It's the music in the season 6 trailer! here's the song: ruclips.net/video/ZIaCvFT8nGI/видео.html and you can download the instrumental here: search.upright-music.pl/album/2850287b-b7a2-4e32-b7a5-76cda13d043b?selected=317b2366-7ee4-45e4-bd0a-9a56fafb2953
Todd's "fuck, man. What else is there to say?" was so hard-hitting and well-executed. The exhaustion and resignation coming through that one line feels so real.
@@jodgee2374 It's really hard to stick by someone who has so many self destructive tendencies. I used to have a friend who was similar like Bojack and I wanted to help her so bad but whenever I tried to help her I hurt myself in the process.
The Gina arc broke my heart. After playing bit parts on crap shows, she finally had her moment and it was stolen from her in an instant. I want a spin off of hers and Diane should be in it too. 💔💔💔
@@inflorire Actually in the last episode when Bojack and Mr. Pb are talking at the restaurant you can see a bill board with Gina, Jill, and Todd’s ex(forgot her name)doing the movie Jill pitched.
@@slushdog1012 I like to think that Kelsey approached Gina herself after figuring out she changed after doing a show with Bojack. I am sure she would have offer her a safe environment to work regardless of who she is, but I think they could have talked about their experiences with Bojack nearly destroying their carreers.
I gotta say, the ones in seasons 1-3 were harder hitting. Season 5 had a good one, but hearing Herb, Charlotte, and Todd say it feels so raw and personal.
I feel like the 1 Fuck being shifted towards Gina’s story is really well done and hits harder the more you look at it. Where before it’s said every time Bojack really hurts a relationship and then Bojack goes to physically, mentally, and emotionally traumatize Gina by strangling her (after having trusted him enough for to have a pretty sweet relationship I imagine is an extra knife in the wound beyond just being assaulted by a coworker, so it’s like every level of fucked), then the 1 Fuck stays with her because now Bojack is NEVER not hurting her.
Hambone Fakenamington i agree, but i feel like the impact of the word the moment you hear it is the most important, and the word is most impactful in the moment in seasons 1-3
I think the f word was supposed to symbolize a relationship with bojack that had been broken his friendship with herb, Penny, and Todd, and then his relationship with his mom, and then his girlfriend Gina idk what season 6 is tho maybe solidifying ginas idk because after that there relationships were never the same
GJP I didn’t like that one because I liked the theory that the f bombs signify Bojack irreparably damaging a relationship so I didn’t even realize Gina’s co-star dropped the f bomb of the season
@@jmedina6625 Maybe it means there's still a chance for Bojack to redeem himself, perhaps he can mend his relationship with Hollyhock. Perhaps it's a tidbit suggesting Bojack is done destroying the lives of people around him.
Andrew Aguilar No it means that Bojack’s actions have long lasting consequences because Gina is still traumatized from the choking incident and it affects her career
@@jmedina6625 actually the theory holds up when you think about it: the last what the fuck is wrong with you is only said because of the result BoJack had in someone. BoJack is ruining lives without being even in the room.
I think the last F bomb is huge. It not only mirrors what Gina said to BoJack. It is showing that her reputation is becoming shattered due to directors and other actors believing she is difficult. Almost directly after this the director tells Kelsey that while Gina is a great actress she has become more difficult. Kelsey who had high expectations and thoughts of Gina takes back her initial decision to cast her in her movie. This is irreversible since she can’t get that role back.
but the sad thing is... she HAS become more difficult to work with. Her trauma does harm her and she harms the projects she is in because of it. Gina has become a hazard and an inconvenience to every single show or movie she works in. It's not that she was a false reputation, she had a true bad reputation because she is difficult to work with, but what people don't see is that it's the reason why she is so difficult to work with and the even sadder thing is that even if they knew it's irrelevant: she is difficult to work with and therefore she won't get many roles, and it's not a surprise, a movie or show takes a lot of time, money and effort, and she is not entitled to put projects in danger only because of her trauma. Bojack horseman is a show that defends this idea, your trauma is not a free pass to be shitty.
Swift Swalow she is stuck though, she can’t get her trauma addressed because she believes by telling the public that Bojack did indeed strangle her on set, that would be all she is known for. She wants to further her career while pushing this real problem aside. And she’s right, I think. Scandal does tend to be the first thing you think of with some celebrities. Her Trauma is no excuse to be a shitty person to others, but I feel for her. There’s not much she thinks she can do. If she had it addressed privately that might help, but the risk of it leaking to the public eye might still be a fear ... poor Gina.
Swift Swalow shes going to give herself a bad reputation all because she doesnt want to be seen as a victim. Shes overcompensating and putting up defenses. I hope she can get some real help.
I feel so bad for Gina. To have your life ruined by a traumatic event that you can’t even talk about because who wants to be known as the person Bojack Horseman strangled
I don't think it was a joke at all. The F bomb is always used when a relationship is damaged beyond repair. and by that point, it's clear that Bojacks relationship with his mom is way beyond salvageable. it hits less hard because it doesn't show the moment that their relationship broke, but it's still significant.
@@jodgee2374 It's more that the F bomb marks the end of that relationship, at least it marks the end of that era. After the scene where Todd says "F*ck man, what else is there to say?" their relationship is never the same, Todd moves out and isn't as close of a friend as he was before to Bojack. And in the final episode you can see how although Todd doesn't have any ill feelings towards Bojack he knows that their relationship as friends can't carry on since it would be toxic for both parties.
I also think it gives a subtle hint that when Bojack's mom finally recognizes him, he would NOT use the F-Bomb like he is planning to. Because the F-Bomb for that season is already done.
Not really, the F word is used when a relationship is broken and Bojack's relationship with his mother has been broken for years but Bojack never admitted until then.
He didn't truly lose Hollyhock until season 6 though. They stayed in touch and she was even really happy to see him when they met again. He only lost her when she heard about all the people he hurt and realized what kind of person he was
Season 4 is probably the least hard hitting, particularly in the moment as it’s played for laughs. But when you look deeper it has more meaning - Bojack planned to say “fuck you” to his mom, but when she finally recognised him at the end of Times Arrow, he comforts her, telling her she’s at the old Sugarman Place. It shows how Bojack developed and softened, and how even when he had the chance to tell his mom to fuck off, he comforted her instead, despite everything.
Fully agree. The ending of Time's Arrow is one of my favourite scenes in the whole show, and it gets so much of its power from the F-bomb we get here. The fact that it's played off for laughs almost makes us dismiss it, but its such a powerful concept (tearing into an aging woman with dementia in a moment of clarity) that it sticks with us and informs how we expect Bojack to act. When he's kind to her instead, it's the proof we need that Bojack actually can be redeemed. I've heard some people say she didn't deserve that kindness, but in a way, it wasn't for her. It was for him. He broke the cycle of hate.
One thing that many people don’t notice is Beatrice’s lucidity. After bojack describes the ice cream, Beatrice struggles to remember the taste of it (since she never ate ice cream before), looks around the room and realizes everything. But she goes along with it. And it hits so much harder.
I still think Charolette’s hits the hardest Like, all of them cut deep, and even deeper knowing that it’s such a symbol to the writers about someone’s relationship with Bojack being permanently damaged. And Herb’s and Todd’s both show so much they’ve lost for Bojack. But Charolette’s was so much more. It wasn’t someone telling Bojack off, and it wasn’t just someone saying he’s a bad person. It’s the only time I believed someone would never have Bojack in their life again, because I 100% believed what Charolette said. She will kill Bojack if he threatens her family’s happiness again. Shit I believe that Charolette was more likely to kill Bojack than Bojack was to kill Gina. I hope I can threaten as convincingly as her one day. What a queen
I mean, as far as Charolette knows, her (still 17) daughter was about to do the nasty with BoJack. She reacted like any sane parent would in that situation.
There's no other way to interpret that scene she walked in on. What the hell else were they doing sitting on the edge of a bed starting to undo their clothes? There's no way that wasn't what was about to happen and thank fuck she caught it before it started.
@@2kmichaeljordan438 well, in the show they've established through other characters experiences that all babies from interspecies relationships would be a species of one of the parents **not** a hybrid of both.
I remember seeing this really hard hitting scene in a movie with a famous director, later I found out, it was basically like that. The actress was actually being attacked and crying because she didn’t know it would happen and they just filmed... I rewatched and Flip says and writes so many sexist things about women through the season. When he’s into the choking scene, it adds a whole level of ick to how he views women. Just... incredible writing (by the writers of Bojack, not Flip).
@@inflorire You mean because of his interaction with Diane? What did he say? He does seem like the kind of aloof and egocentric person that likes to think of themselves as an artistic mastermind. The kind that disregards other people's opinions and well-being in his pursuit of becoming a revered artist.
This is how you put cursing in your adult show. Take notes, Dexter writers. You don't need to have Debra Morgan say the f word every 5 seconds to make her edgy. Or to imply she has Daddy issues.
Debra swearing doesn't make her a bad character. quite the opposite. it's how she copes with her gruesome job. It's when she stops swearing in the later seasons when stuff gets serious. Off topic I know. But if you wanna talk about shows that are so liberal with swear words they lose all meaning, why not go for South Park?
@@savannahm9943 How did this become about me? I'm too modest for that sort of attention, but I'm flattered you tried to project a simple gripe I had with a fictional TV show on me. Thanks!
The progression is interesting. The first fuck is from an old friend for an old wound. The second is from an old friend for a new wound. The third comes from a friend who’s not *really* upset about any one specific thing, but has reached his breaking point. Then the fourth is Bojack himself using it to vent the poison in him from the trauma his mother put him through. Five is from him directly traumatizing someone else. And then six, most tragically of all, is that someone else getting it for struggling with that trauma. The cycle continues.
To this day Todd's probably still hurts the most. I'm living in so much suspense wondering who's gonna get it in season 6 part 2, I'm hoping for Diane.
i love how every fuck represents a way bojack is fucking up a relationship, but the last one is more so showing the long term repercussions of bojack actions. i love this show.
I love how in season 6, the F bomb represents how Bojacks actions continue to have an effect on people lives. It’s not said by a main character, which I think actually makes it even more impactful, showing that Ginas life is permanently impacted by Bojack, which will continue to affect her and other people in her life, in this case, affecting the jobs of these essentially background characters, despite Bojack not even having any sort of a relationship with these people.
Charlotte's will always be my favorite. The growl in her voice when she says "don't you dare" always gives me chills. I wish we got to see more of Charlotte just based on Olivia Wilde's voice acting alone.
I think it's brilliant. Every time the f bomb is dropped in Bojack, it actually feels like an emotional bomb. People and shows nowadays use it so often that it has less meaning. Words lose their meaning if they are overused, especially swears and slang. I'm not sensitive about cursing, I do it more than I should. But I think swearing is more meaningful when it is reserved for emotional moments, especially the heavy ones like fuck.
Todd's 'fuck' will always be my favorite. It's without a doubt the most emotional one. The others are angry, but this is just so natural and such a sad moment. He's just overwhelmed and. . . . what else is there to say?
I feel like the letter said something like “dear bojack, I never wanna see you again , I know you gave Pete’s girlfriend the booze. fuck you-Hollyhock”
Yeah, i never considered that Gina scene to be the one. Maybe to portray and show that they didn’t forget the “f-bomb” tradition, they made that scene. But deep down, i know the f-bomb was in Hollyhock’s letter. He ruined her.
I think Todd's was the saddest because it wasn't even a angry F bomb it was just the fact that he was done and there was nothing else to say. Eventually they made up and were on speaking terms again but their friendship would never be the same.
It's amazing how they even manage to subvert their own rules. My favorite is definitely the one by Bojack because of the pay off when he finally gets his chance. And I'll admit, I felt the one with Gina was just not up to their standards at the time but they even managed to give that a pay off that I didn't know I was expecting.
I think the one in season 6 is another subversion. Throughout part 1, Bojack is finally getting his life together. He's finally found solice and happiness with himself, at least a little bit. But despite that, he's still caused damage to people, and that damage still resonates with them. That's what the last episode is about. The "fuck" highlights this resonating damage, even though Bojack isn't in the episode at all. The fact that it's verbatim what Gina said to Bojack also emphasizes this. No idea if they'll surprise us with a second "fuck" in season 6, but part 2 is REALLY going to be interesting.
@@uknownada It's interesting to note how when in S6P2, when the guy said "What the fuck is wrong with you?" to Gina, she kind of paused in shock for a second and grasped her neck. This is because that's the same thing she said to BoJack, when he strangled her. When the guy said this same phrase, the traumatic strangling moment came back to her via PTSD flashback, because that phrase was associated with the incident. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
Herb's was loneliness and regret. Charlotte's was rage and guilt. Somehow Todd's cut the deepest with his tone of immense disappointment and sadness upon realizing that he had to abandon his toxic best friend.Aaron Paul is an amazing (voice) actor, that scene is so convincing.
The episode where Bojack strangles Gina is still one of my favorite to this day, to see him slip deeper and deeper into his addiction, almost taunted by it via the image of the floating Bojack balloon, and then for it all to culminate and the line between fiction and reality is blurred as he finally ascends to come face to face with the root of his misery, how Todd put it in season 3: himself. The music is hauntingly peaceful and the expressions on that horse’s face convey great pain, regret, and fear for what lies ahead. A beautiful moment of a beautiful episode of a masterpiece of a show.
At first, I didn’t like season 4’s f-bomb. But then, after watching “the old sugarman place” with a friend, they asked me “oh no, is this season about forgiving your abusive parents?” And that’s when it hit me. Bojack saying “fuck you, mom” was the shows way of shutting that idea down completely. Bojack will never forgive his mom, and that’s okay
Holy shit, the qoute "What the fuck is wrong with you" on season 5 and season 6 mirrors each other. Both Bojack and Gina is a product of the problems in the past that devours them in the present. I don't know what i'm saying lol.
Todd's and Gina's both hit me super hard every time. But holy shit the voice actress for Charlotte NAILS it. If that woman threatened me like that, I'd crap my pants right on the spot.
Season 2 is, for me, the most impactful. I consider myself a pretty peaceful person. But being the mother of a daughter myself I felt that anger on a primal level.
I actually really like the last f bomb because it shows how Bojack affects peoples lives through the eyes of others and not just himself. Like, not only did he traumatize Gina, but now has in a sense turned her into another Bojack Horseman because she can’t live normally anymore, showing the lasting ripple effects.
Bojack saying it to hollyhock is the one that hit the hardest to me because instead of another character symbolically telling Bojack that their relationship has been permanently damaged by him, it's bojack telling someone who had such high hopes of him that he's going to disappoint her- and he did.
Although it may not seem as meaningful at first, I feel like season 4's F-bomb was Bojack trying to shift the power dynamic by attempting to cut his mother out of his life the same way other characters keep doing with him. All the other F-bombs are used against him when he is undeniably the one at fault, but Beatrice is the only living person he can rightfully blame for some of the bad things in his life. Unfortunately, the dementia robs him of that satisfaction and when the plan backfires, he ends up actually having to take her home with him instead.
i gained so much respect for mr peanutbutter after he said ' okay , that's enough ' and was the first to make a move to rescue gina ... that scene makes me feel ill!
season 2's F bomb hit the hardest for me because of the severity of the situation. Charlotte trusted Bojack, and so did Penny, and he fucked them over. horrible.
Its interesting in the second to last one, bojack traumatizes that girl and she says, what the fuck is wrong with you, and in the next one it is someone else saying to her what the fuck is wrong with you. I think this is notable because someone only does something so crazy that they are asked what the fuck is wrong with them only after they have been traumatized themselves. Bojack passed his disease onto her
I think the 6th season one was super good. Lots of people are it was "wasted" on Gina, but honestly I think it really shows on how Bojack really does effect his victims. 4th one could have been executed way better. Seemed more of a joke then an actual serious moment.
the fact that what Gina's colleague says to her is the same thing she said to bojack after he assaulted her is an excellent cinematic parallel showing the extent of her trauma from bojack
That rule of the writers of using the F Word really makes moments stick. The Todd moment will always stick me, the perfect amount of delay, the thought of Bojack losing his best friend, and Bojack dropping it in S4 makes perfect sense given it's all about his mother and his relationship
In season 5 we saw Gina take all kinds of sexist treatment on set without ever complaining. In season 6 her costar thinks it’ll be cool to improvise a stunt, but she’d been assaulted by a male costar and became defensive. We get the same words she used thrown back at her. She was criticized harshly by the men on set for not being easy to work with. They can’t know what she’s been through because she put on a happy face through the Philbert ordeal. The secret she hid to save her career is destroying it. It takes a female director to break the cycle by looking past the “difficult” reputation.
Fuck every time I see those scenes with Gina I feel REALLY bad for her. She wanted to hide her literally almost being killed because she wanted a career where she would be herself, and not "girl that almost got strangled by star actor". And in the end it traumatized her so hard it gets in a way of her acting.
Season 4’s really fits into the wider pattern talked about in the Season 6 interview, doesn’t it? “Fuck you, mom, now I have the power!” All those failed, destructive relationships were just him trying to get revenge on his mother.
Todd’s hit the hardest for me, you can tell he feels so tired of Bojack’s bullshit. He just finally tells him to stop blaming his problems on everything except his shitty actions.
I think the last two hit me the most. How the cycle of trauma moved from Bojack to Gina, and how her career probably forever suffered because of it. She might not have been known as the person that Bojack strangled, but like someone else had said, she'll never get that movie role back. it's really heartbreaking
Bojack Horseman really stands out from the adult cartoons we're used to see, where most of the humour is shock-based, it hurts me so much that it was so misinterpreted
while watching I was genuinely shocked every time they use the f word because even in a show full of curse words the f-bomb always amplified the moment and it felt so out of place hearing it come from characters who rarely/never use it the writers did a wonderful job on this show its one of my favorites
I just realized thet season 5 and season 6 are the same sentences and the way gina reaches out for her neck at the same time in both scenes makes it so much more intense
The ones that stuck with me the hardest was first Todd, hes this wacky side character who finally gets to tell Bojack hes whats wrong with him and that its almost exhausting. And Bojack when he says hes going to tell his mom Fuck You. He has this elaborate scheme to get revenge... and he never gets it. She never truly stays lucid enough for him, and once she does recognize him he realizes the woman who was cruel to him is long gone. Senile and gone.
i remember starting the show and hearing herb’s “get the fuck out of my house” and sitting there in shock for a sec. i didn’t realize how powerful it could be until that was the first time i heard it so far.
The thing about Penny was I thought it was a misunderstanding Bojack didn't explicitly invite it, so I tried so hard to say that it had to be something else, more mundane and 3 seasons later, he straight-up admitted it and I realized I wasn't as awake as I thought I was
Something amazing that the writers display in this show is that the word 'fuck' is MOSTLY used when Bojack destroys/is destroying a relationship he had with someone. First when fighting with Herb, then with Charlotte finding him w/ Penny, then with Todd, and finally Gina. I definitely feel like seasons 1, 2, 3, and 5 had the best and hardest-hitting ones. Season 4 was showing how deteriorated his relationship with his mom really was and how he lacked any form of forgiveness, and Season 6 showed how greatly he traumatized Gina in Season 5's F-bomb+the results of that. It's absolutely amazing the thought that the writers put into this show and I think almost everything in it is incredibly executed.
Funny enough when I watched season 4 completely spoiler free.. when I heard the "fuck you mom" I didn't realize it was the big moment of cursing.. but when he made it seem like a serious proposal to forgive, and few bluntly says it.. I legit felt shock, you don't even notice it in the moment
In seasons 4 and 6, the f bombs didn't even feel real, the rest were almost kinda telegraphed, when the moment came, you kinda expected it, those 2 were the exception
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ok but what’s the song in the beginning
It's the music in the season 6 trailer! here's the song: ruclips.net/video/ZIaCvFT8nGI/видео.html and you can download the instrumental here: search.upright-music.pl/album/2850287b-b7a2-4e32-b7a5-76cda13d043b?selected=317b2366-7ee4-45e4-bd0a-9a56fafb2953
@@Avalon22Records I thought it was the Wizards of a Waverly place theme song 😂
@@Shmerrp ikr it sounds just like it
@@Shmerrp 😭😭😭
Todd's "fuck, man. What else is there to say?" was so hard-hitting and well-executed. The exhaustion and resignation coming through that one line feels so real.
It's Aaron Fucking Paul
@Towelie 😁👍🏽
@Towelie Why didn't you stick by him?
@@jodgee2374 It's really hard to stick by someone who has so many self destructive tendencies. I used to have a friend who was similar like Bojack and I wanted to help her so bad but whenever I tried to help her I hurt myself in the process.
@Towelie *Fuck man, what else is there to say?*
Charlotte's really cuts like a knife. Damn.
Patrick's Crazy Place Definitely my favorite fuck. Gina's is second.
Todd’s and herbs hit pretty hard as well
That's because it's Olivia Wilde and Olivia Wilde is badass.
@@Gadzinisko damn i didn't know that was her, everything makes sense now
@The Phase she was herb's ex, not bojack
Seeing those last two back to back. The way she reaches towards her neck when he says “what the fuck is wrong with you”. That’s fucking brutal.
The Gina arc broke my heart. After playing bit parts on crap shows, she finally had her moment and it was stolen from her in an instant. I want a spin off of hers and Diane should be in it too. 💔💔💔
@@inflorire
Actually in the last episode when Bojack and Mr. Pb are talking at the restaurant you can see a bill board with Gina, Jill, and Todd’s ex(forgot her name)doing the movie Jill pitched.
@@slushdog1012 I like to think that Kelsey approached Gina herself after figuring out she changed after doing a show with Bojack. I am sure she would have offer her a safe environment to work regardless of who she is, but I think they could have talked about their experiences with Bojack nearly destroying their carreers.
Not related to the comment, but trans rights!
@@slushdog1012 oh shit, gina's fireflame. good for her!
I gotta say, the ones in seasons 1-3 were harder hitting. Season 5 had a good one, but hearing Herb, Charlotte, and Todd say it feels so raw and personal.
Those in season 5 and 6 also hit pretty hard imo
Sesaon 5 and 2 hit the hardest for me
I feel like the 1 Fuck being shifted towards Gina’s story is really well done and hits harder the more you look at it. Where before it’s said every time Bojack really hurts a relationship and then Bojack goes to physically, mentally, and emotionally traumatize Gina by strangling her (after having trusted him enough for to have a pretty sweet relationship I imagine is an extra knife in the wound beyond just being assaulted by a coworker, so it’s like every level of fucked), then the 1 Fuck stays with her because now Bojack is NEVER not hurting her.
Hambone Fakenamington i agree, but i feel like the impact of the word the moment you hear it is the most important, and the word is most impactful in the moment in seasons 1-3
I think the f word was supposed to symbolize a relationship with bojack that had been broken his friendship with herb, Penny, and Todd, and then his relationship with his mom, and then his girlfriend Gina idk what season 6 is tho maybe solidifying ginas idk because after that there relationships were never the same
That was rough... Ginas costar mirroring the same thing she said to Bojack
GJP I didn’t like that one because I liked the theory that the f bombs signify Bojack irreparably damaging a relationship so I didn’t even realize Gina’s co-star dropped the f bomb of the season
@@jmedina6625 Maybe it means there's still a chance for Bojack to redeem himself, perhaps he can mend his relationship with Hollyhock. Perhaps it's a tidbit suggesting Bojack is done destroying the lives of people around him.
Andrew Aguilar No it means that Bojack’s actions have long lasting consequences because Gina is still traumatized from the choking incident and it affects her career
@@jmedina6625 Yes of course they have lasting consequences, but he's done ruining lives, and he has to own up to his past.
@@jmedina6625 actually the theory holds up when you think about it: the last what the fuck is wrong with you is only said because of the result BoJack had in someone. BoJack is ruining lives without being even in the room.
I think the last F bomb is huge. It not only mirrors what Gina said to BoJack. It is showing that her reputation is becoming shattered due to directors and other actors believing she is difficult. Almost directly after this the director tells Kelsey that while Gina is a great actress she has become more difficult. Kelsey who had high expectations and thoughts of Gina takes back her initial decision to cast her in her movie. This is irreversible since she can’t get that role back.
but the sad thing is... she HAS become more difficult to work with. Her trauma does harm her and she harms the projects she is in because of it. Gina has become a hazard and an inconvenience to every single show or movie she works in. It's not that she was a false reputation, she had a true bad reputation because she is difficult to work with, but what people don't see is that it's the reason why she is so difficult to work with and the even sadder thing is that even if they knew it's irrelevant: she is difficult to work with and therefore she won't get many roles, and it's not a surprise, a movie or show takes a lot of time, money and effort, and she is not entitled to put projects in danger only because of her trauma.
Bojack horseman is a show that defends this idea, your trauma is not a free pass to be shitty.
Swift Swalow she is stuck though, she can’t get her trauma addressed because she believes by telling the public that Bojack did indeed strangle her on set, that would be all she is known for. She wants to further her career while pushing this real problem aside. And she’s right, I think. Scandal does tend to be the first thing you think of with some celebrities. Her Trauma is no excuse to be a shitty person to others, but I feel for her. There’s not much she thinks she can do. If she had it addressed privately that might help, but the risk of it leaking to the public eye might still be a fear ... poor Gina.
Swift Swalow shes going to give herself a bad reputation all because she doesnt want to be seen as a victim. Shes overcompensating and putting up defenses. I hope she can get some real help.
@@Minkerdoodle01 yeah, that's the thing, you feel for her. in the same way i feel for Bojack's life with shitty parents. I hope she gets help.
Well... SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE
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Gina got the role in the end.
I feel so bad for Gina. To have your life ruined by a traumatic event that you can’t even talk about because who wants to be known as the person Bojack Horseman strangled
Or guy who got ditched by a so-called friend. The the girl he took advantage of. The guy who got his trauma re-ripped open.
Gina was largely a victim of her own making.
@@alexanderhayward8505literally how, bojack strangled her, had he not been interrupted he probably would’ve killed her
@@alexanderhayward8505there is no way you think that Lmao😭
@@alexanderhayward8505are you a real person ☠️
Season 4 was probably the only time the F-Bomb was played for laughs.
I don't think it was a joke at all. The F bomb is always used when a relationship is damaged beyond repair. and by that point, it's clear that Bojacks relationship with his mom is way beyond salvageable. it hits less hard because it doesn't show the moment that their relationship broke, but it's still significant.
@@junipermoss4537 I think his relationship with Todd wasn't beyond repair.
@@jodgee2374 It's more that the F bomb marks the end of that relationship, at least it marks the end of that era. After the scene where Todd says "F*ck man, what else is there to say?" their relationship is never the same, Todd moves out and isn't as close of a friend as he was before to Bojack. And in the final episode you can see how although Todd doesn't have any ill feelings towards Bojack he knows that their relationship as friends can't carry on since it would be toxic for both parties.
I also think it gives a subtle hint that when Bojack's mom finally recognizes him, he would NOT use the F-Bomb like he is planning to. Because the F-Bomb for that season is already done.
Not really, the F word is used when a relationship is broken and Bojack's relationship with his mother has been broken for years but Bojack never admitted until then.
Bojack got the F in season 4. When he does, he says it to HollyHock, but means it for his mom, and ends up losing both of them within a year.
Ouch.
.........oof
He didn't truly lose Hollyhock until season 6 though. They stayed in touch and she was even really happy to see him when they met again. He only lost her when she heard about all the people he hurt and realized what kind of person he was
I always thought that Hollyhock wrote the F bomb in her letter to BoJack
Something tells me he doesn't miss his mother too much tho
@@sharkbyte1565 but remember the Becker analogy in Free Churro?
Season 4 is probably the least hard hitting, particularly in the moment as it’s played for laughs. But when you look deeper it has more meaning - Bojack planned to say “fuck you” to his mom, but when she finally recognised him at the end of Times Arrow, he comforts her, telling her she’s at the old Sugarman Place. It shows how Bojack developed and softened, and how even when he had the chance to tell his mom to fuck off, he comforted her instead, despite everything.
Fully agree. The ending of Time's Arrow is one of my favourite scenes in the whole show, and it gets so much of its power from the F-bomb we get here. The fact that it's played off for laughs almost makes us dismiss it, but its such a powerful concept (tearing into an aging woman with dementia in a moment of clarity) that it sticks with us and informs how we expect Bojack to act. When he's kind to her instead, it's the proof we need that Bojack actually can be redeemed. I've heard some people say she didn't deserve that kindness, but in a way, it wasn't for her. It was for him. He broke the cycle of hate.
One thing that many people don’t notice is Beatrice’s lucidity. After bojack describes the ice cream, Beatrice struggles to remember the taste of it (since she never ate ice cream before), looks around the room and realizes everything. But she goes along with it. And it hits so much harder.
@@earthquakewilliam7380 She did eat ice cream but only once
I thought it was season 6 was the least hard hitting
I still think Charolette’s hits the hardest
Like, all of them cut deep, and even deeper knowing that it’s such a symbol to the writers about someone’s relationship with Bojack being permanently damaged. And Herb’s and Todd’s both show so much they’ve lost for Bojack. But Charolette’s was so much more.
It wasn’t someone telling Bojack off, and it wasn’t just someone saying he’s a bad person. It’s the only time I believed someone would never have Bojack in their life again, because I 100% believed what Charolette said. She will kill Bojack if he threatens her family’s happiness again. Shit I believe that Charolette was more likely to kill Bojack than Bojack was to kill Gina.
I hope I can threaten as convincingly as her one day. What a queen
I mean, as far as Charolette knows, her (still 17) daughter was about to do the nasty with BoJack. She reacted like any sane parent would in that situation.
There's no other way to interpret that scene she walked in on. What the hell else were they doing sitting on the edge of a bed starting to undo their clothes? There's no way that wasn't what was about to happen and thank fuck she caught it before it started.
@@Torthrodhel what would a baby look like with a horse and a deer?
@@2kmichaeljordan438 well, in the show they've established through other characters experiences that all babies from interspecies relationships would be a species of one of the parents **not** a hybrid of both.
@@ollie2111 thank god
Anyone else hated Flip for telling them to keep the camera rolling instead of helping Gina?
I really wanted to beat the fuck out of him.😡
@@trelltastic67 Same here friend
I remember seeing this really hard hitting scene in a movie with a famous director, later I found out, it was basically like that. The actress was actually being attacked and crying because she didn’t know it would happen and they just filmed... I rewatched and Flip says and writes so many sexist things about women through the season. When he’s into the choking scene, it adds a whole level of ick to how he views women. Just... incredible writing (by the writers of Bojack, not Flip).
@@inflorire You mean because of his interaction with Diane? What did he say?
He does seem like the kind of aloof and egocentric person that likes to think of themselves as an artistic mastermind.
The kind that disregards other people's opinions and well-being in his pursuit of becoming a revered artist.
@@inflorire Also reminds me of what happened with filming Last Tango in Paris.
This is how you put cursing in your adult show. Take notes, Dexter writers. You don't need to have Debra Morgan say the f word every 5 seconds to make her edgy. Or to imply she has Daddy issues.
@Harold King because, plot twist, OP is the one with the daddy issues
Debra swearing doesn't make her a bad character. quite the opposite. it's how she copes with her gruesome job. It's when she stops swearing in the later seasons when stuff gets serious.
Off topic I know. But if you wanna talk about shows that are so liberal with swear words they lose all meaning, why not go for South Park?
@Harold King The writers should for future works. If they are still writing, anyway.
@@Neo2266. I haven't watched much South Park so I wouldn't know 0_o.
@@savannahm9943 How did this become about me? I'm too modest for that sort of attention, but I'm flattered you tried to project a simple gripe I had with a fictional TV show on me. Thanks!
The progression is interesting. The first fuck is from an old friend for an old wound. The second is from an old friend for a new wound. The third comes from a friend who’s not *really* upset about any one specific thing, but has reached his breaking point. Then the fourth is Bojack himself using it to vent the poison in him from the trauma his mother put him through. Five is from him directly traumatizing someone else. And then six, most tragically of all, is that someone else getting it for struggling with that trauma. The cycle continues.
ginas co star says the same thing she said to Bojack, and when he says this you can see gina touch her neck
B 17 aren’t you an observant one
When Todd says fuck it really hits
Aaron Paul's delivery deserves an Emmy - really incredible.
@@andrewkohler3707 he’s such an insanely good actor
To this day Todd's probably still hurts the most.
I'm living in so much suspense wondering who's gonna get it in season 6 part 2, I'm hoping for Diane.
I lowkey want it to be Mr. Peanutbutter just because I want to hear him say it
@@amelonnamedkate1400 woah i never even thought about Mr. Peanut Butter! That would be sick.
Imagine if it were Holly Hock, that might kill him
@@doglover625
It might just be here. The first half ends with her finding out that her brother is a real shit bag.
Horrible feeling that it's going to be Hollyhock to Bojack
i’m hoping mr. peanutbutter, just to give his character some depth
Bojack horseman is THE best netflix original prove me wrong.
Hmmmmm......Nope, you're right!
@Potato Man The second season of that was so good
@@anonymousperson5664 so true
I wanna say Violet Evergarden, but I don’t think it’s a Netflix original 🤔
personally, daredevil was better, but opinions are opinions.
i love how every fuck represents a way bojack is fucking up a relationship, but the last one is more so showing the long term repercussions of bojack actions. i love this show.
The chocking seen gives me goosebumps every time. Jesus Christ this show can get dark
the entire episode is dark as fuck and that scene scared the shit out of me
Fun fact: in Bojack the feminist he says: “don’t choke women” but ends up choking a women a couple episodes later.
I love how in season 6, the F bomb represents how Bojacks actions continue to have an effect on people lives. It’s not said by a main character, which I think actually makes it even more impactful, showing that Ginas life is permanently impacted by Bojack, which will continue to affect her and other people in her life, in this case, affecting the jobs of these essentially background characters, despite Bojack not even having any sort of a relationship with these people.
Charlotte's will always be my favorite. The growl in her voice when she says "don't you dare" always gives me chills. I wish we got to see more of Charlotte just based on Olivia Wilde's voice acting alone.
Its kinda crazy how that there’s barely any f bombs in this
I think it's brilliant. Every time the f bomb is dropped in Bojack, it actually feels like an emotional bomb. People and shows nowadays use it so often that it has less meaning. Words lose their meaning if they are overused, especially swears and slang. I'm not sensitive about cursing, I do it more than I should. But I think swearing is more meaningful when it is reserved for emotional moments, especially the heavy ones like fuck.
Right? I was so sure there were waaaay more. So I'm surprised it was used sparingly. Kind of amazing.
@@Joseph11OG definitely.
Rightt
they only say it once per season. its crazy cause they don't even curse that much either.
Todd's 'fuck' will always be my favorite. It's without a doubt the most emotional one. The others are angry, but this is just so natural and such a sad moment. He's just overwhelmed and. . . . what else is there to say?
I think there was also an F-bomb in part 2 of season 6: in the letter from Hollyhock
That is one of the smartest comments I have read in a long time =)
I'll be honest, I'd think so too.
I feel like the letter said something like “dear bojack, I never wanna see you again , I know you gave Pete’s girlfriend the booze. fuck you-Hollyhock”
@@waves2378 Man, I can definitely picture her saying all those things.
Yeah, i never considered that Gina scene to be the one. Maybe to portray and show that they didn’t forget the “f-bomb” tradition, they made that scene. But deep down, i know the f-bomb was in Hollyhock’s letter. He ruined her.
I think Todd's was the saddest because it wasn't even a angry F bomb it was just the fact that he was done and there was nothing else to say. Eventually they made up and were on speaking terms again but their friendship would never be the same.
Mr. Pb: I think he’s really strangling her,..
Director: what!, oh no,....turn the camera back on
Great job quoting the show
@@bramsteenhoek2674 thx, i try my best
lmao rami malek voicing it made it even creepier
They Should add one when i found Out the show was ending
God, poor Gina
Even though it’s a cartoon, that scene always makes me really uncomfortable
It's amazing how they even manage to subvert their own rules. My favorite is definitely the one by Bojack because of the pay off when he finally gets his chance. And I'll admit, I felt the one with Gina was just not up to their standards at the time but they even managed to give that a pay off that I didn't know I was expecting.
I think the one in season 6 is another subversion. Throughout part 1, Bojack is finally getting his life together. He's finally found solice and happiness with himself, at least a little bit. But despite that, he's still caused damage to people, and that damage still resonates with them. That's what the last episode is about. The "fuck" highlights this resonating damage, even though Bojack isn't in the episode at all. The fact that it's verbatim what Gina said to Bojack also emphasizes this.
No idea if they'll surprise us with a second "fuck" in season 6, but part 2 is REALLY going to be interesting.
@@uknownada It's interesting to note how when in S6P2, when the guy said "What the fuck is wrong with you?" to Gina, she kind of paused in shock for a second and grasped her neck. This is because that's the same thing she said to BoJack, when he strangled her. When the guy said this same phrase, the traumatic strangling moment came back to her via PTSD flashback, because that phrase was associated with the incident. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
charlotte’s hits the hardest for sure. the most angry, the most raw, the most cold and deep cutting like a knife.
I love it when Todd tells Bojack off.
Todd needed to do that and afterwards he really grew. I’m glad he broke free of Bojack’s toxic treatment.
Man, after watching this, and the whole series multiple times, there is really no defence for Bojack. He was an absolutely VILE person.
Herbs scene was when I realized Bojack Horseman was a good show Todd's scene was my favorite F bomb scene
Herb's was loneliness and regret. Charlotte's was rage and guilt. Somehow Todd's cut the deepest with his tone of immense disappointment and sadness upon realizing that he had to abandon his toxic best friend.Aaron Paul is an amazing (voice) actor, that scene is so convincing.
The episode where Bojack strangles Gina is still one of my favorite to this day, to see him slip deeper and deeper into his addiction, almost taunted by it via the image of the floating Bojack balloon, and then for it all to culminate and the line between fiction and reality is blurred as he finally ascends to come face to face with the root of his misery, how Todd put it in season 3: himself.
The music is hauntingly peaceful and the expressions on that horse’s face convey great pain, regret, and fear for what lies ahead. A beautiful moment of a beautiful episode of a masterpiece of a show.
At first, I didn’t like season 4’s f-bomb. But then, after watching “the old sugarman place” with a friend, they asked me “oh no, is this season about forgiving your abusive parents?” And that’s when it hit me. Bojack saying “fuck you, mom” was the shows way of shutting that idea down completely. Bojack will never forgive his mom, and that’s okay
I like how they dedicated the “fuck” in season 5 and 6 to Gina, it puts its own emphasis on how messed up she got after Bojack choked her.
Holy shit, the qoute "What the fuck is wrong with you" on season 5 and season 6 mirrors each other. Both Bojack and Gina is a product of the problems in the past that devours them in the present.
I don't know what i'm saying lol.
Oooh 😍
The Gina one is super intense. She refused to deal with her trauma and now she's just as damaged as Bojack.
I believe the show runners have said they use it every time a relationship ends for good.
Todd's and Gina's both hit me super hard every time.
But holy shit the voice actress for Charlotte NAILS it. If that woman threatened me like that, I'd crap my pants right on the spot.
Season 2 is, for me, the most impactful. I consider myself a pretty peaceful person. But being the mother of a daughter myself I felt that anger on a primal level.
I feel like Princess Carolyn's "Fish!" should be considered as at least an approximation.
I actually really like the last f bomb because it shows how Bojack affects peoples lives through the eyes of others and not just himself. Like, not only did he traumatize Gina, but now has in a sense turned her into another Bojack Horseman because she can’t live normally anymore, showing the lasting ripple effects.
Bojack saying it to hollyhock is the one that hit the hardest to me because instead of another character symbolically telling Bojack that their relationship has been permanently damaged by him, it's bojack telling someone who had such high hopes of him that he's going to disappoint her- and he did.
People saying the s4 f-bomb was for laughs but I don’t think so. It emphasizes the resentment bojack has for Beatrice and it caughts you off guard
Although it may not seem as meaningful at first, I feel like season 4's F-bomb was Bojack trying to shift the power dynamic by attempting to cut his mother out of his life the same way other characters keep doing with him. All the other F-bombs are used against him when he is undeniably the one at fault, but Beatrice is the only living person he can rightfully blame for some of the bad things in his life. Unfortunately, the dementia robs him of that satisfaction and when the plan backfires, he ends up actually having to take her home with him instead.
Todd saying fuck is so real. it gives me chills down my spine everytime.
God. Olivia Wilde’s delivery is positively scathing.
Hers is my favorite
what character does she play? gina?
@@cece6291 She plays Charlotte, in season 2.
Herb and Charlotte are my favorite scene, that shit really hit you when they drop the F bomb. For real lol
please make a version with every "nobody cares Todd" and "shut up Todd"
Clean up your shit Todd lol
It’s honestly impressive that they kept the pattern going of only using it once per season
Charlotte’s delivery of those lines are powerful. I get chills every time
i gained so much respect for mr peanutbutter after he said ' okay , that's enough ' and was the first to make a move to rescue gina ... that scene makes me feel ill!
Wow I never noticed that they saved that word for the biggest moments each season.. no wonder those moments stick out the most
The way Gina grabs her neck after he says "what the eff is wrong with you" just like she said to bojack was ooof very good stuff.
The season 6 ep. 8 flew over my head. What could this mean for the rest of the SEASON?!
season 2's F bomb hit the hardest for me because of the severity of the situation. Charlotte trusted Bojack, and so did Penny, and he fucked them over. horrible.
Kinda penny's fault tho
I feel horrible for Gina, even despite hiding what happened from the world, Bojack scarred her for life
the funniest thing about this video is the screenshot of info typed out in a notepad literally right over your editing program's text generator tab
Bro, that "wtf is wrong with you" from Gina always made me feel so disturbed
Only a show like bojack horseman would give so much significance to the word fuck
Its interesting in the second to last one, bojack traumatizes that girl and she says, what the fuck is wrong with you, and in the next one it is someone else saying to her what the fuck is wrong with you. I think this is notable because someone only does something so crazy that they are asked what the fuck is wrong with them only after they have been traumatized themselves. Bojack passed his disease onto her
I think the 6th season one was super good. Lots of people are it was "wasted" on Gina, but honestly I think it really shows on how Bojack really does effect his victims. 4th one could have been executed way better. Seemed more of a joke then an actual serious moment.
The 4th one is underwhelming at first but gets more meaning as the season goes on imo
Love how Bojack wanted to say "fck u" when his mom remember him, but instead, he is so kind with her.
the fact that what Gina's colleague says to her is the same thing she said to bojack after he assaulted her is an excellent cinematic parallel showing the extent of her trauma from bojack
Notice whenever someone says "fuck" to Bojack, that just cements the scenes where they sever ties with him.
That rule of the writers of using the F Word really makes moments stick. The Todd moment will always stick me, the perfect amount of delay, the thought of Bojack losing his best friend, and Bojack dropping it in S4 makes perfect sense given it's all about his mother and his relationship
"Life's just one big mental disorder, huh." - Mindful of the Disorder
unrelated but bojacks ears are kinda cute idk
In season 5 we saw Gina take all kinds of sexist treatment on set without ever complaining. In season 6 her costar thinks it’ll be cool to improvise a stunt, but she’d been assaulted by a male costar and became defensive. We get the same words she used thrown back at her. She was criticized harshly by the men on set for not being easy to work with. They can’t know what she’s been through because she put on a happy face through the Philbert ordeal. The secret she hid to save her career is destroying it. It takes a female director to break the cycle by looking past the “difficult” reputation.
This show has such amazing writing and so many great voice actors. This is definitely my favorite Netflix show.
Fuck every time I see those scenes with Gina I feel REALLY bad for her. She wanted to hide her literally almost being killed because she wanted a career where she would be herself, and not "girl that almost got strangled by star actor". And in the end it traumatized her so hard it gets in a way of her acting.
charlotte's "no" when she saw them kinda hit harder than the fuck
Season 4’s really fits into the wider pattern talked about in the Season 6 interview, doesn’t it? “Fuck you, mom, now I have the power!” All those failed, destructive relationships were just him trying to get revenge on his mother.
Props to Mr. Peanutbutter for being the one to finally step in (and be the first to realize!!)
I like how they use the f-work when Bojack irreversibly damages a relationship.
Todd’s hit the hardest for me, you can tell he feels so tired of Bojack’s bullshit. He just finally tells him to stop blaming his problems on everything except his shitty actions.
Season 2 hits HARD with that F Bomb
I think the last two hit me the most. How the cycle of trauma moved from Bojack to Gina, and how her career probably forever suffered because of it. She might not have been known as the person that Bojack strangled, but like someone else had said, she'll never get that movie role back.
it's really heartbreaking
Every „fuck” is a symbol of a broken relation between Bojack and a friend
Bojack Horseman really stands out from the adult cartoons we're used to see, where most of the humour is shock-based, it hurts me so much that it was so misinterpreted
while watching I was genuinely shocked every time they use the f word because even in a show full of curse words the f-bomb always amplified the moment and it felt so out of place hearing it come from characters who rarely/never use it the writers did a wonderful job on this show its one of my favorites
I just realized thet season 5 and season 6 are the same sentences and the way gina reaches out for her neck at the same time in both scenes makes it so much more intense
Every time you hear the word “fuck” in this show, it really hits you
The ones that stuck with me the hardest was first
Todd, hes this wacky side character who finally gets to tell Bojack hes whats wrong with him and that its almost exhausting.
And Bojack when he says hes going to tell his mom Fuck You. He has this elaborate scheme to get revenge... and he never gets it. She never truly stays lucid enough for him, and once she does recognize him he realizes the woman who was cruel to him is long gone. Senile and gone.
This Gina seems like a real piece of work!
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Am I the only one who has a huge love/hate relationship with Todd saying "fuck, man, what else is there to say?"
"You are all of the things that is wrong with you!"
i remember starting the show and hearing herb’s “get the fuck out of my house” and sitting there in shock for a sec. i didn’t realize how powerful it could be until that was the first time i heard it so far.
"Life's a bitch and then you die, right?"
"Sometimes. Sometimes life's a bitch and then you keep living."
The thing about Penny was
I thought it was a misunderstanding
Bojack didn't explicitly invite it, so I tried so hard to say that it had to be something else, more mundane
and 3 seasons later, he straight-up admitted it
and I realized I wasn't as awake as I thought I was
When he admits he had all intentions on sleeping with her .. that hit hard
Something amazing that the writers display in this show is that the word 'fuck' is MOSTLY used when Bojack destroys/is destroying a relationship he had with someone. First when fighting with Herb, then with Charlotte finding him w/ Penny, then with Todd, and finally Gina. I definitely feel like seasons 1, 2, 3, and 5 had the best and hardest-hitting ones. Season 4 was showing how deteriorated his relationship with his mom really was and how he lacked any form of forgiveness, and Season 6 showed how greatly he traumatized Gina in Season 5's F-bomb+the results of that. It's absolutely amazing the thought that the writers put into this show and I think almost everything in it is incredibly executed.
Herb's and Charlotte's delivery is just perfect.
Funny enough when I watched season 4 completely spoiler free.. when I heard the "fuck you mom" I didn't realize it was the big moment of cursing.. but when he made it seem like a serious proposal to forgive, and few bluntly says it.. I legit felt shock, you don't even notice it in the moment
In seasons 4 and 6, the f bombs didn't even feel real, the rest were almost kinda telegraphed, when the moment came, you kinda expected it, those 2 were the exception
Diane also says ‘I’m on fucking drugs’ in season 3 episode 5
Charlotte may be my favorite character in the show, but when her f-bomb was spoken, I felt that!