers and crew. If this is what happens when the reverse thrust is applied how is it that it was applied? ERROR!!!
@@waltbroedner4754What are you babbling about? We all know this was a problem. Has nothing to do what happened to the victims after they were already dead.
Is there any reason for the re-uploads? The Lauda accident was first uploaded in Jan 2021 and the Copa accident in Oct 2022. I also didn't notice any changes or edits compared to the original uploads.
Despite this supposedly being a reupload, I'll stick around and wait for something new. It's not that much of a burden to see reuploads pop up that you can skip. The quality and depth is worth waiting for. The person or people who run this channel really found their niche. I envy them. I gotta find mine, too.
Before you're dead, you'll experience your worst nightmare. this is scary to die like this with the greatest fear. that you experience everything consciously
Thanks for a nice video. First incident: It's great that Boeing redesigned the thrust-reverser system to avoid incidents like this from occurring again. The crew really had only one option: to recognize the warning as DANGER and to immediately shut down the left engine, A 767 can fly very well on one engine. The crew could then have declared an emergency and returned to the airport. While Lauda Air could have, in theory, completed the flight on one engine, I would have been against doing so, Second incident: It is appalling that this crew would not know to switch gyros to see if that corrects the problem. Obviously, flying in IFR conditions (night or bad weather) means you have to trust your instruments, but it also means you have to understand how those instruments work and the backups you have. Additionally, does the 737-200 have a Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI), which in some airplanes is a backup to the ADI?
I thought I had heard on some of these videos that airliners had attitude indicators on each side, one in front of the left seat and one in front of the right seat and then a back-up in the middle, all on different "circuits", or something of that nature. And that the first step you would take when thinking the one in front of you might not be functioning correctly, would be to cross check with the other ones. I know I have seen other vids where this issue was not handled correctly and the plane crashed.
You can be at an extreme bank angle and if the turn is coordinated, it will feel like you are flying straight and level. This is why as an instrument pilot you are taught to ignore everything you body is feeling and trust your instruments. Sadly in this case, instruments were not set up correctly.
early and yet I can already predict this will be an informative video, I already knew this crash as a result of the thrust reversers deploying mid-air as I recall, locals had stolen scrap and luggage from people that had died in the crash site, RIP to all.
I’ve always been a big Formula 1 fan, and an even bigger fan of Niki Lauda. When I learned of this crash my respect for the man went sky high. Most wealthy folks who ‘diversify’ by owning something like an airline in those days, their involvement basically ended with the funding & their name on the jet. Lauda’s did not. When the jet crashed, he dropped everything else in his life and became incredibly determined to find out what went wrong. Determined to give the families the truest answer he possibly could as to why their loved ones were lost. And when was certain that he could… he took on Boeing to prove what had caused the thrust reverser to activate. It became legendary & also the metric that gave us the measure of the man. Rest well, Niki Lauda. We should all hold you as an example.
I've just read the final report on lauda flight 004, during the spiral they were experiencing g forces of 1g. At that time the craft was breaking up, loss of stabilizer. The crew was unable even prior to the dive, unfortunately a unrecoverable Incident.
Please take the comments seriously. I don’t mean to cause any pressure on you. I know that I told y’all not to beg him to make new episodes, but I just wanna make sure he notices us. His channel is great, but the channel quality has been decreasing.
@@floobs That's a strange question. The Flight Channel used to post excellent well researched videos. It now churns our recycled content headlined by clickbait thumbnails. How long have you been watching it?
I know. Some pilots seem to be over-reliant on modern technology to save them from disaster. "Nothing bad could happen - it's a new plane." Duh! All they had to do was take the warning seriously, shut down the number 1 engine, and return safely to the airport.
@@timonsolus Exactly, I could not have put it better. Shut down number 1, no checklist needed. Maintain high thrust on number 2, but NOT TOGA, where the oil temperature could rise and during level flight the rotor could over rev, causing the fan blade to break up. Stabilise the aircraft, ignoring a slight drop in altitude. Then relax, have a cup of coffee, before planning a rout to the nearest airport, while the pilot monitoring checks the instruments every 30 seconds. PS. I was not joking about the coffee. Time was on their side, so the important thing was getting their thoughts back into gear, before planning everything without oversights or mistakes.
My question is, why were both ADI's on one VG in the first place in the last incident? If they had been in the normal operational position, it would have told the pilots what the issue were and given them a fighting chance.
Worst fear is for the plane to break up mid air. I don’t suffer from aviophobia but just fear that someone may still go wrong in the worst possible situation
@@tracycolvin7789 I don’t know either I saw it popping up on my recommended. She seemed to be pretty new to flying but she crashed a helicopter and perished with her father
I have been a subscriber for a long time and will always be a subscriber. I know that there are not a lot of crashes out there to cover which is why you're re-uplpading these. However, I have a few flights that I suggest you should cover: Air Philippines flight 541 Korean Air flight 631 JAL 123 (not sure if you've covered this one) JAL 516 Philippine Air Force C-130 crash These are crashes or incidents that you have never covered before. I highly suggest you make a video for each of them so we can have something new.
The backup artificial horizon was clearly working. Didn't anyone bother to look at it? Sometimes people become so dependent on computers and electronics they forget how to think for themselves.
It was working, but their eyes were focused on the malfunctioning ADI instead of the backup, and with no visible horizon, they cant tell whether the plane is banking too much or leveled. And because they were trained in a different plane, they believed flipping the switch to the left mostly puts the ADI to the backup gyro, but in Copa 201, it flipped to the bad gyro instead
As I read in other comment, there are quite a few lesser known incidents/accidents to cover. Disaster Breakdown and Mini Air Crash Investigation have plenty of them.
Warning says engine has potential to suddenly reverse, sending your jet into a death spiral, but hey, let's just leave the engine running, and ignore it. My ass would have puckered, I would have shut it down, and headed back to port. No darwin award for me. :) The fact that this is even possible in flight is utterly mind-boggling. Well done, boeing.
I don't think it was realized at the time how much more vulnerable modern designs like the 767 (with one big high-bypass engine under each wing, with reversed air exiting roughly at the wing leading edge where it would impair lift generation) were to an in-flight reverser deployment, compared to older models. For example, the DC-8 was actually authorized to use reverse thrust (at least on the inner two engines) in flight: but then it used low-bypass engines where the reversed air would be well back from the leading edge.
At that time, the owner of Lauda Air, Mr. Lauda, inofficially put high economical pressure on his pilots to save as much money as possible. With this in his mind, the captain decided not to switch off the engine and not to return to Bangkok. On the other hand, such an important advisory displayed, should appear in orange or red color. I hope that the beloved families and friends of the perished finally found their peace...😔
After this incident, Boeing recommended all affected jetliners having thrust reversers that could deploy in flight to have sync blocks on them, which prevents deployment unless the plane is on the ground. If I had seen such a warning, I would shut the engine off. All jetliners these days can fly on one engine.
Damm this appears to be factually incorrect: this wreck was due to the no1 reverser deploying in flight and causing the wing to stall. Unfortunately, the crew didnt react to the eicas alert ten seconds before its deployment, and was unable to recover from the upset. Why upload something this far off?!
What you do not say is Boeing originally said it was impossible. But lauda being a pilot flew himself and tested the theory. Proving it could be done. Because originally they blamed the pilots.
Why should we remain subscribed and watching? RUclips’s algorithm. If someone who had a regular publishing schedule, the moment they reduce that schedule, they are punished to the point where even subscribers won’t be recommended. The channel will completely die off. This has been one of the highest quality channels on RUclips. You shouldn’t punish them now for minor inconveniences. Keep watching, stay subscribed, give a thumbs up, and comment. Keep this channel alive.
Asymmetrical reverse and forward thrust on the opposite side would cause extreme yaw effects and at cruise speed/high power probably overwhelm the airframe and almost as rapidly as a speedboat can start tumblling on the water and breaking up when something goes wrong. I think Niki Lauda was a great guy and very involved with his airline and insisting that Boeing make right.
Yes niki lauda did address that to Boeing. Even though the craft could function on one engine. So there is a possibility that the crew did not implement the proper steps to do a recovery under that situation. I'm just tossing that question out there, if anyone is able to answer it.
@@kay9549Having a thrust reverser deploy is much worse than just losing an engine. The yaw force from such an imbalance would be catastrophic in that the plane may not break up at first but would instantly go out of control. The pilots didn't know what was happening and if they figured it out, it was already too late. You can't just pull the plane out of an uncontrolled dive or spin without proper technique and luck..and if it's diving beyond a certain speed, it's all over.
@@adotintheshark4848 yes sort of understand. Went into a stall/dive since they were not aerodynamics systemically configured unable to recover; ie: air flow. Question is, would the crew if at all, do anything to rectify this situation. The craft could fly on one engine, even though the thrust reverser did deploy on the other engine. Could they have shut down engine that deployed, or place it in idle. Just tossing the question out, to anyone that are able to give a definitive answer. Perhaps, since the engine deploy, there may be no chance for recovery, so unfortunate.
@@kay9549I honestly don't think they had time to assess the situation. Supposed they did and could do something. They could probably cut power to the thrust reverser thus restoring thrust to that side of the plane. If the plane was beginning to spiral they may have been able to save it then. As it was, due to the huge imbalance of thrust (this wasn't just a dead engine) the plane was uncontrollable in a matter of seconds.
another re-uploaded video. It's a sold channel, this person is incapable of making new videos, just re-uploading them. It's a pity, the original content was really good.
One of the things that has puzzled me about this flight, other than the inability to cycle through the different ADI modes by both pilots, is that both pilots ignored the standby ADI which showed the CORRECT attitude of the airplane because it is an independent instrument. If they had looked at that, they would have immediately seen the disparity, and they would have realized what the true attitude of the airplane was. The reversed engine was still a problem, but at least they could have kept the shiny side up.
For those who don't know, a plane has to travel nose first horizontally for the wings to generate lift. If the plane is put into a dive it is now traveling vertically and the wings aren't providing lift. It will quickly accelerate past the point of no return if not corrected immediately. Once a certain vertical velocity is reached, using the tail surfaces doesn't stop the dive, instead the tail will be torn off by aerodynamic forces. The plane and all on board are doomed.
adotinthesshark4848 you are saying that the craft was not aerodynamic, no symmetry, ie: air flow, even with the reverse thruster deployed on said engine. Even though the craft was designed to fly utilizing one engine. The question is, would the craft be able to recover from the stall or not.
@@adotintheshark4848 so you are saying it was not a normal stall, even utilizing the stall maneuver, there was no hope from recovering from said stall.
At 2:42 re reverse trust on some Russian and Soviet aircraft are able to safely use reverse trust in flight is somewhat misleading. It is being deployed just a few seconds before touch down, (thus technically still in flight if you must).
Our body's reaction to sensory inputs, or lack of them, changes when we are not on the ground. Interestingly spatial disorientation has caused quite a few crashes of airliners, military planes, and general aviation.
Recognizing instrument conflicts, ignoring the faulty instrument, and transitioning to partial panel is stressed at the very beginning of instrument flying instruction in C-172s and Piper Cherokees. That doesn’t mean it’s easy but they should have been able to quickly determine their AIs conflicted with their turn coordinator and mag compass. Sad situation.
I think deployment of reverse thrust at high power (with the malfunction perhaps the usual spooldown typical of pilot actuated reverse thrust on the ground and then spooling back up somewhat once the reversers "come out" did not happen but rather the engine was still spooled up when the reverse occurred) with the other engine running at high cruise power would have been much much worse than running both engines in reverse thrust at the same time (not asymmetrical)
As for the second clip why would you not put in a simple bubble level that is independent of out power inputs just in case your artificial horizon wing attitude fails ?
I think it's owed to all the people that got you to a million plus subscribers and that are still sticking around you can at least tell us what's going on with your channel because you're silence says they mean nothing to you
I would imagine that a thrust reversal during flight would be usually catastrophic. Best-case scenario might be a stall - that would be bad - but I can’t imagine worst-case scenario really
jsl151850b yes was looking at that as well. They craft could fly with only engine. Posted just a short time ago, in reference, to shutting down the engine that deployed, or perhaps put in in a idle mode. Unfortunately, they were not to do a recovery, since they were in a stall/an a dive. Could they have done, the stall recovery or not, to put the craft in a aerodynamic configuration, maybe not.
Imagine, just turning off the captain's side would have corrected this ADI/VG malfunction. If this wasn't possible? Why not use the turn coordinator for wing leveling and then the vertical speed indicator to control the pitch? Pilots are trained this over and over again throughout their careers. Sadly, "spacial disorientation" in the moment of sheer panic, all is lost! So sad, RIP to all that were lost so tragically!
Here’s how this works: It’s not a design flaw. If you’re diving towards the ground at a high speed, that high speed will immensely reduce the effectiveness of your flight controls, slowing down each input you make. Do it too fast, and you break up. Now add in being upside down. Yeah, you’re gone.
I can't imagine ignoring a warning that has such potential for catastrophy. It's like' "If it deploys, you die"....so a quick return to the airport would take care of it all. Wonder what the checklist said again? As for the COPA ADI...wasn't there a steam gauge to the right for the horizon too?
Why do you continuously post the same content over and over. Some of these stories you have went over several times. Maybe you should revamp and do ships and trains. This is getting tired.
Unsubscribed. More rehashed old videos and poor editing with duplication left in the second crash. As someone else said I don't think it's the same guy, as the quality was excellent before. The channel may have been sold. Mini Air crash investigations is a far better site now. Allec Joshua ibay is also recommended.
How many flights with the [unlucky] number 13 have crashed I wonder?!…the number is either part of the flight number,or passengers on board!……I would like to add as well that 113 people perished when Concorde crashed on the last flight from Charles De Gaulle ,25th July 2000…109 on board,4 on the ground…how ironic is that?!🙈
I remember some years back there was a Flight Number 5050. It was even material for Late Night TV. David Letterman asked the audience if they would be comfortable flying on such a flight with a number like 50/50.
NP great stuff I've not seen them all. Or forgot a few. Relax this Brothers probably got a busy life & thats why the repeat episodes. You can always request a refund !
Two airplane crashes in one video. The post-crash details (like what the investigators found) are never shown, unlike earlier. Goodbye, TFC. Thank you for short-changing us.
RE: Lauda Air B-767. I have thousands of hours on those airplanes, and according to my training the reversers cannot be deployed until Air/Ground sensing logic is satisfied. This seems an anomaly.
Yep, unsubscribing immediately, and using the no recommendation. Reuploading same old videos for such a long time is an absolute insult to all the subscribers. Yes, the are no infinite flight crashes to cover, but there are so many other maritime, train and so on crashes to cover if he wants to keep the channel going. I don't know if the original creator is still responsible for the channel, or it has been sold, but whoever is in charge has to give an explanation, or just a message, because the creator/subscriber relationship is going both directions. And don't bother to reply to me "bye, bye, you won't be missed" That just shows how braindead oligophrenic a person can be. And as a matter of fact , the owner of the channel will truly miss each subscriber / or a cent, as he is viewing us as a subscribers/
Has this channel gotten to a point now that theres no more crashes to cover, that youre just doing reuploads or are you just being lazy? Disappointing.
Eve4ryone who blamed the captain of EGYPTAIR 990 go watch how similar both accidents are... same aircraft same accident same pilot actions... just blaming egyptian pilot for no reason
A high percentage of viewers of recent Flight Channel uploads have been registering complaints about the negative change in the channel's quality (re-uploads). My theory is that the original producer of Flight Channel videos gave or sold the channel (with its million and a half subscribers) to someone else who is now recycling the channel's content and will keep doing so until the channel withers away.
definitely some differences in grammar I have noticed so you could be right
I think it's just that there are oh so many aviation incidents that you can cover.
That is a possibility, I think the time frame is around after he stopped uploading in seasons, season 6 being the last one… @betsyj59
@@SwapBlogRU Nah, channels like @DisasterBreakdown cover older, lesser known accidents plus newer ones but researches them well.
This channel also used to be very concise with details but there's definitely been a slip in quality.
It's a good point. That implies no more new videos. Forever. 😢
I remember commenting on this vid when it was uploaded 2 years ago, how time flies. I remember paying my respects to these pilots and all the passengers that lost their lives in this crash…
@aaryavjenna So I guess they are recycling older videos.
@@scotthutchens1556 Correct, their deaths can live on and continue to generate clicks! Sad, isn't it.
@@soopahsoopah Yes, it is.
My flight instructor told me you can use a half empty bottle of water to replace the ADI in an emergency. The original ADI was a half a bottle of wine during WW1.
I was just going to comment (as I have done before on other videos) - why can't a simple bubble level be installed in the console? A foolproof backup that works without any power to indicate level flight.
@@jobaecker9752I always thought the VERY SAME ! :D glad to read I'm not the only one.
Because that's not true at all. An attitude indicator is a gyroscope. It's fixed in space. A half empty water bottle only cares about where the g loading is. You can pour water upside down in an airplane if you do it right. Look up Bob Hoover.
Unfortunately your flight instructor was hugely and dangerously misinformed. Light aircraft pilots regularly die from flying into cloud or bad weather and then believing that their head (and bottom) is telling them which way is up and which down - quite incorrectly. One's internal sensing equipment (in your middle ear) just reacts to g force so in a turn one believes that "down" is in the direction away from the focus of the turn...and a spiral dive then ensues if a pilot follows such incorrect sense of what he or she thinks is level flight. One needs a gyroscope-driven attitude indicator in the plane that one can believe in, and then fly according to what it show, and not what your head is telling you. (I'm a pilot)
On top of that, you can feel if you are up or tilted to any side, am I wrong?
I can’t begin to imagine the fear, screaming, and chaos on board of that plane from all passengers knowing they were going to crash and die. That must be the most horrific feeling to experience knowing that they couldn’t do anything to avoid an imminent death. No one wants to experience this moment ever in life.
You are in the air ……so, there is no chance of avoiding the crash and dying! At least on a train, you can get out safely (sometimes) because you are on land, but in the air??? It is horrible.
And those families or friends who were waiting for these passengers to land safely, to have to tell them that the plane they were waiting for crashed, must be absolutely devastating for them; surely, the emotions running high being everyone in shock.
May all the passengers, pilots, crewmen, Rest in Peace always 🙏💐
And, the plane was being torn apart - what was happening to the people? At least it was probably very fast, mercifully.
Perhaps it happen so quickly, passengers perhaps unable to comprehend what was really happening at that moment, hopefully so. I'm looking at decompression of the cabin, since the craft was breaking up as it was falling from the attitude they were at. Cannot imagine what the passengers were experiencing.
i agree with EVERYTHING you said. absolutely the worst way to go!
@@mariposamoreno tysm, can't imagine what the passengers were going through at that moment. Hopefully they were experiencing a level of hypoxia, or perhaps in a unconscious state. Its so hard to make that determination as they were experiencing decompression aircraft was breaking up as they plummeting to the ground.
@@mariposamoreno this was the lauda aircraft, unfortunately the thrust reverser did imploy during, the crew was not able to rectify that situation. Read that the owner of the craft niki lauda did indeed visit the site. He voiced his concerns to the manufacturer on the malfunction of the thrust reverser, during flight.
One of the most appalling aspects of the Lauda crash is that local villagers and even volunteer 'rescue teams' looted the wreckage taking personal belongings of the passengers. Also, the Bangkok hospital to which bodies were taken lacked sufficient refrigeration causing bodies to decompose. Twenty seven passengers were never identified. Altogether an horrific tragedy, even post accident.
Must be "being MAGA" is a world-wide phenomenon.
Unfortunately that did transpire, so very unfortunate. Cannot imagine that being done, but we are looking at another area of the world.
Yeah but it was a Boeing error that killed all the passengers and crew. If this is what happens when the reverse thrust is applied how is it that it was applied? ERROR!!!
@@waltbroedner4754What are you babbling about? We all know this was a problem. Has nothing to do what happened to the victims after they were already dead.
third world results
Is there any reason for the re-uploads? The Lauda accident was first uploaded in Jan 2021 and the Copa accident in Oct 2022. I also didn't notice any changes or edits compared to the original uploads.
Despite this supposedly being a reupload, I'll stick around and wait for something new. It's not that much of a burden to see reuploads pop up that you can skip. The quality and depth is worth waiting for. The person or people who run this channel really found their niche. I envy them. I gotta find mine, too.
It kinda shows how planes are getting safer day by day lol. Not taking them for granted, but it seems like it.
Not sure I want to hang around seeing reloads. Unsubscribing.
I hadn't seen it.
This is the first time I've seen this video.
When was the last time we saw new content? It ain't happening.
Ugh imagine the chaos, panic and fear of all those passangers in those final moments
this is my biggest nightmare.
Before you're dead, you'll experience your worst nightmare. this is scary to die like this with the greatest fear. that you experience everything consciously
welcome to ritual s.a.c.r.i.f.i.c.e earth...this wasnt an accicent....most arent
@@ThatSadRequiemplanes are my biggest nightmare, period
@@mariposamoreno do u fly
This channel is really loved to me and have been watching it since 6-7 years.
Same here.
Me too but times change. This is not the same any more. Unsubscribed
Thanks for a nice video. First incident: It's great that Boeing redesigned the thrust-reverser system to avoid incidents like this from occurring again. The crew really had only one option: to recognize the warning as DANGER and to immediately shut down the left engine, A 767 can fly very well on one engine. The crew could then have declared an emergency and returned to the airport. While Lauda Air could have, in theory, completed the flight on one engine, I would have been against doing so, Second incident: It is appalling that this crew would not know to switch gyros to see if that corrects the problem. Obviously, flying in IFR conditions (night or bad weather) means you have to trust your instruments, but it also means you have to understand how those instruments work and the backups you have. Additionally, does the 737-200 have a Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI), which in some airplanes is a backup to the ADI?
I thought I had heard on some of these videos that airliners had attitude indicators on each side, one in front of the left seat and one in front of the right seat and then a back-up in the middle, all on different "circuits", or something of that nature. And that the first step you would take when thinking the one in front of you might not be functioning correctly, would be to cross check with the other ones. I know I have seen other vids where this issue was not handled correctly and the plane crashed.
Are these just re-up loads of your previous stuff??
They are.
Good question. I also noticed that there's way less information now at the end of the videos.
I think the original owner/producer of this channel sold it off to someone else.
He is running out and needs the click baits.
@@Capecodham well, he hasn't covered the 4 flights on 9/11 or Jal 123 for some reason...
Hmmm, sliding out of my seat and my coffee is all over the place, but it says we're level....go with that.
You can be at an extreme bank angle and if the turn is coordinated, it will feel like you are flying straight and level. This is why as an instrument pilot you are taught to ignore everything you body is feeling and trust your instruments. Sadly in this case, instruments were not set up correctly.
@@sampage5882 i think the point is how can these pilots not know how bad things are when the passengers are screaming fear?
I'm hanging around, thanks for uploading the video.
early and yet I can already predict this will be an informative video, I already knew this crash as a result of the thrust reversers deploying mid-air as I recall, locals had stolen scrap and luggage from people that had died in the crash site, RIP to all.
I’ve always been a big Formula 1 fan, and an even bigger fan of Niki Lauda. When I learned of this crash my respect for the man went sky high. Most wealthy folks who ‘diversify’ by owning something like an airline in those days, their involvement basically ended with the funding & their name on the jet. Lauda’s did not. When the jet crashed, he dropped everything else in his life and became incredibly determined to find out what went wrong. Determined to give the families the truest answer he possibly could as to why their loved ones were lost. And when was certain that he could… he took on Boeing to prove what had caused the thrust reverser to activate. It became legendary & also the metric that gave us the measure of the man.
Rest well, Niki Lauda. We should all hold you as an example.
I've just read the final report on lauda flight 004, during the spiral they were experiencing g forces of 1g. At that time the craft was breaking up, loss of stabilizer. The crew was unable even prior to the dive, unfortunately a unrecoverable
Incident.
Please take the comments seriously. I don’t mean to cause any pressure on you.
I know that I told y’all not to beg him to make new episodes, but I just wanna make sure he notices us. His channel is great, but the channel quality has been decreasing.
How has it been decreasing?
He's just uploading his old videos@@floobs
@@floobsThe older intro format is (kinda) gone, and the videos feel more rushed now.
@@floobs That's a strange question. The Flight Channel used to post excellent well researched videos. It now churns our recycled content headlined by clickbait thumbnails. How long have you been watching it?
@@narabdelaDon't get me wrong, the content is great but I've been noticing quite a few re-uploads recently..
"just an advisory thing".
I know. Some pilots seem to be over-reliant on modern technology to save them from disaster. "Nothing bad could happen - it's a new plane." Duh!
All they had to do was take the warning seriously, shut down the number 1 engine, and return safely to the airport.
@@timonsolus Exactly, I could not have put it better.
Shut down number 1, no checklist needed. Maintain high thrust on number 2, but NOT TOGA, where the oil temperature could rise and during level flight the rotor could over rev, causing the fan blade to break up. Stabilise the aircraft, ignoring a slight drop in altitude. Then relax, have a cup of coffee, before planning a rout to the nearest airport, while the pilot monitoring checks the instruments every 30 seconds.
PS. I was not joking about the coffee. Time was on their side, so the important thing was getting their thoughts back into gear, before planning everything without oversights or mistakes.
My question is, why were both ADI's on one VG in the first place in the last incident? If they had been in the normal operational position, it would have told the pilots what the issue were and given them a fighting chance.
Worst fear is for the plane to break up mid air. I don’t suffer from aviophobia but just fear that someone may still go wrong in the worst possible situation
can you please cover tnf fly girl’s crash? Thank you
I've never heard of that?? What is tnf??
@@tracycolvin7789 I don’t know either I saw it popping up on my recommended. She seemed to be pretty new to flying but she crashed a helicopter and perished with her father
@@JD-ib9zd actually, now that you mentioned it, I DO know what incident that is.😔
@@JD-ib9zdIt was not a helicopter, it was a small plane.
@@tracycolvin7789 it should read "TNFlyGirl", as she was from Tennessee.
I have been a subscriber for a long time and will always be a subscriber. I know that there are not a lot of crashes out there to cover which is why you're re-uplpading these. However, I have a few flights that I suggest you should cover:
Air Philippines flight 541
Korean Air flight 631
JAL 123 (not sure if you've covered this one)
JAL 516
Philippine Air Force C-130 crash
These are crashes or incidents that you have never covered before. I highly suggest you make a video for each of them so we can have something new.
thats not the reason why he reuploads his videos
@@d_avin13 okay, then what other reason he would he reuploading? Plane crashes don't happen daily like car crashes.
@@pilotjdb there are many other reasons, he could be lazy for example
and there lots of crashes to cover, like the ones you‘ve mentioned already
The backup artificial horizon was clearly working. Didn't anyone bother to look at it? Sometimes people become so dependent on computers and electronics they forget how to think for themselves.
It was working, but their eyes were focused on the malfunctioning ADI instead of the backup, and with no visible horizon, they cant tell whether the plane is banking too much or leveled. And because they were trained in a different plane, they believed flipping the switch to the left mostly puts the ADI to the backup gyro, but in Copa 201, it flipped to the bad gyro instead
Lauda Air Pilots: It's just an advisory thing
Narrator: It was indeed not just an advisory thing
People really acting like there are new planes crashes every week to make a video for their entertainment.
😂
EXACTLY!!!!
As I read in other comment, there are quite a few lesser known incidents/accidents to cover. Disaster Breakdown and Mini Air Crash Investigation have plenty of them.
There are still many crashes that were not covered by this channel.
Stupid comment really. If there's no new content available to post, you don't post!
You need to cover the Virgin Atlantic A340 that had a problem with the landing gear and make an emergency landing a couple of years ago.
What happened to the "RIP to the victims" at the end of each video?
More evidence that it's not the same person in my opinion. Gone downhill big style
I think he sold the channel.
disappeared with the rehashing
The AI that's posting this crud skipped it.
@@ba9atman Definitely AI. All the signs are there.
Warning says engine has potential to suddenly reverse, sending your jet into a death spiral, but hey, let's just leave the engine running, and ignore it. My ass would have puckered, I would have shut it down, and headed back to port. No darwin award for me. :)
The fact that this is even possible in flight is utterly mind-boggling. Well done, boeing.
More likely a maintenance problem than a design or construction problem.
I don't think it was realized at the time how much more vulnerable modern designs like the 767 (with one big high-bypass engine under each wing, with reversed air exiting roughly at the wing leading edge where it would impair lift generation) were to an in-flight reverser deployment, compared to older models.
For example, the DC-8 was actually authorized to use reverse thrust (at least on the inner two engines) in flight: but then it used low-bypass engines where the reversed air would be well back from the leading edge.
At that time, the owner of Lauda Air, Mr. Lauda, inofficially put high economical pressure on his pilots to save as much money as possible.
With this in his mind, the captain decided not to switch off the engine and not to return to Bangkok.
On the other hand, such an important advisory displayed, should appear in orange or red color.
I hope that the beloved families and friends of the perished finally found their peace...😔
After this incident, Boeing recommended all affected jetliners having thrust reversers that could deploy in flight to have sync blocks on them, which prevents deployment unless the plane is on the ground. If I had seen such a warning, I would shut the engine off. All jetliners these days can fly on one engine.
Niki Laura, the owner of the carrier, and himself a 767 pilot, had to fight Boeing for this to happen.
@@AEMoreira81 yes he was, so he did have the understanding of the craft. Believe that he had been a pilot for a time.
Damm this appears to be factually incorrect: this wreck was due to the no1 reverser deploying in flight and causing the wing to stall. Unfortunately, the crew didnt react to the eicas alert ten seconds before its deployment, and was unable to recover from the upset. Why upload something this far off?!
exactly . the narrative is a pack of lies. The airliner was founded by a former racedriver Nicki Lauder.
What B S
767 was found to be uncontrollable with reverser deployed in flight regardless of pilot skill.
Air Crash Investigation is in Season 20 and they are doing the exact same thing with the repeats.
What you do not say is Boeing originally said it was impossible. But lauda being a pilot flew himself and tested the theory. Proving it could be done. Because originally they blamed the pilots.
Why should we remain subscribed and watching? RUclips’s algorithm. If someone who had a regular publishing schedule, the moment they reduce that schedule, they are punished to the point where even subscribers won’t be recommended. The channel will completely die off.
This has been one of the highest quality channels on RUclips. You shouldn’t punish them now for minor inconveniences.
Keep watching, stay subscribed, give a thumbs up, and comment. Keep this channel alive.
AMEN!!
Exactly!!!
Ryanair flight 4978. China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735. Polish Airforce Flight 101. Qantas Flight 32. Vnukovo Airlines Flight 2801. Pan Am Flight 121 ( Gene Roddenberry).
He did do China easternm
It really seems quite different
I loved this channel, but not the new direction it seems to be taking.
An explanation would be helpful at this point.
been , hyjacked by a russian....only a russian would use that backbround music
Crash 2, HELLO... standby Artificial Horizon, cross checking ASI, compass, just trusting ONE instrument: fail.
That second incident was so sad. Simple was available but they didn't take advantage of it.
Thank you, I had time to read everything 😁😉👌
Imagine how scary the crew and passengers must have felt. 😢
This is another reupload listed as new. A shame, I hope this does not continue and new content becomes available
I'm sure by that you don't mean more accidents, just accidents that have not been covered.
Asymmetrical reverse and forward thrust on the opposite side would cause extreme yaw effects and at cruise speed/high power probably overwhelm the airframe and almost as rapidly as a speedboat can start tumblling on the water and breaking up when something goes wrong.
I think Niki Lauda was a great guy and very involved with his airline and insisting that Boeing make right.
The crash affected Niki deeply. He wanted nothing to do with the airline business after this.
Yes niki lauda did address that to Boeing. Even though the craft could function on one engine. So there is a possibility that the crew did not implement the proper steps to do a recovery under that situation. I'm just tossing that question out there, if anyone is able to answer it.
@@kay9549Having a thrust reverser deploy is much worse than just losing an engine. The yaw force from such an imbalance would be catastrophic in that the plane may not break up at first but would instantly go out of control. The pilots didn't know what was happening and if they figured it out, it was already too late. You can't just pull the plane out of an uncontrolled dive or spin without proper technique and luck..and if it's diving beyond a certain speed, it's all over.
@@adotintheshark4848 yes sort of understand. Went into a stall/dive since they were not aerodynamics systemically configured unable to recover; ie: air flow. Question is, would the crew if at all, do anything to rectify this situation. The craft could fly on one engine, even though the thrust reverser did deploy on the other engine. Could they have shut down engine that deployed, or place it in idle. Just tossing the question out, to anyone that are able to give a definitive answer. Perhaps, since the engine deploy, there may be no chance for recovery, so unfortunate.
@@kay9549I honestly don't think they had time to assess the situation. Supposed they did and could do something. They could probably cut power to the thrust reverser thus restoring thrust to that side of the plane. If the plane was beginning to spiral they may have been able to save it then. As it was, due to the huge imbalance of thrust (this wasn't just a dead engine) the plane was uncontrollable in a matter of seconds.
These have all been shown before.
another re-uploaded video. It's a sold channel, this person is incapable of making new videos, just re-uploading them. It's a pity, the original content was really good.
this is the 3rd video with a plane at that angle inverted with tail separating in the thumbnail, 16th with just the angle
One of the things that has puzzled me about this flight, other than the inability to cycle through the different ADI modes by both pilots, is that both pilots ignored the standby ADI which showed the CORRECT attitude of the airplane because it is an independent instrument. If they had looked at that, they would have immediately seen the disparity, and they would have realized what the true attitude of the airplane was. The reversed engine was still a problem, but at least they could have kept the shiny side up.
So flight 004 was in a 700mph nose dive when it hit the ground? Jesus. That's rough.
Every plane should have ejector seats with parachutes and a tracking system installed. My opinion, of course.
...and an exceedingly dumb opinion at that. 🤣
We want new content, not the same old episodes being replayed all the time
Why is RUclips allowing reuploads?
WHY WHY WHY did the pilot TURN OFF the REVERSE THRUSTERS when he noticed it ????
For those who don't know, a plane has to travel nose first horizontally for the wings to generate lift. If the plane is put into a dive it is now traveling vertically and the wings aren't providing lift. It will quickly accelerate past the point of no return if not corrected immediately. Once a certain vertical velocity is reached, using the tail surfaces doesn't stop the dive, instead the tail will be torn off by aerodynamic forces. The plane and all on board are doomed.
adotinthesshark4848 you are saying that the craft was not aerodynamic, no symmetry, ie: air flow, even with the reverse thruster deployed on said engine. Even though the craft was designed to fly utilizing one engine. The question is, would the craft be able to recover from the stall or not.
@@kay9549a normal stall, yes, if procedures are followed. But an uncontrolled dive? No.
@@adotintheshark4848 so you are saying it was not a normal stall, even utilizing the stall maneuver, there was no hope from recovering from said stall.
At 2:42 re reverse trust on some Russian and Soviet aircraft are able to safely use reverse trust in flight is somewhat misleading. It is being deployed just a few seconds before touch down, (thus technically still in flight if you must).
I have a decent sense of being level. Does that not apply in an airplane.?
Our body's reaction to sensory inputs, or lack of them, changes when we are not on the ground. Interestingly spatial disorientation has caused quite a few crashes of airliners, military planes, and general aviation.
Recognizing instrument conflicts, ignoring the faulty instrument, and transitioning to partial panel is stressed at the very beginning of instrument flying instruction in C-172s and Piper Cherokees. That doesn’t mean it’s easy but they should have been able to quickly determine their AIs conflicted with their turn coordinator and mag compass. Sad situation.
How do they know all the clothes were torn off the passengers?? There would have been nothing left of the bodies based on how hard it hit the ground.
I'm not a pilot, but would it be possible to use the altimeter and speed to sort through the problem and avoid a crash?
5:18 "braking" the sound barrier?
You said the passangers clothes were ripped off, but that doesn't sound likely. Maybe they found clothes from the luggage?
Very likely. They probably found the passengers without their clothes.
I thought it was very odd for this video to even mention this happening, among the dozens of other things that happen during a crash.
Don't these new aircraft have an old school gyroscope attitude indicator as a backup?
I think deployment of reverse thrust at high power (with the malfunction perhaps the usual spooldown typical of pilot actuated reverse thrust on the ground and then spooling back up somewhat once the reversers "come out" did not happen but rather the engine was still spooled up when the reverse occurred) with the other engine running at high cruise power would have been much much worse than running both engines in reverse thrust at the same time (not asymmetrical)
As for the second clip why would you not put in a simple bubble level that is independent of out power inputs just in case your artificial horizon wing attitude fails ?
Shutting down the engine immediately would surely have dealt to the issue?
Is there suddenly new information about this that wasn't in the various previous videos about this crash?
He is running out and needs the click baits.
I live near this airport in Bangkok, I've flown out of it.
Interesting and informative
The passenger's clothes were torn off and thrown away from the aircraft? How is that possible? Was it a nice day and they had the top down?
Yes. What the hell is up with that? Like mom said, "Always put on clean underwear; you never know when you'll be in a plane accident."
I think it's owed to all the people that got you to a million plus subscribers and that are still sticking around you can at least tell us what's going on with your channel because you're silence says they mean nothing to you
Pls update PK8303 video as final investigation report is publicly available.
Literally all this channel does now is reupload videos
This is why I walk.
I would imagine that a thrust reversal during flight would be usually catastrophic. Best-case scenario might be a stall - that would be bad - but I can’t imagine worst-case scenario really
this was my favorite episode
I watch this channel quite a bit. And then if I have to fly, I'm terrified
*Had they shut down Engine #1 and performed a single engine emergency landing it might have been survivable?*
jsl151850b yes was looking at that as well. They craft could fly with only engine. Posted just a short time ago, in reference, to shutting down the engine that deployed, or perhaps put in in a idle mode. Unfortunately, they were not to do a recovery, since they were in a stall/an a dive. Could they have done, the stall recovery or not, to put the craft in a aerodynamic configuration, maybe not.
so sad, channel turned into some bullshit reupload shit, unfollowing if this doenst change fast
This channel is failing. Just remakes of older episodes. I'm unsubscribing at this point. I've said this and said this multiple times.
@TheFlightChannel. Good job, don't take the sons of the beach' s reaction. 👍
Imagine, just turning off the captain's side would have corrected this ADI/VG malfunction. If this wasn't possible? Why not use the turn coordinator for wing leveling and then the vertical speed indicator to control the pitch? Pilots are trained this over and over again throughout their careers. Sadly, "spacial disorientation" in the moment of sheer panic, all is lost! So sad, RIP to all that were lost so tragically!
You need an editor for the text over your videos 5:18
Oof, I guess I need an editor as well
No mention of Niki Lauda personally investigating the first accident and insisting Boeing take action.
Anyways, how do they design things, so just ONE brief wrong movement (right turn) leads to a "unrecoverable dive"??
Have you heard of aerodynamics?
@@notsoseagatey have you heard of automated control systems?
@@hadrianos1 the 732 doesnt have that
@@notsoseagatey yes, now read carefully my initial comment
Here’s how this works:
It’s not a design flaw. If you’re diving towards the ground at a high speed, that high speed will immensely reduce the effectiveness of your flight controls, slowing down each input you make. Do it too fast, and you break up. Now add in being upside down. Yeah, you’re gone.
Is this another Boeing quality control issue? It was a brand new 767.
Another stupid clickbait thumbnail. PLEASE STOP IT!
It’s not clickbait, the aircraft in the photo actually did more or less break up that way.
something simple like a Spirit level bubble maybe,.....RIP.
BOEING engineering. American engineering. Look at BOEING today.
I can't imagine ignoring a warning that has such potential for catastrophy. It's like' "If it deploys, you die"....so a quick return to the airport would take care of it all. Wonder what the checklist said again?
As for the COPA ADI...wasn't there a steam gauge to the right for the horizon too?
Are clothes routinely pulled off passengers in a crash? What was different about this. I never heard of that before.
Why do you continuously post the same content over and over. Some of these stories you have went over several times. Maybe you should revamp and do ships and trains. This is getting tired.
I agree
Unsubscribed. More rehashed old videos and poor editing with duplication left in the second crash. As someone else said I don't think it's the same guy, as the quality was excellent before. The channel may have been sold. Mini Air crash investigations is a far better site now. Allec Joshua ibay is also recommended.
.. what
it feels like it has a nice touch
How many flights with the [unlucky] number 13 have crashed I wonder?!…the number is either part of the flight number,or passengers on board!……I would like to add as well that 113 people perished when Concorde crashed on the last flight from Charles De Gaulle ,25th July 2000…109 on board,4 on the ground…how ironic is that?!🙈
I remember some years back there was a Flight Number 5050. It was even material for Late Night TV. David Letterman asked the audience if they would be comfortable flying on such a flight with a number like 50/50.
What happened to this channel ?
NP great stuff I've not seen them all.
Or forgot a few.
Relax this Brothers probably got a busy life & thats why the repeat episodes.
You can always request a refund !
I think that you need to engage your brain before posting.
@@narabdela
After you...
stop re-uploading lol😊
He is running out and needs the click baits.
lol@@Capecodham
I hadn't seen this one!
Two airplane crashes in one video. The post-crash details (like what the investigators found) are never shown, unlike earlier. Goodbye, TFC. Thank you for short-changing us.
RE: Lauda Air B-767. I have thousands of hours on those airplanes, and according to my training the reversers cannot be deployed until Air/Ground sensing logic is satisfied. This seems an anomaly.
Rest in peace 🕊️ to all Victims of this Two Crashes 💔
Yep, unsubscribing immediately, and using the no recommendation. Reuploading same old videos for such a long time is an absolute insult to all the subscribers. Yes, the are no infinite flight crashes to cover, but there are so many other maritime, train and so on crashes to cover if he wants to keep the channel going. I don't know if the original creator is still responsible for the channel, or it has been sold, but whoever is in charge has to give an explanation, or just a message, because the creator/subscriber relationship is going both directions.
And don't bother to reply to me "bye, bye, you won't be missed"
That just shows how braindead oligophrenic a person can be. And as a matter of fact , the owner of the channel will truly miss each subscriber / or a cent, as he is viewing us as a subscribers/
Has this channel gotten to a point now that theres no more crashes to cover, that youre just doing reuploads or are you just being lazy? Disappointing.
I suppose there’s only so many air crashes , they don’t happen every week .
Assuming it's the same person running this channel now.
He is running out and needs the click baits.
there are hundreds of crashes he hasnt covered yet, like jal123 for example
@@allseeingotto2912 thankfully
Eve4ryone who blamed the captain of EGYPTAIR 990 go watch how similar both accidents are... same aircraft same accident same pilot actions... just blaming egyptian pilot for no reason
Let me guess, the computer? Hasn't this gotten old for everyone?