Everyone should know you can change the "volume" of the shot on this machine. Hold down the button for as long as you want the shot to be, and the machine will remember for next time. Remember to only start timing after the pre-infusion after the machine waits for a second. The shot should pull for about 25-30 seconds. If you can't pull a good tasting shot in this time, change your grind. Another tip for this machine is not to tamp too hard. Compress the coffee and then stop. No need to put all your strength into it.
Really? I thought that the dishwasher with its wave movements, birds chirping and then the coffee machine caused me to end up in some kind of relaxation. I was almost falling asleep here and didn't perceive it as bothersome at all.😀
I've got trouble with the stock pressurised portafilter: if I grind finer, it often gets totally stuck (blocked, with no flow). It happens more often on the smaller (8 gram) one. The problem is the coffee is definitely NOT too fine for espresso. I am so fed up with it that I ordered the bottomless non-pressurised portafilter to try doing things the right way.
Are you tamping too hard or have you forgotten to insert the metal filter with the rubber surround into the basket? i heard that tamping is not needed with pressurised portafilters. Mine does block sometimes if the one hole in the basket gets blocked or if i forget to insert the metal filter.
Are you sure you don’t just have a smaller basket? IMS do a range of sizes, I have the 15-18g but there was a smaller and a bigger basket available as well
@@owenedgson7302 I've just paused the video where he turns the PF on it's side and you may be right. There are no markings on the my basket but the depth is 24mm.
About the portafilter: A bottomless portafilter and a "normal" one should have no difference regarding the way they work. The difference is at the Delonghi default basket. Delonghi uses by default a pressurized basket that is very good to make a so-so coffe from any bean and grind so to make anyone feel a little like a barista at home. But it's definetely not good if u go for a higher quality taste with a budget machine. For this you need if you can't affort a more expensive machine then you go for the most basic upgrades: Normal basket and freshly grinded, thoroughly weighted coffe (the better quality the better the result). If u get the bottomless portafilter it will help you become better at espresso making by giving you access to watch the extraction. Nothing more. So: Non pressurized portafilter and a tamper that fits it. Scales. Quality coffe beans and grinder or freshly grinded coffe. A tip: Avoid re-freezing coffe beans. If you insist of keeping your beans in the freezer then devide them in portions and get out of the freezer what you need a night before.
@@mateuszparus I wouldn't dare suggesting a specific one. But it will be very easy for you to find the best canditates that your pocket can buy if you spend some time in youtube or other online searching. All i know is that you should basicaly aim for a "premium" type of machine as a top goal but you can always stop aiming higher if you find the one that suits your taste. Because while an espresso can be made easily, for a good or a very good extraction you will definetely need a good or a very good machine on which you will have to spend some worthy time to find the ratios to produce a result to your liking and the same time create some of your your own solid knowledge. Coz there is no sealing really. There are people with shareable knowledge about espresso making and latte art and the same time they test different machines. Worth to chcek if you decided to brew your own coffe.
@@aligossas9431 Yes! But a good grinder is also an expensive grinder. I use "Porlex Tall" a hand grinder that suits my budget for a quality ceramic blade grinder. That also dictates how mutch to count as a portion when i seperate the bag into smaller ones. I grind a batch for myself and keep it in a small glass container. It will last for 4,5 single shoots for sure. My wife does the same for her coffe. The cleaning is easy and we can experiment a bit with the grind size.
@@mateuszparus I think a Lelit Anna with the PID and a Eureka Mignon is a good start. If money is tight, then spend it on the grinder first and upgrade the machine several years down the line. They may seem like a lot, but think of it this way: 3 Euros (or however it is at your local coffee shop) for coffee every day adds up very fast when you start making your own coffee at home. We usually do three cappuccini and three doppio espressi per day. That's easily 30 € at a local coffee. Shop. The grinder and espresso machine pays for itself in under a year.
Completely over extracted the second shot. Probably ground too fine or it's over tamped. I have this machine, and the shots from the stock portafilter are far better than displayed in this video.
in my experience the shots from stock portafilter are very mediocre. the rubber seal is elevated at one point for easier removal and that makes it really hard to achieve proper tamp. when I purchased bottomless portafilter my coffee became much better
@@gordanbabic8028 I agree with you. The rubber seal of single-shot cup is even seen when you tamp. It breaks the flatness of the coffee surface. That is why I always use double-shot cup of stock portafilter.
@@MEKaradeniz sorry I misread, you’re also using the double shot cup for this reason. I switched to the double cup immediately. I don’t even know better. Had the same problem indeed
I use the stock 685 portafilter with an old stock calssic (double)basket from Delonghi bar14. It fits, locks and pour pours just fine. It had outlived the old machine, and I'm glad that I kept it "just in case". I'm going to remove the plastic thingy from the holder, it does not do any good for a non-pressure basket anyway, but I'd love to seal the screw hole somehow. Even "as is", I prefer it over the original pressurized basket. Might get a botomless portafilter, eventually.
Why did you use 14g (ratio 1: 2.4) for the normal portafilter and 18g (ratio 1: 1.9) for the bottomless one and not the same coffee quantity with beans coarser/finer? Thank you for share the video.
Normal portafilter can not hold much coffee. I have also found 14g is about the maximum. 15g or more and the puck may touch the spout on the group head.
thanks for the video. please advice how do you manage to get normal extraction time with open portafilter on Dedica AND THE SAME GRIND SIZE as on pressurezed? nomatter how I tried I always have one of the two situations with Dedica and open portafilter: - if the grind is the same as for the pressurized - the extraction is very quick and the result is bad around 3,8 on 1zpresso k-max - if the grind is small enough to get visually good and slow extraction - 2,4 - the taste is that much bitter that it gets absolutely undrinkable
I would like to ask you about the De'Longhi Dedica Espresso Machine EC885. I want to buy it with a professional bottomless, non-pressurized portafilter. Is it effective to use this portafilter with the machine? I've heard that this type of small coffee maker has a higher water pressure, around 15 bars or more, which may not be suitable with a professional bottomless, non-pressurized portafilter. Also, What degree of grind did you use for the coffee?
@@kastierV the basket must have a bit of a lip around the edge to seal properly. Some of the cheap ones don't. Maybe you might bend the edges slightly with pliers.
its a filter. the original portafilter is a pressurised one, so it has a small hole that it uses to generate crema for the espresso, the black ring is a filter that's removable so that the small hole doesnt get blocked by the coffee grinds
Is the video beautiful - right? Although why create it with constant squelching in the background? I don't understand why you need to boil 34g of espresso from 14g of coffee - this is also an over-extract - only bitterness. Plus, in 34 seconds - it's a wild over-extract. We do not yet take into account the fact that your timer starts when the first drops enter the cup. In fact, the first drops fall into the cup at ~ 5th second, and due to the pre-wetting mode of the Delonghi ec685 coffee maker, the first drops fall into the cup at all at 8-9 seconds. How do you drink this bitterness. And why are you knocking on the portafilter? This creates cracks in the condensed coffee. And why are you screwing the tempera? You just need to squeeze.
have you done anything to the machine's water pressure? for me, in 18gr out 36gr takes 12 seconds.. for me it seems the dedica takes time rather the water volume when you configure the two brewing buttons.
@@whoami724y i'm guessing the grind size is the issue. i use a cheap blade grinder at the moment. tamping pressure should be okay. i was very surprised to see that 18-36 could be achieved for more than 20 seconds as I thought it's impossible with the Dedica due to the water pressure. but, i'm getting a proper grinder soon and will check.
@@heliu5 the grinder will definitely be the issue. i just bought the Sage Dose Control Pro and i'm very impressed by what it delivers at this price point
the 2 portafilters you suggest are no longer available, can you send some links to some that are please? and can you tell me if the original baskets can still be used in these? thanks from downunder
I sawed off the bottom of the original portafilter, pretty easy and you still have the original fit. Don't use the original baskets if you go bottomless. The original baskets are pressurized baskets with one single hole on the outside - this counters the only use of a bottomless portafilter, you still can't see the extraction going on. Most people buy Graef baskets that are good quality and fit the original holder.
The grind size must be changed for the pressurised one and I couldn’t see any difference between them On the other hand you tamped it soooo hard and this will make the extraction time consuming and moreover it will taste like crap!not espresso
I have delonghi ec 820. Do you think I could use the same handle (portafilter) like for 685? It is has also 51mm, 3 ears. I am not sure about thickness of the ears. I have tried to search on the internet, even talked to some sellers on aliexpress, but noone helped me out...
Well, after grinding it needs some distribution by tipping on the portafilters side. Then I gently knock the porta on a hard surface with the bottom to get it settled - 3 times. I think it doesn't need rough tamping. But give it a little twist in the end. If this procedure doesn't help, maybe it's your grinder setting or coffee itself. I'm using modded original portafilter with modded original sieve. Pulling out 33g coffee out of 13g powder.
@@andrescyfy570 Thank you, I will surely try this one. Since I bought my grinder I only get a little channeling on the sides in about 15 secs then disappears. I will try to tip it because I have not tried it yet. Thank you
About the timer: If we assume that you go for a ratio of 1:2+ and extraction time should be around 25-30 sec then you can say that both the portafilters done their job at 30sec. They doubled the amount you gave them. Eventho if u had Coarser coffe more suited for espresso you could take the same result in less time maybe on the ideal more most: 25''. Well done tho, you are so close!
Hi Arty, very nice video! The link for the portafilter on Amazon is not working anymore. Do you have any portafilter to recommend for a Dedica? I bought one which is supposed to fit on a Dedica (according to the seller) but it turns out slightly loose and the portafilter came off mid brewing and created a big mess! So now I have to hold on to it whenever I start brewing.
He used the same grind for both filters. Pressurized filters are used for pre ground coffee which is typically less fine. The second shot was over extracted.
יש לי את המטחנה הזאת. במידה ויש לך דילונגי דדיקה e685-תחליף את ידית החליטה באתר עלי אקספרס לידית חליטה במידה 51mm ללא תחתית כמו בוידאו. לגבי המטחנה תשתמש בשייבות שהביאו לך עם המכשיר. יש שייבות במידות 0.2 ו0.25,תשתמש בהן. ודרגה טחינה מומלצת מ5 עד 10. אני מוצא לנכון שמספר 7 עושה את העבודה. בהצלחה;-)
I've Dedica and this same graef you are talking about and it works perfectly enough at 10 of 30 steps. Graef give you 3 spring washer to modify fineness if it isn't enough. I'm using it without modification.
Can you please tell me which filter your using on the bottomless portafilter and where did you purchased it from. I'm on my second filter and I can't and I still can't find the right filter to work. Thanks
Hi, my portafilter is unscrewing when I try to have a shot. I was not a case when I used after I had got it, but now it is sliding even when water is passing by smoothly.
Hi there, I have just bought a Dedica EC685 and I am trying to understand better how the coffee world works. I bought the dosing cup you advised but it cannot fit the standard portafilter so It's difficult for me put into it ground coffee. Do you have any advise?
I bought the portafilter you recommended but recently I’ve been having trouble with fine streams of splatters coming out of the portafilter. Have you experienced this so far? If so, what did you do to remedy this?
Distribute your coffee grounds on the basket and portafilter before tamping it, make sure it’s not off level. After that, if it still occurs, your grinder may not grinding properly and evenly.
No deberías golpear el portafiltro despues de nivelar el café, esos golpes se hacen antes de nivelar en todo caso pero no antes del tampeo porque lo desnivela
those tampers? the blue one is delonghi's I presume ... and the other one? is there a size difference between them? because I noticed my 51mm tamper from Ebay hardly fits those baskets. also, your wooden tamping station is beautiful. where did you get it?
Hi what diameter bottomless portafilter does this machine require? Also before I purchase it I wanted to know if that’s ok if the crema on top stays and if u have have tried the sugar test to see how slowly it sinks. Thank you in advance
Any ideas for a good 3-4cup bottomless basket ( around 18gr )??? those from china have big holes and splatter everywhere .no crema at all . The original holds 14gr i need a bigger one , ty in advance
I bought the Neouza set from Amazon: 2 cups 16-19g, 1 cup (idk, 1 cup is too tricky), bottomless portafilter and the filter plate. Then from IMS, i bought the screen replacement (the one on the machine with the middle screw). I also got an Eureka Silenzio single dose mod grinder (single dose kit from Etsy), the lever steam knob (also from etsy) and the rancilio silvia v1/v2 steam wand replacement from Amazon. Never enough...
How do you get your crema to look so nice? I just got a non pressurised filter and my crema keeps coming out very light in colour which I understand is a sign of an underextracted shot. I don't have a grinder but I'm using coffee that was grinded in the roastery today. I've asked them to do a "standard" espresso grind for one bag and a slightly coarser one for another, but neither seem to come out nicely.
the under exctraction could also be because of the temperature not being right, which out of the box it isnt on this machine. Try this and see if it helps somewhat : 1. Set the temperature to High (instructions in the manual) 2. make 2 empty double shots. This ensures that the brewing temperature of the water is correct and prevents under extraction. I tested with a thermometer, and by default the temperature in cup would be around max 64 degrees celcius (147.2) but by changing brew temperature and taking out 2 empty shots it came to the usual 160 to 165 range, which is ideal. In tasting my coffee I also noticed it was not sour anymore (underextracted) which it was before I changed the settings
@@Dhruv1223Each time I want to use I should take those two water extractions? I have another problem when I use non pressurize porta filter my crama goes away so fast under 1 min but with normal porta filter it stays for long time is this because of underextraxtion?
Buongiorno ho acquistato il filtro non pressurizzato. Malgrado abbia raddoppiato la dose di caffè e l'abbia pressata molto il risultato è un caffè per nulla cremoso?
Thank you for your nicely prepared video. May I ask if the pressure you tamped the coffee ground were the same for both brews? I have heard that there is no need to tamp the ground for pressurized basket as hard as for bottomless portafilter. Is that true?
Is your tamper 51mm used to your portafilter bottom less? Mine also 51mm but only fit the half button of my tamper. Can you share where you bought your bottomless portafilter ?
I also encountered the same issue. I used 18g in my Neouza Bottomless portafilter but It felt like my tamping is not enough since it can only fit half. Any suggestions like increasing the dose? Or using othertools?
Why in the other clip u start timer when u press the button and in this clip u start timer when first drop hits the cup? ทำไมอีกคลิปถึงเริ่มจับเวลาตอนกดปุ่มแล้วคลิปนี้เริ่มจับเวลาตอนที่น้ำหยดลงแก้วอะครับ?
Just can't get any crema out of it. Most of the time water doesn't even pass through the filter, don't matter if I use the original or the non presurized. Been practicing for weeks, still don't get satisfactory results.
I find my coffee not good yet. Hope if i buy new temper not original plastic one it will be better. I wanted buy bottomless filter too but it cost much and that filter + temper and i could buy for that money even automatic coffee maker. I find it cool my delonghi ec685 but didnt knew if i want good coffee i need buy those 2 parts for 60€ :( buy temper will be ok but not that filter . If temper will be enough to make coffee taste better it will be amazing. (Well i only have him 2md day now so maybe i am just not good enought with it yet )
Hello Arty. Thanks for these videos. They help me very much to understand how to make some espresso. And... Ti understand that this original portafilter is not good. It is stuck every day. And we always loose fresh milled coffee if the hole is blocked. I think i. The one and a half week we had 6 to 7 times it stuck. So i wanted to buy a new portafikter bottomless. But unfortunately those you out into your desrciption arent available. The prices of alternatives are from 13 to 45 Euros. So maybe you could tell em the price of YOURS to dind a similar one? Would be really kind. Because not only me but also my wife gets angry about that.
@@MT-ud7qc could be the type of beans, some light roast have more acidity, or you might need to check your distribution, if your distribution is poor it can lead to poor extraction
Hello! Beginner home espresso maker with the EC685 here! Thank you for the nice video! Have fellow users here found the distributor to be an essential tool for a good cup of espresso? I’ve actually just learnt from this video that such thing exists! ☕️
hold up now. You used 16g and only used the 1 shot button? I've been using the double shot button since i use a doubleshot basket in my bottomless portafilter. Am I missing something here?
You can program each button. For programming you hold that button as long as necessary (how many seconds you need, for example 25sec), the next time you press it once, 25 seconds it is. You can do that as often you like..
Hi, Really struggling to dail in my grinder and EC680. I am currently on the finest setting that allows my EC680 to push water through without it stalling. I am trying to solve sour shots. I tried reducing puck size down from 18g to 15g to lower pressure and that worked but any less and tamping does not help. Upgraded to bottomless portafilter. I read that you must not reduce puck size and MUST stick with puck that fits basket plus or minus 1g. latest is 15g in, 37g out, 30sec from first drip but still sour. Any advise?
My dosing cup was a 2 oz stainless steel cup, which was incidentally the size of a dosing ring. I bought it from a Verasu store in Thailand. www.verasu.com
It's a nonsense to compare double shot 18 g with single 14 g. It does not depend on portafilter, but depends on time / volume. Set your grind and volume to get weight of the puck x 2 g just before 25 s and you will have nice coffee. After 30 s you will get too bitter one.
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Everyone should know you can change the "volume" of the shot on this machine. Hold down the button for as long as you want the shot to be, and the machine will remember for next time. Remember to only start timing after the pre-infusion after the machine waits for a second.
The shot should pull for about 25-30 seconds. If you can't pull a good tasting shot in this time, change your grind.
Another tip for this machine is not to tamp too hard. Compress the coffee and then stop. No need to put all your strength into it.
Thank you very much.
Can I change the pre infusion time? With the instructions it is explained only how long the pouring will be
@@giuseppemengoli No you can’t
Hi your video is very useful but with a second coffee grinder SMEG CGF01 and 30 available position my results are not the best could you help me?
@@ArtyHome the coffee is coming out my bottomless portafilter too fast. Do I need to make a finer grind and tamp harder?
I like the way you organised your desk and how you shooted the scene.
Bravo!
And ground too fine.
Good video. Background noise is unbearable.
Really? I thought that the dishwasher with its wave movements, birds chirping and then the coffee machine caused me to end up in some kind of relaxation. I was almost falling asleep here and didn't perceive it as bothersome at all.😀
I don't want to alarm you, but it sounds like Darth Vader is breathing over your shoulder this whole time.
It’s good to see the video. It proves that you don’t need a Gaggia quality machine to produce good espresso.
I think you have tamped it too hard in the normal portafilter so it gave drops not a continous flow
los filtros presurisados rompen la pastilla sin importar el tampeo.
I've got trouble with the stock pressurised portafilter: if I grind finer, it often gets totally stuck (blocked, with no flow). It happens more often on the smaller (8 gram) one. The problem is the coffee is definitely NOT too fine for espresso. I am so fed up with it that I ordered the bottomless non-pressurised portafilter to try doing things the right way.
I don't like using a single basket, I use a double and bottomless, it's easier and the coffee tastes better.
The coffee tastes better with a double dose? Obviously not an Italian.
I think that's just how pressurised baskets work. You need to grind coarser because the basket gives a lot of extra pressure.
Are you tamping too hard or have you forgotten to insert the metal filter with the rubber surround into the basket? i heard that tamping is not needed with pressurised portafilters. Mine does block sometimes if the one hole in the basket gets blocked or if i forget to insert the metal filter.
You sould grind the coffee with medium to fine size, if using pressurised portafilter..
soo..WHICH TASTES BETTER? IN WHAT ASPECT DOES IT TASTE DIFFERENT?
I don't know how people are fitting 18g into these baskets on the bottomless PF. I am struggling to get 16g.
Finer grind.. and some sorts of cofee are heavier..
@@saneksheva80 nice info my man, god bless
Are you sure you don’t just have a smaller basket? IMS do a range of sizes, I have the 15-18g but there was a smaller and a bigger basket available as well
@@owenedgson7302 I've just paused the video where he turns the PF on it's side and you may be right. There are no markings on the my basket but the depth is 24mm.
About the portafilter: A bottomless portafilter and a "normal" one should have no difference regarding the way they work. The difference is at the Delonghi default basket. Delonghi uses by default a pressurized basket that is very good to make a so-so coffe from any bean and grind so to make anyone feel a little like a barista at home. But it's definetely not good if u go for a higher quality taste with a budget machine. For this you need if you can't affort a more expensive machine then you go for the most basic upgrades: Normal basket and freshly grinded, thoroughly weighted coffe (the better quality the better the result). If u get the bottomless portafilter it will help you become better at espresso making by giving you access to watch the extraction. Nothing more. So: Non pressurized portafilter and a tamper that fits it. Scales. Quality coffe beans and grinder or freshly grinded coffe. A tip: Avoid re-freezing coffe beans. If you insist of keeping your beans in the freezer then devide them in portions and get out of the freezer what you need a night before.
What better machine would you recommend instead of this one?
@@mateuszparus I wouldn't dare suggesting a specific one. But it will be very easy for you to find the best canditates that your pocket can buy if you spend some time in youtube or other online searching. All i know is that you should basicaly aim for a "premium" type of machine as a top goal but you can always stop aiming higher if you find the one that suits your taste. Because while an espresso can be made easily, for a good or a very good extraction you will definetely need a good or a very good machine on which you will have to spend some worthy time to find the ratios to produce a result to your liking and the same time create some of your your own solid knowledge. Coz there is no sealing really. There are people with shareable knowledge about espresso making and latte art and the same time they test different machines. Worth to chcek if you decided to brew your own coffe.
How about a good grinder ??
@@aligossas9431 Yes! But a good grinder is also an expensive grinder. I use "Porlex Tall" a hand grinder that suits my budget for a quality ceramic blade grinder. That also dictates how mutch to count as a portion when i seperate the bag into smaller ones. I grind a batch for myself and keep it in a small glass container. It will last for 4,5 single shoots for sure. My wife does the same for her coffe. The cleaning is easy and we can experiment a bit with the grind size.
@@mateuszparus I think a Lelit Anna with the PID and a Eureka Mignon is a good start. If money is tight, then spend it on the grinder first and upgrade the machine several years down the line. They may seem like a lot, but think of it this way: 3 Euros (or however it is at your local coffee shop) for coffee every day adds up very fast when you start making your own coffee at home. We usually do three cappuccini and three doppio espressi per day. That's easily 30 € at a local coffee. Shop. The grinder and espresso machine pays for itself in under a year.
Completely over extracted the second shot. Probably ground too fine or it's over tamped. I have this machine, and the shots from the stock portafilter are far better than displayed in this video.
in my experience the shots from stock portafilter are very mediocre. the rubber seal is elevated at one point for easier removal and that makes it really hard to achieve proper tamp. when I purchased bottomless portafilter my coffee became much better
@@gordanbabic8028 I agree with you. The rubber seal of single-shot cup is even seen when you tamp. It breaks the flatness of the coffee surface.
That is why I always use double-shot cup of stock portafilter.
@@MEKaradeniz then you should use more coffee
@@WestDutchBoys yes but then the amount of coffee is more than half of double shot
@@MEKaradeniz sorry I misread, you’re also using the double shot cup for this reason. I switched to the double cup immediately. I don’t even know better. Had the same problem indeed
I use the stock 685 portafilter with an old stock calssic (double)basket from Delonghi bar14. It fits, locks and pour pours just fine. It had outlived the old machine, and I'm glad that I kept it "just in case". I'm going to remove the plastic thingy from the holder, it does not do any good for a non-pressure basket anyway, but I'd love to seal the screw hole somehow. Even "as is", I prefer it over the original pressurized basket. Might get a botomless portafilter, eventually.
I've been thinking about that screw as well. Some kind of a nut is needed, but I might be too lazy to go find the right one lol.
What basket size are you using? My bottom of the basket doesn’t reach till the end of the portafilter.
Why did you use 14g (ratio 1: 2.4) for the normal portafilter and 18g (ratio 1: 1.9) for the bottomless one and not the same coffee quantity with beans coarser/finer? Thank you for share the video.
Normal portafilter can not hold much coffee. I have also found 14g is about the maximum. 15g or more and the puck may touch the spout on the group head.
But I agree would be interested to see 14g from the bottomless filter.
At 2:50 when the initial pour starts for me, it’s dark and clear and then a couple seconds later gets foamier. Why is this? Old beans?
these wooden standings for portafilers are cool!!! where did you get them?
Amazon has em. So does ebay. Made in china only tho
www.ebay.com/itm/Wooden-Coffee-Tamper-Holder-Base-Espresso-Coffee-Barista-Latte-Art-Tamper-Holder/274490805443?var=574655441899&hash=item3fe8ed4cc3:g:cQAAAOSw6EVfWy-f
Ebay
Any reason why you used the single shot button rather than the double shot one?
café mas concentrado, algo parecido a un doble ristreto.
Why all those ocmpanies doesnt make it from the factory bottomless?
0:31 what's the GRIND SIZE?
18g for 1 coffe? Is not to much?
thanks for the video. please advice how do you manage to get normal extraction time with open portafilter on Dedica AND THE SAME GRIND SIZE as on pressurezed?
nomatter how I tried I always have one of the two situations with Dedica and open portafilter:
- if the grind is the same as for the pressurized - the extraction is very quick and the result is bad
around 3,8 on 1zpresso k-max
- if the grind is small enough to get visually good and slow extraction - 2,4 - the taste is that much bitter that it gets absolutely undrinkable
Do you change the grind size for the bottomless one?
Unfortunately it’s not available any more in Amazon
why there is flushin sound every 3 seconds
I would like to ask you about the De'Longhi Dedica Espresso Machine EC885. I want to buy it with a professional bottomless, non-pressurized portafilter. Is it effective to use this portafilter with the machine? I've heard that this type of small coffee maker has a higher water pressure, around 15 bars or more, which may not be suitable with a professional bottomless, non-pressurized portafilter.
Also, What degree of grind did you use for the coffee?
I have blocking issue with the pressurized basket when the grind is finer, have you had the same issue?
Yes, I have a similar problem, you have to gradually adjust the fineness of the grinder.
Just happened this morning
oh I see !!
@@ArtyHome is the purchased grind size in bag from say lavazza too thick?
Where did you get the bottomless portafiler from? Is there a link to share?
Search for "dedica bottomless" on Aliexpress. They have a lot of different finishes shipping all over the world.
also on Ebay and amazon, but all look to be coming from the same few suppliers from China
@@adameichler i bought one from aliexpres, but it is splashing, coffee is flowing to the handle. i do not know what am I doing wrong.
@@kastierV the basket must have a bit of a lip around the edge to seal properly. Some of the cheap ones don't. Maybe you might bend the edges slightly with pliers.
Nice channel! Brand new coffee drinker here:) Got the EC685 yesterday, I am loving it.
Enjoy!
I have had mine for years, still going strong.
So what is the verdict??
So, what is the underlying reason for the difference?
Whats the portafilrer name and size
What the heck is the background sound? Is someone running the dishwasher?
I'm sorry, it's the sound of a pump making waves in my aquarium.
Nice vid, congrats! What is the purpose of the piece with black rubber in the original portafilter?
its a filter. the original portafilter is a pressurised one, so it has a small hole that it uses to generate crema for the espresso, the black ring is a filter that's removable so that the small hole doesnt get blocked by the coffee grinds
Hi. Very new to coffee here, and just purchased the bottomless portafilter. Would any of you know what’s a good grind size using the Breville grinder?
whats a good grind level for the bottomless portafilter? fine |? too fine?
Is the video beautiful - right? Although why create it with constant squelching in the background?
I don't understand why you need to boil 34g of espresso from 14g of coffee - this is also an over-extract - only bitterness. Plus, in 34 seconds - it's a wild over-extract. We do not yet take into account the fact that your timer starts when the first drops enter the cup. In fact, the first drops fall into the cup at ~ 5th second, and due to the pre-wetting mode of the Delonghi ec685 coffee maker, the first drops fall into the cup at all at 8-9 seconds.
How do you drink this bitterness.
And why are you knocking on the portafilter? This creates cracks in the condensed coffee. And why are you screwing the tempera? You just need to squeeze.
I use delonghi KG521 grinder. what is degree shall I use, please? Can you tell me?
Switched to a bottomless filter and getting no cream at all, my grinder is the Dedica KG520...
Delonghi dedica kg520 can't grind coffee beans as finely enough to be used with bottomless.
Arty Home what about the KG49? Is the finest setting fine enough?
@@animalloverwashere kg 79 is the best, can grind almost like flour. too bad it does not deliver directly in the portafilter.
have you done anything to the machine's water pressure? for me, in 18gr out 36gr takes 12 seconds.. for me it seems the dedica takes time rather the water volume when you configure the two brewing buttons.
is your grind size fine enough? or is your tamping pressure heavy enough? you should try and check those two variables
@@whoami724y i'm guessing the grind size is the issue. i use a cheap blade grinder at the moment. tamping pressure should be okay. i was very surprised to see that 18-36 could be achieved for more than 20 seconds as I thought it's impossible with the Dedica due to the water pressure. but, i'm getting a proper grinder soon and will check.
@@heliu5 well there's your problem, blade grinder is a no no for espresso. you should get baratza sette, i hear its good for espresso
@@heliu5 the grinder will definitely be the issue. i just bought the Sage Dose Control Pro and i'm very impressed by what it delivers at this price point
@@lionelpeer4097 100% support that. Great value for the money.
So if i want to sell coffee, i just add 14g.still get the same weight result just taking bit longer
Hello, in the video do you use the single shot basket for the original portafilter or the double shot basket? Thanks
double shot basket.
@@ArtyHome Thanks
Is it possible to put only 10g of coffee on that botomless portafilter ?
You can, but I'm not sure if I can do it well.
@@ArtyHome 11g works pretty well
@@ts3024 are 11g enough for a single espresso around 30grs? Our friend use 14 with original and 18 with bottomless
the 2 portafilters you suggest are no longer available, can you send some links to some that are please? and can you tell me if the original baskets can still be used in these? thanks from downunder
I sawed off the bottom of the original portafilter, pretty easy and you still have the original fit. Don't use the original baskets if you go bottomless. The original baskets are pressurized baskets with one single hole on the outside - this counters the only use of a bottomless portafilter, you still can't see the extraction going on. Most people buy Graef baskets that are good quality and fit the original holder.
Hi what coffee beans are you using?
Medium roast coffee beans.
I don't see any difference. Somebody explain to me, please, what is the difference?
The grind size must be changed for the pressurised one and I couldn’t see any difference between them
On the other hand you tamped it soooo hard and this will make the extraction time consuming and moreover it will taste like crap!not espresso
Agreed. The grind was too fine for the pressurized filter and created too much resistance and channeling for good extraction.
You said 18g out 34g 25sec. This 25sec count from when u press the button? or when the espresso comes out?
You can clearly see from the video that scale timer starts when coffee starts to drip
What the heck is that noise?
hi, Unfortunately the bottomless portafilter is current unavailable in amazon, do you have another links for this product?..thank you
I have delonghi ec 820. Do you think I could use the same handle (portafilter) like for 685? It is has also 51mm, 3 ears. I am not sure about thickness of the ears. I have tried to search on the internet, even talked to some sellers on aliexpress, but noone helped me out...
hello there..that portafilter can get 18gram???
Did you have any channeling when using a bottomless portafilter? If yes, how did you solve it?
Are you using pre-ground coffee? Never had it since I am using freshly ground coffee.
@@andrescyfy570 no I use fresh beans with my Eureka Mignon Facile grinder.
@@andrescyfy570 do you mind sharing the recipe you are using?
Well, after grinding it needs some distribution by tipping on the portafilters side. Then I gently knock the porta on a hard surface with the bottom to get it settled - 3 times. I think it doesn't need rough tamping. But give it a little twist in the end. If this procedure doesn't help, maybe it's your grinder setting or coffee itself. I'm using modded original portafilter with modded original sieve. Pulling out 33g coffee out of 13g powder.
@@andrescyfy570 Thank you, I will surely try this one. Since I bought my grinder I only get a little channeling on the sides in about 15 secs then disappears. I will try to tip it because I have not tried it yet. Thank you
which brand of ground coffee is best suited to the dedication of delonghi?
There's no easy answer here apart from the coffee you like to drink
About the timer: If we assume that you go for a ratio of 1:2+ and extraction time should be around 25-30 sec then you can say that both the portafilters done their job at 30sec. They doubled the amount you gave them. Eventho if u had Coarser coffe more suited for espresso you could take the same result in less time maybe on the ideal more most: 25''. Well done tho, you are so close!
Background music is to high.
I have a Delonghi stilosa and I can’t get a shot to go longer than 11 seconds with pre ground coffee and the pressurized filter.
The ground coffee you are using is too coarse.
Hi Arty, very nice video! The link for the portafilter on Amazon is not working anymore. Do you have any portafilter to recommend for a Dedica?
I bought one which is supposed to fit on a Dedica (according to the seller) but it turns out slightly loose and the portafilter came off mid brewing and created a big mess! So now I have to hold on to it whenever I start brewing.
Same question. Did you find one that works for you? Thanks
We can clearly see a difference 👍
He used the same grind for both filters. Pressurized filters are used for pre ground coffee which is typically less fine. The second shot was over extracted.
Where did you find the bottomless portafilter? I can't seen to find 51mm ones anywhere
SODIAL Coffee Bottomless Portafilter for EC680/EC685 Filter 51MM Replacement Filter Basket Coffee Accessories www.amazon.com/dp/B083K12RPK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_YKJ955H7RG64CAY8ZBR7
do you think that graef cm702 good for this new portafilter?
I have never used this grinder. I don't know if grinding is fine enough.
יש לי את המטחנה הזאת. במידה ויש לך דילונגי דדיקה e685-תחליף את ידית החליטה באתר עלי אקספרס לידית חליטה במידה 51mm ללא תחתית כמו בוידאו. לגבי המטחנה תשתמש בשייבות שהביאו לך עם המכשיר. יש שייבות במידות 0.2 ו0.25,תשתמש בהן. ודרגה טחינה מומלצת מ5 עד 10. אני מוצא לנכון שמספר 7 עושה את העבודה. בהצלחה;-)
I've Dedica and this same graef you are talking about and it works perfectly enough at 10 of 30 steps. Graef give you 3 spring washer to modify fineness if it isn't enough. I'm using it without modification.
Can you please tell me which filter your using on the bottomless portafilter and where did you purchased it from. I'm on my second filter and I can't and I still can't find the right filter to work. Thanks
Are you grinding the grains fine enough?
What temperature is best ? Low , medium or high temperature? Thanks for reply
High. It's also interesting that the device can't provide stable high temperature during the extraction process, there is a video about it on YT.
Hi, my portafilter is unscrewing when I try to have a shot. I was not a case when I used after I had got it, but now it is sliding even when water is passing by smoothly.
Change the joint, a new rubber or sillicone one is not expensive
Hi there,
I have just bought a Dedica EC685 and I am trying to understand better how the coffee world works.
I bought the dosing cup you advised but it cannot fit the standard portafilter so It's difficult for me put into it ground coffee.
Do you have any advise?
You need to make sure its suitable for your machine.. use 51mm
I bought the portafilter you recommended but recently I’ve been having trouble with fine streams of splatters coming out of the portafilter. Have you experienced this so far? If so, what did you do to remedy this?
one of the "feature" of bottomless portafilter. I sick with my normal, stock one
Distribute your coffee grounds on the basket and portafilter before tamping it, make sure it’s not off level. After that, if it still occurs, your grinder may not grinding properly and evenly.
Check your grind
No deberías golpear el portafiltro despues de nivelar el café, esos golpes se hacen antes de nivelar en todo caso pero no antes del tampeo porque lo desnivela
Can you tell me the diameter of the coffee distributor leveler tool. Thank you
51mm.
@@ArtyHome Thank you. Where did you get it? :)
@@antonia-kamillagaspar6170 I've bought mine which looks the same on Aliexpress.
What‘s the reason?
Thanks!
those tampers? the blue one is delonghi's I presume ... and the other one? is there a size difference between them? because I noticed my 51mm tamper from Ebay hardly fits those baskets.
also, your wooden tamping station is beautiful. where did you get it?
the tamping station is available at Aliexpress
Hi what diameter bottomless portafilter does this machine require?
Also before I purchase it I wanted to know if that’s ok if the crema on top stays and if u have have tried the sugar test to see how slowly it sinks.
Thank you in advance
diameter 51mm.
@@ArtyHome thank you 😊
Any ideas for a good 3-4cup bottomless basket ( around 18gr )??? those from china have big holes and splatter everywhere .no crema at all . The original holds 14gr i need a bigger one , ty in advance
I bought the Neouza set from Amazon: 2 cups 16-19g, 1 cup (idk, 1 cup is too tricky), bottomless portafilter and the filter plate. Then from IMS, i bought the screen replacement (the one on the machine with the middle screw). I also got an Eureka Silenzio single dose mod grinder (single dose kit from Etsy), the lever steam knob (also from etsy) and the rancilio silvia v1/v2 steam wand replacement from Amazon. Never enough...
How do you get your crema to look so nice? I just got a non pressurised filter and my crema keeps coming out very light in colour which I understand is a sign of an underextracted shot. I don't have a grinder but I'm using coffee that was grinded in the roastery today. I've asked them to do a "standard" espresso grind for one bag and a slightly coarser one for another, but neither seem to come out nicely.
If you have a good grinder, it will be easier.
the under exctraction could also be because of the temperature not being right, which out of the box it isnt on this machine. Try this and see if it helps somewhat :
1. Set the temperature to High (instructions in the manual) 2. make 2 empty double shots. This ensures that the brewing temperature of the water is correct and prevents under extraction. I tested with a thermometer, and by default the temperature in cup would be around max 64 degrees celcius (147.2) but by changing brew temperature and taking out 2 empty shots it came to the usual 160 to 165 range, which is ideal. In tasting my coffee I also noticed it was not sour anymore (underextracted) which it was before I changed the settings
@@Dhruv1223 when u say make 2 empty double shots, i presume u mean to just press the double shot button twice with just water?
@@mohdnizar6342 yes
@@Dhruv1223Each time I want to use I should take those two water extractions? I have another problem when I use non pressurize porta filter my crama goes away so fast under 1 min but with normal porta filter it stays for long time is this because of underextraxtion?
Thank you. I never manage to get all that cream. not even with the bottomless portafilter
Time to change bean . Try slightly shiny beans
Buongiorno ho acquistato il filtro non pressurizzato. Malgrado abbia raddoppiato la dose di caffè e l'abbia pressata molto il risultato è un caffè per nulla cremoso?
puede ser que tengas que molerlo mas fino
Which espresso shot did you like the best?
The bottomless or the normal portafilter from dedica? :)
I also use both. Like the light taste of nolmal portafilter.
So is the 14g 34 seconds shot with portafilter fine as well?
Where is the Bottomlessfilter from
From eBay.
Thank you for your nicely prepared video. May I ask if the pressure you tamped the coffee ground were the same for both brews? I have heard that there is no need to tamp the ground for pressurized basket as hard as for bottomless portafilter. Is that true?
I heard the same about tamping with the pressurised basket. They are designed for people who don't want to spend time dialling in etc.
Is your tamper 51mm used to your portafilter bottom less? Mine also 51mm but only fit the half button of my tamper. Can you share where you bought your bottomless portafilter ?
I also encountered the same issue. I used 18g in my Neouza Bottomless portafilter but It felt like my tamping is not enough since it can only fit half. Any suggestions like increasing the dose? Or using othertools?
Can you give a link on the bottomless portafilter as well as the basket;
www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/303590352996?hash=item46af652864:g:MgEAAOSwRkhe8CMZ
@@ArtyHome thank you very much!
Friend you can use the factory portafilter just cut the bottom part. It works great!
@@aleksandarstojceski3139 What tool exactly did you use to cut it? I was thinking to do the same.
@@luks9687 On lathe.
Where buy bottomless portafilter?
www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/283906663348?var=585350119495&hash=item421a27e3b4:g:VrsAAOSwbR9e3ggZ
Why in the other clip u start timer when u press the button and in this clip u start timer when first drop hits the cup?
ทำไมอีกคลิปถึงเริ่มจับเวลาตอนกดปุ่มแล้วคลิปนี้เริ่มจับเวลาตอนที่น้ำหยดลงแก้วอะครับ?
Just can't get any crema out of it. Most of the time water doesn't even pass through the filter, don't matter if I use the original or the non presurized. Been practicing for weeks, still don't get satisfactory results.
I think the machine doesn't have enough power to get the water through the coffee in the filter.
I find my coffee not good yet. Hope if i buy new temper not original plastic one it will be better. I wanted buy bottomless filter too but it cost much and that filter + temper and i could buy for that money even automatic coffee maker. I find it cool my delonghi ec685 but didnt knew if i want good coffee i need buy those 2 parts for 60€ :( buy temper will be ok but not that filter . If temper will be enough to make coffee taste better it will be amazing. (Well i only have him 2md day now so maybe i am just not good enought with it yet )
From where did you buy the portafilter ?
From eBay.
And it came with a double or a single filter
Also could you please send me the address from where you bought it if possible?
@@georgiosgeorgotas773 Double filter.
@@georgiosgeorgotas773 www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/303590352996?var=602820115835&hash=item46af652864:g:MgEAAOSwRkhe8CMZ
Hello Arty. Thanks for these videos. They help me very much to understand how to make some espresso. And... Ti understand that this original portafilter is not good.
It is stuck every day. And we always loose fresh milled coffee if the hole is blocked.
I think i. The one and a half week we had 6 to 7 times it stuck.
So i wanted to buy a new portafikter bottomless. But unfortunately those you out into your desrciption arent available.
The prices of alternatives are from 13 to 45 Euros. So maybe you could tell em the price of YOURS to dind a similar one?
Would be really kind. Because not only me but also my wife gets angry about that.
Get an IMS portafilter basket. They're top quality, don't just buy any one from amazon. Also, make sure it's 51mm for the dedica
I tried the normal portafilter and the same machine. Also followed the same recipe, but my espresso tastes sour. Anyone know why?
Could be you ground to coarse, or bad water temperature
@@filipinoidiot I tried grinding fine and adjusted the temperature. Do you think it could be sour because my coffee is medium-roast?
@@MT-ud7qc could be the type of beans, some light roast have more acidity, or you might need to check your distribution, if your distribution is poor it can lead to poor extraction
@@filipinoidiot Thanks! I will try it again.
Hello! Beginner home espresso maker with the EC685 here! Thank you for the nice video!
Have fellow users here found the distributor to be an essential tool for a good cup of espresso? I’ve actually just learnt from this video that such thing exists! ☕️
You should find a good grinder like the Eureka Minog.
You should not knock against the portafilter to avoid channeling.
Thank you very much. I won't do it again.
Degree of perfect grinding ??
I can not identify. The fineness depends on the hardness of the ground coffee beans.
What is your grinder?
Compak k3 touch.
hold up now. You used 16g and only used the 1 shot button? I've been using the double shot button since i use a doubleshot basket in my bottomless portafilter. Am I missing something here?
You can schedule these buttons.
You can program each button. For programming you hold that button as long as necessary (how many seconds you need, for example 25sec), the next time you press it once, 25 seconds it is. You can do that as often you like..
Hi,
Really struggling to dail in my grinder and EC680. I am currently on the finest setting that allows my EC680 to push water through without it stalling. I am trying to solve sour shots. I tried reducing puck size down from 18g to 15g to lower pressure and that worked but any less and tamping does not help. Upgraded to bottomless portafilter. I read that you must not reduce puck size and MUST stick with puck that fits basket plus or minus 1g. latest is 15g in, 37g out, 30sec from first drip but still sour. Any advise?
I want you to try replacing the coffee beans. It is a medium-dark roast.
Did you set the higher temperature? It help too. And of course try different coffee and darker roast.
can you give a link for the dosing cup because i cant find anywhere :s
My dosing cup was a 2 oz stainless steel cup, which was incidentally the size of a dosing ring. I bought it from a Verasu store in Thailand.
www.verasu.com
I am using dedica grinder and not getting any creamer in naked Porta filters is the grinder not good
A good grinder is double the price of the machine, a manual grinder is as the same price as the machine :)
Crema depends more on your beans than the extraction
@@edshao2572 I use Lavazza beans should I use something else
Is there difference in taste ?
Huge difference! The basic filter is like filter coffee.
What's that sound? Wet farts?
Where can i get the cup that u hold the grind that can fit the 51mm basket 🤩 u know what i mean
2 oz stainless steel cup and dosing ring 51mm is sold on eBay.
I've watched no less than 30 videos and it didn't click until yours. 👍
It's a nonsense to compare double shot 18 g with single 14 g.
It does not depend on portafilter, but depends on time / volume. Set your grind and volume to get weight of the puck x 2 g just before 25 s and you will have nice coffee. After 30 s you will get too bitter one.
good video for me, thanks:)