Audi RS6 v Mercedes CLS 63 AMG Shooting Brake: Super Wagons. - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The last RS6 was blunter than Larry David, this one is said to be better. Can it handle Merc's gorgeous low-rider, the CLS ' Brake?
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My wife's been driving fast Audis for over 20yrs (S2 coupe, S4's, S5's etc) and in that time has been offered a fair few races. Six months ago she got an RS6 and the difference in other drivers' attitudes towards her is unbelievable. Now everybody wants to race, she doesn't get let out of junctions - the car actually provokes anger in some drivers. ... if you live in Aberdeen and own a 2 litre turbo diesel - please stop trying to race my wife. Thanks.
sorry
I knew it was you! .. grrrrr!
David Curry such a liar
I recognise you Jamie ... lemme think, ... ah! yes ... the traffic lights on Queens Rd, Aberdeen. .. shit! your erratic maneuvers in your Dacia Duster were awesome. ... keep up the good work, Jimbo.
David Curry It's not the car that provokes anger, it's Aberdeen itself!!
Love both these cars. Too bad they're not sold in the US because we want Any crap more SUV more than we want a badass wagon.
Yep, it's a shame that most of us Americans have such a stupid, ignorant perception to station wagons, they obviously have never seen beasts like the RS6 avant. Shame, I want one so bad. Audi should consider making an individual program where U.S customers can at least special order their RS6 avant, or hopefully one day we might get it as a full production U.S car. Don't get me wrong, I'm in love with the RS7, it's monstrous, it's beautiful, it's diabolically fast. But for me, there is NO substitute for an RS6 avant. Such a sleeper, it's a wagon after all! Come on Audi of America, deliver us some more the best of RennSport!!
unfortunately the only super wagon sold here now is the Merc E63.
Yep thats sucks.... Audi stop shipping Audi RS4 and RS6 to USA since 2009.
I love Audi RS.. because of quattro. You don't getting in BMW M or AMG.... Audi handle the road... I am surprise that BMW and Mercedes didn't introduce jet 4x4 in M or AMG...I am sure the will :)
sik59rt Not a bad one to have, even if the choice is preferable! :)
Robert Rydlewski being a audi owner myself, they arent the best handling cars in stock form compared to the AMG's or M cars. the tragic understeer really hampers it's handling. theres a reason why the other two german mfg's havent gone to AWD for their performance cars
Why does Chris make every single review of a car so enjoyable? You have thousands reviewers over there, yet only few of them can come close to the superb test drives from Chris Harris.
Audi have really done it with the styling on the new RS6 imo, looks incredible. But the CLS AMG ain't a bad looker either. Just love the way the Audi pulls, that gearbox is amazing, but I also love the muscle car esqueness and sound of the CLS, which would probably make it feel the more special car when pootling around town at 20, and like stated the Merc has a gorgeous interior. Tough choice ...
Merc of course ;)
Audi hater :P
Nah I love all Audi's! I'd have the RS6 over the Merc.
J.C VenomDrifter Just messing, love Audi RS's as well, and the S3/RS3 are two of my favourite hot hatches.
i personally feel the audi interior looks better and the feel the merc is kinda ugly, but merc does sound better and better driver car with no audi understeer
If I had to have one car for the rest of my life it would probably be an RS6
Finn Jeffrey Lol, 11 months later. I would rather have a smallef house and an RS6 than a big house and a AMG. The RS6 (2017 version is way nicer but) is just a beast,...
the 2013 and 2017 is the same car, just a facelift?
@@keywangille6089 yea
The Mercedes looks like a rockstar's hearse.
or a Rockstar's ass too
I'm a big fan of Merc, but truly going with the RS6 at this instance
Notice how he said
What transmission is going through pulling away from start and continuing
That is for a reason
Mercedes is just more reliable car
You'll be a little bit slower but more sure than in an Audi
VAG, you know, with all its technology is not that reliable
And on that note it’s”The best or nothing”
I miss you mr Harris. Cant wait for TG show.
Imho, the Audi's styling kills the Merc's, but that's just me.
yeah, but the newer facelift version, wich they did not have in this video, looks a lot better because of the new grille
It's one of those things which is down to preference in this case. I like the Audis sharp lines over the swoopy Mercedes.
Years later, no one wants the audi. It looks so outdated
Adedoyin Oluwo where do you live? In germany this is one of the most Wanstes wagons Even today
You need to see the MB in real life against the Audi.. And you change your mind easily.. ;) On Videos and pictures, the MB looks ugly but in real.. Superb, respectively outstanding.. Against the Audi
I've been a hardcore Top Gear fan since the shows new inception in 2002. For years Top Gear was in another league compared to other car programs, but I think Chris Harris one up's Top Gear. I think Chris Harris is hands down the best car reviewer in the world at the moment, so entertaning to watch, so informative, and still objective. This guy needs his own channel !
I've been watching every single Top Gear episode, but I find your comments on cars much more understandable, useful and...normal! When you say that you always drive the Merc on comfort mode it gives me the feel that this is how it should be driven. Forget about those hardcore settings on the Audi, they're just too harsh for everyday use. Thank you, CH!
I'd have the RS6. It looks gorgeous, especially in the matte grey they do for it. Saw one the other day and it really is a head turner! I also think that Audi interiors are really top notch nowadays, they look like a really nice place to sit. Can't wait to see the saloon :D
When I see a station wagon driven sideways ... it blows my head!!!! xD Great Job Chris!!!
Gimme the Audi Rs6 in Cali!!!! Cmon Audi we want speeed in America!
first bring us your great Corvette Z06 to smoke these shit AUDI/Merc/Porsche/BMW shit out of autobahn !
kubanskiloewe you what mate?!
nikolozka1 we have a problem here.
Jo Wa
haha yeah :-)
kubanskiloewe problem is you. and people like you.
I like how Chris breaks this down, especially to the end of the clip. Well done Harris, well done.
My favorite reviewer of all time.
I am so conflicted. Why can't one car company have the interior of a Benz, the look of a bmw (excluding the recent 7 series), and the performance of an Audi?
Benz by far makes the best interiors, ever. BMW usually gets the most looks from the people. Audi quattro system is just too good to pass up. WHY THE TORTURE!
I'd stir things up a bit - BMW driving characteristics with Audi styling and traction and Merc interior.
I prefer Audi interior, I have an s4 and I really love the interior
TheCocaColaManiac I prefer Audi interior, BMW driving characteristics and Merc's exterior. Did we just prove that everyone have different tastes? o_O
Beef Broth i would like to See a Audi with the Performance of a Porsche and the interior of a Bentley (and they are all from the Same Company Even they Produce Cars together but why they dont put the best of each together)
I wish there was one with Audi interior, Audi Styling, and Audi Quattro... Wait
Love my s3
Audi has been building some wonderful cars lately. This RS6 really is a great vehicle.
good GOD that Audi is fucking gorgeous
CHRIS HARRIS YOU ARE AWESOME
Thank you so much for you reviews. You love cars, and that shows. I utterly enjoy every single one of your episodes.
I personally would rather have the Benz. It's just more appealing to the eye.
appalling! yes you are correct.. this hearse was designed to transport The Munsters...
Yes, you need to do a real test between the 4wd station cars! :-)
Audi RS6, CSL 63 AMG Shooting brake 4MATIC and E63 AMG 4MATIC.
Real Rasmus ...63 , 63 AMG, 63 S AMG, 63S AMG 4MATIC Than 63SSSSS AMG 4MATIC+ against one audi.
Finally a reviewer who isn't going on about 'fun' and 'drifting' in an estate. Superb review, and both cars are superb.
And there is Chris Harris driving and enjoying both. You are a lucky man!
He is probably one of the best car reviewers I've ever watched.
Is he telling a story
The Mercs interior in the Audi= perfection
I love how you guys did the 1/4 mile breakdown with the numbers on the screen. Especially with the slow motion at first then the race. I hope you guys do that again in other segments on your channel.
Great video Chris Harris. I was completely blown away from that great detail given on the comparison of these two great cars. Good job
I think the Audi is a little bit better than the CLS! :-)
@tom lewis fuck you bro
The Audi is better indeed, more logical for daily life, 4wd and insane transmission. But you just can not ignore the Merc, better sound, quality and, in my opinion, design. That Shooting Brake is gonna remain in my heart as the loveliest wagon ever.
@GT Suryateja No he doesn't did you even watch the video u moron
I swear, America would love to take these cars over any more stupid, useless crossovers. Please, we beg you Europe. Help us out..
+Michael Tarantino These cost over 100.000$, i doubt everyone can afford them...
+Daumex I meant the fact that they're wagons.
Only if you share some of your guns....
I have a tt 3.8 Juke R that says you are wrong about crossovers chief.
@@iamcyberpunk68 you do realise, that "your" Juke R TT 3.8 has never been a production car, but only a concept car?
So no matter how you put it, you don't own one.
I would never be able to drive any of these cars but the show is brilliant. And I've watched every single one.
Rs6. Are insanely awesome
Awesome vid I love the audi because it's looks and performs better than the Mercedes.
and Merc forever for me :)
Buddy of mine has the old V10 RS6, and that car is a freaking MONSTER. This new one looks positively mental.
of course that motor comes from the lambo gallardo it better be lol
web development ya It's the other way around, the lambo is using engines from Audi.
You are of course spot on. I completely forgot the RS7 was replacing it. Cheers.
Chris Harris > all versions of Top gear
I kinda agree, but TopGear aren't trying to be good. They are just out to have a laugh, Chris Harris wouldn't make a good comedian, but he makes a hell of a car reviewer.
Simple. Because TopGear wasn't always trying to be funny, its really only developed its funny side in the last few years. It used to be a serious car review show - as Chris Harris's segment is now.
Except that his show has less than 5% of Top Gear's budget!!!
Aaron Cole Yes agree , TopGear wants to be funny but isnt even that. So i like Chris facts and arguments for all cars he is testing . Thats more important for me than looking for anything funny. In that case i watch comedian :-)
Watch the review please!
one day i'll buy a C5 RS6
Joe Barbaro C7 RS6 with an engine from the C6 would work for me best :D
+Ryu Makkuro Only if said C7 RS6 doesn't have the spoilers, flaps, logos, etc. It's not just the bigger and more powerful engine that makes the old RS6 nicer than the new one. You couldn't distinguish the old RS6 from, say, a 2.0 TDI. That's part of the charm of the car. The new one looks too brash for me.
***** exactly. The only visual difference between a regular A6 and the RS6 was rear parking sensors, bumper, exhaust tips and the huge rims.
Joe Barbaro And the tiny badges. But those were surprisingly hard to distinguish from Quattro badges in the front grille, and the name of the engine (e.g. 3.0 TFSI) on the bootlid.
But seriously, parking sensors?
The biggest giveaway was always the grill and wheel-arches.
Next time use CLS 63 AMG S-Model Shooting Brake. 5.5 Liter V8 Biturbo Engine Max. Output: 430 kW (585 hp) 0-100 km/h: 3.7 s
That's the best comparison drag race I've ever seen.
10:10 Quattro Performance right there, i heard a lot of guys saying that audi underrates the 4.0 TFSI engine.
+vivalaphill Quattro the best:)
+vivalaphill Yep, they severely underrated both the RS7 and S8 according to the dynos.
Derek Ferrell german understatement
Derek Ferrell
You wish;)
+vivalaphill Yeah one way or another VAG is always underrating the output of their engines.
Please we need BRABUS here...
Evotech
Damn Chris Harris, Y U SO GOOD?!?!
Honestly, this is the most unbiased review I've seen. So well detailed, yet straight to the point. Amazing!
No doubt about it Chris Harris is the best automotive journalist on the planet.
Mercedes CLS 63
GO Audi! GO Audi! i love you
i bet u'r wearing a pink polo shirt and pink socks
bang! :)))))))))
nah not even close :)
Alexander Stokholm I'm with u dear
bang! Bet you have no friends :)
Another brilliant episode. The camera work is getting really impressive. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Mr. Harris, for your return.
375 merc owners are mad!
Audi is better hands down! Get MTM upgrade and you'll get everything between 700 and 1000 hp from it.
kola252 Yes. please bring it. The difference would be bigger for Audi.
***** 4wd also make's car slower because it's loose more power. Audi would be even faster if it was against that 4 matic. From start 4wd is great but when you get grip in long race like here it just slows you down and rwd will have the edge. Merc didnt catch Audi when it had grip and Audi was just pulling away so 4 matic would lose even more because it loses more power from wheels than this rwd.
***** Still you didnt understand. Off course Audi lose more power because of 4wd like all the cars with 4wd. But CLS 4matic loses more power than RWD CLS because of drivetrain power loss. 4wd is useless when the car have grip (exaple speeds over 100km/h)and it will only make the car slower and heavier. Thats the fact.
This is info from the CLS:
"The 4MATIC system also adds 154 pounds, and there are power losses."
4matic is slower in 1 mile drag race than CLS RWD because RWD would overtake it in second half of the mile. Audi was pulling away from start to finish and it will pull away more from 4matic because it is heavier and slower than CLS rwd. That is just simple truth.
Yes. CLS is great and fast car, but RS6 is faster.
And when you say AWD will allways beat RWD is bullshit.
BMW M4 GTS(490hp) beat the shit out Gallardo LP 570-4(560hp) Superleggera, Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991)(500hp) or Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II)(600hp) in Nürburgring Nordschleife because of high speed corners and straits where 4wd just slowes you down.
+Flyingtom80 mate, the Merc is better and faster it just leave it yeah
Mrscoz03 Yeah and santa is real.....
In all fairness though, how about getting the 4Matic version of the CLS63 AMG and putting that against the Audi, I think that would be a fairer test.
***** You care to explain why?
***** How come. It divides the power up between the front and rear tyres nicely (I forgot the exact ratio). it gives you a lot of extra grip. it's useful.
***** Yes it is usefull. There's a Reason the current CLS can go from 0-100 in 3.6 seconds. Du to 4WD and Traction control and launch control.... Stop being a fanboy.
***** Could you belive it? I am infact enjoying it everyday. Lastly it is a multi purpose vehicle and not a feature i'd miss out on! It's not like you make skids in aplicable driving anyways. So what experience are you teaching me from? Tell me about your car.
I pref rwd too. That's were Mercedes-Benz soul is at. But really if you've tried 4matic with 585hp is pretty dang cool.
The front end on that on that RS6 looks so so so good.
It's a 4-door coupe, the CLS pretty much started that trend. You now have BMW and Audi doing the same thing with the 6er Gran Coupe and the A7 Sportback respectively.
SICEM_Rex the coupe version of the cls looks amazing better than both of these. In wagon form it looks a little
Odd
yay the massive beard is gone! :) now let's watch the rest of the video.
On second watch of this video, it really looks like the Merc drives dead people in the back. Wow, is that a hideous wagon from rear doors to the boot!
the rs6 embarrasses the merc in the looks department. I'd choose it on that alone, the fact that its faster and awd is just a bonus.
who's watching in late 2017?? Dunno, still one of my most favourite comparisons of all times! And that RS6 is just a monster....
Mr Harris, you're getting better, and better, and better..
I do not think "Shooting Brake" means what AMG's marketing department thinks it means. Four doors - that's a wagon dummkopf, not a shooting brake.
A shooting brake is in today's terms used to describe a high performance wagon/hatchback I.e. CTS V Wagon/Ferrari FF
now the new CLS is out..........BRING IT ON AUDI!!!
it didnt lose because it was too old, it only lost because it was 2wd vs 4wd:)
wellthe new CLS63 has 4Matic now it is gonna be a proper race :D
We are living in a golden age of automobiles. I only hope that when I am able to afford a car like either of these, they're still around.
'argument x [...] so we need to drag race them..'
priceless
It doesn't matter how fast this Mercedes is - it will always look like a hearse
....it's an estate wagon, sooooo.....which one do you have more confidence in with your wife and children in a severe motoring accident??
Volvo V90:D
I will go with the Mercedes... I'm not as confident in Volvo as the safety flag bearer as I used to be and that's not one of the options here
Take a look at the night vision Audi vs Merc vs bmw.. Audi & Merc are pretty close, but Audi wins. Bmw isn't worth even mentioning lol. For me Audi & Merc are the best but i choose Audi.
the night vision win Mercedes
Paul Stefan remember my question is centered around if the crash actually happens and it's a big one. yes, night vision is great for crash avoidance, but I'm thinking more of the idiot that runs the traffic light and hits your wife and children in the intersection....which one do you trust to preserve them??
Chris is probably the best reviewer there is
Harris > Clakson
Great journalism, great entertaiment ! Keep it up Chris !
CLS63 AMG 4matic Shooting Brake would be faster than RS6. Same weight and 25hp more.
www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/cls-class/audi-rs7-vs-mercedes-benz-cls63-amg-s-vs-porsche-panamera-turbo/ cls63 s model 4matic even loses
Or just E63 S AMG 4matic :)
Nope...
But lower transmission efficiency because of gearbox and Multi-plate clutch differential
no.
Audi's are phenomenal, best cars on the road.
Great test. I love the way he presents these two cars... Well done. And I really want an RS6... what a car!
Is it just me, or did I just watch a perfect video made for gearheads, by gearheads.
I tip my hat sir, well done!
I'm getting an RS6 as soon as I win some lottery jackpot!
Iv always been an AMG person, but if I had the choice I would get the RS6, not only is it a better all-round vehicle, its much better looking than the AMG. But I do believe the AMG sounds better (as always) and its definitely a better drivers car than the RS6!!
RS6, once fully optioned, nudges AUD300,000.
Sigh.
+SIMcityplayer2002 too true!
Mercedes costs even more.
mercedes have more equipment
rs6 is might be a better car but i'd take cls. it is so beautifull and so rare i simply can't resist it.
The acceleration advantage from the Audi comes from Audi being very generous with power in this car. When APR measured it before tuning it, it put down 582 hp and 563 ft-lb (762Nm) of torque with 93US/98EUR Octane. So its got slightly more power and slightly more torque.
Since i have not seen any Dynos of the CLS i can't tell for sure if its got its exact power rating or has as well more power and the transmission really loses that much time shifting gears.
Just a try to clarify a little more and bring in a new view on the results.
Audi!
m cars and amg i think are more special
Really sucks that Americans don't like wagons and would rather drive crossovers. I want a good Audi wagon so bad but all there is here is A4 Avant, or Allroad. And none in manual. Americans never embraced the wagon so now all of North America suffers
Well, we have Cadillac CTS wagons. But your comment is accurate.
Cant you order what you want there? Just do it man! You wont regret it! :)
I have a 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback Ralliart, and I am in love with it. Wagons for life! Even here in the States!
What about the Mercedes E63 AMG wagon? They sell it in America.
Spot on vid. If you want to go fast and safe go Audi, if you're able to dance with your car go Merc.
I really wish Chris would still do videos like this one...
Dear Chris.
I follow your channel from Denmark and I can't help notice that you again and again complaints about prices on cars these days...
Why don't you do your next auto test I Denmark where I live and try to explain the prices on a new car over here. .. an new Audi RS6 cost you 90 grand you say... you can save up 200 grand of you want to buy it in Denmark. ...!!!!! The exact same car..... The Danish government take 180% in taxes on every new car sold I DK. !!!! Plus 25% WAT. !!
ja sådan er det sgu desværre
that's fucking ridiculous.
No not quite correct.. it's a 105% for the first 80500 dkr..the rest is 180%.. But ok, it still SUCKS..!!! Now before you got to pay this fucking shit high taxes...you got to earn the money first..and of course pay income taxes of them. So would it be wrong to state that the idiots in the danish government demands 300% tax on every damned car?? It's fucking criminal..!
If you think that's high... Try moving to Norway.
This is what you get from voting for a socialist government/communist.
RS6 Rules.
he is making a name for himself he is a very damn good reviewer
Still take the CLS AMG as it has the engine, the look, the sexy interior, the rwd. You can only have so much fun in the RS6. Something about being able to lite the rears and hear that deep V8 tune.
You buy a mercedes to arrive in style, you buy an audi to be a boy. And honestly there is nothing wrong with either! Both companies are experts in what they do and make top notch vehicles!
BMW well sucks dick, cheap plastics, cheap feeling leather, awful reliability.
Audi all the way.. It's the best car in the world. A supercar for the family.
audi is the worst car in the world with many problems. ..and until now nobody declaret the audi the best. ..but Mercedes did
in ur beautiful Dreams that vw shit is no1
im not english my friend thats why...
vegass04 ㅠ
Thats just super stupid
You had ONE JOB /drive... bring me Chris Harris every Wednesday...
Amazing review. Superb presenter. Objective breakdown of the most important part: the drag race.
The Mercedes has a stupid foot operated brake.
that is the handbrake in the older mercs... its all electric so the foot pedal is gone :(
problem is merc driver !!!!
Hello Chris, you are by far the best and most entertaining car reviewer on both sides of the Atlantic, my only complain is that we do not see enough of you reviewing cars which is a shame. Can you please do a review of the Audi RS6 vs the Merc E class AMG, i know you said the CLS Shooting brake is a better comparison due to its size similarity but in the real world the E class is the natural rival and it would be nice to see a comparison done by you. PS try getting a white audi RS6 for that one
Guys you really deserve a billion likes!!
better than top gear now
If I had the money - the RS6 would be my definite choice, the Merc is like a porn-club inside with all that white leather .... the RS6 is just spot on, and it EATS tarmac like no other estate >.
Hot wagons rule; all other cars drool. Chris, love it, keep it up. Now, just need to to move to Europe.
u just cant argue with chris harris
mercedes looks the best audi is the best
Nothing is better than Audi
I like your argument about the awd in the audi in the rain, consider the places such as Canada that gets ice and snow and the audi takes the merc hands down in daily driving in the land of Hockey, Rye and Maple Syrup, awd is a must have for myself here in Canada, as I cant afford the audi I can only have myself a Subaru.
It's a Mopar from Stuttgart. Well said. How can anyone choose this over a Quattro? Have you seen what it does in the rain? Yeah.
mercedes, they just keep looking uglier and uglier every year!
+AntiKoerper5 You should check Audi latest car history very ugly. I am not a fan of Mercedes either
Na looks better and better just an awsome awsome Mercedes Love them
+MMA420 Typical Mercedes fan response! 😂
r you OK.
in ur dreams...if dont like u dont mean its ugly..maybe ur ugly too. .. but somebody like u...understand...the tastes are diferit. .
The merc looks like shit...
+kola252 Im not an Audi fanboy, i like some of the Mercs just as much as some of the good looking Audi's. But the Merc wagons just look really bad.
+Isak Källdalen The CLS Shooting Brake (and the CLA SB) are rather controversial designs. Either you like them or you don't. From some angles, they're beautiful, but from others, they're quite out of proportion. Personally, I like the CLS SB, though not the CLA. You don't like the CLS, and there's nothing wrong with that. You're indeed not a fanboy.
Dirty Arab that's my cousins car how dare you
well the rs6 looks like a VW Jetta v10 wagon?
FEGTTTSDH the CLS looks like it melted towards the back of the car
What a lovely skid Mr. Harris.
a beautiful piece, top notch as always, sincere direct and informative while entertaining, really like the editing and the videography sometimes spills into sheer sensational.