HMAS Australia (1911) - Guide 357

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Комментарии • 371

  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  11 месяцев назад +17

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @lqw3844
      @lqw3844 11 месяцев назад +3

      Can you review the only two "battleships" Chinese navy ever owned? The DingYuan and ZhengYuan.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 11 месяцев назад +1

      A common criticism of the original battlecruiser concept shown with Invincible, which I tend to agree with, is that while the battlecruiser is tactically effective when used properly against lesser opponents, strategically you end up with a capital ship that cannot be used as a capital ship (i. e. Against other capital ships), making it a poor investment overall. What are your thoughts on this?

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech 11 месяцев назад +2

      Ship collisions - I’m guessing they would be more common in wartime. Do you know of any good data on collision frequency, causes, results, etc that is accessible?

    • @scottgiles7546
      @scottgiles7546 11 месяцев назад +2

      I was suddenly struck with how much money was burnt building the Capital Ships of WWI. Is it possible to give the total, inflation adjusted, for all major navies and close associates such as Australia as in this example?

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@scottgiles7546
      Neat question!

  • @TheBrad574
    @TheBrad574 11 месяцев назад +272

    I miss the old theme, but Legionnaire and Juggernaut have been good replacements. Scott Buckley is an excellent artist.

    • @tidaljunk
      @tidaljunk 11 месяцев назад +40

      I just miss the old theme. This music isn't in keeping with the imagery.

    • @Blutrauschhobbit
      @Blutrauschhobbit 11 месяцев назад +19

      While I like the style of the intros and think they fit the channel, I think both intros are too long. I skip it every time. The 30+ seconds could easily be reduced to half without missing anything...

    • @billbolton
      @billbolton 11 месяцев назад +38

      ​@@Blutrauschhobbitbut that would risk a five minute guide actually being five minutes.

    • @kkupsky6321
      @kkupsky6321 11 месяцев назад +11

      Right? Let’s face it tho. The dry dock tune is banger…

    • @mikepette4422
      @mikepette4422 11 месяцев назад +3

      nah I skip the opening now

  • @JacobT-1
    @JacobT-1 11 месяцев назад +66

    Appreciation comment for Drachinifel. Your channel has been helping me for years at this point. When things are so hard having this place to go to is a real tool. Being able to listen and feeling transported into somewhere in history is an incredible way to dissociate. Thank you for all of your hard work!

  • @captaincool3329
    @captaincool3329 11 месяцев назад +110

    Australian here, thanks for covering our first flagship. Interestingly enough, I found out an inquiry into her condition early this millennium found her in relatively good shape- I'd like to see her raised to be a museum ship (especially as there are no battlecruisers nor British-designed dreadnoughts left), although it would be very expensive.

    • @SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
      @SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat 11 месяцев назад +14

      Even if the condition are good I heard that she's turning into a coral reaf so she wouldn't be refloated anyway

    • @memecat57
      @memecat57 11 месяцев назад +19

      ​​@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoatkind of poetic if you think about how this ship was meant to protect Australia and now it's part of it especially when coral reefs are getting decimated by the weather and this ship is becoming one.

    • @Aiwendill
      @Aiwendill 11 месяцев назад +9

      and one day some mysterious ship will appear at her position and destroy her using explosives and mines all valuable steel as happened to other wrecks unfortunately...

    • @SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
      @SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@Aiwendill the ships you are referring to are in less protected waters, Australia is near the australian coast

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 11 месяцев назад

      Technically it was always Britain's.

  • @Princeofbelka
    @Princeofbelka 11 месяцев назад +38

    I was reading Mark Carlton's "Flagship" which is about HMAS Australia II
    But it has almost a tribute or foreword to the Old Lady.
    The whole nation mourned her loss, schools sent thousands of wreaths which were placed on her and it was almost as if the nation had lost one of its Heroes.
    But in reality we did. Australia was to Australia a gigantic behemoth like nothing we'd ever seen and a symbol of us being more than just a colony. Through her we were not just English or Scottish we were Australian and we were the Kings sword in the Pacific and our battlecruiser would vanquish his foes.
    I miss when our national identity was that of England's Pacific vanguard.

    • @frankbodenschatz173
      @frankbodenschatz173 11 месяцев назад +12

      A fitting reply for a great ally. Australia was and is a great nation assisting the war effort during WW2 and since.

    • @Princeofbelka
      @Princeofbelka 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@frankbodenschatz173 I long for the day we can rest happily watching a setting sun upon on the empire.
      Gone but her citizens safe and her legacy secure.
      It seems tho that even we the denizens our now decaying empire will fade away too.
      I fear what the future has in store for us Saxons.

    • @Phaaschh
      @Phaaschh 11 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@PrinceofbelkaLove your comment. Speaking as a Brit, I think that in generations to come, once the smoke of Woke has finally disappated, the Empire will be looked on much like the Romans- with a fascination for its technical prowess, organisational achievements, the brilliance of its benign common purpose, and how the globe was stabilised across its dominion, until the rise of the US, and the 2 enormous conflicts which saw its ultimate demise, and then the emergence of the "New Dark Age".

    • @sugarnads
      @sugarnads 11 месяцев назад +3

      Huzzahhhh

    • @jimwind7589
      @jimwind7589 11 месяцев назад +4

      It still is but for the last super power. Us Yanks

  • @questionmark05
    @questionmark05 11 месяцев назад +34

    From an Australian.Thank you for doing an another Australian ship.

  • @boobah5643
    @boobah5643 10 месяцев назад +8

    I find it very odd that she was just scuttled rather than scrapped or used as a target hulk.
    A quick look at Wikipedia tells me that Australia didn't have the facilities to scrap her and the Royal Navy already had plenty of targets from their local Washington Treaty downsizing. Presumably it would have cost too much to send her back to Britain for scrapping.

  • @PaulSteMarie
    @PaulSteMarie 11 месяцев назад +3

    On a purely technical note, the audio level on the introduction is just about perfect. Sounds good, with good cannon shots, and the subwoofer isn't knocking the knick-knacks off the mantle.

  • @docbob3030
    @docbob3030 11 месяцев назад +5

    Thank you so much for covering this Ship and its history.
    This is one of several Warships that my Grandfather served upon during his career in the Royal Australian Navy.

  • @michael5265
    @michael5265 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for this as my Great Uncle George was a stoker for 8yrs in HMAS Australia 🙂🙂

  • @Strategy_Analysis
    @Strategy_Analysis 11 месяцев назад +7

    Great video. Certainly better than mine on the same ship. It served an important purpose and played its part, even if never in the thickest of action. An early doom due to the naval treaties.

  • @asic45
    @asic45 11 месяцев назад +5

    Beautiful ship with a proud record.

  • @zhouenlai2569
    @zhouenlai2569 11 месяцев назад +49

    Australia is thus one of five countries (Great Britain, Germany, Japan and Ottoman Empire/Turkey being the others) to own a classic battlecruiser. A shame it did not get preserved.

    • @MattVF
      @MattVF 11 месяцев назад +17

      It is preserved.
      Just preserved at very great depth!

    • @stanleyrogouski
      @stanleyrogouski 11 месяцев назад +1

      Malaya got a super dreadnought but I don't think it ever served under the Malayan flag.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@stanleyrogouski HMS Malaya actually did fly the Federated Malay States naval ensign, hence her being nicknamed "enraged P&O" (because the four triangle red-white-black-yellow ensign looked very similar to the blue-white-red-yellow P&O House Flag).

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 11 месяцев назад

      Technically this ship was always British.

    • @graceneilitz7661
      @graceneilitz7661 11 месяцев назад

      Australia wasn’t a country, unlike all the other ones you listed. It was a dominion under the British empire.

  • @khaelamensha3624
    @khaelamensha3624 11 месяцев назад +6

    It seems that this proud ship did not miss an opportunity to bring bag back the glorious days of raming 😂

    • @vespelian
      @vespelian 11 месяцев назад +4

      Though not the then in vogue habit of spectacular detonation.

  • @OKellyP
    @OKellyP 10 месяцев назад +3

    It would be nice to hear a Story telling of the somewhat inept Australian Ship HMAS Psyche. It's main claim to fame would be a somewhat overheated mixed English and Australian crew's Mutiny over a lack of air-conditioning, or cooled air as the case maybe. My grandfather Stan Cleal served as a gun captain. He started as an English sailor and finished up as an Australian Sailor settling in Melbourne where he raised four children. According to accounts of his oldest daughter Norma, he was put up on charges relating to the frackar of the overheated Englishman while sailing up and down the Malacca straights. Seemingly the ship saw no more action than it's own disgruntled crew. :)

  • @RailfanDownunder
    @RailfanDownunder 11 месяцев назад +1

    Mike Carlton"s excellent book 'Flagship' does offer interesting insight into HMAS Australia as does his first book "First Kill' too

  • @Chris-yc3mm
    @Chris-yc3mm 11 месяцев назад +1

    Finally the audio volume levels have been fixed after months. Thank you.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  11 месяцев назад +1

      The only difference is that this video was rendered I mp4 instead of wmv, all other settings were the same 😀

  • @libraeotequever3pointoh95
    @libraeotequever3pointoh95 10 месяцев назад +1

    Sad end for a nice ship.
    Thanks for sharing the story.

  • @Shigure1863
    @Shigure1863 11 месяцев назад +1

    I like this intro theme. Best of the bunch so far I think...other than the old theme of course.

  • @Pointclearius
    @Pointclearius 11 месяцев назад +11

    Maybe a minor description error but it currently reads:
    "The Vestal, a battlecruiser of the Royal Australian Navy, is today's subject."
    Which I find quite amusing.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  11 месяцев назад +2

      Fixed 😂

    • @robertf3479
      @robertf3479 11 месяцев назад

      @@Drachinifel Hey, typos happen.

  • @falloutghoul1
    @falloutghoul1 11 месяцев назад +23

    I can't help but wonder if Australia had the resources to maintain this battlecruiser up to the 1940s, and how that would have affected the Battle of Java Sea.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 11 месяцев назад +19

      In that case I suspect the Japanese would have tried to pull another Force Z or bring a Kongo.

    • @flakstruk-8481
      @flakstruk-8481 11 месяцев назад +9

      Unmodernised she was only slightly more powerful than the Australia (ii)

    • @frednone
      @frednone 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@flakstruk-8481 But Kongo and her sisters were modified before Japan went to war, so they would have been modified by the time of Java Sea.
      So she was faster, always had an 8 gun broadside, her guns were bigger, her armor thicker and Australia might as well been unarmored to Kongo's guns.
      Though I think a replay of Force Z, the more likely outcome, or they would have pulled her back out of aircraft range.

    • @MattVF
      @MattVF 11 месяцев назад +9

      Unless she had recieved a phenomenal refit (and even then) she would have shared the fate of the other ABDA vessels. Java Sea was a desperate action at a time when the Japanese were running riot. ABDA was a hotchpotch collection of vessels from 3 different nations who had never worked together previously in such a way.
      Long lances against a bigger,older target which probably out range it in any case? Not an attractive proposition.
      Certainly when you add in the lack of air superiority .

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@MattVF but she could certainly apply alot of hurt into a Myoko-class Heavy Cruiser?

  • @craigfazekas3923
    @craigfazekas3923 11 месяцев назад +4

    Within the span of a few years later, Vickers Vimy G-EAOU would FLY to Oz from England.
    None of us could imagine the testicular fortitude involved in THAT feat....
    🚬😎👍

  • @michaelgowen2242
    @michaelgowen2242 10 месяцев назад

    This is my favorite of the new opening music options so far.

  • @rvail136
    @rvail136 5 месяцев назад

    Great video as always.

  • @magnificus8581
    @magnificus8581 10 месяцев назад

    Fun video and such beautiful views! Great that you could see it with your mom!

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 11 месяцев назад +10

    Sadly decomissioned before the Emu war.
    Or fortunately, if you view it from the Emus PoV

    • @nmccw3245
      @nmccw3245 11 месяцев назад +6

      Unfortunately, Campion is a tad too far inland for effective shore bombardment.
      I also suspect naval gunfire would do more damage to the emu ravaged farmland than to the resourceful and resilient emu who appear to rapidly form splinter cells and adopt guerrilla tactics.

    • @stevenjennings197
      @stevenjennings197 11 месяцев назад +3

      Would have made an epic sea battle with the Emu fleet.

  • @MonsieurPhilippe1
    @MonsieurPhilippe1 11 месяцев назад +1

    This theme should be used for Age of Sail videos, while the original one should serve from the ironclads onwards.

  • @user-hw1qo2mu9e
    @user-hw1qo2mu9e 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks Drach.

  • @j.thehappywyvern6397
    @j.thehappywyvern6397 11 месяцев назад

    That’s some nice music right there.

  • @RayyMusik
    @RayyMusik 11 месяцев назад

    4:10 That black painted turret with white barrels looks fascinating.

  • @robertbertagna1672
    @robertbertagna1672 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks!

  • @Jan-hx9rw
    @Jan-hx9rw 10 месяцев назад

    Truly enjoy your channel. Thanks so much for your efforts.

  • @OGFC
    @OGFC 11 месяцев назад

    I like the intro music. Very war like.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад +1

      In hate it and p0refer the older music. So we're tied

  • @jasonz7788
    @jasonz7788 11 месяцев назад

    awesome thanks drach!

  • @Pusserdoc
    @Pusserdoc 11 месяцев назад

    Good summary: thanks Drach

  • @christopheradams3914
    @christopheradams3914 21 час назад

    can u review hmas rushcutter 1321 our only wooden hulled patrol boat left , my grand father was on her a bit , she sank in darwin harbour and they have brought her up to shore , she took commandos up around papua new guinea in the war ill fated , thanks .

  • @AdamosDad
    @AdamosDad 10 месяцев назад +1

    To hell with naval treaties!

  • @rajekamar8473
    @rajekamar8473 11 месяцев назад

    Have you thought about reviewing RMS Lancastria? It is a facinating history and much is still held secret.

  • @Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
    @Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer 10 месяцев назад +1

    Imagine how much more popular the Australian navy would have been if she had been called the HMAS Beer.
    It would at least explain the number of collisions.

  • @Princeofbelka
    @Princeofbelka 11 месяцев назад

    Been waiting a very very long time for this,.

  • @DanielBray
    @DanielBray 10 месяцев назад

    Those kiwis should watch their driving. Hitting the queen of our fleet like that!

  • @GrahamWKidd
    @GrahamWKidd 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thank You to the Great Sea Koala for this Drach!!
    😃

  • @PupthePitbull
    @PupthePitbull 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oh man, really like the opening to the video, new favorite

  • @christophercripps7639
    @christophercripps7639 11 месяцев назад +6

    Lucky for HMAS Australia lies so far from the salvage pirates’ favored areas of operations. Unlike other wrecks, HMAS Australia is not classified as a war grave but is a protected historic shipwreck.
    Any nefarious salvager ship should be dealt with by a boarding party of fully grown dude kangaroos 🦘🦘🦘🦘 (jk, fully grown ‘roos are big, buff and not to be messed with). Heheh

    • @rickkennett3192
      @rickkennett3192 11 месяцев назад +2

      Better yet, drop bears. Make them really suffer.

    • @CipiRipi-in7df
      @CipiRipi-in7df 11 месяцев назад +1

      Better send a boarding party of emus. They proved their worth in Emu War, so a salvage ship would be no match for said emu boarding party. :P

    • @christophercripps7639
      @christophercripps7639 10 месяцев назад

      @@CipiRipi-in7df hahaha.

  • @battleship6177
    @battleship6177 10 месяцев назад

    Ah yes, best intro music replacement

  • @mikearmstrong8483
    @mikearmstrong8483 10 месяцев назад +1

    Don't you just hate that when someone goes around "hoovering up" your colonies?

  • @lordwintertown8284
    @lordwintertown8284 11 месяцев назад

    G'day Drachinifel,
    Ohh splendid our first capital ship sniff I do wish we had kept it for it could've served later as a guardship or if modernized but curse the Washington naval treaty CURSE YOU!! (rasied hand shaking).
    Now a suggestion if I will for a video review & relation to scuttling our ships post war off of NSW, How about the HMAS Pioneer? A Pelorus class cruiser (you've covered it slightly during a video on the SMS Königsberg) but that ship served a long career until finally being scuttled in the 1930's just off Sydney of all places & was only rediscovered during the 2010's.

  • @kennethdeanmiller7324
    @kennethdeanmiller7324 10 месяцев назад

    I like the new theme! No offense but it sounds similar to music in "Pirates of the Caribbean" but anyway it's like the channel has grown & evolved. The little shantee at the beginning with the champaign being broken to launch the channel/ship and now we at sea & shooting at stuff!!

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 11 месяцев назад +1

    So many collisions during this era and back to the 1860's. I study this time a lot and it feels like somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 the ships I've read about in all the navies have collided with something or other.

  • @deltan42
    @deltan42 11 месяцев назад +3

    @Drachinifel Any thoughts on why she was scuttled and not scrapped? I would have thought that shed be worth scrapping given her size

    • @CipiRipi-in7df
      @CipiRipi-in7df 11 месяцев назад +1

      According to Part 2, article IV of the Washington Naval Treaty, the ships marked for disposal should be rendered incapable of further warlike service (as described in Part 2, Article III (b) of the Treaty) within SIX months from the coming into force of the Treaty, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within EIGHTEEN months from such coming into force.
      Australia did not had the facility to comply with the timetable imposed by the Treaty. So, the only other option available was provided by Part 2, Article II (a) of the Treaty: Permanent sinking of the vessel.

    • @robertmoffett3486
      @robertmoffett3486 11 месяцев назад

      There was an awful lot of scrap available after WWI and the Naval Treaty. More than was needed, or digestible by scrappers. They also needed to keep supporting industries like iron mining running and improving until the next war. This also provided more employment, which was crucial to Britain

  • @joshharford1836
    @joshharford1836 11 месяцев назад +2

    Can you do HMNZS Leander or Moa?

  • @snowthearcticfox1
    @snowthearcticfox1 11 месяцев назад

    please make a playlist of all of these

  • @davidvavra9113
    @davidvavra9113 11 месяцев назад

    I like this music

  • @IC3XR
    @IC3XR 10 месяцев назад

    Do a video on the HMAS Australia II now?

  • @blueboats7530
    @blueboats7530 10 месяцев назад

    It's so weird to hear that much steel being disposed of by sinking rather than scrapping

    • @BlackHearthguard
      @BlackHearthguard 10 месяцев назад

      We (Australia) dispose of a lot (most?) of our retired vessels in the same way, scuttling, thereby creating artificial reefs, replacing ones lost to the warming coastal currents or damaged by other factors. They also form a not inconsequential part of our tourism industry, bringing in scuba divers from all over the world to dive on the wrecks.

  • @MrMikhail77
    @MrMikhail77 11 месяцев назад +1

    Lol how common is "running into your sister ship"? Seems to happen A LOT in British and US navies

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 10 месяцев назад

      Warships operate close together, and pre-radar that was always a problem. (For ALL navies...if you'd heard of more RN/USN that merely reflects their greater number of vessels) If you want to be truly shocked, look up just how many merchant ships TODAY manage to run into each other..with all the benefits of modern radar etc...

  • @captaindouchebag1703
    @captaindouchebag1703 10 месяцев назад +1

    RIP the only RAN capital ship.

  • @petethebastard
    @petethebastard 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yay... Ay Chemm Ay Esss Straya!

  • @draco84oz
    @draco84oz 10 месяцев назад

    "...when she collided with her sister ship HMS New Zealand. Coming off somewhat the worse of the two vessels..." Kinda like we always do whenever the Wallabies clash with the All Blacks.

  • @kennethmoore5068
    @kennethmoore5068 11 месяцев назад +1

    What are the diagonal objects seen on the exterior of the hulls of older ships like HMAS Australia?

    • @kimraudenbush615
      @kimraudenbush615 11 месяцев назад +1

      Those are booms for torpedo nets. Look closely, and you can see the rolled-up nets at deck level in some pictures.

    • @jintaytouch5905
      @jintaytouch5905 11 месяцев назад +2

      Those form the arms of torpedo nets that are extended while the ships are stationary. Mostly placed on capital ships which are vulnerable and expensive.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад

      @@jintaytouch5905 The Good Idea Faerie had struck, Danger was if the nets were damaged in action they could foul the screws. Can you say "Duck, Sitting, One Each" kiddies? Quickly removed when that sank in

  • @SpyralPegacyon
    @SpyralPegacyon 11 месяцев назад +1

    I recall reading somewhere that Australia was actually exempt from the naval treaties. The Australian government, however, was having an understandable bout of postwar pacifism (and likely lack of budget given she was in reserve) and had her scuttled as a sign of peace in their time.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад +2

      You should demand a refund for that book, Australia was NOT exempt as the Treaty applied to the entire British Empire "The Washington Naval Treaty, also known as the Five-Power Treaty, was a treaty signed during 1922 among the major Allies of World War I, which agreed to prevent an arms race by limiting naval construction. It was negotiated at the Washington Naval Conference in Washington, D.C. from November 1921 to February 1922 and signed by the governments of the British Empire (including the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India), United States, France, Italy, and Japan.

  • @rayalbaugh4149
    @rayalbaugh4149 11 месяцев назад +1

    Camped out and waiting!

  • @01Eldar
    @01Eldar 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wow! I share her birthday, June 23rd [+]

  • @johnsullivan6410
    @johnsullivan6410 10 месяцев назад

    Drachinifel, just a quick question if I may? The pic at 6.15 shows a gun being removed and one already on the wharf, is this pic captioned as HMAS Australia being stripped? Why I ask is that in the scuttling pics, it shows her with gun barrel's still in place.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  10 месяцев назад +1

      The new article that published the photos mentions the guns in place having been cut with torches to prevent salvage and reuse by others, so possibly the guns are being removed to do this in the picture, or new-ish guns are being removed for use elsewhere and older worn out guns were put back for the scuttling. Not entirely sure.

  • @Vanilla0729
    @Vanilla0729 11 месяцев назад

    1:07 "[A] 'half-flotilla" of destroyers." Is there a set number of destroyers that constitutes a "flotilla of destroyers?"

  • @Empoleonman522the2
    @Empoleonman522the2 11 месяцев назад +4

    "The Vestal, a battlecruiser of the Royal Australian Navy, is today's subject."
    *Ogey*

  • @col.firefly
    @col.firefly 10 месяцев назад

    Helmsman must have been Victorian. :P

  • @ditzydoo4378
    @ditzydoo4378 10 месяцев назад

    Half Australian and Half British crew you say. o~0 I can imagine the cross banter within the crew members was a bit colorful to say the least. >~

  • @RoryTrackrod
    @RoryTrackrod 11 месяцев назад

    Recycling, wasn't in vogue back then?
    ..

  • @redjacc7581
    @redjacc7581 11 месяцев назад +1

    how the hell does something the size of a large village collide with another large village?

    • @CipiRipi-in7df
      @CipiRipi-in7df 11 месяцев назад +1

      A "large village" have a proportional mass and hence, a proportional inertia. And in confined spaces, if you screw it, no matter how fast you react, you're done. The "large village" will turn the blind eye to your desperate commands until is already too late.

    • @observationsfromthebunker9639
      @observationsfromthebunker9639 11 месяцев назад +1

      Also, in the pre-radar days heavy weather in the North Sea or English Channel would reduce visibility, and thus affect when and how the big ships maneuvered. Add in the fact that RN ships still relied on flags for signaling, and things could suddenly get dicey under low visibility conditions!

  • @redjacc7581
    @redjacc7581 11 месяцев назад

    IJN Yubari please

  • @mattwilliams3456
    @mattwilliams3456 11 месяцев назад +1

    Why scuttled instead of scrapped? Was steel value to low to bother at that point?

    • @spudgamer6049
      @spudgamer6049 11 месяцев назад

      May not have had a proper yard in Australia to do so and no desire to send it back to britian? Just guessing, dunno.

    • @CipiRipi-in7df
      @CipiRipi-in7df 11 месяцев назад +2

      According to Part 2, article IV of the Washington Naval Treaty, the ships marked for disposal should be rendered incapable of further warlike service (as described in Part 2, Article III (b) of the Treaty) within SIX months from the coming into force of the Treaty, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within EIGHTEEN months from such coming into force.
      Australia did not had the facility to comply with the timetable imposed by the Treaty. So, the only other option available was provided by Part 2, Article II (a) of the Treaty: Permanent sinking of the vessel.

  • @GuusvanVelthoven
    @GuusvanVelthoven 11 месяцев назад

    That wreck must be worth a lot of money today. 🤔

  • @yeast7485
    @yeast7485 10 месяцев назад

    Wait, why was she scuttled and not scrapped?

  • @AdamosDad
    @AdamosDad 10 месяцев назад

    🐉Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club Member 1968-69🐉 🇺🇸⚓

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 11 месяцев назад +1

  • @kommandantgalileo
    @kommandantgalileo 11 месяцев назад +1

    I couldn't pronounce Indefatigable to save my life!

  • @SCECountZero
    @SCECountZero 11 месяцев назад +9

    Miss the old intro

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 11 месяцев назад +1

      OK but this one is quite good too

    • @robertsantamaria6857
      @robertsantamaria6857 11 месяцев назад +3

      The new Saturday song is slowly growing on me. The Wednesday song just isn't working for me though.

  • @philvanderlaan5942
    @philvanderlaan5942 11 месяцев назад +1

    Why scuttling rather than scraping?

    • @MattVF
      @MattVF 11 месяцев назад +1

      Was there anywhere in Australia that could scrap her at that time? Also there I suppose a degree of symbolism in scuttling her as opposed to simply cutting her up.

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 11 месяцев назад +1

      Cheaper, easier, quicker. She'd have had to go back to the UK to be broken up.

  • @wafflesnfalafel1
    @wafflesnfalafel1 10 месяцев назад

    Any idea why she was scuttled rather than scrapped? (Did I miss that?)

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 10 месяцев назад

      No facilities capable of scrapping her in Oz at the time.

  • @garygriffiths2911
    @garygriffiths2911 10 месяцев назад

    Strange that this ship was scuttled with her main armament still in place - might these weapons not have been used in coastal defence?

    • @glennsimpson7659
      @glennsimpson7659 10 месяцев назад

      The Army didn’t want them - they could not man them or afford them. Perhaps they should have been put in storage as Australia was desperately short of coastal artillery in WW2, ut we did have some 9.2” guns out of the old scrapped British Armoured Cruisers mounted in Sydney, Darwin and Perth which were quite effective against any warship up to Nagato and Mutsu size.

  • @josephbaca5214
    @josephbaca5214 11 месяцев назад +1

    Better intro music. Still not as good as your original!!! Love your work.

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 11 месяцев назад

    Why was the ship not scraped, lots of high quality metal in that ship.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад

      1) Cost to tow back to UK as Oz didn't have the facilities to do the job
      2) @CipiRipi-in7df
      According to Part 2, article IV of the Washington Naval Treaty, the ships marked for disposal should be rendered incapable of further warlike service (as described in Part 2, Article III (b) of the Treaty) within SIX months from the coming into force of the Treaty, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within EIGHTEEN months from such coming into force.
      Australia did not had the facility to comply with the timetable imposed by the Treaty. So, the only other option available was provided by Part 2, Article II (a) of the Treaty: Permanent sinking of the vessel.

  • @robertf3479
    @robertf3479 11 месяцев назад +4

    I hope her rediscovery did not make her vulnerable to the criminal scavengers who have been cutting up and salvaging ships built of "pre-atomic" steel as so many pillaged war-graves have been.

    • @MissJediMouse
      @MissJediMouse 10 месяцев назад

      She’s resting relatively close to Sydney Harbour, it’s pretty unlikely anyone would be able to do so without notice.

  • @jacklang3314
    @jacklang3314 11 месяцев назад +2

    Kinda sad she never saw any combat. Feel like that's the worst thing for a flagship. Apart from sinking in the harbour on it's maiden voyage.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 11 месяцев назад

      No, the worst would be being strategically (or worse, even tactically) obsolete by the time the capital ship in question enters service and thus being at best a pointlessly gigantic and expensive supporting unit akin to a destroyer.
      See; all the ships of the line that entered service during the transition to ironclads, all predreadnoughts that entered service after Dreadnought, and all the WWII-gen fast battleships (the two exceptions being Washington at Second Guadalcanal and DoY at North Cape, but even they were unable to serve as capital ships on all other occasions, and Washington still failed to stop the Japanese landing and resupply run that night-that was done by Henderson Field).

    • @TandemTrainRider99
      @TandemTrainRider99 11 месяцев назад +3

      > Kinda sad she never saw any combat. She did make a fair attempt to ram the flagship of our natural enemy :-).

    • @jacklang3314
      @jacklang3314 11 месяцев назад

      @@bkjeong4302 True, I'd forgotten about that.

    • @jacklang3314
      @jacklang3314 11 месяцев назад

      @@TandemTrainRider99 She didn't sink her with her guns.

  • @JZsBFF
    @JZsBFF 11 месяцев назад

    00:22 Anyone have an idea what the stuff is flying about when those big guns fire? Looks like styropor.

    • @kemarisite
      @kemarisite 11 месяцев назад +1

      It's been asked and answered before. The suspicion is that it was something that was never properly stowed being smashed by the shock of firing.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад

      Paper, One of the things remarked about by my infantryman uncles and others I have read is how much paper blows around a modern battlefield - reports, forms, packing lists, manuals, etc, etc

  • @toddwebb7521
    @toddwebb7521 11 месяцев назад +1

    But how big was its Marmite storage?

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 11 месяцев назад +2

      Zero. Think the Australians have Vegemite instead.

    • @questionmark05
      @questionmark05 11 месяцев назад +2

      Marmite is terrible british stuff, Vegemite is our terrible Aussie stuff.

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@questionmark05 Exactly. Englishman here, can't stand Marmite. Never tried Vegemite but happy to take your word that it is terrible 🙂

    • @toddwebb7521
      @toddwebb7521 11 месяцев назад

      @@gwtpictgwtpict4214 well it was built in a British yard, I'm sure they had to clean it out to convert to Vegemite storage

    • @ozstatman9269
      @ozstatman9269 11 месяцев назад

      Vegemite only came onto the market in 1923 - www.google.com/search?q=vegemite&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU753AU753&oq=vegemite&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYjwIyBwgAEAAYjwIyDAgBEC4YQxixAxiKBTINCAIQLhiDARixAxiABDIKCAMQABixAxiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDk0MThqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  • @keptinkaos6384
    @keptinkaos6384 10 месяцев назад

    The story of HMAS Australia is one about how to be blackmailed by a narcissistic mommy. We stayed poms well until after WW2.

  • @nborr258
    @nborr258 11 месяцев назад +1

    00:37. Come again, The end of the what?

  • @sharpetoo
    @sharpetoo 11 месяцев назад +1

    One consideration for Canada refusing to fund this is that having any military capability might upset the Americans. It's too easy for a popular politician or newsman to sabre rattle against a foreign enemy like Canada 🇨🇦.

    • @observationsfromthebunker9639
      @observationsfromthebunker9639 11 месяцев назад +1

      It wouldn't have been a problem, really. The Wyomings and New Yorks were built relatively fast, and then the Standards began rolling out. Canada could've had three battle cruisers and nothing would have really changed.

    • @glennsimpson7659
      @glennsimpson7659 10 месяцев назад

      Canada just hates spending money on its Navy. Always has, still does. Prairie Provinces don’t see the need and Quebec sees it as an Anglo institution. Plenty of more urgent calls on the public purse, such as funding macrame-weaving dance-based collectives…

    • @adam_mawz_maas
      @adam_mawz_maas 10 месяцев назад +2

      It was an excuse for not spending the money. The Canadian Parliament of the era was even stingier than Congress was at the time.

    • @observationsfromthebunker9639
      @observationsfromthebunker9639 10 месяцев назад

      @@adam_mawz_maas That would be a new record for fiscal stinginess.

  • @Stansman63
    @Stansman63 11 месяцев назад

    What a wonderful museum ship she would have made.

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад +1

      Why? She did virtually nothing of note

  • @patlittle4642
    @patlittle4642 11 месяцев назад

    Good day! What ever happened to HMS Canada?? She only served in the R.N.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 11 месяцев назад +1

      She was sold back to Chile and resumed her original name Almirante Latorre for the next 38 years.

    • @patlittle4642
      @patlittle4642 11 месяцев назад

      @@RedXlV Its too bad we (RCN) couldn't buy her?

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@patlittle4642 Chile had dibs, they sold her to the UK when WW1 broke out (since she was still under construction at Elswick) and bought her back afterward.

    • @patlittle4642
      @patlittle4642 11 месяцев назад

      @@RedXlV We most likely couldn't man or afford her! Sad

    • @ROBERTN-ut2il
      @ROBERTN-ut2il 10 месяцев назад

      @@patlittle4642 As part of the agreement when she was requisitioned by the RN, Chile had right of first refusal at the end of the war.

  • @ReclinedPhysicist
    @ReclinedPhysicist 11 месяцев назад

    How big a problem was commerce raiding between the wars?

    • @robertmoffett3486
      @robertmoffett3486 11 месяцев назад +1

      No navy would raid commerce during peacetime. That would be simple piracy

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 10 месяцев назад

      It wasn't. Commerce raiding IS a wartime activity. Anything like it BETWEEN the wars is Piracy!

  • @bogusfortune8388
    @bogusfortune8388 11 месяцев назад

    Please define "half a flotilla" of destroyers

    • @tbjtbj7930
      @tbjtbj7930 11 месяцев назад

      Usually 4 - RN Flotilla at this time was 8 ships plus a leader.

    • @MrPlusses
      @MrPlusses 11 месяцев назад

      Flotilla = how many similar ships they could combine to sail together.
      Half a flotilla = half of of above.

    • @ozstatman9269
      @ozstatman9269 11 месяцев назад

      This Wikipedia?(font of all wisdom?) article may help - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Australia_(1911)

  • @keithmoore5306
    @keithmoore5306 11 месяцев назад

    drach these platforms and planes, how did they expect that to work in the case of having to go into battle? did they expect to just chuck the whole lot overboard or did it get to the point where they needed to work that out before they gave up on it?

    • @kenoliver8913
      @kenoliver8913 11 месяцев назад

      The planes were for reconaissance over the horizon only and the platforms were built for easy disassembly so it was assumed there would be enough time to take them down before an enemy ship came within range.

    • @chrissouthgate4554
      @chrissouthgate4554 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@kenoliver8913 Also as anti-Zepplin Aircraft

    • @keithmoore5306
      @keithmoore5306 10 месяцев назад

      @@kenoliver8913 assumed and reality rarely if ever meet or are the same, the question remains what would they do if battle was imminent and the planes and platforms were still in place with no time to launch?

    • @kenoliver8913
      @kenoliver8913 10 месяцев назад

      @@keithmoore5306 Throw them overboard, obviously. A tactic reserved only for emergencies, obviously, but one that would work.

    • @keithmoore5306
      @keithmoore5306 10 месяцев назад

      @@kenoliver8913i was going more the official procedure they developed for situation rather than the obvious move! knowing the official procedure tells you just how out of touch with the tech leadership was at the time and how bad they were flailing with keeping up with that particular tech!

  • @user-hp5bc5cy2l
    @user-hp5bc5cy2l 11 месяцев назад +1

    I love your work very much, though most useful would be to focus on
    1. lessons from the past for the present
    2. contemporary issues or fleet units

    • @nmccw3245
      @nmccw3245 11 месяцев назад +2

      Outside the scope of the channel.
      Avoiding modern social / political discourse is a wise decision.

  • @benhall7574
    @benhall7574 11 месяцев назад

    Why scuttled instead of scrapped?

    • @adam_mawz_maas
      @adam_mawz_maas 10 месяцев назад

      Australia couldn't scrap her quick enough to comply with the treaty

  • @300guy
    @300guy 11 месяцев назад

    Obviously she went down with her turrets, why didn't they pull them for coastal artillery? did they not have cranes capable of such a task at the time in Australia?

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  11 месяцев назад +1

      They did keep the guns, but the turrets of a ship like this are part of the barrette, hoist and magazine system. So often it's easier to just remount the gun for a coastal battery.

    • @alun7006
      @alun7006 11 месяцев назад +1

      Ammunition production for the 12" guns stopped just after the war, so they would have been of limited use. And building big shore batteries would have been prohibitively expensive at a time of very tight budgets. The guns were initially removed, but were sunk with the ship.

    • @300guy
      @300guy 11 месяцев назад

      @@alun7006 you mean to tell me they used up all the 12" ammo made for most of the pre-dreadnoughts and all dreadnoughts before the Orion class or whichever introduced 13.5"?

    • @300guy
      @300guy 11 месяцев назад

      @@Drachinifel so they removed the guns but left the gun tubes in place or whatever the outer cladding is called?

    • @MattVF
      @MattVF 10 месяцев назад

      @@Drachinifel I was under the impression that the 12 inch guns were flame cut 3/4 of the way through (assumedly with acetylene) as part of the demilitarisation. I’m pretty sure that at least one 4 inch gun was retained as a memorial.

  • @WarThrawn2
    @WarThrawn2 11 месяцев назад

    Im curios... why wasent she scraped? Sinking such a ship seems wastefull.

    • @CipiRipi-in7df
      @CipiRipi-in7df 11 месяцев назад +2

      According to Part 2, Article IV of the Washington Naval Treaty, the ships marked for disposal should be rendered incapable of further warlike service (as described in Part 2, Article III (b) of the Treaty) within SIX months from the coming into force of the Treaty, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within EIGHTEEN months from such coming into force.
      Australia did not had the facility to comply with the timetable imposed by the Treaty. So, the only other option available was provided by Part 2, Article II (a) of the Treaty: Permanent sinking of the vessel.

    • @WarThrawn2
      @WarThrawn2 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thx for the answer, that explains it 100%! @@CipiRipi-in7df

  • @orenashkenazi9813
    @orenashkenazi9813 11 месяцев назад

    Curious why some warships are sold for scrap while others just get scuttled out at sea.

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 11 месяцев назад

      Expediency?

    • @jacobdill4499
      @jacobdill4499 11 месяцев назад +1

      Might be a location thing. It might not have been economical for the British to move it to a scrap yard from Australia.

    • @jacobdill4499
      @jacobdill4499 11 месяцев назад +1

      The us navy hulked the armored cruiser New York (Rochester at the time) and left it in Java rather than move it back across the pacific.