SOMOGEAR vs Real Peq-15 | Is China's $250 Peq 15 "Just as good"?
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Is the compress Just as good as your military Peq-15? We put these affordable illuminates to the test to see if you should spend your $250 schmekles on one!
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I have a few of the somogear PEQ clones. A few new in box. Y’all got to shoot me a text every now and then, I would have sent you a few for keeps homie.
BUY COFFEEE!!!!
I honestly forget that we can do that for a lot of things and end up buying them all
is this free? maybe I can have some too?
Dude. Im waiting for them to get back in stock.
@@malachijamesmusic I can't find one in stock
@@grady719 thats what im sayin
People on here acting like you don’t have to re-zero your “real” PEQ every time you go to the range 😂. I carried one for years in the Army and shock, it needed to be re-zeroed regularly just like any other piece of equipment.
Yea we figured it was worth mentioning that the real ones are notorious for not holding zero perfectly 💀
Always check zero. It's almost fudd lore but I verify zero on my hunting rifle every season
@@DeskPop
Yeah I appreciate it! Folks who’ve never seriously used them think it’s similar to zeroing their red dot, but let’s be honest most of the older IR laser/illuminator designs, until recently, haven’t needed to improve in that respect because they’ve been gorging themselves on a captive audience of MIL/LEO contracts. So they were ALWAYS shifting zero, luckily in the GWOT we mostly used them for focusing on things and in CQB where that didn’t matter as much.
that’s because real peqs suck a homeless dogs peen.
Agreed, re-zero before mission was standard practice and I can't think of more than a handful of times that everything had maintained zero.
The whispering winds of **just as good** flow by and tingle
Also mad respect for outright saying "hey please sponsor us with NVs"
We are painfully honest schills when we schill. It’s not an easy job but someone has to do it.
Dude for real that was my first thought
i sold my somogear peq 15 on ebay for $270 after seeing the Brass facts follow up video about how the body cracks by the crane plug. got a 30% discount from somogear on their new aluminum body NGAL so I payed like $290 . that thing is freaking amazing ! Its like half the size of the Peq 15 and has a better illuminator and body
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Brass Facts one broke near the picatinny clamp, and isn't that part of the NGAL still plastic?
@@BigJazzHands no the peq has a metal clamp too but the body was all cheap plastic so it broke on the opposite side of the clamp where the body grabs onto your pic rail . The NGAL is all metal so no plastic on the clamp or body . 6061 alluminum i believe . plastic is fine if you use a good polymer but the somo peq15 used essentially nerf toy plastic. i had a 7000 series original Somo Peq but i believe the newer 8000 series serial number peqs use a stronger plastic now but given the choice just get the NGAL its a better unit and way less bulky
Brassfacts was also using a very old unit. They said they had a 3% failure rate at the housing and the mount. To address that, they made an entirely new housing that is nylon reinforced like the real ones. The unit needs to have a serial after 80k to get the new housing.
RUclips disregarded my selection of being notified on this.
Still gonna comment and like. Take that algorithm!
RUclips hates us recently… thank you!!
I've never had notifications for upcoming videos work well...
@@rabidtarg I bet if we were subscribed to a how to trans your kids channel, not only would we definitely get a notification, but they'd hand deliver the info.
I love my somogear. My first one mount broke and I sent it back and they sent me a new one with "updated material housing" and this one has worked great no issues
I need the SomoGear Ngal to reach my final form of silly goose
We bought them from paragon armory, which is just a cool guy from California
the NGALs are actually really really good. Im about 3k rounds deep on mine and the zero hasnt drifted at all
@@Kaotix_music clone Ngal has changed my life. No more $3k on Boxes
Good sir with that purchase you will be the pinnacle of silly goose…had to say that
Anything that is mounted on the handguard has a pretty high chance of losing zero over a relatively short period of time, regardless of cost or quality. It's just kind of the nature of mounting stuff to a handguard...
Hydra mount, keyed handgaurds have enter the chat
The jakl uses a monolithic upper unlike a ar.
@@TheCamaro5 that's better, but you're still not going to hold a precision zero with anything you mount to the handguard for multiple reasons. Material flex and thermal expansion are the 2 biggest. If the handguard is attached to the receiver and to the barrel close to the muzzle, that would help a lot, but it would mess with the barrel. For reference, very roughly, about 0.004"(thickness of a sheet of paper) movement in a sight translates to roughly about 1 MOA of change on target. The only places to mount anything for a repeatable precision zero on any ghetto blaster are: 1: directly on the barrel 2: on the receiver(not quite as good as directly on the barrel, but really really really close to it). If you're totally cool with Minute of Man (MOM) at about 100 to maybe 200, mounting on the handguard is perfectly fine. I'd firmly put lasers in that category.
@@DeskPop yeah that actually looks like the best solution if you want a laser to hold it's zero precisely and repeatedly over time. Might even be able to stretch out the laser's max effective range to 300 or 400 and keep it minute of man or tighter. Not the kind of thing I'd pick a laser for, but, it'd be cool if it could do it.
Both the NGAL and the Peq 15 can easily be modified to make the caps have a diffuser in them. Im a cinematographer, so I had some actual diffusion material laying around, used a razor blade to cut a small circle and split open the PEQ15 cap, replaced the black nub in there with my homemade diffuser and it works exactly liek a real diffuser cap (I think they even use the same stuff I used to make them). What you can do is get a milk jug and use that because it works exactly the same and repeat what i wrote above. For the NGAl its a litttttle different. The black nub inside looks like its sealed inside but its not. Youll see a seem on a front where if you push from there rear itll splt open and you can do the same thing (To mention: this is in terms of the illuminator for close range/CQB diffusion)
To the mention of guys checking zeros on real ones...yes. In the army, not only do we check zero before each use of our rifles on our lasers...we check zero on EVERYTHING. Mil guys might chime in on this because when I got out and started shooting with civilians, i noticed wed go to the range and id get ready to check zeros and they would just start shooting lol. Im like "uhhh, are we not checking zeros?" and theyd say "We do we have to do that? I zeroed this last year!" and i would have a heart attack inside hahahaha. You should check your zeros before every single range day. Proves your zero is still good and you walk away from that range day knowing all your lasers and optics are ready to go for use if they need to be used. IN afghanistan we would check zeros the day before every operation aswell
We shoot constantly and have never had a zero shift on one of our dots, but I would say that we still “confirm” zero once a month or so. Buying good quality stuff goes a long ways.
Worth noting They also take Ngal parts so if you don’t want modify anything you can just swap Ngal diffuser on!
@@DeskPop Yes they do, sadly i wasnt ablet to find NGAL diffuser caps because i think everyones buying them up for the Somogears XD
As to the zeroing comment...i should have phrased better...we always "CONFIRM" zero. Not just re-zero. But the way the army handles stuff thinking its totally indestructible...youd be surprised some guys aimpoints and ACOGs actually arent zeroed the next time we went to use them
@@DeskPopit should be noted that the real NGAL diffuser caps are about the price of the somogear NGAL lol
I guess next you need to find nigh vision for the poors next. Honestly, even if its just a single monotube or a rifle mounted solution, I'm interested to see how well it would work. The Poor Man's death trooper.
We can make Gen 2 night vision for around $1700/set
To be honest it may be worth making a video on in the future
@@DeskPopplease bro
@@DeskPopcompare that to the best digital night vision you can find
DUDE!! JERRY 31s!!!
@@pablo4yu $4000 for gen 2 night vision isn’t ideal tbh.
Also idk if that constitutes “for the poors”
I mean a real peq 15 will break against a tree. Also potted doesn't mean completely full.
Love your guys content
We try our best 🙏🏻 thank you!!
Wow! That painting on 7:44, man, so nice!
That civ A3 is abysmal at range. Looks like the somo really shows up the legit FP lasers in the ultra bright vis green.
CIV Peqs are abysmal in general. We only buy stolen goods
@@DeskPop based
I wouldn’t mind owning a PEQ-16 but the civilian equivalent is probably overpriced if I had to guess
Only $2200 😅
8:37 my boy went into raid as a scav for this one
Great video boys keep it coming, love the view everything is not perfect not even the brand name stuff.
We like to show people that we are willing to spend the money before saying a product that’s cheaper is better
The black and grey pain job on the last gun is amazing. Did you do it yourself or pay someone to do it?
thanks! I painted it myself about two years ago now, if you set it down under NV you will lose it!!
awesome vid dudes. Just subbed
Thank you 🙏🏻 we do our best
been watching you guys since the IWA m13 vid. Why hasn't the algorithm blessed you yet :(
We really mean it when we say force ur friends to watch. Unclear why we’re suppressed so hard but we just keep pushing.
@@DeskPopyou're not largely sponsored, or, part of leviathan. Which, I'm glad to see. Your bias is based on what you want. Not the whims of some agency
@@PureCountryof91 We are part of Leviathan at the moment. We also have shilled once for LAS (they gave us $250, but they make good holsters and we needed to buy a holster anyways) and tell everyone “hey we are schilling” or “we got this for free” because I think it’s important that you know.
Anyone in Leviathan saying good things about bad products is simply doing it because they lack integrity and the industry punishes honest reviewers.
@@DeskPop whoa. That's actually even worse.. there are some implications to what you've said here and iterated on products in the past. And, if anything, you guys deserve even more respect. Thank you for the content and entertainment guys!
@@PureCountryof91 Thanks man, we are seriously trying to do this thing right. I spend everything I have on making these videos and the channel is not profitable. We hope that it’ll pay off.
I put 500 rounds through my PSA Sabre with Somogear PEQ and it didn't seem to shift significantly. Indoor range disclaimer.
Maybe in this case instead of "buy once, cry once" it should be replaced with "buy once, then just buy again cause it's only 500 bucks"
I got the FMA version, which costs around the same directly from china. Its being performing really good, ive never had to re zeroed mine, but then i only shoot close distance. The only issue is the battery spring i assume, cos it flickers sometimes, all i did was use a small magnet and stick it at the positive part of the battery, and its all good. No more issues.
Rubber o ring… problem solved.
@MH_6160 O-ring didnt work for me. It further prevents contact of the battery.
Glad I got mine when ppl 1st started taking about them. Seems like ppl keep saying they’re sold out lol.
Just another data point, but where I did see issues was the parasitic battery drain even set to off, and the loose button plug
We think that was an old version, because we heard about that but haven’t experienced it at all on any of ours!
Had one for 2 years. Still working. Still holding zero. Obviously it’s not being abused but it is however being shit fairly regularly.
Best thing about Somogear is they continually improve the product. If there is gripes and concerns they normally address them in the next batch.
I've noticed this too, every new version seems to be better.
Awesome video, if you haven’t could you do a video on the best “poor man’s” knockoff NVG
Unfortunately for us right now, anything non-digital is only getting more and more expensive!!
We make less than $60/video off RUclips ads so unless we can get a company to send us the Nods it will be awhile before we can purchase them just to review. Tell your favorite companies to send us stuff 😭😂
Mike broke the first airsoft game I took it out on. Windage illumination knob broke clean off (no I didn’t over turn it) still had plenty of room to turn for adjustment,
I think I did mention my first version had garbage turrets, which is why I went to get more models to get a proper gauge of what they are. The ones we got from a newer batch are drastically different; upsettingly better quality.
@@DeskPop I got mine 4 weeks ago, used it 2 weeks ago for the first time. It broke….. maybe it wasn’t a new batch
I love fast motion Joe !!😘
POV you buy a real FP gray market PEQ for $2500 and its asshole falls out when you remove the crane plug 😵
Couple buddies and I got em when BF put the video out a year or 2 ago. They're all broken now. Mostly the mounts cracking and chipping out.
They’ve since switched to a new material, and if you reach out they’ve been known to replace them
How did you mount the PEQ to the shotgun? @8:36, anyway great vid, love your channel!
Our barrel clamp has a pic rail- you can find them on Amazon pretty easy!!
Weird random thought but the lighting at 11:31 reminded me of like the artificial lighting of like a Wes Anderson movie or just movies when they use that fake day lighting
The camera we use does great work!!
The way you mount it matters. Using a hydra mount keeps it further away from the recoil
I just like how easy it is to find my dot with the goggles on with the Hydra
Keeps it further away from the bore, too. Which is retarded.
250 dollar laser on a 1000 dollar mount
@@Random_Quads I think with military discount I paid like $500 shipped with magnifier mount
I always check if my laser is working by looking straight into the emitter and turning it on - direct eye-laser contact is the only way to ensure your laser is working correctly. 👍🏼
You can test the IR this same way, you will know if it’s on because you’ll stop being able to see!
I got a “Ade Advanced Optics Tactical Green IR Laser Combo” off Amazon for $109 like a year ago so far it’s been alright😂 holds zero from what I’ve noticed but I’ll definitely be looking to switch to one of these somogear ones because that ADE is just to bulky and the mounting screw has about stripped out from moving it from 1 rifle to another. Totally would never just switch to somogear because they look way better or anything. 👀 Real night vision vs the cheapy digital Chinese monocular I have and a real laser system would be nice in the future but to be able to see and aim at night for under $1000 is better than not being able to at all for me atleast.
JEEZ the diffustion filter is so much lol, fire video though
It’s just the way we do
Great video
how can you say its off...? you took the peq off and put it on. i never have a perfect zero after put an optic back on
I would also like free PVS 14s for *checks notes* my RUclips channel. For reviews and stuff. Yeah.
Yes we need them for reviews and stuff not for just looking at stars that’s fornsure
Think bigger; need pvs 31 and gpnvg for reviews and 'stuff'
You can make a cheapo diffuser cap for the illuminator by replacing the black plastic with milk jug
Whats that pressure pad mount for your Gucci/NGAL rifle??? Definitely makes me wonder about running a slimmer non/1913 upper rail
Their pressure pad actually comes with an M-Lok adapter so I’m running that.
It’ll also take any real Ngal parts/switches you find onljne
What I've done to mine is open them up and reinforce the potting because they hardly pot them lol
I will say the newest version of Ngal is potted extremely well
I personally really like my NGAL. It may not be "just as good" maybe it is, but it'll do until i can find a grey market NGAL or order one in on a buddy's agencies letterhead 😅
Damn missed the premier
We are here for you still
@@DeskPop I appreciate you 😘
I love the level of Larp
Why are you guys ripping off the intro from Trex but adding your logo lol. The audio is the exact same.
I bought one and still havent zeroed yet... mine also is not as bright i dont believe :( Great video though i enjoy watching your videos.🤝
How are those Kung-Fu Grips, Joe? Got me curious.
I love them, but I am also extremely partial because we well them to find the channel
Wadsn lasers are also amazing for 230 bucks
We have heard of them but haven’t gotten hands on any to test
You shot it on a pump 12g then removed it and re installed it on top of a sightmark and claim it’s off 3 click because of shooting
I think it depends on batch. Mine has held up and I know people with similar experience. Others have seen cracks
how can you check the accuracy when you dont have an actual sight mounted and you need to be resting it at 100m minimum.....you have a Jakyl piston type hence all the heat stays forward..either run gloves or a tommy grip or both
Do you guys have a link to these?!
We don’t have a fancy link but we purchased from somogear direct and Paragon Armory
Good video +3000 social credits , you may leave your home for food today.
Oh btw. Have you seen the new Hellcat? It has 15+ 1 and 17 + 1 in a sub compact format with ambi manual saftey. Like future gen mag capacity.
Unfortunately its a Springfield but I'm sure superior brands will compete or already competing.
Yay!!! China is our favorite yay!
@@NinjaofApathy If you haven't handled one, the manual safety on the Hellcats is literally useless. It's so comically stiff left and right side it can't be used.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus is there a competitor to it for better ambi safety and mag cap?
*Under $5 to 600
@@NinjaofApathy Running a P365XL with macro mags is probably your best bet. I've tried all the micros and the P365 is probably the only one that had a useful safety on it.
I spent just under 2k on my night vision set up I used the metal somogear and bought two sightmark wraiths and I never use them lol
Smart
@deskpop
PLEASE do an update about how waterproof (or lack there of) the unit may be!!!
No one is testing to see how much these units can stand water intrusion.
For the love of all that is good. Someone please test these and see if they can withstand any liquid intrusion!!!
Yea we will find out; not sure it’s worth a RUclips video so we will test one and throw it on the gram
I will follow you on Instagram too and look for it!!!
Why does this feel like I’m watching a Rick And Morty parody ad
No clue; this was a very expensive video
If a name brand product is made in china they sell the specs and make off brand version and sell it cheaper some one made a video on dots and explained this kinda hilarious tbh
Undeniably not as good as the real deal, but it’s hard to argue with $200 for a lam
Idk man, we compared them very directly and it’s pretty obviously brighter than the real deal. The aluminum Ngal is peak
I’m honestly considering one of the ngals over a “real” laser.
After seeing these against “real” lasers we’ve determined these are real lasers
Mine has held zero on an mp5 just fine. The button placement is just stupid though.
@@no-sway3709 the button placement is exactly where the real ones are
@@DeskPop right. Button placement on both is kind of aids
@3:49 i feel violated
You by chance have the website for these tryin to check one out for myself
@@user-tx5rr9wl8n paragon airsoft
NGAL? The 3.5k laser? Ouch.
When did John Carmack start a gun channel?!
My vis laser turns off everytime i shoot it once and its mounted on the middle of my block 2 m4 handguard, anyone knows why or how to fix it?
this is the first one ive heard of man, they will likely replace it
Where can i get one?
What pistol grip is that in your SBR GBRS gun??
Die free co, we sell them on our store Deskpop.Shop
But they do sell out almost immediately
This is the way
Any chance someone can tell me the brand of the pic mount they used on the shotgun?
a.co/d/jbEIx2k
I'm just going to guess, is it just as good? No, but it's good enough to maybe be worth grabbing one or two.
Lol crazy how it's for airsoft. But most if not all fields ban the lazer. Because it causes damage to the eyes that their insurance can't afford 😂. So, if it's labeled for Airsoft, it's mostly just a get around title.
Yea please no one use this for airsoft you can blind people
What is the FDE one called or does anyone have a link for it?
I say it at the beginning, somogear Ngal
Aren’t you also mounting it on different heights so technically it will have a normal shift between the jakl and the higher mount.
We mounted the PEQ and slaved it to the sightmark before shooting with it on the shotgun; we re mounted it in the same place and looked through the optic to see any shift
@@DeskPop got it, Thanks. I’m considering trying em out. Thanks for the review.
is there a mwal as good as this ?
The LA-23 is dope
It goes so hard I finally found another one and overpaid for it
@@DeskPop luckily we have an endless supply for free at work so I don’t have that problem haha
@@Pnpjb tactical acquire as many as you can for your RUclips friends 🫶
Is the rifle at 11:30 ish ejecting forward?
Yes, it’s a smidge overgassed from the factory but it runs perfectly fine so we leave it
Anyone know a website for the $500 metal one
Paragon Armory or direct from Somogear. When I said they’re impossible to get right now I meant it.:.
I have been runing and testing the somogear NGAL. Coming up on about 3,000 rounds. A number of night shoots, drops and bumps. Its hasnt needed a rezero at all. Im very impressed
whats the stock on the rifle at 14:50?
Reptilia
Is there a compatible diffuser cap that can added ?
Any Peq or Ngal cap works
@@DeskPop thanks.
Will you throw me like that peq? 👉👈
thanks
It’s what we’re here for man; thanks for taking the time to comment for us!
I think I’d rather buy 12 Somo NGAL’s than one ‘real’ one.. not that I can even buy a real one in Canada because muh ITAR
Nailed it.
Why is green laser preferred over red?
Daylight visibility; easier to pickup in daylight conditions
Always check your DOPE
that price cant be right i am seeing ngal for 3 grand most places. am i looking up the wrong product
Somogear Ngal
They’re going to be out of stock for the month because of Chinese New year
*Standing shot holding the gun canted at 7 yards with no point of reference, gun swinging around in the wind and a laser dot thats the size of a golf ball on the target*
"oh he'll yeah bro thats zeroed!"
Your ignorance is really showing here dude…
@@DeskPop How is that ignorant exactly? That could have shifted 1/2", and you'd have no idea. How would that look at 1,2,500 yards? Is it to ignorant to suggest a 5 shot grouping at 100 before and after?
@@MegaBeast18 you aren’t using an IR or Vis laser out to 2000yards.
@@DeskPop I never said 2000 yards..?
I guess I’m ignorant to the rifle world since I’m a pistol/shotgun guy but I’m just not understanding why a laser is that expensive? And why would infrared be practical for civilian use? There are so many on the market now that function very well and hold zero very well at a fraction of the cost.
These laser aiming modules are specifically for use under night vision, hence the IR. The visible laser is slaved to the IR laser so when you zero the visible one, the IR laser is also zerod. The IR illuminator helps for distance shooting under NV.
@@matthewscheels5382 sounds awesome 🤩 I suppose it makes sense if you have use for it,, just can’t believe the price point for IR
Nvg 10, Amazon Wilcox, etsy nvg 10 mount, rhino mount from eBay, ach helmet, or light with mount. Nvg for poors about 800 dollars
What grip is that on the AR at the end with the ngal on it?
Die free co.
It’s sold on our merch store (they sell out fast)
@DeskPop sweet thanks, enjoy the content btw. Started following after the jakl vid, becoming one of my favorite channels.
@@TheBmwDriverM3 thank you; we’re hoping to grow so we can keep going!
so.. the ngal somogear have same characteristics of peq15 somogear?
No, ngal is a full metal deeign
thx for sharing.. the power of green laser is the same?
Whats the general torque spec for mounting these?
As tight as you can.
Mine are probably 50-60inch pounds
*mount breaks 😅
@@thruthematch most sig optics are 60inch pounds so going with that spec should work!
@@DeskPophahahahaha
How do you like the 4t pro?
I love it. Sig giving us the option for four dots is ahead of its time, makes the 5X I have behind it much more useable
@@DeskPop I like that aspect of it for sure. Im between a t2 and 4t pro right now. Do you think it rivals or beats a t2 at this point? My biggest concern of it is durability which only time will tell and the advantage that aimpoint has right now
@@nabby119 if Christian Craighead can run a Romeo 4H to slot some dudes I feel plenty confident with my 4T pro. I’ve also slammed and continue to slam all my guns around to make sure I break anything that I can and the 4T pro is holding up extremely well
I think Aimpoint is very outdated at this point; they’re extremely good dots but there is zero “fluff” about them.
@@DeskPop awesome, I appreciate the feedback on it. I also found this video and channel in my feed randomly and subscribed from it, so keep up the cool work!
@@nabby119 that’s good to hear! Thanks for subscribing!!!
I think you need to tighten your helmet. That camera making it sag to one side bad. 😂
Most of the things are sold by the manufacturer (china) at a smaller profit, just without the famous name brand.
The markup in American defense markets is out of control for sure
Woupd be interested to hear your guys take on the Holosun peq vs these two
Holosun ironically follows the laws in output, so we expect them to be the same as other civilian legal illuminators!!!
18:30 bigfoot is behind you.
What's that tan one?
Ngal
what does potting mean?
Potting is a layer of epoxy over the circuit board to prevent shock from shaking stuff loose. It also helps with water resistance since it blocks out water from shorting it.