I have several old A 20 inch rides, each just a little bit different. I have an 18 and a 17 I really love, too. Getting a good contrast between two is the trick: sometimes they'll sound good on their own, but the pitches clash against each other or against the hi hats. It's really hard: the room plays a role, too. Something I hadn't considered much until now: a 20 on the left side. No law says you have to play an 18 on the left, or even cymbals of two different diameters.
Cameron Fitzgerald I went and bought one after watching this and it sounded nothing like in the video haha. Luckily I returned it haha. Heed his advice! Try before you buy!
Another tip that guided me into my recent drum kit setup is “There is no cymbal that is exclusively meant for Jazz, or Rock. There are just cymbals. It’s up to the drummer to bring their sound to the equipment they have.” For instance, I play everything from Jazz, to Stoner Metal. But the cymbals I choose to use are typically associated with Jazz & Fusion, because I just like the way they sound. That said, That Overhammered ride, and the Kerope are my favorites!
i simply CANNOT comprehend why you don't millions of subscribers. from the other content i've seen on ur channel, you are a SUPER good drummer, and ur videos are super high quality and almost feel like informative short films lmao keep it up, PLEASE do not stop my man
I’ve been playing drums for many many years, and everything you said about rides especially is so true. The other thing that drives me crazy is snare drums. I’ve had so many different snare drums in my life, it isn’t funny. For many drummers the search for the perfect ride and cymbal set up never ends.
If you can, get the 22" Istanbul Agop 30th Anniversary ride. That should end your search. Funny thing is, it looks dull and tarnished, like a piece of junk, but the sound is awesome. I'd like to hear it from a distance, as suggested by another poster. It came with a nice medium-brown bag. Very classy.
Some other tips, from and "old guy:" Play the cymbal from the bell to the edge and listen for a "sweet spot." Bring a friend, stand about 10' away and listen to the cymbal while your friend plays it. A cymbal will sound very different to the audience than it does sitting behind it. When you play the bell, play it with the "neck" (between the bead and shoulder) of the stick to bring out the full sound. Crash and ride the cymbal. Ask if you can return it within a day if you don't like it. What sounds good in a store, may not sound as good in your house or while playing with the band. Bring some other cymbals that you'll be playing with the ride with and listen to hear if it's a complement or a contrast and which one you like. Don't listen to too many cymbals at one time. Go from cymbal to cymbal, strike it a couple of times then, return to the ones that immediately caught your attention. BTW, excellent video. Dream & the first Agop are my choices.
It looks like everyone loved the Dream cymbal... and I did too...But that Lenny White cymbal really caught my attention the most ... Beautiful sound...Thanks for sharing these.
The Jeff Hamilton Bosphorus is my favorite sounding one, and I like the warm undertones. I actually use a 22" Istanbul Jazz ride as my main ride cymbal, yet it sounds a bit darker in pitch than the one played on this video. I definitely agree with the philosophy of trying as many cymbals as you can when selecting a ride. I believe I tried around 200 rides before I ultimately decided to go with my 22" Istanbul, and it turned out to be a selection for me.
That Bosphorus ride is definitely one of my favorites too. Warm undertones and super controllable. Its one of the two cymbals in my current setup! Thanks for watching!
Hey man, great video. You’re doing the drumming world a great service! My fave on this was surprisingly the Dream Dark Matter, followed by the 20” Bosphorus ride, even though I’m primarily a Zildjian guy. Thanks!
Great cymbal nerd vid. Weight, profile, taper, bell are my priorities aside from diameter. But really first priority is the musical setting/group you envision and sound and then the intervals with your other cymbals to make a cymbal orchestra. I bring my arsenal when selecting cymbals from now on. Expensive hobby...
Thanks for the advice and comparison. To me there are several important considerations. The sound of cymbals is very different sitting on the kit vs listening in an audience. Some cymbals with broad low washes sound great on the kit but are simply lost in a mix or large acoustic venue; say with a big jazz band. Also some cymbal brands have very wide variability in their cymbals. Dream Bliss is an example. My thoughts are that I would only buy a Dream cymbal from a local seller, as you suggest, where you have many to select from. If you simply have to buy cymbals on line and don't want to hassle with returns, I find Paiste Cymbals to be quite consistent. Personally I like the Zildjian Constantinoples and Sweet K line up as they sound good at the kit, and from the audience. That said, I own Paiste Masters, Signatures, Zildjian As and Ks, Meinl, Istanbul Mehmet that I select from depending on whether the gig is ensemble or big band, Jazz, Funk or Rock/Pop.
I studied from a great S.F. drummer when I was young named Jim Zimmerman. When I asked him what to look for in a ride cymbal one of the things he told me is that you should be able to get a deep full crash out of it. If it's too heavy you'll never be able to do that. This is coming from a real journeyman working drummer who at that time viewed the ride as the workhorse of the kit. Today we have so many choices and tend to segregate sounds, but in the old days cymbals were inconsistent and often hard to find , such as the original K's, and you needed to obtain a cymbal that could do a lot. For me shoulder crashes and the rate of decay and controllability is very important too. Does it sound good playing simple light quarter notes as well as busy more forceful patterns? How does it sound when you really max it out like a full swell with mallets. I like your comment on bringing your own sticks; you could actually bring your whole stick bag and see what brushes or mallets sound like on it.
Thank you Julian for all these vids and so much praises for your top level playing and taste. You are a great musician, yet with humility, you share your doubts on cymbals, the quest for « the » perfect ride cymbal every jazz drummer dreams of. To my ears, the Dream dark matter and the bosphorus 20 hammer would be the choice in a small group context and you can imagine them in situation. It is fun to see that you seem to search a 22’’ « old K-ish » grail but some of your prestigious 22s remain in the bag : I live the same thing after 35 years of playing :-)). I sold a 22 dark complex ride, I didn’t liked a 22 medium thin low cons, ecc. I actually I play an Istanbul Mehmet 22 jazz ride (2670g) from the 2000’s and 2 Bosphorus, a 22 Hammer and a 19’’Hammer, both picked at the factory with the help of Ibrahim. They sound great, even when recording, but gave not an end to the quest!
let me start out by saying wow 20 ride cymbals thats impressive on its own. i,m a new drummer this month be a year playing and i found it funny to myself that ive been playing on a paiste alpha 20 in power ride that i feel sounds amazing loud crisp and clean, and after listening to your 20 cymbals only made me like mine more witch kinda sucks because im been looking to up grade my ride cymbal this last month. So my advice to someone wanting to a new ride cymbal is sometimes a low end cymbal can be the best cymbal for your ears... ThanQ 4 Sharing your impressive ride collection... smiles and keep on drumming
Flat rides sounds so specific ! I have a 20'' Paiste 2002 Black label flatride, and it sounds not so different from the Zildjian you've played at the end! My fav one are by far, the Dream Dark Matter and the Bosphorus China with the rivets, they sounds insanely good ! I think i'll try some Big chinas !
Having just bought some new cymbals, I did all of what you recommended before seeing this video. The fact that I'm a very old fart who has played drums for over 55 years may have had something to do with it. Your advice is spot on!!!!!!
I think a lot of this is useful stuff, but also keep in mind that you’re not really gonna know what it sounds like until you’re in the practice space or at the gig with the live band. Most drum shops or music stores have a pretty fair return policy, especially if you’re buying new. Just buy it and go check it out. Don’t sweat it.
This is so true. I had some second thoughts about a couple of cymbals but once I played them live and heard them in the mix, it was perfect and I could rest assured.
Awesome, loved doing the blind test on this vid. Personally I loved the Istanbul agop JR , but they all are so different it’s great to hear the comparisons ..
Man second one of your videos I've watched and I'm dying for you to crash into these. On the edge Haaard, and shoulder shank right in the middle like bill stewart, would tell these awesome cymbals whole story.
@@JulianArcher Yeah definitely going to try to find one that I can play first. You’re so right about that statement, I’ve bought at least one jazz ride that I was not happy with because I didn’t truly know how it sounded. As is a lot of jazz drummers’ dreams are, I hope one day I’ll find my way into the VJO, going to temple U next year and this video definitely made some great points. At the end of the day though, the most important component is HOW you play that cymbal.
love those first two Zildjians. That Dream ride sounds great too--reminds me a lot of my Sabian HH Pandora ride (which is the perfect dry ride to my ear). I think the overhammered K Con was my favorite
I like is the most is a Dream Dark Matter flat ride. Try using UFIP, they are fantastic cymbals. Natural Series and Experience Series they are the best for jazz.
I’m currently at 9 rides lol still searching. Great video they all have their own thing going on the kerope sounded nice with the rivets I have a 22 medium it’s a beautiful cymbal they are great I got a 18 and 20 on the same day bought one went back bought the other too ha haaaa. Fn cymbals the dark matter sounded really nice too kind of liked em all except the flat 18 but I’m just not a huge flat ride fan. I’m new to the channel can’t wait to check out your videos. I’m currently about to pull the trigger on a Nicky Moon ride but I have to order it and hope I like it I wish I could play the actual cymbal. I’ve ordered one once before and yup didn’t like it at all but live and learn. Like you said about matching the sound from a recording I once brought my headphones played the song I liked the ride sound and went around to find the closest sounding one it’s a great way to find what your looking for. Also you can bring your other cymbals to make sure the new one goes with it. I have an 18 k custom dark crash and a 19 k dark thin and they almost sound identical it’s crazy so I don’t really use them together because they don’t go well etc. Happy drumming and great collection bro 🥁🔥
I like your 'ear.. the flat top didn't sound that good.. BUT may I suggest that you take a secondary ride/crash with you when you shop- do they play well together? and your stick advice is RIGHT ON!!
The Dark Matter really stands out, followed by the Zildjian Kerope. Are you supposed to leave the wing nut and felt off the top of the ride cymbal or was that so you could switch them out fast for this video? I don't know how you recorded this but I felt like I was 2" away from each cymbal and could hear everything going on--not something I"d expect on the internet, let alone RUclips. The ringing overtone from the Istanbul Agop made me think some unknown machine was on in the room with me--I had to pause the video to figure out if it was something in my house or in you video (it was in the video!). Julian, thank you for another exquisite video and for daring to share your misadventures mis-spending money--I've done that with various things and felt like a knucklehead afterwards. I don't feel so bad now.
Love both of those two cymbals. I actually usually don’t have the felt and wing nut on my cymbal stands when I play. I’ve never had a problem with cymbals falling off, and I feel that the felt/wing nut combo can actually deaden the cymbal at times. I’ve definitely had my fair share of cymbals I bought and didn’t enjoy, but it’s just part of the journey! I’m really glad you enjoyed the quality of the video, I put lots of time into trying to make it look/sound good!
It's the end of 2022 and I am just finding this great video! So if you still have that Epoch or the Kerope and you want to sell them let me know!! Those are my favorites!
I liked the dark matter and the Zildjian flat ride, which surprised me. The absolute worst one was the Bosphorus China type ride, sounded like an old beat up metal garbage can lid. My favorite that you don’t have or didn’t demonstrate is my Istambul Agop 24” special edition jazz-Tony Williams ride, 24” 2676 grams, not bad for 24”, so versatile for a 24” jazz cymbal. I use it for all types of music along side my Paiste 19” crash ride. Great video, thanks, very helpful!
Great comparison! The 20" Jeff Hamilton is my favourite, 18" Zildjian Flat Ride sounds horrible - it's almost like the absence of the bell removes all the overtones too.
If I had to pick one it would be that Kerope. And I like that Agop and the 20" Bosphorus.Those three are in the zone for me. I don't go for too much garbage can, but for that sound that Dark Matter is outstanding.
Yeah my Favs are my Istanbul Agop OM series 24” and my Tony Williams Tribute 22” from Istanbul Mehmet. You have to play before you buy and rivets won't make it better my fav china is the Agop Signature 22” the only cymbal I bought w/o playing but my guy at Memphis drum shop was able to match it perfectly to my tastes. This guy was spot on Great Vid!
The Epoch and A Flat Ride are my favorites. I usually prefer larger flat rides (I have a 20" K Custom that is the only cymbal I have that I don't wish was any different), but your flat ride is great. It must be great with a piano or guitar trio. I like the Epoch for the extra weight it has, though it still sounds much lighter than it is. But I like the stick definition, and people I'd played with tend to love more stick definition. I've come to really like heavier ride cymbals for jazz, based on the sounds that drummers like Jack DeJohnette and Paul Motian have played (the 602 Dark Ride) or Jon Christensen with his extra-heavy old K. Dark, heavy cymbals can be amazing. I don't have any cymbals like those, and nobody makes anything quite like them now.
@DrummerFlex - I love love love those 70’s 80’s ECM records of DeJohnette, Motian and Christensen - their flat rides and heavier traditional rides… I have a 2520g 22 K Con med thin high that with a few pieces of gaffers tape sounds close to that dreamy heavy ride sound but I’m on a so far fruitless search for a flat ride that I like. @Julian Archer - great content, man - keep it up!
@@craigwilliams501 I have a 22" K Con Medium Thin High too. I've experimented with tape a lot, and it's in the same weight range as yours. With tape it has a nice ping but lacks body.
very nice video and your tips are spot on! the stick has the most important effect on the sound. Having said that i am not surprised most of your cymbals are left in the bag, the majority didn't sound good at all to me. I like the 20" Dream the best.
The Overhammered and Dark Matter are my choices. There was a shop where the owner had an upstairs cymbal room. So concerened about stick marks the owner would give a little felt mallet. so I'd sneak in a stick in my coat and play until I heard him running up the stairs. As you said, you can't by it until you hear it.
@@JulianArcher Glad you got a laugh. Still have my Istanbul K that I bought in 1978. Given war broke out then the store manager said this is end of the line. Asking why he answered that the are making bullets now. Paid $110. Priceless. Thanks for the videos.
@@petersimonson9145 cool story. What war was it? I tried to look up some info on wars in 1978 but I can only find afganistan/Soviet war in 1979. I'm a fan of history so I was just curious. Thanks.
I like the Dark Matter, the K Con, and although I might not use it in a jazz context, that A flat ride has some zing that would work well in funk or hip-hop.
Thanks for your nice video. Great cymbals. I have Istanbul Agop Turk Jazz Rides, a 22 with a steel rivet and a 20 without. Great for small band, acoustic jazz. An Agop Signature 22 Medium Ride, a Paiste Traditional 22 Light Ride and a Formula 602 Modern Essentials 22 Ride for big band and electric music. A Zildjian Kerope 19 Crash Ride, a Sabian HHX 21 3-point Ride, a Paiste Masters 22 Swish with 6 steel rivets and a Formula 602 Modern Essentials 22 China, also with 6 steel rivets.
Sorry, but I'm going to contradict a little. Most of the cymbals that I have tried at the store and bought I have sold finally. It has been a kind of a stressing situation choosing a cymbal that way, especially for me. I don't try to make this as a general rule, but the rides that I have kept the longest, have come to me from the stores that have sound files on their sites. That way I could listen to the nuances for every day of the whole week before choosing. The feel of the cymbal is important of course, but you have to adjust your playing technique anyways when playing. The snare, individual toms, hats, rides, multipurpose cymbals and crashes all posses a different feel. That's just my thoughts after choosing and playing cymbals after several decades. Under that time, my taste for the ride sounds has evolved and changed. So, the cymbal that fullfilled my needs 15 years ago might not be my favorite sound anymore. It's all okay to move on and not to think that the cymbals that you have chosen are going to be your final ones. Even if you took the most painstaking process to choose them.
Getting old I guess, just like the cymbals I use, lol. Old school K Zildjian Istanbul (which will bankrupt you on either Ebay or Reverb) intermediate stamp, Paiste Formula 602 preserial, finally the EAK Zildjian to round out my arsenal for jazz applications. I usually end up with the heavier ones w/stiffer surface as I get better rebounds because I am more the light touch technique from being corrupted by the old schoolers, lol. I have many other models for rock applications, A Zildjian, Z Zildjian, (not planet z), UFIP Bionic, & Paiste 2002. I really liked that Kerope you were playing, and the Dream could pass as a China application. There was a couple others but my short term is questionable (?) LOL but not as much as the present President. Yes, cymbal collecting is an expensive hobby, although 90% of my collection was purchased used, & many ppl think I'm nuts for such a hobby.. Ahhhhhh, they don't understand drummers and our love for our girls who shine and sing when properly stimulated, lol. And, buying cymbals keeps us out of the taverns, lol, and the other girls, like a bad tempered wife, are happy for that. Is good to see the craft being passed to you younger guys and yourself, which the girls will continue to be in good hands. Keep swinging Bro.
478 subscribers only? Mate, what the heck your channel is awesome and your videos are very well produced. I see a lot of potential in this channel! Can you do a video on how to approach a jazz drum kit? I've recently transitioned from a fast tempo rock perspective where I was looking for loudness only. In jazz I see more dynamics in playing, more subtle details, etc. How would you tune your drums? Which drumheads would you use? etc? I think that could be very interesting! ps: if you're into motorcycle do the RN 40 in Argentina someday ;)
Thanks so much Iván!! Makes me really happy to read such a kind comment! These are all awesome suggestions, I’ll write them down. I’ll have to check out RN 40, sounds awesome!
@@JulianArcher Wow! That's amazing! Gotta love the Chinese stuff. They have been making cymbals for a long time! I disvovered that Wuhan has some awesome crash rides as well nowdays!
I just came across this video a couple hours after having that exact experience - opening a brand new cymbal I had shipped and it was just…. bad. I went straight to my local shop and found a ride I like way better for half the price. Doh! I guess it goes that way sometimes.
Every piano player deeply appreciates a great ride cymbal ,even if they're not awear of it, because nothing can cover up the best sonic qualities of a piano more than a lousy ride cymbal.
For some reason the cymbals on my favourite recordings have a clearer ping and higher pitch than all the jazz ride cymbal demos I hear. I don't know whether this is to do with how they were recorded or is because there he been a trend towards darker heavier rides. Any thoughts?
Back in the day, the majority of the cymbals coming out of the K. Zildjian factory were on the heavier side. Drummers had to search for the thinner ones, once that became the fashion. As a result, some drummers just had to make do with what was available. I'm sure some of those heavier cymbals made it onto recordings of that era. Especially Jack DeJohnette. He seemed to favor a more definitive cymbal.
Thank you! I love that cymbal too, it has been my main ride for a few years. Got a great deal on that zildjian flat ride, hasn’t been played a ton, but it’s a really interesting cymbal.
Man I just purchased some 15” menial byzance dual hi hats and I have a Sabian 22” monarch ride , what do you think would be a great cheap and affordable crash cymbal ? Great content btw man, Love your videos !
Thanks Kevin! If I were you, I would go to your local drum shop and try to play some of the used crash cymbals they have. You’ll often find a really great sounding cymbal for cheap
@@JulianArcher Quick Little update ! I was able to get a deal on a new Dream Bliss 17” paper thin crash for $120 on the Facebook market place ! Also , Love your videos man, please make more content ! It brings hella joy to me as a musician and drummer ! Love it bro 🤟🏾❤️
The original páiste 602 rides are my favourite. I play a vintage UFIP ritmo myself. I like your agop ride the most in this video. I think you use Vic firth jazz 8a sticks?
The dream is great ! I’m looking for a ride that has some nice sizzle yet has a explosive almost gong like quality when hit hard. Would you say the dream flat earth would be the best for that ?
I wish there was an easy answer, but I would go play a few different dreams, and see if any of them have the qualities you’re looking for before you purchase one! :)
Great video. I noticed you’re editing on Final Cut. I know because of the glare along the edge of the stills to which you applied the Ken Burns effect. It,s a glitch in FC. If you want to solve it simply resize your stills to 101%.
I like this guide youve put together. Really well thought out and very understandable advice for one to consider for the sake of their wallet and their time searching. If I may add, since my ride collection has now reached 7, (I guess 8 cause I have a dream bliss crash ride 20 but I never ride it) I'd say to not be afraid to think outside the box as to what kind of sound to achieve. These days, fuckin dudes are tearing it up using jazz rides on their math rock albums or using an earth ride from reverb (3000g+) for jazz. At times, the timbre can be a limitless journey if you believe. Like wearing a pair of sunglasses you think you can't pull off, you can if you try. Some cymbals I hear that would be built for an application just don't do it for me, I feel. So yeah, don't buy in to jargon and marketing, go with what your heart says and if it is unconventional, fuck it. Also, shop old/discontinued if you can. Lots of cymbals *cough* zildjian paiste *cough* just aren't made the way they used to, so def take advantage of of the used market out there. Great job!
Yes it was! The epoch series 22.5 is actually based directly off that cymbal. Lenny White developed it, and he was a good friend of Tony Williams! Fun fact, Lenny White played my Epoch 22.5 and loved it!
Was lucky enough to pick up #72 of Sabian's Jack DeJonette's Shimmering 75 ride. Saw it used on GC website and took a chance. Warm, articulate but still crashable and a great bell. Never selling it
When buying a cymbal I wil listen to music without drums on my phone (for instance some tracks from Christian McBride - Conversations with Christian), earbuds in. This way I get more of an idea on what an audience might hear.
In that case, I think the best thing you could do is either find used cymbals to play, or checking out websites like mycymbal.com or cymbalsonly.com that have sound files of each individual cymbal. Hope that helps!
Julian Archer I was thinking of getting the dream dark matter flat earth but 22 inch, does it ever bother you that there is little to no bell? Or is it less of a concern
It has a small bell, and it doesn’t bother me at all. It actually sounds pretty good! I would definitely recommend playing it with your sticks before you buy it to make sure you like that specific cymbal. Good luck!
make sure to play cymbals not just with your own sticks, but with your own hearing protection. only you know exactly how your preferred earplugs/headphones/in-ears change the sound of what you hear. same reason it's a good idea to bring your preferred studio headphones with you when trying out hardware synths.
what microphones you use and where, and how much compression you usually prefer is another critical factor, but it's hard to really bring that with you. best you can do is find demos that you think sound pretty close to how you have your studio set up. (i'm aware this video is more geared towards people who play live, but almost everything is also applicable to choosing cymbals for the recording studio.)
anyway my favourite ride is my 22" sabian omni. it's got an extremely wide dynamic range and transitions seamlessly from riding to crashing, which makes it super easy to match the energy level of the song at any given time. the crash part also occupies a super high frequency range that isn't really occupied by anything else in a mix, sitting above even things like the jangle of a bright acoustic guitar or the high end of a supersaw; the only thing it would ever really collide with is an un-EQ'd tamborine. saves a lot of hassle worrying about carving notches into the compressed overheads/rooms.
My life changed when I realized on many of the old records what I thought were old Ks were actually old As.
Yes! There’s lots of incredible sounding old A’s!
I feel that!
Right. An old friend of Jeff Hamilton urged I keep that old 20” A in play. I did gigs at CBGB with in the 70s! It won’t replace my jazz rides, though.
The older As had a darker sound .
I have several old A 20 inch rides, each just a little bit different. I have an 18 and a 17 I really love, too. Getting a good contrast between two is the trick: sometimes they'll sound good on their own, but the pitches clash against each other or against the hi hats. It's really hard: the room plays a role, too. Something I hadn't considered much until now: a 20 on the left side. No law says you have to play an 18 on the left, or even cymbals of two different diameters.
That 20" Dream "Dark Matter" is an amazing sounding cymbal.
Thank you, I definitely love that one too!
By far my fave of the group too
I thought so too it surprised me how much I liked it
Cameron Fitzgerald I went and bought one after watching this and it sounded nothing like in the video haha. Luckily I returned it haha. Heed his advice! Try before you buy!
Mavao lol I’ve learned the hard way as well!!
Another tip that guided me into my recent drum kit setup is “There is no cymbal that is exclusively meant for Jazz, or Rock. There are just cymbals. It’s up to the drummer to bring their sound to the equipment they have.”
For instance, I play everything from Jazz, to Stoner Metal. But the cymbals I choose to use are typically associated with Jazz & Fusion, because I just like the way they sound.
That said, That Overhammered ride, and the Kerope are my favorites!
and I suspect not very good at any of these forms.
hypocrite @@jonblachley1911
i simply CANNOT comprehend why you don't millions of subscribers. from the other content i've seen on ur channel, you are a SUPER good drummer, and ur videos are super high quality and almost feel like informative short films lmao
keep it up, PLEASE do not stop my man
Thank you so much! Reading comments like this is why I do it!! I’ll keep the videos coming, and thanks again for the support! :)
I’ve been playing drums for many many years, and everything you said about rides especially is so true. The other thing that drives me crazy is snare drums. I’ve had so many different snare drums in my life, it isn’t funny. For many drummers the search for the perfect ride and cymbal set up never ends.
Thanks for saying that, Chuck! It definitely seems to be an endless search!
If you can, get the 22" Istanbul Agop 30th Anniversary ride. That should end your search. Funny thing is, it looks dull and tarnished, like a piece of junk, but the sound is awesome. I'd like to hear it from a distance, as suggested by another poster. It came with a nice medium-brown bag. Very classy.
Some other tips, from and "old guy:" Play the cymbal from the bell to the edge and listen for a "sweet spot." Bring a friend, stand about 10' away and listen to the cymbal while your friend plays it. A cymbal will sound very different to the audience than it does sitting behind it.
When you play the bell, play it with the "neck" (between the bead and shoulder) of the stick to bring out the full sound. Crash and ride the cymbal. Ask if you can return it within a day if you don't like it. What sounds good in a store, may not sound as good in your house or while playing with the band. Bring some other cymbals that you'll be playing with the ride with and listen to hear if it's a complement or a contrast and which one you like. Don't listen to too many cymbals at one time. Go from cymbal to cymbal, strike it a couple of times then, return to the ones that immediately caught your attention. BTW, excellent video. Dream & the first Agop are my choices.
Great observation. Btw I like agop the best and maybe dark matter after.
Tone on the 20” Jeff Hamilton is crazy. Can almost hear the snare comping along when you demo it
It looks like everyone loved the Dream cymbal... and I did too...But that Lenny White cymbal really caught my attention the most ... Beautiful sound...Thanks for sharing these.
That epoch is definitely one of my favorites too. I used it as my main ride for a long time!
@@JulianArcher I can see why! I might have to get me one
The Zildjian k con 22 overhammered is the best sounding of the ones you demonstrated.
Love that cymbal too! Was my main ride for a few years, need to break it out again!
I agree. That was my favorite out of this bunch!
Yes, to my ears, it sound very close to the Dark Complex Thin Ride (first run), which was developped with Bill Stewart
The best to you.
The Jeff Hamilton Bosphorus is my favorite sounding one, and I like the warm undertones. I actually use a 22" Istanbul Jazz ride as my main ride cymbal, yet it sounds a bit darker in pitch than the one played on this video. I definitely agree with the philosophy of trying as many cymbals as you can when selecting a ride. I believe I tried around 200 rides before I ultimately decided to go with my 22" Istanbul, and it turned out to be a selection for me.
That Bosphorus ride is definitely one of my favorites too. Warm undertones and super controllable. Its one of the two cymbals in my current setup! Thanks for watching!
Hey man, great video. You’re doing the drumming world a great service! My fave on this was surprisingly the Dream Dark Matter, followed by the 20” Bosphorus ride, even though I’m primarily a Zildjian guy. Thanks!
Those are the two I play all the time!! Good taste :)
definite plus one for these two beauties.
Great cymbal nerd vid. Weight, profile, taper, bell are my priorities aside from diameter. But really first priority is the musical setting/group you envision and sound and then the intervals with your other cymbals to make a cymbal orchestra. I bring my arsenal when selecting cymbals from now on. Expensive hobby...
It is quite an expensive hobby lol!
@@JulianArcherdo you know if jazz drummers of the 50s had more fine cymbals easily found and affordable?
The kerope and the Jeff Hamilton ride were the best! Really dug the dream one too!
Thanks Sigge!! Those are definitely some of my favorites too!
The Dream dark matter was so good to me, it sounded really sweet, I'm gonna look for the 22" model and if I can play it. Really nice video ! subed.
Thanks so much for subscribing! That’s definitely one of my favorite cymbals too!
my favorite too
If anyone is curious... I had one and it weighed around 2150 grams. They sound really great and are reasonably priced.
Christopher Bloom awesome, thanks man!
I've got the 22"... it is really fun to play. it has a great crash too
Thanks for the advice and comparison. To me there are several important considerations. The sound of cymbals is very different sitting on the kit vs listening in an audience. Some cymbals with broad low washes sound great on the kit but are simply lost in a mix or large acoustic venue; say with a big jazz band. Also some cymbal brands have very wide variability in their cymbals. Dream Bliss is an example. My thoughts are that I would only buy a Dream cymbal from a local seller, as you suggest, where you have many to select from. If you simply have to buy cymbals on line and don't want to hassle with returns, I find Paiste Cymbals to be quite consistent. Personally I like the Zildjian Constantinoples and Sweet K line up as they sound good at the kit, and from the audience. That said, I own Paiste Masters, Signatures, Zildjian As and Ks, Meinl, Istanbul Mehmet that I select from depending on whether the gig is ensemble or big band, Jazz, Funk or Rock/Pop.
I studied from a great S.F. drummer when I was young named Jim Zimmerman. When I asked him what to look for in a ride cymbal one of the things he told me is that you should be able to get a deep full crash out of it. If it's too heavy you'll never be able to do that. This is coming from a real journeyman working drummer who at that time viewed the ride as the workhorse of the kit. Today we have so many choices and tend to segregate sounds, but in the old days cymbals were inconsistent and often hard to find , such as the original K's, and you needed to obtain a cymbal that could do a lot. For me shoulder crashes and the rate of decay and controllability is very important too. Does it sound good playing simple light quarter notes as well as busy more forceful patterns? How does it sound when you really max it out like a full swell with mallets. I like your comment on bringing your own sticks; you could actually bring your whole stick bag and see what brushes or mallets sound like on it.
I came across this video while researching a new cymbal purchase. You’ve inspired me to be more patient in my search.
I’m really glad I could help!! I wish I had someone tell me to do that at an earlier stage!
Thank you Julian for all these vids and so much praises for your top level playing and taste. You are a great musician, yet with humility, you share your doubts on cymbals, the quest for « the » perfect ride cymbal every jazz drummer dreams of. To my ears, the Dream dark matter and the bosphorus 20 hammer would be the choice in a small group context and you can imagine them in situation. It is fun to see that you seem to search a 22’’ « old K-ish » grail but some of your prestigious 22s remain in the bag : I live the same thing after 35 years of playing :-)). I sold a 22 dark complex ride, I didn’t liked a 22 medium thin low cons, ecc. I actually I play an Istanbul Mehmet 22 jazz ride (2670g) from the 2000’s and 2 Bosphorus, a 22 Hammer and a 19’’Hammer, both picked at the factory with the help of Ibrahim. They sound great, even when recording, but gave not an end to the quest!
let me start out by saying wow 20 ride cymbals thats impressive on its own. i,m a new drummer this month be a year playing and i found it funny to myself that ive been playing on a paiste alpha 20 in power ride that i feel sounds amazing loud crisp and clean, and after listening to your 20 cymbals only made me like mine more witch kinda sucks because im been looking to up grade my ride cymbal this last month. So my advice to someone wanting to a new ride cymbal is sometimes a low end cymbal can be the best cymbal for your ears... ThanQ 4 Sharing your impressive ride collection... smiles and keep on drumming
I like that 20" Jeff Hamilton, it really wobbles. And also liking the 18" flat ride.
Flat rides sounds so specific ! I have a 20'' Paiste 2002 Black label flatride, and it sounds not so different from the Zildjian you've played at the end! My fav one are by far, the Dream Dark Matter and the Bosphorus China with the rivets, they sounds insanely good ! I think i'll try some Big chinas !
Having just bought some new cymbals, I did all of what you recommended before seeing this video. The fact that I'm a very old fart who has played drums for over 55 years may have had something to do with it. Your advice is spot on!!!!!!
I really appreciate you saying this man!! Thank you so much!
Love those Dream Dark matter cymbals, especially the mini bells!
I think a lot of this is useful stuff, but also keep in mind that you’re not really gonna know what it sounds like until you’re in the practice space or at the gig with the live band. Most drum shops or music stores have a pretty fair return policy, especially if you’re buying new. Just buy it and go check it out. Don’t sweat it.
This is so true. I had some second thoughts about a couple of cymbals but once I played them live and heard them in the mix, it was perfect and I could rest assured.
This is my first time watching this channel. Amazing content. ❤
Just bought my first, a 20” bosphrpus 1600 era ride 🫡
finally, I've been looking for this vid for ages. Thanks!!
The Zildjian over hammered ride and Jeff Hamilton ride; those would be my go-to cymbals of this set.
So many great tips and well done! As a fellow jazz drummer you hit all the good points.
Thanks Manny! I’m glad you enjoyed it, and I appreciate you saying that!!
Awesome, loved doing the blind test on this vid. Personally I loved the Istanbul agop JR , but they all are so different it’s great to hear the comparisons ..
Very cool, the blind test is killing! Thanks Stephen!
Man second one of your videos I've watched and I'm dying for you to crash into these. On the edge Haaard, and shoulder shank right in the middle like bill stewart, would tell these awesome cymbals whole story.
That bosphorus hammer series China sounds more like Mel Lewis’s China than the one zildjian made to specifically sound like Mel’s China. Damn
I very much agree!! Jeff definitely tried to model it after Mr. Lewis’ cymbal!
@@JulianArcher Yeah definitely going to try to find one that I can play first. You’re so right about that statement, I’ve bought at least one jazz ride that I was not happy with because I didn’t truly know how it sounded. As is a lot of jazz drummers’ dreams are, I hope one day I’ll find my way into the VJO, going to temple U next year and this video definitely made some great points. At the end of the day though, the most important component is HOW you play that cymbal.
The 20" Dream "Dark Matter" is my favorite! It sounds amazing!
Love that cymbal! Playing it right now!
love those first two Zildjians. That Dream ride sounds great too--reminds me a lot of my Sabian HH Pandora ride (which is the perfect dry ride to my ear). I think the overhammered K Con was my favorite
Love that overhammer too! Thanks Tyler!
Dang.... never thought about hitting cyms with my own sticks... easy yet super sage advice!
Definitely an easy way to get closer to how the cymbal will sound with your setup! :)
I love that Zildjian 18” flat ride
I like is the most is a Dream Dark Matter flat ride. Try using UFIP, they are fantastic cymbals. Natural Series and Experience Series they are the best for jazz.
Honestly you have complicated this way too far, 2 things you need to know are 1 the stick and 2 the sound when you play it.
Very informative and it's nice to have it laid out like this. The endless search......
Thanks again George, glad you enjoyed it!
Dude I’m in love with that Dream Dark Matter Ride now but I keep remembering what you said about try before you buy haha. Gotta fight the temptation!
Haha I understand the feeling! Good job not caving in lol!
I’m currently at 9 rides lol still searching. Great video they all have their own thing going on the kerope sounded nice with the rivets I have a 22 medium it’s a beautiful cymbal they are great I got a 18 and 20 on the same day bought one went back bought the other too ha haaaa. Fn cymbals the dark matter sounded really nice too kind of liked em all except the flat 18 but I’m just not a huge flat ride fan. I’m new to the channel can’t wait to check out your videos. I’m currently about to pull the trigger on a Nicky Moon ride but I have to order it and hope I like it I wish I could play the actual cymbal. I’ve ordered one once before and yup didn’t like it at all but live and learn. Like you said about matching the sound from a recording I once brought my headphones played the song I liked the ride sound and went around to find the closest sounding one it’s a great way to find what your looking for. Also you can bring your other cymbals to make sure the new one goes with it. I have an 18 k custom dark crash and a 19 k dark thin and they almost sound identical it’s crazy so I don’t really use them together because they don’t go well etc. Happy drumming and great collection bro 🥁🔥
I like your 'ear.. the flat top didn't sound that good.. BUT may I suggest that you take a secondary ride/crash with you when you shop- do they play well together? and your stick advice is RIGHT ON!!
The Dark Matter really stands out, followed by the Zildjian Kerope. Are you supposed to leave the wing nut and felt off the top of the ride cymbal or was that so you could switch them out fast for this video? I don't know how you recorded this but I felt like I was 2" away from each cymbal and could hear everything going on--not something I"d expect on the internet, let alone RUclips. The ringing overtone from the Istanbul Agop made me think some unknown machine was on in the room with me--I had to pause the video to figure out if it was something in my house or in you video (it was in the video!). Julian, thank you for another exquisite video and for daring to share your misadventures mis-spending money--I've done that with various things and felt like a knucklehead afterwards. I don't feel so bad now.
Love both of those two cymbals. I actually usually don’t have the felt and wing nut on my cymbal stands when I play. I’ve never had a problem with cymbals falling off, and I feel that the felt/wing nut combo can actually deaden the cymbal at times. I’ve definitely had my fair share of cymbals I bought and didn’t enjoy, but it’s just part of the journey! I’m really glad you enjoyed the quality of the video, I put lots of time into trying to make it look/sound good!
You've got great taste my man. Didn't expect to ever like Zildjians but you showed me the way haha - that kerope is pretty sweet.
Haha awesome!
It's the end of 2022 and I am just finding this great video! So if you still have that Epoch or the Kerope and you want to sell them let me know!! Those are my favorites!
I liked the dark matter and the Zildjian flat ride, which surprised me. The absolute worst one was the Bosphorus China type ride, sounded like an old beat up metal garbage can lid. My favorite that you don’t have or didn’t demonstrate is my Istambul Agop 24” special edition jazz-Tony Williams ride, 24” 2676 grams, not bad for 24”, so versatile for a 24” jazz cymbal. I use it for all types of music along side my Paiste 19” crash ride. Great video, thanks, very helpful!
Great comparison! The 20" Jeff Hamilton is my favourite, 18" Zildjian Flat Ride sounds horrible - it's almost like the absence of the bell removes all the overtones too.
If I had to pick one it would be that Kerope. And I like that Agop and the 20" Bosphorus.Those three are in the zone for me. I don't go for too much garbage can, but for that sound that Dark Matter is outstanding.
Yeah my Favs are my Istanbul Agop OM series 24” and my Tony Williams Tribute 22” from Istanbul Mehmet. You have to play before you buy and rivets won't make it better my fav china is the Agop Signature 22” the only cymbal I bought w/o playing but my guy at Memphis drum shop was able to match it perfectly to my tastes. This guy was spot on Great Vid!
Thanks Ramon! Those are all great cymbals!
Julian Archer hey thanks a lot . Time for how to choose a snare drum vid
The Epoch and A Flat Ride are my favorites. I usually prefer larger flat rides (I have a 20" K Custom that is the only cymbal I have that I don't wish was any different), but your flat ride is great. It must be great with a piano or guitar trio. I like the Epoch for the extra weight it has, though it still sounds much lighter than it is. But I like the stick definition, and people I'd played with tend to love more stick definition. I've come to really like heavier ride cymbals for jazz, based on the sounds that drummers like Jack DeJohnette and Paul Motian have played (the 602 Dark Ride) or Jon Christensen with his extra-heavy old K. Dark, heavy cymbals can be amazing. I don't have any cymbals like those, and nobody makes anything quite like them now.
@DrummerFlex - I love love love those 70’s 80’s ECM records of DeJohnette, Motian and Christensen - their flat rides and heavier traditional rides… I have a 2520g 22 K Con med thin high that with a few pieces of gaffers tape sounds close to that dreamy heavy ride sound but I’m on a so far fruitless search for a flat ride that I like. @Julian Archer - great content, man - keep it up!
@@craigwilliams501 I have a 22" K Con Medium Thin High too. I've experimented with tape a lot, and it's in the same weight range as yours. With tape it has a nice ping but lacks body.
Just bought a 22" 1960 zildjian avedis swish knocker off of Ebay today, I'm so excited for it!!! Great comparison, what do you think of your kerope?
The 22" Istanbul was nice. Thanks for the video!!
very nice video and your tips are spot on! the stick has the most important effect on the sound. Having said that i am not surprised most of your cymbals are left in the bag, the majority didn't sound good at all to me. I like the 20" Dream the best.
So true! in time all these things will reveal themselves. great video.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
The Overhammered and Dark Matter are my choices. There was a shop where the owner had an upstairs cymbal room. So concerened about stick marks the owner would give a little felt mallet. so I'd sneak in a stick in my coat and play until I heard him running up the stairs. As you said, you can't by it until you hear it.
Those are two of my favorites as well. That’s a great story Peter, I had a good laugh! Have a good one!
@@JulianArcher Glad you got a laugh. Still have my Istanbul K that I bought in 1978. Given war broke out then the store manager said this is end of the line. Asking why he answered that the are making bullets now. Paid $110. Priceless. Thanks for the videos.
@@petersimonson9145 cool story. What war was it? I tried to look up some info on wars in 1978 but I can only find afganistan/Soviet war in 1979. I'm a fan of history so I was just curious. Thanks.
I like the Dark Matter, the K Con, and although I might not use it in a jazz context, that A flat ride has some zing that would work well in funk or hip-hop.
Thanks for your nice video. Great cymbals. I have Istanbul Agop Turk Jazz Rides, a 22 with a steel rivet and a 20 without. Great for small band, acoustic jazz. An Agop Signature 22 Medium Ride, a Paiste Traditional 22 Light Ride and a Formula 602 Modern Essentials 22 Ride for big band and electric music. A Zildjian Kerope 19 Crash Ride, a Sabian HHX 21 3-point Ride, a Paiste Masters 22 Swish with 6 steel rivets and a Formula 602 Modern Essentials 22 China, also with 6 steel rivets.
Do you have any advice for someone who doesn't have drum shops to go to in real life and has to buy online?
Istanbul 22" for me! I dunno, istanbul cymbals have this smoothness to them that i really like
That overhammered K. Con. reminds me of Art Taylor's ride on Giant Steps.
Sorry, but I'm going to contradict a little. Most of the cymbals that I have tried at the store and bought I have sold finally. It has been a kind of a stressing situation choosing a cymbal that way, especially for me. I don't try to make this as a general rule, but the rides that I have kept the longest, have come to me from the stores that have sound files on their sites. That way I could listen to the nuances for every day of the whole week before choosing. The feel of the cymbal is important of course, but you have to adjust your playing technique anyways when playing. The snare, individual toms, hats, rides, multipurpose cymbals and crashes all posses a different feel.
That's just my thoughts after choosing and playing cymbals after several decades. Under that time, my taste for the ride sounds has evolved and changed. So, the cymbal that fullfilled my needs 15 years ago might not be my favorite sound anymore. It's all okay to move on and not to think that the cymbals that you have chosen are going to be your final ones. Even if you took the most painstaking process to choose them.
It’s great that that method works for you! I appreciate you being honest. Best of luck cymbal hunting in the future!
Getting old I guess, just like the cymbals I use, lol. Old school K Zildjian Istanbul (which will bankrupt you on either Ebay or Reverb) intermediate stamp, Paiste Formula 602 preserial, finally the EAK Zildjian to round out my arsenal for jazz applications. I usually end up with the heavier ones w/stiffer surface as I get better rebounds because I am more the light touch technique from being corrupted by the old schoolers, lol. I have many other models for rock applications, A Zildjian, Z Zildjian, (not planet z), UFIP Bionic, & Paiste 2002. I really liked that Kerope you were playing, and the Dream could pass as a China application. There was a couple others but my short term is questionable (?) LOL but not as much as the present President. Yes, cymbal collecting is an expensive hobby, although 90% of my collection was purchased used, & many ppl think I'm nuts for such a hobby.. Ahhhhhh, they don't understand drummers and our love for our girls who shine and sing when properly stimulated, lol. And, buying cymbals keeps us out of the taverns, lol, and the other girls, like a bad tempered wife, are happy for that. Is good to see the craft being passed to you younger guys and yourself, which the girls will continue to be in good hands. Keep swinging Bro.
478 subscribers only? Mate, what the heck your channel is awesome and your videos are very well produced. I see a lot of potential in this channel!
Can you do a video on how to approach a jazz drum kit? I've recently transitioned from a fast tempo rock perspective where I was looking for loudness only. In jazz I see more dynamics in playing, more subtle details, etc. How would you tune your drums? Which drumheads would you use? etc? I think that could be very interesting!
ps: if you're into motorcycle do the RN 40 in Argentina someday ;)
Thanks so much Iván!! Makes me really happy to read such a kind comment! These are all awesome suggestions, I’ll write them down. I’ll have to check out RN 40, sounds awesome!
20 in Dream Dark matter was my favorite! Sounded great!
Great video dude love the advice on buying cymbals
Thanks Ryan! Glad you dug it.
the Zildjian 22 kerope and the dark matter were the standouts to me
Same here
Yeah that Kerope not as good as one I heard on display at a convention. Love that thin Constantinople
I have a Sabian HHX prototype 21 inch that sounds similar to the dream dark matter.. love that smoky roar.
Great video man! So hard to find a really great jazz ride!!! The Dream was surprisingly good. Also cheaper then all those big names I assume?
Thanks man! Yes, it’s definitely less expensive! I got that ride on an awesome deal for $180 brand new at PASIC!
@@JulianArcher Wow! That's amazing! Gotta love the Chinese stuff. They have been making cymbals for a long time! I disvovered that Wuhan has some awesome crash rides as well nowdays!
I just came across this video a couple hours after having that exact experience - opening a brand new cymbal I had shipped and it was just…. bad. I went straight to my local shop and found a ride I like way better for half the price. Doh! I guess it goes that way sometimes.
Every piano player deeply appreciates a great ride cymbal ,even if they're not awear of it, because nothing can cover up the best sonic qualities of a piano more than a lousy ride cymbal.
I liked the Zildjian 22" K Kerope, the Istanbul Agop 22" Jazz Ride, and the Dream 20" Dark Matter Ride the best.
For some reason the cymbals on my favourite recordings have a clearer ping and higher pitch than all the jazz ride cymbal demos I hear. I don't know whether this is to do with how they were recorded or is because there he been a trend towards darker heavier rides. Any thoughts?
Most jazz rides are generally a bit darker and lighter than your “standard” ride cymbal! Hope this helps!
Back in the day, the majority of the cymbals coming out of the K. Zildjian factory were on the heavier side. Drummers had to search for the thinner ones, once that became the fashion. As a result, some drummers just had to make do with what was available. I'm sure some of those heavier cymbals made it onto recordings of that era.
Especially Jack DeJohnette. He seemed to favor a more definitive cymbal.
@@danlc95 Funnily enough Jack DeJohnette is who I've been listening too lately.
Really great video - loved the Dream dark matter, I’m guessing the Zildjian flat ride was not a favourite?
Thank you! I love that cymbal too, it has been my main ride for a few years. Got a great deal on that zildjian flat ride, hasn’t been played a ton, but it’s a really interesting cymbal.
@@JulianArcher From the lighting, looks a bit like an A custom, maybe one of the older A constantinoples?
Man I just purchased some 15” menial byzance dual hi hats and I have a Sabian 22” monarch ride , what do you think would be a great cheap and affordable crash cymbal ? Great content btw man, Love your videos !
Thanks Kevin! If I were you, I would go to your local drum shop and try to play some of the used crash cymbals they have. You’ll often find a really great sounding cymbal for cheap
@@JulianArcher Quick Little update ! I was able to get a deal on a new Dream Bliss 17” paper thin crash for $120 on the Facebook market place ! Also , Love your videos man, please make more content ! It brings hella joy to me as a musician and drummer ! Love it bro 🤟🏾❤️
The original páiste 602 rides are my favourite. I play a vintage UFIP ritmo myself. I like your agop ride the most in this video. I think you use Vic firth jazz 8a sticks?
The dream is great ! I’m looking for a ride that has some nice sizzle yet has a explosive almost gong like quality when hit hard. Would you say the dream flat earth would be the best for that ?
I wish there was an easy answer, but I would go play a few different dreams, and see if any of them have the qualities you’re looking for before you purchase one! :)
Great video. I noticed you’re editing on Final Cut. I know because of the glare along the edge of the stills to which you applied the Ken Burns effect. It,s a glitch in FC. If you want to solve it simply resize your stills to 101%.
Great tips, Julian. What camera were you recording on at the time for this video?
Thanks!
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Hey John! This was filmed on the Sony A7iii
@@JulianArcher grazie!
I like this guide youve put together. Really well thought out and very understandable advice for one to consider for the sake of their wallet and their time searching. If I may add, since my ride collection has now reached 7, (I guess 8 cause I have a dream bliss crash ride 20 but I never ride it) I'd say to not be afraid to think outside the box as to what kind of sound to achieve. These days, fuckin dudes are tearing it up using jazz rides on their math rock albums or using an earth ride from reverb (3000g+) for jazz. At times, the timbre can be a limitless journey if you believe. Like wearing a pair of sunglasses you think you can't pull off, you can if you try. Some cymbals I hear that would be built for an application just don't do it for me, I feel. So yeah, don't buy in to jargon and marketing, go with what your heart says and if it is unconventional, fuck it. Also, shop old/discontinued if you can. Lots of cymbals *cough* zildjian paiste *cough* just aren't made the way they used to, so def take advantage of of the used market out there. Great job!
Wow, your kerope has an amazing bell sound. I'm jealous
Tony William's 60's Nefertiti cymbal was 2700g
Yes it was! The epoch series 22.5 is actually based directly off that cymbal. Lenny White developed it, and he was a good friend of Tony Williams! Fun fact, Lenny White played my Epoch 22.5 and loved it!
What type and size Dave?
@@Ohm51 It was an old Istanbul k. Cindy Blackman had it for a while. I have some photos of it somewhere
Honestly most intrigued by the dream dark matter ride. If you get tired of it let me know!
Will do, but I will warn you it is also one of my favorites! :)
love that Bosphorus 20" Jeff Hamilton Hammer at 1656 grams!
Thank you for the flat ride demos; they are the red haired stepchildren of demos, The Dream was very surpriaing😃
Man, that DREAM Dark Matter ❤️💯
Was lucky enough to pick up #72 of Sabian's Jack DeJonette's Shimmering 75 ride. Saw it used on GC website and took a chance. Warm, articulate but still crashable and a great bell. Never selling it
So far, the best I've found is a 19" Pre-Split Istanbul Crash-Ride (a greenie). I liked your 20" Bosphorus.
When buying a cymbal I wil listen to music without drums on my phone (for instance some tracks from Christian McBride - Conversations with Christian), earbuds in. This way I get more of an idea on what an audience might hear.
The dark matter was in my ears the best of them all!
It’s a great cymbal!!
I agree.
Great upload...good info, nice editing and demos!
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed!
What do you recommend if you don’t have any drum shops within thousands of miles from you?
In that case, I think the best thing you could do is either find used cymbals to play, or checking out websites like mycymbal.com or cymbalsonly.com that have sound files of each individual cymbal. Hope that helps!
What do you think of the Paiste rides ?for jazz ? Thx
For jazz, I like them all except for the last 2.
Great video! Which rides out of them would you say are your favourites?
Probably the 20” dream, kerope, and bosphorus!
Julian Archer I was thinking of getting the dream dark matter flat earth but 22 inch, does it ever bother you that there is little to no bell? Or is it less of a concern
It has a small bell, and it doesn’t bother me at all. It actually sounds pretty good! I would definitely recommend playing it with your sticks before you buy it to make sure you like that specific cymbal. Good luck!
Julian Archer Thanks man I’ll definitely try and have a look at one when I am able to.
i used to have one of those 18inch A flat ride. an old made in canada one. lost it due to a fire, wish i could find another one someday
Listen to Alan Cummings here. He knows about choosing a great ride, lol! All kidding aside, this was a very useful video for us drummers.
Thanks Thomas!! Lol
make sure to play cymbals not just with your own sticks, but with your own hearing protection. only you know exactly how your preferred earplugs/headphones/in-ears change the sound of what you hear. same reason it's a good idea to bring your preferred studio headphones with you when trying out hardware synths.
what microphones you use and where, and how much compression you usually prefer is another critical factor, but it's hard to really bring that with you. best you can do is find demos that you think sound pretty close to how you have your studio set up. (i'm aware this video is more geared towards people who play live, but almost everything is also applicable to choosing cymbals for the recording studio.)
anyway my favourite ride is my 22" sabian omni. it's got an extremely wide dynamic range and transitions seamlessly from riding to crashing, which makes it super easy to match the energy level of the song at any given time. the crash part also occupies a super high frequency range that isn't really occupied by anything else in a mix, sitting above even things like the jangle of a bright acoustic guitar or the high end of a supersaw; the only thing it would ever really collide with is an un-EQ'd tamborine. saves a lot of hassle worrying about carving notches into the compressed overheads/rooms.
Good tips for non-jazz cymbals too, cheers!
Awesome! Have a good one!
The kereope and dream black!