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"If Joel Embiid was healthy..." is the moto we've been hearing for years now. But you're right, he'll definetely be healthy next playoffs.
I would love to live in the same wonderland as you people
Same thing with Kawhi with the clippers
@@romanrules007 Joel Embiid has had to endure the Ben Simmons fiasco and a pouty Beard era while the Clippers have simply had to endure Kawhi being unavailable when they need him the most.
Sixers should trade for ben simmons
😂😂😂😂😂
If they can just get a backcourt of Ben Simmons and James Harden they will be unstoppable…because they will stop themselves before anyone else possibly can!
and clippers should trade for Chris paul, if not, the suns could do that 😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ben simmons can be the tobias harris replacement
That paul george joke was low, but super accurate 😂
I dont get how people can watch the 76ers there star player is an always injured 7 footer that gets 15+ freethrows 😭😭😭😭 and hasn't made it out the second round his whole career. Shout out maxey thou at least they have some hope
Playoff Jimmy still exists but the wear-and-tear is taking its toll.
And Butler's absence due to injury in the playoffs could be a sign that Pat Riley has one job starting tomorrow: ASSEMBLE ANOTHER BIG 3 🔥
The big three era is dead. Just ask KD
the good thing is Maxey & Embiid's skillsets are entirely complementary. Choosing to building around one is choosing to build around the other. They have great chemistry & both would suffer if moved away from each other, IMO.
It’s his health tho if you’re always injured you’re no more valuable then a dude on the couch
As a 76ers fan, I will stop watching 76ers basketball if Embiid gets traded. It was a pain in the neck watching this team play like garbage in the 2 months Embiid was out. Without Embiid we suck. People forget that Maxey scores a lot of his points either with a pick and role with Embiid or dumping it down to Embiid in the post, wait for a double team then catch the ball for 3.
You forget one thing. IF they trade Embiid, they will get a lot of pieces back. Thats differet from not having a Max guy out there for nothing. Lets say they trade him to the Knicks (just an example) the Package will most likely be Robinson/Randle/McBride +5 1st (2 2024 1st from NY and DAL)... and your team would still have the cap space to sign some guys like Oubre/Melton back and bring in some other guys line Ty Jones/Martin/Saric/Kornet to round out the Rotation.
Ty Jones/Maxey/Oubre/Randle/Robinson
McBride/Melton/Martin/Saric/Kornet
+ 2 1st round rookies + 3 vet Min guys to round out the rotation.
Thats still a good PO team, specially in the East! And you would still have more draft capital for future moves.
I am not saying they should do it. I am just saying it wouldnt be nearly as bad as it was with him just being out.
But being perennial second round exits keeps you coming back 😂
Bro the best ability is availability and Embiid isn't always available.
@@Smido83 Knicks ain’t doing that after embid injured their players on purpose BRUNSON HATES HIM. Also No one else in the league would give that much up. The most realistic thing would be Embid and a 1st for Jarrett Allen Donavan Mitchell. Mitchell would have to agree to resign with philly
Can always get Ben Simmons back!
Sixers are on borrowed time...Embiid's durability will only get worse the older he gets. Also what on earth is Nick Nurse doing playing him 45 mins a game. Embiid is basically dead after 35 mins. No wonder he struggled in the 4th quarters vs the Knicks.
Funny how like 6 "contenders" went "all-in" with aging and wounded stars, left little in the tank for the future, and all had swift exits and whiffed these playoffs (Bucks, 76rs, Lakers, Warriors, Suns, Clippers).
Warriors didn’t really go all-in like some of these other teams, and they have some promising young players like Kuminga, TJD, Branden Podz, the Warriors will be back contending in a few years if they hit on a couple more draft picks. Sixers have cap space and picks and a good team without Embid, they will stay in the race. The other four teams are heading for perennial bottom dweller status.
@@tribalypredisposedthey have a good team? right now they have embiid and Reed under contract
Injuries and coaching lol
They all need to combine teams: Bucks/76ers, LALs/LACs and GS/Pho...
@@tribalypredisposedthe lakers will somehow be fine again in 2-3 years
Clippers are in the same boat as many teams that spent a lot right before the new rules came into place and are now locked into it for better or worse the next few years. Other teams include the Lakers, Suns, Bucks, etc. If I understand correctly if any of these teams does blow it up they can only get very little in return because of the new rules.
The Clips journey was sunk long before these new rules. Adding Harden to the mess just made it official
Didn’t this guy say he thought the Bucks was a real contender and the Knicks were not? Lol
Yeah he did, and of course his 76ers lost to the Knicks, so won’t be surprised if he tries to double down on it further to downplay the Knicks’ success
Almost like both Giannis and Lillard got injured after that video was put out 😳
@@jdand12 Giannis was already out and this is no excuse when making a video like that. You should always consider the depth of a bench. Knicks also missed a few key players.
I mean gianis didn’t play
@@stevehendrix7532 Julius Randle and Bogdanovic did not play for the Knicks. Mitchell Robinson missed a game as well. What’s your point? Bucks can only play with Giannis?
Just flat out, you're wrong about keeping Embiid. Embiid is a great regular season player. But every single post season we're making excuses because he is "injured" or "not at 100%". This is the same as Kawhi. At some point, availability and health become the most important stats. You say 'build around both of them', but why would Philly do that when Embiid is never available at 100% when it counts? That's like saying "build around the foundation" when half the foundation is falling in.
The 76ers should trade Embiid, not just to trade him but as a calculated move to acquire another Tier A (or whatever you want to call the top tier) superstar. This should be someone that has a natural fit with Maxey. The remaining cap space would be enough to sign another superstar (if you believe in the Big Three idea) or sign a bunch of high quality roleplayers (my belief). The Sixers have tried the 'build around Embiid' thing for years and it has not worked. The reason? Because we are always making excuses about how Embiid isn't healthy/100% for the playoffs. At this point the two surest things in the NBA are that Kawhi will miss at least a third of the season and Joel Embiid will be hurt/hobbled for the playoffs.
Clippers & 76ers losing early in the playoffs like always.
To some people who are saying this is an easy fix. You gotta be kidding😂. New owner, new stadium but you wanna play nobodies?😂 whos gonna watch?
Kawhi is still in contract. You got that going. PG got player option, do you trade him? He could just decline his PO if he doesnt want to get traded. By then youre fcked cause you have no choice but to sign him to his requested Max contract or let him walk -- getting back nothing.
What about Harden and Westbrook? Do you sign both? Or just one of them? Do you commit to having these 4 again, paying them loads of money, paying loads of taxes. I mean new, rich owner might not mind. But rebuild is an absolute no.
Do you do a soft rebuild and keep kawhi? Do you keep 2 and just retool. But thats kinda hard with no assets.
honestly the clippers can't win with kawhi as the best player he hasn't played a full series since 2019...harden and paul george don't have the ability to carry anymore and westbrook is a role player now so I'd say full reset and rebuild. Deny westbrook and paul george a contract and trade kawhi and harden for younger pieces or really anything to free up the cap space.
I’m not sold on Tyrese Maxey long term. I think his game is extremely athleticism-based, which makes him injury prone. And his high-energy is not sustainable. Great player in a contract year, but I think some 76ers fans are delusional making him the next big superstar.
We’ll see. He’s never really been injured and at this point, I trust him to be available more than I do Joel.
Joel Embiid has literally never once been healthy in his career, especially in the postseason. Nobody is saying to trade Embiid for a packet of peanuts but you could get a better return back who can actually stay on the floor. And who also hopefully does not have an extensive history of choking or falling woefully short in the playoffs. Embiid has literally never gotten past the second round, in the weaker conference. Has lost in series he's been favored in as well on top of all that. Embiid isn't all that young either and "the process" hasn't just been an experiment that has only been around for a few years.
U are unbelievable bro. Embiid still averaged 33 points per game in the series. Philly was also dominating New York in the Embiid minutes. They lost because they suck without Embiid. Maybe instead of trading Embiid, get him and Maxey some help.
Maybe talk about Tobias Harris’s 0 points in game 6. Stop blaming Embiid when his team can’t support him. Basketball is a team game. Embiid can’t win a championship on his own. He needs help.
Trade for who? Clint Capela, Bitadze ? Wiseman ? Check the numbers when Embiid wasn't playing
How many players in the league would be worth a Joel Embiid, cause rn I can think of like 5😂😂😂
@@AneeshtheraveDominated in Embiid minutes 😂 so what about game 4? Embiid played the entirety of the 4th quarter and they got outscored and lost. +\- is such a terrible argument because of how much context it lacks. Same thing with his 33 PPG. He shot 44% and only shot over 50% once in the series (under 41% in 4 games and shot 28% in 4th quarters). Anyone can look at a box score but it doesn’t tell the whole story.
Why we watching embiid harden pnr clips you should use more recent ones 😂
The only reason I’d consider moving on from Embiid is because he really doesn’t have a good track record of being healthy for the playoffs and you need guys who will be ready to perform come playoff time. Embiid unfortunately hasn’t been that.
If Embiid gets traded, Philly will miss the next 7 nba playoffs at least.
@@Aneeshtherave not if they get a good haul of assets to surround maxey with and sign a star with the cap space. Could set up Philly nicely
it was over the moment the clips signed Kawhi and PG13 long term what do you expect injury prone superstars how can you benefit off of that you can't
Yo, what dummy leaves the team they won a championship with and decides to go to the most cursed team in basketball?
Smh fun guy
If he stayed, Toronto would've gone deep in the 2020 playoffs. They went 7 games against Boston in the 2nd round with no Kawhi so imagine if was still there.
@@mattypaul87They honestly could've won the 2020 NBA championship if he stayed in Toronto tbh.
Yeah, I was super surprised and puzzled why he left Toronto, it is not like you can achieve more somewhere when you just got a ring…
I mean, it was about going home. You can argue if he should’ve went to the Lakers over the clips. But it was always KNOWN he wanted to go back to the LA area. Plus, you know, some folks are content. Kwahi has 2 rings and 2 FMVPs in 3 appearances….does he strike you like a guy that really cares about chasing titles?
@@avantesmith6442 Going home? Is this a child we are talking about? No it is a grown up and a professional athlete! And if he is not interested in chasing titles, that is not fair to the LA fanbase! His year in Toronto was magical for him and the chemistry was there immediately. Oh well, he is home now. enjoy!🤡
Are there 2 teams more depressing than the clips and suns?
No 😂
Pistons
The Maxey & Embiid situation is extremely tricky. Whatever they decide to do I have a feeling there will be a lot of "what if..." in their future. Finding an MVP level big man is very rare these days and they really should try again with all the Harden dust now being shaken off. But if Embiid is constantly hurt there will be some "told you so" coming their way. They're doomed if they do and doomed if they don't if it doesn't work out. They now have their two stars which is perfect for today's team building. Now they need to get a deep roster around them two. We will see how they succeed in this.
I’m not an Embid hater, but I do think it’s valid to consider that he may be too injury prone at his age to count on him to be a franchise anchor. I wouldn’t be trading him away just to move on, but I think if you can find a deal to get another star and maybe some picks then it might not be the worst idea.
3:00 Nonsensical point. Sixers being bad while Embiid is injured is an argument against having him on the team. If they traded him, those games would have been more successful because they wouldn't have had a hole on their roster.
Also, Embiid is a villain because he cheap shots other players despite being injury prone himself, sells fouls/cries despite calling others soft. He's annoying as hell
trying to buy a ring w talent stacking is sure to backfire
Years of disapointment for the LA Clippers continues, since Kawhi moved to LA, he and PG were never healthy, it was always an injured riddled year after year after year, at some point Steve Balmer had to pull the plug and let go of them both. They no where close to winning or at least getting to WCF😞 Luka and the Mavs finally beat the Clippers in a Playoff series. 😮💨
Westbrook in this series
GM1: 13 PTS (5/8 FG), 4 AST
GM2: 7 PTS (2/9 FG), 3 AST
GM3: 1 PT (0/7 FG), 1 AST
GM4: 5 PTS (2/8 FG), 1 AST
GM5: 6 PTS (2/11 FG), 0 AST
There is no way the clippers should offer harden a max contract or any contract. He can’t be trusted in big games. It’s the final leg of his career and we’ve watched the same story with him every single year it seems like.
I wish they never traded for Harden. Russ starting was great for him and the team. If they woulda made a simple trade for Tyus Jones and Gafford woulda been better. U would have a solid back up pg who u could close games if Russ is doing too much.
Like i said when they traded for Harden, I guess they wanted to make sure winning a title was not one of the possible results of the season…
Tatum is sooo overrated and it’s showing in the playoffs
Why ppl don’t like Donavan Mitchell in Cleveland?
Everybody wants him in worse situations
I think Cleveland is a good team & match for D Mitch
They aren't contending for anything. Garland and emo are still young, plus the small backcourt with garland and mitchell, and no floor spacing in the frontcourt with Allen and emo. To put it simply, the roster construction isn't that well done compared to every real contender out there. And that is just the more obvious issue with them, we could also talk about the coach or the lack of a consistent starting small forward, for example
Cleveland loves him. He’s already the 3rd best Cavalier all-time (behind Bron and Kyrie). He doesn’t fit with DG. One of them need traded
@@AlexKr. garland and Mobley suck. If you ever try to build a team around them they’ll be shit.
@PokeWorldHD1 i wouldn't go that far, but Garland's ceiling might be like a Jamal Murray so no way you would build around that
You can trade Butler but not to the Cavs. You got a sucker in Detroit with a LT coach who wants vets on the squad. Some mix of Ivey, Stewart, maybe a 1st and a 2nd and some filler for Butler and Herro.
I feel like the heat should get rid of Tyler hero and stop grabbing aging role players
If Kawhi Leonard was coaching Minnesota, do you think he would miss the entire playoffs with a ruptured patella?
There are real clipper fans? Man I'm sorry for that 40 years of nothing but a racist owner and being LAs "other team"
Sixers need to be the first team that runs two centers that can relive eachother
the timberwolves run two centers?
An Unfixable Mess: The Kawhi Leonard Saga
Clippers are modern day 2013-2015 Brooklyn Nets
I like how the clippers arguably have a better team than the 2019 Raptors. Still they are not even close to the Finals
wasnt that east weaker than the west rn plus kawhi actually played the 2019 playoffs.
@@noahmidkiff3605 not that year, bucks and sixers were definitely at the top of the NBA.
Better on paper but not better in practice, raptors had great role players
I doubt they'll ever get over the hump. It sucks, but it's the sad truth.
Why trade Embiid when you found your second star in Maxey? Time to build around them both
Give Daniel Theis a contract 🎉
Please do 5 takes I love these vids they’re too short
As a Clippers fan I don’t want PG 13 anymore. He chokes!
Embiid wrote a letter to the French President saying what an honor it would be to represent France in the Olympics. France granted Embiid citizenship expecting him to play for France but now he's playing for US after getting the US Citizen LMAO!
US wins again, too bad French people, gotta go with the winner.
That first take is so wrong because they proved this year that they need Embiid, and trading him away will make them worse. If the 76ers were good or even decent without Embiid, then I would agree, but they couldn't do it, and switching him out for a lesser player won't fix it. Again we all saw how the 76ers were without Embiid and someone believes that good enough to win it all?
PG will go bye bye...Harden will chase a ring elsewhere and still get somewhat paid...
Kawhi's knees will retire for good in 2025...dude can't play more than 2 competitive games in a row - WORST CONTRACT the next 3 YEARS!
Um, that's because without Joel Embiid, they didn't have a good center.
If Embiid is traded, I'm assuming the 76ers would get a good center.
I´d trade Embiid asap. He spent too much time with Harden it seems. He´s constantly injured and doesn´t perform enough in the playoffs. On top of that he´s the first one to blame others (Knicks fans should not have made it to the arena) when sh*t goes wrong. He might never win a chip because of that attitute
That sounds so stupid ! Who ever thinks that ! ...you get rid of a dominant center ...then u will need a center that most teams don't have ! .....makes know sense . ...I wish the Clippers had the 76ers center ! And they would be a fool ! To give slow ass James Harden a max deal ....let Paul George go ! And he should want to go ..to 76ers or Indiana ! ..both teams r better than a unhealthy Clippers team ...Clippers need to take there losses and try to find some young talent ..G league ..over seas look how ..SGA turned out ! .
They need to rebuild they are in purgatory no doubt!!
For 8 straight seasons, people keep falling for James Harden.
Dude is a diva and a perennial playoff choker. Every fking crucial game this guy chokes. Idk why teams ever wanna deal with his immaturity and diva personality just to get to the playoffs and watch him choke away games.
Foul merchant, bad teammate, terrible display of professionalism.
This guy literally represents everything wrong with today’s generation of players.
Sounds like it depends on if james har en will be realistic or not.. the world knows he isnt worth a max contract
What?! Harden only had one of his classic vanishing act games, going 2-12 for seven points with four turnovers, in the series. That is better than his usual two such games. And his beard still looks magnificent. Gotta pay the man!
Embiid continually playing bad in the playoffs needs to be talked about more tbh. We make fun of harden and PG for their playoff failures but Embiid is just as bad
The video actually starts at 1:51
Oh lord… the sixers fan victim complex is STRONG in this one. People criticize Joel for valid reasons, especially when his MAIN issue (injury) is largely his fault from a career of throwing himself on the ground 15 times a game. It’s not us “looking for any reason to slander him” yall sixers fans gotta get over yourselves
76ers finally getting off Harris and got mad cap space with now 2 legit stars (Max/Embid) ... you put a legit 3rd scorer/playmaker on that team they gonna be TOUGH.
Pry Bridges from the Nets is my angle, fukk paying a declining Paul George all that money, would cripple the franchise ceiling just like Harris's overpay.
Dont think you actually watched the video if you think anything you just said was disagreed with in it
Magic in 7
If you guys shoot 24 free throws to Cleveland’s 10, then yes.
@@JJGray21 not even a Magic fan
@@jayherbogaming Magic in what?! Oh wait, never mind, your boys lost 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
I hate the clippers, but i DO NOT want to see them give james harden's washed ass a max contract. Giving a 34 year old known playoff choker a max is stupid
The CAVS look straight up bad in these playoffs...credit to Orlando's heart an energy, but talentwise the Cavs should've wrapped this one up in 5, especially with them basically picking the Magic as their 1st round opponent.
CAVS are a confused team with an overreliance on Mitchell, who hinders the development of Garland. Also trade Allen or Mobley...get a big that can actually shoot!
Trade Mitchell or DG, Mobley is only 22 and already developing a 3 ball. Leave those two be down low.
@@JJGray21 Mobley has potentially, undoubtedly. But he didn't really improve that much in 3 years...agreed some of it has to do with not being healthy in S2 but he rarely get's the chance to work on his offense in games!
I'm not suggesting of either Allen or Mobley because they're bad...far from it! I think both guys have all-star level talent. But neither of em is able to grow into anything bigger than they are.
@@Rayven2711 Mobley and DG’s lack of improvement has to do with coaching. DG is 24 and Mobley is only 22. Give them time to develop. Hindsight is 20/20 but Cleverly we should have never traded for Mitchell. He doesn’t fit our timeline
@@JJGray21 Agreed on the Mitchell trade, that ultimately put a cap on the development of young players, especially taking the ball out of their hands late in games.
Luckily the cavy still have the option to move him in the offseason and get decent value back for him.
I agree that the cavs young guns need more time to polish their games but I'm still not sold on Allan and Mobley playing big minutes together. I believe that Mobley is better suited to play the 5 long term, being switchable on D and having a floor spacing 4 accomplementing him. I'd also like Mobley getting more touches in the paint. Allan is a great energy big with good rim protection, but he will never be more than he curretly is. Mobley potentially could develop his offense, both low post- and outside to be the guy at center...maybe I'm wrong but Mobley and Allan have overlapping qualities that ultimately don't benefit the cavs as much as they could.
@@JJGray21idk about that lmao. Don has made the Cavs a solid playoff team since he’s been there. Where as before he got there, they were a play in team. I get wanting to see the younger guys have more room to develop….but did you watch game 6? Don scores 50 and those young stars you want to see so bad, disappeared…AGAIN. Don’t know if you can blame that on Mitchell.
OKC, IND & MINN are modern model teams the rest of the league should mirror imho. No real superstars, just real players who bring grit & grind into every game!
The Suns and Clippers are perfect examples of how NOT to build a team lol.
Uhm, except Anthony Edwards and SGA and maybe Chet or some other OKC guys are going to be HOFers when all is said and done, they are real superstars.
I mean they’re really well put together….but idk how you think *checks those rosters* Ant, SGA (and depending on how you feel about them) Halliburton, Chet aren’t “real” superstars.
OKC traded for SGA, IND traded for Haliburton, MIN traded for Gobert ... lot of teams have tried it that way, just hasn't worked for most of them and honestly those 3 teams you named still haven't made it deep into the playoffs yet
Ant Edwards and Shai are superstars though... and Haliburton is on the verge of becoming a superstar as well.
Take your particpation trophy, and get out of the real champions of la's palace!
The clippers can literally trade kawhi and PG how are they screwed
mfs just be yapping, clippers the only team who get clowned for trying to compete. it’s literally just bad luck and mfs swear like they trash or sumn. NBA media so weird
Clippers better position then suns and new jersey and Philly
Actually not true lol
Embiid is the worst MVP ever. Even Bill Walton did more. They should trade him while he has any value, in a few years he is done.
Don’t worry sixers fans next year Embiid will be healthy, lol the eastern conference clippers with a next year kawhi will be healthy
Thats what they said last year... and the year before that...
Clippers are terrible, Kawhi will obviously never be healthy, they have no picks sadly they need to see who they can get but they are in a terrible situation
maxey is overrated cause he is signed to klutch
These vids are getting longer and longer to get to the Actual video.
Yeah bro just be waffling
It is very literally the same intro every single time
@@HoopsReference I love your vids, watch them often. Just saying I always noticed your vids take a while to start, but today I actually noticed it was almost at 2 min and was surprised.
Good video. I noticed you came a little more hardcore this one 😅
As soon as i seen trade embiid i clicked off the video
try listening to the video and hear him strongly disagree with that persons take 👍🏼
@@jdand12 some take’s don’t even deserve to make the video simple
That first take is one of the most perplexingly stupid things I've ever heard.