Love and Thunder had issues, definetly, but in no way was Thor's arc fumbled. From where he starts in the film, to what he goes through and by the end of it, he actually grows more and has an arc. He knows his place in the world now, has a "daughter" he's sworn to protect and has moved on from Jane.
@@will_da_man_ Every movie with Thor is like taking 2 steps forward and one step back for his character. Throughtout a movie he'll mature, learn lessons and seems ready to be taken more seriously by the end. And then by the start of the next movie he's silly/stupid again and goes through a similar arc to the last movie. I get that's his coping mechanism for his loss but I just hope in his next movie we can see him have a more mature role from the start and have his daughter be the more silly one.
@Trez2332 that's not his character though, that's the inconsistent tone and forced jokes. All his development isn't ruined at all, it's not like he's still an arrogant man-baby like he was in the first movie or still fat and depressed like he was in Endgame.
I also like the idea that Loki then maybe sacrifices himself to bring Thor back. Not like a death sacrifice but like a service to the TVA forever kinda sacrifice
Not gonna lie, the description of Loki being found worthy of wielding Mjolnir and his character arc coming to that point literally gave me chills. I wish something like that happens with him, that would be absolutely amazing!
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In your suggestion of Thor having an epic one-on-one battle with Kang in the beginning of _The Kang Dynasty_ , I think that Thor should actually kill Kang (after their rather long sparring session that showcases Kang' immense technology), feel victorious, meet TVA Loki, and then be immediately killed by another variant of Kang the Conqueror. Doing this will formally introduce to us the Council of Kangs, and show us that Kang is unstoppable not because he is physically durable and powerful like Big Boss Thanos, but rather because a variant of him will always be there to step up as the Prime Kang of the Council of Kangs in the event that such Prime Kang dies. This poses a challenge to our current roster of Avengers as they cannot simply stop Kang by killing him; The problem of Kang is no longer an individual Kang, but an entire organization of him.
You know they'll never respect Thor like that mate. Your proposal has far, far too much care and consideration for Thor in it. He'll get shamelessly worf effected.
Interesting idea, but it might be too similar to past Thanos coming to the future, in that it's less satisfying because it's not the same Thanos that wiped out everyone.
or they could have him die from wounds sustained in the battle (similar to how thor dies in the original myths) but have another kang show up just as the heroes are celebrating and mourning thor
Your idea for Loki watching Thor die after the reverse happening 2/3 times is pure genius and then for Loki to be worthy enough to wield mjolnir and his ark to be finally be worthy is beyond genius. Absolutely love it
I'll fully agree, Hemsworth has been with the MCU for 10 years at this point and honestly where else can you go with Thor post-Endgame/L&T it's really does feel like his story had come to an end
It hasn’t king thor is at the end of all things he’s the last person at the end of the universe where he doe’s battle with Gore, the mcu wrote him into a corner but there are many stories thor has left to tell and to things to do, he also has grandchildren but they gave him a kid….the decisions made with thor are very short sighted given so much lore he has.
I must say this was a genius way to conclude Loki’s arc and Thor’s arc in Kang Dynasty. A warrior having his final battle and a man wanting to continue his brother’s legacy. I honestly hope we see smth like this in the actual movie.
I kinda hope Thor will get a 5th movie for his ending. Normally main characters don't end in their solo movie. So ending Thor in a Thor 5 would not only make it a different ending but also gives him one more time to shine again
@@jeremymorris345 they have a great track record so let’s hope. Personally I wasn’t a huge fan of the cartoonish vibe/over the top costume designs specifically in Love & Thunder. If they revert back to Thor’s more balanced tone I’d hope the sillier elements of the costumes are toned down a little bit too.
Agreed. I would say it would be better that Hulk is killed by Kang. Hulk can’t have his own movies so his use is limited. And if they really want they can still bring him back as Immortal Hulk later.
The way you mixed the doctor who dialogue in there really got me 😭 It absolutely sums up the Thor's character, especially with Jane Foster in Dark World.
I remember hearing rumors a couple months back that apparently Marvel doesn’t know what to do with him anymore and is thinking of ways to write him out of the universe. So He’ll die soon, and it’s actually really sad. I personally think Marvel wasted Thor. He could be do much cooler, and they just dropped the ball after that last movie. They really took his best villain, wasted him, and the opportunity for Thor to find true godhood and become a leader again. It was cool seeing him with the avengers, but he could’ve been so much more to me by now and it’s sad he isn’t.
but also there isn't really any good source material in comics about Thor, atleast Odinson, because James Foster Thor is extremely good in comics, but also been wasted by poor managment on Thor 4, especially with that cutting of the film, rushing it, cgi and stuff...
I hope they don't kill him off. I'd rather see him retire like his father and become a wise mentor for future Asgardians and possible Avengers. Besides, we've already lost a lot of the Asgardian characters already.
@@Kulei666 God of Thunder, Blood and Thunder, The Jurgens run, Straczynski. Yes there was and is good source material for Thor, Come on now lol. Even then, I’m not saying you need to adapt them. I’m just saying Thor is more than a dumb drunk who cracks jokes, flirts to his hammer, and just gives Asgard to an even bigger drunk to rule that he barely even knows. Like I said, they wasted the opportunity to have him attain true godhood and become a leader again. Just do it well. They didn’t.
@@Unversed333 I don’t see him being a “wise” anything after that last movie. Made sense for Odin because at least they didn’t make him a goof. He doesn’t have his Kingdom, or feel like a god anymore to me tbh. They missed the time to truly develop him into more I think. I’m not saying Thor 5 can’t be good, but idk where they could go from here.
It’s hemsworth’s own fault if Thor sucks. He came out of TDW, went into that awful ghostbusters movie and demanded that if Marvel wanted to keep him they’d have to give him something more comedic to do. Turning him back into the dumbass he was at the beginning of his first movie turned his character arc into a circle. Recast and good riddance.
I think Endgame was where Thor's arc started to go wrong. While him being fat was a... flawed idea, where it really messed up was closing the opportunity for King Thor. It's fine that he doesn't want to be king at the end of that movie, but it still feels like him becoming king of his people was the natural next step for his character and he should've been allowed to go there in future movies. But instead, he remained a static adventurer, which leaves little space for him to grow.
Agreed. Tony & Steve got satisfying conclusions, Thor settling into his role as a calmer wiser king would’ve been a perfect conclusion to his current arc & still left room for more stories.
Honestly, I feel like the lethargy worked for Thor. I liked how they (at least tried to) hone his character more mythically-accurate, and while they did basically just make him "the fat character" for the majority of the film, it helps to showcase that trauma and anguish aren't solved with a workout-montage, but that we need to maintain support both internally and externally to bring ourselves back up from the pit of despair and depression (up until Thor 4, when they tossed everything out the window for shit all).
I feel like this would wrap Thor up in a satisfying way, also to show how Kang is a totally different beast to someone like Thanos which realistically could be outmuscled by Infinity War Thor whereas Kang has immense time based power, how do you fight someone who can just run it back and try a new tactic?
As soon as you mentioned Loki and the scene taking place in the beginning, I instantly knew you just dropped another banger video. As much as I love Thor, that has to be the only way for him to go out and it’s highly unlikely Loki will die again so it fits. It’s only right the roles are reversed this time but the affects are 100% permanent.
great video! Kang killing Thor in the beginning of Kang Dynasty would almost be on par as Thanos killing Loki in the beginning of Infinity War - it would set the stakes!
@@JamTaylor69onestly they’d be wasting doom if he dies in secret wars too. He could be introduced as the next big bad by doing that, but people wouldn’t be satisfied because if you look at endgame, the threat was defeated. Like sure we could introduce doom and kill him in the same film, but that’d be such a waste
Of the original Avengers, Thor is possibly my favorite. I was actually disappointed by there being so much comedy surrounding his collapse after Infinity War given all that he'd been through. I would like for Thor to be taken a little more seriously again. Having said that, I loved the Loki series, and I'm excited for season two at long last! Thank you guys for another thoughtful video. God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Somehow I already know you’ve written a better arc for Thor in Kang Dynasty than what will actually happen. How would you feel about a Logan style story following Thor and his daughter, more serious in tone and ultimately ending with Thors death?
And that's the real tragedy of nerds writing prospective possible stories for corporation- and studio-based movies. There's too many people with skewed perspectives that want to send a message and make money, not tell a story.
“The god of thunder” an epic final curtain for beloved Thor and his fight against his biggest nemesis, an evil version of himself who has lost everyone and became a evil dictator.
There's a rumor out there that Robert Eggers (The VVitch, The lighthouse, The Northman) is on the list of directors for a potential Thor 5 following the completion of his Nosferatu remake. I think that if he survives Secret Wars, having someone with such a specific and unique vision tackling Thor could do great work in ending his story and giving him 1 last great film, ala Logan
@@bluesbest1 Funny, isn't it? If we have to send off beloved characters, we do so with dignity. Not so that they can be replaced. If Rocket dies in Guardians 3, I can totally see How It Should Have Ended making a joke about Howard the Duck auditioning to take his place.
Disney has a billion dollar marketing department. The fact that they missed that "Quantumania" has "Ant Man" perfectly centred within itself (two letters on each end, one in between, perfectly centred) is just hilarious to me. I need to see someone edit together that title card.
I really like this idea of Thor's sacrifice fueling Loki's redemption, and I think the idea of multiple Mjolnirs hitting Kang at the same time would also be a good nod to the same move used by Strange Supreme in the fight against Ultron in What if.
I love the fact that you pay respects to Doctor who occasionally on this channel, and use the many great lines that giant over the lifeless dialogue and narrative that MCU has today, Kudos!
I love All-father Thor in the comics, the Thor that has grown old, build an eternal legacy and settles old scores. I would like to see him in the MCU that way before Hemsworth leaves. So Kang killing Thor at his most powerful in the future, would be both impressive, tie up in his time travel motif and be something for Loki to witness.
I love this idea, but another way you could go about it is making Thor 5 a big operatic ballad showcasing Thor in his last journey, something that feels like the end
When loki gets his redemption, he should represent more than just thor i think. Make him represent all the marvel universe asgardian monarchy (with the blades of his sister, his fathers crows, whatever his mother has in North mythology) It would be a compilation of his arc, arguably started in thor 1, but it's catalyst being your savior is here in thor 3
Thor is one of those heroes that shouldn't die in my opinion, but rather he should ascend to a higher path of understanding like Odin. A being so powerful that unless the avengers can't fix something he stays out of the conflict but he remains as an advisor if needed
I think a Gamora”-esk role like Infinity War could work. Similarly to Gamora’s death, Thor’s death could be a substantial turning point for Kang the way Thanos had to make a sacrifice. How it would be done, not sure, but if Thor were to take a step back and play a side role like Gamora in Infinity War while still keeping a compelling story, it could work..
Couldn’t agree more, and I really liked the way you set out how it should go down. Establishes that this villain is more formidable than the last and also completes a character’s journey.
What if they use Thor's exit as a way to finally introduce the fan-favorite Korbinite, Beta Ray Bill? He does exist somewhere in the MCU, and there has been conversations about introducing him in a future movie.
“Kang’s first act in an Avengers movie is doing what Thanos could never do- destroy Thor.” Flashback to Thanos’ first act in Infinity War being absolutely trouncing Thor+Hulk+Loki, and wiping out half the remaining Asgardians
@@FullFatVideos while yes, Thor was indeed the one who killed Thanos, it was already too little too late at that point- and Thor knew it. The trauma of his failure sent him into a deep depression, destroying Thor’s hero persona (at least during the Blip)
I agree wholeheartedly that they NEED to include Loki in this new story in a great way, and this honestly sounds so perfect. I hope they are able to do Loki's character arc justice going forward.
I once saw somebody write down an essay of a leak of Quantumania. I always take them with a pinch of salt, but when it reached the scene where Scott meets Kang and says he's an Avenger, Kang asks if he's "the god with the hammer". Scott comments that people mistake him for Thor all the time. Now Majors is talking about how he wants Kang to fight Thor and I'm creeped out.
As much as I am on board for the Thor story you just proposed, there is something I really love about the idea of him outliving everyone. The curse of being a god, of being an immortal, having to watch everyone he loves pass on while he endures. It might be cool, at some point in one of the films if they ever really wrap up this iteration of The MCU continuity, to maybe see Old King Thor alone at like the end of time, reflecting on his time in the distant past with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Maybe he just got all of his adventures written down in an old book that we see him closing. It could be a really nice coda to The MCU Saga.
I would at least like to see Love & Thunder's post credit scene be fulfilled in one last Thor solo movie. And I would prefer that the film's new director takes the story to a darker, more mature place. Thor could learn to be a father to someone who isn't even his own child, mourning the loss of Jane, culminating in an epic battle between Thor and Hercules. Thor and Hercules could bond over their experiences of growing up with a problematic father figure. There are many directions it could go in. Since Chris Hemsworth wouldn't want to go on playing the character for much longer after that, I figured your pitch for his death during Avengers: Kang Dynasty would be a great send off to his character. On a side note I think not having more interactions between Thor and the Guardians of The Galaxy (especially Peter Quill considering how much they have in common) was a huge missed opportunity. I maybe just don't want another Homecoming post credit situation where the end of the movie teases something like the next movie's villain and it goes absolutely nowhere.
In Thors' story you can almost say the devil he knows/knew is better than the one he doesn't. From Loki to Malekith to Ultron to Hela to Thanos to Gorr you take one devil out a new one takes their place. That has to be tiring for his character. I'm sure at some point it could be with Kang, he and Thor would end up having some sort of big sacrifice together where they seeming both die and Kang will return and say somthing along the lines of "oh did I not mention I survive this and Thor does not, my bad" something like that to end Avengers 5. That would make the audience feel right to go see Avengers 6 and give the Avengers someone to avenge.
Pretty fucking awesome - especially the idea of Loki getting the hammer. I think I would still have them exchange words, just to give Thor an extra moment of dignity before he dies… Maybe Loki can say that Asgardian prayer that Thor was saying in Ragnarok for Odin: I’m not sure how it starts, but I know it would end like this: _“…Thor, I bid you take your place in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave shall live forever. Nor shall we mourn, but rejoice for those who have died a glorious death.”_
I think they are setting it up because in the ant man quantumania comic con trailer kang asks Scott if he’s the one with the hammer , after Scott tells him he’s an avenger . Meaning kang knows who Thor is and has fought maybe even killed him before .
I’d love to learn that Loki had an Uber-powerful kid somewhere who claimed the throne of Jotunheim and is seeking to fill the Power Vacuum left after Ragnarok. Perhaps Thor could go out in a blaze of Glory during a conflict with this new Jotunheim.
First of all that is really good storytelling on your part; not only is it somewhat likely it's epic, but deep down I hope we get numerous more Thor movies, that may be too much hope for.
I love Loki, but I can’t see him being THE hero to bet Kang. We’ve got about 12 Avengers to do that. But I love the idea of Kang killing Thor. I also like the idea of Loki reuniting with Thor for some brotherly love. Then they both go to fight Kang together, realise they can’t beat him, but both decide to defend the universe anyway. They look at each other, knowing their fate (Toy Story 3 incinerator scene vibes), and both perish in the battle, but ultimately temporarily save the universe/ other avengers, until Kang comes back later.
Dude you just reinvigorated my passion for the MCU just by hearing that as a possibility . You should definitely send in to marvel and be a writer , the idea of loki carrying the hammer is just brilliant and lord knows with some of their flops in recent years they could use the help in the writing department... Plus whatever they do , if Thor dies it needs to be done in epic fashion. Maybe he is the one who kills Kang eventually but in doing so he also dies . Hemsworth carried the MCU through some pretty dull years and if he decides to call it quits he deserves an ending fitting of the god if thunder himself for the 10+ years he gave us Marvel's fans
They've destroyed Thor as a character beyond repair with Endgame and Thor 4. Just kill him off already. Show him mercy. No more jokes. No more reinventing. Just give him a heroic death.
Thor used to be a great character, and his death would have been felt and it would have been a sad moment and great end of a great character, UNTIL LOVE AND THUNDER CAME ALONG AND RUINED THOR BY MAKING HIM AN IDIOT WHO ALL OF A SUDDEN DOESNT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT AND MAKES CRINGEY QUIPS ALL THE TIME
"Thor must go to Valhalla" made me weirdly emotional and i am not even Scandinavian. Knowing the importance of Valhalla in Norse mythology this has to be a huge deal. If i see thor entering Valhalla and seeing all his fallen comrades and his family i would literally cry 😢
@@Aidan977 I mean not to be like all "m-she-u MCU is woke now" I swear alot of the heroes have been replaced with female versions lmao which I mean nothing wrong with that if it's done correctly I guess (although I could just be mistaken )
Dude, I am 100% in for that storyline you just described! All of that stuff about Loki‘s character arc, witnessing Thor’s death, and wielding Mjionir, just great stuff. A real chefs kiss!
I never comment on RUclips videos but I have been compelled Benoit Blanc-style to only comment on the Full Fat. I full-heartedly agree with everything! The Hemsworth deserves a proper send off like Cap and Tony. As you were talking about his ending, I instantly thought about a scene reversal where Loki watches his brother die ala Infinity War…but then Loki, thru his redemption arc with the TVA, is found worthy uses Mjolnir against Kang to sway the battle. However, the end would see Loki cathartically realize he doesn’t need Mjolnir and passes it to the legacy character to carry on Thor’s name. Quick mid-credit stinger shows Thor reunited with Jane in Valhalla. A proper ending to Thor. Well done!
I agree Kang needs to kill Thor. Thor peaked at Infinity War and we need Infinity War Thor back that goes down swinging against Kang. Perfect way to end his journey.
I really love this. Having the idea that Loki ends Kang is fantastic! He is, as he says “Destined for greatness”. If anything, kang should “die” at the end of Kang Dynasty, and introduce Doom as a huge threat in Secret Wars, and continue to build him after that resolution. Doom is such a huge character to Marvel mythos, and introducing him as God doom is such a great way to show his potential. After SW’s resolution, the audience can still understand how dangerous he is, even though he lost.
Well, Thor is probably one of the only remaining original Avengers tbh other than Hawkeye and Hulk. But Thor’s sacrifice would be more impactful tho. And the reports that Hemsworth wants to spend more time with family
Hemsworth wants to move on because he had a health scare, and wants to spend more time with family; it had nothing to do with the reception of Love, and Thunder.
This whole idea is so good, that if it's anything less impressive I'll be severely disappointed. Guardians 3 has given me hope that there's still a lingering spark of hope and care for this universe, and i just hope they don't continue throwing it all away.
Damn. I think you might've nailed it with the Thor/Loki reunion. Having Thor die and take mjolnir also plays on those audition tapes of Hiddleston trying out for Thor.
Your pitch was so much better than anything in the MCU lately ngl almost cried thinking about it although i gotta say i would like Thor to another movie for himself to close off his journey
Beginning: Nooo!! What about Love? 2:53 plus, didn't he say he wanted to step back from performing after getting a health scare? 5:39 yes, exactly. I think the hammer choosing is a bit much but I like it because Mjölnir and Loki teaming up to defeat their loved one's killer? Nice.
I actually liked Love and Thunder. It was Korg telling a group of kids a story, I thought that aspect was great. Also liked Jane trying to come up with a catchphrase.
That is a great proposal.. and I didn’t see where your story was going. got emotional just thinking about Loki mourning his brother and picking up mjolnir. Hopefully an MCU film will draw that kind of emotion from us in the near future
This idea is guaranteed to have the audience in tears - ESPECIALLY if it ends with Thor in Valhalla reuniting with Jane and Heimdall (among others). Brilliant idea, I hope they do something like this 🤞🏼
Genius video I would of never thought of this, the MCU could make a serious comeback in quality if they pull this off, maybe even have dr doom pulling some strings in the background to have him transition smoothly into the next big bad in secret wars too.
Chris Hemsworth deserves a great ending for Thor, especially how his last movie really fumbled his arc
Agreed. If done right, his sacrifice could be as impactful as Tony's exist.
@@somerandolad it must be
Love and Thunder had issues, definetly, but in no way was Thor's arc fumbled. From where he starts in the film, to what he goes through and by the end of it, he actually grows more and has an arc. He knows his place in the world now, has a "daughter" he's sworn to protect and has moved on from Jane.
@@will_da_man_ Every movie with Thor is like taking 2 steps forward and one step back for his character. Throughtout a movie he'll mature, learn lessons and seems ready to be taken more seriously by the end. And then by the start of the next movie he's silly/stupid again and goes through a similar arc to the last movie. I get that's his coping mechanism for his loss but I just hope in his next movie we can see him have a more mature role from the start and have his daughter be the more silly one.
@Trez2332 that's not his character though, that's the inconsistent tone and forced jokes. All his development isn't ruined at all, it's not like he's still an arrogant man-baby like he was in the first movie or still fat and depressed like he was in Endgame.
I want a role reversal of Loki's deaths where Thor sacrifices himself to save TVA Loki.
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I also like the idea that Loki then maybe sacrifices himself to bring Thor back. Not like a death sacrifice but like a service to the TVA forever kinda sacrifice
God tier idea
Wait isn’t Loki dead lol
Not gonna lie, the description of Loki being found worthy of wielding Mjolnir and his character arc coming to that point literally gave me chills. I wish something like that happens with him, that would be absolutely amazing!
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Same!!
Not to mention it would be great for Tom Hiddleston since he originally auditioned to play Thor!
That scenario of Loki seeing Thor die genuinely made me tear up - if I see that I will bawl at ‘you’re going to die for that’ 😭
Wow
I will admit it sounds like a pretty sad scene
One thing they should add is in the background the sun is shining on both of them, just like Loki said in infinity war
In your suggestion of Thor having an epic one-on-one battle with Kang in the beginning of _The Kang Dynasty_ , I think that Thor should actually kill Kang (after their rather long sparring session that showcases Kang' immense technology), feel victorious, meet TVA Loki, and then be immediately killed by another variant of Kang the Conqueror. Doing this will formally introduce to us the Council of Kangs, and show us that Kang is unstoppable not because he is physically durable and powerful like Big Boss Thanos, but rather because a variant of him will always be there to step up as the Prime Kang of the Council of Kangs in the event that such Prime Kang dies. This poses a challenge to our current roster of Avengers as they cannot simply stop Kang by killing him; The problem of Kang is no longer an individual Kang, but an entire organization of him.
You know they'll never respect Thor like that mate. Your proposal has far, far too much care and consideration for Thor in it. He'll get shamelessly worf effected.
Interesting idea, but it might be too similar to past Thanos coming to the future, in that it's less satisfying because it's not the same Thanos that wiped out everyone.
or they could have him die from wounds sustained in the battle (similar to how thor dies in the original myths) but have another kang show up just as the heroes are celebrating and mourning thor
@@technounionrepresentative4274 9 steps!
@@J1283-s1k Not sure how killing him off shows respect. Lol
Your idea for Loki watching Thor die after the reverse happening 2/3 times is pure genius and then for Loki to be worthy enough to wield mjolnir and his ark to be finally be worthy is beyond genius. Absolutely love it
Thank you!
I'll fully agree, Hemsworth has been with the MCU for 10 years at this point and honestly where else can you go with Thor post-Endgame/L&T it's really does feel like his story had come to an end
There’s a lot you can do but people lack imagination.
It hasn’t king thor is at the end of all things he’s the last person at the end of the universe where he doe’s battle with Gore, the mcu wrote him into a corner but there are many stories thor has left to tell and to things to do, he also has grandchildren but they gave him a kid….the decisions made with thor are very short sighted given so much lore he has.
@@jaimeruiz7837 thor will die in secret wars
Taika pisses me off so much if he didnt make an ass movie hemsworth woudve continued
@@marko9463 than go piss about it thor will die in secret wars
I must say this was a genius way to conclude Loki’s arc and Thor’s arc in Kang Dynasty. A warrior having his final battle and a man wanting to continue his brother’s legacy. I honestly hope we see smth like this in the actual movie.
I kinda hope Thor will get a 5th movie for his ending. Normally main characters don't end in their solo movie. So ending Thor in a Thor 5 would not only make it a different ending but also gives him one more time to shine again
Plus we need to pay off the end credit scene with Hercules somewhere.
@@jeremymorris345 he looked so whack though. Taika's style really jumped the shark.
@@Mdautkreix Hercule's design is literally perfect. It's also comic accurate which the MCU is leaning more towards.
@@jeremymorris345 they have a great track record so let’s hope. Personally I wasn’t a huge fan of the cartoonish vibe/over the top costume designs specifically in Love & Thunder. If they revert back to Thor’s more balanced tone I’d hope the sillier elements of the costumes are toned down a little bit too.
Agreed. I would say it would be better that Hulk is killed by Kang. Hulk can’t have his own movies so his use is limited. And if they really want they can still bring him back as Immortal Hulk later.
The way you mixed the doctor who dialogue in there really got me 😭 It absolutely sums up the Thor's character, especially with Jane Foster in Dark World.
I remember hearing rumors a couple months back that apparently Marvel doesn’t know what to do with him anymore and is thinking of ways to write him out of the universe. So He’ll die soon, and it’s actually really sad. I personally think Marvel wasted Thor. He could be do much cooler, and they just dropped the ball after that last movie. They really took his best villain, wasted him, and the opportunity for Thor to find true godhood and become a leader again. It was cool seeing him with the avengers, but he could’ve been so much more to me by now and it’s sad he isn’t.
but also there isn't really any good source material in comics about Thor, atleast Odinson, because James Foster Thor is extremely good in comics, but also been wasted by poor managment on Thor 4, especially with that cutting of the film, rushing it, cgi and stuff...
I hope they don't kill him off. I'd rather see him retire like his father and become a wise mentor for future Asgardians and possible Avengers. Besides, we've already lost a lot of the Asgardian characters already.
@@Kulei666 God of Thunder, Blood and Thunder, The Jurgens run, Straczynski. Yes there was and is good source material for Thor, Come on now lol. Even then, I’m not saying you need to adapt them. I’m just saying Thor is more than a dumb drunk who cracks jokes, flirts to his hammer, and just gives Asgard to an even bigger drunk to rule that he barely even knows.
Like I said, they wasted the opportunity to have him attain true godhood and become a leader again. Just do it well. They didn’t.
@@Unversed333 I don’t see him being a “wise” anything after that last movie. Made sense for Odin because at least they didn’t make him a goof. He doesn’t have his Kingdom, or feel like a god anymore to me tbh. They missed the time to truly develop him into more I think. I’m not saying Thor 5 can’t be good, but idk where they could go from here.
It’s hemsworth’s own fault if Thor sucks.
He came out of TDW, went into that awful ghostbusters movie and demanded that if Marvel wanted to keep him they’d have to give him something more comedic to do. Turning him back into the dumbass he was at the beginning of his first movie turned his character arc into a circle.
Recast and good riddance.
You forgot the after credit scene where Thor enters Valhalla and sees all the other fallen heroes waiting for him :'(
You mean his family
@@thorriklawrence449 and Jane 😢
Bro i would literally cry if i see that
f##k jane will show up again she has a comic where she becomes a valkyrie
it would be nice to see past thor characters get some acknowledgment since the last two movies kinda tossed them aside
finally a unique mcu video that isn't just talking about how marvel is going downhill! and a good one at that, love your ideas
Wow, thanks!
I think Endgame was where Thor's arc started to go wrong. While him being fat was a... flawed idea, where it really messed up was closing the opportunity for King Thor. It's fine that he doesn't want to be king at the end of that movie, but it still feels like him becoming king of his people was the natural next step for his character and he should've been allowed to go there in future movies. But instead, he remained a static adventurer, which leaves little space for him to grow.
Thor being fat was because every avenger had a different form of depression. Thor was alcohol and gluttony. Could have worked, botched it
Agreed. Tony & Steve got satisfying conclusions, Thor settling into his role as a calmer wiser king would’ve been a perfect conclusion to his current arc & still left room for more stories.
Honestly, I feel like the lethargy worked for Thor. I liked how they (at least tried to) hone his character more mythically-accurate, and while they did basically just make him "the fat character" for the majority of the film, it helps to showcase that trauma and anguish aren't solved with a workout-montage, but that we need to maintain support both internally and externally to bring ourselves back up from the pit of despair and depression (up until Thor 4, when they tossed everything out the window for shit all).
I feel like this would wrap Thor up in a satisfying way, also to show how Kang is a totally different beast to someone like Thanos which realistically could be outmuscled by Infinity War Thor whereas Kang has immense time based power, how do you fight someone who can just run it back and try a new tactic?
Simple:
“If an enemy insists on war, then you take away their ability to wage it.”
No we want Rune King Thor, one shots Kang and then he can retireb
@@ArmedandDangerous918 too powerful for the MCU
He would solo the MCU lol😂
As soon as you mentioned Loki and the scene taking place in the beginning, I instantly knew you just dropped another banger video. As much as I love Thor, that has to be the only way for him to go out and it’s highly unlikely Loki will die again so it fits. It’s only right the roles are reversed this time but the affects are 100% permanent.
great video! Kang killing Thor in the beginning of Kang Dynasty would almost be on par as Thanos killing Loki in the beginning of Infinity War - it would set the stakes!
How would kang die?
@@thesnipingspider3852dr doom needs to defeat Kang
@@JamTaylor69onestly they’d be wasting doom if he dies in secret wars too. He could be introduced as the next big bad by doing that, but people wouldn’t be satisfied because if you look at endgame, the threat was defeated. Like sure we could introduce doom and kill him in the same film, but that’d be such a waste
@@JamTaylor69 please no
@@bananaking664 please yes
Of the original Avengers, Thor is possibly my favorite. I was actually disappointed by there being so much comedy surrounding his collapse after Infinity War given all that he'd been through. I would like for Thor to be taken a little more seriously again. Having said that, I loved the Loki series, and I'm excited for season two at long last! Thank you guys for another thoughtful video.
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Actual chills.
A callback with genuine emotional resonance, and a really interesting place to take that story.
Somehow I already know you’ve written a better arc for Thor in Kang Dynasty than what will actually happen.
How would you feel about a Logan style story following Thor and his daughter, more serious in tone and ultimately ending with Thors death?
And that's the real tragedy of nerds writing prospective possible stories for corporation- and studio-based movies. There's too many people with skewed perspectives that want to send a message and make money, not tell a story.
“The god of thunder” an epic final curtain for beloved Thor and his fight against his biggest nemesis, an evil version of himself who has lost everyone and became a evil dictator.
There's a rumor out there that Robert Eggers (The VVitch, The lighthouse, The Northman) is on the list of directors for a potential Thor 5 following the completion of his Nosferatu remake. I think that if he survives Secret Wars, having someone with such a specific and unique vision tackling Thor could do great work in ending his story and giving him 1 last great film, ala Logan
@@theprojectofgamers Ngl, a Thor movie directed by Robert Eggers would go hard. I loved The Northman. 🔥
@@bluesbest1 Funny, isn't it? If we have to send off beloved characters, we do so with dignity. Not so that they can be replaced. If Rocket dies in Guardians 3, I can totally see How It Should Have Ended making a joke about Howard the Duck auditioning to take his place.
Disney has a billion dollar marketing department. The fact that they missed that "Quantumania" has "Ant Man" perfectly centred within itself (two letters on each end, one in between, perfectly centred) is just hilarious to me. I need to see someone edit together that title card.
They still need wasp in the title.
@@jeremymorris345 ...do they though?
@@JdeMolay Yes
@@jeremymorris345 It's already a pretty crowded title anyways
@@jeremymorris345 They really don't.
I don't think he needs to die yet, he is supposed to be extremly powerful and we haven't seen him achieve his full potential.
Although I get what you mean I feel like they might have to kill him off soon, just recast him or worse just make him an off-screen character
@@SYXX-II The answer is simple. Recast. We give these actors too much primacy. The characters go beyond them
I really like this idea of Thor's sacrifice fueling Loki's redemption, and I think the idea of multiple Mjolnirs hitting Kang at the same time would also be a good nod to the same move used by Strange Supreme in the fight against Ultron in What if.
I love the fact that you pay respects to Doctor who occasionally on this channel, and use the many great lines that giant over the lifeless dialogue and narrative that MCU has today, Kudos!
I love All-father Thor in the comics, the Thor that has grown old, build an eternal legacy and settles old scores. I would like to see him in the MCU that way before Hemsworth leaves. So Kang killing Thor at his most powerful in the future, would be both impressive, tie up in his time travel motif and be something for Loki to witness.
God I love these ideas so much. Praying they do something similar in the coming years.
Me too. Let's hope
I love this idea, but another way you could go about it is making Thor 5 a big operatic ballad showcasing Thor in his last journey, something that feels like the end
That would be so epic, Taika would never do it
When loki gets his redemption, he should represent more than just thor i think. Make him represent all the marvel universe asgardian monarchy (with the blades of his sister, his fathers crows, whatever his mother has in North mythology)
It would be a compilation of his arc, arguably started in thor 1, but it's catalyst being your savior is here in thor 3
I think his mom was able to shapeshift, but I could be way off base
Thor is one of those heroes that shouldn't die in my opinion, but rather he should ascend to a higher path of understanding like Odin. A being so powerful that unless the avengers can't fix something he stays out of the conflict but he remains as an advisor if needed
I think a Gamora”-esk role like Infinity War could work. Similarly to Gamora’s death, Thor’s death could be a substantial turning point for Kang the way Thanos had to make a sacrifice. How it would be done, not sure, but if Thor were to take a step back and play a side role like Gamora in Infinity War while still keeping a compelling story, it could work..
Gamora is key in IW she has a lot of screen time. More than some earth avengers...she is wasn't in a side role
Oooooo chills when you describe Loki missing his chance! So good...
Couldn’t agree more, and I really liked the way you set out how it should go down. Establishes that this villain is more formidable than the last and also completes a character’s journey.
What if they use Thor's exit as a way to finally introduce the fan-favorite Korbinite, Beta Ray Bill? He does exist somewhere in the MCU, and there has been conversations about introducing him in a future movie.
I hope this happens. Bill has to acquire stormbreaker somehow
I would love to see a huge battle between thor and kang
“Kang’s first act in an Avengers movie is doing what Thanos could never do- destroy Thor.”
Flashback to Thanos’ first act in Infinity War being absolutely trouncing Thor+Hulk+Loki, and wiping out half the remaining Asgardians
Doesn’t finish him off though does he? Remember that tiny part where Thor chops his head off?
@@FullFatVideos while yes, Thor was indeed the one who killed Thanos, it was already too little too late at that point- and Thor knew it. The trauma of his failure sent him into a deep depression, destroying Thor’s hero persona (at least during the Blip)
I agree wholeheartedly that they NEED to include Loki in this new story in a great way, and this honestly sounds so perfect. I hope they are able to do Loki's character arc justice going forward.
I once saw somebody write down an essay of a leak of Quantumania. I always take them with a pinch of salt, but when it reached the scene where Scott meets Kang and says he's an Avenger, Kang asks if he's "the god with the hammer". Scott comments that people mistake him for Thor all the time.
Now Majors is talking about how he wants Kang to fight Thor and I'm creeped out.
As much as I am on board for the Thor story you just proposed, there is something I really love about the idea of him outliving everyone. The curse of being a god, of being an immortal, having to watch everyone he loves pass on while he endures. It might be cool, at some point in one of the films if they ever really wrap up this iteration of The MCU continuity, to maybe see Old King Thor alone at like the end of time, reflecting on his time in the distant past with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Maybe he just got all of his adventures written down in an old book that we see him closing. It could be a really nice coda to The MCU Saga.
I would at least like to see Love & Thunder's post credit scene be fulfilled in one last Thor solo movie. And I would prefer that the film's new director takes the story to a darker, more mature place. Thor could learn to be a father to someone who isn't even his own child, mourning the loss of Jane, culminating in an epic battle between Thor and Hercules. Thor and Hercules could bond over their experiences of growing up with a problematic father figure. There are many directions it could go in.
Since Chris Hemsworth wouldn't want to go on playing the character for much longer after that, I figured your pitch for his death during
Avengers: Kang Dynasty would be a great send off to his character. On a side note I think not having more interactions between Thor and the Guardians of The Galaxy (especially Peter Quill considering how much they have in common) was a huge missed opportunity. I maybe just don't want another Homecoming post credit situation where the end of the movie teases something like the next movie's villain and it goes absolutely nowhere.
The GOTG not interacting much with the earth heroes is a missed oportunity
In Thors' story you can almost say the devil he knows/knew is better than the one he doesn't. From Loki to Malekith to Ultron to Hela to Thanos to Gorr you take one devil out a new one takes their place. That has to be tiring for his character. I'm sure at some point it could be with Kang, he and Thor would end up having some sort of big sacrifice together where they seeming both die and Kang will return and say somthing along the lines of "oh did I not mention I survive this and Thor does not, my bad" something like that to end Avengers 5. That would make the audience feel right to go see Avengers 6 and give the Avengers someone to avenge.
Pretty fucking awesome - especially the idea of Loki getting the hammer. I think I would still have them exchange words, just to give Thor an extra moment of dignity before he dies… Maybe Loki
can say that Asgardian prayer that Thor was saying in Ragnarok for Odin:
I’m not sure how it starts, but I know it would end like this: _“…Thor, I bid you take your place in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave shall live forever. Nor shall we mourn, but rejoice for those who have died a glorious death.”_
That narration was absolutely amazing! If only the "professionals" had this amount of creativity and depth.
I think they are setting it up because in the ant man quantumania comic con trailer kang asks Scott if he’s the one with the hammer , after Scott tells him he’s an avenger . Meaning kang knows who Thor is and has fought maybe even killed him before .
Wait really?
Kang asks Scott that if he's the one with the hammer?
@@Vivekraj-in8gq 😂😂
@@runekingthor8547 or is this a Jonathan joke I didn't get😅
Just this layout you made has me close to tears. Even if I don’t see it on screen, I’ll be satisfied knowing that this idea is out here
We need to see him as King Thor first
this is infinitely better than whatever marvel is gonna spew out when they get to it....thanks for the vid
I’d love to learn that Loki had an Uber-powerful kid somewhere who claimed the throne of Jotunheim and is seeking to fill the Power Vacuum left after Ragnarok.
Perhaps Thor could go out in a blaze of Glory during a conflict with this new Jotunheim.
First of all that is really good storytelling on your part; not only is it somewhat likely it's epic, but deep down I hope we get numerous more Thor movies, that may be too much hope for.
I'd love to see a Thor power-up fighting Kang.
I love Loki, but I can’t see him being THE hero to bet Kang. We’ve got about 12 Avengers to do that. But I love the idea of Kang killing Thor. I also like the idea of Loki reuniting with Thor for some brotherly love. Then they both go to fight Kang together, realise they can’t beat him, but both decide to defend the universe anyway. They look at each other, knowing their fate (Toy Story 3 incinerator scene vibes), and both perish in the battle, but ultimately temporarily save the universe/ other avengers, until Kang comes back later.
Damn, Loki picking up the hammer hit hard
Your pitch is pretty dope. Shame it won't happen though. It's just too clever and thematically intelligent to actually be what happens.
Sounds logical and emotional, but we all know marvel hasn't been making smart decisions recently
Lets hope phase 5 brings back the quality. If quantum mania turns out to be shit, i’d be very worried and disappointed
Dude you just reinvigorated my passion for the MCU just by hearing that as a possibility . You should definitely send in to marvel and be a writer , the idea of loki carrying the hammer is just brilliant and lord knows with some of their flops in recent years they could use the help in the writing department... Plus whatever they do , if Thor dies it needs to be done in epic fashion. Maybe he is the one who kills Kang eventually but in doing so he also dies . Hemsworth carried the MCU through some pretty dull years and if he decides to call it quits he deserves an ending fitting of the god if thunder himself for the 10+ years he gave us Marvel's fans
while this is a great idea, there's one massive blaring problem. Kang lost to ant man.
They've destroyed Thor as a character beyond repair with Endgame and Thor 4. Just kill him off already. Show him mercy. No more jokes. No more reinventing. Just give him a heroic death.
Thor used to be a great character, and his death would have been felt and it would have been a sad moment and great end of a great character, UNTIL LOVE AND THUNDER CAME ALONG AND RUINED THOR BY MAKING HIM AN IDIOT WHO ALL OF A SUDDEN DOESNT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT AND MAKES CRINGEY QUIPS ALL THE TIME
This is an absolute marvelous pitch, and heartbreaking. Awesome video.
Wow the Loki-Mjolnir idea is an ending that I shockingly didn’t expect but FULLY support
It's brilliant because he'll get what he always wanted...but not in WAY he wanted it. In other words: "Not like this..."
Such a marvelous scene, well done! Thor deserves a great exit and I want the best for Loki.
"Thor must go to Valhalla" made me weirdly emotional and i am not even Scandinavian. Knowing the importance of Valhalla in Norse mythology this has to be a huge deal. If i see thor entering Valhalla and seeing all his fallen comrades and his family i would literally cry 😢
Thank you for that golden bit of Doctor Who
No problem my g
There is a female replacement of all original avengers already ...
Stop bro
@@Aidan977 I mean not to be like all "m-she-u MCU is woke now" I swear alot of the heroes have been replaced with female versions lmao which I mean nothing wrong with that if it's done correctly I guess (although I could just be mistaken )
This video made me more excited for the future of the MCU more than any of the productions by Marvel post Endgame.
I always appreciate this channel for continually referencing Doctor Who
Dude, I am 100% in for that storyline you just described! All of that stuff about Loki‘s character arc, witnessing Thor’s death, and wielding Mjionir, just great stuff. A real chefs kiss!
Completely agree with everything you’ve said here. It’s the right way to go.
This video essay is immacculate what a great idea !
I never comment on RUclips videos but I have been compelled Benoit Blanc-style to only comment on the Full Fat. I full-heartedly agree with everything! The Hemsworth deserves a proper send off like Cap and Tony. As you were talking about his ending, I instantly thought about a scene reversal where Loki watches his brother die ala Infinity War…but then Loki, thru his redemption arc with the TVA, is found worthy uses Mjolnir against Kang to sway the battle. However, the end would see Loki cathartically realize he doesn’t need Mjolnir and passes it to the legacy character to carry on Thor’s name.
Quick mid-credit stinger shows Thor reunited with Jane in Valhalla. A proper ending to Thor.
Well done!
Somebody get Marvel execs to see this!! THIS IS BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT!!!!
Thank you :)
Bro made me cry with his storyline, poor Loki but yea if he saw his brother die in front of him knowing he really died😭
Thanks for watching!
The Avengers showing up to a dead Thor and a Worthy Loki would be insane. Loki was their first villain, now he’s their key to stopping Kang.
Oh gawd, I would friggin’ love something along these lines
At the end of Secret Wars, they should have Loki kill Kang, and say something like “That was, for my BROTHER!”
to those last questions, hell yeah. awesome content man thank you
Glad you like them!
I agree Kang needs to kill Thor. Thor peaked at Infinity War and we need Infinity War Thor back that goes down swinging against Kang. Perfect way to end his journey.
I really love this. Having the idea that Loki ends Kang is fantastic! He is, as he says “Destined for greatness”. If anything, kang should “die” at the end of Kang Dynasty, and introduce Doom as a huge threat in Secret Wars, and continue to build him after that resolution. Doom is such a huge character to Marvel mythos, and introducing him as God doom is such a great way to show his potential. After SW’s resolution, the audience can still understand how dangerous he is, even though he lost.
Fuck I always love your ... Fanfic scenarios or how to called them, Loki seeing Thor died and then finally be worthy would be so fucking cool
Bro you didn't need to use that doctor who clip, got me tearing up now 😢
It had to be done ahah
Well, Thor is probably one of the only remaining original Avengers tbh other than Hawkeye and Hulk. But Thor’s sacrifice would be more impactful tho. And the reports that Hemsworth wants to spend more time with family
Hemsworth wants to move on because he had a health scare, and wants to spend more time with family; it had nothing to do with the reception of Love, and Thunder.
genuinely a fantastic pitch. I'd love to see it
This whole idea is so good, that if it's anything less impressive I'll be severely disappointed. Guardians 3 has given me hope that there's still a lingering spark of hope and care for this universe, and i just hope they don't continue throwing it all away.
Damn. I think you might've nailed it with the Thor/Loki reunion. Having Thor die and take mjolnir also plays on those audition tapes of Hiddleston trying out for Thor.
Interesting idea. Keep up the good work.
What is the music at 6:23? I have wanted to know for ages.
Your pitch was so much better than anything in the MCU lately ngl almost cried thinking about it although i gotta say i would like Thor to another movie for himself to close off his journey
Title sounds like it could be a banger song
Jeez man I’m getting chills
Beginning: Nooo!! What about Love?
2:53 plus, didn't he say he wanted to step back from performing after getting a health scare?
5:39 yes, exactly.
I think the hammer choosing is a bit much but I like it because Mjölnir and Loki teaming up to defeat their loved one's killer? Nice.
I love this video!
8:35 emotional and chills at the same time. I was thinking the same thing that Loki is Worthy.
I actually liked Love and Thunder. It was Korg telling a group of kids a story, I thought that aspect was great. Also liked Jane trying to come up with a catchphrase.
your storytelling is stellar
That is a great proposal.. and I didn’t see where your story was going. got emotional just thinking about Loki mourning his brother and picking up mjolnir. Hopefully an MCU film will draw that kind of emotion from us in the near future
I was honestly very engaged in this video👍
One final good arc for Thor in Kang ending the movie on his death will be perfect
This idea is guaranteed to have the audience in tears - ESPECIALLY if it ends with Thor in Valhalla reuniting with Jane and Heimdall (among others).
Brilliant idea, I hope they do something like this 🤞🏼
Genius video I would of never thought of this, the MCU could make a serious comeback in quality if they pull this off, maybe even have dr doom pulling some strings in the background to have him transition smoothly into the next big bad in secret wars too.
Love this ending for Thor. Especially love your Loki tie in.