‘Keeper of the Ashes: The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders’ | Trailer
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2022
- Three girl scouts are murdered while attending camp. ABC News embeds with law enforcement, and the girl who stayed behind that day, to reveal who did it decades later. Streaming May 24 only on Hulu.
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Kristen Chenoweth slows this documentary to a crawl whenever she floats onto the screen. She has absolutely nothing to add to the narrative. I kept wanting to shout "move out of the way."
THANK YOU I wanted to hear from the girl's families, the police, journalists etc not some random actor woman who wasnt involved in the slightest
@@smilesxo06 It's so weird to see a documentary that trips over its own feet by indulging a character that had no bearing in the events that unfolded.
Although I don't mind KC's' presence in the documentary per se. I don't think it was used to good effect. She doesn't really have any direct connection to the incident, and it might have been better to have her simply narrate the story without the melodrama or interview girls (now women) who actually were there. Having her teach a random voice class was pointless and irrelevant to the story.
@@documentmedic9385 I think it was in very poor taste.
Kristin Chenoweth made this documentary almost too cringeworthy to finish. Hell, I'm almost more closely associated to the murders, and I was born in 1994. The sheer amount of information in the story that could've been told here rather than listening to her go on about something that she had almost no real association with, watching her walk down the school hallway grinning from ear to ear is sad. The amount of self-promotion here was almost douchey, especially with that finishing number she sang.
Thanks for saying this. So the only association she (Kristin Chenowith) has with this case is that she’s from the area and she attended school with one of the murdered girls. Yeah this documentary could have done with out her. And this is ABCs way of making a story out of nothing by including her in it.
I’m so glad they haven’t given up to find the monster who committed these murders.
These sweet angels deserve justice.
The murderer is known. His name is Gene Leroy Hart. He was acquitted by his Cherokee tribal friends.
My family owns the property where the camp is located. Thanks to Hulu for being a partner in this documentary. Rip to the Three.
Stop the cap n get a life
Where are the Woodward family? I used to get babysitted by them at this property. I spent 3 years on that land. There are a lot of missing pieces from the story. Cops were blind to a lot of other people and evidence. They were just on a manhunt. It was chaos.
I'm not thankful. I didn't have Hulu, I was prevented from watching. Everything is always about MONEY. Not people.
I heard that the property is a national park now. If that's true, who would want to go there?
@@susiearviso3032 it is not a national park. Don’t know who’s saying that, but yeah.
My precious aunt Denise 💕
I love you forever ♾
Why is this lady even apart of this show? She didn't go on that camping trip and she didn't know the kids that were killed, she just lived in the town were it happened.
I remember my aunt told me about this. Very tragic and very heartbreaking.
Chenowith's involvement in this documentary is not only distracting but appalling. Her constant slow motion B-roll shots and trying to relate to these family's tragedies by implying it could have been her had she had gone to camp. She didn't go and that's where her story should have stopped. But, she continues to make every episode about her. Very tone deaf and nearly ruins what would have been a good documentary.
I know right, had they actually spent the ~40 minutes of screen time they wasted on her and actually covered the evidence in the case it would've been a better recap of the case. Sadly this updated documentary didn't add anything new to the overall story and did a worse job than the 1995 documentary which had half the run time this one did.
Honestly kristin chenoweth had no reason to be in this documentary, she ruined the documentary, all she did was turn a tragedy of three young girls and made it about herself, she wasn't even there or know the victims. It was absolutely disgusting watching her boast about her achievements and her fame and also act like she was traumatized by the event. Absolutely disgusting and disrespectful to the actual victims, their families, and to everyone that was there that worked on the case. She added nothing to this documentary except make a fool out of herself.
I just wrote something similar here, befor i saw your comment.Yes, that woman is just there for her own moment of fame.Really disrespectful and it was a pain to see her playing the drama.Besides her, it was a very interesting documentary but that woman and her squeeky voice, is very misplaced there and annyoing to watch.
I have never even heard of this Kristin woman but it's clear she is making this all about her and not the victims. She's just some weird, aging drama queen who must feel forgotten in life. "It could have been me.....". It wasn't so STFU. It was 3 other children and their families so show them some decency.
I just wrote about this then saw your comment. I can't believe more people aren't complaining about thsi - it was really distasteful and all that singing at the end...?! Like actually genuinly shocking what bad taste it was in. It would have been a funny joke if it was in some satirical movie of Family Guy epsiode but this is real life! Jeez!
Cheesy documentary. Mostly because of Kristin Chenowith.
I believe it’s key to have an open mind. Many of us were G.S. that summer & went to overnight camp. God bless Kristin for using her popularity to highlight this case of innocent young women. 💚
This is an important story but it's legacy is undermined by the narrator. Please!
Does anyone know where we can watch this in Canada? Hulu is not available
I am watching this on Hulu.....I graduated high school in 1977 and don't recall hearing of this horrific crime...I was a brownie, never made it to girl scouts, never went to summer camp, but I honestly can say WTH did they not have night patrol....even at a campground there is night patrol.....or at the very least several guard dogs for the camp........RIP to the 3 beautiful little girls..
Watching that blonde lady shamelessly promote her career during the 4 part series is disgusting and borderline infuriating.
Having her in the story added nothing to it, except an advertisement.
I wish I could "love" a post. Thank you. A plastic person promoting a plastic career telling an absolutely tragic and horrific story.
Some adds say she goes back to her hometown. Bit of a stretch since she’s apparently from Broken Arrow.
100% agreed! Shame on her and her ego.
I have family from Locust and I lived there for a short time. I was there when they were searching for Hart. Haven’t seen this Hulu version yet but I recommend reading Someone Cry For The Children. I went back for a visit a few years ago and told my son the story. We drove by the former camp. Let’s just say a sign had a pretty good warning for trespassers!
I have no idea why the blonde with the child's voice was in this documentary. She added nothing to this story and distracted the storyline with stupid comments and video of her pony tail for no reason. It really was a disservice to the victims and the story.
Heartbreaking!
I was pleasantly surprised at the ending to such a tragic story. Kristin Chenoweth singing with one of her students at the end was so touching. You will cry. If I had known about this story, I wouldn't have let my own daughter attend overnight GS camp.
This documentary is very good except for the Kristin Chenowith parts. She didn't even know the three girls and she acts like she grieves about it everyday. There are actually scenes where she walks in the woods, lovingly strokes the trees and "cries" because it's just so emotional for her. That's when I remembered that this is a Tony award winning actress and boy does she know it. I don't know what is worse, her fake tears or her fake southern accent that she lost decades ago.
Thank you for highlighting this issue I thought it was really distasteful her singing pointless her being in the story
That woman really ruined this Documentary with her bad acting. Maybe she was hoping to be discoverd by Media.
😂😂😂 I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking this. Like I read in another comment thread someone said it would have been better if she was narrating this documentary instead of putting her own input.
I remember these outfits and always love going on trip when I was little but praying for the family
Does anyone have any information on who is singing Leaning on the Everlasting Arms S1E1. And no Shazam does not pick it up.
Thank you for any help!!
This is such a haunting story that my mind comes back to every now & then. My heart breaks for Doris, Lori, & Michele; the innocence of going on a girl scout camping trip only for that experience to turn into a real-life horror movie. Even more heartbreaking, Doris didn't want to go & wrote back to her mom about wanting to come home.
The only thing about this doc that feels out of place is the slo-mo shots of Kristin Chenoweth getting out of cars, walking down hallways, hair blowing in the wind as if she's shooting a music video. I understand her connection to the story, but quite a few times throughout, it reads as grandstanding & quite distracting considering the gravity of the story. Let's keep the focus where it belongs, please.
OMG!! I thought I was tripping!! This lady thinks the documentary is about her escaping death!!! TF ASAP!! I at least thought the lady knew the girls talking about she saw one of them in the hallway and waved maybe. And I think maybe Doris didn’t want to be there because she was black and they didn’t play with or treat her fairly the girl wrote it is awful!!! I mean damn!!!! But I’m one to believe that everything that happens in life is already our destinies from the beginning! Im sure there deaths changed the trajectory of a lot of lives. And that makes these girls hero’s not victims make no mistakes of that!! RIP GIRLS!!!
While it might be true that KC could have been placed in the tent with Lori. Michele, and Denise had she gone to Camp Scott that summer and perhaps she does actually feel the feelings she described in the series. I have a feeling that there are probably several girls who could have been the "fourth girl." In one account, i heard of a girl who was supposed to be assigned to Lori's, Denise's, and Michele's tent but wound up in another unit because of a clerical error. In another, I heard of a girl who actually moved into the tent with them because there was no room for her in the tent(s) her troop was camping in. However, after she moved into their tent, the Camp Driector came and told her that her troop had figured out an arrangement that would include her being with them, so she moved back in with her troop. To me, KC's role feels exaggerated for dramatic effect.
Yeah I thought it was just me I went to watch it the other day and i thought why is this lady even there it was like I’m watching this documentary of these 3 girls and I just couldn’t understand the reason for the blonde she kinda took away the seriousness of these murders and shifted it onto her. I don’t know totally not needed I was 10 in 77 and my mom sent me to camp every summer up until the age of 12. With all the technology I hope these girls and their families get the much deserved justice.
I was waiting for the moment that would reveal what this woman actually had to do with this story since I am not American and had never heard of her. All the parts of the documentary WITHOUT her were good. Make some other documentary about all the other experiences she didn't have that haunts her every day. Yeeez....
I just finished watching it in Disney + and really thought her connection to the story was so relevant because of the way her shots were taken, only to find out that she's not even close friends of the victims
I saw this on Hulu and I damn right cried when I saw it. I hope this case gets solved
The murderer is known. His name is Gene Leroy Hart. He was acquitted by his Cherokee tribal friends.
@@Chielz0r Omg it got solved finally
@@brianna-reneejeanjordan9160 I don't think there was ever any doubt really..
Sad story, decently put together documentary however... It would have been better without Kristin Chenoweth in it, it felt more like a publicity thing than authentic.. And it ending with her singing a song on stage, plugging her music.. Come on!
This blone woman is kind of disrespectful in my opinion. She was just booked to the camp but could not go because of an illness.so every other girl,who was in a tent next to the crime scene,has more connection and bonding to this tragedy, as that random woman.She is just using this tragedy to her own "1minute fame" walking around at the crime scene like a dressed up Barbie. She has no more connection as everybody else in the town close by but gives a show,as she was with the girls in the tent that night. Shameful...
My grandma knew Denise and her father...Remember her telling me how excited Denise was to go. Definitely a sad case.
I'm sorry, but Denise did NOT want to go. Her mother encouraged her to go, saying she would have a good time. The first night when Denise went to camp, she wrote a letter to her mother telling her that she did not want to stay at Camp for 2 weeks. She said she wanted to come home, and asked her mother to come & get her.
@@susiearviso3032 yeah I had my gma retell me the story when we were camping and I got it mixed up
I reamber my brother told me about this and I feel so bad for those girls I was also a Boy Scout now and when I lived in Texas we went camping in Oklahoma it was near locus grove and a scout friend told me about this I didn’t believe him until now so thanks for whoever told me this
Kristin Chenoweth has nothing to do with this case. It's self-promotion at its tackiest and docu-filler at its laziest. Her commentary should have been left on the cutting room floor. If you can get past her self-absorbed commentary, it's worth a watch, but would've been so much better if it had been more focused on Denise, Lori, and Michele- You know: the actual victims this case is about.
Thank you! Glad someone said it.
I used to get baby sitted by the owner of the land of this camp. I wish I could get in touch with the Woodward family. There's a little more to the story than what was in the video. ABC news needs to talk to more people that were there.
There was someone that commented who mentioned their family owns the property now. Might be worth you getting in touch with them & the authorities if you know something.
was the woodwards rich??
@@thegrandcanyonisegypt2489 no
I think it's so sad and disturbing to know that one of the counselors literally heard the sounds of someone being murdered and decided to just flash the flashlight in the area a few times ...I'm thinking she did it one time, but she wanted to act like she did multiple times just to help her conscience. If you heard something like that you should go investigate knowing you have a shitload of kids in the area. She could have literally saved multiple lives and caught the perpetrator. It's disgusting that she even wants to get on camera.
Carla Wilhite heard the sound about an hour or two before the girls were believed to have been murdered. There is no proof that the sound she heard was anything more than a wild animal. In fact, based on her description I'd guess she heard a doe grunting. The OSBI, in particular the Wilkerson brothers, tried to link the sound she heard to Hart's 1966 case, but when under oath the women in his 1966 case never once mentioned him making some strange or animalistic sound.
@@notsure4878 I highly doubt that, she knew something was wrong and even cries to this day and knowing that she could have helped more. You can tell the difference between an animal and a child screaming and grunting for her life. Not to mention she did it multiple times because she felt like something was wrong
@@magical8013 The girls were murdered between 3:00 AM and 6:00 AM. Carla Wilhite testified that she heard the noise between 1-1:30 AM and in the opposite direction of where the girl's tent was located. She described the sound as a mix between a bullfrog and a foghorn.
Not sure why Kristen Chenoweth is part of this - she just happened to not go to the same camp. That’s where it ends. Unfortunately it seems to centre around her and takes away from the true horrific crime and the empathy to the FAMILIES affected.
Not to mention her other claim to fame around this case is that she went to school with one of the murdered girls but wasn’t friends with her but just said hi to her once or twice in passing.
Please stop getting plastic surgery!! It is aging you not making you look younger, I am not trying to be mean it’s just really bad
I was never a girl scout but I remember camping at a Girl Scout camp and hearing about this. It was around the same time. Scared me.
Just finished watching this Hulu series. There are several things that intrigue me about this story, questions that keep nagging at me. I keep going back to what Denise Mulner's mother said about Denise, that she'd been excited to go to camp up until the morning that she was supposed to leave. "I've changed my mind; I don't want to go to camp. Mama, please don't make me go." That just nags at me. Why didn't she want to go anymore? Had someone at girl scouts made her uncomfortable? Who knew that she was going to camp that day and was there a vantage point where the person guilty of this crime could have watched and chosen their victims? There's also a theory floating that the murders were not committed by a single person and that a woman was involved. As far as I know, they cannot say for sure who the murderer was although Gene Hart is still a prime suspect due to the DNA they were able to salvage. I have a bunch of other questions as well.
One of the reasons she didn’t want to go was because her friends that were supposed to go had backed out at the last minute… which meant she would be going “alone”.
I worked at a residential summer camp for 2 summers and I can honestly say that we had campers like Denise all the time that were excited about going to camp but then become homesick. Denise was homesick and this was her first time going to camp and didn't really know anyone. That is all normal for kids who are going to camp for the first time.
I'm from this area. Locus Grove, Oklahoma. Gene is a relative of my brothers and sister.
What are your brother and sister name
So wouldn’t that make him you’re relative as well? Lol
@@kittensmitten4015 No. because we have different dads. This is THEIR uncle. not mine. lol
I am so sorry for what happen to all 3 girls, however, I wonder if Denise seen her attacker before and that is possibly why she did not want to go to camp. She had stated to her mother and the counselor. God bless the three of them.
Lady, you actually don't need to be the one telling this story, your dubious "relation" to it, "as a rando girl guide", seems totally invented. ILMAO
I was born a year after this tragedy occurred, but I learned about it in college in a criminology class. I’m glad this is getting the attention it rightly deserves, as like many others I still have a lot of unanswered questions. The inclusion of Kristin Chenoweth was completely unnecessary but thankfully it doesn’t take much away from the series.
it's not that she's unrelated. She was supposed to be on that trip.
Sure.....Kristen was conveniently sick and mama said you can't go honey. Or she is convinced she would be victim 4..... but not the other girls who were actually there that night and were spared. But Kristen just has ZERO CLASS to do the families more harm with her drama.
Watching Kristen Chenoweth inject herself into this story with no authentic connection other than showing off her overly dramatic, marginal talents and Chenoweth Theater.......cringeful
How the hell is she making a documentary of this if she wasn’t even there at all?? Like what’s to tell ? She wasn’t there like whaaat???🤣. Like what’s her intake what can she say lol
The only thing she brings to this story is star power which will draw viewers. Which is the ultimate goal of a documentary. Outside of that her presence in this story was pretty much irrelevant and she brought nothing to the table. They should've just had her narrate it like Johnny Cash did on the Someone Cry for the Children documentary. But to jam her into the documentary the way they did was just padding the time on a documentary that really didn't add anything new to the story.
"Star Power???"........where's the star?
WOW!! JUST TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS TELLING MY ROOMATE THEY NEED TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT ... BUT WHO KNEW THE SPOOKY CONNECTION .. WOW!!
You know there have been other documentaries made about this case. Far better than this one.
I will be watching,the movie. I too was a brownie turned Girl Scout. Honestly,sometimes I was scared too death where,we had our camping…surrounded by forest having to go look 👀 for breakfast,in that forest was deal breaker for me 🧐 being dropped off miles from,camp none of knew much about the compass 🙄 I feel for,these children & their families 🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊♥️🕊
This doc is really good so far. However.. I’m not feeling the celeb’s part in it. It feels unnecessary / shoehorned in, and just her repeating that she’s from there. It doesn’t add anything.
With exception to the parents of the girls, and the counselors, this doc is a mess. From details never mentioned to conflicting "facts" to hosts flip flopping from making it all about them to just coming off a lil bit crazy.
This doc didn't address or answer any question I have.
There was a better documentary created in the 90s that focused on the investigation. It had many interviews from the OSBI agents searching for Gene Hart and finding evidence. Even an interview with a medicine man who knew everyone involved.
ruclips.net/video/SyTqJFqwDSk/видео.html
How precious, a tragic mass murder of children, and Ms Chenoweth makes it all about HERSELF.
Exactly! Shameful and pathetic! It's about them girls period!
She is bringing some light to this again.
I haven’t seen it yet, but she seems like a perfect host to tell the story. Why do you think she’s making it all about herself? It affected all of us in Oklahoma at the time. She’s from there and seems to do a great job in her role.
To me the tree is so much proof that true evil exists that the tree died to when he touched it . 🙏 for their family and friends to find peace.
Why is Kirsten Chenoweth even in this?
To distract the viewer from the fact that the DNA evidence that was supposed to be a huge bombshell was completely worthless since it was inconclusive.
This series was pretty disappointing to be honest. 1) Because it left out so many details of the case, and 2) because of the actress in it that was completely irrelevant.
I am from Locust & my grandma lives on Cavalier Road which is right behind the camps, you can practically see it from her hill. She has lived there since the 60’s. She insists it isn’t Gene but you really never know, she recalls a man walking down the road on the night of the murders & it wasn’t Gene as she knew him. She also mentioned the counselor & how she was hurried away immediately. A lot of corruption within the police force & she claims the sheriff is only saying this DNA is matching because he is up for re-election. Small towns are weird, man. This is a case that will always have unanswered questions unfortunately.
No.
Just no.
They just did DNA evidence from some of the best In the FBI as well as other federal agents. The evidence points to one person-->>G Hart. His sperm was found inside those little girls. Many PEOPLE IN THAT AREA literally hid an evil man. Watch, Who will cry for the children. Its on RUclips.
G Hart died on June 4th. Listen to what Crying wolf (medicine man) said about the truth.
Listen to all of the "who will cry for the children girl scout murders."
Hart committed the murder and had help In that area to hide
. He hid out for four years after he broke out of a jail for burglarizing several homes including a police officer.
He was a wicked man and people in that area were wicked to cheer him on and raise money for him...absolutely wicked(evil spirit) what happened to those little girls.
The number four spoke its truth.
Listen closely to what Harvey Pratt(a Cheyenne Arapaho who worked w the OSBI said in
"who will cry for the children ."
People who still believe in his innocence are absolutely blinded because they want to be.
He didn’t say it matched. He said “ there’s on suspect that has Not been eliminated.
Idk if it was him or not but the fact their tent was the only one farthest away and that was blocked by the bathroom I thought a male worker was responsible given they would know the lay out etc but idk just a thought it's sad those poor girls
Was wondering why our girls camp was so secret.. couldn't even find it on the gsp.. now I get it! Seeing that tent ! Same ones they still use. They still separate adults from children even the parents.. crazy ,like why? Mine always snuck in our tent .
So was the host one of the kids? Or what's their relationship? For someone who's "haunted everyday" by this they'd have to be pretty close to the kids no?
According to the documentary she was allegedly signed up to go to Camp, but couldn't because she got sick. I think the "haunted everyday" thing was just a what if I had gone and this happened to me. Her involvement in this docuseries was completely irrelevant to the story as a whole and I'm not sure why they chose to include her and spend 45 minutes shoehorning her into the story. The 1995 documentary was more informative and had a third of the total runtime.
This self obsessed woman should be ASHAMED of her attention seeking addition to the amazing series on these poor baby girls murder.
It was a fab insight SPOILT be a "nobody" actress... God rest their gorgeous souls ❤️💞❤️
DNA evidence would have solved this case in 2 seconds.
I remember this I was a kid too when this happen
It’s bullshit that they don’t play this everywhere so everyone can watch it not everyone is online not everyone has room for another app
The narrator trying to put herself into the scene.
What a self aggrandizing way to honor them
This is so sad these 3 little girls at camp and the very first night this happened.
It had to be someone who knew when and where these girls would be there. The fact he went to the tent that was on the end furthest from the staff to commit these murders he planned this out. What I didn’t like about this horrific traumatic murder of 3 young girls is why is this blonde woman kristen even talking it really has nothing to do with her I just been kinda confused why she’s even talking. I can understand if it was one of the girls who actually was there at camp and talked to the girls but this kristen turned it toward her. I was 10 in 77 back than alot of parents sent their kids to summer camp I know my mom did until I was 12.
The little girl who wrote her mom the letter saying she wanted to come home and her mom agreed if she didn’t like it she could come home my heart broke for her mom.
With all the technology I hope these murders are solved these girls and their families deserve justice.
After watching this....
my child could only go to camp if armed guards were present.
Evil is even more rampant now
I think the whole inclusion of Kristen Chenoweth really cheapens this which is a shame as otherwise its a well made documentary series. Its not her exactly that is the problem but all those fake scenes of her walking around and those cheesy monologues. That scene where she turns up at a class of kids singing away is just so off-key and distasteful - her whole inclusion is like something out of Family Guy or something. AND then almost TEN minutes of cheesy, musical-style singing at the end - like thats what she really turned up for! UGH. RUINED IT.
I find it very strange u say u have dna. Yet it dosnt proove to be harts... But your still accusing him. Your investigation seems racial towards natives from start. Is that the problem?
This was a terrible documentary. Some local celebrity talking about herself and singing?! Lots of b-roll in slowmotion and bad editing.
Kristen Chenoweth has no self-awareness. COULD HAVE BEEN HER!!!
I cringed so hard at that. There actually was a camper who could have been a victim if not for a twist of fate. In another documentary they explain why there were only three campers in that cabin. Apparently, the fourth girl accidentally ended up in the wrong unit. They decided to wait until the next day and get her back to the unit where she was assigned. This woman is SO FAR REMOVED from being that camper that I'm seriously embarrassed for her. Someone needs to tell her: This isn't about YOU.
@@goldraysalvageii It makes me skeptical that she was even suppose to be at that camp. It's such a convenient lie. Not really something she could be expected to prove since it has been so long.
There are 2 dangerous men here, and the black woman will not draw her 9 mil.
I couldn't believe it....they used the defense attorney's voice "I'll get that sob" while law enforcement et al searched for Gene Leroy Hart. Not a good start! In fact it sets up the entire project as ignorant. The dna wasn't a match if it wasn't a match.
The dna did match Gene Leroy Hart.
@@elph77 No, it wasn't a 100% and not even a 90% match. All that test revealed was that Hart couldn't be excluded. Please get your facts.
@@jaynedoe80 He kidnapped and raped two pregnant women. Do you think he was above raping and murdering those little girls?
@@jaynedoe80 there is newer testing you are unaware of.
@@CstrikerDan2 Like what? And why hasn't it been used in other murder cases. Are you an expert witness, who has written articles and testified in court? If not, pleas sit down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I never heard it mentioned in this documentary that less than 2 months before the murders, the camp had some food items stolen and in their place a note was left that read, "WE ARE ON A MISSION TO KILL THREE GIRLS IN TENT ONE." Though, the director deemed it a prank and discarded the note.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Girl_Scout_murders
Any of the couselors that knew of the note and the director are at fault for neglect. If I were a parent and I knew that they got that note, I would never send my child to that camp. I think that is precisely why they never told anyone. They didn't want it to interfere with business. They knew if they told the authorities, then the details of the note would likely get spread and hurt business. All of the employees that knew of the note should be ashamed. They could have prevented this.
I would think that even back then, death threats would be taken seriously. Normal people don't do pranks involving death threats. If a school were to get a death threat, the logical action would be to cancel and close the school to protect the students. I remember in college, there was a bomb threat, and all classes were canceled. It's the proper step to take with that kind of threat.
It's frustrating because it was preventable. Yet the camp employees chose to ignore an obvious threat, which is neglect on their part.
What you're not told is that the note wasn't even the first sign of something wrong in the area. There were reports of various things happening on the campgrounds throughout the years all the way back to 1966. Dead squirrels and birds with their heads removed and placed inside rings of rocks, stick figures hanging from trees, and a counselor's cat was found with its head twisted around and placed inside a circle of rocks. I'm still shocked that the Farmers lawsuit was thrown out...
@@notsure4878 Wow that is so disturbing! I'm not doubting you but how do you know this additional info? I'd believed it though.
It sounds like these camp grounds were known to have disturbing this things happen there. It sounds like many adults with authority knew about it for a long time. They also likely knew that drifters and unstable people visited there often or likely lived in and around those camp grounds. Yet still deemed it she to camp there with children.
Now I really think all of the camp employees are partly to blame for what happened, especially the director. This is clearly neglect on their part. Receiving that note should have been the last straw. They should have canceled all activity planned there to ensure the safety of the children.
They didn't even have to tell parents the truth about the note. They could have come up with any reason to cancel. Yet they still deemed it ok to take children to a place where people have been mutilating animals. For the mere reason of not wanting the kids to accidently stumple upon finding some of those mutilated animals, the trip should have been canceled. And you add the note, it should have been a no brainer. Those employees should feel guilty for letting this happen.
@@11cylynt11 Obtained mostly from interviewing former campers and counselors. Some of this was also released during discovery when the families sued the Magic Empire Council of Girl Scouts. It was also talked about in the papers back then as well. You'll be hard pressed to find any documentaries or RUclipsrs talking about this because the OSBI and Mayes County Sheriff's office doesn't want people seeing this info since it goes against their theory that Hart single handedly committed these crimes as most of the harassment of the camp happened while Hart was in prison.
@@notsure4878 So then it was likely a group of sick individuals. Of which Hart joined up with to do evil when he got out of prison. I still can't believe that so many backed him even after he was found guilty of rape in another case. It goes to show that so many people are blinded by celebrities. Hart was a local football celebrity. I mean people still support R Kelly even after being found guilty. It these delusional peoples' eyes those awful people can do no harm.
Or, people were paid or otherwise coerced/threatened by some cult there to vouch for Hart. Because I'm starting to think that there is some sort of cult or secret society there. Of which Hart was a part of. They protect their own and get them out of trouble when possible. This secret society likely has members who are Judges, cops, politicians, and other people with power.
How else could all this go on for so long? How else could Hart have been found guilty? I think some if not all of the Camp employees were in on it, or at least simply allowed it to happen.
On the night of the murder, one counselor said she heard something in the middle of the night that didn't sound like anything she ever heard. She mentioned it sounded like something between a human and animal. She said she stopped looking for it because she got scared and didn't want to actually find it. That awful sound was the poor innocent child gagged and actively being tortured and raped. What else could it have been? Yet the couselor, who is suppose to be there protecting the children, just let it happen.
@@11cylynt11 Except there is no proof that Hart committed this crime. All the evidence in the case is circumstantial and he was acquitted by a jury of 12 (6 white men and 6 white women from outside the Locust Grove area). You're correct that he isn't a good person, he did plead guilty to raping a woman and kidnapping her and her friend in 1966 and went to prison for that crime. But the OSBI locked in on Hart because he was an easy target and ignored so much evidence and even ignored suspects that were being brought to their attention by Locust Grove LEO Paul Smith (who later ran for Sheriff of Mayes County and re-opened the case but was again ignored by the OSBI.) Thankfully the jurisdiction on this case in now in the hands of the Cherokee Marshal Services and they are picking up where Sheriff Paul Smith left off.