Unity Developers Are Scared for Their Future

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  • @Shinius
    @Shinius 11 месяцев назад +1001

    The current CEO of Unity, was the CEO of EA at the time they got voted worst company in America two years in a row (2012, 2013).

    • @JoRoBoYo
      @JoRoBoYo 11 месяцев назад +18

      😂

    • @kitestar
      @kitestar 11 месяцев назад +151

      I guess he’s running unity the same way he ran EA: like the fxxking titanic

    • @leeartlee915
      @leeartlee915 11 месяцев назад +61

      Well that explains a lot.

    • @Kronosdoesshit
      @Kronosdoesshit 11 месяцев назад +7

      That's rough

    • @SonicRooncoPrime
      @SonicRooncoPrime 11 месяцев назад +21

      Yeah, that explains it.

  • @bluestar5812
    @bluestar5812 11 месяцев назад +137

    Stuff like this makes me understand better why some big japanese studios avoid using third party engines and make their own, you can't trust these companies to pull stuff like this or deprecate your software.

    • @astrahcat1212
      @astrahcat1212 11 месяцев назад +17

      I agree, but the Japanese make their own and often exclusive due to Playstation and Switch having their own graphics APIs, and 95% of their gaming market being these two systems.

    • @T-Dawg75
      @T-Dawg75 11 месяцев назад +19

      I never understood why Nintendo has only dipped their toe into third party engines (with Yoshi’s crafted world and Pikmin 4) and primarily stuck with in-house engines UNTIL now.

  • @TheRhedNova
    @TheRhedNova 11 месяцев назад +318

    Fun fact! The CEO sold an enormous amount of shares days before this announcement - totally coincidental, I'm sure!

    • @hugenose8824
      @hugenose8824 11 месяцев назад +51

      If true, this is actually hilarious. The man KNOWS he’s being stupid, he just doesn’t care. I’d almost admire him, if he wasn’t screwing over the entire game industry in the process.

    • @EmoryIllustrated
      @EmoryIllustrated 11 месяцев назад +91

      Remember fellas!
      Insider trading is illegal!
      Unless you're above the law like a politician or Multi-millionaire!

    • @PatLund
      @PatLund 11 месяцев назад +41

      That is litterally illegal.

    • @Heiryuu
      @Heiryuu 11 месяцев назад +5

      Insider trading?

    • @CreativeWM_Personal
      @CreativeWM_Personal 11 месяцев назад +18

      So insider trading then, remind me again how any of this allowed

  • @ewoutverheij4745
    @ewoutverheij4745 11 месяцев назад +751

    I honestly have a hard time believing that what they're trying to pull is even legal to begin with, hopefully the amount of backlash this will get will overturn their idiotic decisions.

    • @joshbracken5450
      @joshbracken5450 11 месяцев назад +117

      Can't be legal. They want to retroactively apply this to deals they made with gaming companies. That is highly illegal. I don't see how they through this would be a good thing.

    • @AZTenor94
      @AZTenor94 11 месяцев назад +55

      Ah, EA is involved, even tangentially. That explains a lot.

    • @walktxrn
      @walktxrn 11 месяцев назад +28

      this is certainly legal. Anyone thinking otherwise doesn't understand legal basics. Is it STUPID yes, but also legal.

    • @joshbracken5450
      @joshbracken5450 11 месяцев назад +70

      @@walktxrn but how? You can't alter a deal you've made after the fact and then start demanding more money for individual game downloads.
      You can't alter a deal post signing in almost every case so how is this any different?

    • @ChildOvAtom
      @ChildOvAtom 11 месяцев назад

      @@joshbracken5450Unity licenses are subscription based, it is the same as Netflix or Gamepass raising prices, devs are free to cancel their subscription. It is insanely scummy, and I can’t imagine this will end up taking effect, but it is in no way illegal.

  • @ThomasFarmer21
    @ThomasFarmer21 11 месяцев назад +196

    This is really going to hurt mobile developers. The default way of fixing an error in a mobile game is to uninstall and reinstall it. If someone is having an issue with say, the game's folder on an iPhone which they cannot access, the developers shouldn't be penalized for that.

    • @HandheldGamer1991
      @HandheldGamer1991 11 месяцев назад

      Lol fuck mobile games!
      Bunch of cash lootbox gacha garbage.

    • @edowardo1353
      @edowardo1353 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@LetsPlayNintendoITAthat's still a download

    • @kusog3
      @kusog3 11 месяцев назад

      @@edowardo1353and it's not even per download but per install

    • @edowardo1353
      @edowardo1353 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@jeffmccloud905 the 12 months thing is about the games that respect the requirements in the LAST 12 months. You don't have a timer and then if you pass 200k revenue this won't apply to you

    • @snailymitch
      @snailymitch 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​​​@@jeffmccloud905 f2p games rely on having a high install base to offset the fact that individual people dont pay much. The fees they have to pay for that install base are going to be extremely disproportionate compared to the amount of revenue they actually get. People wouldnt be anywhere near this mad if Unity just did the reasonable thing and took a small cut of the revenue like other engines, the issue is that installs are completely fucking stupid metric to charge devs by because it says nothing about what their actual income is and it's extremely easy to exploit

  • @ChristopherFerguson
    @ChristopherFerguson 11 месяцев назад +637

    I fully support any dev who switches off Unity due to this, even if it means a game delay/restart.
    I also understand that not every dev can afford to do that or have enough control over their project to do that. Which sucks.

    • @aviatedviewssound4798
      @aviatedviewssound4798 11 месяцев назад +16

      Hello Godot here ;)

    • @glutenfreegames8789
      @glutenfreegames8789 11 месяцев назад +21

      Thanks for saying this. As a dev with a game in EA who has spent all day in tears over this, knowing this is the exact scenario I'm headed for (rebuilding in Unreal). It was nice to hear.

    • @ChristopherFerguson
      @ChristopherFerguson 11 месяцев назад +12

      @@glutenfreegames8789 To have the rug pulled out from you like this is brutal. I hope the general gaming audiences can understand how much of a negative impact this has, and I hope they know where to place the blame... With Unity not devs like you.

    • @stephanreiken9912
      @stephanreiken9912 11 месяцев назад +7

      If they can't change engines, they'll probably need to add 5, prefably 10$ to the game price to have a safety net against Unity.

    • @astrahcat1212
      @astrahcat1212 11 месяцев назад

      My prices just rose by 20 cents 😢

  • @Entropic_Alloy
    @Entropic_Alloy 11 месяцев назад +300

    If this goes through, I imagine there will eventually be install limits on Unity games so that devs don't go bankrupt, which will trickle down to players getting extremely pissed.
    There is no universe where this makes sense.
    This will make .exe cracked versions of these games better for devs. Because they don't need an "install" to run.

    • @jmanners
      @jmanners 11 месяцев назад +33

      After 200k downloads, I'll just disable downloads and release my own cracked version of my game. Cuz fuck Riccitiello

    • @DWGooding
      @DWGooding 11 месяцев назад +18

      @@jmanners You could actually pre-crack your own game, and release it as a physical release in that scenario.

    • @Exarian
      @Exarian 11 месяцев назад +13

      the universe it makes sense in is the one where Unity execs see their primary customers as F2P Mobile Game skinnerboxes that they can extract *juuuuust* enough from to keep their whale-hunting business model viable. No other business model is even remotely compatible with this sort of setup. That's what video games are to the people who made this decision

    • @GameBoyyearsago
      @GameBoyyearsago 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Exarian Thats Dark : )

    • @yuzzo92
      @yuzzo92 11 месяцев назад +1

      basically securom again.

  • @MilkWasABadChoice17
    @MilkWasABadChoice17 11 месяцев назад +93

    Not even the developers themselves can escape their own microtransactions. Incredibly scummy to charge developers on something they literally cannot control. Developers and publishers will direct to opt out of Unity for all new projects, and I i wouldn't be surprised if a new engine that's Unity-like comes to surface.

    • @pythonxz
      @pythonxz 11 месяцев назад +19

      Godot is close, and open source.

  • @JoshArtisto
    @JoshArtisto 11 месяцев назад +77

    It's insane that they charge by install/download. And what's even crazier is that DEMOS COUNT TOO. Unity is absolutely mad

  • @ChristopherFerguson
    @ChristopherFerguson 11 месяцев назад +306

    It might not harm big companies, but it will likely cause them to pull games from stores sooner too. Bad all around. Greedy. Bad for indie devs, bad for players, bad for AAA devs. Only good for Unity. I hope this gets reversed, because if it doesn't I forsee them becoming much less popular as an engine.

    • @TARDISES
      @TARDISES 11 месяцев назад

      "Much less popular"? It'll outright *kill* them, because this means there's literally no incentive to use it instead of learning an alternative that doesn't pull this bs.

    • @parsath_2584
      @parsath_2584 11 месяцев назад +29

      It also discourages them from including their games in humble bundles, or placing them on services like Gamepass.
      And it inherently discourages demos and trials because devs still need to pay fees.

    • @hugenose8824
      @hugenose8824 11 месяцев назад +45

      “Only good for Unity”
      Is it even good for Unity? Indie devs, who are probably the ones most likely to use Unity, will absolute flee from Unity over the next few years if this sticks around. This seems pretty self-destructive, imo.

    • @stephanreiken9912
      @stephanreiken9912 11 месяцев назад +3

      funny enough, doing the math for a company as large as Hoyoverse, this is actually several times cheaper than the revenue share they'd pay if they were on Unreal Engine.
      It mainly affects small businesses.

    • @eliescobis9922
      @eliescobis9922 11 месяцев назад +4

      Unity trying to nit destroy itself as company (impossible) next thing they would want is your ID and credit card number info

  • @WolfPhoenix0
    @WolfPhoenix0 11 месяцев назад +59

    There's a recurring trend I've noticed where one positive thing after another always gets ruined by corporate greed.
    My biggest fear here is that this "install fee" will somehow get passed onto the consumers.

    • @jmanners
      @jmanners 11 месяцев назад +29

      Riccitiello (the Unity CEO) has expressed strongly how he wants developers to lean more into monetization strategies for their games, going as far as calling developers who don't use predatory monetization practices as "fucking idiots" in an interview.

    • @drenrin2120
      @drenrin2120 11 месяцев назад

      ​​@@jmannersyeah, cuz he's a greedy sack of sh**.
      This isn't a recurring trend. Look what DnD tried to do earlier this year or how microtransactions have become flagrantly predatory at the expense of player experience over the past 15 years. This is just another normal day in corporate America where the jackals run the show and investors are insatiably greedy.

    • @MFG1243
      @MFG1243 11 месяцев назад +6

      More than likely it just means a lot of free/cheap games are going to disappear now as developers are terrified of *losing* money on their games

    • @hydrocosmo
      @hydrocosmo 11 месяцев назад +1

      Well if you had to pay extra to play Unity games no one would touch them with a ten foot pole. So let's hope they're not that stupid, I guess.

  • @omegadoodle
    @omegadoodle 11 месяцев назад +41

    I've been working tirelessly on my game for 3 years now and I feel like this is yet another cruel financial roadblock that is totally unnecessary. RIP to us indie devs out there for trying to make fun games.

    • @astrahcat1212
      @astrahcat1212 11 месяцев назад

      Raise the price 20 cents I guess

    • @matthewbadger8685
      @matthewbadger8685 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@astrahcat1212 it's per install, people who uninstall and re-install a lot (there are many of them) can tank the profits of even a high cost game, never mind an indie game.

    • @Justine-justin
      @Justine-justin 11 месяцев назад

      Godot is free, Godot is fos

  • @iamapie13
    @iamapie13 11 месяцев назад +49

    This is how you tell devs to not use their engine and move to something else. I'm a college student in Game Design, if Unity doesn't change this by the time I graduate, I'm moving over to Unreal

    • @drkreuzer670
      @drkreuzer670 11 месяцев назад +5

      Or godot

    • @taekwon4980
      @taekwon4980 11 месяцев назад +1

      As someone who trusted unity and now depends on them trust me just learn fucking unreal

    • @chistinelane
      @chistinelane 11 месяцев назад

      It sucks because, personally,I don't really like the look and feel for the games I develop.

    • @jittertn
      @jittertn 11 месяцев назад +1

      you should start building your skills in other engines, in parallel at least, and not wait to the last minute

    • @aj991
      @aj991 11 месяцев назад

      Use Godot, cuz unreal can F you too. Never trust CorpoRAT. Learn in pararel.

  • @ktvx.94
    @ktvx.94 11 месяцев назад +23

    I wanted to switch to Godot when the CEO called us f'ing idiots, but the time cost for starting over after years working in Unity kept me from actually doing it. This is the kind of crap that I saw coming, and gives me a real incentive to jump ship.

    • @adiveler
      @adiveler 11 месяцев назад +2

      Godot is rather pretty easy to learn, especially when you already have experience in Unity.

  • @manuelalbertoromero9528
    @manuelalbertoromero9528 11 месяцев назад +50

    Hold on, isn't that an issue? Many students use Unity to develop projects for their school projects. This affects them too. No?

    • @jude4581
      @jude4581 11 месяцев назад +21

      No because this only affects developers who have made over a million dollars using Unity projects (Not trying to defend Unity)

    • @manuelalbertoromero9528
      @manuelalbertoromero9528 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@jude4581 Thanks for the clarification

    • @pmintertek
      @pmintertek 11 месяцев назад +11

      No since it's very unlikely that their budget will be more than $200000 or they would need to install over 2000000 computers

    • @franliendro
      @franliendro 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@jude4581its not 1M is 200k

  • @KristalTheWolf
    @KristalTheWolf 11 месяцев назад +21

    Some info that wasn't shared: The CEO sold 2000 shares on November 6th (6 days of this). If he doesn't get looked into for insider trading, it will be extremely bad.

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 11 месяцев назад +5

      You mean September 6th? But yea, that sounds illegal.

    • @LillLizzert
      @LillLizzert 11 месяцев назад +6

      Oh god, imagine how scummy that would actually be. Sell stocks, announce this, buy them back for cheaper, then possibly "backpedal because of community feedback".

    • @Ichigo111293
      @Ichigo111293 11 месяцев назад

      @@LillLizzertI think that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.
      Pure scum

    • @ewwitsantonio
      @ewwitsantonio 11 месяцев назад +1

      Insiders sell stock all the time. 2000 shares isn't that much compared to what he likely has. He's sold wayyyy more over the past year which is far more concerning than the 2000 sold here.

    • @ewwitsantonio
      @ewwitsantonio 11 месяцев назад

      "On September 6, 2023, John Riccitiello, President and CEO of Unity Software Inc (NYSE:U), sold 2,000 shares of the company. This move is part of a larger trend for the insider, who over the past year has sold a total of 50,610 shares and purchased none." from yahoo

  • @LionOfJudah83
    @LionOfJudah83 11 месяцев назад +48

    As a person learning game development using Unity I will be switching to learning Unreal Engine.

    • @That_0ne_Dev
      @That_0ne_Dev 11 месяцев назад +1

      If I knew this was gonna happen I would of learnt unreal back in 2009

    • @f4lleng0dz
      @f4lleng0dz 11 месяцев назад +1

      or godot, regret for only learning unity on 2023

    • @Justine-justin
      @Justine-justin 11 месяцев назад

      Godot is fos

  • @Diceyed
    @Diceyed 11 месяцев назад +31

    I have a game that is to release next year and is projected to hit this, and we are absolutely livid over #Unitys use of this.

    • @ThomastheDankEngine8900
      @ThomastheDankEngine8900 11 месяцев назад +8

      You should ask for crowdfunding to switch to Unreal or another engine.
      I’m sure you’d get support for it.

  • @DuBstepAnDa98
    @DuBstepAnDa98 11 месяцев назад +8

    Minor correction, but Silksong is a full game. It was going to originally be dlc, but was switched to being a full game instead.

  • @Manectrix2000
    @Manectrix2000 11 месяцев назад +113

    I feel like if this goes into effect and a smaller development team cannot switch from Unity, a couple bad things can happen:
    1: No free demos as they are not free in terms of work and money.
    2: Price increases on those games to try and offset the $0.20 install fee. This would probably turn more gamers away. For example, a once $10 game might have to be increased to $20 to effectively pay for 50 potential installs. (more like 49 if on one device or 48 if it’s a Steam Deck game)
    Smaller devs are massively harmed by this change, and I’m hoping Unity changes either the method they get this money or get rid of it all together. I want more of these creative games! Shame Unity is morally blind.

    • @Gambit2483
      @Gambit2483 11 месяцев назад +2

      Yea, it's not good....

    • @PixelDough
      @PixelDough 11 месяцев назад +3

      Smaller devs are NOT making enough money for this to effect them. It only kicks in after you're making 200k annually on your games, and only while you're making that much off of them.

    • @Pichuscute
      @Pichuscute 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@PixelDough They are still getting screwed over unfortunately. Unity is also taking away the payment tier that most indie developers use ($40 a year), only allowing a free splash screen version or one where you need to pay $2000+ a year instead. That prices tons of devs entirely out of the engine, unless they are okay with a very unprofessional splash screen.

    • @stephanreiken9912
      @stephanreiken9912 11 месяцев назад +3

      imagine giving away 200k copies of a game to a charity event and getting charged for it by Unity.

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@Haxx1337That's irrelevant because the fee is retroactive. Who's to say Unity will not decide those pre profit copies people downloaded should be considered actual copies and charge you for that?

  • @samusismyhero
    @samusismyhero 11 месяцев назад +17

    This will have a ripple effect though. Companies might think twice about not creating an in house engine to avoid problems like this in the future.

  • @heroic_teddy
    @heroic_teddy 11 месяцев назад +40

    Not a pleasant situation by any means, but you know what IS pleasant? Seeing Steve in a video! Great to see you man!

  • @_Conzo_
    @_Conzo_ 11 месяцев назад +27

    It's the lesser spotted Steve! Hope all is going well for you after what sounds like a turbulent time.

  • @kade5
    @kade5 11 месяцев назад +35

    If you're a "Unity" developer this is a good opportunity to start expanding your skills and exploring other tools. Yes, it's difficult learning a new tool, but the most difficult parts of game development are not learning the tool and will transfer to any tool you use. Learning a new tool will also help you by exposing you to other ways of doing things, which will make you a better developer even if you end up going back to Unity.

  • @m.m.511
    @m.m.511 11 месяцев назад +8

    Apart from the stupidity of a per install fee, the scary thing is they are trying to apply it retroactively. You paid for unity subscription, accepting certain conditions, you worked on your game and released it. Now they want to change these conditions and have you to pay more than what agreed upon. It's scary and it destroy what little of reputation was left of them.

  • @CyUzi5280
    @CyUzi5280 11 месяцев назад +44

    My immediate thought is what will happen to fan game devs who aren't really supposed to make money off them. I know at least one Sonic fan game uses Unity. Namely Sonic Utopia but I know there are others that are currently more active. It especially bothers me since I have older, weaker hardware and I've found better compatibility with Unity games.

    • @JakeLT64
      @JakeLT64 11 месяцев назад +8

      Nothing because this only applies to games that hit a certain revenue threshold (for now)

    • @bluestar5812
      @bluestar5812 11 месяцев назад +3

      Sonic P-06 also a Unity game.

    • @CreativeWM_Personal
      @CreativeWM_Personal 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@JakeLT64free demos also count apparently

    • @AnthyLoneExoria
      @AnthyLoneExoria 11 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately, Sonic Utopia's creator seems to be a bigot who rants against trans people and drew stuff like a really offensive Chinese stereotype and yelling the hard R/N word because freedom or some crazy right wing baloney. It's a pity he is such a piece of work.

    • @Graxer
      @Graxer 11 месяцев назад

      Damn it! If this kills Sonic P-06 I hope Sega pick it up as an official remake.@@bluestar5812

  • @julianx2rl
    @julianx2rl 11 месяцев назад +24

    The scary thing is the fact that this is even legal.

    • @matthewbadger8685
      @matthewbadger8685 11 месяцев назад +5

      it's not. they will likely have many lawsuits if they go through with this.

    • @ThomastheDankEngine8900
      @ThomastheDankEngine8900 11 месяцев назад +1

      Unity will be filing for bankruptcy next year.

    • @GardenVarietea
      @GardenVarietea 11 месяцев назад

      ​@matthewmorris8685 Could you explain specifically how it is illegal? I've gotten so many mixed signals, from panicked people (like me) saying it shouldn't be legal, and "realist'-sounding people just sighing and saying "Nope, nothing can be done about this"

    • @matthewbadger8685
      @matthewbadger8685 11 месяцев назад

      @@GardenVarietea It's illegal because they are charging extra money from developers who have already shipped their games using a contract that did not stipulate that new charge.
      This means that they are modifying a pre-arranged and completed contract. it'd be like me selling you a car for $1000, then you buy the car for $1000, and then three years later i modify the contract to be $10,000 for that car that you had already bought for $1000.
      Obviously if i tried to charge you the extra $9000 after all that time it'd be illegal, and you would take me to court for trying to steal $9000 that you never agreed to pay for that product.
      This is essentially what unity is doing to these developers, by trying to force them to pay money for reasons that weren't stated on the contract, without notice, because the game is already out there in the market and the devs cannot stop people from installing the game and incurring that charge.
      Even if they removed the game from every store they will still be charged when people who already bought the game re-installed it.
      Sorry for the long reply, i wanted to go fully in-depth on this topic.

  • @TeamSoraPresents
    @TeamSoraPresents 11 месяцев назад +9

    So basically, what I'm hearing is that Unity's owners want to commit corporate suicide. Because that's exactly what this is; no one, not any indie developer, no AAA developer, not even Hoyoverse, will pay this new fee, so everyone will have to migrate their games and assets to another middleware like Unreal, effectively cutting Unity's reach and killing it slowly. There is no possible way this can end well for anyone.

    • @TeamSoraPresents
      @TeamSoraPresents 11 месяцев назад +3

      Also, this is a friendly reminder that Unreal 5 is royalty-free until your game makes $1M USD, and after that they only take 5%.

  • @cosmicspacething3474
    @cosmicspacething3474 11 месяцев назад +12

    Holy shit, that’s the equivalent of having to pay money for every single image you save. Even if it’s just a meme. Is this a new low for an EA ceo?!

  • @jacksonlanterns3731
    @jacksonlanterns3731 11 месяцев назад +20

    The trend of bad buisness practices lately has been so baffling. I feel it's companies and people's decisions that are ruining gaming.

    • @ZarHakkar
      @ZarHakkar 11 месяцев назад

      It's been happening so frequently it has to be more than a coincidence.
      I wonder if inflation is putting greater pressure on companies to make these stupid decisions to ensure they keep netting a profit for their shareholders.

  • @guguig9746
    @guguig9746 11 месяцев назад +7

    Very, very appreciative of videos like this one to gain a broader understanding of the industry as a whole.
    Full support to developers

  • @viewtifuljoe99
    @viewtifuljoe99 11 месяцев назад +13

    I uninstall and reinstall games a dozen plus times over the years easily so I can't imagine how big of a financial risk this could create for something you can't control.

  • @juanandrealvarezmeza6179
    @juanandrealvarezmeza6179 11 месяцев назад +12

    As someone who started game dev with unity and has a decent amount of experience with it, I feel like the engine itself is pretty good. The idea that I would have to leave it and use something else because of business stuff like this is sad, and I hope they don’t go through with it

  • @AverageDrafter
    @AverageDrafter 11 месяцев назад +3

    I'm learning on Godot. Not that I think I'd ever have to worry about licenses, auditing, and legal crap, but not EVER having to worry about licenses, auditing, and legal crap seems pretty nice.

    • @DirkTeucher
      @DirkTeucher 11 месяцев назад

      I could see myself switching to Godot from Unreal one day if Godot had better VR tools development options. Godot also still needs to get Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo support but I have high hopes for Godots future.

  • @tobdan40
    @tobdan40 11 месяцев назад +10

    I’m going into my final year at university for games development and literally every plan I’ve made for my final project is Unity related so this is incredibly disheartening, and gives me great concern for what I’m gonna do for my future, as I genuinely don’t know whether I should move over to unreal or not, as I don’t believe my unreal skills are up to snuff enough to make anything that good.

    • @illuminatiwave8093
      @illuminatiwave8093 11 месяцев назад

      3d game = YES!
      2d game = no (godot, Game Maker)

  • @pixels_per_minute
    @pixels_per_minute 11 месяцев назад +13

    For every day that passes with Unity's current CEO, my trust in the company dips lower than I ever thought it could.

    • @doombybbr
      @doombybbr 11 месяцев назад

      For every day the shareholders are not setting up a massive lawsuit to sue his ass for intentional sabotage, I lose faith in the shareholders

  • @RutherfordMRV
    @RutherfordMRV 11 месяцев назад +32

    I use Unity for my game and have been in development for the last three years and I am concerned that even porting it to another engine could be difficult and costly in the future.

  • @electricgigolo
    @electricgigolo 11 месяцев назад +27

    I've been making pixel art for a game the last two months or so and I was thinking of using Unity after messing around with it. I just stumbled across this video and you just helped me dodge a bullet.
    Thanks 👍

    • @Gecko_builds
      @Gecko_builds 11 месяцев назад +1

      Literally same here, started learning unity yesterday and now I’m not sure 🤔

    • @edowardo1353
      @edowardo1353 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@Gecko_buildsif you're just 1 day from starting, just change engine, no reason to risk

    • @Gecko_builds
      @Gecko_builds 11 месяцев назад

      @@edowardo1353fair point, better to be safe 🫡

    • @Vsn24
      @Vsn24 11 месяцев назад +3

      I find Godot better for pure 2D games anyways

    • @Gecko_builds
      @Gecko_builds 11 месяцев назад +1

      Any experience with 3D in godot?

  • @PandaMikey05
    @PandaMikey05 11 месяцев назад +10

    I already didn't love unity but I thought it was the only free 3d engine for individuals, but this led to me finding out that unreal is free now and godot has a 3d engine, so I'll probably be switching to godot

    • @drenrin2120
      @drenrin2120 11 месяцев назад

      I've been learning Godot the last few months. It has its issues but is a very promising piece of software.

    • @gxguy2906
      @gxguy2906 11 месяцев назад

      GoDot is probably the way to go. Unreal will probably pull a shiit move like this too or even worse by the time you're almost done learning it.

    • @lpnp9477
      @lpnp9477 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@gxguy2906epic may be grubby but they ain't dumb. Also the engine is source accessible, you could easily strip out anything that phones home before cooking. Unity is closed source. Getting away with this kind of shit is way easier for them.

  • @matthewmincey8822
    @matthewmincey8822 11 месяцев назад +64

    Good to see Steve back in front of the camera! This is upsetting. I understand that unity needs money to function but this feels incredibly invasive and unnecessary. Hope they roll this back and developers keep rallying against this type of corporate behavior.

    • @stephanreiken9912
      @stephanreiken9912 11 месяцев назад +3

      They could literally just ask for 3% revenue in royalties if you make enough money and still be cheaper than their biggest competitor, Unreal.
      This charges their biggest clients like Hoyoverse only 1% split, but their smallest customers with 2$ games will pay 80%, more than they get from the game after they pay Steam or Apple their cut.

    • @phoenixflambe3319
      @phoenixflambe3319 11 месяцев назад +1

      This would be better, Unreal is doing that too.

  • @DeepWeeb
    @DeepWeeb 11 месяцев назад +14

    Can't say I'm too sad about developers ditching Unity at last, the engine was always kinda crummy tech-wise (claims to be scalable but it's unstable on low-end devices anyways) and other engines like Godot which is open-source, and even Unreal have lowered the barrier of entry tremendously in recent years for both small-sized to big-sized developers

  • @bijnahonderdeuro
    @bijnahonderdeuro 11 месяцев назад +6

    If you are looking to make a 2d game, I strongly recommend Godot. It is a little trickier to learn for beginners, but you get a lightweight engine with plenty power, actually maintained tools, great documentation, etc. I haven't looked back since I made the change.

  • @IanHsieh
    @IanHsieh 11 месяцев назад +22

    Another thing I can see harming developers even harder is piracy. In the past, piracy harms devs for not paying them. Now piracy harms devs by causing them even more charges from Unity.

    • @karamelapple8007
      @karamelapple8007 11 месяцев назад +9

      Nah piracy isn't an issue unless you're a bad company
      Check out Gaben's talks about it

    • @IanHsieh
      @IanHsieh 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@karamelapple8007 It will be an issue for Unity devs here because every time someone install a pirated version, the dev are getting charged more by Unity on top of not getting paid for those versions in the first place.

  • @brady9592
    @brady9592 11 месяцев назад +7

    We are eternally in a power struggle against the greed-addled suits

  • @Nathaniel_E_Dearing
    @Nathaniel_E_Dearing 11 месяцев назад +6

    I've been working on something that was supposed to hopefully be my ticket out. The plan was to build a demo and use some of the dough from it to escape to the city. But if use of the Unity engine would drain what little cash I have rather than increase it...

  • @toby182
    @toby182 11 месяцев назад +3

    Corporate: "this is ingenious!"
    The people: *takes a big slap in the face*

  • @MarioQuinteroo
    @MarioQuinteroo 11 месяцев назад +4

    this is so wild it's like Adobe asking a fee to architects because a building they designed is going to generate X amount of money, or charging RUclipsrs when a video hits a specific amount of view. this model does not make any sense this is wild and i really hope this huge backlash makes them roll back

  • @AlphaoftheDeluge
    @AlphaoftheDeluge 11 месяцев назад +6

    Fun part is, even if they do go back on and abandon this... It's still going to destroy, or at least massively harm, Unity itself. Developers won't be willing to trust Unity anymore -- it's tried to pull this once, what's to stop it from pulling it again, time to get out while the getting's good. Unity definitely *does* need to walk this back, if only to avoid hurting devs who are at the point where they CAN'T switch to another platform. But even if they do, their popularity and usage in the industry is going to take a major hit from this.
    And then you factor in developers who work for Unity, who I've heard tried their best to stop this and were completely ignored by management... they're probably going to try and get out too.
    Wouldn't be at all surprised if this marks the beginning of the death of Unity, as a product and a company. Good luck and my most fervent prayers to any devs or Unity employees caught in the middle of this nightmarish situation.

  • @ilovecokeslurpees
    @ilovecokeslurpees 11 месяцев назад +6

    You could easily build a simple one file python script to auto-install and uninstall an application 24/7. Farm that out to some Eastern European hacker firm with no morals and they could farm that work out over a server farm, run a thousand instances of that, and bankrupt any company using Unity for their game.

    • @the11382
      @the11382 11 месяцев назад

      How much would it cost to run the farm? Low costs would mean high probability of attacks. This can easily turn into extortion.

  • @liblevi45s53
    @liblevi45s53 11 месяцев назад +6

    Watch this reintroduce maximum installation count DRM. Installed it three times? Time to pay full price to buy another copy! Since developers are being charged for installations, they'll likely try and find ways to get around it. Learning a completely different engine takes a lot of time and resources which some aren't even going to bother.

    • @Panocek
      @Panocek 11 месяцев назад +1

      Max installation count DRMs are already ancient, I remember having to wrestle with Ubisoft to get my Anno 2070 working again.

  • @maltdairy2164
    @maltdairy2164 11 месяцев назад +4

    What's to stop Unity themselves from being bad actors by having offsite bots run installs to siphon money from developers?

  • @thiago_590
    @thiago_590 11 месяцев назад +2

    At first I thought it was a per sale fee, bad as a fixed value but could handle. Couldn’t believe it was really per install, that’s just insane.

  • @HavingFunTimes
    @HavingFunTimes 11 месяцев назад +3

    So if I uninstall and reinstall Mario Kart Tour a bunch of times, it charges Nintendo money? Interesting...

    • @matthewmagnani2915
      @matthewmagnani2915 11 месяцев назад +1

      If that actually is the case, (I doubt it is.) people are definitely going to abuse that.

  • @Alpha-oo8
    @Alpha-oo8 11 месяцев назад +6

    Ah yes, nobody can just own something anymore

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi 11 месяцев назад

      EVERYTHING has to be a fucking license or a sub based model.
      And its annoying as fuck

  • @lizard81288
    @lizard81288 11 месяцев назад +3

    So internet trolls can just uninstall and reinstall said product over and over again to drain money from the devs and pubs?

  • @treena9930
    @treena9930 11 месяцев назад +3

    It really seems the industry, and it's not just Unity. Will do everything it can to undermine and cutout smaller developers. This policy won't affect AAA companies. SEGA, Nintendo, Microsoft, EA, Blizzard. They can eat the costs. They have millions to just throw away. Smaller developers, they are the ones that will be affected by this the most.

    • @the11382
      @the11382 11 месяцев назад +1

      AAA either has custom deals or they have to fight in court.

  • @syriuszb8611
    @syriuszb8611 11 месяцев назад +2

    I doubt it will be implemented in the worst version of how it looks like now. The Unity would fail. But even if they will fix all the issues, they will make it clearly per sale or revenue, it just shows once again, that high management is detached from reality, don't care about devs or players, but just about stonks. Many devs will start shifting to Unreal instead, even if they are more expensive (5% of revenue above $1M) just because Unreal is stable and doesn't pull stunts like this. With Unity, you just don't know.

  • @XenoPon2
    @XenoPon2 11 месяцев назад +5

    That's some Real corporate greed right there :(
    And basically a scam!

  • @That_Lady_Charlie
    @That_Lady_Charlie 11 месяцев назад +5

    Explains a lot about the Unity CEO dumping stock shares this past Friday (Sept. 8th).

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 11 месяцев назад +3

      Someone is going to be Naka'ed soon.

    • @That_Lady_Charlie
      @That_Lady_Charlie 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Toonrick12not soon enough!

  • @SearchmanDS
    @SearchmanDS 11 месяцев назад +20

    This whole situation feels like a shakedown. They already got the money and now they want more. It's complete BS
    Also great to see you back Steve

  • @whu13
    @whu13 11 месяцев назад +5

    To all Silksong fans:
    It was nice to be on this journey with you for looking forward to what looked like yet another beautiful metroidvania. Hopefully by the time I post this, team cherry will clarify something and switch engines or maybe unity will go back on their decision. But for now…I’m not so sure.
    It was great going on this beautiful journey with all of you and I wish every single one of you, a wonderful day.
    Sincerely, whu

  • @sebastianhampel6994
    @sebastianhampel6994 11 месяцев назад +22

    As a Unity Dev, Im just very dissapointed and disturbed with this action. Even if they roll it back, i dont trust that they wont pull something like this again. Im in the fortunate position of having a project in early development that I am planning to transfer over to Unreal in the coming days. I hope Unity reverses this, and am saddened that such a good engine has to be ruined by such a bad leadership.

    • @BboyFever
      @BboyFever 11 месяцев назад +4

      I hear you. I am in the same position. I have been an Unity dev since the start of my game dev journey, and all my games are built in it. This announcement caught me completely by surprise. Thankfully my new project is very early in development so I am rebuilding it in Unreal, but will still cost months of lost time to learn a new engine and rebuild. Still... Unity as a company has completely lost my trust. Good luck to you though.

  • @westingtyler1
    @westingtyler1 11 месяцев назад +1

    As a long-time unity dev, this unity per-install fiasco finally made me start familiarizing myself with Godot, which has apparently gotten a lot beefier in the past year. after seeing how Blender, being free and open source, went from garbage to galaxy tier animation and modeling software, I believe in open source and think it's smart to bet on a FOSS game engine like Godot, which can only improve over time, as opposed to some corporate products, which can slowly degrade (like Unity.)

    • @DirkTeucher
      @DirkTeucher 11 месяцев назад

      100% this ... open source will win as long as people keep giving back from the cash they make using the engine it will only get better.

  • @IkarosTypeAlpha
    @IkarosTypeAlpha 11 месяцев назад +3

    The CEO is basically a game industry villain at this point
    People like that need to be forced out of the industry

  • @dogsoap
    @dogsoap 11 месяцев назад

    The juxtaposition of the cheery, bubbly music playing throughout this video is actually hilarious.

  • @SystemBD
    @SystemBD 11 месяцев назад +5

    Also, as a player, I'll feel bad about installing a game in several computers (including my Steam Deck), because I know I'd be making life harder for the developers. And how can I, in good conscience, recommend masterpieces like Outer Wilds or Hollow Knight to my friends? This is an awful policy that has to be reversed immediately.

  • @rammix131
    @rammix131 11 месяцев назад +5

    I can’t believe this bru

  • @sararobison7200
    @sararobison7200 11 месяцев назад +2

    The team behind Cult of the Lamb sent a message saying they will be pulling the game in January.

  • @ProffyChaos
    @ProffyChaos 11 месяцев назад +3

    Even if they role it back three damage is done. You can never be sure they won't do it again so people will look to gradually shift to other engines, although this will take time and effort.

  • @deefdragon
    @deefdragon 11 месяцев назад +5

    relevent note, unity has confirmed that previous sales before 2024 will count to your free limit. so if you have 190k installs in 2023, in 2024 you get 10k before you start getting charged.

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi 11 месяцев назад +1

      Doesn't matter- damage is done

    • @lpnp9477
      @lpnp9477 11 месяцев назад

      Fucking oof

  • @eggroll20xd6
    @eggroll20xd6 11 месяцев назад +3

    As vague as you have pointed tracking installs sounds, there is no way this is considered an option for Unity. Larger developers will move away from the platform as you mentioned and it will die. Whomever needs to change this decision for the sake of the company, needs to do so before they find themselves out of business or a costly legal battle they will more than likely lose.
    The ONLY way I see this actually working is if the installation is somehow uniquely tracked and charged only once, but that brings even bigger privacy issues to legal precedent.

    • @Panocek
      @Panocek 11 месяцев назад

      All thats needed to be done is to forge "new installation" message for the server. And then depends how its implemented, clearing single registry key/file and running file integrity check might already count as "new installation". Heck, even if you were to introduce hardware signature, which is already sus, you can set up virtual machines, how many you like and each will be "new" installation if you want to "install bomb" someone. Which is going to be much more effective than review bombing (instead scaring away potential new customers, you WILL inflict financial loss) AND easier to implement on mass scale for little bit of business takeover.

  • @vi6ddarkking
    @vi6ddarkking 11 месяцев назад +6

    This is a bad Idea and will probably land them in court.
    Since as they are applying this to all games. Past and present.
    Many developers would on the off chance their old games had a resurgence. pay in a contract they never agreed to.
    Even if the vast majority of indie devs won't ever qualify for the fee. This is a BAD Idea and can't be allowed to gain ground.

  • @watcherTL
    @watcherTL 11 месяцев назад +4

    Figured something like this was coming when last year they merged with a company that made adware.

  • @NightFoxZero
    @NightFoxZero 11 месяцев назад +6

    The only thing we have going for this being overturned before it takes effect are some legal protections that are in place for situations like this. They also have been dodgy in answering HOW they're going to be able to track installs because that very well could be the thing that makes it illegal.
    It's like for every good thing that comes to Unity we get hit with one MAJORLY bad thing, its a very monkey's paw situation.
    I've been eyeing switching back to Unity for development with my team because I've really grown to dislike Unreal the more we work in it but we may just have to look at Godot instead

    • @dele1763
      @dele1763 11 месяцев назад

      Why don’t you like unreal?

    • @NightFoxZero
      @NightFoxZero 11 месяцев назад

      @@dele1763 It's too resource heavy even with very basic scenes which makes it difficult for some members on my team to work on from their systems.
      But the main thing I don't like about it is honestly the blueprints system. We always keep running into walls when trying to implement things that SHOULD be relatively simple but turns into a nightmare and requires us to have to find some convoluted workaround.
      Working via regular C# scripts in Unity is a lot easier and gives me much more control since you have to manually script it. Like I get that we could do C++ in Unreal but there's also not as many resources out there as there are for Unity.
      Lastly is source control. Unity having uilt in free source control for a few seats and very little headache to setup is a god-send. I cannot believe that Unreal with all of their purchases and Mega Grants haven't done anything for making it easier to work with teams.

    • @illuminatiwave8093
      @illuminatiwave8093 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@dele1763Maybe laziness ( Time unemployed) to learn something new.
      On the other hand, maybe the European Union (GDPR) will save us from this cataclysm.

  • @Xigzagamer
    @Xigzagamer 11 месяцев назад +8

    Honestly, no matter how I look at it, this is a bad change for all parties involved, including Unity themselves. What this change will bring about is people who previously used Unity abandoning it due to the cost. Free to download games and cheaper games will become unviable if said games were made using Unity and had any degree of popularity.
    Overall, I wouldn't be surprised if Unity died as a platform for developing smaller indie games due to the change. (Which actually kills the flow of up and coming developers using the platform, which would kill the platform itself given enough time. So yeah, Unity is in serious trouble if this goes ahead.)

  • @giganticmoon
    @giganticmoon 11 месяцев назад +7

    This is why I’m happy about hesitating to use Unity.

  • @StarWolf5298
    @StarWolf5298 11 месяцев назад +3

    What will actually happen is every dev (literally all of them) stops using Unity altogether and many many existing Unity games get delisted from every store front. So Unity isn't even going to be making that much from this plan anyway.

  • @btd0ja
    @btd0ja 11 месяцев назад +1

    To paraphrase Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas: “We are exploring new vectors in online harassment”

  • @DoctorDisasterDracula
    @DoctorDisasterDracula 11 месяцев назад +3

    Honestly at first I just assumed this was for game that were being purchased. Which in the grand scheme of things is still annoying, but likely more than manageable. Correct me if I’m wrong, but did Unity not have a thing already in place of Developer payments?
    But *EVERY* install or download? I’m sorry, but that’s just Mr. Krabs walking fee from that episode of SpongeBob. Like if feels like the higher ups from Unity have seen that Sonic 06 Remake and for whatever reason are upset they aren’t making money off it.

  • @OfficialDJSoru
    @OfficialDJSoru 11 месяцев назад

    To help with the popularity risk argument, David Szymanski famously made Dusk and Iron Lung, and all his projects run on Unity. Iron Lung is about exploring a blood ocean in a ramshackle submarine. Game already got a sales boost from streamers like Jerma playing it, youtubers like Pyrocynical dissecting the game and lore and Markiplier making a movie with the help of David himself. That all gave it already a pretty nice boost in popularity, but when the Oceangate sub disaster happened sales SKYROCKETED.
    Now you might be thinking. How much was he charging for the game? 20? 30? No, 5. Just 5 bucks.
    Doing the math, this gives David a low margin for each reinstall of the game and this is assuming every sale was at full price.

  • @souldespair01
    @souldespair01 11 месяцев назад +1

    8:14
    Even if they pull back on the changes, any trust they had is completely gone.
    And I wouldn’t trust them again after this.

  • @TazTheYellow
    @TazTheYellow 11 месяцев назад

    Sounds like a class-action suit in progress.

  • @McDudes
    @McDudes 11 месяцев назад +1

    I didn't htought it made any sense why Unity was doing this but then you mentioned Genshin Impact and it all started to make sense

  • @mrslake7096
    @mrslake7096 11 месяцев назад +1

    If Unity keep this model, then they should fix it to only apply to new games & change the pricing for mobile.
    and while I hate price changes, many people misunderstood & misreported this pricing change, so here is some info:
    compared to Unreal 5%, this is a very small fee for steam games, except for some mobile games & some edge cases where you're making less than 2 cents per install.
    because for any game making above 200k per year, you basically need to buy the pro license ( which was always the case )
    on the pro license, the fees would only apply when you make over 1 million dollars per year
    the fee would effectively be 2 or 3 cents not 20 cents ( once you get to the extra 500k & then 1 million download thresholds )
    most people are reporting the fee of the free plan, which if you're making above 200k per year, then you have to buy the pro plan for pricing to make sense as the case always was

    • @TheJustifiedDevil
      @TheJustifiedDevil 11 месяцев назад

      That's all good and nice for sure, but the main problem is around how they go about installs, first on the user side the fact they just flat out said they will and all ready do have something built in to check installations can be considered spyware only hanging on the "trust me bro im not taking any other info". Hell if pushed enough it might make unity games not playable in EU as they at the very least require some sort of opt out. But that aside the same "trust me bro" is also pointed at the developers, they wont disclose how exactly they count them so what stops them from counting updates, free copies or from countries that deny the data exchange, pirated games or just making them the f up, after all they are incentivized to do so and we have no way to check.
      There is just such a big window to abuse w zero transparency and clear answer to possible problems. Have a nice day!

  • @Serch_YB27
    @Serch_YB27 11 месяцев назад

    As this 200,000 threshold is more than likely account based, it could also affect game preservations as developers would actually have an incentive to de-list older (usually cheaper) games from being accessible to buy-download-install.

  • @stephen1896
    @stephen1896 11 месяцев назад

    Heard a lot about Unity but didn't know what was going on. Great informative video.

  • @swa5026
    @swa5026 11 месяцев назад +1

    By doing this it allows for people to have the "Sense of pride and accomplishment" by ether being rich and affording Unity or being able to make their own engine.

    • @swa5026
      @swa5026 11 месяцев назад +1

      To be honest of the engines I have used, Blender, Godot, Unity, and Unreal, my favorite is Unreal

  • @akeemovic
    @akeemovic 11 месяцев назад

    Unity broke my heart.
    I'm jumping back to where I left off from learning Unreal Engine today.

  • @BeanyTA
    @BeanyTA 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another thought: I'm curious if/how this could apply to Unity made games that are released physically. Given that it's a platform used by a lot of independent developers that probably won't be the majority, but since you don't have to install a physical game does that mean they skirt the fee or is there a way around that? Do updates to games and/or DLC apply to this too? Regardless, it's an abhorrent move.

    • @DirkTeucher
      @DirkTeucher 11 месяцев назад

      We don't know for sure. But presumably all packaged builds will have a built in server that will send back data to Unity headquarters about the game during the installation. So if the user requires an internet connection for the game to run then there is nothing we can do.

  • @salvadoravila8151
    @salvadoravila8151 11 месяцев назад +1

    You know it's bad when Steve takes a break from his move to talk about it

  • @chubbyadler3276
    @chubbyadler3276 11 месяцев назад +2

    Hopefully this is rewritten to where the charge is per purchase and not per install incident, otherwise I think we may be seeing licenses change to where you have to buy a game you archive again to play it later.

  • @gamefreak256able
    @gamefreak256able 11 месяцев назад +3

    I hope that with the outcry against this bs practice that Unity rolls back their awful decision. Thanks for the informative video Steve, its appreciated. However, you mentioned in the six minute mark that Hollow Knight: Silksong is DLC to the original game. In fact, Silksong is a sequel to Hollow Knight. It was originally going to be DLC, but the game got so big, that Team Cherry went the full mile and turned Silksong into its own game. Thanks again for the content, I look forward to seeing more videos from you!

  • @alldiceoficial
    @alldiceoficial 11 месяцев назад +1

    Man who could expect that the ex-ceo o ea would do this 😮

  • @Al_Pasha
    @Al_Pasha 11 месяцев назад +1

    Even if this policy is reverted the fact that they even considered it will be a huge turn off for many devs considering using Unity.
    on the bright side hopefully many more people will start using Godot and its community grows.

  • @mjr2451
    @mjr2451 11 месяцев назад +1

    Glad I’m learning Godot. Holy crap.

  • @captaindestruction9332
    @captaindestruction9332 11 месяцев назад

    I think the whole situation could be passable if all previously made games were grandfathered in. Any future game from X date would have this new pricing structure. This would allow devs to make any decisions needed for future game development while satisfying Unitys attempts at making more money.

  • @Delzethin
    @Delzethin 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'm surprised the Wario music didn't come out for the background of this one too.

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 11 месяцев назад

      Because Wario has standards.

  • @YustinJ420
    @YustinJ420 11 месяцев назад

    Good to see you back, Steve

  • @justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313
    @justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313 11 месяцев назад

    This isn't just going to affect indie devs and big triple A devs, but also fangame devs too.
    A lot of fangames use the Unity engine too, and as time passes those fangames can eventually get a boom in popularity which if this plan goes through, can be a bad thing.
    And the thing is, fangames aren't allowed to make any money otherwise they'll get DMCA'd or C&D'd. (Although depending on the IP used they'll still get taken down regardless.) Meaning if they continue to use Unity to make their fangames, they'll eventually be forced to pay the constantly growing fee just for using Unity to make their fangames instead of a different engine.
    And that type of developer can't exactly pay for something like that even with a service like Patreon for extra cash.

  • @Pichuscute
    @Pichuscute 11 месяцев назад

    They did also increase their subscription fee, by the way! Previously, you could pay $40/yr to have an account usable for commercial games. Now? They've removed that option and the next tier up costs, hilariously, $2040 instead. Yes, $2000 more than before... a YEAR...