The Hudson Valley Squares: Bad Band Decisions in Rock History
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Join the Hudson Valley Squares and special guest Rich Catino as they discuss some really bad decisions bands have made over the years.
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The Stones hiring the Hell`s Angels for security at Altamont.
That was horrible
Righteous pick.
What could go wrong?
One of the worst decisions,,,, EVER!!!
Just off the top of my head, in no particular order, before I watch the video:
1. Nazareth not jumping on the NWoBHM bandwagon
2. David Coverdale firing John Sykes from Whitesnake
3. Whatever Def Leppard has been doing for the past 20 years
4. Any band who needed Roy Thomas Baker for more than just the guy to press "record"
5. Diamond Head's career decisions
6. Any self-covers album
7. The Kinks emphasizing show tunes over power pop
8. Accept (let's be honest: Wolf Hoffmann) firing most of the band over the last 4 years
9. The programmed drums on Ram It Down
10. Queensryche. Need I elaborate?
11. The re-recorded bass and drums on Ozzy's first two albums, the general hatchet job of the remasters from 2002
12. Yngwie putting his pride over making good albums with great band members. And singing.
13. Vinnie Vincent. Just, everything.
14. Black Sabbath's Forbidden
15. Disco Kiss. Kissco.
16. Power Pop Kiss.
17. Medieval Prog Kiss.
18. Grunge Kiss.
19. Tommy and Eric in Ace's and Peter's makeup
20. Kiss's Phantom of the Park or whatever movie
21. Iron Maiden choosing Blaze Bayley over literally anyone else
22. Dio firing Viv Campbell
23. Stone Roses taking five years to deliver an underwhelming second album, just to then break up
24. No guitar solos on St. Anger. And the snare.
25. No Jason on AJFA, and not remixing the bass during the remaster
26. Mustaine forming his own band to be louder, heavier, and faster than Metallica... only to go alternative and pop a decade later
27. Anytime religion or romantic relationships get in the way of wildly successful band chemistry ("since I found Jeebus, I can no longer reconcile making this kind of music")
28. No one in Ratt can get along long enough to make an album with the members we want (mostly deMartini). Now no one cares.
29. Black Sabbath not coming to amicable terms with Bill Ward for their final tour.
30. TNT being a ripping metal band that apparently hates being a metal band
31. Rod Evans touring as "Deep Purple" in 1980
32. Every major band or record label decision Tygers of Pan Tang had after Spellbound
33. Riot's record contracts and wildly unstable lineups that stopped them from blowing up
34. Led Zeppelin reuniting for Live Aid
35. Yes's Heaven and Earth being the shitty bookend to Chris Squire's fantastic body of work
36. Gregg Rolie leaving a critically and commercially successful band... twice
37. Quiet Riot continuing on no matter who's in the band
38. L.A. Guns not knowing how many active lineups there should be per band. It's one.
39. Great White... you know what, never mind
40. George Lynch trying to sabotage Dokken. Dude, just leave the band
41. Uriah Heep and Jon Sloman
42. Any time a rock or metal band from before decided to go techno or numetal or industrial in the mid-late '90s
43. Van Halen not being more prolific in the later part of their career. And Gary Cherone
44. Saxon trying to be Def Leppard in the mid-'80s
45. Loudness hiring an American to sing. Much as I love Mike Vescera
46. "Going grunge"
47. Robert Fripp waiting until King Crimson had a stable lineup for once and had three successful albums in the '80s to break up the band
48. Chinese Democracy. The time to complete, the cost, and the result.
49. Deep Purple forcing Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore to be in the same band together as long as they were
50. Blackmore reforming Rainbow with no previous members. Twice.
51. Eddie Clarke producing Iron Fist, and Motörhead doing Stand By Your Man with Wendy O Williams
...wow, I came up with more than I thought I would.
I agree w/Led Zeppelin and Live Aid. Jimmy Page is still trying to explain it. Van Halen firing Sammy Hagar, stupid! Chinese Democracy, yeah, say no more! And Def Leppard after Hysteria. I bought Adrenalize and said, I'm done! Can't tell you about anything they've done since!
EPIC
Blaze Bayley is the best singer Iron Maiden ever had. He´s the only one of them to sing in tune.
I lol’d at the Vinnie Vincent comment. So true. You always hear how difficult he is.
@@kimberlywalker3970 nothing wrong with the Live Aid thing. It was for charity and a fun thing to have.
I love this show. I'm a hard rock nut and can talk about it till the cows come home but almost nobody in my immediate circle shares my interest, so this is a great substitute. Crack open a beer and its like you're in the garage with something heavy on arguing with your friends about who the best and worst bands are.
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You just summed up how I feel. I have one buddy who will go to a hard rock/ metal show. ( He will go anywhere for a night out) 😄No one to share this obsession with right now.
@@peterock4210 I feel ya'... my poor wife gets a gold star for trying, but I think Slayer and Obituary get on her nerves.
@@stevegower1470 Slayer with your wife in the room? !!! HA ! I ‘m lucky if I get away with Sabbath.
I’m in the same boat. I find myself speaking to the group even though no one can hear me!
This is the only thing I look forward to watching each and every week
Spinal Tap - We Are The Flower Children
this is just an awful album that was just capitalizing off the whole hippy movement of the late 60’s, and an absolute rip off of ‘Their Satanic Majesties Request’.
I see what you did there lol
RIP whatever drummer they had at the time.
Listen, to what the flower people say!
Even worse is when they went to free form jazz.
@@pauldaniels2019 "We're not doing Jazz Odyssey!..." - immediate cut to the band performing Jazz Odyssey on stage :)
Lynyrd Skynyrds Decision to get on that plane!!
and Stevie Ray Vaughan getting in the helicopter August 27, 1990
Also Randy getting in that plane.
- Sacking of Vivian Campbell from Dio... Dio (The Band) was never the same after Vivian was fired. He contributed greatly to the songwriting process & his firing caused turmoil within the Dio band and soon Vinny and Jimmy were also out of the band. One can only imagine if that line-up sticked together...
I hear you. Their first three albums were absolutely amazing, including the underrated Sacred Heart. But I think they still had great moments after that. I'm torn because I wouldn't take back 'Push' and some other later songs for anything, but there was obviously something undeniably special about their original lineup.
@@kforcer I completely agree that they still had great moments after that 👍 However that special energy of the original band was gone, it was Dio + Vinny and a revolving door of musicians after '93.
@@LuchaLibertaria Yeah, I can't argue with that.
gr8 choice - never the same after he was fired - for him either he ended up in def lep lol
I wouldn’t want to miss out on Dream Evil, but things got pretty poor after that until Killing the Dragon (which was 1/2 great and 1/2 OK).
Worst band decision : Brian May and Roger Taylor carrying Queen on after Freddie died. Best decision was by John Deacon who decided to call it a day.
They're a Queen tribute band w/ Adam Lambchop.
Brian should have just sang the songs. Hes a good singer
I think that genesis decision not to replace steve hackett was a pretty bad idea. Rutherford was pretty unspectacular lead guitarist and their music degradated with time. Yeah sure there was Daryl stuermer on stage but he wasn't official member with his own ideas. I think Tony Banks ego ruined genesis. Hackett even now produces new music but genesis were long gone.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю BANKS/RUTHERFORD are the SOUL of Genesis. They ARE Genesis. Especially Banks. As great as Hackett is, he CHOSE to leave. He was not fired. And you couldn't be more wrong about Mike Rutherford. He is a absolute BADASS of a musician. Especially on bass. And on guitar ok he's not a shredder but he can definitely write great songs and play his ass off like on Abacab. The TONE on that guitar solo is PERFECT. He's one of the most talented musicians in the history of ROCK. Can Hackett switch back and forth from bass and guitar, sometimes playing both on double neck AND Moog pedals??? NO. Mikey the badass CAN. FACT: Genesis sold MORE records and played to BIGGER audiences like Wembley Stadium when they were 3. So to say the music degradated??? Ummmm NNNNO. They'res a substantial amount of fans who bought those album's and tours who would beg to differ.
@@vinnykster where i told that Rutherford is a bad musician? Sure he is great on bass and crafty on 12-string guitar. But as a lead guitarist yes he never produced such memorable solos as on firth of fifth and lamia. And I never cared for great commercial success and playing stadiums. For me albums like abacab and invisible touch are just garbage in comparison to such classics as foxtrot and a trick of the tail. You have different opinion? That's your right.
Billy Squier’s rock me tonite music video and Gary Cherone in Van Halen. And speaking of Van Halen, on a moral level the decisions the VH brothers made in regards to Michael Anthony were just awful
From what I've read, Mike wasn't really into VH after Sammy was fired in '96. So, he eventually left to play with Sammy.
@@jordanfarquharson5345 yeah apparently on VH3 Eddie played all the bass parts except for 3 songs despite Anthony still being in the band AND touring. And don’t even get me started on how apparently they basically made him sign his royalties away.....
@@alexandergilles8583 Fuck that, mediocre millionaire bass player. Poor Mikey.
What they should have done is fired Michael Anthony's ass and hired a top notch bass player after VH 1. But EVH did not want competition. Fire his ass to bring in Wolf. 100 per cent fine with that.
Billy Squier was my first thought when I read the description. lol Poor dude was on top until management conned him into doing that ridiculous dance.
Yes, nobody needs a Motley Crue reunion. Good point, Sydney!
This statement can go back to 1997
I often think that COVID was God's way of stopping the Motley Crüe reunion.
@@andypostema4269 absolutely
@@andypostema4269 Greatest comment ever!!!!😂🕪🎼
@@andypostema4269 hahahaha
"That's why this is great, people can comment and call me an asshole" may be one of the greatest statements on/about RUclips ever.
The "I'm sure his grandma makes a good gravy " , and picturing Lynn with a strap on, really made this a great show!
Sharon firing Lee Kerslake & Bob Daisley.
Diary Of A Madman was Ozzy's best album.
And not hiring Buckethead and Jason newstead
Firing Jake E. Lee was a HUGE mistake. Yeah, Ozzy's career went on after that with Zakk, but if he did one more album with Jake, who was an excellent songwriter as well as a shredder, it would have been a lot better than No Rest For The Wicked and probably would have sold better too.
Bingo. Def a top 10 mistake in rock history. Ozzy never approached that level again.
Randy died so they were never going to come close to what he did before. Without Rhoads it really isn't going to matter if Daisley and Kerslake remained imo. Bob was still around in the writing process after Randy died and worked with Jake.
- The music video for ‘Separate Ways’ by Journey.
- I wish Bill Ward appeared on the ‘13’ album and the Farewell tour. I know there was a whole dispute between him and the band.
- The whole ongoing disputes in Journey that happened around 2019.
- Dio leaving Dehumanizer tour was wrong. But, ‘Strange Highways’ felt like ‘Dehumanizer 2.0’.
To this day I refuse to listen to 13...
I think they refused to pay Bill Ward an equal share which is BS.
Biggest mistake in music for me was when Queen dropped their "No synths" stance. After those first seven albums they embraced the 80s and just didn't Rock as hard. Of course there were certain tracks that rocked (Hammer to fall) but not the albums. I still love everything they've done but not like those first albums.
In full agreement with all of this
Hey Queen - Brian effn' May is in YOUR band, let him rip! Huge disappointment, what were they thinking? A lot of complete drivel on those later day albums!
When Rush stopped using Terry Brown as producer. I could probably weather the post-Signals albums better if Broon was at the helm. For example, Alex said in an interview that they had intended "Show Don't Tell" to be a lot heavier than how it eventually ended up sounding on the record. Broon has produced some of my favorite modern prog albums from bands such as Under the Sun and Puppet Show.
Yngwie singing
God is God, woahahahaha
Lol, TRUE! Ditto for Dave Mustaine too
When Yngwie has his keyboard player sing it's even worse
My list:
- Queensryche going grunge on 1997's "Hear In the Now Frontier" and continuing on after DeGarmo's departure, leading to the dark era 1998-2012 of Geoff Tate's ego running wild
- KISS continuing after the 2000 "Farewell" tour
- Van Halen and David Lee Roth with the false start 1996 reunion, and the whole Gary Cherone fiasco with 1998's "Van Halen III"
- Iron Maiden hiring Blaze Bayley (not a bad singer inherently, but a really bad fit for the band)
- Don Dokken allowing George Lynch and the rest of the band to write the material for their 1997 album "Shadowlife", an awful attempt of going grunge. And the production represents everything wrong with late 90s/early 2000s radio rock; the St. Anger trash can snares; the muddy hyper-percussive Korn-styled bass; the downtuned guitars; and Don Dokken employing the CB-radio "I can't believe it's not 90s Tool" vocal effects.
Metallica straight up fucking over Jason Newsted is definitely on my list
The didn't fuck him over, they made him a millionaire and recognized the world over. Something he never would have been if he stayed in Flotsam and Jetsam.
@@Gregbaltzer Well said. Jason isn't actually playing Metal anymore because he hurt his shoulder. So, he would have left anyway. They got Rob now, and Jason has performed with them. So, he's obviously not mad.
II will say that dropping the bass on "And Justice For All" was a bad call. I have heard "Justice" with bass and it's much better.
While I agree that how they ended it with Jason was bad, but Rob is a much better sound and fit for them.
How? He left them.
Entertaining show, all, thanks. Ozzy (or, more likely, Sharon) dumping Kerslake and Daisley to begin the "musicians for rent" phase of Ozzy's career. He was never the same.
A very important one, that you missed was Danzing five black acid devil. That album was a complete departure from his sound. He went in a mid-90s industrial direction on that one. I would argue that his career never recovered after that album.
That’s the only album I’ve ever taken back to the store and demanded a refund. I was one of the store’s best customers and I argued they should have warned me it was shit. I got my refund.😊
The issue with VH III wasn't Gary, he was actually solid live. It was the fact that EVH decided to basically produce the thing himself and screwed Michael Anthony.
100%
It’s the same with the Ripper years in Priest and the Blaze years in Maiden. These guys were at the creative direction of the band leaders. Now I think the Ripper was a much better choice than Blaze. Priest at least hired a singer that fit the band. No hate on Blaze but he didn’t seem to fit the band
@@sydneyhalliwell2513Blazes band tune down a full step from E to D I think which is far more natural to his voice .
As you say he was at the mercy of Steve traditionally always using the higher tuning which doesn’t suit his voice .
Rich, I’m 100% with you on Lynch. His tone and playing on Dokken’s Back for the Attack was his peak. The first two Lynch Mobs were very good, but since then he’s merely good. I agree that he’s turned his back on the style that made him a guitar hero.
Lynch is an American star. I don’t think he has a worldwide appeal. Dokken certainly didn’t.
Well, I can’t speak for the whole world, but he (and Dokken generally) were/are huge in Japan and I’m Australian and he/they were certainly popular among the metal and hard rock community here, so he definitely isn’t simply an American star.
@@cameronsmith8328 Interesting. The standard response to ‘Big in Japan’ is ‘who isn’t?’ They were known in the UK but I wouldn’t say particularly popular.
Mtv killing Music Videos and taking headbangers ball away from us.It killed the album buisness.Nothing ever was the same again
Agreed. 120mins. From 88-92 was cool tho.
120 minutes was great to see alternative videos Mtv was important to me and i must of missed less than 10 episodes in all those years.Even remember when Adam Curry was the host.
My choice would be Peter Frampton, at his peak fame wise in the 70s, did a movie Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band. His career was never the same after that. Bee Gees, Aerosmith and Alice Cooper somehow survived though.
Great call, though I would disagree that Aerosmith survived. They sold tons of albums but TRUE Aerosmith died.
@@jimg6570 agree to disagree on that front.
These videos are such a joy. Lost my best friend in life and Metal a few years back and this is the stuff we talked about and we lived for! Awesome show to all of you guys!
Ryan’s Tony Iommi shirt is killer! As much as I like most of the album, KISS releasing The Elder just totally killed any kind of interest in their next awesome album Creatures of the Night. Gene and Paul stated that the next album after Unmasked was going to be a heavy album and fans were waiting for it, but we all know what was released after that. Ooooff.
The Elder is one of the worst albums I've heard. Truly terrible. Not one song I liked on it. And I tried too.
@@dereks7745 the song "I" is one song that I think is decent. Otherwise the album is total trash.
I'm actually surprised nobody said Danzig after Eerie, John & Chuck left the band. Those first 3 albums from Danzig were really good. Then after that I felt the albums lost their bite.
Huge Danzig fan, that was next on my list actually.
Yep, exactly...then Danzig went full Industrial on 5...everyone knows never go full Industrial.
Danzig 4 was pretty good.
kind of the point of anything Glenn Danzig does is that amazing voice, and yeah after those albums he started doing tracks with weird vice effects and stuff and im like why the hell do i want to listen to Danzig here i cant actually hear Danzig.
BUTCH! Big thank you for pushing Def Leppard's - High 'n' Dry. Never bothered with it before. Now on the 3rd playthrough of the day. Especially loving the tracks 'High n Dry' and ' Bringing on the Heartbreak'.
Glad to be of service!! Lol. It's an All-Time goodie!!!
High n dry was the peak album by def leppard a Excellent album no question, the next was a step down, then hysteria is bloody awful, sold out.
Let It Go and Lady Strange have two of the best guitar riffs in hard rock history. The whole album is great. Glad you discovered it!
David, true but in case you haven't already done it, go all the way back to DL's first album, On Through the Night. Best thing they ever did.
@@jimg6570 -- I'll second that. On Through The Night has the better songs. Joe's vocal style changed, perhaps for the better. The guitars sound weaker on High N Dry; Mutt Lange made them sound more like AC/DC. That is until Mutt Lange (and Phil Collen) made them sound more like Duran Duran than a hard rock band.
I am writing a song called "Strap-on Lynn vs the mansplainers". That was truly hilarious. Cheers!
Whoever decided Iron maiden's "dance of death" cover artwork was the perfect choice
It was Steve Harris!!!! Not sure after how many beers...
@@andywitch666 lots of them for sure 😂
Love Janick Gers! he certainly does not need to go. Wrote some of the best stuff on the newer albums (book of souls, the talisman, the legacy, etc.).
Ghost Of The Navigator too, he's a great songwriter, but he should leave the solos to Murray and Smith.
He was chosen by both Ian Gillan and Bruce Dickinson. I'll take the opinion of the two greatest singers in rock over anyone's "perception". Iron Maiden's sales and tours prove that having Janick hasn't hurt.
I have warmed to him in the last 10 years or so. At first he was a clown on the stage and he annoyed me with his ridiculous antics. Not really a fan of his long songs but Blood Brothers solo is awesome - especially Rock in Rio version. Put it this way - it wouldn't bother me if he retired early - equally happy to have him in the Mighty Maiden
@@independenceltd. I love Janick, too. I love his playing on the 'Tattooed Millionaire' album. Great solo on 'Gypsy Road'.
Love the element of danger and improvisation he brings to the live shows and his stage moves. Check out White Spirit too, his guitar work is amazing!
When Mick Taylor left and The Stones brought in Ronnie Wood. The Stones were never the same after Mick Taylor left.
Trouble is Mick Taylor would probably be six feet under had he stayed in the Stones. He had to quit for his own sanity and health.
Black And Blue, Some Girls, Tattoo You and Steel Wheels are still all pretty great Albums, in my opinion. Just different. But yeah, would have loved to get a couple more with Taylor.
Agreed. Great guitarist. I loved his brief reunion with the Stones at Glastonbury. He was with the band during their greatest era. Most of the older fans love him.
I think Ronnie Wood is a good fit with the Stones. They shoulda got Jack Bruce on bass in '91.
Totally disagree. The band as a whole sounds at least as good with Woody. Understand Mick T's virtuoso contributions but Woody supplied better essence imo.
Me it would be the Eagles firing Don Felder all because they didn't want to share the earnings that Don Felder was 1/3 owner of.
@Doobie1975 they also pushed for Governor Jerry Brown (playing a gig for his re-election) and Felder wasn’t having it, which pissed of Glen Frey to no end.
@@twowheeledchaos4902 Don't you mean Alan Cranston? I thought the Eagles became more of a corporate band after Randy Meisner left TBH
That was an interesting choice from Pete. Because of its reputation I steered away from the Gregg Allman album with Cher for years; but it's actually a really decent album. I think it was the cover that sunk it. It just wasn't cool in 1975. Maybe they were trying to emulate Kristofferson and Coolidge. Cher has always been a great singer and at the time she was hanging out on the Southern Rock scene. That's how she hooked up with Gregg. Most people who rubbish the album have never heard it and it's one of those rock myths. Check out some of Cher's early '70s stuff - it's really good.
Loving the love for Strange Highways!! I always thought it sounded like Dehumanizer part 2
Who from this panel had a cover band called "Strap on young Lass"
This was a great show. Butch peering down at everyone and every word, Chris swearing is always hysterical for some reason, everyone else chipping in, this was a great one !!
Ah, Skid Row, everything after Slave to The Grind. The followup album was weird, and then they fired Sebastian Bach, who was the voice that identified the band. Even if it was his fault or the band's fault, they never could reconcile, and no one cared about them ever since.
I'm very torn on Subhuman Race. I hated it for the longest time and generally have no desire to hear it but every once in a great while, it's my favorite album by them. I'll listen to it the next day though and go back to hating it. For what it's worth it'll always be better than the Solinger era.
Is 70s skid row the same band as 80s skid row
@@coreycrossman3447 no 70s skid Row was Irish and had Gary moore in. 8o's were hard rock/hair metal
I'll be shocked if Billy squier isn't here somewhere. If Kenny Ortega wants to produce your video tell him no!!!
I just found the video , holy shit balls , makes Wham look like Chuck Norris with Sam Elliots mustache.
1. Iron Maiden's manager choosing not to invest the money to record shows from the Somewhere in Time tour
2. Mark Reale of Riot signing the band to that first bad contract that they could never truly recover from
I 100% agree with your #1. Such a shame
Will you guys ever do a live broadcast of this show with a chat that people can ask questions?
Coming soon!
@@seaoftranquilityprog I sure hope so ! Wish you would go live more often Pete !
@@seaoftranquilityprog Excellent. Except it may be a 10 hour show to get everyone's opinion in ;)
@@seaoftranquilityprog good, also manowar ranking the albums?
Count me in
Stephe Keller: "You loved 'em until your friends found out you did."
That's been an ongoing joke between Steve and myself for a loooong time. I think he might secretly be on the band's payroll as a local PR guy for how much I can wind him up by slagging ol' Ghost. 🤣
I'm amazed nobody brought up Hot Space from Queen. Queen are my favorite band ever, but I still can't listen to that entire album. But a more specific "bad decision" would be Queen abandoning their no synthesizers rule from their early career. Even after Hot Space the albums suffered from too much keyboard and synthesizer stuff.
Geoff Tate being fired from Queensryche was one of the BEST decisions in rock history in my opinion
Firing Tate revitalized Queensryhe, the band finally started to write the songs they wanted to write.
Tate is the only problem I have with OMC.
Ted Nugent not understanding or acknowledging how valuable Derek St. Holmes was for his band was dumb and ultimately Ted firing Derek was a very bad decision. Had Derek stayed with Ted Nugent, they would've sold millions more albums and had much better albums than what Ted Nugent ended up putting out.
Derek quit
Charlie Huhn was a great performer.
@@dvg4104 No doubt about it, but the songs Derek wrote with Ted and that voice, just can't be matched.
t forced to leave b/c Ted didn't want to give him the recognition and financial and artist credit he deserved.
AC/DC drafting in Axl Rose
Zak Wilde and Sharon Osbourne ‘egging’ Iron Maiden at Ozzfest
Dokken allowing George Lynch write and control Shadowlife
Dio taking on Tracey G and going in an industrial direction.
Saxon playing Barnsley City Football Club on match day
Rainbow going ‘poppy’ after Dio left.
Yes firing Jon Anderson after he nearly died instead of waiting for him to get better.
Black Sabbath having a rapper on their forbidden album.
Genesis turning into a cheesy pop band after the departure of Hackett and Gabriel
Deep Purple recording with Ian Gillan and Roger Glover behind the backs of Rod Evans and Nick Simper without being honest and open with them.....that sucked!
Lynch Mob going Nu-Metal.
This list is not exhaustive.
Most of this I totally agree with
@Terrence Reardon and Friends Podcast Podcast I’ve never been that much of a pink Floyd fan, so it wouldn’t have made my list, but I can certainly see why Roger going would upset die hard Floyd fans. Personally, I can tolerate most line up changes as long as it is done honourably and doesn’t alter the sound or substance of the band too much, or if it does, the resulting change is a positive one. Ala Ozzy/Dio.
Love Maiden Bruce 2.0 albums! Would love to see Nick and Pete do the top 10 songs from Maiden post-Blaze era.
Is there a worse song than Pour Some Sugar on Me? Yes, it's called Rocket. That song suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Then again, I've never like Def Leppard. Never got it, never understood it. It's slightly more rockin Richard Marx.
Pete, just something to consider, but I think an interview with Junior Brown would be outstanding. Smokin' guitar player; plays unique country, surf music, blues and even Jimi Hendrix tunes. Probably be a strange pick for SoT, but he could be very entertaining. He can be contacted via his web site.
Junior Brown rules. "Highway Patrol", " My Wife thinks you're Dead", great songwriting.
Michael Jackson turned white!
White girl?
Tbh, it was a skin condition.
Cutting off his nose
Sabbath not releasing a full length album in the late 90s would be my choice. 13 was disappointing for me but an album during the first reunion might have killed. Ozzy’s voice was still coming in hot at the time.
I have to disagree with that one (sorry lol)...for me, the extra tracks on Reunion (Pyscho Man and Selling My Soul) are no better than the stuff on 13. I do agree it was the last chance to get Ozzy singing well... I was at those Reunion shows and he was great, whereas next time they played Birmingham (only a few years later BTW) he was a wreck
Geezer just couldn't write anymore, did great with Dio though!
All of you never dissapoint!😆🙂
I thought for sure Pete would pick Chicago going ballad-y in the 80s.
Celtic Frost's style change was a massive F*** Up.
You couldn't possibly be referring to the masterpiece that is Cold Lake!
I have a few colossal blunders here:
* Genesis trying to do an album after Phil Collins left in 1996 (Calling All Stations was a complete mess)
* Rod Evans and his bogus Deep Purple tour
* IRS Records executives shoehorning Ice-T and Ernie C onto Black Sabbath's Forbidden
* Richie Blackmore thinking that Deep Purple was his personal backing band (twice, no less)
* Motley Crue ever sticking with Vince after 1991
Mick Mars said that if they ever toured again he would “invite the world to come for free”.
We’ll see.
Yeah. I saw him on That Metal Show saying that the Crue is done.
The boys from the band Alice Cooper going out on their own without Vincent! Neither Alice or the boys were ever as good as the whole pie!
I agree 100 percent.
Judas Priest wanted to make a TURBO a double album since they wrote so many songs , but the record company said no to the idea. So the reason RAM IT DOWN sounds so much like TURBO is because 90% of the music on it was intended to be on TURBO.
I'm glad maiden didn't take a break because if they had they would have regrouped without janick and the six man lineup. I like janick in the band with Adrian he wrote some good guitar parts especially on brave new world and x factor and let's not forget that iconic opening riff to fear of the dark.
I enjoyed watching and listening to the Hudson Valley Squares!! Thank you.🎼🎤🎸🎵🥁
The Mentors were never the same after El Duce passed away.
LOL
Genesis making Calling All Stations. Should have called it a day after Phil left.
I like "Shipwrecked", tho.
I like Congo and the b-side Sign Your Life Away but otherwise I agree that that album was mostly a mistake or at least leaving that as their final studio album was a mistake. I kind of wish Genesis would do one more album to erase the bad memory of Calling All Stations, maybe mostly involving the trio lineup but with drumming from Phil's son and Chester Thompson and some guest spots from Gabriel and Hackett, maybe even Anthony Phillips as well.
Great comment about Motley Sydney...no integrity.
Next topic: the panel discusses best hudson valley squares lineup, lol.
Journey signing a guy that sounds just like Steve Perry. It has a cover band feel. When I hear what Jeff Scott Soto did and what Deen Castronovo did with singing Journey songs, I imagine what could have been
People give Janick Gers a hard time but he’s responsible for writing some of the bands best material in the post 2000 reunion era.
I mean that is like writing the best song on Nostradamus, nothing to hang your hat on
@@nonserviam4813 If you really have that opinion on everything Brave New World and on, why even respond to my comment? lol, its obvious you're not a fan so, cool, whatever. Respond to something thats relevant to you.
My biggest band regret is Guns N Roses breaking up. They are my favorite band. And I LOVED Guns N Roses last studio album Use Your Illusion 1&2. I really wanted to see what the next album would have been like. I know the song Slither from Velvet Revolver was originally going to be on the next GNR album which I love. It’s just a shame that fans missed out on 20 years of albums from GNR. But they have plenty of great songs and didn’t need 20 albums to make them. But that’s my band regret. Oh and also Dio not sticking with Sabbath for another few albums. Sabbaths best stuff was the Dio era IMO.
Major respect to Sydney for the Gary Moore album.
Alright Butch....I’m totally on board with all your picks ( although I do like some songs of Hysteria ) as light weight as it is.
I nearly died when Turbo turned up after Defenders of the faith....I’ve never heard the Turbo album once....
And Iron Maiden - I stop at Powerslave and even as early as when Clive Burr got booted as the strength dropped out of Maiden then...I don’t like Nicko McBrains drumming and Kevin Shirley, I did a demo with him when I was in Mortal Sin...I hated the production...toppy and shallow........
Also can you get in the Guinness book of records for being a metal fan and never once listening to Operation Mind crime ?
If so....I win....🥳 Killer show as usual.....cheers....
Lmao now that’s funny 😆
Haha...yeah, good is good and bad is bad! Turbo is band and to me everything after 7th Son, is not great either!
When Lynyrd Skynyrd decided that using the old plane was a good idea.😥
My first thought too. Most of these are creative choices some people don't agree with.....Skynyrd was life or death.
Lookin' a little too happy there, smiley face.
@@BenDowdy I changed the emoji to 😥: Thank you for your comment.😀
The mistake was not what plane they used, but not filling the fuel tank before takeoff.
@@TimCarter they should have had better pilots and crew to make sure the tank was full.
Vio-Lence, for firing their manager Debbie Abono. "Eternal Nightmare" was among the best thrash albums ever recorded and that band had stage energy like no other. The whole story is talked about at length on related episodes of "Zetro's Toxic Vault".
Weezer: Make Believe. Weezer: Raditude. Weezer: Pacific Daydream.
I'm out after Maladroit
Chris Allo was awake for exactly 36 minutes of this video!!! YIIPEE!!!
Seriously? I think it was more like 17 minutes.
I still think the most interesting thing on this show was finding out that Lynne has a strap-on
Grand Funk Railroad hiring Terry Knight as manager, then later on the drummer and bassist firing Mark Farner
I made the same comment before reading yours and others.
*Farner. I know you know that, it was probably due to spell check.
Sewer Brewer
5 words:
Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy
Concept: a guy talking over the Kashmir riff.
LoL I had completely blocked that from my memory
Oh man, great one!! Completely forgot about that one!!!
Im still trying to forget it 23 years later
This and the Aerosmith/Run DMC thing!
Worst decisions by bands are not knowing when to hang it up. Some good examples mentioned Kiss, Motley, etc. for various reasons but all about the 💰. Also after Butch spouting blasphemy about Maiden it was nice to watch him squirm having to hear the truth bombs about George Lynch from Rich & Syd! 😉
Janick would dance circles around Lynch on his best day.
In closing, I'd love to see Pete and Sydney do a Alice Cooper album ranking. I know Pete has done one before but it would be cool to do a updated one and see what his changes (if any) might be and to see how Sydney ranks hers. My favorite is "Raise Your Fist and Yell"
What can I say, I just love the heavy metal Alice the best.
That’s my favourite too.👍
Roger Waters and David Gilmour reunited at Live 8 in 2005 for one night. Comfortably Numb was epic. That was just before Syd died.
Kinda wished Syd had joined'em.
OMG! I thought he had died in the 70s. I had no idea...thanks for telling me that.
I always thought that Shine on your crazy Diamond was some kind of obituary... Shocking!
@@geruto17760 Syd actually showed up for a few hours while they were recording Shine On, reportedly he said the track was good but sounded "a bit old.". I've also read that he briefly visited the studio during the sessions for Atom Heart Mother as well.
@@BenDowdy He was in no condition for that. He wasn't an "acid casualty" as is often stated (though it probably exacerbated things), he was schizophrenic. The trajectory of his illness was fairly typical (early adult onset, gradual improvement, but never really fully functional).
He was regularly seen riding his bike around where he lived with his sister. He had aged poorly and looked a lot older than he was.
I love George Lynch but it seems like after Dokken and the 80s he wanted to distance himself from the guitar hero that we had all grown to love. He started down tuning his guitar so that it wasn’t at the forefront anymore, I couldn’t hardly hear it on the first 2 Lynch Mob albums. I’ve kind of given up on ever hearing the old killer Lynch guitar sound again even though Michael Sweet did try to bring it back on their 2 albums together.
The guy who played guitar with Hall & Oates, and was in the SNL band, was GE Smith, FYI. And no one mentioned the fact that Billy Squier played lead guitar, sang with an amazing Robert Plant style vocal, and wrote all his own material. Pretty rare when you think about it.
I will never forget the first time that I suffered through Judas Priest's "Nostradamus" back in 2008. I was working a data entry type position at my employer in which I could listen to music all day at my desk. It is easily one of the most boring, repetitive and just plain bad releases that I have suffered through in the last 15 years. I have never listened to it again since.
Agreed
1:31:24 LOL... It's hilarious how often someone rails on a band, and Lynn defends them (good for her). I want a ring-tone of Lynn saying "I _like_ that song/album/band".
ZZ Top's "remastered" 70s albums.
That's good call. Shit, wish I had thought of that one. They BUTCHERED those poor albums with that awful drum sound.
I like the tejas remix.
At least the originals are back now.
Its like they tried to make all those albums sound like Eliminator
STYX and "Mr. Roboto" - biggest band turnoff for me! I never liked anything they did after that... just couldn't get that crap out of my mind. Absolute great pick, Pete!
Les Binks forced out of Judas Preist. "Hey, do you mind dumbing down your drumming and not getting paid?"
And then they brought in Dave Holland 🤢
Thankfully Scott Travis makes the 80's catalog swing Live
22nd row center, St Louis 4 tickets
Technically, he was not forced out of JP. He left on his accord, but it is true that it was because he was asked if he could waive his recording fee for the Priest in the East album. If he did (although sucky), maybe he would still have been in JP in the early 80s.
Holland was not the technical type of drummer but he helped defining the 80s Priest sound with his unique groove and subtlety. Travis has always been unable to play 80s Priest songs with the right feel.
I'm seeing several comments saying Danzig-Blackacidevil. I'm a huge Danzig fan and I appreciate this album even though it is far different than the others before or since. Sacrifice, See All You Were, Hint of Her Blood and Come To Silver are excellent. The rest of the album is fine but I could've done without Hand of Doom.
Danzig-Blackaciddevil, Was this mentioned? Truly terrible. So many bands in the 90s had their nu-metal/grunge/industrial attempts and most failed.
Agreed horrible! I'm surprised Chris didn't mention this one.
Once the original lineup left it went down the sink.
Everyone mentoned Priest bad moments, but Halford leaving after the classic Painkiller was a bad decision. Joe perry leaving Aerosmith. They didnt recover till he came back in 84. And, I love Queen. And Paul Rodgers in one of my favs. But not together . That did not work at all . Paul singing Freddie songs
Freddie Mercury dying means they had no choice. I'd question whether Queen needed to do a reunion at all but then they have to ask themselves whether they wanted to find a Freddie clone to imitate his singing or a singer with his own style and presence. They went with a singer who is different which I respect a bit more. I don't like Adam Lambert either. Queen ended really when Freddie Mercury died and I don't think any singer could satisfactorily replace him.
I saw Aerosmith In 81 or 82 at the Long Bench Arena, without Joe and they just sucked. Tyler was just coked out!
Geoff Tate started resenting his own fans and acting as if old Queensryche material was beneath him.
It is amazing how the old material becoming beneath him coincided with his voice going into the toilet. 😏
My pick is Rush. I was a huge Rush fan, and I even liked Signals even though it was a somewhat of a departure from their classic sound. I went out and got Grace Under Pressure the day it came out and was horrified. That was it for Rush for me for a long time. I still listened to the old stuff, but didn't buy another Rush album for a long time. I have kind of warmed up to Grace Under Pressure since, but it was such a radical departure from what I grew to love about Rush, and I don't think they have put out any truly great albums since. I do have all their albums now, but nothing compares to the early albums in my opinion.
Spot on.
Yea Grace is last good thing they ever did imo.
I forced myself to like it because GUP was the first Rush release I waited for. I ended up liking it, but then I checked out until CA.
@@bobpike8050"Forced myself to like it" was a _very_ common thing amongst Rush fans post Moving Pictures.
I know there are people that genuinely like the stuff after Moving Pictures but certainly a lot of people were just committed to liking their albums even though they were clearly disappointed in them.
I noticed this pattern where whenever a new album came out fans would say "Best album since Moving Pictures!" or "Rush has definitely returned to Permanent Waves era form!" and then I'd listen to it and be like"Huh? It's just bland synth pop" etc.
I remember thinking it was telling that people would always say "they've returned to form!" (meaning pre-Signals form) when they had claimed every album that came out after Signals was just as good as anything before it. Obviously if they thought they had returned to form they didn't really like the stuff after Moving Pictures as much as they claimed.
In some cases years later they'd admit they didn't really like the latter day albums.
I think a lot of people got excited when they returned to a more guitar oriented sound but I don't think the song writing was very good.
I think their last two albums were a lot better than anything they had done since Signals but nowhere near as good as anything before Grace Under Pressure.
The R40 tour was great however. They were always great live but when their setlist was dominated by synth era songs you had to wait essentially until encore time to hear the good stuff.
I love Rush for their first 8 albums but I never find myself listening to anything after Signals.
@@b.g.5869 Guilty as charged. Seems every great act has about 6 great sets in them that fans can truly dig and debate over. With Rush it took an album or two to get up to speed, a bit like with YES.
John Lennon: "Yoko my dear do you think we should hire some bodyguards?"
Yoko: "We dont need any fucking bodyguards John!"
Genesis - To change from a prog rock band to a prop pop and finally to end as an adult contemporary band. Regressive rock? And of course there is the debacle that is the "Love Beach" album cover by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.
I love Hysteria, I dont like them as much after Steve Clark died. I wish they would have went back to a heavier sound after Hysteria, but they kept getting softer.
I do still like them, but somehow their creativity took a nosedive in the 90s. There are probably many reasons, such as the whole grunge movement, but the absence of Steve Clarke must be the no.1 reason. RIP, WE MISS YOU STEVE!
I’m his defense, ‘Rock me tonight’ wasn’t Squire’s idea.. his record label made him do it at the last minute. What they should’ve done was show a model getting primped up for a concert and show the band at the end
Adrian Smith was an integral part of Maiden, but it was awesome getting to hear him sing in the ASAP album. He's a great vocalist in my book.
Agreed, he’s just one of those dudes that was meant for music. Amazing talent.
He's also doing vocals on the CD that he's doing with Richie Kotzen.
@@jordanfarquharson5345 Wow, you know when that is coming out?
@@Cheddar_Wizard Absolutely!
Chris had my number 1 pick with Sepultura, however I really like the Roots album. Did not like it for a long time, but about 10 yrs after for whatever reason I started listening to it a lot. I really like Ghost too, that Repugnant album is cool, but I like Ghost and it’s not something that looks like it was made in the image of Tim Burton or Scooby Doo stuff. How do people come up with stuff that doesn’t make any sense. If someone were to describe them that way and I go listen to them, I would be so confused as to how they came up with that. Why is it cool for other bands to wear costumes or corpse paint, but Ghost gets made fun of for doing it? When I started listening to Ghost when first came out I had no idea they wore costumes or any of that stuff, so I think people feel like their cheesy because their image doesn’t match what they think their music should be which would be more on the black metal side.
Nick: Ginko Biloba. Is that one of my Finnish bands? Brilliant.
I wonder how many people developed some kind of rash playing around in the sugar.
Great show y'all! I love hearing all the opinions on this show. I share a lot of them with you. Especially Ryan and Butch on this episode. Y'all take care! I'll watch for ya next week.