The "Snow" Children (Game of Thrones)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Characters like Jon and Ramsay who were unlucky enough to be
born with the snow surname instead of the house stark/bolton name
from the game of thrones / A Song of Ice and Fire lore
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please make a video about the Sand children of Dorne
Have you heard the conspiracy that Jon is the child of Roose Bolton and Ned Stark? Roose gave birth through his Butt and that’s why he’s so angry all the time. He has a dilated butthole so who wouldn’t be angry??
In Portuguese, the surnames "Santos [or dos Santos]" comes from orphans left at the church. They would get those surnames as if they came "from the Saints". There is also the surname "Neves [or das Neves]" which is the same but literally translates into "from the snow". It started as a surname for orphans that belonged to the snow in cold regions, and not to anybody. These two surnames are still quite common these days, but the meanings have long been abandoned.
Also in Spain certain surnames where given and adopted by African slaves and Santos and other variations of it such as my maternal surname of "De los Santos"
@Justin Goetz usually surnames with religious meaning where given by the church.
Yes, Martin knew this and used real world stories, histories (like the red wedding that closely resembles an actual account) and how "Bastard" children would be named.
In England, Fitz (meaning son of) was a patronymic indicator often used to identify bastards. It was usually put before the fathers given name but in royal cases the surname Fitzroy (son of royalty) was commonly used.
My last name De La Cruz was given to orphans left at churches in Spain, which basically means ‘off the cross’ because the babies would appear as if they fell off the cross
I am literally deeper than balls deep into this story
After the shitshow that the show was, I've been reading the books, I've gotten to the Feast For Crows so far, so, I relate
@@Ph3nom1998 dude 💯. Season 8 was 💩and I got tired of rewatching the better parts of the earlier season so I finally checked the books out and it was the best decision I ever made.
I am literally not caring about that and nobody does hahaha nobody cares dude
@@OverLordthe1st So many things got left out of the books that when I read it its almost like a whole different story.
@@youngcashregisterakalilbro3261 🥰😘
I love how well Ramsay and Jon represent two sides of the snow coin.
How
Just asking
@@eliasmagus5086 They're both bastards but Jon is kind and honorable and Ramsay is cruel and sadistic
@@georgeporphyrogenitus303 facts
*"Once by mistake I played rains of castamere in infront of lion King in a zoo and then unfortunately he became tywin "*
True story.
He then proceded to conqueror the seven continents
"She's the half-brother of Lord Cregan Stark" 😄😆🤣
*"A man like tywin Lannister is born once in a thousand year"*
you forgot to mention that House Cassel was likely founded by Lonnel Snow, given the white wolves of Cassel reversed from grey direwolf of Stark. Rodrik Cassel is likely Lonny's grandson.
"Lord Snow"
Eiobard Thorn😅, one of the best and underappreciated villains of the show
@@georgeclooney6208 *Ser Alliser Thorne
@@allye4228 right. How the hell did he come up with that incorrect name??? Lol
Ser Alliser the badass. he was not a villain, he always had his justifications for the stuff he did. He fought, he lost, now he rests.
@@alihandemiral7049 in the books he is still alive. He did not cause the mutiny at castle black.
Leonardo da Vinci followed similar ruling with bastard surnames. It means "Leonardo of Vinci" so he came from the town of Vinci. By that logic my stepmother would have the surname Casper
I think you missed Bael the Bard's son (who became a Lord or King of Winterfell) he's kind of iffy but, I'd count him if for nothing else but consistency!
Mushroom the court fool might actually be the more reliable source as his accounts portray the other characters in the most human light
I would say that for his firsthand account of events, Mushroom is a reliable source, though I wonder about embellishment. However, for his secondhand accounts, he seems very unreliable, and very biased. The Princess and the Queen, the Dance of Dragons, and the Rogue Prince give us a pretty solid picture as to how maesters perceived Mushroom, and thus we must take their criticism with the same grain of salt given their bias. But, given that a couple of Mushroom's secondhand accounts conflict with firsthand accounts suggests he was capable of imaginative storytelling, giving a touch of credibility to the maesters' biases.
Mushroom is probably not 100% reliable, but his version of the Rhaenyra-Daemon-Criston Cole-Harwin Strong debacle is almost certainly true.
You said the fish is spelt 'pike' and therefore different, then said 'pyke' refers to a sharp point, usually a weapon, BUT the weapon is also spelt 'PIKE'. The Ironborn also tend to use axes, daggers and swords not long polearms as these would get in the way on ships. Pyke is the name of one of the main Islands of the Iron Isles, thats where the name comes from.
Before watching the show I thought Jon Snow and Ramsey Snow were brothers 🤦
Imagine 💀
Bruh if ramsay was a stark bastard he would either kill his siblings or be a better person due to Ned being his dad
Denys Snow didn't fight for Aegon II (Dance of Dragons), he fought for Aegon the Uncrowned some 50 years earlier.
Just a claimed named dude.
It's curious about the idea of legitimizing bastard children in this world in order for them to have an inheritance. The reason I say this is because it calls into question who Jeyne Poole's mother is. So far, I've only found reference to Vayon Poole being the steward of House Stark who is tasked with a young daughter. From what I remember of Jeyne's appearance, she has dark hair and greyish-blue eyes like most of the Stark born children. It is fair enough that someone could pass her off as Arya Stark without ever knowing the difference. Of course, one other character is mentioned with the same description which is Tyrion's first wife, Tysha. We don't know where Tysha went after the incident in the garrison with the soldiers and Tyrion, but there is also a possibility that she might have found refuge in the North much like the Manderlys who were exiled from the Reach by House Gardner. Now, it would be really weird if Tyrion met Jeyne Poole and wondered at her particular resemblance to a long forgotten dream, we might even forgive George for making Jeyne Poole Sansa Stark's best friend at Winterfell and marrying Sansa Stark off to the one member of House Lannister who would have a connection to an exile from the South. Not saying you could prove Tyrion Lannister is Jeyne Poole's father without modern DNA technology, it will probably be about as foolhardy an expedition as what Jon Arynn did as hand of the king when he discovered none of Robert's children were truly his own.
But... Jeyne has brown eyes.
Sometimes a bastard can be a king. Just ask William the Conqueror
@@shardes where is this written? I haven't seen anything about it in any of the summaries on the wiki.
@@MissPopuri
In the book, called aDwD. I don't remember, if it's mentioned in any previous books, but in one of Theon's chapters he recalles, that she has brown eyes, not grey and someone may notice it.
I am not sure Brandon meant the literal dragons. While there is certainly merit to the argument that the use of weirwood arrows indicates something unnatural, it could likewise symbolize something else. I think Brandon was smart enough to know that it would be difficult to retrain other riders, especially of Balerion, and thus the arrows were for Aegon and his sisters. Perhaps Brandon used weirwood arrows for their flight properties. If he's only crafting 3 arrows, it means he believes he only needs or will get 3 attempts. If weirwood arrows fly faster or are more consistent, then it could be reasoned Brandon would have used them for the purpose of greater accuracy rather than the purpose of penetrating a dragon's scales. I think the toughness of dragon scales is related to the age, and thus also size, of the dragon. So, while it's possible weirwood arrows would be needed to kill these three large dragons, no mention of specially used weaponry is mentioned in the slaying of the dragons in the pits in The Dance of Dragons, as even peasants were able to kill the smaller ones. And peasants wouldn't have had access to "castle forged steel". Also, to back up the statement of Brandon being smart enough to kill the riders, he was clearly intelligent enough to get himself appointed Torhen's chief negotiator with Aegon.
The dragons' weak spot are their eyes. Maybe Brandon thought he could get a decent shot that way.
man i miss game of thrones i wish i could go back to the first time it was released
Agreed
Many of these names correlate with real life English surnames: Snow, Rivers, Hill, Stone, Flowers, and Waters.
GRRM literally "bastardized" those names
Northern pike also known as a jack fish or slew shark. Catch them all the time in rivers and lakes here in Alberta.
George please drop WoW already, we are running out of video ideas.
I live in the same city George also lives in. Our governor shut everything down only grocery stores are open so hopefully he's actually writing!!
man i love your videos, always keeps me hooked to the lore
Can you cover the tragedy of Summerhall next video?
👀
@@whycreate yess please
I can't wait when you will make the video about The "Flowers" Children
Bastards are still pretty lucky all things considered
Remember when Jon was telling Mel about being at the back of feasts, but she told him she was a slave, and he agreed he was luckier than most
Bastards get to enjoy the family luxury and dont have to stress about politics which often gets Lords and Trueborns killed.
Better than small folk, lesser than true born nobles
Kinda but they were still look down anyways by highborn who think they’re better of them and small folk who hate them for being at least a step above them.
That fact they’re call ‘natural’ just says they seen as normal compare to small folk who are seen as lesser would’ve piss them off easily.
Oh how I missed Ramsay Bolton
Love north theories make more about the starks
Hey @whycreate when will you make a Storm Light lore video?
Whycreate has read cosmere works?
@@johanjoseph4802 dunno thats why I'm asking
@dookie shoes 2 days no electricity?
@dookie shoes XD
Going to do the Stones and Sands and Rivers?
If people want it!
@@whycreate Pykes too!
In the CK2 Game of Thrones mod if you add the step stones to the iron throne and give it to a Targaryen as like a branch kingdom, bastards start getting the surname “fyre” there
I have always gotten confused on this one. Do you name the bastard by the Region they are born in or by the region you come from?
Eg if Jon was indeed a bastard would he be called a Sand because he was born at the Tower of Joy?
I'd guess it would depend on whose bastard the person is. For example if some Northern Lord has a bastard it's a snow even if he was born on campaign somewhere south at least if he gets a privileged upbringing (as in he gets an education and gets fostered by a noble house or his father) like Jon Snow. It is just my thought because it just makes most sense to me.
@@aysseralwan I thought the same thing about in the show (season 7 finale) Brann says Jon is a Sand before Sam confirms that his parents were actually married. I don’t know if it was another fuck up by the writers on maybe Targaryen bastard take up the name of the place they were born in
@@jacobsauti3093 I dont take anything as canon from the show season 6 and up. Im also pretty sure its just another fuck up
It's not an ironclad rule. You can be named after where you're raised, or after where your highborn parent is from. Obara Sand was born and spent the first 12 years of her life in Oldtown, but she's not a Flowers.
@@lasttoparty7570 but it always seems to be based on the high born father’s place birth. I don’t recall any incident where it was based on the place were the child was born or brought up, with the exception of bastards born in Kingslanding.
And I just remembered that Gendry called himself a Rivers (instead of Waters) in season 8 smh, these guys just didn’t give a shit about the show towards the end.
I say Sara was real in the books, the idea of that Targaryen prince, forget which, found love with her, sure it's not Martin's style and kinda cliche, but it's kinda sweet.
I dunno man, I listened to Fire and Blood on Audible, some of what mushroom said seemed more legit than what the septun or the maester put down
10:04 she's the half brother of Lord Cregan Stark?
Sister*
@@whycreate you could make a mini series of sorts talking about all the notable bastards of the various regions of Westeros, in order of North to South
Season 8 is the ultimate Bastard of a song of ice and fire
Trust me, Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Its foreshadowed heavy in the first book. And I can almost guarantee his name is Aegon
I don't think its likely that Jon Snow would be called Aegon because he already had an older half-brother called Aegon.
It seems weird to me to give both boys the same first name.
@@karinaadcock yeah it’s not going to be Aegon. The show only did that because they wanted to throw in an “Easter egg” from the books. That being Aegon “young griff”
@@karinaadcock there 3 Brandon Starks, 6 or 7 confirmed Aegons, 2 Jons, 2 Aemons (i think) 2 Nymerias. Pretty sure having Jon Snow being Aegon Targaryen 7th of his name or whatever wouldnt be such a shock. When Rhaegar's wife almost died giving birth he told her he needed another child (because the dragon has 3 heads) and what he wanted to name the baby. The name he wanted to give was Aegon.
@@juniornisthal2216 there 3 Brandon Starks, 6 or 7 confirmed Aegons, 2 Jons, 2 Aemons (i think) 2 Nymerias. Pretty sure having Jon Snow being Aegon Targaryen 7th of his name or whatever wouldnt be such a shock. When Rhaegar's wife almost died giving birth he told her he needed another child (because the dragon has 3 heads) and what he wanted to name the baby. The name he wanted to give was Aegon.
@@MaesterGreen Um ok you are wrong. First off Rhaegar believed in the Three heads, but he only had two of the three which is why he ran off with Lyanna. The two were Rhaenys and Aegon he needed a Visenya. He believed Jon was Visenya..... so no Jon would not have been named Aegon. Your comment in general is so wrong I am assuming you’ve never even read the books....
always thought it was a big miss for iron island bastards not being called Salt
So you all think these books will ever be concluded do you? It's been TEN YEARS since the last book was released and chances are there will at least 3 more IF counting the next one to be released. Martin ain't going to survive long enough and IF the books are finished, story arcs wrapped up and the endings written, it won't be by him and notes left behind will be left to fill in the gaps.
You would think that during Covid, he would have had the time to finish or at least wrote enough to have a projection date, which he does not. Dude is in bad health and we will be LUCKY if the next book won't be published posthumously, let alone finished.
Never since the first book was published in the 90's have we waited this long for a title. I was always in the camp of "Let dude take his time, forced labor and time limits can do nothing but spoil the story" and I still hold this belief. I just now think we may never get a real conclusion of the story that is done by him. Seriously, I give him 5 years, 8 tops. Dude is 71 and his health is bad.
Aint gonna happen.
.:EDIT:. This reddit post I just found SUMS up my argument, along with MANY other reasons I never even considered but all makes for an excellent argument and shines a light on whats to come. This was written back in 2015 and already, opinions stat ed have since became fact a few years later.
www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2usty5/spoilers_all_grrm_will_never_finish_asoif_heres/
That one essos guy cut thru drogon's scales pretty easily.
I really really hope that Jon won’t turn out to be Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son. I like him better as Ned’s bastard and always thought that what happened with the show was stupid
There is also the possibility of him being Ned and Ashara Dayne's son!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je yeah I know that’s what I’m hoping for
I love how George disguises important characters as bastards. Which Lannisters kids do you think are Targaryens? Tyrion, or Jamie and Cersie? Either the twins or Tyrion have to be the mad Kings offspring.
Love these vids but are you doing any other series
Lord snow= lord bastard just realized
Great video!!
The Crannog men
My brain: so... Florida?
It’s deeper than this
You and Indeepgeek need to make a video together!
You missed out, rab and steg snow fae the yy
Regardless, the last names sounds cool.
Too bad is fucking awesome
I may be the only person with this opinion. But I love seasons 1-7 and I can find good in 8. Obviously 8 is not even close to perfect but it’s still like a 60/40 which is better than most shows. And yes I said it 1-7 all of those seasons fantastic. Idk I might just love the show to much but the final doesn’t ruin it for me and I’m excited for the sequel. And personally I still would give the show a 9/10 even with the last season being weird. That’s because I love the rest of it 😂 ALSO THE MOST CHARISMATIC CHARACTER IS TYRION😂😂
Pike are fresh water fish, the salt water version are barracudas. Not a likely correlation there, as they live in the ocean and would not know of pike.
What if there are pike in Pyke's rivers?
Lol
Just an FYI ... Pike can live in brackish water. "Brackish water is water having more salinity than freshwater, but not as much as seawater. It may result from mixing seawater (salt water) with fresh water together." Therefore, Pike could live in tributaries near the sea.
If we are talking the real world, you have a point.
Iv caught pike in the sea an Australia. It was at a river mouth in which the ocean flowed into a river.
Lawrence wasn't a character in the TV show so I didn't even know he existed
I think people will confuse Ramsay's (Lord Snow) actions with Jon Snow. Lord Snow's awful reputation will contribute to ruining Jon's.
When you're so early the pinned comment has no likes
bruh reading this kinda comments in a GOT related video makes me hate it all together stop with the cringe
@Wolf No fuck you I won't have that shit from you or any cringey fuck in here
@@youngcashregisterakalilbro3261 what the hell you talking about????
@@Rahim.ali80 he’s right, this type of comment is so cringey, repetitive, and beyond unoriginal. It belongs in the comment section of some shitty unboxing youtuber not a lore/fandom video. Just annoying.
Very interesting and informative
please make a video on gendry and its futher in books
What about bowen "marsh" for the neck?
bowen marsh is a member of a noble house
@@matheusdemiranda9934 i guess ya got me there. I gotta read up, I'm in the ASoIaF big leagues now
Wasn’t Ramsey from the iron islands?
I never knew victor stone was a bastard. Booyah
"To hell with Ramsey snow the bastard" (Ser Raylond)
In the north we call them pike or walleye
I'm like 90% Jon's real name is Jaeherys Targaryen
Why?
Why tho?
Why do the Targaryen names sound all the same? As if they did minor variations on four or so names for each sex. Strange.
@@saymyname2417I believe its quite similar to real history... (as Martin often does take inspiration from)
Henry and Richards of England
Louis of France
The Fredericks or Frederick William or William of Germany/Prussia
Etc etc...
@@thedemocraticfilipino6417 - Yes, you are right. There are certain names that are kings' and queens' names and which keep, therefore popping up time and again. And it definitely is the same for the Targ names.
But 1. I have the feeling that it's not just certain names being given all over again (like Aegon) but that there are no or next to no other names than the ones we had.
2. Daenerys, Daenys, Viserys, Visenya, Aegon, Aerys, Jahaerys, Maegor, Rhaegar, Rhaenerys, Rhaenys... you get the drift. These name sound all the same and look like variations or shortend.
Unlike, say John, Phillip, Milo, Andrew, Carl, Henry, Robert... There are parts like -bert who of course keep reappearing but Valyrian names don't seem to have any variety. The ae-sound is so prevalent. Probably I need to check that out but I don't expect to find something new here. Anyway, thanks for your answer!
whenever I’m upset I just watch this channel and forget about the last season of GoT
When will you do LotR videos ?
Lord roose was poisoned by his enemies
But jon is not a snow he is a targaryen
How do you make the family trees ?
Plz make more videos about dragons they are my favorite or any dragon theroy
Is this the Burger King foot lettuce guy?
Fingers crossed the books will go with Jon Snow actually being the only true born Stark instead of him being Rhaegar and Lyanna’s secret child.
That would necessitate Ned being married to another woman before Cat, making all of their children bastards. Which makes no sense whatsoever, either based on the timeline or Ned's characterization. Im really not sure where that idea came from.
That's dumb.
The bastard surname for the crownlands should be "Crown"
"Waters" because of the squishers?
What about the bastard name Tanner? The only example i can find is Tyrion Tanner, son of Lollys Stokeworth after she was gang raped in Kings Landing.
WC!!!
"CommaANDa"
Uh, why is this recommended to me even though i dont watch GOT lol
Wouldn’t bael the bards son be a bastard?
Nobody knew he was a bastard so technically yes but practically no
According to wildling custom, no. You steal a woman, you're married.
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WHO ARE THE "BASE BORN" CHILDREN ?
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So joffreywould be a ....
Waters. And unlike Gendry he isn't kings bastard, though still of royal descend. Somehow.
@@saymyname2417 thanks
@@user-dznuts - You're welcome!
Given his birth place, Waters given his father's house Hills
@@samuelbattershell3413 - Yes, but bastards get their surnames not from where they're born or their fathers/mothers come from. But from where they GROW UP and Joffers grew up in KL, didn't he?!
So, that's Crown Lands, which would have made him a Waters, being HIS MOTHER'S bastard. He has nothing to do with Bobby B because he isn't a Baratheon but a (double) Lannister bastard. Did the Lions come from (the Rains') Casterly Rock? And which land was that again?!
100%
I can't watch this with headphones. It just makes me cringe. idk why
this dudes voice sounds almost creepy or cold asf maybe he's a snow
SONW
Why do you still refer to Jon as a bastard
First