How the weight of a dart affects the throw
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Episode 3 of my equipment experiments and today I am looking at the barrel weight and how it changes the flight path of the dart.
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Spent 100's of dollars over years trying to find the right darts for me. A lot of trial and error from flights to tips to shafts to barrels. I miss those days, haven't played darts in 22 yrs. Was taught by people from the UK in pubs in the US. Love the game my favorite was cricket.
Get back into it brother. Best hobby to have
Me too! I love cricket!!! Seems like People outside of the US dont really play cricket. (Observation from DartScore App-online global). I played with a lot of darts early on too currently digging on some 24g RedDragon EVO Series tungsten steel darts with upgraded NitroTech (medium)shafts, standard flight.
I want to experiment with some kite flights and spinners next.
Appreciate these videos Matt, very informative. I know they take a lot of production but it really helps people understand the inner workings of the game. 👏 👏 👍🎯🇺🇸
Thanks a lot for this video! It was me asking that, looking forward to the next episodes!
Excellent video. Thank you for the time and effort you’re putting in to making these.
That was very informative Matt, I have darts ranging from 22g to 27g. And I've been trying different flights, and stems that work best with my darts and my throwing as well.
Great video Mathew and really good explanation.....at the end of the day for everyone there is one factor to think about and that is Gravity.....it takes time to find a weight of dart that suits your throw then shaft size and flight size to coincide with speed of throw I posted in your last video a very short explanation of stem and flight to throw speed and the effects.....Great Video....Stay Safe
Love videos that go into the physics of darts. Very interesting. So many players don't realize how important it is to match their dart barrel to a stem and flight that works with their throwing motion. One factor I'd like to see you examine is how the barrel length adds another dimension. A 23 gram John Lowe barrel (38mm long) will behave a lot different than a 23 gram Gary Anderson (52.8mm long). with the same stem and flight setup. Thanks for the video and keep them coming.
Excellent video, really liked the analysis and information given.
This is a fantastic video Matt, very informative 👍🏻🎯
Loving this series Matt. Cheers!
Having too many inconsistencies, I moved from 25-26g down to 23g, and now they also feel heavy. Looking at going down to 21-22g.
I've noticed the same thing - with the heavier dart, same stems and flights, they land flatter to the board (actually, now they land tail down for me, and I need to put shorter stems and/or bigger and/or thinner flights if I want them to land flat).
Loving these series!!!
Great stuff! I’m always in doubt to choose the 21’s or 23’s. Going to look at it just as you did. Thx!
As someone just getting into darts, I have to say this was one of the best in depth videos about the darts itself because of the detail with the examples on board entry , and also the footage. Normally I play in the pub with the darts there, and am now thinking of getting my own darts instead. Did notice that the heaver darts are more relaxing to throw, and bring me more accuracy, but that might be because my technique is still trash. Feel like starting with 25g/23g. Thanks!
I like 28g darts, they have so much more feel and add body to my throw, it's like they slow it down and allow me to really feel the dart leaving my fingers. It's like they give me more time in my throw.
Cracking video this, oddly mine are the opposite, my 2 potential match sets are either 24g Target ALX 02s or 22g Harrows Avantis, use a no6 on the Avantis and Ten-x (smaller standard) on the ALXs and yet the heavier darts stand up way more in the board despite the weight and smaller flight and I also find with the 22s I'm either 140 or 26 and the 24s more like steady 60s...
Loving these videos. Very informative 👍🎯
Very informative. I was particularly interested in the angles of the dart on entry. I used to play 3 days a week, just pub and club, until some weird type of dartitis got me. I think an accident I had on my right arm, and what I can only say as a massive increase in my dominant eye (left) just made it impossible to throw.
After practising a while left handed I realised I wasn't that bad. Joined back up in the pub league throwing left, even picked up a couple of 180 badges 😆 It's now more fluid, but at times unpredictable. I can have a cracking first dart and the second can be nowhere near, like opposite side of the board where I'm aiming! I've been thinking of getting heavier darts to try, but afraid of going down the path of throwing bad money over good 🤷🏻♂️
Great to see the technical side.
This type of vid is what made me finally subscribe. Thanks !
Welcome to the Edgar nation ... at last 😁🥳
I find that 24g darts work best for me. I tried 20g darts but it was like trying to throw a toothbrush at the dart board! Thanks for the great tips.
Good analogy 😂
Now I'm throwing my toothbrush to the dartboard to see if I like it.
This had me dyin haha@@damianleah6744
Very good video and i agree , cant be the same thing even if is just 1 g difference . Myself was went down from 23 to 21 g and its a huge difference . Of course should consider grip on dart , balance and set up . Funny thing at least for me is more consistent throw was have with soft tip darts with conversion points , full set up with medium pro grip stems and standard flights is aprox 19.4 g , using rear grip as position to throw . Darts was been Unicorn Taylors i think phase 3 . Last two , almoust 3 months using Mission Kronos m1 21 g with Condor Axe set up and no matter how much i like them got it strugle with throw and consistent release from same spot .
Great video mate explained perfectly realy helpful
Thanks, some things to look for.
I use a 20g, short stem, and pear flight. Because my barrels are almost 52mm, they are usually straight in the board. Sometimes, they are standing slightly up.
Great info. Edgar. I take it these dart were not front weighted. This is a fantastic topic you are covering cheers 👍
Love it. Need consistent throw to see real difference.
Great stuff Matt. I use 19.5g stiletto darts with small stems and small flights, the dart is fast to the board and lands at about 90°. I notice a huge speed difference with large flights, but not much in the angle of entry, same if I change to long stems, the angle changes slightly more vertical. Loving this series 👍
Thank you few more episodes to go still yet 😁
Not only should you look at the weight of the dart but also how the weight is distributed. Is it a front, middle or rear weighted dart and how does that affect the darts flight. I haven't done an analysis but I can say that I threw a front weighted bomb style dart for years until Darren at the Darts Review Channel sent me a set of Harrows Verve's in 23g several years ago. (Thanks again Darren). I was immediately amazed at the improvement in accuracy throwing a rear weighted dart like that. Obviously, they suit my throwing style and may not work for everyone but the point is that the weight distribution changed how my darts fly to the board.
This might sound stupid but how can you tell where the weight is distributed?
@@trckenergyy7757 A lot of times you can just look at the barrel and see where the weight distribution is. The Harrows Spina I throw now is fatter toward the rear of the barrel and it's rear weighted. Bomb shaped barrels are front weighted. However, darts with straight barrels you might have to balance it on something to see.
Weight distribution isn’t something I’ve found that is stated when buying darts, it’s a real shame as you’re just gambling when buying online in that regard.
@@darthhammer1475 that's why you support your local dealer
Awesome video that matt glad your back where have you been last week
Nice interesting video. I guess the one counter to the heavy darts requiring big flight is Taylor but TBF he was just ridiculous anyway
Thanks, great practical info.👍👍
Would love to see Searle throwing his from those angles. I know a lot of pros the dart comes out of the hand with the point going up and then drops into the target. I am also inconsistent with heavier darts.
Great advice again
This was a good one ... great info....
Very interesting stuff! 👍
Thankyou.... learn alot here.
Well done...your a Pro..😊
For me it was the barrel lenght that helped a lot
Great video
Thanks for another great video Matthew it is greatly appreciated. I started playing in September last year soon it will be a year and today I threw my 80th 180. It seems like I can adapt to almost any set hence I've hit a max with every set I own about 7-8 sets so far. I started with 24 grams for 2 months and they kept feeling too light. Bought a set of 28 g and threw my first max 2 months after playing steel tip for the first time. Then I went with several sets of 26 grams and it just feels right. I have a set of Loxley Robins 21 grams and it took me six bloody months to hit a max with them. If I buy a new set of 26g I hit a max an hour after getting them. I guess we are all different but I believe that when I throw lighter darts as hard as I usually throw I just can't hit the barn door. With 26 g consistency is there my average steadily rising almost 65 at the moment had several 14 and 15 dart legs 158 and 160 highest checkouts. All in practice obviously since I am only an amateur but I think that in order to throw lighter darts consistently well you have to have much more experience and finer touch...
dude youre story sounds like mine :D only difference is i was over 80 maximums after 4 months ;) but can agree to your theorie of its a smoother throw with the 26g compared to my same rythm and under 23g darts
Very informative as usual Matt 👍
I use 22g straight barrels (Keane Barry pixels) with Cosmo 18mm(short stems and Cosmo s2 pro flights (small super shape) does this seem like a consistent set up or am I too short and small with stems and flights?(they sit up in the board)
Great video. Nearly 25k subs
Not far to go 😁 be awesome when that lands
I’m looking forward to the point length video. I use a 38mm point myself I did use the 40mm point which is quite long but 38mm point is better for me as I like a long point myself so I can get some room in the treble 20 bed Matthew.
Agree with this Charlie 👍
Totally agree, I put a set of 34mm against 32mm in my set, completely unbalanced them!!!!
in a pdc match are you allowed to bring a device on stage ( phone calculator ect) ?
Yes Edgar
Excellent video 👍🏼 A lot of people will just look at the board and judge what’s right based on where the darts land, that’s very much the tip of the iceberg. I never did that when i played, I did film myself throwing in slow motion like you did here and look at the flight of the dart as the game isn’t played on the board solely, its played from the oche. A good story I have regarding dart selection involves a certain Phil Taylor. I played against the great man in February 2008, he just got beat by Peter Manley iirc. He was using the Sigma Pro dart at the time, 26 gram, I thought they looked a bit odd for him. Anyway, I sat with him and chatted for a good while and I had a set of 21 gram John Lowe darts and since his game was a bit all over the shop, suggested he’d give them a go to which he wasn’t particularly keen on the idea… probably put off by the small size and light weight of the barrel. At the time, Unicorn had a Golden Hero range out, darts of mostly World Champions with a Phil Taylor grip so I suggested trying a 24 gram John Lowe Golden Hero dart and if he liked them, ask Unircorn to simply make a 26 gram version of this. His wife had a set of these, I don’t know if they were 24 gram, but he loved them and Unicorn made him a 26 gram version called the Phase 5, the dart that probably saved his career.
So in a way you saved his career 😊
@@jelly8594 I suppose so in a way. More impressive however was when I saw him again 7 months later after he won the Matchplay with his Phase 5s, we met in the same venue and he remembered the exact seats we sat in and had that conversation. Now he probably wouldn’t recognise my face 😆😆
I think the next video is the crucial one. I have always thrown a heavy dart with standard flight and medium stem. I tried pear flights before with heavy dart...disaster. I throw really hard, point goes all the way in perhaps that is why heavier is suited to me but next video should show me if I have right combination. Sorry for long comment!!! @Hardcoredarts
Control for you and your style of play.
Thank you! I switched to a 26g...slim flight...and they land inconsistently at odd angles...a few times nice and flat like I like em... I am thinking I need a lighter dart...I love the way yours flew nice and flat (21g) but I probably don't have the same grip and action as you do...and I certainly haven't beat Gary Anderson with a 170 finish! I'll try lighting up my barrels and see what happens. Of course...an inconsistent throwing action could be a part as well...Maybe work on that.
Film over the shoulder in slow mo and see if the flight controls the dart after release or if it’s the dart that controls the movement. I would suggest a lighter dart tho not many flights can handle a 26
@@Edgartvdarts Thanks coach!
What reason would there be for my dart spiralling? I’m releasing correctly, throwing the same (as far as I know) each time but sometimes, and most of the times, my dart spirals, landing with the flight aiming to the left. When it doesn’t spiral then it lands totally flat, no angle at all.
I throw 22g darts with short shafts and standard flights. I’ve tried 24g and it still happens.
I’ve started off using 24g darts and find when going for doubles in too half of board I always fall below. Should I change to lighter weight? And if so would you recommend a 22g or 21g to try next please?
This man is born for TV
Do you think the manufacturers would have tested out these aspects of barrel weight, center of balance,shaft length, flight shape, etc. in a wind tunnel or some had some sort of aerodynamic engineering experiment done?
I know that the thrower influences the dart flight, but with such high stakes in today’s game and the high prices of some of the high end darts, I would think that a ratings system might be useful.
I also play disc golf. Discs are rated for distance, glide, turn and fade. Each disc manufacturer has a chart that shows the predicted flight characteristics for all of their discs and are matched with the characteristics of the type of thrower( ie.beginner, advanced)
Perhaps a rating system for darts could make darter’s purchasing selections a bit more informed. For example: if I throw hard, but want the darts to land upright I should choose a dart with a certain weight, center of balance, stem length and such. It can be fun to experiment with different flights, weights and stems but sometimes it feels like going down a rabbit hole that can lead to no new insights.
I use 12g darts, I don't know why but they feel so much better to me than any heavier darts
I use a:
23g barrel/tip
65mm stem(not measuring thread)
Big wing
I like em a lot. Are they noticeably large? Yes, but they’re still fun.
View on dimplex stems and flights
Use the same weight, inconsistent with short stems, changed to medium stems,same barrel and same flight and got the same angle on entry and tighter grouping. Not always the weight of the dart that makes the difference.
Hi i have a question, why does my 24 grams and 22 grams lay down the same way, same shaft and flights, while my 23 grams land higher?.i am skinny and getting tired fast, my muscles gets tired fast, should i try 21 grams or maybe 20?
thanks for this analysis. i think i should change my 26g darts to something lighter. i cannot find consistency with them at all.
Same as me...I used Searle's 32g and loved them but I don't like standard flights...so I got the 26g...but can't seem to get consistency with flat darts in the board...maybe lighter still?
So i dont have the exact specs, im new to the game. Started off with a 20g brass a friend gave me, and started to figure out i wanted a ringed grip, something a little heavier. Went with a set of 22g straight barrel tungsten and they had a harder plastic flight. I only have a few months under my belt but i saw a drastic improvement in my game for week and weeks. And of course alot of practice. I broke a stem on that set and replaced them with stems that were a couple mm longer and a cheaper ( but new ) poly flight. Now its causing the dart to completely tumble. Unless im throwing up towards the double, it almost totally at random. The point hits the the 20, or hits the wire of the 5 or 1. Soo ill hit a 1, the point is on the wire and the flight is totally blocking the 20. Vice versa for the 5. Last Saturday was probably the most frustrating and embarrassing outting ive had yet. Not saying some throws arent my own fault, but i never had them land in the board angled left or right like this. Had an experienced friend tell me stop experimenting with 22g and start at 26g.
I seem to be struggling with my entry of the dart at the moment! Sits far too high and makes the contact with the board really weak, any tips?? 0:41 0:42
I got 21gr and 23gr darts (same ones) i noticed that when i use more power on the 21gr's the flight becomes unstable.
Love the content. I am thinking a lot of this is a bit biased though, obviously, you will throw more stable (smooth) darts with 21, cause that's the weight you use. The rest is just not gonna be the same, as you don't use it that often, or at all.
I think you may have missed the point here. The point is not how I adjust to a dart it’s how the dart adjusts to me. Using the same set up and the same grip what’s the difference. 100% I could make changes to suit the dart but that’s not what this is about. All I would need to do is move my thumb placement and I could make it work the same way
@@Edgartvdarts Ok Matthew, that answer makes sense. Thanks for the reply. Planning to address all the details in the next videos? That would then make complete sense. I own bunch of sets, different weights, shapes. Probably making all the small adjustments, I don't even notice, which then makes me throw all the darts very similar way. Actually thinking of getting one of your 1on1 lessons to move any further. Stuck here right now.
Just saved me 150$ thank you 👍
Interesting
I think your grip needs to account for the change in weight. I think if you move your hand up just a bit it to re-find the proper balance, the heavier dart would not have that issue in it's flight path. Basically I think you're throwing the 23g dart like a 21g dart just because that's how you're used to throwing a dart.
I've noticed on the TV super-slomos sometime their darts tilt up-down-up-down through the air, can you comment on that?
Hi my i play in a league and i always hit the small 20 i use 23gram darts im tempted to invest in some other darts to try out
Hi Matthew. So, which gram darts would you recommend for beginners and those who want to improve their game? I currently have 24g dart sets. But I don't feel comfortable that it doesn't bend in the direction of the barrel. That's why I buy different barrel dart sets. To try and find what suits me. But the dart sets I buy come in different grams. What do you recommend?
I have a mechanical issue, which is the draw back. Its way to fast. Dart pulled past eye to side of my head. Horrible consistency and ugly darts. Tryed an experiment. Worked down to a 20g dart with a slow draw in front. Set up matched to angle of entry 0-20°. Seemed to help a great deal. Lighter dart didnt need as much force. I basicly just slowed and released to prevent the whip back rythm that killed me. So far so good. Not sure if this is the conventional wisdom. Most people say need more energy to push a lighter dart. Heavy darts track better. Go figure.
we need to see the dart player how he likes to throw his darts, if he throws so fast or he is muscular and have huge power in his arm. which will affect the choice of the weight .maybe if someone throw the darts faster than you the landing will vary
I use 80 tungestan 20 nickle jame harvey darts 25g
Good video Matt! Just a question. Folk have told me that tungsten content makes no difference but I’m fairly sure that higher tungsten content means that a manufacturer can make a slimmer denser dart. In my experiments denser darts seem to fall through the air quicker and glide to the board less well. Personally I think 90% tungsten is ideal. Any thoughts?
Yes exactly that the higher tungsten the heavier so means drill depth can be different changing the balance point or can have a thinner dart and keep the grams
What level do the other pros go too with speed measurement, slow motion video etc when it comes equipment selection. Is it trial and error or do they get technical?
Most the time we know what we need to be able to change the path of the dart. It’s about it’s flight if you look at my slow mo of my set up that’s what we are looking to achieve
@@Edgartvdarts could you do something like this with Stephen Bunting and his 12g Darts?
Will a lighter dart fly higher or lower ? Majority of my darts land low . My follow through not great as I suffered severe Dartitis in the past . Would this also make a difference ?
Proper struggling with my darts atm.. never been has bad and its playing with my noggin.. 🤯
Never forget it’s a game, enjoy it and it will all come back
@@Edgartvdarts thank you for saying that. Sometimes we get it confused. In every city around the world there is a guy walking around in deep distress about their dart game lol
i would have agreed on the explanation, but that is only in the perspective of barrel weight. you did not mention the grip of the thrower that compensate their throws in different weights of barrel. i could see that our hand is more flexible to the barrel weight. what i mean no matter how heavy the barrel, we will adjust to it depending on the strength of our whole arms. i have seen shorter or skinny people throws much heavier darts compared to much huge person. i have seen some people also that could not handle well any weight of darts. i mean could not control it. and if we will conclude that the darts will behave on landing the way we want based on their weights, yes at times and no at times. its still relies on the throwers control over the darts.
Loxelei is your darts company ?
I use 22g darts medium stem length and robson + standard flights. The flights seems to heavy, need more effort to control a dart I'm a front gripper.
Yes I do believe they are a very thick flight
Well you said payers with heavier darts use bigger flights ... how does that fit in with Phil Taylor who used 26g darts with Vapor S flights? I'm puzzled 😳
I also said we are not looking at or judging where the darts land purely the angles and flight of the dart ... keep up man 🤣
I am watching this great vidio because i was watching the pdc world championships and aomeone had a 34 gram. Dart
25 is perfect for me
I’m thinking 22g, bit with a slim flight
How do you do the slow motion?
You can either record slow motion on a phone or record with a hd camera and run it through a video editor
Never understood why John Lowe used pear shape flights then changed to standard flights ?
Believe it was something to do with playing in drafty air conditioned halls while in the US on tour. The standard flight stabilised the dart in the air & he ended up staying with it. Something like that anyway!
The oche seems further away as you get older, near have to aim at double 20 to get near the treble, when younger missed double 20 going for a single?
My darts going in at sideways angles
Release
Dont u compensate for the weight ?
Buddy said I had an unfair advantage cos I used 30g dart and he used 15. Easily grabbed his fairy darts outta his hand (ladylike grip) and threw a 180. Shut his mouth after that.
PS. Trashed him 10 legs to zero.
bad volume
Good video Matt @- also have you lost weight ??
Yes 😁 lost about 10 pounds but put nearly 4 back on in muscle mass 💪💪💪
@@Edgartvdarts Darts is a fatties' game. Players who lose weight always get worse. You need to gain weight to move up the rankings!
John Lowe threw brass lumps,,,,,
love these kinda a videos from you bro!! but jeezo get a better camera even an iphone camera will be clearer than this on the slowmo sections
Send me your bank details and I’ll issue you a full refund 👍
In terms of dart weight there are too many variables. Stance, angle of trajectory from hand, aim etc. To get a true read the mechanics need to be the same throughout the action. I understand what are saying however believe it’s flawed.
Your right I played for years ?
Probably best not to play with two different weights of darts then !
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no volume bummer
If u an throw then u a throw, pick a dart stick to it, adjust ur throw to suit
I was going to mention whether you compare a parabola or linear trajectory. However it doesn't look like you can produce a linear trajectory. Unlucky!
the thing i really dont get about darts, is that you buy a set, and that set itself will not be good, because its either too heavy, too long or short etc, especially when you also buy a set from a pro, it should already be perfect for dart.