NOT HAPPY... PARLOUR PROBLEMS!! DEMOLITION DAY FOR THE DAIRY!
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2024
- In today's video we are solving problems... Fibre glass gone wrong, knocking wall's down and installing Smart heat!
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Unfortunately the whole wall is going to have to be redone. I've built boats and repaired boats. Its just delaminated across the whole wall. The corners have been bumped by the cows so hopefully that doesn't affect the warranty of the fiberglass. Protecting the corners will help for a while but the moisture will collect behind the wall and then it will come off in sheets. I see no other solution as bad as it was than to completely have it redone OR go back with something else under warranty. Great video though. Interesting about the hot water heater. Interested to find out just how much you save over the course of the year!!
Just a tip on going into the bulk tank. Get a 5 gallon bucket and tie a string onto the handle. Have the string long enough to hang outside the tank opening. When you go into the tank take the bucket in with you. Then when you want to get out, turn the bucket upside down and use it as a step to get out a bit easier.Then pull the bucket out with the string. Job done. Been there , done that.😄😄😄
Great idea! 👏👏👏
Been there done that too lol
Please keep us updated re ginger warrior we all want to know how he is doing your doing a fantastic job
In the states we have what is called frp (fiberglass reinforced plastic). Comes in thin panels and is adhered to walls with a glue or mushroom anchors. Very durable product that is used on our car wash walls and other areas that need to be protected from water. Might be worth checking out for future projects.
did two years apprenticeship as a Mason during college, anytime we coated bricks with anything we primer coated with a material that had to dry two days before any finish to seal the brick and give adhesion to the brick.
That must be so aggravating given the time ,money and of course effort that was put in to get that parlour finished.
I would definitely be pushing for a massive compensation package to cover the cost of replacement as and when the time comes Tom.
You’ve been very gracious in not naming the company but obviously that will depend on how they resolve the issue without causing you down time in the Parlour.
Nice saving on the Heating element 🤜🏼⚡️🤛🏼
Should have had concrete panels to start, that finish on the blockers is shocking. Then fibreglass panels over. You live and learn.
Those corner trims are glued to the fibreglass surface?, bet they come off with the fibreglass still stuck to them. The 'fix' doesn't address the lack of bond between wall and fibreglass layer... Hope I'm wrong, but I guess I'll see....
I kinda thought the same thing
Yes, it's stupid to try to stick these corner bits on now.
Fibreglass is bubbling due to the moisture in the wall, and also how about fitting an Alexa to the stereo so you can ask her to switch off the radio when you go into the parlour filming
Alexa idea is genius
@@ritch195 they don't need internet but they do need a wifi network
Think they have WiFi
I can't remember the video of them doing it but don't know if they SBR'd the walls, this step is vital. The amount of blown plaster my company went out to. Also dont use them plastic stips, they will damage up and look really dirty in no time really quickly, get the stainless ones. Good job on the wall guys.
Blockwork should have had a month to throughly dry out,then prime brick & blockwork with SBR & then rendered before fibreglassing, agree with you about using SS corner profiles.
I have always given my hair sheep and the donkey my Christmas tree when I am done with it. They enjoy eating it, rubbing against it and it gives them nice piney breath!
I still have my two Christmas wreaths. I wonder if it might give me nice piney breath. During my upcoming surgery, the anesthetist might start singing "oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree..." jk.
Tom PLEASE Update as to how you Dad id feeling Great I hope.....But we all would like to know.
Tom you probably already know about this but what we did on our parlour years ago was to attach large blue plastic sheets to the walls, they were a few mm thick so very durable (I don't think they ever broke) and they were very easy to clean. As it's just the corners hopefully you might not need to go that far.
Trouble is since you've now got fibreglass on your walls you need to be careful and wear a mask when drilling into it.
And why is fiberglas bubbling and comming off? Water in the walls....walls weren't dry when applying and are not dry even now.. The moment I saw you doing those fiberglass walls i knew there will be trouble ahead...
Lots of comments here😮 you would have thought corner protection would've been part of the package😇🙄 maybe they're a newish company learning as they go? Fingers crossed ye'll sort it.. belt and braces where farming is concerned😊
That heat recovery is a great idea.
Hope that wall holds out. Kind of disappointing with how much it cost, and so much of the parlour is attached to it. Any major repair is going to be an absolute nightmare.
No chance...
Should be warranted.
@@WhirlyPearly5 years on it 🤦♂️
@@TomPembertonFarmLife I think I would recoup the money from the warranty and choose something else.
My preference would of being to plaster the parlour walls and steel float them and then paint them with a special paint, but every one to there own
You could have coated it with a 2 pack coating Teamac have and is use in parlour. I hope the manufacturer sorts it out for you if they don’t shout and I’ll send you some product to try.
I have wondered how you pass inspection with the bulk tank exposed. That would not pass here in the USA. As for the fiberglass coating on the walls. IF it is applied to smooth walls that are completely cured. Meaning no moisture in the wall. Then the fiberglass coating works. The bubbles your getting are more than likely caused by moisture behind the coating rather than air pockets. The plastic corners that your gluing on will not stay with the cows rubbing by them. I hope that the fiberglass coating stays on but I am thinking it will just keep falling off.
The vast majority of dairies here have poly boards attached to the walls. They are slicker than the fiberglass and they are much more rugged.
How frustrating for you having the fibreglass blow, hopefully it can be sorted before dad gets back to work, hope he is doing well❤❤
Osmosis right there. It'll never stick eith the walls being damp. Id doubt they have damp proof layer. Sealed in the moisture snd and it pushing the fibre glass off as it warms up and expands
That's basically a heat recovery unit which was being used when we milked cows back in the 80's.
How is your dad doing after the back surgery?? Don't let him overdo it! I had my back surgery a couple of years ago and overdid it and paid the price.
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Chelmsford Council built an ice rink underneath one of their public swimming pools and even back in the 1990s it was saving the council a million or two by dumping the heat from the ice coolers onto a heat exchanger to heat the swimming pool
204th! Good Tuesday evening Tom, Luke,HIEDI,and all my best wishes to the ginger warrior with a mustache! Roger in Pierre South Dakota USA
Thanks for the video Tom.
Tom if my mind remembers properly, when you went to "sisters in wellies" farm they had the same brick wall you have, and they didn't have the problem you're having with the fibreglass coating
If you look where they stand when they are milking there is a big Crack going along on both sides.
They paid them with swimmer pool paint. It had cracked after 2 years unfortunately 🙈
@@TomPembertonFarmLife oh no. Thanks for letting me know. I really hope you're able to fix the problem, because using pressure jetting, which you need to use to clean the milking parlour will just exacerbate the problem
I put heat recovery in when I got a new tank think it was 3 years ago now. I love mine it works brilliantly for us! Hot water on a mixer tap to feed our calf feeder and the parlour wash/tank wash is all connected.
Great video as always
Great video. Always something to see great work
That's brilliant!!!
Poor workmanship people don't take pride in their trade !!! I hope you can get some of yal money spent on that job !! Good video stay safe
Hope all the family are well Tom 👍
👍🏼 I dare not comment earnestly on the failure of the fibreglass in your parlour. I hope you're being compensated.
great video tom you will get there
Been building fiber glass. Boats seams like they did not roll it properly
We have both heat recovery on the milk tank and pre-cooling with water before milk tank 👍
Reckon the bubbling fibreglass is due to moisture or texture of the blockwork. Usually with a finish the wall needs to be prepared ie skim, lined with ply, CP board, fermacell .etc cutting corners never pays in the end.
☘️Interesting video Tom, hope the weather gets better for you and continued success in the future 😊👍☘️
On your heat exchanger make sure there is a thermostat that will dump water when it gets above 65 degrees as they start to work in reverse we found with ours in hot weather and takes even longer too cool milk. The biggest saving is the reduction in compressor running the hot water is a bonus!
Looking good 👍
Great video Tom and I hope they sort your fibreglass out 👏👏👍👍
Keep it up 😊
Very interesting video today and that’s a win win that heat recovery system.
Tom superb mate brilliant
I remember that the ground was very wet ,and watertable gets very high there in wet weather...anyway I wonder if a good damp course was put in at ground level to stop rising damp in blocks. The wall with plywood has not popped maybe because no rising damp. .
The pit hasn’t blown at all
Just so everyone is up to speed, Tom mentioned below in a comment that the parlour walls were finished on April 21st and fiberglass started on May 23. I would think that a month would be enough time for the walls to cure and remove excess moisture. But I am a novice.
Was you not warned about putting fibreglass on the walls ??? ... Mark has got a lot to answer for (Bless him).. Would I recommend Quattro Contracting to install a resin floor ? HELL YES , probably the best floor contractors in the UK (My opinion) . You must drag him back to sort it out , and don't give him any bacon butties...
When we fibre glassed our parlour we rounded the corners of the blocks first, also rendered blockwork with strong mix 3/1, it stuck to that ok then
saw you using power tools without hearing protection! take care of your hearing :)
Loving the end of video rap-up that's been appearing in your latest vids
That’s awesome, hope it saves you bunches! How is your dad doing?
Love and prayers 😇💜
I'm here, no comments yet lets fix that.
We use the warm water off that tank for mixing calf milk up with, right temperature and the more water you use off it the more efficient it is
Always good to save money if you can and it looks like you can that’s great. How is your dad doing?
great vid tom love your pic on the computer screen behind you
Hi great video hope you sort the wall out, how s boss man doing? Hope rest of the family are doing well, see you on the next one,
Everyone definitely likes saving money 💰 🤑 💸 🙂
what is the fiberglass company thinking? Boats are made of fiberglass and they don't chip and fall apart - many stay in the water for years on in and come out to be waterblastered to get the sea life taken off them so a bit of slurry will not make a difference - bathrooms behind tiles are fiberglass waterproofing and the tiles don'f fall off the wall and the wall does not leak - get them to come and take it off and do it properly at full cost to them - those corners will not last 6 months and it's a patch job on poor workmanship - that fiberglass should have stuck like s!!!t to a blanket
I think the critical thing is the adhesion between the wall surface and the fibreglass. If it’s not perfect you get (in effect) blistering or patched which are not fully adhered. So the fibreglass surface is slightly lifted in patches from the underlying layer. These patches will wear away with any abrasion to the wall. Like a cow rubbing against the corner of the wall.
I imagine the main problem is how much time that would take. If it means the parlour couldn't be used for a while then it's probably not an option as I don't think Tom is in a hurry to get parlour on a trailer again any time soon!
On the contrary. Delamination and osmosis is one of the biggest problems with fibreglass boats. Once there's a tiny scratch in the gelcoat, you're in for an expensive repair bill.
That fibre glass is a total loss, it was applied too soon after block wall built, too much moisture,needed to dry out then brick/block primed & rendered, have done several koi block ponds & never had a failure.
@@stuartandrews4344 I wonder if the company succumbed to the pressure of being in Toms video and wanting to get the job done on time.
Anything that saves money has got to be worth doing, its amazing. how much power it takes to heat water from cold. With your solar panel array, it should also save you money in the winter as well. 👍
And by using the water tank to cool the refrigerant you are saving from having to blow out the Condenser which will save you tons of time. Part of the problem of burning out compressors is dirty condensers. And with the amount of dust on the farm there you would probably have to blow it out or clean it weekly in order to have it working near capacity. Also especially in the summer the heat load given off makes the whole area uncomfortable and makes the compressors work at a much higher temperature. So not only will your electric bill love you for it, your cooling system will also love you for doing it and last much much longer. Thats a Five Cow job 🐮🐮🐮🐮🐮!
12:58 great content again
Morning Tom
We used resin paint in our parlour brilliant stuff
We've just applied for the grant for a heat recovery system. 60% paid towards it, hopefully we get it 🤞
Just as a point of interest, a friend of mine has a hot-tub and it costs him £22 from cold to hot, but it only cost £0.66p per day to keep up to temperature. Great video as always thank you
It's a lot less expensive to keep something hot than warming something up. Keeping something constant saves energy for example it takes far less energy to get a heavy cart moving but when it's at speed it takes far less energy to keep it at the desired speed. This goes for everything.
Tell him to fill it from the hot tap on a slow feed way cheaper to heat with the boiler than electric. Put a bit of cold water in first though.
Tom , would it been better to put rolled up tire on brick wall first then put fiber glass on after it.
Our neighbors did their parlor that way but left half of the wall black the other fiber glass if ,I remember the top was black the bottom was green and safe guards on the corners to protect it then painted the black white.
Wow that brick wall needs to go awesome that is starting to look good Tom. It’s a headache but in the long run keeps birds out and cold weather out . Have you thought of cattle brushes to set on post in pastures so the cattle can brush against it.
Love to see the parlor you’re working on all done . Our neighbor has two hot water tanks incase electric goes out have one on back up.
Wow that’s shocking. The company should strip it and start again. I understand that would interrupt your parlour but honestly that is terrible and they need to either correct it or refund as you haven’t got what you paid for.
YES! Im first to watch :) Keep up the great work
Smart move on the water
How is dad getting on
Really well ☺️
So I went back to look at the sisters in wellies on your videos. I can see where some of there walls are fiberglassed however it appears that the parlor itself is lined with 6-8cm block foam. At 23:34 of the video you can see where they are joined buy a tongue and groove method and seem to be already yellow. They come in 4x8' sheets and are probably closed cell foam so they are waterproof. May be something to look at rather than the fiberglass especially since the parlor is a high moisture enviroment. Even on a arid dry wall, fiberglass will pop off of it given the moisture you seem to be having and all it takes is 1 little chip not noticed for 1 week and the moisture is in it. Just a thought. Thanks so much for ALL the videos you put out for all of us. keep me updated on the Ginger Warrior's back and his recuperation. And the best to your misses and boy!!
Need a lot of upper body strength to get out of that bulk tank same happened me I got that heat recovery some job
Oh my on the problem with fiberglass on wall. With not cleaning well ( dust)and any moisture that is held in the brick can do that real fast. Going to be a pain doing it twice. Like measuring twice cut once.
It is not only the heat from the compressor. The compressor it coling the milk in the storage tank. So the heat from the milk being cooled down is heating op the water for washing.
In Denmark vi heat op our home with the heat from the milk
Great to see your new heat recovery system , also
running compressors can cost a fortune try setting compressor pressure to as near to the pressure requirements at point of use and volume requirements this could save a fair bit on running costs ,theres no point running at 160psi when you only need 30psi unless you need high volume even then you can install big storage tanks to get round this for situations and it could save a lot on energy bills
Great vlog again 😊... How's the ginger guy doing ❤
Hi, can you adapt your other heater to work off the heat generated by the compressor units in the shop..
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Hi Tom, wall would have needed more time to dry, don’t care what it says on any label of any product, different drying time between blocks and the mortar, was fine on rendered wall because surface dried evenly. I’m no scientist with that said but if I was the resin company that’s what I’d be shouting about. Rush jobs always have these longevity issues no matter what sector you’re in, sign off the times. Place is chilly and damp for lot of the time so you’ll do well to stop that at this stage. Few warmer seasons through it before I’d even bother trying to sort it.
That bubbles is caused by efflorescence. . It needs to be stripped off and neutralised . Did you allow 28days for the morter to set ? Is there adequate damp causing to eliminate rising damp ? The list of reason for failure are endless . Good swimming pool render is the best to fibre glass over .
Good video again as always, I no longer have anything to do with dairy farming but can definitely say from personal experiences gained over the years , from both the dirty end of the cow milking , feeding etc and later in life in the supply trade that fibre glass coating needs to come off and to start again, I do not remember the condition of the brick work pre fibreglass but prep work on the surface is critical. Having seen fibre glass used in many dirty and wet situations in agriculture never mind the obvious boating world where it is used extensively. The company involved must come back remove the coating and start again or simply refund you the 8k so you can start again with a better solution. If it starting bubbling up nine days after the cows moved in then it will give you trouble for as long as the parlour is there. Also the corner strips are purely a shirt term temporary solution as they will not last long . All best to the team and ginger warrior.
I would say that the block work wasn’t fully dust free, tight external corners will always chip when knocked so the corner protection is a sensible idea though
Hi tom have you seen the solar water heater, and have you thought about a borehole.
HI Tom, You got a shout out on Fed by Farmers today👍
I’ll have to check it out !
Your best option is to put pvp panels on the wall and put a vaper barrier between the wall and the pvp panels so moisture doest escape and cause mold on the back of the pvp panels
You've been busy, strange that the fibreglass is breaking so easy.
Shear sign the walls were too damp when they went to apply the fiberglass surface. That must be so frustrating. You see that sometimes in plaster etc.
I’d be concerned the corners don’t resolve the problem of the air in the bubbles needing to escape somewhere
As frustrating as it is that the fibre glass has blown. Unfortunately as someone who has seen this happen before unfortunately Tom that wall needs to be stripped I can’t imagine the company will be happy as it will be a fair amount of cost to rectify and that cost will land on them how ever it’s how they deal with issue that makes them great. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that they sort it properly as those corners are just a temporary fix not a long term solution. Most importantly how’s your dad doing. Hope the wife and the lad are all good.
does the wall have a damp course stop moisture rising
Hi
Mary from USA.Shame your not selling bricks to allow people and fans to help fund a project.
It costs exactly the same to heat the same amount of water through the same range, no matter the range - very simple physics - specific heat capacity.
To heat 10 gallons from 5C to 25C costs EXACTLY the same as to heat it from 45C to 65C, assuming you don't have masses of heat loss (the hotter anything is, the quicker it loses heat). If you do have significant heat loss, heating anything to a higher temperature, costs more than heating it to a lower temperature - you lose more heat.
No ifs, no buts.
I was thinking the same
I'm wondering if the fibreglass was applied too soon after the blocks were laid!? Any moisture trapped behind the fibreglass could expand and cause it to blow out.
Is that a gap behind the new hot water tank where the concrete panel doesn't match the floor ???
The fibre glass boys should just do the right thing and either redo the work or at very least full refund but sadly it’s going to have to come off
If I remember rightly you were rushing about trying to find someone in a rush to get the fibreglass done as you didn’t have it organised. Obviously the company should stand by it. You rushed getting someone and are now paying the price for origination
I hope they stand by there work for you
Good to get a brief look at the goats. Any news on kids coming soon? Did Mr billy goat do his job?